Darwin

[RedRonin]

So after voicing my complaint (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194982) with the latest X-Man of color with any real potential actually being as pale as Storm's hair and, at first glance, not an X-Man of color at all, Darwin has been browned again as of X-Factor #34 (http://marvel.com/news/comicstories.4562.Preview%7Ecolon%7E_X-Factor_%2334). She-Hulk specifically comments on his pigment suiting him better (I always thought so since his power is protective and pigment is more protective than paleness anyway) and Darwin smiles. Thanks, Marvel. We have one more mutant of color who looks like a mutant of color AND has some prettty bad-ass powers as well!

Then, after voicing my complaints about how the gods of white peoples (Norse, Greek) seem to be much more powerful than the gods of brown peoples, we are given the kick-assness of Mikaboshi who not only pawns Zeus but outsmarts the God Squad and kicks serious Skrull God ass as well in Incredible Herc #120 (http://marvel.com/catalog/?id=9375).

If they make Prodigy smarter than Pym and Gentle stronger than She-Hulk, I'll just claim persuasive victory!

happy happy
joy joy joy

Anybody got scans of a brown Darwin or conquering Mikaboshi will make my day
Take that white people! That'll show you for all the times you .....um...did stuff....fictionally.

[Joe Acro]

If they make Prodigy smarter than Pym and Gentle stronger than She-Hulk, I'll just claim persuasive victory!
Prodigy's already smarter than Pym! He totally won that argument against him (well, against Skrull Pym) in the Initiative!

[Kage Kisaragi]

Prodigy's already smarter than Pym! He totally won that argument against him (well, against Skrull Pym) in the Initiative!

Different prodigy dude.. different prodigy. :redface:

[Joe Acro]

Different prodigy dude.. different prodigy. :redface:
Shh! You weren't supposed to tell him.:evilsmile: :biggrin:

[Come To Deathstrike]

Mikaboshi being awesome is nothing to do with you.
Take your inflated ego and suck on it.

[RolandJP]

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So you're not only racist against white people, you've got an inflated idea of what your own complaining can get done, by taking credit for colorist's palettes and storylines laid out by creators well in advance. Huh.

Thanks for the news flash, at least.

Racism, is to believe one race is inferior to another. How has X done this?

Prejudice is to show bias. Racism is its practice in the extreme sense-- so unless someone has proof that he has or she has claimed superiority over someone else of a different creed. And he or she has sought to hinder or harm them. "human, please."


I hate when people misuse the term.

[Pro]

Dear Magneto X,

Could you please use your magical powers and make Marvel transform Jamie Madrox into a multiplying raging homosexual? Thanks in advance.


Pro

[RolandJP]

Man...this thread really sucks.

Don't you have a Marriage to Wreck!! MEPHISTO boy !! :tongue:

[Beast]

Don't you have a Marriage to Wreck!! MEPHISTO boy !! :tongue:
Nah. Chris Yost is doing that in X-Men: World's Apart. :wink:

[sephirothskiller]

Dude, could you write in next and ask for an Alpha Flight ongoing so that can happen!!? Now that we know they have your ear and all. Plus Alpha Flight generally has other races than white such as First Nations and Fuzzy! So you should like it!

[Canemacar]

Racism, is to believe one race is inferior to another. How has X done this?

Prejudice is to show bias. Racism is its practice in the extreme sense-- so unless someone has proof that he has or she has claimed superiority over someone else of a different creed. And he or she has sought to hinder or harm them. "human, please."


I hate when people misuse the term.

That is not the sole meaning of racism, merely it's most common form.

[Alex A Sanchez]

Dear Magneto X,

Could you please use your magical powers and make Marvel transform Jamie Madrox into a multiplying raging homosexual? Thanks in advance.


Pro

This could easily be done: Jamie's gay dupe runs off on a mission, Jamie Prime is killed, and whah-la! Jame's now a raging homosexual.

[rage6839]

I have to ask, where is the racism? He wanted an African-American character to look like an African-American. I did not see where he attacked or demened another race?

[Beast]

I have to ask, where is the racism? He wanted an African-American character to look like an African-American. I did not see where he attacked or demened another race?
Cause his only reason for it is simply due skin color.

Characters are more than simply the color of their skin. It's shallow.

[worstblogever]

I have to ask, where is the racism? He wanted an African-American character to look like an African-American. I did not see where he attacked or demened another race?

One: Darwin's Hispanic, by way of Puerto Rican, to begin with, not African American.

Two: He wanted Mikaboshi to beat up white gods, just for that sake. Thor also is on his hit list.

[CmX]

I liked Darwin when he was pale white. :(

[rage6839]

Cause his only reason for it is simply due skin color.

Characters are more than simply the color of their skin. It's shallow.

Ok there are very few African-American characters to begin with but then you draw one like that is African-American in name only. It might not be so be so bad if the X-Verse had a better trck record with African-Americans, especially males.It seems odd they would make the change to his skin color now (don't know if Magneto X had any influence)
I still do not get the racism claim. So if a Chinese person complained about Jubilee being drawn with blond hair, blue eyes, would that person be racist as well?

[rage6839]

One: Darwin's Hispanic, by way of Puerto Rican, to begin with, not African American.

Two: He wanted Mikaboshi to beat up white gods, just for that sake. Thor also is on his hit list.

I thought Darwin was mixed, Hispanic and African-American?

I thought he called for the Gods to be on equal footing? If he wants Black Gods to bet up White Gods on gp, then that would be racist.

[worstblogever]

I thought Darwin was mixed, Hispanic and African-American?

I thought he called for the Gods to be on equal footing? If he wants Black Gods to bet up White Gods on gp, then that would be racist.

Equal footing means that he wants any white god character in Marvel to have their ass kicked consistenly for about, oh... the next 40 years of continuity, just to even things out. By every other race's gods, who are lined up.

There have been similar arguments made for other characters, of non-deity persuasion, too. And that's not equality, or equal footing. Equal footing would be if they fought to a standstill, since they were of equal prowess. Which, was a lot of how the recent issues of Incredible Hercules have portrayed the Gods. They're all of relatively the same power, even Demogorge, who's destined to destroy every pantheon someday.

[Squidboy]

I have to ask, where is the racism? He wanted an African-American character to look like an African-American. I did not see where he attacked or demened another race?

Did you read his first post? The one where he explicitely took pride in the defeat of white Gods being defeated? Where he was overjoyed by a pale Darwin not having to be plagued by his white appearance anymore? This is the same crap I read when sinjection was standing on his soapbox.

