Who's the Worst X-Parent?

[worstblogever]

Come to think of it... the X-Folks really have had a bad track record when it comes to pregnancies and kids.

Scott & Jean ship Cable into the future to keep him safe.
Scott keeps forgetting Rachel exists. (Mind you, she's an alternate reality daughter...)
Monet and Terry fighting the Hulk why possibly pregnant?
Nocturne's mysterious pregnancy and "miscarriage" (wink, wink)
Banshee having Black Tom kidnap Siryn and not knowing about her.
Black Tom Cassidy for raising Siryn as a criminal, and assuring she was an alcoholic by her early twenties.
Wolverine forgetting he has a son, then not knowing he has a cloned daughter. (Wolverine may also have a kid in the Savage Land)
Colossus might have a bastard kid he left in the Savage Land.
Magneto having his wife run out on him while pregnant for Pietro & Wanda... then they're both raised by a cow lady at Wundagore. (and so on, until today.
Magneto gets another mention for not realizing he fathered Polaris until she's in her twenties. (and he doesn't seem to know who her mom is, either.)
Mystique abandoned Nightcrawler.
Mystique tried killing Graydon Creed.
Mystique shoots Rogue. (Man, three strikes, Raven.)
Sebastian Shaw and Shinobi pass the hours as father and son by trying to kill each other and gain leadership of the Hellfire Club (some people just play ball in the yard, Sebastian.)
Unus the Untouchable never acknowledges Unuscione.
Beak and Angel Salvadore pop out WAY too many kids, only one is spoken of now. (Did they give the other ten up for adoption? Because I don't see a sitter while they're trolling around in New Warriors.
Xavier had his students go back in time to kill the crazy son he never mentions before the kook killed his greatest rival in the past.
Moira MacTaggart called up an old flame to "help" her with her son, and they end up killing him.
Cable let his son get corrupted by his archnemesis, then had the guy who keeps trying to bone his Mom stab him a lot.
Mastermind has two abandoned daughters trying to kill each other.

Anyone who secretly has a fantasy of having an X-character as a parent has a deathwish. Their track record is terrible. The real reason there's only 198 mutants left is shoddy parenting, and improper precautions during pregnancies. Have at it, everybody!

[Slant]

Don't Colossus and Wolverine have kids lying about in the savage land?

[worstblogever]

Don't Colossus and Wolverine have kids lying about in the savage land?

Actually, I just found out about Piotr's savage land "happy accident" myself two days ago, and forgot to include that in the original post. But again... X-Men are lousy parents.

CPS is gonna raid the Xavier compound!

[Omega Alpha]

Come to think of it... the X-Folks really have had a bad track record when it comes to pregnancies and kids.

Scott & Jean ship Cable into the future to keep him safe.

Scott did it because otherwise he would be dead. Was an act of heroism, actually.

As for the worse parent, it's impossible to not pick up Mystique. She tries to kill her children as often as Xavier has one of his dark secrets revealed. And she abandoned two of them.

[caney]

I'll go with Mastermind. But his kids do rock!

[frog]

Mystique is Mommy Dearest.

[pariah-1972]

I was going to go with Scott on first instinct,
but Mystique takes the cake for throwing her baby off a cliff or waterfall.
I think Scott at least tries to do right by his kid,
but he wasn't given the chance to raise Cable really.
and i don't think Jean should even be in this topic considering she spent most of the time taking care of someone elses kid.
her uneasyness around Rachel is completely understandable too.

[Omega Alpha]

I think Scott at least tries to do right by his kid,
but he wasn't given the chance to raise Cable really.o.

He had, and he did raised Nathan, and he turned out fine. I mean, if you consider to be a time-travelling mutant with messianic tendencies fine.

[Brian M.]

Yea Scott had to send Nathan to the future. Also him and Jean followed Nathan months/years later to the exact time he he was sent and helped raise him for 12 years.

[Hi-Fi]

Well, Scott did abandon his son with Maddie but he made up for it when he raised Nathan in the future, I guess.

[worstblogever]

Scott did it because otherwise he would be dead. Was an act of heroism, actually.

As for the worse parent, it's impossible to not pick up Mystique. She tries to kill her children as often as Xavier has one of his dark secrets revealed. And she abandoned two of them.

I give Jean and Scott a pass on Cable to the future... still, that was really a gamble. It still looks weird, from a parent landscape when they have someone ask Jean... "Weren't you pregnant?"

Jean: "Yes. But, for the greater good of mankind, we moved young Nathan into the future for his own safety."

nosey person:"Oh. Is that a fancy way to say you left him in a dumpster?"

Scott: "I'll have you know we spent twelve years in the future raising our boy. Psychically time-projected, anyhow."

nosey person: "So... Nathan's okay then."

Scott: "Actually, he was recently killed on his own Haven by a traitor I had long since made welcome in our own home."

Personally, I think they're the most responsible of the people on the list. But that ain't saying much.

[Polaris Rocks]

Mystique is clearly the worst X-parent if there ever was one, though Magneto is probably the one on the worst terms with his kids.

[Brian M.]

Well, Scott did abandon his son with Maddie but he made up for it when he raised Nathan in the future, I guess.

He also spent all of X-Factor searching for Nathan until he finally found him at the end of Inferno.

[Askani's Flame]

Mystique for me.

Scott as a second for me. He isn't consistant as a parent, but that's more the fault of the writers I think.

Jean shouldn't be on the list because she technically isn't Nathan's mother, but had been really good to him (both in the present and in the future). And although there was resentment initially, she grew to care about Rachel.

Tie for Xavier and Erik for 3rd.

[worstblogever]

What's weird is how Callisto can be all maternal and protective of her ward, Marrow. And yet... lead her on terrorist raids and keep her living in a sewer.

[jeangreydp]

I was going to go with Scott on first instinct,
but Mystique takes the cake for throwing her baby off a cliff or waterfall.
I think Scott at least tries to do right by his kid,
but he wasn't given the chance to raise Cable really.
and i don't think Jean should even be in this topic considering she spent most of the time taking care of someone elses kid.
her uneasyness around Rachel is completely understandable too.

This is pretty much what I was going to say!

Although, in matters of Rachel, Jean has vastly improved while Scott has stood by and listened to his vapid mistress tell Rachel she should never have been born without a word of protest.

Father of the Year! What a douche.

[jmc247]

Mystique is clearly the worst X-parent if there ever was one, though Magneto is probably the one on the worst terms with his kids.

Its the price you've gotta pay for being stern, but fair with them.

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[worstblogever]

Oh yeah, give Mystique points for trying to sleep with Rogue's boy, and then try to make up for it by throwing Pulse crotch first at her. That's some bizarre meddling mommy, to boot.

[Brian M.]

This is pretty much what I was going to say!

Although, in matters of Rachel, Jean has vastly improved while Scott has stood by and listened to his vapid mistress tell Rachel she should never have been born without a word of protest.

Father of the Year! What a douche.

Yea, Jean easily beats Emma, who's only claim to parenthood are the receipts the abortion clinics.

[worstblogever]

Mystique is Mommy Dearest.

NO...MORE...WIRE... HAANNNNGGGEERRRSSSS!!!

*Raven proceeds in beating Kurt with a coat hanger*

[The Cool Thatguy]

I don't see how anyone other than Mystique could take first, second and third place in this contest at the same time. She's really that freakin' bad a parent.

She threw Nightcrawler off a cliff to save her own neck. She abandoned Grayson as a boy and then later murdered him. And even though she adopted Rogue, that's never stopped Raven from knifing her in the gut, trying to blow her up and then shooting her. And, oh yeah, trying to seduce Gambit.

Really, it takes effort to be worse than her!

[worstblogever]

Yea, Jean easily beats Emma, who's only claim to parenthood are the receipts the abortion clinics.

That's pretty callous... I just want to say that my "No wire hangers" line is in reference to Mommy Dearest and has nothing to do with any stance I might have on abortions. It's a bizarre coincidence that those two phrases ended up so close together in this thread. I solemnly swear.

[Brian M.]

