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Saturius

10-22-2007, 05:57 PM

LOL. A lot of Storm threads lately. Anyway, I think she attracts controversey because she's a little too complex. Some don't think she's black or they try to discount her blackness because of her white hair and blue eyes. There are strong hints that she's a lesbian and the belief that black women in media are oversexualized and marginalized at times. She's powerful, is an expert fighter, a good leader, marksman with handguns. She's been the poster child for black people in the X-books somewhat. There are just so many reasons. I think Claremont tried to make the character a little too dynamic and ended up doing her a little bit more harm than good. I still think she's a cool charcter though.

Gene M.

10-22-2007, 06:01 PM

Affinity

10-22-2007, 06:06 PM

Because a lot of the questions regarding her are hard to agree on:

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Is she bisexual?

Is she a Goddess?

Is she Omega level?

Is she beyond race?

Who is her true love?

etc.

Lol that's the definitive answer to this thread!

The RACE thing was a big thing just last week, I think. Omega level is annoying; it shouldn't matter anyway.

I think people are just HATAZ.

sinjection

10-22-2007, 06:13 PM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Ororo is a Queen of a highly advanced, powerful, feared African nation.

Is she bisexual?

Never.

Is she a Goddess?

Very close.

Is she Omega level?

Who cares?

Is she beyond race?

Ororo is unmistakably, irrefutably, beautifully BLACK

Who is her true love?

She told T'Challa she would have done anything for him. When T'Challa asked her to do something for him now and marry him, it didn't take long for Ororo to accept his proposal and become his wife. That says it all.

Pach!

10-22-2007, 06:14 PM

No.

Yes.

No.

Who cares?

No.

Vaginas.

Ororo is a Queen of a highly advanced, powerful, feared African nation.

Never.

Very close.

Who cares?

Ororo is unmistakably, irrefutably, beautifully BLACK

She told T'Challa she would have done anything for him. When T'Challa asked her to do something for him now and marry him, it didn't take long for Ororo to accept his proposal and become his wife. That says it all.

Like I said, hard to agree on.

Alan2099

10-22-2007, 06:18 PM

I don't think she's a contorversial character. I just feel there are a few posters (who will remain nameless here) that make a huge deal out of every little thing, ignore anything they don't like about her, and frankly, who nobody here should be waisting their time replying to anyway.

The character itself is fine, even if people can't all agree on the specifics.

Jackob

10-22-2007, 06:21 PM

mr2core

10-22-2007, 06:21 PM

I think people are just HATAZ.

Basically! ;)

It's all over the web. People hating, people defending. Falling back on saying it's "their Opinions". WE have some very STRONG opinions over the web... In the safe zones of our houses, behind our screens, saying things we most likely would never say face to face with STRANGERS. Just a observation I have had while webbing, and Ive been doing it since the late 90's, and it just gets worse...

But back on Storm since I got that off my chest ha. She's just fabulous, that's why.:D

lol but Seriously, when I see a Storm thread, I now expect race and bisexuality to be brought up and pounded in the ground. Which in this day and time, SHOULD not be a problem, but it is...

Jake V

10-22-2007, 06:22 PM

At least everyone can agree that the idea of "omega" mutants isn't worth caring about.

XPac

10-22-2007, 06:22 PM

Storm has been at the centre of controversy on internet for a long time, even before the current stuff. So what is it about her character specifically that makes her the object of such controversy?

Keep in mind that the marriage is but one of hundreds of things to happen to Ororo over the years (40? 35?) in the X-men, the Fantastic Four and Black Panther.

I think the reason she's controversial is simply because Claremont (and a few other guys on the Xbooks) did a fantastic job with her.

They created a very rich developed character that still retains a certain mystique despite her level of exposure.

From time to time she will do a few things that will figuratively "rock the boat," but that's the nature of the character... she's unconvetional on a lot of ways, and that's why she works. When you decide to give the character a mohawk and bi-sexual fling, you're definately working outside the box.

caney

10-22-2007, 06:27 PM

Storm is an immensely popular character. The main reason Ororo is the center of so many debates is her popularity. I don't think the conversations about her are any more heated than the conversations regarding other popular characters, such as Spider-Man or Wolverine.

Most of the people involved in the debates regarding Storm have one very important thing in common. They think she's an awesome character. They just can't agree on why.

Jackob

10-22-2007, 06:31 PM

Jackob

10-22-2007, 06:32 PM

but it is true, the bigger the star the bigger the controversy

Alphaxman

10-22-2007, 06:42 PM

I think some might find her too guarded and aloof. But I love her strength and how she tries to keep her emotions in check. If you look at her leadership abilities, I like her style better compared to Scott’s. He’s a little too traditional for my taste. Plus I feel that most of the X-Men minus the other original four would rather fellow her into battle. Scott is more like a boss you respect but not particularly like and Ororo is a friend you could talk to and follow behind without it seeming like a core. To my eyes Professor X is the teacher you follow to learn, Cyclops is the boss/general you would follow because that you job and Storm is the Minister like figure you would gladly follow and tell you deepest and darkest secrets to.

Faded

10-22-2007, 06:57 PM

She's controversial because there's a vague splash of paint between who she is, what her fans want her to be, and what's been implied.

She's just really different and complex and there are some aspects of her that people can't accept (race, sexuality, superiority/inferiority, etc.)

DDM

10-22-2007, 07:07 PM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Storm is a more creative leader than Cyclops. She's unconventional in many respects & tries to do things the enemies will least expect.

Is she bisexual?

No.

Is she a Goddess?

Before Xavier told Ororo about her mutant powers, she believed herself to be a goddess; however, Xavier changed all that. Storm knows she is a mutant--not a goddess.

Is she Omega level?

Who cares...!

Is she beyond race?

Although she is certainly black, her heritage is unique since she possesses blue eyes & silver hair. No black person possesses these traits, but these same traits can be found elsewhere in the world. Storm always advocated mutants & humans' rights. Her race, being a black woman, is secondary to being a mutant.

Who is her true love?

Forge:

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Storm also has untapped mystical potential that Chris Claremont always hinted at in Uncanny X-Men #160 (An alternate Storm lost her mutant powers & turned to her other heritage, sorcery in Limbo), Uncanny X-Men #187-188 (while fighting the mystical Dire Wraiths), Uncanny X-Men #192, Uncanny X-Men #242 (Storm has a premonition about a mystical arie which in one foretells about her regaining her powers & the other about the mystical gateway the Goblin Queen plans to use during Inferno).

Monty_Cristo

10-22-2007, 07:14 PM

i like the idea of Storm. but she fluctuates between special and overbearing.

Alan2099

10-22-2007, 07:17 PM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?
Yes, but Cyclops makes a better thunderbolt ross and they're about equal when it comes to abomination.

Is she bisexual?
I don't think she's ever bought anything sexual.

Is she a Goddess?
By strictess defintion, yet. Otherwise no. Sometimes inbetween.

Is she Omega level?
She's at least Omega Red level.

Is she beyond race?
I hear she finished 35th in the Boston marathon once.

Who is her true love?
The moon and the sun and the stars and the deep blue sea ... and not Black Panther

etc.
False!

DeniseXfrost

10-22-2007, 09:00 PM

Omega Alpha

10-22-2007, 10:09 PM

Because a lot of the questions regarding her are hard to agree on:

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Is she bisexual?

Is she a Goddess?

Is she Omega level?

Is she beyond race?

Who is her true love?

etc.

Not in a million years.

Yes.

Not in a million years.

No.

She's a human being and a mutant, I don't think she's beyond them.

Herself.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

10-22-2007, 10:12 PM

Is she bisexual?
No.

WTF...???

A walking CC encyclopedia/worshipper giving that very answer?

Faded

10-22-2007, 10:24 PM

LOL. I'm tired of walking so I'm jumping on this bandwagon.

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Yes.

Is she bisexual?

Yes.

Is she a Goddess?

No, but haaaay whatever makes you feel good girl!

Is she Omega level?

Storm is beyond that nonsense.

Is she beyond race?

But not this. I'm actually not sure what this means.

But I think she is probably mixed like a protein shake.

Who is her true love?

That's a heavy question. Let the girl breathe!

Magneto X

10-22-2007, 10:30 PM

So what is it about her character specifically that makes her the object of such controversy?

She's so last week.

It's all about Darwin nowadays!

Kaos

10-22-2007, 10:31 PM

Storm just get written badly a lot to me.

worstblogever

10-23-2007, 02:32 AM

Lately it's been easier to answer questions about your stance on abortion than about Storm without stirring up trouble.

We can all agree she's a mutant, an X-Man, and has the power to control weather related phenomena, though.

Right?

Flâneur

10-23-2007, 03:00 AM

We can all agree she's a mutant, an X-Man, and has the power to control weather related phenomena, though.

Right?

Claremont has disputed her being a true mutant in the past. Storm has untapped mystical potential that Chris Claremont always hinted at in Uncanny X-Men #160 (An alternate Storm lost her mutant powers & turned to her other heritage, sorcery in Limbo), Uncanny X-Men #187-188 (while fighting the mystical Dire Wraiths), Uncanny X-Men #192, Uncanny X-Men #242 (Storm has a premonition about a mystical arie which in one foretells about her regaining her powers & the other about the mystical gateway the Goblin Queen plans to use during Inferno). It is quite possible that Storm was never a mutant but was simply manifesting her latent talent for sorcery with the aid of spandex as a placebo.

It is also politically incorrect to refer to Storm as an X-man; her being transexual is not a factor as she identifies herself as a woman hence she is an X-woman not an X-man. To call her an X-man is to take a misogynistic stance and support the patriarchal norms of yesteryear.

There have also been extended periods where she has been unable to access her ability to manipulate the weather.