One: Darwin's Hispanic, by way of Puerto Rican, to begin with, not African American.

Darwin's mother was African American, so he is mixed.

Ok there are very few African-American characters to begin with but then you draw one like that is African-American in name only. It might not be so be so bad if the X-Verse had a better trck record with African-Americans, especially males.It seems odd they would make the change to his skin color now (don't know if Magneto X had any influence)
I still do not get the racism claim. So if a Chinese person complained about Jubilee being drawn with blond hair, blue eyes, would that person be racist as well?

I guess the German members of this forum should start speaking up about the only well-known German mutant being blue-furred, then? And having a tail and demonic appearance? Does that mean Marvel considers us Germans to be little demons?! Nope. It's an example a character of another Nationality/Race having their mutation manifest itself as an altered appearance.

[RolandJP]

Nah. Chris Yost is doing that in X-Men: World's Apart. :wink:



If that is the case. They picked the right man. He did one hell of a job clearing mutants out during his early run on new- x-men.


Ill be dropping all the X-titles if they do that, there will be nothing left to hold my attention. I will leave these books behind when they become X-Men: Project Runway : superheroes fighting for prada shoes.

[rage6839]

Did you read his first post? The one where he explicitely took pride in the defeat of white Gods being defeated? Where he was overjoyed by a pale Darwin not having to be plagued by his white appearance anymore? This is the same crap I read when sinjection was standing on his soapbox.



Darwin's mother was African American, so he is mixed.



I guess the German members of this forum should start speaking up about the only well-known German mutant being blue-furred, then? And having a tail and demonic appearance? Does that mean Marvel considers us Germans to be little demons?! Nope. It's an example a character of another Nationality/Race having their mutation manifest itself as an altered appearance.

I interpreted the God battle to mean he was happy to see they finally won a battle. If the battles had be fought to a standstill, that seems to be right.


If the Germans have no problem with the appearance of Nightcrawler, more power to them. If they do, let their voices be heard. Changes might be made or the the status quo will remain. Whether it is right or wrong to talk about in a comics book forum, blacks have a bad history with "passing". It is probably not even the case but when the only young African-American male mutant in a book is..was the color of chalk, some might find it offensive. Evidently, some didn't. jmho.

[Beast]

If that is the case. They picked the right man. He did one hell of a job clearing mutants out during his early run on new- x-men.


Ill be dropping all the X-titles if they do that, there will be nothing left to hold my attention. I will leave these books behind when they become X-Men: Project Runway : superheroes fighting for prada shoes.
Is that a Promise?

[Dagger]

Are people being racist against albinos? Just because someone is an albino does not mean he is not black/african american or what have you.

Fact: African American's have the largest percentage rate of albino's in the world.

[Pro]

Are people being racist against albinos? Just because someone is an albino does not mean he is not black/african american or what have you.

Fact: African American's have the largest percentage rate of albino's in the world.

Indeed and in some places in africa they are killed for their skin, stripped of their skin and their skin is sold to witch doctors as magic potion ingredient.
Albinos in the blackest continent on the world are shunned, discriminated against, ridiculed and socially excluded.. They are actively hunted as if they were animals to be sold to witch doctors. In tanzania this year alone at least 40 albinos have been killed and mutilated for the simple fact that they are the target of superstitious prejudice.

In many African countries, the rate of albinism is about 1 in 3,000, compared to roughly 1 in 17,000 in the United States.

So yea take rejoicing in an african-american being more african american when he's not pale any way you want but it can be as offensive to some people as his albino-ism is to others.

Albino blacks had only 1 hero, now they have none ..

And don't get me wrong, i do think Marvel does need more diversifying, I just don't think artificial means such as the Black Panther/Storm marriage and altering Darwin's pigmentation are the way to go.

I prefer seeing new exciting black/gay/asian//arab/frisian/russian/aboriginal/whatever added to marvel's stable of characters. I would still like to see Marvel take a more global view of superheroes at some point. An argument can be made that despite racial diversity comics are very americano-centric. So what is this argument actually about? Is it to see cultural diversity or skin color diversity? Because the latter seems to me to be a rather shallow view on what makes one person differ from another.

The international x-men team that took over from the original 5 proved to be highly succesfull and marketable. I think it's time for a second wave.
With Scott calling out to all mutants across the globe it ought to be easy adding new international characters to the roster.

[Home made ectoplasm]

Are people being racist against albinos? Just because someone is an albino does not mean he is not black/african american or what have you.

Fact: African American's have the largest percentage rate of albino's in the world.

The guy on the right, Danrnelle, is an albino black American who is one of the favourites to win Big Brother UK this year.

The guy on the left is a total ****. Please ignore him.

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[Umbra]

Originally Posted by David Hine
Hey Greg! You're so right. Black writers are always getting ____ for writing black characters. Comics are still way behind other media for inclusion of a wide range of ethnic groups. I think we've gone beyond the embarassing days when every black character was Black This, Black That. But we still have too many stereotypes, the Gangsta/Ho on the one hand or Judge/Chief of Police on the other.

The problem for white writers writing black characters is a self-consciousness, where every black character has to be a "Positive Role Model" to avoid accusations of racism. I think Todd McFarlane doesn't get enough credit for writing black characters who just happen to be black. He didn't make a big deal about the biggest selling comic in the USA having a black lead character. Never tried to exploit that or make it some big deal.

When I came to write Spawn it was easy to write Terry, Cyan, Wanda, Granny Blake and the rest as just great characters and never draw attention to their race.

That's not to say that race is never an issue. When Todd wrote his Ku Klux Klan issue of Spawn he went in with guns blazing. Remember when he has Spawn turn the KKK leader black so he gets lynched by his own buddies?

Recently I've been writing a couple of stories set in the past where race was inevitably an issue. In Gunslinger and the upcoming World War One Spawn, it simply wasn't possible to write the books in those periods without racism rearing its ugly head.

But on a day-to-day basis we should have books that reflect the ethnic mix we have around us. One thing I have noticed is that characters have a tendency to 'go white'. When I was writing District X, I was having to send reminders that Ismael Ortega was Hispanic and his wife, Armena, African/Hispanic. After David Yardin left the book Armena went from Black to Hispanic to White.

