Is Mystique a Double Agent?

[protogarrett]

Methinks she is actually spying on Sinister for the X-Men. Discuss.

[Slant]

She's probably doing something, but not for the X Men.

[frog]

Yes, she's with Sinister for her own reasons, as evidenced from the X-men previews I've seen. I think she's there perhaps mainly for Rogue, not the X-Men as a group.

[Hi-Fi]

Mystique works only for herself. She might be playing for Rogue's benefit as well, in her twisted mind.

[worstblogever]

I would guess that Raven would even say, "I'm on the only side that matters. My own." Yeah, it's cliche, but that's what it'd probably be.

[DDM]

Mystique is always looking out for her own agenda.

[AnthonyJ]

Judging from previews, she's with Sinister to help Rogue. I'm guessing that she's not a double agent right now, and probably wasn't one when she joined the X-men, but that she might be induced to change sides rather easily.

[_Jayme_]

As others have said, she's only looking out for herself.

[Monty_Cristo]

she's working for Shortpack

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

she's working for Shortpack

Eh eh. Never gonna let go of that, eh?

And as for the actual thread, NO, Blue ain't.

[Alphaxman]

The thing with Raven is she’s nobody’s agent. She will use you to her own ends. If it looks like she’s working with or for you, she’s really not. No one should trust her, and the only one who could is dead. She’s a better manipulator then Emma on her best day. She's probably almost as old as Sinister and views ever one else as children. Stay out of grown folks business kids.

[North-Star]

Don't care!! (actually I do....)

Kill her off already!!

[frog]

Don't care!! (actually I do....)

Kill her off already!!

No way, she's more interesting than half the villians in the Marvel universe.

[Monty_Cristo]

Don't care!! (actually I do....)

Kill her off already!!

and bring her back as a Hand-zombie? no thanks. that would be boring. :)

[ProfeZZor X]

Her conversation with Iceman is only obvious... Especially about the part when he calls her rabid, and she tells him that he knows nothing about her. You don't have to read between the lines of that conversation to see that she has something planned.

[Cnh-]

Don't care!! (actually I do....)

Kill her off already!!

I'll kill you :mad:

[Samuraixsithlord]

In her own twisted sort of way she thinks she's doing what is best for Rogue and for the mutant race as a whole. I think her defection to the Marauders was genuine only becasue she believed that Sinister could help Rogue.

as for her feelings for Iceman, well he was shown to treat her like a human being despite everything she did in the past.

But seriously I think Rogue should finally off her at the end of Messiah Complex.

[North-Star]

No way, she's more interesting than half the villians in the Marvel universe.

Ofcourse since the X-men have been around for about 44 years things would get repetitive... But Mystique being a double agent, tripple agent.... It's done before. I'm not saying that MC is not writing her good, he's doing an amazing job, since it's keeping me interested in a character I detest. And she is interesting... I want her to go for her own plan. Not playing sidekick for Sinister too save Rogue by shooting her... This is in no way a Dumbledore-Snape like sacrifice relationship

but....

In my opinion she would be more interesting if the inner conflict she has (probably due to all the persona's she has been in her life) between being good or evil, not knowing where she's going is done with. It's time she makes a choice and stick with it. In other words; lose the baggage and go for that goal she has in mind. I want her to step up. Stop playing manipulative mind games with the people she loves...Cos Mystique does love... Let them fight for goals that don't coincide with her own, but still love them. We all want the scene between her and Kurt, that he tells her she's evil and that she acknowledges that. But because their different points of view it doesn't mean that she doesn't love him or Rogue.

I know it sounds Magneto-ish... But Mystique the leader should step up... Mystique the manipulator, hating Gambit is done with...

or maybe...

I'm feeling this way, because the writers did a really good thing this time by pairinh her up with Bobby and then knocking the team out cold...

whaa frustrating little bee-ach!

and so ends my Mystique monologue

[Monty_Cristo]

I know it sounds Magneto-ish... But Mystique the leader should step up... Mystique the manipulator, hating Gambit is done with...

or maybe...



that was where she was headed (before the series ended). she was forming her own Brotherhood and being more proactive than Magneto or Xavier. she was supposed to get a new love interest, as well.

p.s. i think her inner conflicts make her more interesting. i like that she's, chronologically, ancient but basically has the personality of a troubled high schooler. her selfishness is a byproduct of her abandonment issues, i would guess. she was forced to fend and survive at a young age. it's funny how she pretty much gave that life to Kurt, as well (although the circus was a "family"). she does love Rogue, in her own way. she's just "special-ed" when it comes to expressing it.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Actually like Blue, but Sins soooo has to off her if she keeps pissing him off like that.