So WRONG!

lawl jaykay

worstblogever

10-23-2007, 03:14 AM

Claremont has disputed her being a true mutant in the past. Storm has untapped mystical potential that Chris Claremont always hinted at in Uncanny X-Men #160 (An alternate Storm lost her mutant powers & turned to her other heritage, sorcery in Limbo), Uncanny X-Men #187-188 (while fighting the mystical Dire Wraiths), Uncanny X-Men #192, Uncanny X-Men #242 (Storm has a premonition about a mystical arie which in one foretells about her regaining her powers & the other about the mystical gateway the Goblin Queen plans to use during Inferno). It is quite possible that Storm was never a mutant but was simply manifesting her latent talent for sorcery with the aid of spandex as a placebo.

It is also politically incorrect to refer to Storm as an X-man; her being transexual is not a factor as she identifies herself as a woman hence she is an X-woman not an X-man. To call her an X-man is to take a misogynistic stance and support the patriarchal norms of yesteryear.

There have also been extended periods where she has been unable to access her ability to manipulate the weather.

So WRONG!

lawl jaykay

CC suspends the difference between mutation and sorcery a lot. Magik being a great example. I can never tell when mutant power ends and spellcasting begins. Then again, Stan Lee did that with Scarlet Witch first... and I don't think it's ever been sorted out, nor ever will be. But good point, Flaneur... we can't all certainly agree on that.

We can all agree, then... that Storm has... a nose. Until she gets adamantium pumped into her like Wolverine and gets de-evolved and her nose goes missing for ten or fifteen issues. Damn. This is harder than I thought.

TheBest246

10-23-2007, 03:30 AM

This looks like fun i wanna join in!

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?
Nope, but she was a good leader!

Is she bisexual?
does it really matter if she is? (i would like her even more if she was!)

Is she a Goddess?
no, shes a mutant

Is she Omega level?
who knows and who cares

Is she beyond race?
what?? no shes clearly black (and about her hair, shes a mutant remember stranger things have happened)

Who is her true love?
me, i am her one true love!!!

etc.
damn right etc!

worstblogever

10-23-2007, 03:55 AM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?
Depends on if the writer at the time is a Cyclops hater, or a Storm lover.

Is she bisexual?
depends on the open-mindedness of the writer, and their ability to read between the lines toward the subtext of previous writers versus their if they're rigid and keep a character's history on panel.

Is she a Goddess?
Depends on a writer's philosophy towards all things religious, and if they use the term literally or figuratively.

Is she Omega level?
Depends on if a writer gives a crap about this somewhat irrelevant term, and how much he or she loves Storm.

Is she beyond race?
Universally, no, but to what extent depends on if she's in an X-Book or not. It seems one is beyond race in the world of the X-Men. The entire comic is about labels. Who's a mutant/human/cyborg/goddess/sorcerer/straight/gay/African/Japanese/Indian/Irish/Canadian/Dutch and dealing about the prejudice that stems from it is an underlying theme of the series, and if a writer forgets about the whole "world who hates and fears them" they're missing the whole theme of the overall story. Unless of course, the whole Marvel Universe learned how to not have prejudice, and live in complete harmony. But that would be boring.

In say, an Avengers book, or other Marvel book, race doesn't come up as much, but it still matters. Hell, Inhumans are another race altogether. So are the Skrulls, etc. But she, and no other character will ever be beyond race, until they're just dead, or sentient energy, or the only living thing left in existence.

Who is her true love?
Whoever the writer feels is their favorite character that they can justify shagging her.

Why is Storm a controversial character?
Because the facts about her are just vague enough that anyone can write, or read and interpret her as they see fit. Just like most comics characters today, because they're hung up between a merry-go-round of writers and editors who all have their own agendas with a mercurial and typically hard-to-please fan base.

Christopher O

10-23-2007, 07:23 AM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?
She's better in some areas, and he in others.

Is she bisexual?
Well, once upon a time, her heart's desire was to spend her life with Yukio, so yeah, probably. Of course, she grew up on the streets of Cairo as a thief and later as a tribal goddess, so she may not even approach sexuality in the same way. She's gender-blind.

Is she a Goddess?
That depends on who you ask.

Is she Omega level?
It's not like it matters. She can kick most of their asses anyway. Plus, she held the consciousness of the personification of the universe within her own mind. How many "Omegas" have done that?

Is she beyond race?
Well, from her own perspective, yes, she is. She's colorblind. However, she's definitely black. The whole "of all races" business really is only a reference to the way her facial features look, but girlfriend is definitely black.

Who is her true love?
The sky.

jarrod

10-23-2007, 07:46 AM

Because a lot of the questions regarding her are hard to agree on:

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Is she bisexual?

Is she a Goddess?

Is she Omega level?

Is she beyond race?

Who is her true love?

etc.
In some respects.

Yep.

Nope.

Probably.

It's part of her self-identity but it's obviously not her primary consideration. She's mutant first, then come the other aspects.

Claremont. Srsly.

DDM

10-23-2007, 09:20 AM

CC suspends the difference between mutation and sorcery a lot. Magik being a great example. I can never tell when mutant power ends and spellcasting begins. Then again, Stan Lee did that with Scarlet Witch first... and I don't think it's ever been sorted out, nor ever will be. But good point, Flaneur... we can't all certainly agree on that.

Magik's mutant power is the ability to control Limbo's stepping discs to teleport in space & time; however, her sorcery comes from her soul being partially transformed demonic during the Bloodstone Ritual by Belasco. As a result, she gained black magick abilities that work in Limbo. On Earth, Magik's powers are limited to astral projection, rudimentary spells, & her Soulsword.

DDM

10-23-2007, 09:38 AM

I think Storm's mystical potential comes from her spiritual connection with the Earth; it's just a further extension of herself done differently. I would have liked to have seen Storm's mystical potential explored in Uncanny X-Men, but the editors did not allow it to happen. Claremont explored Ororo's untapped mystical potential with Ashaka in The New Mutants #32-34, Ororo's descendant.

When Storm's mentions "Goddess" she literally means the mysterious goddess who manifested herself to Ororo when her elemental powers became dominant as a teenager. This goddess manifested herself again in Uncanny X-Men #191 & #226 (flashback) respectfully. What makes the goddess interesting is it could be another aspect of Gaea, the Elder God, one of Storm's ancient ancestors, or something else entirely...

Flâneur

10-23-2007, 09:48 AM

When Storm's mentions "Goddess" she literally means the mysterious goddess who manifested herself to Ororo when her elemental powers became dominant as a teenager. This goddess manifested herself again in Uncanny X-Men #191 & #226 (flashback) respectfully. What makes the goddess interesting is it could be another aspect of Gaea, the Elder God, one of Storm's ancient ancestors, or something else entirely...
In the Mystic Arcana issue by Louise Simonson, Ashake was linked to Ma'at and it is implied that is the Goddess to which Storm refers. Otherwise it is probably Isis as she's the only deity from the Egyptian pantheon to still have worshippers.

Pach!

10-23-2007, 10:15 AM

Ok, guys. That wasn't a poll. It was my explanation as to why Storm is controversial. LOL

Nyssane

10-23-2007, 10:26 AM

Ok, guys. That wasn't a poll. It was my explanation as to why Storm is controversial. LOL

LMAO. Oh, Pachcocko...

Magneto X

10-23-2007, 10:27 AM

Claremont has disputed her being a true mutant in the past. Storm has untapped mystical potential that Chris Claremont always hinted at in Uncanny X-Men #160 (An alternate Storm lost her mutant powers & turned to her other heritage, sorcery in Limbo), Uncanny X-Men #187-188 (while fighting the mystical Dire Wraiths), Uncanny X-Men #192, Uncanny X-Men #242 (Storm has a premonition about a mystical arie which in one foretells about her regaining her powers & the other about the mystical gateway the Goblin Queen plans to use during Inferno). It is quite possible that Storm was never a mutant but was simply manifesting her latent talent for sorcery

What? No it isn't. Xavier, Caliban, Cerebro and others detect mutants and Storm has always been one. How did Xavier locate her across the ocean to begin with if she wasn't a mutant? Her powers were nullified by Leech who nullifies -- mutant powers. So she's a mutant. And there is no rule that, just like a non-mutant, a mutant can't learn magic. If anything, her ability and/or experience sensing and manipulate energy patterns would give her an advantage. It's quite a stretch to say that because she has magic potential she isn't a mutant.

Christopher O

10-23-2007, 10:35 AM

Ok, guys. That wasn't a poll. It was my explanation as to why Storm is controversial. LOL
Well, everyone ran with it. You inadvertently started a trend.

kate-pryde

10-23-2007, 10:42 AM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops? Yes

Is she bisexual? Yes

Is she a Goddess? No

Is she Omega level? No

Is she beyond race? No

Who is her true love? Forge, but I did like her relationship with Cable and that could have developed into something much more.

Magneto X

10-23-2007, 10:44 AM

It would be cool if Storm became the lead sorceress of Wakanda,
just like her husband is the lead techie!

And both have their natural gifts to fall back on as well.

Gene M.

10-23-2007, 10:52 AM

Storm has boobies. Can we all agree on that?

tangentman

10-23-2007, 11:39 AM

Because a lot of the questions regarding her are hard to agree on:

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Is she bisexual?

Is she a Goddess?

Is she Omega level?

Is she beyond race?

Who is her true love?

Storm is one of those characters who manages to mean different things to radically different people. In that respect, Ororo shares a great deal in common with strong women in sci-fi/fantasy, such as Wonder Woman and Xena. Look at the responses here for an illustration of that point. For example, sinjection envisions Storm as the poster-woman for the black pride and separatism. Members like Nyssane or Deus Ex Chris might see her as a pioneer of alternative sexuality in comics. DDM attaches historical significance to Storm.