This isn't deliberate racism but there's a subconscious form of racism that we're all prone too. Like you, I'm suspicious of anyone who loudly claims not to be racist. I'm sure we all make judgements based on race at some point. What's important is to recognise that tendency in yourself and deal it.-From Newsarama

Just like I pointed out with M, in the other thread... same with Darwin.

[Magneto X]

I have to ask, where is the racism? He wanted an African-American character to look like an African-American. I did not see where he attacked or demened another race?

Thanks. The message I get is that we're not supposed to notice that this universe depicts the strongest, most powerful, and smartest overwhelmingly white or white-looking out of proportion to real demographics. To ask for something closer to proportion is to be ready to be called a racist.



I hate when people misuse the term.

Me too. What can you do?

Cause his only reason for it is simply due skin color.

Characters are more than simply the color of their skin. It's shallow.

By that logic, if the Fortune 500 are entirely white, it's NOT RACIST to never mention it and never do anything about it and it IS RACIST to point it out or cheer when the number of CEOs of color increases. Interesting philosophy. We'll get close to proportional in what, two or three hundred more years that way? It's not racist to notice the rate at which racial equality progresses, my friend.

One: Darwin's Hispanic, by way of Puerto Rican, to begin with, not African American.

Two: He wanted Mikaboshi to beat up white gods, just for that sake. Thor also is on his hit list.

Darwin was desscribed as half black and half Puerto Rican. His mutation eliminated his kinky hair and his brown eyes and, in terms of skin pigment, though originally portrayed as tan, most of his appearances have shown him as somehwere between albino-looking and caucasion-looking. These groups, black and latino, are incredibly underrepresented as A or B list characters in the Marvel Universe (anybody disputing that?), and then we get Darwin who is drawn pale so that plenty of folks have posted here admitting to not even knowing he wasn't white and assuming he was. So his being browner helps make the Marvel universe look more like it should proportionally. I had nothing to do with it, of course, but I wonder if the Marvel editor who wrote his browning in and made sure it was reacted to positively was thinking the same way I was. A little more brown in the un-proportionally white Marvel Herodom is a postive step in my opinion.

And so what if Mikaboshi or an Egyptian or Mayan or other god defeats the Greek or Norse gods. For forty years Marvel's had Thor, Odin, Zeus and the like heading the god councils, being way more prominent in epic threats to the universe, and defeating their weaker and browner counterparts again and again. Mikaboshi's wins helps defeat the impression, although likely unitentional, that the Norse and Greek gods are somehow inately superior. That's a positive step in my opinion.

Originally Posted by David Hine

But on a day-to-day basis we should have books that reflect the ethnic mix we have around us.

That's what I say too.

[HepOne]

Darwin WAS NOT AN ALBINO, all arguments saying this can be ignored. Darwin was a black/hispanic man who appeared competely raceless for NO REASON. If Brubaker had given a reason why he appeared white (which gives NO evolutionary advantage like the rest of his powers) there would be less complaints. David gave a good reason- appearing white to fit in, but PAD was merely patching holes left by an inferior creator.

Either Peter David (member on most comic forums) agreed with the common view that Darwins current appearance made no sense or he came up with it himself. Either way I am happy with the way things have been resolved. All the posters jumping on Magneto X's back saying there is NO WAY he could have affected peoples view on the issuee are Naive. Hal is Green Lantern, Flash was Wally and Barry again, and Spoiler is alive (Dazzler?)all partly due to fan demand. To ignore fans effect on characters would devalue 90% of the posts on this forum.

I liked Darwin when he was pale white. :(

Like many have stated skin colour is only a small part of his character, you should continue to like him now he's brown.

[CmX]

Like many have stated skin colour is only a small part of his character, you should continue to like him now he's brown.

Oh I don't care if he turns purple next issue I was just trying to bait the thread. :P

[worstblogever]

And so what if Mikaboshi or an Egyptian or Mayan or other god defeats the Greek or Norse gods. For forty years Marvel's had Thor, Odin, Zeus and the like heading the god councils, being way more prominent in epic threats to the universe, and defeating their weaker and browner counterparts again and again. Mikaboshi's wins helps defeat the impression, although likely unitentional, that the Norse and Greek gods are somehow inately superior. That's a positive step in my opinion.
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So what? Your idea of "equality" is giving the same amount of time for minoritiy deities to shove their collective foot up the arse of white deities, i.e. forty years. That, is not "equal". That would be like if the point of the Civil Rights movement was to send every white person in America to go pick cotton for 500 years, and call that equality between the races of the U.S.A.

In comic book format, what you're looking for is a fight between any two characters that ends in a draw (something akin at least to the Hulk/Sentry brawl from WWH). The Panther God fights Thor, and both realize the fight will do little but occupy their full existence, while all creation falls by the wayside if they continue. So, they opt to respectfully leave, and go about their business, just for an example.

Both characters come out looking strong, noble, and equal. But I doubt you'd be satisfied, unless T'Challa's #1 god chewed up Thor and spit him out, only because he tasted terrible. And THAT... wouldn't be equality between the two.

[Umbra]

So what? Your idea of "equality" is giving the same amount of time for minoritiy deities to shove their collective foot up the arse of white deities, i.e. forty years. That, is not "equal". That would be like if the point of the Civil Rights movement was to send every white person in America to go pick cotton for 500 years, and call that equality between the races of the U.S.A.

In comic book format, what you're looking for is a fight between any two characters that ends in a draw (something akin at least to the Hulk/Sentry brawl from WWH). The Panther God fights Thor, and both realize the fight will do little but occupy their full existence, while all creation falls by the wayside if they continue. So, they opt to respectfully leave, and go about their business, just for an example.

Both characters come out looking strong, noble, and equal. But I doubt you'd be satisfied, unless T'Challa's #1 god chewed up Thor and spit him out, only because he tasted terrible. And THAT... wouldn't be equality between the two.


That is not always the case. Does it really matter, does one character have to be unbeatable to be a hero? So what, if one gets beat or not... there are several instances of the opposite where Thor beats the crap out of other gods. So, it doesn't mean anything... but it's a issue when the Panther God(Bast) does it?

Sad

[$5 Milkshake]

My favorite part about the internet is how people only hear what they wanna hear from oher people's posts!

[Umbra]

Darwin WAS NOT AN ALBINO, all arguments saying this can be ignored. Darwin was a black/hispanic man who appeared competely raceless for NO REASON. If Brubaker had given a reason why he appeared white (which gives NO evolutionary advantage like the rest of his powers) there would be less complaints. David gave a good reason- appearing white to fit in, but PAD was merely patching holes left by an inferior creator.