That's pretty callous... I just want to say that my "No wire hangers" line is in reference to Mommy Dearest and has nothing to do with any stance I might have on abortions. It's a bizarre coincidence that those two phrases ended up so close together in this thread. I solemnly swear.

Weird.

Emma's been scratched more times than a scratch and sniff sticker.

[worstblogever]

I don't see how anyone other than Mystique could take first, second and third place in this contest at the same time. She's really that freakin' bad a parent.

She threw Nightcrawler off a cliff to save her own neck. She abandoned Grayson as a boy and then later murdered him. And even though she adopted Rogue, that's never stopped Raven from knifing her in the gut, trying to blow her up and then shooting her. And, oh yeah, trying to seduce Gambit.

Really, it takes effort to be worse than her!

Yeah, most of the list are just deadbeat parents. Magneto's got some tough love issues, to be sure. (wasn't he beating Quicksilver at the end of House of M? Bet it wasn't the first time.) Mystique take it to a new level, though. She literally levels guns at her children. And pulls the trigger. If I were Nightcrawler, I'd get a bulletproof vest when she comes to visit.

[CE_Rap]

Of that list, Scott and Jean are actually the best.

They tried, spent years with the kid, and did it to save him. He's Jean's son more by technicality, but she never had the "luxury" of carrying him and delivering him. Even without that connection, she raised him as if she did. So yea, they're probably the only exception to the rule.

Otherwise...........yea, Mystique for the win!

[jarrod]

Raven wins easy... the rest are absent parents mostly, maybe a bit worse in Magnus' case, but who else threw their baby off a cliff? :/

[Monty_Cristo]

Magneto was only a father once and is daughter was murdered. i don't think it's fair to put him in the running.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Mystique, duh.

[Askani's Flame]

Magneto was only a father once and is daughter was murdered. i don't think it's fair to put him in the running.

? So Wanda, Pietro and Lorna belong to. . . . . .:confused:

[worstblogever]

Magneto was only a father once and is daughter was murdered. i don't think it's fair to put him in the running.

Yet he continues to seem to screw up his kids to this day. He's the second leading vote getter, too, as of this post.

[worstblogever]

Raven wins easy... the rest are absent parents mostly, maybe a bit worse in Magnus' case, but who else threw their baby off a cliff? :/

Moses had his mama put him in a river. Mind you, he was in a boat and it saved his life... so I guess Moses=Cable more than Kurt.

[jmc247]

Raven wins easy... the rest are absent parents mostly, maybe a bit worse in Magnus' case, but who else threw their baby off a cliff?

Sometimes you just have to be stern, but fair with them.

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[Rubicant]

After seeing Magneto force Wanda to dance for him, he is a close second for worst parent. You know after that reveal in Vison and the Scarlet Witch, Wanda had to scour herself clean. Of course, Ultimate Magneto is far worse because he actually raised both of them and shot out his son's kneecaps while his daughter watched. Sick. Oh, and he didn't nip that incest thing between them in the bud immediately.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Awesome, lol. Had forgotten about that. :D

[worstblogever]

Sometimes you just have to be stern, but fair with them.

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I can't stop laughing at Mags pelting Wanda in the head. He probably did that a lot, like Moe from the 3 stooges. No wonder she went nuts. Repeated head injuries. Seriously, that is so damn funny.

Ordering Pietro's death on the battlefield isn't as funny, but certainly makes a case.

[Daithi]

Scott and Jean did raise Nathan for twelve years so I can't fault them. So Mystique it is then. Though I would include Corsair but he's not really an X-person.

[worstblogever]

After seeing Magneto force Wanda to dance for him, he is a close second for worst parent. You know after that reveal in Vison and the Scarlet Witch, Wanda had to scour herself clean. Of course, Ultimate Magneto is far worse because he actually raised both of them and shot out his son's kneecaps while his daughter watched. Sick. Oh, and he didn't nip that incest thing between them in the bud immediately.

Ugh. Maybe it's a good thing he didn't know where Polaris was when she was a youngun. She'd be using her magnetic powers to dance around a levitating metal pole for daddy.

[worstblogever]

Scott and Jean did raise Nathan for twelve years so I can't fault them. So Mystique it is then. Though I would include Corsair but he's not really an X-person.

Well, Moira's an ordinary human on the list... but yeah. It'd be a different thread for "Which X-character's parent sucked the most?"

Mystique would still probably be winning that one, though. Rahne's dad would make that list. But let's wait a few weeks before firing up that thread.

[jmc247]

Ugh. Maybe it's a good thing he didn't know where Polaris was when she was a youngun. She'd be using her magnetic powers to dance around a levitating metal pole for daddy.

You must have missed the subtle implied stuff in the 90s where he was helping her to explore herself in his room at night. It was more subtle then the Magneto/Wanda stuff, but still funny looking back.

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[worstblogever]

You must have missed the subtle implied stuff in the 90s where he was helping her to explore herself in his room at night. It was more subtle then the Magneto/Wanda stuff, but still funny looking back.

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Having it implied you molest your children does make it harder for you to be an anti-villain, and way easier to be a hero, that's for sure.

Man... I just thought of a weird cyclical argument. Some people think it was impied that Legion raped Gaby, his mom, while he was in the past, and could therefore be his own daddy. So... would he be his own deadbeat dad?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You must have missed the subtle implied stuff in the 90s where he was helping her to explore herself in his room at night. It was more subtle then the Magneto/Wanda stuff, but still funny looking back.

Indeed is.

Always wondered WTF the editors and writers were thinking, but oh well.

[jarrod]

Oh, and he didn't nip that incest thing between them in the bud immediately.
Hell, he probably partook in it! Daddy nipped them both in the bud! :D


Well, Moira's an ordinary human on the list... but yeah. It'd be a different thread for "Which X-character's parent sucked the most?"
I'd give Moira points for taking in a 13 year old Rahne as her own at least. That and generally being awesome. :D

[The Cool Thatguy]

I'd give Moira points for taking in a 13 year old Rahne as her own at least. That and generally being awesome. :D

At least Moira isolated her kid for his own good, instead of doing so because she failed to brainwash her child and said child had the courage to go against her.

[worstblogever]

I'd give Moira points for taking in a 13 year old Rahne as her own at least. That and generally being awesome. :D

Yeah, you could make a case for Moira being the best parent ahead of Scott and Jean, actually, based off the adopted kid.

People seem to be giving free passes to Cable and Banshee, too. Although I like Sean, his daughter was an admitted alcoholic by the time she was in her early twenties. Lock the liquor cabinet, Cassidy! Well... maybe that's not fair. Black Tom might have been letting her sip whiskey out of her baby bottle for all I know.

[Mitsaso]

I voted for Magneto.
Not only was he a shitty father, but he also passed the Crazy gene to ALL of his kids!!!:p

[DDM]

Why is Moira MacTaggert on the list? She tried to help her son as much as possible. When his mutant powers emerged, she placed him in a containment cell to allow him to feed off the energies so his own body would not burn out. His containment served another purpose since it kept him from murdering other people.

Mystique takes the cake for worst parent though since she tried to murder Nightcrawler as a baby, attempted to kill Rogue a few times, & killed her other son, Grayden Creed.

[Diablito]

I give the cake to Mystique as well.

[worstblogever]

Why is Moira MacTaggert on the list?
To see if people can tell the difference between good parents and bad parents. Moira's only bad thing was inviting Charles to come "help" collect the kid, and having one of his students end up killing him before he imploded reality. That's about the lightest shade of grey on the list.

Note: No one's voted for her, so apparently she's still in X-Character Heaven. It's an option, not a slander on her.

[Monty_Cristo]

To see if people can tell the difference between good parents and bad parents. Moira's only bad thing was inviting Charles to come "help" collect the kid, and having one of his students end up killing him before he imploded reality. That's about the lightest shade of grey on the list.

Note: No one's voted for her, so apparently she's still in X-Character Heaven. It's an option, not a slander on her.

she tampered with Magneto's dna; while acting as guardian.

[worstblogever]

she tampered with Magneto's dna; while acting as guardian.