I mean, really, which of the baddies would actually give a f**k? Closest thing would be Lady M. :eek:

[Mystique's Rogue]

No way, she's more interesting than half the villians in the Marvel universe.

Totally agree.

[Stix]

In her own twisted sort of way she thinks she's doing what is best for Rogue and for the mutant race as a whole. I think her defection to the Marauders was genuine only becasue she believed that Sinister could help Rogue.

as for her feelings for Iceman, well he was shown to treat her like a human being despite everything she did in the past..

I completely agree with that. Mystique is trying so hard to prove to Rogue that she is a good person and that she truly loves her as a daughter. She's just going about it all wrong.

But seriously I think Rogue should finally off her at the end of Messiah Complex

And this part I completely diagree with. You can't kill off Mystique. She is the only villain in the X-Universe who can compete with Magneto. She is part and parcel of X-lore and should attempt to reform the brotherhood. A decent one, not that pissy group that lasted 4 issues under Austen. I want Pyro back and Blob plumped up. That would be great...:o

[Monty_Cristo]

And this part I completely diagree with. You can't kill off Mystique. She is the only villain in the X-Universe who can compete with Magneto. She is part and parcel of X-lore and should attempt to reform the brotherhood. A decent one, not that pissy group that lasted 4 issues under Austen. I want Pyro back and Blob plumped up. That would be great...:o

i'd buy it! i think they need to de-crazy and repower Phantazia, as well.

[Magneto X]

i'd buy it! i think they need to de-crazy and repower Phantazia, as well.

Sure, but as a replacement for Mystique?







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[Erik Lehnsherr]

If she betrays Sinister, she's going to get killed. Carey pretty much assured us that she's not going to be a good girl again though. And there is one villian that blows Mystique out of the water in the X-Universe not named Magneto. His name? Sebastian Shaw. "Xavier. The X-Men. Shinobi. The Hellfire Club. They will all pay. What is mine..is mine. And what is theirs..is mine."

[XYagentguy]

Methinks she is actually spying on Sinister for the X-Men. Discuss.
I agree COMPLETELY.

The only thing I have a hard time swallowing is her shooting Rogue almost to death. Perhaps they are both in on it and Rogue made the ultimate sacrifice?

I have a sneaky suspicion Mystique will be joining X-Force. ;)

[Slant]

Given that Cyclops is the one who oversees X Force, I'd say its more of a possibility that she might be one of the people they're after. At least I hope so.

[Monty_Cristo]

Sure, but as a replacement for Mystique?









huh? no way. i meant as part of her team. actually, i think Raven should form a Sisterhood of Evil Mutants this time. Martinique Wyngarde, Marrow, Phantazia, Frenzy, etc.

If she betrays Sinister, she's going to get killed. Carey pretty much assured us that she's not going to be a good girl again though. And there is one villian that blows Mystique out of the water in the X-Universe not named Magneto. His name? Sebastian Shaw. "Xavier. The X-Men. Shinobi. The Hellfire Club. They will all pay. What is mine..is mine. And what is theirs..is mine."

nonsense. Sebastian is a misunderstood businessman-of-the-people.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

nonsense. Sebastian is a misunderstood businessman-of-the-people.

:D :D Hmmm...maybe he is.:evilsmile

[Home made ectoplasm]

If she'd killed Iceman when she had the chance, her still being a baddy would have been believable.

Killed him like Moira!

[Monty_Cristo]

If she'd killed Iceman when she had the chance, her still being a baddy would have been believable.

Killed him like Moira!

maybe he was a good lay. i'm certain that Moira wasn't; all stiff and with that horrible accent.

[Zombienorthstar]

I like Mystique as ambiguous, not really a villain or a hero but as someone who acts as she sees fit. Willing to do totally ruthless things for mutant supremacy. As such it made total sense to me that after M-Day she went with the most likely group to represent mutants after decimation ie. the X-Men and now has affiliated herself with the next person most likely to help ie. Sinister.

She's not just randomly villanous, she has a political agenda.

[XYagentguy]

I like Mystique as ambiguous, not really a villain or a hero but as someone who acts as she sees fit. Willing to do totally ruthless things for mutant supremacy. As such it made total sense to me that after M-Day she went with the most likely group to represent mutants after decimation ie. the X-Men and now has affiliated herself with the next person most likely to help ie. Sinister.

She's not just randomly villanous, she has a political agenda.
That would be an anti-hero! I think she's a good fit for the title, like Cat Woman.

[Zombienorthstar]

That would be an anti-hero! I think she's a good fit for the title, like Cat Woman.