Either Peter David (member on most comic forums) agreed with the common view that Darwins current appearance made no sense or he came up with it himself. Either way I am happy with the way things have been resolved. All the posters jumping on Magneto X's back saying there is NO WAY he could have affected peoples view on the issuee are Naive. Hal is Green Lantern, Flash was Wally and Barry again, and Spoiler is alive (Dazzler?)all partly due to fan demand. To ignore fans effect on characters would devalue 90% of the posts on this forum.



Like many have stated skin colour is only a small part of his character, you should continue to like him now he's brown.

Great post... also you are right about Peter David. He is just fixing something that did not make sense.

[worstblogever]

That is not always the case. Does it really matter, does one character have to be unbeatable to be a hero? So what, if one gets beat or not... there are several instances of the opposite where Thor beats the crap out of other gods. So, it doesn't mean anything... but it's a issue when the Panther God(Bast) does it?

Sad

It doesn't matter which deity I chose. If Ares fights the African Spider god Anasasi to a standstill, or if the Eternal Legba manages to end up in an arm wrestling match with Thena with no clear winner...

One side dominating the other for an extended length of time is not equality.

If you can't grasp that, well, you'll never understand equality. And that's a darned pity.

[Umbra]

It doesn't matter which deity I chose. If Ares fights the African Spider god Anasasi to a standstill, or if the Eternal Legba manages to end up in an arm wrestling match with Thena with no clear winner...

One side dominating the other for an extended length of time is not equality.

If you can't grasp that, well, you'll never understand equality. And that's a darned pity.

But is equality during fights always good? Can there ever be a winner or loser?

I mean Wolverine, Batman etc... have lost before... it does NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE CHARACTER. It just makes good for payback!!!:wink:

[Umbra]

double post

[RolandJP]

Is that a Promise?

I will stop buying them. But that doesn't mean ill stop MB critiques, so yes that's a promise. You'll lose a customer that spends a 100 plus a month on Marvel product.

But you've seen the overall subscription/sales rate decline of Marvel they are dropping anyway. So the powers that be may want to drop their emperor's new clothes mentality, and start listening to the people that buy their stuff..instead of people that get books on gratis.

[Umbra]

I will stop buying them. But that doesn't mean ill stop MB critiques, so yes that's a promise. You'll lose a customer that spends a 100 plus a month on Marvel product.

But you've seen the overall subscription/sales rate decline of Marvel they are dropping anyway. So the powers that be may want to drop their emperor's new clothes mentality, and start listening to the people that buy their stuff..instead of people that get books on gratis.

Agreed. I buy $100 plus easy every month... I am really thinking about dropping...them and moving to DC (which is SAD) if screw up BP/Storm...I'm finished with Marvel. That would be the last straw for me...

[Beast]

Agreed. I buy $100 plus easy every month... I am really thinking about dropping...them and moving to DC (which is SAD) if screw up BP/Storm...I'm finished with Marvel. That would be the last straw for me...
They already did screw up Storm. It was the so-called "Wedding of the Century".

[rage6839]

I will stop buying them. But that doesn't mean ill stop MB critiques, so yes that's a promise. You'll lose a customer that spends a 100 plus a month on Marvel product.

But you've seen the overall subscription/sales rate decline of Marvel they are dropping anyway. So the powers that be may want to drop their emperor's new clothes mentality, and start listening to the people that buy their stuff..instead of people that get books on gratis.

Just waiting to see how they further muck up Bishop. If he is the cause of his future, bye bye X-books. Bad economy and all, Marvel will be doing me a favor

[Beast]

Just waiting to see how they further muck up Bishop. If he is the cause of his future, bye bye X-books. Bad economy and all, Marvel will be doing me a favor
It's the ole self-fulfilling prophacy. So it would make sense if that turns out to be the case.

[RolandJP]

Agreed. I buy $100 plus easy every month... I am really thinking about dropping...them and moving to DC (which is SAD) if screw up BP/Storm...I'm finished with Marvel. That would be the last straw for me...

I am so close to doing that as well. I watched the new Batman Movie, and the Watchmen trailer...and I compared it to Iron Man and the Hulk---along with the Milestone news at DC. I am so close to shifting over to them with the money I used to spend on X-books it aint funny. And Ive been buying marvel for 15 plus years.

[rage6839]

It's the ole self-fulfilling prophacy. So it would make sense if that turns out to be the case.

And they ruined Bishop for a series that probably won't make it to 25 issues? Way to piss off his fans.

[Beast]

And they ruined Bishop for a series that probably won't make it to 25 issues? Way to piss off his fans.
I don't consider him ruined.

He believes himself justified in his actions. Even if those actions are monsterous.

[$5 Milkshake]

I don't consider him ruined.

He believes himself justified in his actions. Even if those actions are monsterous.

I'm not a big Bishop fan, but yeah....they ruined him.

Not necessarily even by having him try and kill the baby (which, I guess could've been interesting), but by having him portrayed as a ridiculous mustache twirling villain in Cable.

[RolandJP]

I don't consider him ruined.

He believes himself justified in his actions. Even if those actions are monsterous.

And it removed the last person with an opposing view point to Emma Frosts'.

Kitty-gone
Bishop-gone
Xavier-gone
Storm-gone, now back - Cyclops keeping her in check.

In fact, Emma is in control of the X-men.

[Beast]

I'm not a big Bishop fan, but yeah....they ruined him.

Not necessarily even by having him try and kill the baby (which, I guess could've been interesting), but by having him portrayed as a ridiculous mustache twirling villain in Cable.
Ok, I'll give you the terrible presentation in Cable.

In Messiah Complex at least he had some plausible justification.

Now he's ripping out former ally's hearts and pulling TK out of his ass to kill goons.

[Beast]

And it removed the last person with an opposing view point to Emma Frosts'.

Kitty-gone
Bishop-gone
Xavier-gone
Storm-gone, now back - Cyclops keeping her in check.

In fact, Emma is in control of the X-men.
Honestly. I'd say Scott's actions are a hell of a lot worse than anything Emma could suggest.

[$5 Milkshake]

Ok, I'll give you the terrible presentation in Cable.

In Messiah Complex at least he had some plausible justification.

Now he's ripping out former ally's hearts and pulling TK out of his ass to kill goons.

Exactly! I'm pretty sure Dwayne Whatshisname has pushed Bishop past the point of being redeemed.