Viewing Storm is like seeing light through a prism--you see different colors, different facets all coming from the same source. The challenge would be finding two people in a room, much less the internet, who shared the same perception of Storm.

As for my answers...

Storm possesses an equal amount of natural talent for leadership. Cyke slightly edges her out in tactics, because Storm doesn't view a team in as mechanical a sense as Cyclops.

Yes, I consider Storm bisexual. Literalists will deny this part of Ororo, but anyone with even the barest ability to read subtext wouldn't miss the signals Claremont gave us years ago.

Not literally, but Ororo certainly maintains a profound connection to Her.

No, but then again, Storm is powerful and skilled enough to not need a plot device power.

Storm transcends easy labels, but I think she identifies with her nationality more than her skin color. In the early years of UXM, Storm was clearly drawn as a black woman with blue eyes and silver hair by Cockrum, Byrne, and Smith. Artists like Lee and Silvestri brought the multi-racial aspect to the fore in the late 80's.

She bonds on a passionate and intellectual level w/T'Challa, but considers Yukio a soulmate.

Divalykeprincess

10-23-2007, 12:54 PM

Storm is one of those characters who manages to mean different things to radically different people. In that respect, Ororo shares a great deal in common with strong women in sci-fi/fantasy, such as Wonder Woman and Xena. Look at the responses here for an illustration of that point. For example, sinjection envisions Storm as the poster-woman for the black pride and separatism. Members like Nyssane or Deus Ex Chris might see her as a pioneer of alternative sexuality in comics. DDM attaches historical significance to Storm.

Viewing Storm is like seeing light through a prism--you see different colors, different facets all coming from the same source. The challenge would be finding two people in a room, much less the internet, who shared the same perception of Storm.

As for my answers...

Storm possesses an equal amount of natural talent for leadership. Cyke slightly edges her out in tactics, because Storm doesn't view a team in as mechanical a sense as Cyclops.

Yes, I consider Storm bisexual. Literalists will deny this part of Ororo, but anyone with even the barest ability to read subtext wouldn't miss the signals Claremont gave us years ago.

Not literally, but Ororo certainly maintains a profound connection to Her.

No, but then again, Storm is powerful and skilled enough to not need a plot device power.

Storm transcends easy labels, but I think she identifies with her nationality more than her skin color. In the early years of UXM, Storm was clearly drawn as a black woman with blue eyes and silver hair by Cockrum, Byrne, and Smith. Artists like Lee and Silvestri brought the multi-racial aspect to the fore in the late 80's.

She bonds on a passionate and intellectual level w/T'Challa, but considers Yukio a soulmate.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head.

-The Diva

Petes Pants

10-23-2007, 01:31 PM

I like Storm because I'm into botany.

bluedmighty

10-23-2007, 02:28 PM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Absolutely

Is she bisexual?

Maybe. But, such was never implied on panel.

Is she a Goddess?

Depends on who you ask.
She says no.
But alot of plainsmen in Kenya say Yes.
Not to mention, at full power she's alot like Colypso/Mother Nature
We haven't seen her potential yet, so who knows.
The Goddess she saw in loked like her but "grown up".

Is she Omega level?

Possibly.
She should have been one of the first people on the list. I don't want her to be one now.

Is she beyond race?

No.

However, it is ironic. Since her ancestry is where the Human race, in all of it's glorious diversity, comes from.

Who is her true love?

T'challa. She said so her self.

bluedmighty

10-23-2007, 02:35 PM

What? No it isn't. Xavier, Caliban, Cerebro and others detect mutants and Storm has always been one. How did Xavier locate her across the ocean to begin with if she wasn't a mutant? Her powers were nullified by Leech who nullifies -- mutant powers. So she's a mutant. And there is no rule that, just like a non-mutant, a mutant can't learn magic. If anything, her ability and/or experience sensing and manipulate energy patterns would give her an advantage. It's quite a stretch to say that because she has magic potential she isn't a mutant.

I wouldn't be so sure. Everything in comics is subject to change depending on the writers or the market.

I'm writing a fan fiction about this. I think it would be VERY intresting if Storm found out that she wasn't a mutant. Charlie X lied. Where do her powers come from. Who is She if she's not a mutant?

Some great stories could come out of that.
As for her powers being affected by Leech or collars, it could be explained as a placebo. She thought that she was now powerless so she was powerless. Forge's weapon could have been a general nullifier.

ANYTHING is possible.

frog

10-23-2007, 06:07 PM

I wouldn't be so sure. Everything in comics is subject to change depending on the writers or the market.

I'm writing a fan fiction about this. I think it would be VERY intresting if Storm found out that she wasn't a mutant. Charlie X lied. Where do her powers come from. Who is She if she's not a mutant?

Some great stories could come out of that.
As for her powers being affected by Leech or collars, it could be explained as a placebo. She thought that she was now powerless so she was powerless. Forge's weapon could have been a general nullifier.

ANYTHING is possible.

Which is why I run from fan-fic like Pietro on 20 cups of coffee.

Arilou

10-23-2007, 06:20 PM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Depends what you mean by "leader", Storm probably edges Scott out in charisma and ability to inspire, while Scott has the edge in tactical ability.

Is she bisexual?

Depends on how you define the term. I'd argue that she is bisexual but with a strong preference for men.

Is she a Goddess?

Depends on how you define Godess.

Is she Omega level?

No, although she is the level beneath (Alpha?)

Is she beyond race?

What exactly was her backstory again? I have a hard time stitching together the timeline to be honest.

Who is her true love?

True love is a lie. She seems to like T'challa well enough though.

Magneto X

10-23-2007, 06:24 PM

What exactly was her backstory again? I have a hard time stitching together the timeline to be honest.

She was born in Harlem to a New York black man (a photojournalist) and an African woman (Kenyan, with an ancestor in Egypt). Shortly after her birth, her parents moved to Egypt. Her dad covered the Suez crisis.

Her parents died (in the manner that caused her claustrophobia) when she was a child (probably between 4 and 7 years old, old enough to walk and talk at least). She wandered Egypt, Kenya and other parts of North Africa (first as a thief, then as a rural village's weather goddess) until meeting Xavier who convinced her she could aid the whole world. She moved to New York (probably as an eighteen year old or so). She lived in New York for years as one of the X-Men. She visited Africa on a few occassions. She moved to Wakanda permanently when marrying T'Challa.

Although she briefly befriended Stevie Hunter, Storm has never been shown to have a black friend that I know of, except for recent recountings of African friends (including T'Chala) in her childhood. I also challenge people to find a single instance (like the other X-Men from other countries) where Ororo has uttered even a single word in Arabic or Swahili. She is an honorary Morlock, and their leaders for a time. She has identified as black and African at times.

I wouldn't be so sure. Everything in comics is subject to change depending on the writers or the market.

I'm writing a fan fiction about this. I think it would be VERY intresting if Storm found out that she wasn't a mutant. Charlie X lied. Where do her powers come from. Who is She if she's not a mutant?

Some great stories could come out of that.
As for her powers being affected by Leech or collars, it could be explained as a placebo. She thought that she was now powerless so she was powerless. Forge's weapon could have been a general nullifier.

ANYTHING is possible.

Just because ANYTHING is possible doesn't mean I wouldn't be sure, unless you're willing to be a person who isn't sure of ANYTHING.

Okay, so Charlie X lied. And also somehow used cerebro to find her anyway. Aaaaaaaaaaand when they were stuck on Magneto's island that made mutants powerless, Charlie didn't think to use her immunity as an advantage (probably to cover up the lie, even though Magneto was threatening the whole planet)? And then what? Shadow King lied? Beast lied? Emma also lied? Dr. Doom lied? Forge also lied (his nullifier does work on non-mutant powers, but he still cared for her medically and noted she had mutant genes)? And all the many Sentinals that have analyzed her have lied as well (programed to lie)? And Nimrod went along with it too? And when she was de-aged (on more than one occassion) before puberty and thus lost her mutant powers that age was, coincidentally, the same time she spontaneously developed magical powers? And Magneto's anti-mutant device and Leech's power both had psychological effects as if it was a mutant power? And since Leech jumped on her from behind causing her to fall from the sky before she ever knew what Leech's power was, that's quite a placebo effect indeed! Perhaps her magic sense informed her of Leech's power in advance in order to trigger psychological cruch that she's actually a mutant? Whatever. I have no problem with her also learning magic, but not being a mutant? That's a heck of a lot of proof to retcon away, and, your fan fiction aside, I'm not holding my breath. She's more likely to be a Skrull.

Magneto X

10-23-2007, 07:45 PM

Dark kinky hair would have looked nice:

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f106/vancegathing/OroroTChala.jpg

Faded

10-23-2007, 10:09 PM

I like Storm because I'm into botany.

You've returned! And you're using starch!

Petes Pants

10-23-2007, 10:17 PM

I tell you, if there's anything worse than a starched Petes Pants.

S-T-A-R-C-H-E-D.

There's nothing worse. I'm telling you.

GoingGreen

10-24-2007, 11:13 AM

Not in a million years.

Yes.

Not in a million years.

No.

She's a human being and a mutant, I don't think she's beyond them.

Herself.

...............Amen.

GoddessStorm

10-24-2007, 11:36 AM

I'm really offended by how many people think Storm is bisexual.

Unless it's clearly and overtly stated and spoken of in the comics, she is not bisexual. And don't give me that "subtext" crap.

Her relationship with Yukio was just close friendship. Perhaps it appears like a lesbian encounter to some people because women tend to be more universally romantic, cuddling, affectionate, even with each other. That is solely emotional sweetness, not physical lust and sexual attraction.