Thanks for the literature lesson.

[Monty_Cristo]

i think Mystique's a good fit for a solo series.

[XYagentguy]

i think Mystique's a good fit for a solo series.
She did have one just a year ago!! lol. It didn't do well.

[Zombienorthstar]

I really enjoyed Raven's series under Vaughan (probably because he's a bloody brilliant writer) and i liked the concept of Xavier having secret agents.

BRING BACK SHORTPACK!!!!

[Monty_Cristo]

She did have one just a year ago!! lol. It didn't do well.

it hooked me, so it did something right. i think they should have kept Vaughan on.

[We R. Venom]

I think it would be cool if she was still working for Professor X.

[Monty_Cristo]

I really enjoyed Raven's series under Vaughan (probably because he's a bloody brilliant writer) and i liked the concept of Xavier having secret agents.

BRING BACK SHORTPACK!!!!

i'm working on going through the Siege Perilous, becoming a talented writer, and cranking out a new Mystique series. i'd give her more freedom this time and bring in some actual familiar villains ex. Lady Mastermind (taking up her dad's grudge w/ Raven) & the Hellfire Club. plus, a new euro-version of the Friends of Humanity, Ms. Marvel, the Host, Val Cooper, Shepherd, etc. but, more importantly, i'd stretch out her supporting cast and give her a few new relationships. she's be getting booty calls from Martinique Wyngarde, Jacqueline Gavin (formerly Jacob Gavin jr), Spiral, and possibly Risque(many of these characters would serve supporting roles as informants). i think she should be the female version of James Bond but a lot tougher. Forge and Shortpack would still be around, in some capacity. and, while Mystique is the primary agent, she would have a team of newbie recruits in tow for various missions (Vincente, Nocturne, Pulse, & Primal).

oh and she'd still be a morally gray character who will take down an anti-mutant racist but then look the other way when one of her friends (like the Toad or Avalanche) plan a terrorist hit of their own. and she'd probably be starting a new Brotherhood of Evil mutants behind Xavier's back. i'm thinking that Feverpitch or Abyss are good candidates for this one. now that i think about it, maybe Toad and Mystique should be a spy team. he seemed to be thinking of reforming. i could see him taking advantage of Xavier's hospitality.

I think it would be cool if she was still working for Professor X.

i don't think she was ever working for Xavier but i did love that set-up; him thinking that he was in control.

[We R. Venom]

i'm working on going through the Siege Perilous, becoming a talented writer, and cranking out a new Mystique series. i'd give her more freedom this time and bring in some actual familiar villains ex. Lady Mastermind (taking up her dad's grudge w/ Raven) & the Hellfire Club. plus, a new euro-version of the Friends of Humanity, Ms. Marvel, the Host, Val Cooper, Shepherd, etc. but, more importantly, i'd stretch out her supporting cast and give her a few new relationships. she's be getting booty calls from Martinique Wyngarde, Jacqueline Gavin (formerly Jacob Gavin jr), Spiral, and possibly Risque(many of these characters would serve supporting roles as informants). i think she should be the female version of James Bond but a lot tougher. Forge and Shortpack would still be around, in some capacity. and, while Mystique is the primary agent, she would have a team of newbie recruits in tow for various missions (Vincente, Nocturne, Pulse, & Primal).

oh and she'd still be a morally gray character who will take down an anti-mutant racist but then look the other way when one of her friends (like the Toad or Avalanche) plan a terrorist hit of their own. and she'd probably be starting a new Brotherhood of Evil mutants behind Xavier's back. i'm thinking that Feverpitch or Abyss are good candidates for this one.



i don't think she was ever working for Xavier but i did love that set-up; him thinking that he was in control.

Wasnt he in that solo she had? I don't know, i didnt read it.

[Monty_Cristo]

Wasnt he in that solo she had? I don't know, i didnt read it.

who, Xavier? yeah. what i'm talking about is him thinking that he was controlling her, when she was really playing him at every turn. Chuck is way too trusting. his own agent tells him that Mystique's an irredeemable psychopath and he brushs it off. :)

[We R. Venom]

who, Xavier? yeah. what i'm talking about is him thinking that he was controlling her, when she was really playing him at every turn. Chuck is way too trusting. his own agent tells him that Mystique's an irredeemable psychopath and he brushs it off. :)

I definitely need to read it then. Sounds good.