[RolandJP]

Honestly. I'd say Scott's actions are a hell of a lot worse than anything Emma could suggest.

When did Scott change??
Who helped facilitate the change??
Who enters his mind the most??

[rage6839]

And it removed the last person with an opposing view point to Emma Frosts'.

Kitty-gone
Bishop-gone
Xavier-gone
Storm-gone, now back - Cyclops keeping her in check.

In fact, Emma is in control of the X-men.

Wouldn't it be cool if Emma planted this thoughts in Bishop's mind just to get rid of him as a threat. She is not Queen of the X-Men.
And betraying family and friends, unleashing Sentinels on the mansion when you did not have total control, killimg and maiming the soldiers in the Sentinels, popping Xavier in th dome with no remorse, beating Forge twice so he no longer trusts anyone with no remorse, killing Cannonball with almosy no remorse. Yeah, he is ruined.

[Kage Kisaragi]

As far as the whole gods on gods action. It would make far more sense if actual worshipers in the Marvel Universes gave their god strength by way of devotion. I have not seen to many Thorites in the Marvel Universe, so why the hell is he so powerful? I am much more supportive of the idea that a gods strength is exponential to that of his followers. That would add a really strategic element to the marvel universe and allow for a lot of sub plots in terms of gods trying to bid for more devotees in the world... I bet Thor and Ares would try changing their guises after a while once they realize that there are more Asian people in the world than anyone else. :tongue:

[sephirothskiller]

As far as the whole gods on gods action. It would make far more sense if actual worshipers in the Marvel Universes gave their god strength by way of devotion. I have not seen to many Thorites in the Marvel Universe, so why the hell is he so powerful? I am much more supporter of the idea that a gods strength is exponential to that of his followers. That would add a really strategic element to the marvel universe and allow for a lot of sub plots in terms of gods trying to bid for more devotees in the world... I bet Thor and Ares would try changing their guises after a while once they realize that there are more Asian people in the world than anyone else. :tongue:

Aww yeah! Then we could see Jesus, Mohammed and Buddah kick some serious other god ass! Of course all the scenes with Mohammed would happen off panel...

EDIT: No getting nitpicky about the terminology God being applied to M or B or J!

[Jackob]

Aww yeah! Then we could see Jesus, Mohammed and Buddah kick some serious other god ass! Of course all the scenes with Mohammed would happen off panel...

EDIT: No getting nitpicky about the terminology God being applied to M or B or J!
awsome the Super Best Freinds back in actionhttp://www.churchofreality.org/images/super-best-friends.jpg

[Magneto X]

Equal footing means that he wants any white god character in Marvel to have their ass kicked consistenly for about, oh... the next 40 years of continuity, just to even things out.

40 years of payback? Do you feel a bit straw-manish here? I suppose what you are saying is an extention of my argument as stretched as far as it goes, but it not what I asked for and not what I'm celebrating. I've said we should get closer to proportionality now, not that we must get exact and retroactive proportionality. When we have an opportunity to undo the severe imbalances, it makes sense to take them. And in some cases, an instance can have much more of an impact that you might initially think. The first black heart surgeon, for instance, made claims of innate mental deficiency much harder to swallow. The Nazi team's dispointment of the Olypics quickly made Hitler's Aryan supremacy claims dubious. Obama's succeess will make the media more issue-oriented and less "is America ready? and is he black/brown enough/too black/brown?" with future candidates of color. And Mikoboshi's triumph erases the assumption, though sustained for forty years, that Zeus, Thor, and Odin are somehow to Asian, African and South American gods like Galactus is to Magneto, a distubing prospect to some of us, and nonsensical to most I'd bet who question it. I wouldn't be celebrating if I was demanding forty more years of the same. I celebrate an important step that is pattern breaking on its own.

I celebrate that a character of noticably African and Puerto Rican descent has the prominance and the interesting character and powerful abilities as Darwin. I celebrate that a non-European character like Mikaboshi is, twice now, able to through power and wit overcome great odds and win the day against one of the two inexplicably dominant pantheons. How often does that happen?

And I'll celebrate once finally a character of color -- someone maybe like Gentle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentle_(comics)) or Frenzy (http://www.comicvine.com/frenzy/29-2163/) or Arclight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arclight_(comics)) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Sunspot (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sunspot) -- is written to get a bit more prominance and a showing or two that they are up there with (not necessarilly or conclusively better, but at least up there with) the strongest of Marvel (the overwhelmingly-white group that includes Bruce Banner, Jenifer Walters, Mary MacPherran, Thor, Piotr Rasputin, Namor McKenzie, Simon Williams, Hercules, Aries, and Ben Grimm). Is that too much? A crazy request? An impossible development?

And I celebrate similarly when people think to run to T'Challa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%27challa) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Prodigy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(David_Alleyne)) or another character of color at least a decent fraction of the time they run to a member of the similarly-predominantly-white Marvel brain trust of the ever-present Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, and Victor Von Doom. Is this not do-able?

To keep getting a bit closer to proportionality simply makes the Marvel Universe more realistic.

As far as the whole gods on gods action. It would make far more sense if actual worshipers in the Marvel Universes gave their god strength by way of devotion. I have not seen to many Thorites in the Marvel Universe, so why the hell is he so powerful?

Good question.

[Pro]

the whole gods on gods action

"Oh yea baby, you're so divine, oh god yea .. take me to heaven!"

It would make far more sense if actual worshipers in the Marvel Universes gave their god strength by way of devotion.

I'd go for endurance if it came to gods on gods action

[worstblogever]

40 years of payback? Do you feel a bit straw-manish here? I suppose what you are saying is an extention of my argument as stretched as far as it goes, but it not what I asked for and not what I'm celebrating. I've said we should get closer to proportionality now, not that we must get exact and retroactive proportionality. When we have an opportunity to undo the severe imbalances, it makes sense to take them. And in some cases, an instance can have much more of an impact that you might initially think. The first black heart surgeon, for instance, made claims of innate mental deficiency much harder to swallow. The Nazi team's dispointment of the Olypics quickly made Hitler's Aryan supremacy claims dubious. Obama's succeess will make the media more issue-oriented and less "is America ready? and is he black/brown enough/too black/brown?" with future candidates of color. And Mikoboshi's triumph erases the assumption, though sustained for forty years, that Zeus, Thor, and Odin are somehow to Asian, African and South American gods like Galactus is to Magneto, a distubing prospect to some of us, and nonsensical to most I'd bet who question it. I wouldn't be celebrating if I was demanding forty more years of the same. I celebrate an important step that is pattern breaking on its own.