It's really pathetic how so many fanboys just wanna see a great, charismatic female character become bisexual for no other reason than sex appeal. It's sad and unnecessary. Here we have Storm, a magnificent, feminine, strong, whole woman, and you guys want to spoil all that for the sake of some lame-ole fantasies?

Again, unless it's 100% confirmed in the comics, the way Colossus was confirmed bisexual in the Ultimate Universe, then she is not bisexual. Sure she looked like a lesbian during the mohawk phase, but that's just an appearance. How come we don't say all male characters with long hair are gay?

I'm not saying it would be wrong for Storm to be bisexual. I'm just saying it wouldn't be unfair. Would Wolverine ever be established as bisexual? ....You've got to be high on something if you think so. Superhero leading characters like Superman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, Wonder Woman, etc. are all heterosexual. So Storm, a top Marvel female has to be bisexual just because boys want her to be?

Not fair, not balance, and not necessary. It's ridiculous, really. I think you're all just porno freaks trying to make the most out of comics books.

Being bisexual would really make Storm's strength less interesting, I think. Strong women who are feminine are rare, and she does a great job at that. If she were established as bisexual, then people would start to think she's strong only because she has masculine feelings and interests. Her strength would then be too cliche and boring.

DarthCyclopsRLZ

10-24-2007, 11:40 AM

Huh. NO.

'Ro's greatest desire was to go back to Tokyo, the very place where she'd met and hung out with another woman. We're just adding two and two.

Phil Hunn

10-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Is she a better leader than Cyclops?

Nope. At least not when Scott's in his right mind, anyway.

Is she bisexual?

Oh yeah. She's like a walking advert for workplace diversity.

Is she a Goddess?

Not really. People seemed to think so originally, but not now.

Is she Omega level?

It would seem so, yes.

Is she beyond race?

I wouldn't have thought so, no.

Who is her true love?

Yukio. Duh :p

It's really pathetic how so many fanboys just wanna see a great, charismatic female character become bisexual for no other reason than sex appeal. It's sad and unnecessary. Here we have Storm, a magnificent, feminine, strong, whole woman, and you guys want to spoil all that for the sake of some lame-ole fantasies?

Given CC's frequent preoccupation with dropping lesbian themes into his books (including his First Flight novel trilogy), and given that (a) Storm started following lesbian fashion and (b) having her heart's desire become to be with Yukio following her trip to Tokyo, it's less "lame-ole fantasies" and more "staring the truth in the face".

Faded

10-24-2007, 11:50 AM

GoingGreen

10-24-2007, 11:51 AM

HOW can people be OFFENDED by fan speculation that Storm is bisexual when there are millions of theories revolving around Iceman and now Cannonball. Please. That is a ridiculous argument. When it's Iceman or Cannonball, it's all fun and games, but when it's STORM, oh no... she's far too mighty for such a 'disgusting' notion, right? Please.

Kalen O.

10-24-2007, 11:51 AM

I'm really offended by how many people think Storm is bisexual.

Here we have Storm, a magnificent, feminine, strong, whole woman, and you guys want to spoil all that for the sake of some lame-ole fantasies?

Being bisexual would really make Storm's strength less interesting, I think. Strong women who are feminine are rare, and she does a great job at that. If she were established as bisexual, then people would start to think she's strong only because she has masculine feelings and interests. Her strength would then be too cliche and boring.

That's okay, I'm really offended by how many people think that making Storm bisexual would ruin/'spoil'/make her less of a magnificent, feminine, strong whole woman.

So I guess we're even!

Christopher O

10-24-2007, 11:58 AM

I'm really offended by how many people think Storm is bisexual.
What's offensive about it?

Unless it's clearly and overtly stated and spoken of in the comics, she is not bisexual. And don't give me that "subtext" crap.
Subtext is a legitimate part of the arts. Not everything is surface level.

Her relationship with Yukio was just close friendship. Perhaps it appears like a lesbian encounter to some people because women tend to be more universally romantic, cuddling, affectionate, even with each other. That is solely emotional sweetness, not physical lust and sexual attraction.
Her heart's desire was to be with Yukio. I think there's something to that.

It's really pathetic how so many fanboys just wanna see a great, charismatic female character become bisexual for no other reason than sex appeal. It's sad and unnecessary.
Being a homosexual male, I can assure you that sex appeal isn't a motivation.

Here we have Storm, a magnificent, feminine, strong, whole woman, and you guys want to spoil all that for the sake of some lame-ole fantasies?
So bisexual women aren't whole? Bisexuality spoils women? Is that what you're saying?

Again, unless it's 100% confirmed in the comics, the way Colossus was confirmed bisexual in the Ultimate Universe, then she is not bisexual. Sure she looked like a lesbian during the mohawk phase, but that's just an appearance.

Colossus was confirmed as homosexual not bisexual.

How come we don't say all male characters with long hair are gay?

Because long hair doesn't necessarily look gay. Storm's makeover, however, was very butch.

I'm not saying it would be wrong for Storm to be bisexual. I'm just saying it wouldn't be unfair. Would Wolverine ever be established as bisexual? ....You've got to be high on something if you think so. Superhero leading characters like Superman, Spider-Man, Wolverine, Batman, Captain America, Wonder Woman, etc. are all heterosexual. So Storm, a top Marvel female has to be bisexual just because boys want her to be?
What's wrong with Marvel's top superheroine being bisexual? You claim that you're not saying it would be wrong for her to be bisexual, but your entire post suggests something else entirely.

Not fair, not balance, and not necessary. It's ridiculous, really. I think you're all just porno freaks trying to make the most out of comics books.
You're really beginning to sound very ignorant. Sexual orientation isn't just about sex.

Being bisexual would really make Storm's strength less interesting, I think. Strong women who are feminine are rare, and she does a great job at that. If she were established as bisexual, then people would start to think she's strong only because she has masculine feelings and interests. Her strength would then be too cliche and boring.
And the ignorance continues...

Christopher O

10-24-2007, 12:00 PM

Kalen O.

10-24-2007, 12:03 PM

Do a little research, and you'll discover that the suggestion of Iceman being gay is a bigger hot button around here than Storm's sexuality.

STFU HE'S NOT GAY YOU BASTARD! HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU PEOPLE!!

....I mean, what?

RoguishGurl

10-24-2007, 12:05 PM

Being bisexual would really make Storm's strength less interesting, I think. Strong women who are feminine are rare, and she does a great job at that. If she were established as bisexual, then people would start to think she's strong only because she has masculine feelings and interests. Her strength would then be too cliche and boring.

One quick question, how would Storm being bisexual make her masculine? Being bisexual would not make a woman less feminine. That's just a bad stereotype on women who are interested in the same sex.

Joe Acro

10-24-2007, 12:05 PM

What's wrong with Marvel's top superheroine being bisexual?
It would actually parallel quite nicely. DC's top female superheroine is bisexual.

GoingGreen

10-24-2007, 12:09 PM

@Deus ex Chris: Well, I'm used to the UXN forum. I think I'm the only person on that forum that believes ICeman is completely straight, lol.

Tazirai

10-24-2007, 12:19 PM

At least everyone can agree that the idea of "omega" mutants isn't worth caring about.

Hear Hear. Im sick of Omega levels. Im hoping that whatever level storm is she stays that way.
I love the character personally not because we share race. But because she is dynamic and not overly sexualized. Like my Actual favorite heroine.
Storm will never get the Psylocke shaft so to speak. She is a symbol of mutantkind and to a lesser degree black heroes.
But I honestly think those that look strictly at her race, Are just looking ather race. If that makes sense.

GoddessStorm

10-24-2007, 12:24 PM

What's offensive about it?

Subtext is a legitimate part of the arts. Not everything is surface level.
Well it should be in a case like this. Lingering speculation is not enough to "confirm" that Storm is bisexual. We will need a solid, indisputable answer for that.

Her heart's desire was to be with Yukio. I think there's something to that.
I have a best friend and feel the same way about her. There's no one in the world I have felt closer with. Am I bisexual?

I assure romantic feelings don't always equate with sexual feelings.

Being a homosexual male, I can assure you that sex appeal isn't a motivation.
No, not for you. But for the lipstick lesbian-loving boys that read these books... it IS.

So bisexual women aren't whole? Bisexuality spoils women? Is that what you're saying?
No, it just spoils the character as a woman, not women in general. I'm talking about Storm individually. Her strength will become cliche if she turns out bisexual and her dominant qualities will become cliche as well. Her entire feminist nature would be lost cuz a "hot lady" who likes sex with other girls would just be a man-pleasing character now.

Colossus was confirmed as homosexual not bisexual.
You know what I meant to say. They have homosexual attraction towards others.

Because long hair doesn't necessarily look gay. Storm's makeover, however, was very butch.
Well then, thank god Storm looks like a goddess of femininity most of the time.

What's wrong with Marvel's top superheroine being bisexual? You claim that you're not saying it would be wrong for her to be bisexual, but your entire post suggests something else entirely.
What's wrong with it is that it would be sexist.

Don't deny that guys love lesbian fantasies. Are male leading characters bisexual? So if a woman becomes the first bisexual of any top superhero characters, that won't strike you as sexist considering most comic book readers are males?

You're really beginning to sound very ignorant. Sexual orientation isn't just about sex.
I don't care how I sound to you.

I'm sorry, but if it were to fat ole ugly lady or a lady with no charisma who turned out bisexual, I wouldn't mind. But of all the female characters, they choose the highly attractive, strong and powerful Storm? That to me seems a little too sexual-based, if you ask me.

Tell me, what wouldn't be sexist about Storm being bisexual? For what reasons other than sex appeal could this be established for? What good would it do the character and girls like me that look up to her as a role model? As if the media doesn't encourage pretty girls to kiss and experiment with each other enough, now we have to receive that message from the feminist character, Storm?