Now that you mention it, wasn't she an accomplice in helping Xavier cover up the apparent deaths of Petra, Sway, Vulcan, and Darwin?

[Monty_Cristo]

Why is Moira MacTaggert on the list? She tried to help her son as much as possible. When his mutant powers emerged, she placed him in a containment cell to allow him to feed off the energies so his own body would not burn out. His containment served another purpose since it kept him from murdering other people.

Mystique takes the cake for worst parent though since she tried to murder Nightcrawler as a baby, attempted to kill Rogue a few times, & killed her other son, Grayden Creed.

don't forget about her role as Senator Brickman's wife and her step-daughter from that relationship. that kid is going to be sooo screwed up.

Now that you mention it, wasn't she an accomplice in helping Xavier cover up the apparent deaths of Petra, Sway, Vulcan, and Darwin?

yes but i think she felt really really bad about that (not an excuse).

[Skibbs109]

Quite clearly Mystique

[CaptainCanada]

People seem to be giving free passes to Cable and Banshee, too. Although I like Sean, his daughter was an admitted alcoholic by the time she was in her early twenties. Lock the liquor cabinet, Cassidy! Well... maybe that's not fair. Black Tom might have been letting her sip whiskey out of her baby bottle for all I know.
She was already a teenager by the time he even knew she existed; if anything, she's turned out pretty well for having been raised by a supervillain.

[FortKnox]

Yeah, you could make a case for Moira being the best parent ahead of Scott and Jean, actually, based off the adopted kid.

People seem to be giving free passes to Cable and Banshee, too. Although I like Sean, his daughter was an admitted alcoholic by the time she was in her early twenties. Lock the liquor cabinet, Cassidy! Well... maybe that's not fair. Black Tom might have been letting her sip whiskey out of her baby bottle for all I know.

Well to be fair thanks to Tom, Sean didn't know his own girl was still alive untill well into her 20's. So it was really Black Tom that raised her not Sean.

And as for Cable it must been hard raise a son in a war zone and depending on who you ask Tyler might be the son of his worst enemy.

And as for what he did to Tyler either Cable could have let Tyler kill his teammate Dawnsilk or save her and he choose to save her cause he figured Tyler was to far gone to be saved. Of course he was wrong. And even after all the evil Tyler did Cable still tried to save him.

[Jota]

I have to agree with the majority, in that Mistique is the worst parent, folowed by Magneto.

But she wasn't the one who killed Graydon Creed right? Wasn't he killed by Bastion to have an excuse to push Operation Zero Tolerance?

[Dizzy D]

I have to agree with the majority, in that Mistique is the worst parent, folowed by Magneto.

But she wasn't the one who killed Graydon Creed right? Wasn't he killed by Bastion to have an excuse to push Operation Zero Tolerance?

No, Mystique did kill Graydon as revealed in X-Men Forever.

As for bad parents, Mystique obviously is the "winner", but I would add to Wolverine's list his adopted daughter, Amiko. Mother died, he promised to take care of her... and then usually forgets about her and ships her off to friends, relatives or even total strangers.

[DDM]

To see if people can tell the difference between good parents and bad parents. Moira's only bad thing was inviting Charles to come "help" collect the kid, and having one of his students end up killing him before he imploded reality. That's about the lightest shade of grey on the list.

Note: No one's voted for her, so apparently she's still in X-Character Heaven. It's an option, not a slander on her.

Charles Xavier was nowhere near Earth's galaxy when the X-Men fought Proteus; he was still in the Shi'ar Galaxy. He went back to Earth when he realized the potential danger Phoenix posed after he viewed "The End of All That Is" tape because Phoenix literally saved the universe all by herself. It's just Moira MacTaggert, Sean Cassidy (powerless), Jamie Madrox, Havok, Polaris, & the X-Men (Cyclops, Storm, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, & Phoenix).

Moira MacTaggert sent help for Xavier when she had problems getting through to David Haller, Gabrielle's autistic son & one of his personalities had taken Sharon Friendlander & Tom Corsi hostage by ripping their souls from their respective bodies in The New Mutants #26-28. After reading David's mind, Xavier realized David is his biological son...

[Slung]

Well, I may have voted for Scott for his Maddie and Nathan issues - but you shoved poor Jean in there - whose been nothing but kind to all the kids who aren't hers (well, save for a little problem with Rachel at the beginning). Jean is NOT Cable's mommy. She's his...errrr...aunt and stepmom?

[Pro]

Definitely Madelyne Pryor. Trying to sacrifice your own son to cast a demonic spell is about as evil as you can get.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Scott and Jean get my vote. They've paid their dues with Cable, plentifully. But Rachel? Scott in particular has been particularly cold towards her. When she's been around he's almost always treated her just like another X-Man recruit. He's spent next to no time getting to know her. Heck she's probably closer to Alex than he is her own father. :(

[Polaris Rocks]

Magneto has been a great parent compaired to Mystique, Cyclops, and alot of the others on the list. At least he loves his kids.

[Slung]

Scott and Jean get my vote. They've paid their dues with Cable, plentifully. But Rachel? Scott in particular has been particularly cold towards her. When she's been around he's almost always treated her just like another X-Man recruit. He's spent next to no time getting to know her. Heck she's probably closer to Alex than he is her own father. :(

She isn't really Jean or Scott's kid. She's from a future alternate universe. Can you imagine if somebody a few years younger than you showed up and said they were your alternate reality future self's kid? I don't think you'd read them bed time stories and tuck them in at night.

[Slant]

Magneto has been a great parent compaired to Mystique, Cyclops, and alot of the others on the list.
Really now?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Magneto has been a great parent compaired to Mystique, Cyclops, and alot of the others on the list. At least he loves his kids.

*Insert incest joke right here*

Oh, and I take it the whole him screaming for Quickie to be slain is tough love? :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She isn't really Jean or Scott's kid. She's from a future alternate universe. Can you imagine if somebody a few years younger than you should up and said they were your alternate reality future self's kid? I don't think you'd read them bed time stories and tuck them in at night.

Amen. I'll be the first to admit Cyke never will get a father of the year award, but one can't really blame him about not always being there for the daughter he never even fathered in this life/reality. ;)

[jmc247]

Amen. I'll be the first to admit Cyke never will get a father of the year award.

Yup, because Magneto already won.

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[caney]

Magneto is an awful awful parent. He cares for his kids so long as it's convenient to his other motives.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Yup, because Magneto already won.

This is a joke, right? Irony and all?

[Omega Alpha]

She isn't really Jean or Scott's kid. She's from a future alternate universe. Can you imagine if somebody a few years younger than you showed up and said they were your alternate reality future self's kid? I don't think you'd read them bed time stories and tuck them in at night.

Yeah. If surrogate or not really parents, but father and mother figures count, then Xavier should be considered much worse. At least Scott and Jean never erased the memories of Rachel to make her forget their mistakes.

[kate-pryde]

Amen. I'll be the first to admit Cyke never will get a father of the year award, but one can't really blame him about not always being there for the daughter he never even fathered in this life/reality. ;)

Waitasecond. Scott may not have actually fathered Rachel, but he grow to regard her as his daughter. She loved him, Jean and Nate more than anything and sacrificed herself for them. She was the one who gave him the chance to actually be a father to his son.

So when Scott barely protested Emma saying Rachel shouldn't have born - that would have meant Nathan would never have been saved by being taken to the future and Scott would never have had the chance to raise him.

Scott should win the Worst Parent Award if he agrees with Emma that the person who sacrificed herself to save his son was never born.

[jmc247]

This is a joke, right? Irony and all?

Hell no, Ultimate Mags gets the Ultimate Father of the Year award too.

[rilokyle]

Cyclops for sure! He walked out on his own wife and kid (Maddie and Baby Cable) to get ass from Jean. He's about as fit as Britney.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

She isn't really Jean or Scott's kid. She's from a future alternate universe. Can you imagine if somebody a few years younger than you showed up and said they were your alternate reality future self's kid? I don't think you'd read them bed time stories and tuck them in at night.