I celebrate that a character of noticably African and Puerto Rican descent has the prominance and the interesting character and powerful abilities as Darwin. I celebrate that a non-European character like Mikaboshi is, twice now, able to through power and wit overcome great odds and win the day against one of the two inexplicably dominant pantheons. How often does that happen?

And I'll celebrate once finally a character of color -- someone maybe like Gentle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentle_(comics)) or Frenzy (http://www.comicvine.com/frenzy/29-2163/) or Arclight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arclight_(comics)) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Sunspot (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sunspot) -- is written to get a bit more prominance and a showing or two that they are up there with (not necessarilly or conclusively better, but at least up there with) the strongest of Marvel (the overwhelmingly-white group that includes Bruce Banner, Jenifer Walters, Mary MacPherran, Thor, Piotr Rasputin, Namor McKenzie, Simon Williams, Hercules, Aries, and Ben Grimm). Is that too much? A crazy request? An impossible development?

And I celebrate similarly when people think to run to T'Challa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%27challa) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Prodigy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(David_Alleyne)) or another character of color at least a decent fraction of the time they run to a member of the similarly-predominantly-white Marvel brain trust of the ever-present Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, and Victor Von Doom. Is this not do-able?

To keep getting a bit closer to proportionality simply makes the Marvel Universe more realistic.
.

See, if you were looking, you'd realize that while the bulk of the Avengers: The Initiative are getting their collective hinders handed to them during Secret Invasion... it's Triathalon, yes, TRIATHALON as the new 3-D Man, who's working behind the scenes to root out Skrulls across the country with the Skrull Kill Krew. You don't have to have minority characters open cans of whoop *ss on white characters to prove how strong they are. Because Dan Slott's writing that guy right now to look better than he ever has.

Just like how Beast is working hand and hand with Prodigy to reverse-engineer Skrull technology in Secret Invasion: X-Men. Or how Darwin managed to find what amounts to the Skrull Pope in Detroit with a sarcastic touch of a hand. The invasion that had Marvel's Illuminati caught with their pants down, two characters who have cracked through their uber-secret guises are all minority characters, and a third is pulling apart their intelligence systems.

Really, while sheer numbers of minority characters might not be there, saying these characters have no signs of strength under Marvel writers is not giving them their due.

[rage6839]

I am glad Darwin and Prodigy are back in books.and Darwin is playing a prominent role. Yet, I don't see the same for David. Unless it was in spoilers, how could you tell Prodigy is working with Beast. He shares a panel with him but his name is not spoken and he doesn't say a word. I know it is the first issue and hopefully he takes a more active role in the rest of the series.

[Umbra]

40 years of payback? Do you feel a bit straw-manish here? I suppose what you are saying is an extention of my argument as stretched as far as it goes, but it not what I asked for and not what I'm celebrating. I've said we should get closer to proportionality now, not that we must get exact and retroactive proportionality. When we have an opportunity to undo the severe imbalances, it makes sense to take them. And in some cases, an instance can have much more of an impact that you might initially think. The first black heart surgeon, for instance, made claims of innate mental deficiency much harder to swallow. The Nazi team's dispointment of the Olypics quickly made Hitler's Aryan supremacy claims dubious. Obama's succeess will make the media more issue-oriented and less "is America ready? and is he black/brown enough/too black/brown?" with future candidates of color. And Mikoboshi's triumph erases the assumption, though sustained for forty years, that Zeus, Thor, and Odin are somehow to Asian, African and South American gods like Galactus is to Magneto, a distubing prospect to some of us, and nonsensical to most I'd bet who question it. I wouldn't be celebrating if I was demanding forty more years of the same. I celebrate an important step that is pattern breaking on its own.

I celebrate that a character of noticably African and Puerto Rican descent has the prominance and the interesting character and powerful abilities as Darwin. I celebrate that a non-European character like Mikaboshi is, twice now, able to through power and wit overcome great odds and win the day against one of the two inexplicably dominant pantheons. How often does that happen?

And I'll celebrate once finally a character of color -- someone maybe like Gentle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentle_(comics)) or Frenzy (http://www.comicvine.com/frenzy/29-2163/) or Arclight (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arclight_(comics)) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Sunspot (http://www.marvel.com/universe/Sunspot) -- is written to get a bit more prominance and a showing or two that they are up there with (not necessarilly or conclusively better, but at least up there with) the strongest of Marvel (the overwhelmingly-white group that includes Bruce Banner, Jenifer Walters, Mary MacPherran, Thor, Piotr Rasputin, Namor McKenzie, Simon Williams, Hercules, Aries, and Ben Grimm). Is that too much? A crazy request? An impossible development?

And I celebrate similarly when people think to run to T'Challa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%27challa) or Moses Magum (http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/magnummoses.htm) or Prodigy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodigy_(David_Alleyne)) or another character of color at least a decent fraction of the time they run to a member of the similarly-predominantly-white Marvel brain trust of the ever-present Reed Richards, Hank Pym, Tony Stark, and Victor Von Doom. Is this not do-able?

To keep getting a bit closer to proportionality simply makes the Marvel Universe more realistic.



Good question.

Bravo... I agree totally. Well said. that is one of the reasons folks hate RH and BP so much. The guy isn't the best writer... but he isn't the worst, and the fact that he writes BP as the man, as a hero that can best some of the best... like Stan Lee wanted the character portrayed... he gets hated on.

[Umbra]

See, if you were looking, you'd realize that while the bulk of the Avengers: The Initiative are getting their collective hinders handed to them during Secret Invasion... it's Triathalon, yes, TRIATHALON as the new 3-D Man, who's working behind the scenes to root out Skrulls across the country with the Skrull Kill Krew. You don't have to have minority characters open cans of whoop *ss on white characters to prove how strong they are. Because Dan Slott's writing that guy right now to look better than he ever has.

Just like how Beast is working hand and hand with Prodigy to reverse-engineer Skrull technology in Secret Invasion: X-Men. Or how Darwin managed to find what amounts to the Skrull Pope in Detroit with a sarcastic touch of a hand. The invasion that had Marvel's Illuminati caught with their pants down, two characters who have cracked through their uber-secret guises are all minority characters, and a third is pulling apart their intelligence systems.