DarthCyclopsRLZ

10-24-2007, 12:47 PM

Tell me, what wouldn't be sexist about Storm being bisexual? For what reasons other than sex appeal could this be established for? What good would it do the character and girls like me that look up to her as a role model? As if the media doesn't encourage pretty girls to kiss and experiment with each other enough, now we have to receive that message from the feminist character, Storm?

For the love of...

THEY didn't. Claremont did. Like him or not, he kinda *has* to know a thing or two about what makes Storm tick.

There's no bloody conspiracy.

If anything, THEY tried to cover up CC's obvious true intentions for the character. Hell, homosexuals should be pissed off. Not offended heteros or "feminists".

bluedmighty

10-24-2007, 01:01 PM

Just because ANYTHING is possible doesn't mean I wouldn't be sure, unless you're willing to be a person who isn't sure of ANYTHING.[/B]

With recent discoveries in my life, about the only thing i'm SURE of is my complection. :D

Okay, so Charlie X lied. And also somehow used cerebro to find her anyway. Aaaaaaaaaaand when they were stuck on Magneto's island that made mutants powerless, Charlie didn't think to use her immunity as an advantage (probably to cover up the lie, even though Magneto was threatening the whole planet)? And then what? Shadow King lied? Beast lied? Emma also lied? Dr. Doom lied? Forge also lied (his nullifier does work on non-mutant powers, but he still cared for her medically and noted she had mutant genes)? And all the many Sentinals that have analyzed her have lied as well (programed to lie)? And Nimrod went along with it too? And when she was de-aged (on more than one occassion) before puberty and thus lost her mutant powers that age was, coincidentally, the same time she spontaneously developed magical powers? And Magneto's anti-mutant device and Leech's power both had psychological effects as if it was a mutant power? And since Leech jumped on her from behind causing her to fall from the sky before she ever knew what Leech's power was, that's quite a placebo effect indeed! Perhaps her magic sense informed her of Leech's power in advance in order to trigger psychological cruch that she's actually a mutant? Whatever. I have no problem with her also learning magic, but not being a mutant? That's a heck of a lot of proof to retcon away, and, your fan fiction aside, I'm not holding my breath. She's more likely to be a Skrull.
[/B]

Granted there would be alot of work to do (she is 30 something). However, I beleive that in the intrest of good story telling that it is "Do-able".

The way:

Jean Grey's Mutation, instead of granting her TP and LIMITED TK, NOW puts her in command of the fundamental force of life and creation of all the Galaxy AND multiverse (wtf)

Cable's worst enemy was himself. From the Future.

Rachel

The Master of "Magnetism" being The Master of "The Unified Theory"

Scott's Optic Blasts are "really" windows to another dimension

Vulcan and everything else that happened on Krokoa

Angel can heal people with his blood

Colossus is now Class 100 not class 70 or 80

Beast is now the Blue Lion

Psilocke

Sage

Warpath flying

The Immortal Wolverine

Emma's being an Xman (WTF). Using TP while in Diamond form.

Cannonball shooting concussive force from his hands

Ice Man FREEZING a nuclear explosion. Ice Man FREEZING cosmic blasts from the Stanger.

ETC.

Was all "Do-able"

So yes,

from a writters perspective the rules seem to be:

If you like'um, hook'um up.

I'm just Lobbying for my favorite character :D

Nyssane

10-24-2007, 01:08 PM

I wonder if Storm was white, if she'd be as popular as she is today. It's interesting because I think she would be, whereas if Dazzler were black, she'd probably wouldn't have all the cult fans that she has on this board and others.

In conclusion, Dazzler fans are RACISTS.

DaeJi

10-24-2007, 01:10 PM

I agree with everything that has ever been said about Storm. EVERYTHING.

pariah-1972

10-24-2007, 03:29 PM

Oh jeez i guess i will put my two cents in .
Is she a better leader than Cyclops? i would say yes if it wasnt for her abandoning the morlocks, thereby causing the morlock massacre.
but i do think she makes a great queen and is better at inspiring people than Cyclops, who people follow but a lot of people i'm sure would prefer Storm cause shes likeable and doesn't cheat and treat people badly and doesn't have as many issues.

Is she bisexual? i personally haven't seen any evidence to suggest she is... if Yukio is her "one true love" whom she wants to spend her lifetime with, whats stopping her from doing so?
i have nothing against her being bi sexual tho.

Is she a Goddess? the people in africa think she is, i'm inclined to think she might be, and it could easily happen and i would probably believe it.

Is she Omega level? i was under the impression that Thor had better Weather manipulating powers than her? i know i read that somewhere.. of course if she turns out to be a goddess then she will probably be beyond omega level or she wouldn't even be considered a mutant anymore.

Is she beyond race? I used to think so but lately and unfortunately i'm not so sure anymore.:(

Who is her true love?Panther for right now but considering most people in comics don't stay married forever it makes me wonder if that will change?
i guess she could be divorced from panther but deep down inside still love him.

As for the reasons why shes controversial? it's pretty obvious that if you give a fictional african character white hair and blue eyes, it's going to cause some controversy in the african american community since those genetic traits aren't found naturally.
it's also hard to keep her history straight so a lot of people get confused and can't figure out if shes African, African American ,Egyptian or Kenyan.
or possibly someone who was born and raised in egypt but has african heritage...
:confused:

Push You Down

10-24-2007, 04:11 PM

wait.. I'm super confused... is the entire basis for thinking Storm might be bi this line about her "hearts desire to be back in Tokyo with Yukio"?

Seems flimsy evidence at best.

tangentman

10-24-2007, 04:33 PM

wait.. I'm super confused... is the entire basis for thinking Storm might be bi this line about her "hearts desire to be back in Tokyo with Yukio"?

Seems flimsy evidence at best.

Only to those who settle for superficial interpretation of the text.

Push You Down

10-24-2007, 06:05 PM

Porcelain

10-24-2007, 06:16 PM

No, not for you. But for the lipstick lesbian-loving boys that read these books... it IS.

No, it just spoils the character as a woman, not women in general. I'm talking about Storm individually. Her strength will become cliche if she turns out bisexual and her dominant qualities will become cliche as well. Her entire feminist nature would be lost cuz a "hot lady" who likes sex with other girls would just be a man-pleasing character now.

I changed my av back, just for you.

You don't overcome stereotypes & cliches by banning an entire sexual orientation from someone just because they happen to be strong, beautiful and popular. Has it ever occurred to you that the very qualities you admire could actually help transcend and destroy the homophobic clichés (strength, dominance = dyke, or, girl/girl is only an erotic fantasy) you're so scared of?

Don't deny that guys love lesbian fantasies. Are male leading characters bisexual? So if a woman becomes the first bisexual of any top superhero characters, that won't strike you as sexist considering most comic book readers are males?

I don't care how I sound to you.

I'm sorry, but if it were to fat ole ugly lady or a lady with no charisma who turned out bisexual, I wouldn't mind. But of all the female characters, they choose the highly attractive, strong and powerful Storm? That to me seems a little too sexual-based, if you ask me.

Tell me, what wouldn't be sexist about Storm being bisexual? For what reasons other than sex appeal could this be established for? What good would it do the character and girls like me that look up to her as a role model? As if the media doesn't encourage pretty girls to kiss and experiment with each other enough, now we have to receive that message from the feminist character, Storm?
I'm female, straight and even come boxed with a decent level of intelligence. Oh and I also like the current Ms Marvel outfit. The day women should be covered up, or denied the freedom of choice regarding their sexuality/any aspect of their being because the big dirty men might get all horny and not be able to control themselves (and therefore the women should somehow have more self respect and/or cover up/not be whatever it is that's causing such lack of self control in the opposite sex) is the day I start lobbying for national castration schemes - and some days, I get awful close to enacting localised ones. If guys want to get off on something, the only person that should reflect on is the guy.

You know what I liked about the Yukio thing? Can't believe I'm about to quote Brubaker but...it was open to interpretation. I liked having the possibility that Storm doesn't just see beyond skin colour, she might see beyond gender in the relationship arena too.
_________________________

I might be living under a rock, but er if #1 DC Female Superhero - does that mean Wonderwoman's gay/bi? Or is it Supergirl or Catwoman? :confused:

tangentman

10-24-2007, 06:42 PM

Or that Storm has been known to use flowery and overly dramatic language before and this is no different than reading old letters written by people two hundreds years ago where there would often be such proclamations of devotion and "love" amongst platonic friend and compatriots.

If this ONE instance is all people are going on.... Wouldn't stand up in even a first year college lit class.

I don't buy the "platonic romance" slant that you're pitching. I'm not just going on UXM Annual 11 alone. What about the actual story that inspired Storm's heart's desire, when she first met Yukio in Tokyo? Where would Storm drastically changing her appearance and outlook because of Yukio's influence fit in with "gushing 19th Century letters"? Kitty met Storm's change with great vehemence, not unlike the way families and friends might react to one's coming out.

A first year college lit class of quality would consider criticism from diverse schools of thought--including "Queer Theory". ;)

Magneto X

10-25-2007, 09:58 AM

Has it ever occurred to you that the very qualities you admire could actually help transcend and destroy the homophobic clichés (strength, dominance = dyke, or, girl/girl is only an erotic fantasy) you're so scared of?