She's not so much an alternate reality kid as the kid from a time-line which was stopped from coming to pass directly through the X-Men's actions. As field leader during those events I would expect Cyclops to feel a certain amount of guilt over that. And upon establishing that they really were my own flesh and blood I certainly think I'd make some attempt to get to know them. Even if only to be polite, you know?:confused:

[frog]

Cyclops for sure! He walked out on his own wife and kid (Maddie and Baby Cable) to get ass from Jean. He's about as fit as Britney.

Nah. Cyclops didn't attempt to kill them when he left.

Mystique pwns all for lack of motherly instincts.

[jmc247]

Yeah. If surrogate or not really parents, but father and mother figures count, then Xavier should be considered much worse. At least Scott and Jean never erased the memories of Rachel to make her forget their mistakes.

Legion is Xavier's only child right?

[Polaris Rocks]

Magneto is an awful awful parent. He cares for his kids so long as it's convenient to his other motives.

That was how he treated them before he knew they were his kids which doesn't count.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

So when Scott barely protested Emma saying Rachel shouldn't have born - that would have meant Nathan would never have been saved by being taken to the future and Scott would never have had the chance to raise him.

Scott should win the Worst Parent Award if he agrees with Emma that the person who sacrificed herself to save his son was never born.

Or maybe it was just aknowledging Rach is a timeline anomaly...? :rolleyes:

Insensitive, sure, but still the cold hard truth.

[Grunty]

What's weird is how Callisto can be all maternal and protective of her ward, Marrow. And yet... lead her on terrorist raids and keep her living in a sewer.

Well this is a bit complicated but i think i can explain it. Look out this could get long.

First Marrow was not born a Morlock since she never mentiod her parents having been Morlocks (she often said how her people got killed during the MM but never said that her parents where also victims which means she was most likely an outcast of normal society like Leech because her mutation was already present as little kid), adding the flashback from when Marrow first saw Angel, its highly possible that Sarahs parenthood was a shared between the Morlocks including Callisto.

The next important bit of theire relationship is that Callisto was unable to save young Sarah from being thrown down the Hill. This forced Sarah to either stay on the lower levels and breed stronger children or climb up "The Hill" by herself.
Sarah did so and became the violent, agressiv and brutal person known as Marrow (makes me wonder why it was never adressed propably, could make an intresting one-shot showing how she turned from scared little girl to the violent 6 feet tall moster/woman we know).
Also Marrow is the only one of the Morlock childred who got transported to the Hill and managed to come back (since in the Storm mini series its noted that all other Morlocks in the Hill are the grandchildren of the Morlocks who got transported there, possible because of time flowing different in The Hill).

So i guess Callisto blames herself for what Sarah became which was the reason she send Marrow to the X-men, during OZT (ironical it was pretty much a succes since the X-men where, so far, Marrows best time in her live, DAMM YOU CLAREMONT!!!) so she would be intruced to more normal mutants.

However this doesn't explain her near mother like behavior towards Marrow. Sure Marrow in return sees her as the closest thing she ever had to a mother but why is Callisto replying this feeling?

Well the answer is simple if you look back at Uncanny 325 you will notice that Callisto wasn't as maternal back then when it came to Marrow. But when she was again taken down as leader of the Morlocks by Storm (in the Storm mini series) the only person who stayed true to her was Marrow, a person Callisto belived to be dead.
So for Callisto it must have looked as if destiny or a higher power had saved Marrow so she had a new responcibility, a new objectiv. Something to do right after all she had done wrong.
I guess you get the picture.

But why taking her to Terrorist raids and living in the sewers?
Again easy to answer. Because Marrow wasn't a little kid anymore which you could simply raise the right way. Sarah had become a monster, a terrorist who only belived that brutal force will change the world and Callisto herself still belived herself that humans should respect and fear mutants.
So she decided to still do scare tactics against humans but since she wasn't as violent as gene nation without unnecessary deaths. This was like hitting to flys with one hit. She could get her anger about Storm out to the world and have an eye on Marrow keeping her violent behavior low.
And of course living in the sewers was necesary because Marrow wouldn't have want to live anywhere else. Since for her the tunnels had been home when she was a little kid and besides a pocked dimension where a ray of the sun is a like a laser beam or rain burns away your skin away, it was the only thing she knew.

So yes Callisto has a maternal relationship with Marrow but it wasn't always there, especialy when "Sarah" would have needed it. So Callisto is pretty much forced to take Marrow along such actions since its the only thing the girl understands.

And if someone ask why Callisto has cared a sh*t about Marrow in the recent years before theire reapearance in X-factor? Well blame it on Claremont (like i always do) for hating Marrow (and trying to make everyone belive she never existed).

I also would like to note that for Marrow not only Callisto but also, in her later years as X-men, Storm was also a mother figure for her (Storm begann to care for Marrow as she was a reminder for not having been able to help someone once and also because she learned that there is something worth saving in Marrow).

[DDM]

She's not so much an alternate reality kid as the kid from a time-line which was stopped from coming to pass directly through the X-Men's actions. As field leader during those events I would expect Cyclops to feel a certain amount of guilt over that. And upon establishing that they really were my own flesh and blood I certainly think I'd make some attempt to get to know them. Even if only to be polite, you know?:confused:

Rachel Summers is from an alternate future Earth whose parents are dead. The mainstream Marvel Universe Cyclops & Phoenix are NOT her parents, although they are very close to her original parents.

[Monty_Cristo]

Magneto is an awful awful parent. He cares for his kids so long as it's convenient to his other motives.

if that were true, he wouldn't have come for Wanda before HoM. he also wouldn't have visited the Inhumans to see Luna.

[kate-pryde]

Or maybe it was just aknowledging Rach is a timeline anomaly...? :rolleyes:

Insensitive, sure, but still the cold hard truth.

Considering the precious 12 years that Scott and Jean spent raising Nate is now an alternate timeline that doesn't exist, I doubt Scott would see anything wrong with timeline anomalies, especially when they relate to his family and gave him something he desperately wanted.

[Polaris Rocks]

if that were true, he wouldn't have come for Wanda before HoM. he also wouldn't have visited the Inhumans to see Luna.

Exactly, Magneto loves his kids, even Pietro who is his greatest disappointment.

[Monty_Cristo]

Exactly, Magneto loves his kids, even Pietro who is his greatest disappointment.

i think he sees too much of himself in Pietro. but he'll always have a soft spot for Wanda (because she looks like Magda) and Luna (because she's innocent like Anya).

[jmc247]

i think he sees too much of himself in Pietro. but he'll always have a soft spot for Wanda (because she looks like Magda) and Luna (because she's innocent like Anya).

Lorna he sees as the one that should fill his shoes when he is gone. He regards her his only good potental replacement. Pietro he doesn't trust and Wanda he knows would never want the job nor would be up to it.

[caney]

Exactly, Magneto loves his kids, even Pietro who is his greatest disappointment.

Love alone doesn't make him a good parent.

Lorna he sees as the one that should fill his shoes when he is gone. He regards her as sort of his only true potental replacement. Pietro he doesn't trust and Wanda he knows would never want the job nor would be up to it.

Sounds more like a man looking for his heir than a parent doing his best to father his children.

[Monty_Cristo]

Love alone doesn't make him a good parent.



Sounds more like a man looking for his heir than a parent doing his best to father his children.

well the alternative is to not have any feelings for your kids; like Mystique. Magneto's a pretty lousy dad but he didn't abandon his kids because they didn't have powers.

[caney]

well the alternative is to not have any feelings for your kids; like Mystique. Magneto's a pretty lousy dad but he didn't abandon his kids because they didn't have powers.

We agree on that. I never compared his parenting to anyone else. I just said he's an awful father.

[jmc247]

We agree on that. I never compared his parenting to anyone else. I just said he's an awful father.

From Marvel Trading Cards

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magsfailureasafather.jpg

[Omega Alpha]

well the alternative is to not have any feelings for your kids; like Mystique. Magneto's a pretty lousy dad but he didn't abandon his kids because they didn't have powers.

But all of them did have powers...

[Polaris Rocks]

But all of them did have powers...