Really, while sheer numbers of minority characters might not be there, saying these characters have no signs of strength under Marvel writers is not giving them their due.


Yeah, behide the scenes... when are we going to have characters that rival Thor, or Hulk, or Sentry, or the Phoenix and the Summers family... when are you going to have child of Storm come from the future... i mean she and the BP are two big players in MU, yet not one story about there kids...

I see what you are saying however, and I respect your opinion.

[worstblogever]

Yeah, behide the scenes... when are we going to have characters that rival Thor, or Hulk, or Sentry, or the Phoenix and the Summers family... when are you going to have child of Storm come from the future... i mean she and the BP are two big players in MU, yet not one story about there kids...

I see what you are saying however, and I respect your opinion.

When the characters have existed long enough and have backstories to justify how they can pull off MASSIVELY heroic feats. All the Thor/Hulk/Sentry characters are the strongest in terms of raw power.

But this isn't about raw power. New X-Men showed up how powerful Prodigy COULD become. And even he realizes that power corrupts, so he didn't want it, and asked for mental blocks to be in place. But that was his destiny.

We don't know how powerful Nehnzo can get, or if Storm has the raw might to produce a hurricane the size of storms on Jupiter... because she'd sort of destroy the Earth by doing so.

For me, it's about letting these characters shine within the boundries of a storie, and not by having them just lay a beatdown to another character because of their race. If I see Darwin defeat, oh, let's say Exodus in a fight? I'm cool with that. But if he ends up in a wrestling match with Colossus to justify he's UBER strong? Lame. I'd be content to see Luke Cage prove he's a hero by diving in front of a sniper's bullet, and deflecting it to save the President a hundred times. Because that's heroic. I don't need to know he has the might to beat Spidey in an arm wrestling match.

It's not about quantifying power... it's what the characters DO with it. And rather than harp, looking for one-upsmanship over other heroes... why aren't we just asking for these characters to be counted on in the clutch in a story more often?

That's all that needs to be done. Let the hero of the day, whoever it is, in a story, or someone who contributes to a heroic team act be shared by several teammates.

And guess what? It does. How many times has Nori or Sofia been the lynchpin of a victory in New X-Men? Storm in X-Men? Hell, depowered Rictor was the one who stopped Arcade in the last X-Factor arc.

Stay hung up on numbers if you want, but looking at statistics makes with bitterness makes you miss out on some great stories.

[Beast]

Yeah, behide the scenes... when are we going to have characters that rival Thor, or Hulk, or Sentry, or the Phoenix and the Summers family... when are you going to have child of Storm come from the future... i mean she and the BP are two big players in MU, yet not one story about there kids...

I see what you are saying however, and I respect your opinion.
Next Avengers. I don't beleive they mention Black Kitten's mother by name, due to the X-Characters rights being under a different studio's control. But he's the son of T'Challa and Storm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Beast/NextAvengers-713301.jpg

[sephirothskiller]

Bravo... I agree totally. Well said. that is one of the reasons folks hate RH and BP so much. The guy isn't the best writer... but he isn't the worst, and the fact that he writes BP as the man, as a hero that can best some of the best... like Stan Lee wanted the character portrayed... he gets hated on.

I think he gets hated on because he has no powers and just generally is able to beat people with no real explanation. Like when he put Surfer in an armlock. The use of technology to drain his powers made sense, and keeps in line with his "I'm heaviliy inspired by Batman" schtick. Of course this is the writer's fault.

Isn't War Machine sort of a frontliner these days?


All in all, this discussion is pointless because its about fictional characters. If you want to get on about race issues at Marvel then you should look at the real world, aka writers and editors. These people are white, there's nothing wrong with that but by and large it does mean they are going to write what they understand, after all, one of the chief rules of writing is "write what you you know." These writers understand that there is much more to black and other ethnic groups than simply skin colours, there are also cultural factors. Thus they do not consistently write them.

An analagous example is in the case of foreign countries, Canada and Alpha Flight for example. Canada isn't constantly written because Marvel is based in America and understands America, and when it is written it generally is with a bit of trepidation and a whole lot of letters about each issue's mistakes such as a reference to a dollar bill or something like that. Unsurprisingly, Alpha Flight was conceived by a Canadian (and Brit-American) working for Marvel whilst Excalibur was conceived by a Brit. They understood their subjects.

Also, remember Omega Flight?? Canada's premier team being basically run by Americans? Can you imagine if Black Panther got wounded and was told "we can patch you up, but we'll have to turn you 50% white." Because that's basically what happened to Alpha Flight. "We can put your team back together, but you'll be mostly American."

[Umbra]

I think he gets hated on because he has no powers and just generally is able to beat people with no real explanation. Like when he put Surfer in an armlock. The use of technology to drain his powers made sense, and keeps in line with his "I'm heaviliy inspired by Batman" schtick. Of course this is the writer's fault.

Isn't War Machine sort of a frontliner these days?


All in all, this discussion is pointless because its about fictional characters. If you want to get on about race issues at Marvel then you should look at the real world, aka writers and editors. These people are white, there's nothing wrong with that but by and large it does mean they are going to write what they understand, after all, one of the chief rules of writing is "write what you you know." These writers understand that there is much more to black and other ethnic groups than simply skin colours, there are also cultural factors. Thus they do not consistently write them.

An analagous example is in the case of foreign countries, Canada and Alpha Flight for example. Canada isn't constantly written because Marvel is based in America and understands America, and when it is written it generally is with a bit of trepidation and a whole lot of letters about each issue's mistakes such as a reference to a dollar bill or something like that. Unsurprisingly, Alpha Flight was conceived by a Canadian (and Brit-American) working for Marvel whilst Excalibur was conceived by a Brit. They understood their subjects.

Also, remember Omega Flight?? Canada's premier team being basically run by Americans? Can you imagine if Black Panther got wounded and was told "we can patch you up, but we'll have to turn you 50% white." Because that's basically what happened to Alpha Flight. "We can put your team back together, but you'll be mostly American."


The thing is, BP does have powers. But it's ignored... yeah it part of the writers fault, but it is ignored. He also has a magical background that RH needs to flesh out...

[Magneto X]

When the characters have existed long enough and have backstories to justify how they can pull off MASSIVELY heroic feats.