Yukio had a tremendous affect on Ororo, who rejected her identity because she had so much admiration and affection for this wild woman. Ororo's dreamed and longed for her. However, it is also possible that, given Storm's past of getting mostly with men (Forge and T'Chala in particular), that Storm is NOT generally bisexual, but open-minded enough in her orientation that when Yukio is around (or in Ororo's dreams), Ororo is very much gay for Yukio. And, while Ororo may be very much gay for Yukio and she might want to please and be pleased by Yukio, when push-comes-to-shove, Ororo might not be able to complete the physical act. I can imagine her letting Yukio get on her, and wanting to reciprocate, but that momen would be very telling as to whether Storm could or if she would enjoy it. Does that make Ororo bi or not bi? I don't think it matters. She's bi enough to fall in a serious love and longing for a hot queer woman. But it's not yet been shown that she's bi enough to go down on Yukio. Whatever. Sexuality is a spectrum.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f106/vancegathing/OroroTChala.jpg

Alan2099

10-25-2007, 10:16 AM

If this ONE instance is all people are going on.... Wouldn't stand up in even a first year college lit class.

I'd really question any first year college lit class that's examining the sexuality of comicbook characters for subtext.

By the way, that picture of the African man and woman, am I the only one that just thinks it's a tad freaky looking. The eyes on that woman just look far too large for the otherwise realitic style that the picture shows.

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 10:45 AM

I'd really question any first year college lit class that's examining the sexuality of comicbook characters for subtext.

By the way, that picture of the African man and woman, am I the only one that just thinks it's a tad freaky looking. The eyes on that woman just look far too large for the otherwise realitic style that the picture shows.I agree but i didn;t want to say anything to offend anyone.
i think it shows how large the anime influence has become .

DoctorDoom

10-25-2007, 11:00 AM

WHy do people think that she was bi-sexual?

Push You Down

10-25-2007, 11:13 AM

...I will say upfront Ive never read the issue in question (seriously this was in one issue?) but this sounds like infatuation.. even a crush. But you know what, people- men and women get "crushes" on members of the same sex all the time.. doesn't mean they are gay or bi. Seinfeld based an entire episode on the concept of a "man crush". George met a guy who lived a life that George himself really envied. George began to dress like him and talk like him but never once did you get the impression that George wanted to go full bore gay with him. It could concievably be not a romantic feeling for Yukio but rather an infaturation with someone who lives a life that Storm herself is enamored with.

Really, all I am saying is one incident doens't make someone "bi" otherwise half the college female population ofthe united states would be considered bi.
How often does she bring up Yukio? Was there any mention (thought ballons or whatever) of her while courting Forge or Black Panther. Was this an issue at all in an of the alternate universes we've seen her in?

It's flimsy and silly to go off one incident when there are far more incidents of the opposite to go on.

DaeJi

10-25-2007, 11:47 AM

Actually, I like that the issue of Storm being bi-sexual or not is up in the air. It adds a layer to her, a blank that the fans have to fill in with their own interpation. I hope it's not answered, just hinted at, allowing fans to have their own input into her. Of course it works better without her being married, but I really hope that somewhere down the line Joe Q realizes he's breaking up the wrong marriage and turns his sights to Storm's.

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 11:54 AM

It's flimsy and silly to go off one incident when there are far more incidents of the opposite to go on.
It's one incident that informs all the other interactions with Yukio, which happens all the time in the arts and in real life. It's just putting the pieces of the puzzle together.

The Cool Thatguy

10-25-2007, 12:03 PM

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 12:16 PM

WHy do people think that she was bi-sexual?

I think it's because some feel the need to have something or someone to identify with. Asexual, Bisexual, Heterosexual, Homosexual -- does it matter? Personally I don't see Ororo, or Yukio in that light and, wouldn't care either way if they were.

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 12:18 PM

I think it's because some feel the need to have something or someone to identify with. Asexual, Bisexual, Heterosexual, Homosexual -- does it matter? Personally I don't see Ororo, or Yukio in that light and, wouldn't care either way if they were.
How do you explain the heterosexual fans who see her as bisexual? This isn't just a group of homesexuals pushing an agenda. There is textual evidence to support the notion. Granted, that evidence isn't explicit, but it's still there.

xgeek52

10-25-2007, 12:35 PM

okay, here's the deal...ororo was going through trial and tribulations after she lost her powers...yukio was an important part of her life then and even after she got her powers back...

i'm not saying there was no sexual attraction, i'm saying ororo munroe is who she is -- a complicated woman who emotions a key to her mutation...if she's attracted to a woman -- so the fracking what...

she was yukio's friend, jean's friend and kinda a surrogate mother to jubliee and especially kitty...and if marvel ever gets a clue one of the future leaders of the school...

and while i'm not a fan of the current story line involving t'calla, she's married to the man...

'nuf said...

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 02:28 PM

How do you explain the heterosexual fans who see her as bisexual? This isn't just a group of homesexuals pushing an agenda. There is textual evidence to support the notion. Granted, that evidence isn't explicit, but it's still there.

Hmmmm:confused: Errr... The question was "Why do people think that she was bi-sexual?" I didn't say she was and I, surely didn't say she wasn't. I said, I don't see it personally. Thus, my askings, "Does it matter?" Maybe I, should have ended it with. "She is who she is." instead. (My mistake I, was not very clear.)

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 02:34 PM

Chris .. where are the hetero fans that think Storm is bi?
i don't think i'm seeing it, but then its really hard to keep track of who's straight and who's gay on this board.

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 02:37 PM

Hmmmm:confused: Errr... The question was "Why do people think that she was bi-sexual?" I didn't say she was and I, surely didn't say she wasn't. I said, I don't see it personally. Thus, my askings, "Does it matter?" Maybe I, should have ended it with. "She is who she is." instead. (My mistake I, was not very clear.)
How is this even relevant to what I posted? You're focusing on the wrong part of your post. Try the first sentence. That's what prompted me to respond.

Greg Anderson

10-25-2007, 02:38 PM

its really hard to keep track of who's straight and who's gay on this board.

Heh heh, I know what you mean.

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 02:39 PM

Heh heh, I know what you mean.Yeah it gets mighty confusing and frustrating trying to keep track of whos who on here:o

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 02:42 PM

Chris .. where are the hetero fans that think Storm is bi?
Several have posted in this thread and others.

i don't think i'm seeing it, but then its really hard to keep track of who's straight and who's gay on this board.

Well, you can always go bitch about it on the YABS board, right?

Pach!

10-25-2007, 02:44 PM

Storm is bi and she is proud!

(I'm straight)

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 02:47 PM

Several have posted in this thread and others.

Well, you can always go bitch about it on the YABS board, right?That was my evil clone !

GoddessStorm

10-25-2007, 02:49 PM

Has it ever occurred to you that the very qualities you admire could actually help transcend and destroy the homophobic clichés (strength, dominance = dyke, or, girl/girl is only an erotic fantasy) you're so scared of?
I'm not seeing it that way.

Top superhero characters have always been heterosexual to date. If a top female becomes the first bisexual in history, that'll strike me as being 100% sexist.

DC and Marvel are usually in favor of giving their males leads all the glory and power. So what do you they give the females? ...Special sex qualities?

Uh... That doesn't strike you as sexist one bit?

DC's Wonder Woman has to where a stripper outfit, and now Marvel's Storm has to be bisexual?

Why not make Wolverine the first bisexual instead? Or Spider-Man? The Hulk? No, it has to be a woman.

That is so sexist.

And again, I know Storm is a role model to many girls who like the X-Men. Would it seem right to you for Storm to be another example of "It's okay for girls to kiss each other" in addition to all the lesbians exploited on TV for sex appeal reasons?

There's nothing wrong with girls being homosexual, but there IS something wrong being encouraged to experiment and be open-minded solely for the sexiness of it. I can't think of a meaningful purpose for Storm being bisexual aside from sex appeal.

The day women should be covered up, or denied the freedom of choice regarding their sexuality/any aspect of their being because the big dirty men might get all horny and not be able to control themselves is the day I start lobbying for national castration schemes - and some days, I get awful close to enacting localised ones. If guys want to get off on something, the only person that should reflect on is the guy.
You really overlook the difference in how men and women are portrayed in the media.

How many males are designed to appeal to women? As for as I know, hardly any. All the famous heroes are finely covered with no chests, thighs, or ass showing. Oh but now let's look at how women are designed.... Wonder Woman's outfit is obviously designed with regards to appeal to men. Elektra and that bathing suit... same thing.

The list can go on and on of how many females are designed to be "sexy" for the guys, and it bothers me when women like you don't see anything wrong or unfair about that.

You know what I liked about the Yukio thing? Can't believe I'm about to quote Brubaker but...it was open to interpretation. I liked having the possibility that Storm doesn't just see beyond skin colour, she might see beyond gender in the relationship arena too.
Well good for you that you like open-minded female characters. However, top male characters are never portrayed that way, so there's clearly something biased going on, and I happen to dislike it very much.

GoingGreen

10-25-2007, 03:19 PM

I'm not seeing it that way.

Top superhero characters have always been heterosexual to date. If a top female becomes the first bisexual in history, that'll strike me as being 100% sexist.

DC and Marvel are usually in favor of giving their males leads all the glory and power. So what do you they give the females? ...Special sex qualities?

Uh... That doesn't strike you as sexist one bit?

Uuhhmm, just because Storm might be bisexual does NOT mean she's going to suddenly turn into some sexual fiend.

DC's Wonder Woman has to where a stripper outfit, and now Marvel's Storm has to be bisexual?

Why not make Wolverine the first bisexual instead? Or Spider-Man? The Hulk? No, it has to be a woman.

That is so sexist.

Why does it matter who is "gay" first. It's not supposed to be a fad. You're argument seems rather immature in this place. If it was anyone else other than Storm, you wouldn't feel so abrasive about it, I'm sure. We have 1 lesbian female in Marvel, who's been shoved off into limbo. However, we have a few notable homosexual males who are or have made it rather big. Northstar wasn't even given a second glance until Austen took him and really outed that aspect of him. Storm being bi would NOT be a sexist thing, imo.