He certainly wasn't happy that Pietro used the crystals on Luna.

[Polaris Rocks]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magsfailureasafather.jpg

I wouldn't say his kids are apples that fall too great a distance from the tree.

[Monty_Cristo]

But all of them did have powers...

you're forgetting Anya

[jmc247]

you're forgetting Anya

Poor Anya gets forgotten all too often.

[Monty_Cristo]

Poor Anya gets forgotten all too often.

Won't anyone THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!!

[Omega Alpha]

you're forgetting Anya

No, i am not.

[ClanAskani]

Both Mystique and Magneto are worse parents than Scott, but he does still have his parenting problems. Scott never can live down abandoning his wife and infant. He redeemed himself for that some what, but not completely.


Scott and Jean get my vote. They've paid their dues with Cable, plentifully. But Rachel? Scott in particular has been particularly cold towards her. When she's been around he's almost always treated her just like another X-Man recruit. He's spent next to no time getting to know her. Heck she's probably closer to Alex than he is her own father. :(


At first, it wasn't Scott's fault. After Rachel and Scott talked in X-Men & Alpha Flight, Rachel made the decision not to tell Scott who she was to avoid disrupting his marriage, and telepathically prevented him from figuring it out. Scott wasn't given the opportunity to be a father to Rachel then. But he did ignore Rachel when she wanted to spend time with him.

I agree he was cold to Rachel after he found out in Days of Future Present. He and Rachel had just been through a terrible ordeal. Jean may have had trouble learning about Rachel, but Scott and Rachel had been teammates. Rachel had just saved his life, then been rejected by Jean and flown off in tears. That's the point that Scott should have reached out to Rachel, but he ignored her again.

After Rachel returned, Scott treated her worse than he treated any of the others. He never stood up for Rachel or tried to reach out to her.


She isn't really Jean or Scott's kid. She's from a future alternate universe. Can you imagine if somebody a few years younger than you showed up and said they were your alternate reality future self's kid? I don't think you'd read them bed time stories and tuck them in at night.

Scott spent 12 years with Rachel when she sent him and Jean 2000+ years into the future to raise Nathan. Rachel was in a coma most of the time (due to the amount of strain on her body to keep them there). But they were a family together.

Has Scott shown absolutely any sort of gratitude or appreciation that Rachel did that for him? No. That's what's wrong.

Especially after Scott told Rachel that he loved her and apologized for not being the father that he should have been.

http://www.rachel-summers.com/gallery/aocp3a.jpg

(I should put this in my sig file)


Scott's given a 2nd chance to make amends and to be the father he said he wanted to be to Rachel. Then he fails miserably. He doesn't even try. He treats Rachel worse than he would treat any other teammate.


So when Scott barely protested Emma saying Rachel shouldn't have born - that would have meant Nathan would never have been saved by being taken to the future and Scott would never have had the chance to raise him.

Scott should win the Worst Parent Award if he agrees with Emma that the person who sacrificed herself to save his son was never born.


Exactly.

Without Rachel's sacrifice, Scott would have had to watch his baby die. Emma probably would enjoy that and be glad Nathan wasn't there to interfere in their relationship, but no way Scott wouldn’t feel indebted to Rachel for what she did for him. Maybe Nathan's death will snap Scott out of his Emma-induced parenting-haze.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You know what, i just remembered something.

Claremont wrote the thing, right? OF COURSE Cyke and Ems are the baddies. Why the hell are we even arguing? :D

[Kage Kisaragi]

i picked Xavier..

[The Sword Is Drawn]

At first, it wasn't Scott's fault. After Rachel and Scott talked in X-Men & Alpha Flight, Rachel made the decision not to tell Scott who she was to avoid disrupting his marriage, and telepathically prevented him from figuring it out. Scott wasn't given the opportunity to be a father to Rachel then. But he did ignore Rachel when she wanted to spend time with him.

I agree he was cold to Rachel after he found out in Days of Future Present. He and Rachel had just been through a terrible ordeal. Jean may have had trouble learning about Rachel, but Scott and Rachel had been teammates. Rachel had just saved his life, then been rejected by Jean and flown off in tears. That's the point that Scott should have reached out to Rachel, but he ignored her again.

After Rachel returned, Scott treated her worse than he treated any of the others. He never stood up for Rachel or tried to reach out to her.

Exactly. It has always seemed greatly odd to me. Sure, in this timeline she was never born. But in this timeline Nathan will never become Cable either. She's his daughter in blood. You'd think he'd try.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

At first, it wasn't Scott's fault. After Rachel and Scott talked in X-Men & Alpha Flight, Rachel made the decision not to tell Scott who she was to avoid disrupting his marriage, and telepathically prevented him from figuring it out. Scott wasn't given the opportunity to be a father to Rachel then. But he did ignore Rachel when she wanted to spend time with him.

I agree he was cold to Rachel after he found out in Days of Future Present. He and Rachel had just been through a terrible ordeal. Jean may have had trouble learning about Rachel, but Scott and Rachel had been teammates. Rachel had just saved his life, then been rejected by Jean and flown off in tears. That's the point that Scott should have reached out to Rachel, but he ignored her again.

After Rachel returned, Scott treated her worse than he treated any of the others. He never stood up for Rachel or tried to reach out to her.

Exactly. It has always seemed greatly odd to me. Sure, in this timeline she was never born. But in this timeline Nathan will never become Cable either. She's his daughter in blood. You'd think he'd try.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

At first, it wasn't Scott's fault. After Rachel and Scott talked in X-Men & Alpha Flight, Rachel made the decision not to tell Scott who she was to avoid disrupting his marriage, and telepathically prevented him from figuring it out. Scott wasn't given the opportunity to be a father to Rachel then. But he did ignore Rachel when she wanted to spend time with him.

I agree he was cold to Rachel after he found out in Days of Future Present. He and Rachel had just been through a terrible ordeal. Jean may have had trouble learning about Rachel, but Scott and Rachel had been teammates. Rachel had just saved his life, then been rejected by Jean and flown off in tears. That's the point that Scott should have reached out to Rachel, but he ignored her again.

After Rachel returned, Scott treated her worse than he treated any of the others. He never stood up for Rachel or tried to reach out to her.

Exactly. It has always seemed greatly odd to me. Sure, in this timeline she was never born. But in this timeline Nathan will never become Cable either. She's his daughter in blood. You'd think he'd try.

[jarrod]

She's his daughter in blood.
Well.... that's certainly questionable. :D


*hides*

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Well.... that's certainly questionable. :D


*hides*

Well, until we find oput she's the daughter of Jean and the Phoenix in print...:D

[streator]

mystique.

they're all somewhat bad parents, though.

[_Jayme_]

It would be fair to say that they all have parenting issues, but Mystique is the worst. She'll put her foster daughter over her own flesh and blood, which to me seems worse then what Scott does with Rachel.

[jmc247]

which to me seems worse then what Scott does with Rachel.

Is Rachel really related to Cyke?

[Porcelain]

He also spent all of X-Factor searching for Nathan until he finally found him at the end of Inferno.
No he didn't. X-Factor started with Scott leaving Maddie to see Jean where he's talked into joining the group and then is riddled by guilt over the Maddie/Jean situation. It isn't untill issue:

7: Jean clocks on, while he finally tries to contact Maddie (calls, no answer)
8: Jean accuses him of abandoning his wife & he shows her a picture of Maddie which has his son in - son is finally mentioned by photograph
12 before he starts to worry about Maddie seemingly having disappeared - prompted by Jean's concern for her family
13 he does something about it (visits their house to find it abandoned) and finally becomes concerned about his son
14, Maddie turns up apparently dead and he automatically assumes his son must be dead too - there is no attempt to find the body, what happened/who did it or even mark the passing of his child
26 Scott thinks Maddie might not be dead. He reveals his marriage was a lie and he only stayed with her and had his son because she loved him and he didn't think he could find true happyness again. Also the first time we're told that when he left to see Jean, Maddie told him never to come back (unstated if she knew he was going to see Jean). Reiterated a red head's body was found, but not the baby - again no mention of trying to find baby.
27 Scott finds out Maddie wasn't dead with a TV plea of her asking him to find their son before she actually does "die" - he's suprised.
28 Scott begins his search for his son, starts feeling guilt regarding him but the search gets dragged out over issues as he gets pulled back to X-Factor again and again
36 Inferno and finding the baby

Entire time he's so wrapped up in himself about possibly loosing Jean (by telling her the truth) that Maddie guilt becomes a distant 2nd in his concerns and abandonment of an innocent child he created barely registers - untill Maddie's TV plea in #27. Crap father by any standards during that period.

His behaviour is only topped by Jean irrationally jumping to conclusions and flipping at Maddie for apparently intentionally scaring Cyke and not coming to find him with baby - despite X-Factor deliberately masking their identities, avoiding the X-men and Scott having left her & his son without trying to contact them for weeks. Horrible characterisation - especially given how Jean reacted so well to Scott having a wife initially. Sorry for the semi-rant, but only recently read those issues and Simonson's reactionary characterisation to the whole Jean/Maddie thing was awful to read.

Mystique takes the biscuit for obvious reasons though.

[EmmaFrost]

Mystique and Sabretooth for sure.

Scott Summers is easily the most capable hero in comics. He was married to a woman who could snap at any time and destroy the universe, and in the clutch, he didn't leave the toilet seat up and end all life as we know it. Yet somehow, he still opted to have an affair... and still didn't get us all immolated by a jilted Phoenix. The guy's a miracle worker, I tell ya...

LMAOOO!!!

[The M.E.]

Mystique and Sabretooth for sure.



LMAOOO!!!

ditto, my folks and i had problems, but they never tried to murder and/or eat me

[Onslaught Reborn]

I saw this thread, came down here to vote for the Goblin Queen, Marvel's own Baby Sacrifice Woman, and she's...not on the list.

You have failed me for the last time.

[Porcelain]

Vote other :D

[Come To Deathstrike]

I don't like the character assassination of Mystique that's going on here.
She killed Garydon Creed.
As he was a Crazy Sonofabitch
And needed to be killed for The Greater Good.
Creed As President?
Nobody wins.

The crazy mob with pitchforks was going to Kill Baby Nightcrawler
So she pushed him down a river, In a basket, so he'd survive.
And It's just LUCK, He's found by accepting gypsies instead of more crazy mob members?

And Rogue.
She MAY have tried to break up her and gambit.
But that was because she found someone more suitable.
Peerfectly reasonable.
And she DID stab her, but she clearly knew about wolverine's healing factor.
And she DID shoot her, but that was to stop scalphunter shooting her.
And she's mysteriously alive.
It's clearly all a ploy.

Mystique wouldn't have been around as she's clearly trying to make a better future for the world, with Destiny's diaries.
And for her most crazy acts of crazies.
She says she has an imposter anyway
(So she may or may not have killed moira, stabbed rogue etc)

I personally think Mystique Did the best she could by the kids.
Nightcrawler definitely.
She respected his wishes to not Join the X-Team instantly, as he needed time.
She clearly loves rogue, and is protecting her from sinister behind the scenes.
As for Graydon creed.
I think Adoption was the only way. Sabertooth as a dad?
He was a normal human, so she let him live a normal life.
Unfortunately he was a complete psycho and needed to be taken out.

Thus ends my essay on why mystique is Cool.
And not a bad parent.
Just a misunderstood one.

I'm gonna go for. . .Colossus if he knows he has a son.
Wolverine if he doesn't.
He's a terrible father.

END OF ESSAY:D

[Matthew K.]

I'm sure growing up with Mystique would have it's laughs & fun times, but I really wouldn't want to think "oh...look it's Tuesday afternoon...my mom will probably come by later & try to kill me when I'm not paying attention. And then I will have to punch her in the face."

She's like that psycho from Play Misty for Me...she has her sweet moments, but underneath that thin veneer lies a psychotic biotch who wants you to be unhappy & in torment if you're not on her side. Seems like a real selfish & rotten apple as far as parents go...moms can be the best thing for you when they're good & kind, and the worst thing for you when they're not.

[Phil Hunn]

Colossus & Wolverine both suck as parents.

Not only does Logan have an illegitimate son who's a complete psycho (with a terrible haircut and a crappy tattoo), but both he and Piotr have kids in the Savage Land who they've never so much as acknowledged.

Colossus is far worse on that score, though, because Nereel actually showed him the kid and said something like "He's called Peter, after his father", and he didn't even twig that said kid was his.

Idiot.

[Come To Deathstrike]

She's like that psycho from Play Misty for Me...she has her sweet moments, but underneath that thin veneer lies a psychotic biotch who wants you to be unhappy & in torment if you're not on her side.

But UNDERNEATH the psychotic biotch lies the den mother she llongs to be
Full of cookies and tang.
And sweet words of love.

Colossus & Wolverine both suck as parents.

Not only does Logan have an illegitimate son who's a complete psycho (with a terrible haircut and a crappy tattoo), but both he and Piotr have kids in the Savage Land who they've never so much as acknowledged.

Colossus is far worse on that score, though, because Nereel actually showed him the kid and said something like "He's called Peter, after his father", and he didn't even twig that said kid was his.

Idiot.

Ergh.
He FAIL.

[Matthew K.]

But UNDERNEATH the psychotic biotch lies the den mother she llongs to be
Full of cookies and tang.
And sweet words of love.


Okay, deal if you throw in some Ovaltine!

[Come To Deathstrike]

Okay, deal if you throw in some Ovaltine!

I can offer you Horlicks.
Ovaltine never took off here.
It's tastier!!
:D

[Shyft]

MYstique obviously wins, with Cyclops a close second.

[Daithi]

Is Rachel really related to Cyke?

No she's more a stepdaughter. However given his speech to Rachel in the Askani time period you might think he might have tried better once she came back.

It's mostly Claremont's fault though. When Cyclops "deserted" Maddie in X-Force, Claremont practically ignored that Cyclops was Rachel's parent despite spending a good time on previous issues having them come closer. So you ended up with Claremont referencing Rachel, Jean and Nathan as a family but ignoring Cyclops.

When he wrote Rachel again he went back to the same until Grey's End.

[jcp011c]

Wow. Missed this thread the first time around. Not even sure why it's a question of who is the worst....not that any of them have been that great, and sure Cyclops and Magneto would be extremely distant seconds (remember, Jean hasn't actually had a child!), the obviously correct answer is Mystique.

Nothing like either successfully or attempting to kill your children, ex-lover, father or one of our own children, and friends of your own children. To top it all of, whenever one of her children get close to someone, she simply attempts to manipulate them into a position to where she can either or both seduce or kill them. Let's see, in addition to trying to or actually killing Rogue, Nightcrawler, and Graydon Creed, when Xavier took Rogue in she tried to kill him, and Nightcrawler viewed Moria in a very similar light and she successfully killed her.

I would never hire to her be a nanny if I had any kids.

[Come To Deathstrike]

Wow. Missed this thread the first time around. Not even sure why it's a question of who is the worst....not that any of them have been that great, and sure Cyclops and Magneto would be extremely distant seconds (remember, Jean hasn't actually had a child!), the obviously correct answer is Mystique.

Nothing like either successfully or attempting to kill your children, ex-lover, father or one of our own children, and friends of your own children. To top it all of, whenever one of her children get close to someone, she simply attempts to manipulate them into a position to where she can either or both seduce or kill them. Let's see, in addition to trying to or actually killing Rogue, Nightcrawler, and Graydon Creed, when Xavier took Rogue in she tried to kill him, and Nightcrawler viewed Moria in a very similar light and she successfully killed her.

I would never hire to her be a nanny if I had any kids.

You're wrong
I blame skrullz
:D

[mikeb]

When it comes to Mystique and Rogue,you guys seem to forget the stuff that happens before Uncanny X-Men #171.For example,Mystique uses Rogue as a weapon to break the Brotherhood out of prison (the reason them being there the result of "The days of future past" debacle).See Avengers Annual #10 for details.Mystique continuosly used Rogue as a weapon until Rogue ran off to Xavier in UXM#171.Hardy the roll of a good mother:eek: !

[jcp011c]

You're wrong
I blame skrullz
:D

Mystique, being a shapeshifter, could be the original Skrull! That sneaky bitch...and all this time I thought she was a mutant!!

[Jota]

Colossus & Wolverine both suck as parents.

Not only does Logan have an illegitimate son who's a complete psycho (with a terrible haircut and a crappy tattoo), but both he and Piotr have kids in the Savage Land who they've never so much as acknowledged.

Colossus is far worse on that score, though, because Nereel actually showed him the kid and said something like "He's called Peter, after his father", and he didn't even twig that said kid was his.

Idiot.He obviously went: "Peter? Well, my name is Piotr, so I don't have anything to do with it." Idiot? He found a very smart way of avoiding child suport. "I was never told the kid was mine, scout's honor!";)

I never read the "Jungle Adventure", altough I know what it was about. Did Wolverine actualy saw the kid or did the child appear only after he left the tribe?

[Ann Nichols]

I read a slur against Xavier's parenting of David in another thread so:

David was almost through his teens before Charles even knew he existed. Gabrielle chose not to tell him about David -- remember, Charles found out only when Gaby needed him to help David and even then, Charles learned it from David's mind in "New Mutants" v.1, #27 (Charles' willingness to help Gaby's son took place at the time he was supposed to be taking it easy after he was nearly beaten to death. This fight for David helped contribute to Xavier almost dying in "Uncanny X-Men" #200.)
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issue...sp?fldAuto=1148

Then Charles spent years lost in space. The X-Men didn't get him back until #277.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issue...asp?fldAuto=795

When he came back, the Shadow King had already possessed Legion. After the the battle against the SK, Legion was unconscious and Charles a paraplegiac.
UXM 280 http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issue...asp?fldAuto=411

Even so, Charles tried to help David out of his coma in "X-Factor" #70 and it took him awhile to give up.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=412

Gaby filled the X-Men in on Legion coming out of his coma & the loss of his split-personalities and how powerful he had become in "Uncanny" #320.
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issue...asp?fldAuto=253

Please explain how Charles could be a father to his son for the periods in which:

a. he had no idea that Legion existed
b. was many light years away (and he was originally taken to space because he was dying, partially because he tried to help David)
c. while David was in a coma.

[Brian M.]

Emma Frost is the worst X-Parent. Let's disregard the # of babies tossed in the dumpster outside the Hellfire Club and just focus on the thousands of Cuckoo's that were created from her eggs. How many died while she watched? Horrible parent.

[worstblogever]

Emma Frost is the worst X-Parent. Let's disregard the # of babies tossed in the dumpster outside the Hellfire Club and just focus on the thousands of Cuckoo's that were created from her eggs. How many died while she watched? Horrible parent.

Well, the Hellions and Generation X could be considered her "wards", too, and any student of hers practically already has a foot in the grave... you might have some kind of a case, there.

[x_goalkeeper]

Mystique of course! And Wolverine.. he does not seem interested in taking care of his children unless he is in the mood.

[psycwave]

I say Wolverine and Colossus for not only shunning but having no clue about their Savage Land Bastard children!!

[Anna]

Mystique by a mile.

[Magnus Opus]

This idea of Magneto being the worst parent is just luda. At some point you just have to let your kids be kids.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

As much as Mystique totally gets the win, I'm surprised Mags gets that much votes.

Honorable mention for Cyke & Jean if one believes she never cheated on One-Eye. Jarrod will vouch for me on this one, I'm sure.

[x_goalkeeper]

As much as Mystique totally gets the win, I'm surprised Mags gets that much votes.

I am curious about which would be worse, the absent parent or the parent who is present but raises the child to be less than good?

[Naira K]

I'll go with Mystique. Not only she directly messed with her kinds, but also hurt them through other people. I mean, there are many things you can catch Gambit on, but seducing him for Rogue's sake just sounds absurd.

[Slung]

Honorable mention for Cyke & Jean if one believes she never cheated on One-Eye. Jarrod will vouch for me on this one, I'm sure.

You aren't making sense again. Jean never did cheat on Cyclops. She made out with Logan a few times when he was dying, but they never had sex. Just move on from this. Just because Cyclops is a lousy spouse doesn't mean you have to make everyone else look worse to justify it.

[Brother Justin Crowe]

Can Corsair count? Please?

SPACE. PIRATE.

Seriously.

[psychic_therapy]

I'll go with Mystique. Not only she directly messed with her kinds, but also hurt them through other people. I mean, there are many things you can catch Gambit on, but seducing him for Rogue's sake just sounds absurd.

Great post. I agree, and voted as such for Mystique.

[Prodigy55]

It's obviously Mystique, Magneto never tried to seduce Vision or Crystal... and I don't think he ever shot his kids either.

[lockerogue]

Mystique does these things to her children because the Destiny diaries told her to. She is only following orders.

[Naela]

It's obviously Mystique, Magneto never tried to seduce Vision or Crystal... and I don't think he ever shot his kids either.

No he just crushed his son under who knows how many tons of debris effectively killing him in a fit of rage. He was just luck he had a reality warping daughter nearby to make it all better.

To be fair said resurrected son came by later and beat crap outta Magneto while he was depowered and most likely would have killed him as well if not for Luna's intervention. So I guess they're kinda even.

Oh and speaking of the Magnus family, like father like son I suppose considering just how awesome of a parent Pietro's been. I just can't decide on who is the worst parent between Magneto and Pietro.

[Naira K]

Face it, y'all. Mystique wants Gambit badly.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You aren't making sense again. Jean never did cheat on Cyclops. She made out with Logan a few times when he was dying, but they never had sex. Just move on from this. Just because Cyclops is a lousy spouse doesn't mean you have to make everyone else look worse to justify it.

I officially welcome you to the humorless bunch of us.

Apparently, the Jarrod reference wasn't enough, eh? :tongue:

[Slung]

I officially welcome you to the humorless bunch of us.

Apparently, the Jarrod reference wasn't enough, eh? :tongue:

I turn humor on and off and will, its a useful skill.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I turn humor on and off and will, its a useful skill.

But Cyke fans don't have that ability. How... convenient.

My bad. :tongue:

Seriously, man, Jarrod as a Rach-related reference. I mean, come on, did you not sleep for 20+ hours or something? :tongue:

[Slung]

But Cyke fans don't have that ability. How... convenient.

My bad. :tongue:

Seriously, man, Jarrod as a Rach-related reference. I mean, come on, did you not sleep for 20+ hours or something? :tongue:

This is between you and I, lover. And now its MY turn!

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

This is between you and I, lover. And now its MY turn!

I think part of my soul just died at that quote, lol.

Nice pick.

[jarrod]

Jean 811 was a whore. [/vouch]

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

*high five*

I *knew* the summoning would work. Eventually.

[Perfection/Emma 2]

As much as I hate to say it...Jean. I'm just kidding, she's the REAL reason that no one likes Rachel

[Slung]

As much as I hate to say it...Jean. I'm just kidding, she's the REAL reason that no one likes Rachel

What? How is jean the reason no one likes Rachel. Isn't it Cyclops that makes no one like Rachel - its her whiny attitude and bad fashion sense people don't like. Thats all from Cyclops.

[eurazn]

As much as I hate to say it...Jean. I'm just kidding, she's the REAL reason that no one likes Rachel

Rachel could be the love child of Dazzler and sexy (therefore, pre-Rogue) Gambit and I'd still hate her. :tongue:

[Naela]

What? How is jean the reason no one likes Rachel. Isn't it Cyclops that makes no one like Rachel - its her whiny attitude and bad fashion sense people don't like. Thats all from Cyclops.

Which is exactly why it's Jean's fault. She shoulda done some phoenix work and rubbed those bad genes out of Rachel ages ago.

[jarrod]

What? How is jean the reason no one likes Rachel. Isn't it Cyclops that makes no one like Rachel - its her whiny attitude and bad fashion sense people don't like. Thats all from Cyclops.
She whines about Jean, and Jean's "essence" in that crystal conned/guilted her into wearing those 60s rags. Anything and everything bad about Rachel can be traced back to Jean.

At least Emma called her a Princess. <3 <3

[jarrod]

Rachel could be the love child of Dazzler and sexy (therefore, pre-Rogue) Gambit and I'd still hate her. :tongue:
Dazzler would've miscarried. I doubt Ali's shriveled, alien abused, husk of a vage is really capable of bringing any form of life to term. Except those space herpes she gave Lila.


Which is exactly why it's Jean's fault. She shoulda done some phoenix work and rubbed those bad genes out of Rachel ages ago.
Again, Jean's fault. Jean 811 lied to Rachel and told her Cyclops was her father. This clearly triggered some unconscious genetic cascade within Rachel, making her mirror (inferior) Summers DNA. So not only did she inherit Jean's skank (temper, Phoenix, ginger, etc), but she's also now replicated Scott's less attractive attributes (stubborn, murderous, whines about Jean).

[Slung]

She whines about Jean, and Jean's "essence" in that crystal conned/guilted her into wearing those 60s rags. Anything and everything bad about Rachel can be traced back to Jean.


Dinosaurs and bad taste in clothes can NOT be attributed to Jean.

[jarrod]

Dinosaurs and bad taste in clothes can NOT be attributed to Jean.
They were Jean's clothes. Literally.

And we all know raptor comes from the Grey side....

[SayOcean]

What? How is jean the reason no one likes Rachel. Isn't it Cyclops that makes no one like Rachel - its her whiny attitude and bad fashion sense people don't like. Thats all from Cyclops.please rachel was new wave when you still had your NKOTB and debbie gibson posters up

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What? How is jean the reason no one likes Rachel. Isn't it Cyclops that makes no one like Rachel - its her whiny attitude and bad fashion sense people don't like. Thats all from Cyclops.

Damnit, you can't keep going on about how Cyke was Jean's b**ch 24/7 and then go on about how it's *his* traits that are dominant, lol.

Jean + Cyclops = Rachel

Emma + Cyclops = Ruby

That's a pretty simple math. :evilsmile:

[pariah-1972]

Damnit, you can't keep going on about how Cyke was Jean's b**ch 24/7 and then go on about how it's *his* traits that are dominant, lol.

Jean + Cyclops = Rachel

Emma + Cyclops = Ruby

That's a pretty simple math. :evilsmile:Ruby is kick-ass i will concede that point Of courseRuby doesn't seem to have much to live up to as far as mother figures it seems.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Either way, the math is on Cyke's side. :evilsmile:

[pariah-1972]

Either way, the math is on Cyke's side. :evilsmile:Your logic is irrefutable this time my friend :tongue:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Can't even brag about it, too.

Ruby pwning just... is.

[pariah-1972]

Can't even brag about it, too.

Ruby pwning just... is.She got all the good gene's from both sides.:smile:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

And she totally would've beaten up Jamie for being a jerk.

Now that's awesome parenting.

[pariah-1972]

And she totally would've beaten up Jamie for being a jerk.

Now that's awesome parenting.What did Jaimie do this time?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

What did Jaimie do this time?

Insult her old man.

I am so not biased in this debate. *cough*

[pariah-1972]

Insult her old man.

I am so not biased in this debate. *cough*Well he made some valid points...

[Prodigy55]

OPLS! Ruby is lame and boring. I don't know why everyone orgasms over her.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

OPLS! Ruby is lame and boring. I don't know why everyone orgasms over her.

It's all about context.

Look at her first appearance. Did anything set her apart from the quintessential ass-kicking x-lady? Absolutely not.

Look at her second appearance. Jamie's all whiny and going 'Oh nooo, I remember a dupe spending like a week in a camp and I miss my jailbait future girlfriend. Nobody has ever had it worse than me.' Ruby gives him a lecture a la Cyclops and essentially threatens to beat him up for insulting her old man and being an overall douche.

That's hilarious.

[jarrod]

Rachel's first story was definitive, it was the X-story by which all others are ultimately measured and set the tone for the line even going to today. Does that make Jean the definitive girlfriend?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

God I miss the times you'd forget for one second and just break character. :wink:

[jarrod]

You'll also notice Cyclops was entirely absent during DOFP. Another clue to Rachel's true sperm donor?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You'll also notice Cyclops was entirely absent during DOFP. Another clue to Rachel's true sperm donor?

You say this as if I have *any* problem with the notion of Jean cheating on Cyke and Cyke not being Rach's father. You don't see me complaining about Rach ditching the Summers name, do you?

If you wish to wound me, go on about how he's her real father, lol. :biggrin:

[jarrod]

You say this as if I have *any* problem with the notion of Jean cheating on Cyke and Cyke not being Rach's father. You don't see me complaining about Rach ditching the Summers name, do you?

If you wish to wound me, go on about how he's her real father, lol. :biggrin:
That's not my intent. I think we're ALL in agreement here.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That's not my intent. I think we're ALL in agreement here.

I'll venture a wild guess and assume my comment on how Rach's dirtiest deed was to not self-abort, lol. :eek:

But, yeah, at least we agree on her parentage.

[Slung]

They were Jean's clothes. Literally.

And we all know raptor comes from the Grey side....

The mini skirt was far and away one of her BETTER outfits. Sad to say. The girl had a mullet and a rat tail.

please rachel was new wave when you still had your NKOTB and debbie gibson posters up
Rachel wasn't new wave. She was sci-fi lesbian. Its a subtle difference, but its a difference.

Damnit, you can't keep going on about how Cyke was Jean's b**ch 24/7 and then go on about how it's *his* traits that are dominant, lol.

Jean + Cyclops = Rachel

Emma + Cyclops = Ruby

That's a pretty simple math. :evilsmile:

Hate to say it, but Rachel's first appearances were far more interesting than Ruby's. If we were going on first two storylines alone, Rachel is the better character. Purely first two storylines though.

[jarrod]

I'll venture a wild guess and assume my comment on how Rach's dirtiest deed was to not self-abort, lol. :eek:
Marvel Girls are unabortable. Canon.


The mini skirt was far and away one of her BETTER outfits. Sad to say. The girl had a mullet and a rat tail.
lol NO.


Rachel wasn't new wave. She was sci-fi lesbian. Its a subtle difference, but its a difference.
lol YES!


Hate to say it, but Rachel's first appearances were far more interesting than Ruby's. If we were going on first two storylines alone, Rachel is the better character. Purely first two storylines though.
Just wait until CC gets his paws on Ruby...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ruby isn't sporting a mullet and has so far shown no indication of wanting to do illegal things to the nearest female teen.

Instant win.


Marvel Girls are unabortable. Canon.

Poetic license. LOL.

[jarrod]

Ruby isn't sporting a mullet and has so far shown no indication of wanting to do illegal things to the nearest female teen.

Instant win.
lol. Layla's so obvs been mining her precious stones the past couple years... she's a TOTAL dyke.

[Prodigy55]

LOL, the green miniskirt was atrocious. The only good uniform she had was her space one, but she ruined it with the sleeves and face paint.

[lockerogue]

lol. Layla's so obvs been mining her precious stones the past couple years... she's a TOTAL dyke.

LOL Layla was turned out by Ms. Summers.

[jarrod]

LOL Layla was turned out by Ms. Summers.
She clearly takes after mom. <3 <3

[jarrod]

LOL, the green miniskirt was atrocious. The only good uniform she had was her space one, but she ruined it with the sleeves and face paint.
Buh?

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/797/phoenixq.jpg

[Prodigy55]

God no jarrod. Seriously, just no.

I mean the RAFOTSE one, and she had it for Emperor Vulcan too.

[Slung]

Buh?

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/797/phoenixq.jpg

I agree with you Jarrod. On this one thing. ONE thing.

[SayOcean]

[QUOTE=Slung;8841285]

Rachel wasn't new wave. She was sci-fi lesbian. Its a subtle difference, but its a difference.



[QUOTE] but she wore a suit with a skinny tie.....and she had a rat tail.....A RAT TAIL