[Monty_Cristo]

I definitely need to read it then. Sounds good.

i think the TPB is cheaper than getting the individual issues. or you could get lucky, my shop over ordered and (eventually) half of the series was in the 50 cents bin.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Well they killed off Sabretooth. I can see them killing off Mystique. I'd like to see Rogue shoot her in the stomach about 5-7 times and watch her slowly bleed to death. For all the shit she's put Rogue through she deserves it

[Monty_Cristo]

Well they killed off Sabretooth. I can see them killing off Mystique. I'd like to see Rogue shoot her in the stomach about 5-7 times and watch her slowly bleed to death. For all the shit she's put Rogue through she deserves it

Sinister raped Cyclops' childhood. deserving to die doesn't mean they should. Mystique still has story potential, if you ask me. and i'm certain that they will kill her. i just think it would be a mistake.

[Hi-Fi]

I don't think Mystique will die at all.

[Monty_Cristo]

I don't think Mystique will die at all.

what's left for her? Destiny's dead. Pyro's dead. Blob's depowered. Rogue hates her. she's on the outs with the X-Men, the Acolytes, and Sinister. Forge no longer cares for her. all signs point to heroic sacrifice.

[Magneto X]

what's left for her? Destiny's dead. Pyro's dead. Blob's depowered. Rogue hates her. she's on the outs with the X-Men, the Acolytes, and Sinister. Forge no longer cares for her. all signs point to heroic sacrifice.

No. Then the mutant leadership is an all men's club: Magneto, Shaw, Exodus, Sinister, Xavier

[Hi-Fi]

what's left for her?
Rogue loving her. ;)

And Shortpack returning!

[Monty_Cristo]

No. Then the mutant leadership is an all men's club: Magneto, Shaw, Exodus, Sinister, Xavier

Cassandra Nova. and believe me, i don't want Mystique dead.

Rogue loving her. ;)

And Shortpack returning!

it'll never happen. they didn't even remember him for the 198 files or depowered list. that's like being limbo-bound w/ a little limbo added. :(

[Omega Alpha]

what's left for her? Destiny's dead. Pyro's dead. Blob's depowered. Rogue hates her. she's on the outs with the X-Men, the Acolytes, and Sinister. Forge no longer cares for her. all signs point to heroic sacrifice.

It's probably the best thing for her. Almost everything that can be done with the character was already done, and all the suggestions are her being a double agent, or reconciliation with Rogue, or working with Xavier again, etc, all character regression. Or even joining the X-men again, which is just ridiculous.

[XYagentguy]

It's probably the best thing for her. Almost everything that can be done with the character was already done, and all the suggestions are her being a double agent, or reconciliation with Rogue, or working with Xavier again, etc, all character regression. Or even joining the X-men again, which is just ridiculous.
She is so not gonna die, LOL.

[Omega Alpha]

She is so not gonna die, LOL.

Or maybe she will. And, like I said, if they keep doing the same thing over and over again with her, I wouldn't mind at all.

[Magneto X]

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Originally Posted by Magneto X
No. Then the mutant leadership is an all men's club: Magneto, Shaw, Exodus, Sinister, Xavier



Cassandra Nova.

Not really a mutant. Not really a leader.

and believe me, i don't want Mystique dead. :(

Yeah, I think there is much that can be done with her. I'm still in a period of relief that she just join the X-Men, cuz that would be lame. I want her to have a real team again outsmart everyone. She does evil with all the relish of a Selene or a Spiral, but with broader and more intersting goals. We need her.


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[Monty_Cristo]

Yeah, I think there is much that can be done with her. I'm still in a period of relief that she just join the X-Men, cuz that would be lame. I want her to have a real team again outsmart everyone. She does evil with all the relish of a Selene or a Spiral, but with broader and more intersting goals. We need her.
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i either want her to return to the spy role that she played in her solo series or recruit a new Brotherhood. i just don't know where she's at motivation-wise, right now. is she even interested in helping mutantkind anymore? i would like to see her interact with Nocturne, at least once. and, of course, i wouldn't mind seeing more of Pulse, Shortpack, or Fantomex. i know that people didn't like Mammomax but he would have been the perfect fit for a new Brotherhood; filling the Blob-role.

Mystique
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2nd-in-command:
Toad
Avalanche
Mastermind (Martinique)
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No0bs:
Nocturne
Feverpitch
Mammomax (if he weren't dead)
Omerta
Radius (if he were repowered)
Vincente
Abyss (if he were repowered)
plenty of people who could join up

[protogarrett]

Mystique should just go crazy. She can wear Destiny's skull as a hat. She then thinks she can predict the future, and then is accidentally killed when Syrin accidentally stabs her 28 times in the uterus. Then accidentally shoots her in the face.

Of course, then we bring Mystique back with the Phoenix Force from an alternate all-new Age of Apocalypse timeline. She'll look the same though, except for the Dorothy Gail braids.