And again, I know Storm is a role model to many girls who like the X-Men. Would it seem right to you for Storm to be another example of "It's okay for girls to kiss each other" in addition to all the lesbians exploited on TV for sex appeal reasons?

There's nothing wrong with girls being homosexual, but there IS something wrong being encouraged to experiment and be open-minded solely for the sexiness of it. I can't think of a meaningful purpose for Storm being bisexual aside from sex appeal.

Right, nothing meaningful could come out of Storm's possible bisexuality. Because RL current political issues are NEVER brought into marvel... >.>

How many males are designed to appeal to women? As for as I know, hardly any. All the famous heroes are finely covered with no chests, thighs, or ass showing. Oh but now let's look at how women are designed.... Wonder Woman's outfit is obviously designed with regards to appeal to men. Elektra and that bathing suit... same thing. What about Iceman's boxerbrief uniform? What about Namor and his convenient scales? What about DC's Hawkman wearing next to nothing all over the place. And don't act as if Marvel males are never shown bare... they show just as much flesh as women do. I mean, Cannonball is pretty much nude in ... 204 is it? C'mon now.

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 03:29 PM

How is this even relevant to what I posted? You're focusing on the wrong part of your post. Try the first sentence. That's what prompted me to respond.

Ah... Forgive me. Because they want to? There's nothing wrong with personal perception. But, then why isn't the same perception applied the Jean Grey? After all she was Ororo's best friend.

GoingGreen

10-25-2007, 03:31 PM

Maybe that's why Lorna and Jean stopped being BFFs... Jean kept hitting on Lorna. xD

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 03:34 PM

Ah... Forgive me. Because they want to? There's nothing wrong with personal perception. But, then why isn't the same perception applied the Jean Grey? After all she was Ororo's best friend.
Yes, well, I'm gay, but that doesn't make all of my friends gay. Ororo and Jean have been portrayed differently. They aren't the same characters, just as my friends and I aren't the same person. I didn't realize that needed explaining.

GoddessStorm

10-25-2007, 03:46 PM

Uuhhmm, just because Storm might be bisexual does NOT mean she's going to suddenly turn into some sexual fiend.
That's true, however....

Why does it matter who is "gay" first.
Because everyone knows that the stars like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Wolverine would never be established as gay or bi. So why does the first top star to be bisexual have to be a female?

If it was anyone else other than Storm, you wouldn't feel so abrasive about it, I'm sure.
No, it would bother me if it were also Invisible Woman, Jean Grey, Elektra, or other top females that are highly publicized because we don't need anymore bisexual women in the media. There are already plently and usually end up being exploited for the sexiness they can offer men.

Storm being bisexual would lead to a wave of stupid comments and rumors about her orientation across the Web, for a start. You don't think girls get picked on for sex?

We have 1 lesbian female in Marvel, who's been shoved off into limbo. However, we have a few notable homosexual males who are or have made it rather big. Northstar wasn't even given a second glance until Austen took him and really outed that aspect of him. Storm being bi would NOT be a sexist thing, imo.
And are those characters ever front and center characters?

Exactly.... no. Otherwise, they'd make more news.

Right, nothing meaningful could come out of Storm's possible bisexuality. Because RL current political issues are NEVER brought into marvel...
Mystique is already bisexual and she's not treated like some political issue or debate. How would Storm be any different?

What about Iceman's boxerbrief uniform? What about Namor and his convenient scales? What about DC's Hawkman wearing next to nothing all over the place. And don't act as if Marvel males are never shown bare... they show just as much flesh as women do. I mean, Cannonball is pretty much nude in ... 204 is it? C'mon now.
So you're saying male and female characters are equally designed to be sexy?

Either you're not paying enough attention or you don't care. Look at mere sex objects like Emma Frost and the Enchantress. Where are the submissive, seductive male sex sluts that compensate for characters like them?

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 03:54 PM

How many males are designed to appeal to women? As for as I know, hardly any.

Then, if I may suggest... The 1985 deluxe edition of OHOTMU? (If you can still find it.) There are many scantly clad males to look at there.

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 03:57 PM

Yes, well, I'm gay, but that doesn't make all of my friends gay. Ororo and Jean have been portrayed differently. They aren't the same characters, just as my friends and I aren't the same person. I didn't realize that needed explaining.

Nevermind. I see you are starting to take this personally.

(BTW how do you delete a post? Anyone?)

GoingGreen

10-25-2007, 04:00 PM

Because everyone knows that the stars like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and Wolverine would never be established as gay or bi. So why does the first top star to be bisexual have to be a female?

Statistically, 1 out of every hundred men are homosexual. Not sure about females, but I do believe it is somewhat less. Homosexuality goes hand in hand with other issues, like race. None of the heroes you listed above are anything but caucasion, hetero males. The same issue can be seen all over media. That's just how it is.

Storm being bisexual would lead to a wave of stupid comments and rumors about her orientation across the Web, for a start. You don't think girls get picked on for sex? When did I say females don't get 'picked' on about sex? I didn't. Women are sexually assalted all the time. However, people picked on Iceman and now Cannonball far more than I've ever seen them picking on Storm. *shrugs*

And are those characters ever front and center characters?

As I stated, Northstar gained CONSIDERABLE popularity for his portrayal under Austen (of all people). He might not have his own solo, at the moment, but who knows what will happen in the future?

Mystique is already bisexual and she's not treated like some political issue or debate. How would Storm be any different?

I didn't say that Storm would be the issue ITSELF. What I meant was that an outed Storm would discuss HER political views on this subject matter FAR more, and I doubt it would lead to some perverted joke. Mystique is a VILLAIN. Her character would be too tired fighting the evil fight 'in the name of all bisexual women!'... no.

Either you're not paying enough attention or you don't care. Look at mere sex objects like Emma Frost and the Enchantress. Where are the submissive, seductive male sex sluts that compensate for characters like them?

Honestly, the demographic of comic fans are primarily males, and have always been. However, in the nineties (I don't think in the eighties or 00's...) they did a series of swimsuit pinups featuring BOTH male and female characters. *shrugs.*

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 04:00 PM

Nevermind. I see you are starting to take this personally.
No, I'm not taking it personally. Ignorance just gets tedious, which is why I've stopped interacting with GoddessStorm.

Pach!

10-25-2007, 04:03 PM

Batman is gay.

Kalen O.

10-25-2007, 04:09 PM

You lost me for good at "there doesn't need to be any more bisexual women in the media."

Whoops, my bad, I thought we were living in the 21st century. I forgot we still had upper limits on how many homosexuals we allowed in the public eye.

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 04:12 PM

No, I'm not taking it personally. Ignorance just gets tedious, which is why I've stopped interacting with GoddessStorm.

:confused: Truly, I'm sorry if I gave you that impression.

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 04:20 PM

:confused: Truly, I'm sorry if I gave you that impression.
Oh, you're fine. Stop being so nice.

RoguishGurl

10-25-2007, 04:26 PM

Oh, you're fine. Stop being so nice.

Aw, Chris, we need more nice people on these boards.

xmanson

10-25-2007, 04:46 PM

What a mess this thread is. Don't stop.

Porcelain

10-25-2007, 04:56 PM

I'm not seeing it that way.

Top superhero characters have always been heterosexual to date. If a top female becomes the first bisexual in history, that'll strike me as being 100% sexist.

DC and Marvel are usually in favor of giving their males leads all the glory and power. So what do you they give the females? ...Special sex qualities?

Uh... That doesn't strike you as sexist one bit?

DC's Wonder Woman has to where a stripper outfit, and now Marvel's Storm has to be bisexual?

Why not make Wolverine the first bisexual instead? Or Spider-Man? The Hulk? No, it has to be a woman.

That is so sexist.

And again, I know Storm is a role model to many girls who like the X-Men. Would it seem right to you for Storm to be another example of "It's okay for girls to kiss each other" in addition to all the lesbians exploited on TV for sex appeal reasons?

There's nothing wrong with girls being homosexual, but there IS something wrong being encouraged to experiment and be open-minded solely for the sexiness of it. I can't think of a meaningful purpose for Storm being bisexual aside from sex appeal.

You really overlook the difference in how men and women are portrayed in the media.

How many males are designed to appeal to women? As for as I know, hardly any. All the famous heroes are finely covered with no chests, thighs, or ass showing. Oh but now let's look at how women are designed.... Wonder Woman's outfit is obviously designed with regards to appeal to men. Elektra and that bathing suit... same thing.

The list can go on and on of how many females are designed to be "sexy" for the guys, and it bothers me when women like you don't see anything wrong or unfair about that.

Well good for you that you like open-minded female characters. However, top male characters are never portrayed that way, so there's clearly something biased going on, and I happen to dislike it very much.
Suits so tight you can see sunlight out of the arses? Biceps the size of footballs? Underpants on the outside - hello crotch attention. Bulging "packages". Nope never could accuse those asexual male heros of ever being objectified.

Honestly by your "reasoning", it would only ever be ok for a 'top' female character to be homosexual if a male one was first. Maybe we should revoke their right to vote too? All that poltical power in poor female hands might start a vertiable riot in those beasty horomonal fan boys.

Stating that a female character being gay has no meaning beyond a superficial sexualised fantasy (and therefore inferring that they should only be portrayed as 100% straight) is disturbing, demeaning, degoratory and dangerously homophobic. I understand what angle you're aiming for, but do you honestly think there are fanboys shooting off to Destiny? Or are only the non prominant and the not-drop-dead-gorgeous females allowed to be anything other than straight?

All this over an unconfirmed allusion that referred to emotions from 20 years ago - a time when the EIC enforced a total ban on gay characters in Marvel. Since then? 2/3rds of all confirmed LGB characters in Marvel are male. Ironic really.

Novaya Havoc

10-25-2007, 05:09 PM

At least everyone can agree that the idea of "omega" mutants isn't worth caring about.

Dazzler is an Omega.

Arilou

10-25-2007, 05:20 PM

You know, I can sort of see both sides.

I think Claremont intended for Storm to be bisexual. I also think that in part he did it because Claremont is a perv like that. But that's not really relevant.

I can identify both with the gay community's (and others who sympathize) desire to see more of "their own" in the media. I can also understand how a woman might feel that the sexual orientation of said character is used as a gimmick.

So yeah, it's an interesting discussion, if everyone would just calm down a bit, because while I think it essentially boils down to an emotional reaction on some level I think it would be a good idea to try to make our arguments more clear, because I'm really interested in both positions.

bluedmighty

10-25-2007, 06:05 PM

Agreed.

That beeing said,

I would not rule out the possiblity that she MAY have had an "experience" with another woman.

But,

such was never hinted at on panel and, if discovered, should not affect her marriage.

shaunyc56

10-25-2007, 06:10 PM

xmanson

10-25-2007, 06:12 PM

ZNOP

10-25-2007, 07:40 PM

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 07:43 PM

DarthCyclopsRLZ

10-25-2007, 07:46 PM

Just because she's bi it doesn't meanshe will cheat on Tcahlla with women.

A-freakin-men.

Bisexuals means one can be attracted to both. Has NOTHING to do with cheating.

And saying some charcater is gay/bi/whatever because the creator is a perv doesn't seem like a good way to call for objectivity and calm in a discussion, but that's just me.

Well, I'd agree if it was for anyone else. Refer to, say, Storm:The Arena. Die by the Sword's glorious fight scenes. The whole 'Sage bondage' motif. Emma and Rach wresting in a hot tub. And this isn't even the tip of the provierbal iceberg.

Not that I'm saying that's the reason why he did it, but CC totally qualifies.

Kalen O.

10-25-2007, 07:46 PM

To be honest a lot of people have noticed Claremonts obsession with bondage and S&m.

That's not what she was saying though. She was responding to the implication that he made Storm bisexual because he was a perv. As though that's the only possible reason for making a character bi.

pariah-1972

10-25-2007, 07:55 PM

Christopher O

10-25-2007, 08:51 PM

I've always thought of Storm as kind of Bi for fun, and that she had a girl crush on Yukio. If she's full blown BI it wouldn't bother me at all. It would bother T'challa I'm sure, or maybe not, seems interesting to me. Oh and SHE SHOULD STAY MARRIED TO BP EITHER WAY.

I care more for her now than just the token backround shading she used to be.
I actually agree that she should stay married to T'Challa. I haven't particularly liked the way it's been handled, but I think it's a nice change for Storm. However, that doesn't mean she can't be bisexual--or even above labels, given her lack of exposure to Western notions of sexuality during her formative years. It isn't like one negates the other. She can be attracted to members of both sexes and still be married to someone of the opposite sex. It doesn't demean her, her marriage, or her husband.

Magneto X

10-25-2007, 10:08 PM

I've always thought of Storm as kind of Bi for fun, and that she had a girl crush on Yukio. If she's full blown BI it wouldn't bother me at all. It would bother T'challa I'm sure

Check out the latest Black Panther and you'll see how T'Chala worries about Ororo and Yukio.

Arilou

10-26-2007, 05:02 AM

That's not what she was saying though. She was responding to the implication that he made Storm bisexual because he was a perv. As though that's the only possible reason for making a character bi.

No, that's not what I said. I said that CLAREMONT made Storm bi because he's a perv (at least I think so) this has more to do with my impression of Claremont in particular than with bisexual characters in general.

For the record, I do think the subtext is pretty clear, but the fun thing about subtext is that you can ignore it if you want to.

Phil Hunn

10-26-2007, 05:23 AM

Why not make Wolverine the first bisexual instead?

Heh. Claremont originally intended Wolverine to be an "any port in a storm" kinda guy, you know.

Truth-fact.

Mystique is already bisexual and she's not treated like some political issue or debate. How would Storm be any different?

Er, you're saying that Mystique being bi isn't an issue. These days, I don't think Storm being bi would be an issue either.

So you're saying male and female characters are equally designed to be sexy?

Either you're not paying enough attention or you don't care. Look at mere sex objects like Emma Frost and the Enchantress. Where are the submissive, seductive male sex sluts that compensate for characters like them?

Havok being the Goblyn Queen's underpants-and-muscle-shirt-clad bitch springs to mind. Namor, Hercules, and Wolverine (who frequently ends up next to naked because of his costumes ripping) are also prime examples of beefcake art.

Just because she's bi it doesn't meanshe will cheat on Tcahlla with women.

Indeed so.

I actually agree that she should stay married to T'Challa. I haven't particularly liked the way it's been handled, but I think it's a nice change for Storm.

Agreed. The set-up for the "wedding of the century" was a hundred kinds of crap, but Storm being somewhere other than the X-Mansion has been good development for her. She's been on the team virtually since her introduction, and that's hardly been good for her.

shaunyc56

10-26-2007, 04:44 PM

Just because she's bi it doesn't meanshe will cheat on Tcahlla with women.

And saying some charcater is gay/bi/whatever because the creator is a perv doesn't seem like a good way to call for objectivity and calm in a discussion, but that's just me.

Oh, I don't think that just becaus someone's BI they can't be faithful. But a little tension would just make their relationship more interesting. Maybe a little insecurity in his relationship, a small crack in the BP armor when it comes to his wife. I feel T'challa should not be at a loss for contigency in battle, but at home, it could be cool.

GoddessStorm

10-28-2007, 01:32 AM

........
All I know is that a top superhero has never been bi or gay. There is no need for Storm to be bi, so for Marvel to establish her as bi would just be unfair because as I've already explained, it's usually the top males you are given most of the glory and reverence. So what do the top females have to receive? Special sexual qualities? I still find that completely sexist, even if they treat her case as a political one and none some slutty one.

Why her the first top character to be bi? She's already objectified quite often with certain costumes and whatnot, so to slap bisexuality on top of that would be like sky-rocketing her to an insanely vulnerable piece of man candy.

Anyway, until it's confirmed otherwise, Storm is of yet heterosexual, and that's the safest sexuality she can have to spare a great character from being treated like a pump any further.

Political issues won't save her from that. The fact that most comic readers are males is irrevelant.

You think the people that fill up the threaters when X-Men films are out are mostly men? Men and women like superhero media because it's usually good action material, and action is a very popular genre. So just cuz most of the readers are males doesn't mean they're the only viewers. I think it would be disgustingly sad to make a great role model for girls like Storm another example that "girls should kiss" crap that men slap all over TV.

With Storm's established and frequently regarded beauty, it feels bound to turn out that way. You do not turn a female comic book sex symbol into a bisexual without knowing some major and sad objectification is gonna take place.

GoddessStorm

10-28-2007, 01:36 AM

Double Post. Sorry

Flâneur

10-31-2008, 04:49 AM

It's time for the earth to move once more - whose opinion has changed on this? Why?

david r

10-31-2008, 08:54 AM

Storm having controversy is what sets her apart. Other comics character would DREAM to have her life and character growth. Ororo Munroe was blessed with a writer who did something with her, and moved her personality into places comics hadn't seen before.

Excelsior

10-31-2008, 09:28 AM

All I know is that a top superhero has never been bi or gay. There is no need for Storm to be bi, so for Marvel to establish her as bi would just be unfair because as I've already explained, it's usually the top males you are given most of the glory and reverence. So what do the top females have to receive? Special sexual qualities? I still find that completely sexist, even if they treat her case as a political one and none some slutty one.

Why her the first top character to be bi? She's already objectified quite often with certain costumes and whatnot, so to slap bisexuality on top of that would be like sky-rocketing her to an insanely vulnerable piece of man candy.

Anyway, until it's confirmed otherwise, Storm is of yet heterosexual, and that's the safest sexuality she can have to spare a great character from being treated like a pump any further.

Political issues won't save her from that. The fact that most comic readers are males is irrevelant.

You think the people that fill up the threaters when X-Men films are out are mostly men? Men and women like superhero media because it's usually good action material, and action is a very popular genre. So just cuz most of the readers are males doesn't mean they're the only viewers. I think it would be disgustingly sad to make a great role model for girls like Storm another example that "girls should kiss" crap that men slap all over TV.

With Storm's established and frequently regarded beauty, it feels bound to turn out that way. You do not turn a female comic book sex symbol into a bisexual without knowing some major and sad objectification is gonna take place.

The sexuality of Storm exists, but it should not define her. It would be a shame if that were to happen.

Some fans see her as Bi, and I concede there have been a few instances. But my standard for a relationship is more than a couple of one night stands. A romp in a whirlpool. That's just a booty call. (regardless of gender) Every love interest of Storm's has failed on that level, Forge, Yukio, and T'Challa.

With Forge--the romance was high-caliber yet the relationship had the traits of a fairy tale(idealized). It lacked substance. The characters seemed to be on another planet-there were no examples of serious commitment. Or the pragmatic compromises that all serious couples must deal with. Cyclops did not question Storm's commitment to the team. Forge continued to work with the gov't to depower mutants. (But it was true love right?)

With Yukio--she only seemed to interested in Storm's wild side. World events and mutant affairs she would not even consider. She claimed to want to be with Wolverine forever. Then chased Storm, then Gambit. Would Ororo chose to be with someone like this?

With T'challa--BP seemed to want Storm just to form some Wakandan dynasty. With little regard for her as a person. And yes Hudlin is to blame. Other writers are left the unenviable task of making the couple workl.

It is no wonder that the character's relationship IQ is boiled down to--Oh, Storm she's just bi or a tranny. There has been no evidence of an ability to maintain a relationship longer than a few months.