There's been plenty of time. Giant Sized X-Men was published in 1975, thirty some years ago, introducing Sunfire, Thunderbird, and Storm. Moses Magnum appeared the same year. Cloak came in 1982. Frenzy and Arclight both came in 1986. Black Panther first appeared in 1966, long long ago and just a couple years after Hank Pym and Dr. Doom. Sunspot appeared in 1982, just two years after She-Hulk and two years before Titania. Gentle and Darwin and Prodigy are fairly new, but so are the very uber and prominent white characters Sentry (2000) and Cassandra Nova (2001) and Cable (1990) and Vulcan (2006) and Mr. M (2004) - it can be done.



Isn't War Machine sort of a frontliner these days?



True that. And Monica Rambeau is no slouch lately either. But War Machine is likely always going to be second tier to Tony -- it's hard to get around that particular glass ceiling.

TRIATHALON as the new 3-D Man, who's working behind the scenes to root out Skrulls across the country with the Skrull Kill Krew. You don't have to have minority characters open cans of whoop *ss on white characters to prove how strong they are. Because Dan Slott's writing that guy right now to look better than he ever has.

Just like how Beast is working hand and hand with Prodigy to reverse-engineer Skrull technology in Secret Invasion: X-Men. Or how Darwin managed to find what amounts to the Skrull Pope in Detroit with a sarcastic touch of a hand. The invasion that had Marvel's Illuminati caught with their pants down, two characters who have cracked through their uber-secret guises are all minority characters, and a third is pulling apart their intelligence systems.

Really, while sheer numbers of minority characters might not be there, saying these characters have no signs of strength under Marvel writers is not giving them their due.

Yes. These are important steps, the developments I love to celebrate.

[Kage Kisaragi]

Next Avengers. I don't beleive they mention Black Kitten's mother by name, due to the X-Characters rights being under a different studio's control. But he's the son of T'Challa and Storm.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/MasterSplinter/Beast/NextAvengers-713301.jpg

A name like Black Kitten just makes me squeal, maybe they'll call him Black Cub..

War Machine might not even be much of a man lately... re-read the Initiative MIA. The guy is 70% cyborg now. He was Bishop before Bishop was Cyborg Bishop. Yeah Monica .... yeah not feeling her thunder really, that stuff in Next Wave was funny but it wasn't awe inspiring and her appearance in BP felt kind of forced and woefully underrated. She was basically a huge victim.

[Beast]

A name like Black Kitten just makes me squeal, maybe they'll call him Black Cub..
That's just what I'm referring to him as. I couldn't remember his name/codename.

[Kage Kisaragi]

That's just what I'm referring to him as. I couldn't remember his name/codename.

:smile: oh thats good news then, because Black Kitten or Cub both sounded kind of bad.

[4sake]

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24656/1010186-darwin1_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin1/105-1010186/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24656/1010184-darwin_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin/105-1010184/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/11768/849722-darwin_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin/105-849722/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/1/14661/418506-darwin22_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin22/105-418506/)

[psycwave]

Darwin's new X-Factor costume is fantastic.

[4sake]

Darwin's new X-Factor costume is fantastic.

I agree, Also he never looked better IMO (than he looks in X-Factor # 200 ).. :biggrin:

[Kasper Cole]

Darwin's new X-Factor costume is fantastic.

I'll third this sentiment.

[psycwave]

I agree with that. I wasn't a fan of how Gage displayed his power. I'm not gonna knock him for it b/c Darwin still has so much room to be worked with, but it always felt like his powers were defensive. Like how Brubaker used him in the Shi'ar arc. I liked that scene where he is trying to get Xavier out of the prison and it has laser bars and at first it cuts his finger off, but then his body reacts and he can walk through them. I like how when he was shot into space it took a second or two for him to adapt. The offense thing of draining Gamma energy from Hulk wasn't something I thought should happen.

I loved Deadly Gensis and the retcon that occured bringing them back. As for
I hope Darwin doesn't become a deus ex machina and that writers...specially after Messiah Complex, use him and continue to make him an interesting character.

Good concept and great backstory in Deadly Genesis.

Okay this is really really late but I gotta agree with these posts. In regards to Deadly Genesis and WWH and his powers being reactive.

I must admit I stopped reading X-factor so I'm not sure how his charatcerization has been in that but from what i have heard it hasn't been that great. Darwin is one of those characters who i like, but he hasn't really done anything outstanding to make me love him. It's actually quite the opposite he has become rather mundane and boring. He has some great potential though.

And I would love to see a reappearance of his mother their reaction/interactions with each other, seeing as how she pretty much disowned him.

[psycwave]

Im rereading Deadly Genesis and my favorites are Darwin and Sway.
Sway for obvious reasons, but DG really reminds me why I like Darwin. The scene where he realized that he couldn't even kill himself was priceless. I hope Pad returns him to that glory.

[4sake]

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h318/BLOODMONEY_2006/X_FACTOR_202.jpg

X-FACTOR #202
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by BING CANSINO
Cover by DAVID YARDIN
Special Variant by TBA
It's all been building toward this: A suicidal assault on Castle Doom in the heart of Latveria as the unlikely trio of Monet, Shatterstar and the Thing go head-to-head with the guy who has his own complete country. Meanwhile, who or what exactly was buried in that lonely grave? And did Madrox arrive in time to make a difference? Plus, Franklin and Valeria Richards are on the run from the most unexpected enemy of all, and the only person who can defend them is...Strong Guy? Part 3 of "The Invisible Woman has Vanished!" Get it before it vanishes off the shelves!
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[Magneto X]

Never mind the whole Power Skrull thing to "brown" him back again.
Darwin is inexplicably pale again.

[ZNOP]

Never mind the whole Power Skrull thing to "brown" him back again.
Darwin is inexplicably pale again.

Well. at least Monet is the right color:wink:

[4sake]

Never mind the whole Power Skrull thing to "brown" him back again.
Darwin is inexplicably pale again.

He looks better here :

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24656/1010186-darwin1_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin1/105-1010186/)

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/2/24656/1010184-darwin_large.jpg (http://www.comicvine.com/darwin/105-1010184/)

[4sake]

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=32307

[darknessatnoon]

I love the frowney face next to this thread.

[RolandJP]

Doom's crib has been droken into more times than Kim Kardashian.....'s Blackberry

[Magneto X]

Well. at least Monet is the right color :wink:

Yeah.

[Magneto X]

Darwin is Brown: It's Cannon!

And ever more permantely than the PowerSkrull browning, I think, because in addition to being drawn very brown, in X-Factor #205 the dude actually identifies as dark skinned.

Is Darwin's white wash over!?! :biggrin: