Thoughts on Storm, race, sexuality and, of all things, Maggott

[Slung]

Never mind, I just remembered that so people think that short hair = lesbian , but on second thought some think she already is one.

Storm isn't a lesbian. She is bisexual. Hence her romantic relationships with Yukio, a woman, and Forge, a man.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

but on second thought some think she already is one.

No. We joke about Yukio being her true love, but said jokes always are about her being bi.

[sinjection]

LGBT Superheroes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_comic_book_characters

Ororo isn't on the list. Ororo will NEVER BE on this list.

[Faded]

LGBT Superheroes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_comic_book_characters

Ororo isn't on the list. Ororo will NEVER BE on this list.

She's listed under bisexual btw.LMAO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_comic_book_characters#Bisexual_characters

[Slung]

LGBT Superheroes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_comic_book_characters

Ororo isn't on the list. Ororo will NEVER BE on this list.

Actually, she is on the list. Under bisexual. Sorry to break it to you.

[Slant]

Heh. So thats that. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Ororo isn't on the list. Ororo will NEVER BE on this list.


One could think there might be something to Hudlin poking fun at the Storm/Yokio notion and the M office GREENLIGHTING the f****n thing, eh?

You gotta stop pulling that "la-la-la I can't hear it" crap regarding 'Ro's tastes. :p

And if it's any consolation, hungh, never thought I'd say anything of the sort, but I agree with ya on one thing. 'Ro should be either a queen or running around with the x-crew. Not both.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Wait, 'Ro's on under a very easily accessible list???

Hadn't bothered checking, but this is some serious pwnage. :D

[sinjection]

One could think there might be something to Hudlin poking fun at the Storm/Yokio notion and the M office GREENLIGHTING the f****n thing, eh?


Not at all. The whole thing was a nightmare sequence. In my opinion, a clever device used by Hudlin to xpose the x(ploited)-men for the decadent, trashy publication that it is.

Ororo is not bi. If she was, you've got to know that whoever compiled that list of LGBT characters would have had her name plastered all over it in 36 pt type.

So those of you who'd like to mischaracterize her as being something she is not, stop dreaming. Labeling someone something they are not isn't cool.

Storm isn't white, nor is she bi, gay or anything of that sort. Period.

That's my final answer.

[Slung]

She's listed under bisexual btw.LMAO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_comic_book_characters#Bisexual_characters

You beat me to it Faded. ;)
Not at all. The whole thing was a nightmare sequence. In my opinion, a clever device used by Hudlin to xpose the x(ploited)-men for the decadent, trashy publication that it is.

Ororo is not bi. If she was, you've got to know that whoever compiled that list of LGBT characters would have had her name plastered all over it in 36 pt type.

So those of you who'd like to mischaracterize her as being something she is not, stop dreaming. Labeling someone something they are not isn't cool.

Storm isn't white, nor is she bi, gay or anything of that sort. Period.

That's my final answer.
She is on the list. Under bisexual. I just proved that to you. I wouldn't use the list to confirm or deny such a thing, but since you used it to deny that she was bisexual...

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

She is on the list. Under bisexual. I just proved that to you.

Refer to the "La-la-la I can't hear it" thingy I mentioned.

[Faded]

You beat me to it Faded. ;)

Its actually an interesting list.LMAO

I like how they put Ruckus at the end as Undetermined. It made me giggle.

[RoguishGurl]

I don't know if Storm is gay or not and i could care less, but Wikipedia is not a very reliable source.

[sinjection]

Obviously, her name was recently added to that list between the now and the first time I posted the link. Apparently, someone "updated" the list with a clear fabrication.

I stand by my statement. Ororo is not white. She is not bi, gay or anything of the sort. What she is, is a black woman, a black Queen of a powerful black Nation who will soon be the mother of the heir to the Throne of that nation.

[Faded]

I don't know if Storm is gay or not and i could care less, but Wikipedia is not a very reliable source.

It really isn't, though to their credit they have moderators on the ball on that site, at least when it comes to their comics articles.

[Slung]

I don't know if Storm is gay or not and i could care less, but Wikipedia is not a very reliable source.

True, but if someone is going to link to it and say that that proves said character is a certain way and the article says the opposite of what they were using it for...well, thats just silly. :)

[Faded]

Obviously, her name was recently added to that list between the now and the first time I posted the link. Apparently, someone "updated" the list with a clear fabrication.

I stand by my statement. Ororo is not white. She is not bi, gay or anything of the sort. What she is, is a black woman, a black Queen of a powerful black Nation who will soon be the mother of the heir to the Throne of that nation.

It was last edited two days ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_characters_in_comics&action=history

[sinjection]

I don't know if Storm is gay or not and i could care less, but Wikipedia is not a very reliable source.

Obviously. Since her name wasn't on the list when I posted it originally and now, it happens to be on the list. Ororo is not bisexual.

In my opinion, it is just another manifestation of misrepesentation of black characters by a fandom who does not particularly like to see romantic relationships between black male and female superhero characters or any type of interaction between more than two black superheroes at any one time.

[Slung]

Obviously, her name was recently added to that list between the now and the first time I posted the link. Apparently, someone "updated" the list with a clear fabrication.

I stand by my statement. Ororo is not white. She is not bi, gay or anything of the sort. What she is, is a black woman, a black Queen of a powerful black Nation who will soon be the mother of the heir to the Throne of that nation.

Looks like someone updated Storm's name on it October 8th. You can go under "history" and see when changes were made.

It was last edited two days ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_characters_in_comics&action=history
Always one step ahead. Its like I'm completely redundant. :D

[sinjection]

It was last edited two days ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGBT_characters_in_comics&action=history

Well there you go. As far as I'm concerned, the edit is just a vicious case of libel against Ororo. Period.

[Slung]

Well there you go. As far as I'm concerned, the edit is just a vicious case of libel against Ororo. Period.

Storm was edited in on Oct 8th and besides you posted your message like 20 minutes ago not on Oct 7th. No one went back in time and changed the Wikipedia article on you.

[Pach!]

Why bring up a list as proof if you don't accept it when it's proving the contrary.

[sinjection]

Storm was edited in on Oct 8th and besides you posted your message like 20 minutes ago not on Oct 7th. No one went back in time and changed the Wikipedia article on you.


I originally posted that list weeks ago, not just recently. When I posted the list weeks ago, Ororo's name was NOT on the list. The poster Daeji could confirm this as she was one of the first to respond to the list.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Actually, she is on the list. Under bisexual. Sorry to break it to you.

So she can have that 3 way with Yukio and Panther !

[Jake V]

I originally posted that list weeks ago, not just recently. When I posted the list weeks ago, Ororo's name was NOT on the list. The poster Daeji could confirm this as she was one of the first to respond to the list.
Given that anyone can write anything on wikipedia, Storm being on the list or not being on the list isn't conclusive proof of anything.

[Nyssane]

I wonder what Black Panther would say if Storm was suddenly like "uhm... can we bring that sexy chica into our bed?" Would he be like every other straight man and be all "HELLZ YES" or would he be like "Uh no."

And this is a total serious question, I'm NOT BAITING.

[Slung]

I originally posted that list weeks ago, not just recently. When I posted the list weeks ago, Ororo's name was NOT on the list. The poster Daeji could confirm this as she was one of the first to respond to the list.

I'm just saying, if you are going to use an article that you could go change yourself on a whim as your proof that Storm isn't bisexual be prepared for your "proof" to be put to the test. Obviously Wikipedia is not the best resource for hard evidence.

[Jake V]

Well there you go. As far as I'm concerned, the edit is just a vicious case of libel against Ororo. Period.

Hah.

Libel only applies to actual people.

[Slung]

Hah.

Libel only applies to actual people.

Storm is real in the hearts of those who believe :rolleyes:

[Jackob]

So she can have that 3 way with Yukio and Panther !
well scissor me timber

[Phil Hunn]

Storm isn't white, nor is she bi, gay or anything of that sort. Period.

That's my final answer.

Then it's wrong. All of those heavily-implied off-panel antics with Yukio during Claremont's run were obviously not about coffee mornings. Nor was that hot-tub sequence during X-Treme X-Men. Or the jealous-lover looks Yukio was giving the men Ororo was slinking up to during Storm: The Arena. Remember, Claremont's well-known for making his women like to eat from both sides of the plate (Dani/Rahne and Illyana/Kitty were both implied couples during the original New Mutants run, may I remind you). You think he wouldn't do the same thing to his favourite character? How naive.

Hell, even during the 90s when Claremont wasn't around, Storm once referred to a meeting with Yukio as "a date". That's not blatant enough for you?

Obviously, her name was recently added to that list between the now and the first time I posted the link. Apparently, someone "updated" the list with a clear fabrication.

No, it is a statement of fact. Consider, for instance, the fact that Storm started using the mohawk and leather look after she met Yukio - a look that was popular with urban lesbians at the time. You know, women who shag other women. If Storm acquiring a taste for homosexual women's fashion isn't a big enough clue, then perhaps she should have carried around a big sign saying "I've been having sex with a girl! Deal with it, haters!"?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Storm was edited in on Oct 8th and besides you posted your message like 20 minutes ago not on Oct 7th. No one went back in time and changed the Wikipedia article on you.

Why bring up a list as proof if you don't accept it when it's proving the contrary.

I originally posted that list weeks ago, not just recently. When I posted the list weeks ago, Ororo's name was NOT on the list. The poster Daeji could confirm this as she was one of the first to respond to the list.


Wiki has been known to not be that reliable as a source. Its edited constantly. Now its been edited to bring up that Storm is bi-sexual. Whats the big freaking deal though ? I know you don't like inter-racial relationships but are you also homo-phobic as well ?

[Faded]

Storm being bisexual doesn't hurt her character nor does it take away from her current union with Black Panther.

So its not a big deal.

[sinjection]

Given that anyone can write anything on wikipedia, Storm being on the list or not being on the list isn't conclusive proof of anything.

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

Clearly Ororo is not bisexual. What needs to be established is a practice of encouraging more interaction and relationships between Marvel's black superheroes. There is no good reason why every black superhero character involved in a love relationship should be involved in that relationship with a character outside of their race.

Black characters should form teams. Black characters should definitely establish romantic relationships with one another. It's beyond ridiculous that there is only one prominent love relationship featuring two black superheroes in the MU. There are no established black families of superhero characters in the MU. Of course, Hudlin is working on correcting that. It's going to take time.

[Brian M.]

Hah.

Libel only applies to actual people.

WAKANDA IS A REAL COUNTRY!!!!!!!

It's right next to Imaginationland and above that racist country of Antartica and its WHITE snow. Personally I think Mother Nature is a racist, why isn't there black snow? uh? Blue skies? Racist. White clouds? Racist.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I know you don't like inter-racial relationships but are you also homo-phobic as well ?

Kinda goes hand in hand with the supremacist speech, actually.

[Pach!]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

Clearly Ororo is not bisexual. What needs to be established is a practice of encouraging more interaction and relationships between Marvel's black superheroes. There is no good reason why every black superhero character involved in a love relationship should be involved in that relationship with a character outside of their race.

Black characters should form teams. Black characters should definitely establish romantic relationships with one another. It's beyond ridiculous that there is only one prominent love relationship featuring two black superheroes in the MU. There are no established black families of superhero characters in the MU. Of course, Hudlin is working on correcting that. It's going to take time.

Then to that purpose it is convenient that Storm is bisexual, as now she could have a relationship with Photon or the BP.

[Jake V]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

Clearly Ororo is not bisexual. What needs to be established is a practice of encouraging more interaction and relationships between Marvel's black superheroes. There is no good reason why every black superhero character involved in a love relationship should be involved in that relationship with a character outside of their race.

Black characters should form teams. Black characters should definitely establish romantic relationships with one another. It's beyond ridiculous that there is only one prominent love relationship featuring two black superheroes in the MU. There are no established black families of superhero characters in the MU. Of course, Hudlin is working on correcting that. It's going to take time.
Hey man, believe what you want, have any opinion you want, I'm cool with any and all opinions.

All I'm saying is that if you're gonna post "proof" of anything, you really shouldn't point to wikipedia. It undermines your argument.

[Joe Acro]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.
I get how this part is relevant to the current conversation, but the rest?

[tangentman]

Ah, you know nothing puts the Fear of Allah into the hearts of "New Black Separatist" comic book fans than making their sacred cows queer. Forget any notion of reading *gasp* subtext in a story. Maybe sinjection needs to go buy a copy of that X-Men annual where the team (plus Captain Britain & Meggan) are tempted with their hearts' desires?

Ororo's most fervent desire wasn't getting her powers back and it sure as HELL wasn't hooking up with a "strong black male". She wanted to return to Tokyo--and more importantly--Yukio. I thought that spoke more volumes about Storm's sexual orientation than a hairstyle change or willful denial of race-baiting fanboys.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I wonder what Black Panther would say if Storm was suddenly like "uhm... can we bring that sexy chica into our bed?" Would he be like every other straight man and be all "HELLZ YES" or would he be like "Uh no."

And this is a total serious question, I'm NOT BAITING.

He would likely have an invention that would make Yukio and Storm have the greatest sex in the Marvel Universe ! Then he'd call Tony Stark and brag "I just nailed 2 chicks , had the greatest sex ever and I called to rub it in !"

Then it's wrong. All of those heavily-implied off-panel antics with Yukio during Claremont's run were obviously not about coffee mornings. Nor was that hot-tub sequence during X-Treme X-Men. Or the jealous-lover looks Yukio was giving the men Ororo was slinking up to during Storm: The Arena. Remember, Claremont's well-known for making his women like to eat from both sides of the plate (Dani/Rahne and Illyana/Kitty were both implied couples during the original New Mutants run, may I remind you). You think he wouldn't do the same thing to his favourite character? How naive.

Hell, even during the 90s when Claremont wasn't around, Storm once referred to a meeting with Yukio as "a date". That's not blatant enough for you?



No, it is a statement of fact. Consider, for instance, the fact that Storm started using the mohawk and leather look after she met Yukio - a look that was popular with urban lesbians at the time. You know, women who shag other women. If Storm acquiring a taste for homosexual women's fashion isn't a big enough clue, then perhaps she should have carried around a big sign saying "I've been having sex with a girl! Deal with it, haters!"?

The signs were all there. I'm sure CC couldn't come out and tell the people , ok....she's bi-sexual. So he heavily hinted at it as they did for years with Northstar until they felt it was the right time to really annouce it.

[Alan2099]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.
Or it could be that when pointed to the list by you, somebiody saw an error and went and fixed it.

I can't tell you the number of errors I've found in wiki or details people have just forgot about.

I saw one article once that listed Wolverine's Real name as "Logan W. Logan" and a list of Avengers characters that forgot to include Captain America (hopefully) by complete accident.

[Slung]

Ah, you know nothing puts the Fear of Allah into the hearts of "New Black Separatist" comic book fans than making their sacred cows queer. Forget any notion of reading *gasp* subtext in a story. Maybe sinjection needs to go buy a copy of that X-Men annual where the team (plus Captain Britain & Meggan) are tempted with their hearts' desires?

Ororo's most fervent desire wasn't getting her powers back and it sure as HELL wasn't hooking up with a "strong black male". She wanted to return to Tokyo--and more importantly--Yukio. I thought that spoke more volumes about Storm's sexual orientation than a hairstyle change or willful denial of race-baiting fanboys.
Yep, Uncanny X-Men Annual Number 11. She ends up with her greatest heart desire: Yukio.

[Phil Hunn]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

Or - and here's a wacky suggestion - they might not have been anywhere near here, and had instead actually looked at the mountain of evidence to suggest that Storm is a part-time lesbian, and put that up because of their research.

It's pretty simple, really, when you think about: she spends a long time with Yukio, and ends up blatantly dressing like a dyke.

You do the math, dude.

[Faded]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

Clearly Ororo is not bisexual. What needs to be established is a practice of encouraging more interaction and relationships between Marvel's black superheroes. There is no good reason why every black superhero character involved in a love relationship should be involved in that relationship with a character outside of their race.

Black characters should form teams. Black characters should definitely establish romantic relationships with one another. It's beyond ridiculous that there is only one prominent love relationship featuring two black superheroes in the MU. There are no established black families of superhero characters in the MU. Of course, Hudlin is working on correcting that. It's going to take time.

I can respect that, but I don't really agree with what is basically segregating fictional characters by race (not necessarily in this post, but in others).

A Black couple? Sure, why not.
More prominent black (and other minority) heroes? I've whined about that in threads before.

I think this is one of your first posts I can level with.

But, I really don't see what the huff is about stating Ororo is bisexual. Like I said, it takes nothing away from her that she doesn't already have--including, to many fans dismay--Black Panther.

[sinjection]

Hey man, believe what you want, have any opinion you want, I'm cool with any and all opinions.

All I'm saying is that if you're gonna post "proof" of anything, you really shouldn't point to wikipedia. It undermines your argument.

Two weeks ago, it affirmed my argument.

The fact is this. It doesn't matter what Claremont wrote where Ororo's sexuality is concerned. What matters is that she is now a married woman and Queen of a powerful African nation.

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I suspect that the only reason the list might have been "updated" in the first place is because someone might have got wind I used it to prove that Ororo was not bisexual by posting the link to that list to this forum weeks ago and suggested to whomever administrates that board, that it should reflect Ororo as being bisexual.

And it really doesn't matter since your ignorant of Storm's history. Someone provides proof in the comics that they hinted at Storm being bi-sexual and you cover your eyes or ignore it. I'm used to it by now.


Clearly Ororo is bisexual. What needs to be established is a practice of encouraging more interaction and relationships between Marvel's black superheroes. There is no good reason why every black superhero character involved in a love relationship should be involved in that relationship with a character outside of their race.

Fixed that for you. I bet you hated when Luke Cage named his daughter Dainelle since it was basically in honor of his friendship with Danny Rand. Who cares as long as the characetrs work who they hang with ?

Black characters should form teams. Black characters should definitely establish romantic relationships with one another. It's beyond ridiculous that there is only one prominent love relationship featuring two black superheroes in the MU. There are no established black families of superhero characters in the MU. Of course, Hudlin is working on correcting that. It's going to take time.

Luke Cage has a family. But you ignore that as usual. Damn Cage for going for that white woman. Their not gonna have Storm have children yet since a baby usually spells doom for a couple at times in TV or comics.

[Jackob]

Two weeks ago, it affirmed my argument.

The fact is this. It doesn't matter what Claremont wrote where Ororo's sexuality is concerned. What matters is that she is now a married woman and Queen of a powerful African nation.



because no bisexuals have ever got married:rolleyes:

[Faded]

Two weeks ago, it affirmed my argument.

The fact is this. It doesn't matter what Claremont wrote where Ororo's sexuality is concerned. What matters is that she is now a married woman and Queen of a powerful African nation.

Being married doesn't undo one's sexuality.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Or it could be that when pointed to the list by you, somebiody saw an error and went and fixed it.

I can't tell you the number of errors I've found in wiki or details people have just forgot about.

I saw one article once that listed Wolverine's Real name as "Logan W. Logan" and a list of Avengers characters that forgot to include Captain America (hopefully) by complete accident.

The fact he never has even followed Storm's history in books is moot. Wiki had this article ya see , and he's right since Wiki is never wrong ....sometimes.

[Brian M.]

Being married doesn't undo one's sexuality.

Wait so my pending marriage won't take anyway those gay feelings Chris keeps tempting me w/?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

because no bisexuals have ever got married:rolleyes:

Being married doesn't undo one's sexuality.

Its Hudlin , so odds are he'll have an issue upcoming where Storm will tell Panther..... "Thanks to you I am no longer nasty bi-sexual !"

[Faded]

Wait so my pending marriage won't take anyway those gay feelings Chris keeps tempting me w/?

No, but you'll be a good boy and wank off in the corner instead of acting on it.

[Fatguy]

The fact is this. It doesn't matter what Claremont wrote where Ororo's sexuality is concerned. What matters is that she is now a married woman and Queen of a powerful African nation.

This is the crux of way too many arguments you make. You dont care about the history of characters you claim to be a fan of.

[Brian M.]

No, but you'll be a good boy and wank off in the corner instead of acting on it.

Does that get you hot?

[Faded]

Does that get you hot?

Very.

So hot I only fall asleep five minutes into it.

[Phil Hunn]

Two weeks ago, it affirmed my argument.

The fact is this. It doesn't matter what Claremont wrote where Ororo's sexuality is concerned.

Uh... yes it does. It's part of the character's history and part of her personality. The entire Marvel bullpen having that kind of attitude would mean that they would have few qualms about, say, making Northstar or Quasar (Phyla-Vell) straight, because "it doesn't matter what their previous writers did".

Retconning Ororo's sexuality is a repulsive notion. I might not like the character very much, but to imply that making her totally straight is somehow "fixing" her is disgusting...

[tangentman]

Claremont couldn't outright declare Storm bisexual in the 80's, not when Jim Shooter ruled the Marvel roost. Because homosexuality (and thus, bisexuality) were taboo at the time, Marvel writers typically worked those themes in as subtext. For example, Storm could meet Yukio, and feel so impacted by their meeting that she effects a drastic change in her fashion styel and attitude. African Earth Mother type changes to Hardcore Urban Punk = Experimenting with sexual identity/coming out of the closet. Remember Kitty's horror at Ororo's change? She pretty much considered Storm a monster at the time. If that wasn't a metaphor for a coming out story for the 80's, I don't know what qualifies.

Storm might be compared with Xena, Warrior Princess. Writers and fans get enormous mileage and enjoyment out of sexual ambiguity. The "Is she/Isn't she" game generates far more interest than a definitive "coming out" which might alienate fans who need a character to be one way or the other.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This is the crux of way too many arguments you make. You dont care about the history of characters you claim to be a fan of.

Pretty much spot on. To keep pointing at Wiki and proclaiming it as the great source is funny , since as people posted ...it can be wrong.

[sinjection]

This is the crux of way too many arguments you make. You dont care about the history of characters you claim to be a fan of.

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.

[Brian M.]

Very.

So hot I only fall asleep five minutes into it.

Beats my previous record. Game on.

[Faded]

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

Its also not that important.

There isn't any book out, featuring a diverse array of characters, who are written by the "We Are The World" Choir.

[Fatguy]

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.

ok??

I dont know why you keep bring up that story about Panther's mother. Its not as if white characters havent been raped as well in comics...

And how can you compare a writer having a character raped to a character being bi-sexual? How is bi-sexuality such a bad thing for Storm?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.[/SIZE]


I love your attempt to soap box and peddle this shit. But in this same 80's period when Storm led the X-Men , de-powered , Captain Marvel )Photon then) led the Avengers. 2 black characters....leading the popular teams at that time. IGNORED BY YOU AS USUAL.

[SIZE="3"]Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.
I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.
Yes its back to evil whitey again. You repeat this stance numerous times. So CC making Ororo bi-sexual was horrid. You have some weird feelings on inter-racial relationships and homosexuality it appears. The writers don't need fixed.... YOU DO.

[Jake V]

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.
Who wrote the stories is irrelevant. They have been written, they happened, they're canon. You can dislike them as much as you want, but for better or worse, they still happened.

Storm did have some sort of relationship with Yukio (note, I have no idea who she is). But that doesn't necessarily hurt the character. It also doesn't seem to have any bearing on who she is today.

Whether or not Black Panther is aware of Storm's past, I doubt that it has any relevance on their current relationship. If BP is a cool as I assume he is, he's more interested in who Storm is today than who she was years ago.

[Jackob]

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.

because no one is alowd to write about any thing that they are not.
all the women need to be writen by women
all black people writen by black wrighters, black women writing the the black women of course
whites write whites
asians write asians
ect
i feel sorry for the vision and other robots because there is no robot writers

[sinjection]

Its also not that important.

The fact that those stories portraying black females in those sexual situations were written by white males, many of whom - not the writers themselves, but white males in general - have entertained sick sexual fantasies where black females have been concerned, is worth mentioning.

Factor out the sick sexual fantasies many white men have where black females are concerned. Take popular music. It might have been a remake of a black performer's song, but they certainly sang the song with gusto..."Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good? Just like a black girl should." - Rolling Stones. "Brother Louie" by the Stories: "She was black as the night Louie was whiter than white, Danger danger when you taste brown sugar, He fell in love overnight..." Even the gay Elton John's Island Girl: Island girl
What you wantin' wid de white man's world
Island girl
"Black boy want you in his island world
He want to take you from the racket boss
He want to save you but the cause is lost
Island girl, island girl, island girl
Tell me what you wantin' wid de white man's world

She's black as coal but she burn like a fire
And she wrap herself around you like a well worn tire
You feel her nail scratch your back just like a rake
He one more gone, he one more John who make a mistake"

The Song of Solomon. King Solomon's love song to the Queen of Sheba.

White men have been writing love songs and lust songs to black women and about black women for eons. The black man has not written the FIRST such song to white women.

It's apparent that this obsession with the sexuality of the black female has seeped out in the stories of many white comicbook writers.

Meanwhile, black male characters - superhero or no - are killed off left and right and loving relationships between black superhero male and female characters is resisted.

There has to be a change.

[tangentman]

Besides, I don't see how prejudice against same-sex couples or interracial couples redeems decades of racism against blacks. I'm failing to see any logic in that line of thought. Personally, I'd rather not see ANY beloved characters being used to peddle equally mean-spirited separatist variants of bigotry.

[Jake V]

The fact that those stories portraying black females in those sexual situations were written by white males, many of whom have entertained sick sexual fantasies where black females have been concerned, is worth mentioning.

Lets keep in mind that Storm was created by a white guy.

And honestly, anyone who's sexual fantasies are limited to a black woman making goo-goo eyes at a asian woman is a really boring guy. It's not much of a fantasy.

[Alan2099]

1. BE CIVIL
This should be self explanatory, but just in case, on this board, we do not tolerate people acting like jerks for no reason. Treat everyone with civility. This goes for posters as WELL as creators of the titles.
I just thouht you may have wanted to read that, Sin. You seem to have missed that point.

[Faded]

The fact that those stories portraying black females in those sexual situations were written by white males, many of whom have entertained sick sexual fantasies where black females have been concerned, is worth mentioning.

Factor out the sick sexual fantasies many white men have where black females are concerned. Take popular music. It might have been a remake of a black performer's song, but they certainly sang the song with gusto..."Brown Sugar, how come you taste so good? Just like a black girl should." - Rolling Stones. "Brother Louie" by the Stories: "She was black as the night Louie was whiter than white, Danger danger when you taste brown sugar, He fell in love overnight..." Even the gay Elton John's Island Girl: Island girl
What you wantin' wid de white man's world
Island girl
"Black boy want you in his island world
He want to take you from the racket boss
He want to save you but the cause is lost
Island girl, island girl, island girl
Tell me what you wantin' wid de white man's world

She's black as coal but she burn like a fire
And she wrap herself around you like a well worn tire
You feel her nail scratch your back just like a rake
He one more gone, he one more John who make a mistake"

The Song of Solomon. King Solomon's love song to the Queen of Sheba.

White men have been writing love songs and lust songs to black women and about black women for eons. The black man has not written the FIRST such song to white women.

It's apparent that this obsession with the sexuality of the black female has seeped out in the stories of many white comicbook writers.

Meanwhile, black male characters - superhero or no - are killed off left and right and loving relationships between black superhero male and female characters is resisted.

There has to be a change.

That's not just white men though, that's men in general.

If you want to take a look at popular culture, look for what passes as a top 10 hit on BET's 106 & Park or what makes the rounds late at night.

There has to be a change, yes.

But the important credentials are not something you can see by their physical appearance.

And for my parting statement on the subject, being bisexual or gay is not sick nor a fantasy. Its a very real element of life for many individuals of all races. It comes natural to them to be attracted to men -- and/or women -- as it is for you to be attracted to whomever you're attracted to.

[tangentman]

White men have been writing love songs and lust songs to black women and about black women for eons. The black man has not written the FIRST such song to white women.


Back in the day, white men had more liberty to romanticize and objectify women of color. Black men didn't have such privileges even as late as, say, the first half of the 20th Century. Interracial love was taboo for some time. If black men in the South even appeared to voice such notions, it could have cost them their lives. I strongly question the veracity of your claim that black men NEVER wrote love songs/poems/stories about white women, but I could certainly understand why there might not have been a proliferation of such.

[sinjection]

Lets keep in mind that Storm was created by a white guy.

But Storm is being redeemed by a black guy.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Lets keep in mind that Storm was created by a white guy.

And honestly, anyone who's sexual fantasies are limited to a black woman making goo-goo eyes at a asian woman is a really boring guy. It's not much of a fantasy.

No way ...no I refuse to accept that ! Wiki claims that Chuck Austen created Storm ! Nothing will change my mind.

[Alphaxman]

I was joking about the lesbian thing early. Sorry for bringing up this heated discussion. I actually think that Ororo doesn’t “label” herself anything. I think she views love as love not sexuality if you know what I mean.
I think at one time she would have spent the rest of her life with Yukio if she didn’t have a commitment with the X-Men. But I don’t think it would have been a sexual relationship. Just someone she could have been happy with. To me she has only been in love with three people. Forge; someone I feel couldn’t handle her and was a little intimidated by her, Yukio; the people who lets herself be free and uncontrolled (the only other person who made her fell that way was Gambit) and T’Challa; her first and current love who match her in every way in my eyes.

[Jake V]

Back in the day, white men had more liberty to romanticize and objectify women of color. Black men didn't have such privileges even as late as, say, the first half of the 20th Century. Interracial love was taboo for some time. If black men in the South even appeared to voice such notions, it could have cost them their lives. I strongly question the veracity of your claim that black men NEVER wrote love songs/poems/stories about white women, but I could certainly understand why there might not have been a proliferation of such.

Wasn't there a line in one of Kanye's songs about how a guy will "leave your ass for a white girl" or something?

Obviously not the whole point of the song, but its not like black guys categorically aren't attracted to white women.

[Jake V]

But Storm is being redeemed by a black guy.

I wasn't aware that she was a character in need of redemption.

There was/is nothing wrong with her.

[Jackob]

But Storm is being redeemed by a black guy.

but if her creator messed her up, is that redeeming or changing into a different character.

[Nyssane]

I'd say, generally speaking, more black men like white women than white men like black women.

[Arilou]

The fact that those stories portraying black females in those sexual situations were written by white males, many of whom - not the writers themselves, but white males in general - have entertained sick sexual fantasies where black females have been concerned, is worth mentioning.

Well, if you bother checking out some of the feminist comic-sites (like girl-wonder.org, or when fangirls attack, or anything like it) you'll quite quickly notice that this is by no means restricted to black women. Alas.

[sinjection]

That's not just white men though, that's men in general.

Black men have written love songs to black women and white men have written love/lust songs to black women. No black male performer I could name has ever written such a song to a white woman, an hispanic woman, an Asian woman, or "other" woman. Some white men seem to be obsessed with the sexuality of black females and females of color and portray them in ways not always flattering to their culture and character.


There has to be a change, yes.

If those writers are going to write stories where black females are raped by white men, if those writers are going to write stories where black females are homosexual or bisexual, if those writers are going to write stories where a black female will willingly open her mouth and let an animal man slobber all over it's interior, if those writers are going to write stories where a black male character is blown to bits every other issue or depowered, then it is high time that there are stories written featuring greater interaction between black superhero characters and between black superhero characters and other characters of color.

[Alphaxman]

Wasn't there a line in one of Kanye's songs about how a guy will "leave your ass for a white girl" or something?

Obviously not the whole point of the song, but its not like black guys categorically aren't attracted to white women.

That part of the song spook about the stereotype of black men leaving their black wife or long time black girlfriend to hooks up with a white woman once he “makes it”. Especially in sports.

[XPac]

The fact that those stories portraying black females in those sexual situations were written by white males, many of whom - not the writers themselves, but white males in general - have entertained sick sexual fantasies where black females have been concerned, is worth mentioning.



Truthfully, male comic book writers (and readers) of ANY color likely have their fair share of fantasies concerning comic book females of ANY color. It's not an issue of color... it's kind of a guy thing (hopefully I don't sound too sexist saying that).

Hell, I'm fairly certain that same mentality is behind the Storm make-over picture that started this thread to begin with.

[Jake V]

...then it is high time that there are stories written featuring greater interaction between black superhero characters and between black superhero characters and other characters of color.

Isn't that exactly what is happening in Black Panther?

[Gene M.]

Black females have been savaged in the comicbook community. The Panther's mother Ramonda was abducted by a white South African official, held captive for years and raped repeatedly during that time. Hopefully that sick episode has been retconned out of existence, but it establishes what has been a pattern of portraying black females in sexual circumstances that are not the norm to say the least.

Not to be ignored, all of those stories featuring black females in those situations were written by white males.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

More loving relationships between black superhero males and black superhero females.
Also not to be ignored, you continue to derail every thread you post in with your off-topic racist bullshit.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

But Storm is being redeemed by a black guy.

Wow.... ....wow . I am just shocked . So lets see.... Storm can't be bi-sexual anymore since she has a man. Do ypu honestly believe that ?

[tangentman]

Let me guess, sinjection: you're one of those black men who consider homosexuality a "disease" or "weakness"? I guess homophobia is cool, as long as you speak out loudly against racism. :rolleyes:

[Alphaxman]

Truthfully, male comic book writers of ANY color likely have their fair share of fantasies concerning comic book females of ANY color. It's not an issue of color... it's kind of a guy thing (hopefully I don't sound too sexist saying that).

Hell, I'm fairly certain that same mentality is behind the Storm make-over picture that started this thread to begin with.

I don’t know about that. I think it has more to do with the story he may be telling in that book. Maybe they didn’t wear leather mini skirts but the ataire would be close to what the actually wore back then. But I don’t have to tell you that because you seem well informed. I learn a lot from your posts. This is not being sarcastic by the way.

[Nyssane]

Let me guess, sinjection: you're one of those black men who consider homosexuality a "disease" or "weakness"? I guess homophobia is cool, as long as you speak out loudly against racism. :rolleyes:

Oh, Sinjection's said time and time again that he believes homosexuality is wrong. Which is funny, seeing as homosexuals know all about oppression and misplaced hatred. Apparently he doesn't consider them his brothers or sisters simply because not all of them have dark skin.

[tangentman]

Oh, Sinjection's said time and time again that he believes homosexuality is wrong. Which is funny, seeing as homosexuals know all about oppression and misplaced hatred. Apparently he doesn't consider them his brothers or sisters simply because not all of them have dark skin.

To which I say, a black man who oppresses people based on sexual orientation is just as much a bigoted asshole as a white man who oppresses people based on race or skin color. ;)

[Faded]

Black men have written love songs to black women and white men have written love/lust songs to black women. No black male performer I could name has ever written such a song to a white woman, an hispanic woman, an Asian woman, or "other" woman. Some white men seem to be obsessed with the sexuality of black females and females of color and portray them in ways not always flattering to their culture and character.

Some contribute them in verses:

I bang cock in Bangkok
Can't stop, I turn and hit the same spot
Think not, I'm the thriller in Manilla
Schlong in Hong Kong
Pimp 'em like Bishop, Magic, Don Juan

I got this Spanish chica, she don't like me to roam
So she call me cabron plus marricon
Said she likes to cook rice so she likes me home
I'm like, "Un momento" - mami, slow up your tempo
I got this black chick, she don't know how to act
Always talkin out her neck, makin her fingers snap
She like, "Listen Jigga Man, I don't care if you rap
You better - R-E-S-P-E-C-T me"
I got this French chick that love to french kiss
She thinks she's Bo Derek, wear her hair in a twist
My, cherie amor, t£ est belle
Merci, you fine as fuck but you givin me hell
I got this indian squaw the day that I met her
Asked her what tribe she with, red dot or feather
She said all you need to know is I'm not a ho
And to get with me you better be Chief Lots-a-Dough
Now that's Spanish chick, French chick, indian and black
That's fried chicken, curry chicken, damn I'm gettin fat
Arroz con pollo, french fries and crepe
An appetitite for destruction but I scrape the plate
I love

and others write entire songs Black Eyed Peas' Latin Girls (http://www.lyricstime.com/black-eyed-peas-latin-girls-lyrics.html).

Its not unheard of.

Its really rather irrelevant, though nonetheless.

If those writers are going to write stories where black females are raped by white men, if those writers are going to write stories where black females are homosexual or bisexual, if those writers are going to write stories where a black female will willingly open her mouth and let an animal man slobber all over it's interior, if those writers are going to write stories where a black male character is blown to bits every other issue or depowered, then it is high time that there are stories written featuring greater interaction between black superhero characters and between black superhero characters and other characters of color.

Hate the player, not the game.

Comicbooks are all about major events and shock value these days, and that does need to change.

If those writers write black women as homosexual or bisexual...so what? Why try to discriminate against another minority when trying to fight for another? It doesn't get you higher up the totem pole, honey, its just bad karma.

[XPac]

then it is high time that there are stories written featuring greater interaction between black superhero characters and between black superhero characters and other characters of color.

That was the beauty of the relationship between Storm and Yukio. Intereaction between a black super hero and another character of color. Go Storm.

[Brian M.]

You think Black Panther ever "Superman'd a ho"?

[tangentman]

OT, I hate simul-posts. :)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Isn't that exactly what is happening in Black Panther?

Its not enough , see sales are falling. Sinjection has a fear the book will die since the crossover events and tyie-ins are drying up soon. Picture what happened to Firestorm. If the book doesn't have a meag tie-in soon , its sales will drop to levels post Marriage issue and pre-Civil War.

Let me guess, sinjection: you're one of those black men who consider homosexuality a "disease" or "weakness"? I guess homophobia is cool, as long as you speak out loudly against racism. :rolleyes:

He paints it thru the use of superhero comics and it is funny. I love how Storm needed redeeming for being bi-sexual. That should sum up his views.

[sinjection]

Back in the day, white men had more liberty to romanticize and objectify women of color. Black men didn't have such privileges even as late as, say, the first half of the 20th Century. Interracial love was taboo for some time. If black men in the South even appeared to voice such notions, it could have cost them their lives. I strongly question the veracity of your claim that black men NEVER wrote love songs/poems/stories about white women, but I could certainly understand why there might not have been a proliferation of such.

You can question the veracity of my claim that black men never wrote love songs about white women all you want, but you'd have one hell of a time proving me wrong. It doesn't matter how oppressed the black man was. When it came to expressing his love for a woman in song, he ALWAYS expressed that love to his BLACK WOMAN.

Four Tops - "Ain't No Woman Like The One I've Got."

Temptations - "My Girl"

Just two of myriad love songs black men have written to black women. You know that if black rappers can poke fun at the fact that many white women don't have as much junk in the trunk as black girls have and make a music video of the song that is aired on white-run MTV, black male singers have the liberty to write love songs to white women if they wanted to. None seem to be so inclined.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Also not to be ignored, you continue to derail every thread you post in with your off-topic racist bullshit.

I say this practice needs to be stopped.

Its about time we hear about Bill Cosby or Elvis.

[Alphaxman]

Oh, Sinjection's said time and time again that he believes homosexuality is wrong. Which is funny, seeing as homosexuals know all about oppression and misplaced hatred. Apparently he doesn't consider them his brothers or sisters simply because not all of them have dark skin.

I find it almost unbelievable that someone can be a fan of the X-Men and still discriminate against anyone.:eek: Is the reason for the X-Men is to show tolerance to everyone?

[tangentman]

He paints it thru the use of superhero comics and it is funny. I love how Storm needed redeeming for being bi-sexual. That should sum up his views.

Read my response to Nyssane on the previous page. :) That sums up my views on the question.

[Froggy]

You think Black Panther ever "Superman'd a ho"?

naw


now SPiderman.........shooooooooooooot, I know he has....he's even got his OWN variation

[RoguishGurl]

I didn't want to reply, but I have to say this. It is wrong to be homophobic. Period. Gays are people too and it is not right to talk badly against them. It is wrong.

also, interracial couples are cool. I've dated many white boys and I was attracted to them all. I've also black boys and I liked them too. I'm also attracted asians and hispanics and arabic men.

So to say that Storm shouldn't be bisexual and in a interracial relationship is wrong in my opinion. All that matters is that she's happy and in love, and if that is with BP so be it, if it is with another woman or a white man, so be it. It doesn't matter!

[Brian M.]

You can question the veracity of my claim that black men never wrote love songs about white women all you want, but you'd have one hell of a time proving me wrong. It doesn't matter how oppressed the black man was. When it came to expressing his love for a woman in song, he ALWAYS expressed that love to his BLACK WOMAN.

Four Tops - "Ain't No Woman Like The One I've Got."

Temptations - "My Girl"

Just two of myriad love songs black men have written to black women. You know that if black rappers can poke fun at the fact that many white women don't have as much junk in the trunk as black girls have and make a music video of the song that is aired on white-run MTV, black male singers have the liberty to write love songs to white women if they wanted to. None seem to be so inclined.

What about all the songs calling when whores and bitches? Where's that love? Not to mention a song on top of the charts right now is advocating rape of a woman and the humilating her in the morning. That's some good love.

[sinjection]

Wasn't there a line in one of Kanye's songs about how a guy will "leave your ass for a white girl" or something?

Obviously not the whole point of the song, but its not like black guys categorically aren't attracted to white women.

Kanye having a little fun. That's all.

[lockerogue]

I'm a black guy and I love white women. Race is not an issue for me.



Interracial relationships are awesome.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Read my response to Nyssane on the previous page. :) That sums up my views on the question.

Yeah just skipped back and read. Thanks...

[Jake V]

Kanye having a little fun. That's all.

Well yeah. Sex with white women is pretty fun. :)

[RoguishGurl]

Interracial relationships are awesome.

Word, my current crush is a white man!!

[Nyssane]

To which I say, a black man who oppresses people based on sexual orientation is just as much a bigoted asshole as a white man who oppresses people based on race or skin color. ;)

It's worse, in my opinion.

Oppressed people should believe in Equal Rights for everyone, not just their own minority. It's even worse to think that someone who faces similar persecution sinks as low as their persecutors.

[Arilou]

Black men have written love songs to black women and white men have written love/lust songs to black women. No black male performer I could name has ever written such a song to a white woman, an hispanic woman, an Asian woman, or "other" woman.

Given the rather lucrative trafficking in white female slaves from the Caucasus and mediterrenean down to the Swahili states on the african east-costa.... You might be unable to name them but I am fairly certain it is not true.

Some white men seem to be obsessed with the sexuality of black females and females of color and portray them in ways not always flattering to their culture and character.

That statement is so general it cannot be denied. The same can be said for some black men. Or even some black women. Or asian women, or whatever have-you. It is so vague I do not think there is ANY group it cannot be said about. (Try "Some japanese blind women who fry their herring in oil rather than butter seem to be obsessed with the sexuality of black females...." and it will probably be true)

If those writers are going to write stories where black females are raped by white men,

Here I would agree, but mainly because I think rape is over-used as a plot-device IN GENERAL.

if those writers are going to write stories where black females are homosexual or bisexual

Here on the other hand I draw a complete blank. I'm happy to see more numerous and diverse homosexual characters in general, so why not?

Although we could use a homosexual black male superhero, as, AFAIK, there is none.

[sinjection]

I find it almost unbelievable that someone can be a fan of the X-Men and still discriminate against anyone.:eek: Is the reason for the X-Men is to show tolerance to everyone?

Why is it I can't find a black male mutant in any x(ploited) publication who hasn't been depowered, written under-powered and subservient...if the character is written as a "leader", it's only because he is a physically weak and thus, non-threatening black man. And you KNOW how the media represents physically powerful black men. See "Rocky" movies I,II and III and "Friday Night Lights."

Why is it black male mutants don't seem to live long enough to be established in any x(ploited) publication? Why is it that there are no black love relationships ever written into the x(ploited)-men publications?

Even the black man who took up with the saggy, baggy matron of the Guthrie family was killed at the end of the story.

Tolerance? All I see is zero tolerance where the black male - mutant or otherwise - is concerned where conversely, the black female is written in ways that seem to explore that particular writer's sexual fantasies where she is involved.

BTW, I am not now, nor will I ever be again, a fan of the x(ploited)-men.

[Brian M.]

Word, my current crush is a white man!!
Sorry sweetheart, it wouldn't work out.

[Alphaxman]

At one time black women really hated when a black man dated or married a white woman but now I see that more and more black women are dated white men. Now it’s the black men who are hating on the black women for that. I still hear black men hating on Halle for have that love scene with Billy Bob in Monster’s Ball. Not to mention the baby she’s having with the white male model (who’s gorgeous by the way).

[RoguishGurl]

Sorry sweetheart, it wouldn't work out.

OMG, my heart is broken into pieces!!! lol. btw I would never crush on someone that is taken.

[Froggy]

I'm a black guy and I love white women. Race is not an issue for me.



Interracial relationships are awesome.
women period love me........i think
OMG, my heart is broken into pieces!!! lol. btw I would never crush on someone that is taken. *walks away defeated knowing his chances are nil*

my haert is crusheded

[Brian M.]

OMG, my heart is broken into pieces!!! lol. btw I would never crush on someone that is taken.

Good, becuase I'd never date a black girl.






I'm kidding.

[RoguishGurl]

At one time black women really hated when a black man dated or married a white woman but now I see that more and more black women are dated white men. Now it’s the black men who are hating on the black women for that. I still hear black men hating on Halle for have that love scene with Billy Bob in Monster’s Ball. Not to mention the baby she’s having with the white male model (who’s gorgeous by the way).

OMG, their baby is going to be so pretty. Wait, aren't we suppose to be talking about Storms makeover?

Okay, that man does not draw afros right. Imagine how even more awesome that hairstyle would be if the afro was drawn right.

[Brian M.]

OMG, their baby is going to be so pretty. Wait, aren't we suppose to be talking about Storms makeover?

Okay, that man does not draw afros right. Imagine how even more awesome that hairstyle would be if the afro was drawn right.

MY GOD DAMN POINT EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It looks like....nevermind.

[RoguishGurl]

women period love me........i think
*walks away defeated knowing his chances are nil*

my haert is crusheded
Aww, don't feel crushed. Just because I have a crush on someone doesn't mean I can't crush on other people. That's why it's a crush!!

Good, becuase I'd never date a black girl.






I'm kidding.

Racist!!! I know your kidding!!

[Arilou]

Why is it I can't find a black male mutant in any x(ploited) publication who hasn't been depowered, written under-powered and subservient...if the character is written as a "leader", it's only because he is a physically weak and thus, non-threatening black man.

Actually most superhero teams tend to be lead by the physically non-threatening. Even Captain America is (when you see the company he keeps) Waaayyy less powerful than the others. Same thing with Reed Richards, Cyclops, and so on and so forth.

The leader can be powerful in his own right, but only rarely is *relatively* speaking among the more powerful in the group. It's part of the entire five-man-band dynamic.

Why is it black male mutants don't seem to live long enough to be established in any x(ploited) publication? Why is it that there are no black love relationships ever written into the x(ploited)-men publications?

Uhm, David is with Surge at the moment. (Black man, asian girl)

[lockerogue]

I've loved Salvador ever since he drew X-Treme. The hair is a little terrible but I still like the cover because she looks like Pam Grier. It wouldn't look so bad if the hair was brown or black.

[Arilou]

OMG, their baby is going to be so pretty. Wait, aren't we suppose to be talking about Storms makeover?

Okay, that man does not draw afros right. Imagine how even more awesome that hairstyle would be if the afro was drawn right.

It kind of looks like Nichole Nichols (sp?) hairstyle in Heroes.

[Froggy]

OMG, their baby is going to be so pretty. Wait, aren't we suppose to be talking about Storms makeover?

Okay, that man does not draw afros right. Imagine how even more awesome that hairstyle would be if the afro was drawn right.
truth. there's a few artists that do. and question. Who drew sinister's dreads?

those were niiiiiiiiiiiiiice

i could see frenzy being envious
Aww, don't feel crushed. Just because I have a crush on someone doesn't mean I can't crush on other people. That's why it's a crush!!



Racist!!! I know your kidding!!

THERES A CHANCE!

[sinjection]

Isn't that exactly what is happening in Black Panther?

I believe so. And that may be one big reason why many white comicbook fans have a negative reaction to the publication.

Once surrounded by every hue of humanoid being except black, Ororo is now married to a black man and rules beside that black man as ruler of a black nation. Many white fans hate that.

T'Challa, Photon, Luke Cage, Brother Voodoo and Blade all worked as a team to defeat a threat to New Orleans. Where in the history of comicbooks has there ever been a story written featuring a team-up of black characters? No where I suspect. There were some posts by white fans I read which referred to that story as being racist because the heroes were black and the vampires were mostly white.

Who besides Hudlin will ever write a story which establishes a closer relationship between black characters? It didn't happen before Hudlin. I suspect it won't happen again after Hudlin decides to move on to other things, who for the sake of T'Challa and Ororo, won't be for years to come.

[Alphaxman]

Why is it I can't find a black male mutant in any x(ploited) publication who hasn't been depowered, written under-powered and subservient...if the character is written as a "leader", it's only because he is a physically weak and thus, non-threatening black man. And you KNOW how the media represents physically powerful black men. See "Rocky" movies I,II and III and "Friday Night Lights."

Why is it black male mutants don't seem to live long enough to be established in any x(ploited) publication? Why is it that there are no black love relationships ever written into the x(ploited)-men publications?

Even the black man who took up with the saggy, baggy matron of the Guthrie family was killed at the end of the story.

Tolerance? All I see is zero tolerance where the black male - mutant or otherwise - is concerned where conversely, the black female is written in ways that seem to explore that particular writer's sexual fantasies where she is involved.

BTW, I am not now, nor will I ever be again, a fan of the x(ploited)-men.

Hay I can totally see where you’re coming from. Synch was one of my favorite characters but two wrongs don’t make it right. I hope that one day they will create a powerful black man and use him more then once a decade. But that’s because I’m black man but I’m also gay and I feel that I’m a little more tolerate then most.

[RoguishGurl]

It kind of looks like Nichole Nichols (sp?) hairstyle in Heroes.
Yeah, it does now that you mention it.

THERES A CHANCE!

Aww, you're a sweetheart. :)

[sinjection]

It doesn't get you higher up the totem pole, honey, its just bad karma.

You don't know me. "Honey" is out.

My final word with regard to this issue.

If they're going to write a bi-sexual Ororo, there shouldn't be any resistance to more heterosexual love relationships between black male and black female superheroes.

[Arilou]

You don't know me. "Honey" is out.

My final word with regard to this issue.

If they're going to write a bi-sexual Ororo, there shouldn't be any resistance to more heterosexual love relationships between black male and black female superheroes.

Has anyone actually voiced any specific dissent on this one?

[Alphaxman]

I try, I try

but on the subject of this storm cover. Is this an alternate storm or does storm go undercover or some isht?

I take it this panther might be like a freedom fighter or better yet....global dictator? that'd be crazy, to see him as one of those "I'm two steps ahead of you so prepare to get pwned" doom-esque dictator

I think it may be back in time where they met up with real Black Panther members.

[Faded]

You don't know me. "Honey" is out.

My final word with regard to this issue.

If they're going to write a bi-sexual Ororo, there shouldn't be any resistance to more heterosexual love relationships between black male and black female superheroes.

LOL whatever.

Your final word is fine and agreeable.

[Jake V]

You don't know me. "Honey" is out.

My final word with regard to this issue.

If they're going to write a bi-sexual Ororo, there shouldn't be any resistance to more heterosexual love relationships between black male and black female superheroes.

Honestly, I just don't see the resistance to black/black relationships.

I think that maybe at the time it happened, the marriage met derision because the whole thing was conceived as a marriage first, relationship second, and that definitely rubbed me the wrong way, even though I like the marriage today. If the relationship-to-marriage played out over a year or two like most marriages seem to do, I doubt that many people would have had a problem with it.

I think that me and a majority of comic book readers have no problem with black characters getting together with other black characters. The problem is simply with isolationism in any form.

[sinjection]

Uhm, David is with Surge at the moment. (Black man, asian girl)

Uhm, I meant a black male mutant in a love relationship with a black female mutant.

There is only one prominent love relationship featuring a black male superhero and a black female superhero. That's troublesome.

[RoguishGurl]

Uhm, I meant a black male mutant in a love relationship with a black female mutant.

There is only one prominent love relationship featuring a black male superhero and a black female superhero. That's troublesome.

Have you ever thought that the interracial relationships show progression? I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i was just wondering.

K back to the topic, Storm's outfit is cute. I would wear that!!

[Froggy]

Uhm, I meant a black male mutant in a love relationship with a black female mutant.

There is only one prominent love relationship featuring a black male superhero and a black female superhero. That's troublesome.

there was synch and Gaia and synch with monet, if you want to count them


man gen x was cool

[CmX]

Uhm, I meant a black male mutant in a love relationship with a black female mutant.

There is only one prominent love relationship featuring a black male superhero and a black female superhero. That's troublesome.


What's troublesome about a black person being coupled with a white person? Are you racist against bi-racial relationships? That's how I'm reading it.

[XPac]

Have you ever thought that the interracial relationships show progression? I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i was just wondering.

I think so.

I'm sure asians (arguably moreso than even african americans) can argue they're being under-represented. So having an african american pair up with an asian basically kills 2 birds with one stone.

[Arilou]

Uhm, I meant a black male mutant in a love relationship with a black female mutant.

There is only one prominent love relationship featuring a black male superhero and a black female superhero. That's troublesome.

There are NO romantic relationships between two swedish superheroes in the MU.

Sucks to be me, right?

I'm not *entirely* certain of it, but I think it works even if you expand the criteria to "prominent European superheroes".

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I believe so. And that may be one big reason why many white comicbook fans have a negative reaction to the publication.Once surrounded by every hue of humanoid being except black, Ororo is now married to a black man and rules beside that black man as ruler of a black nation. Many white fans hate that.

T'Challa, Photon, Luke Cage, Brother Voodoo and Blade all worked as a team to defeat a threat to New Orleans. Where in the history of comicbooks has there ever been a story written featuring a team-up of black characters? No where I suspect. There were some posts by white fans I read which referred to that story as being racist because the heroes were black and the vampires were mostly white.

Who besides Hudlin will ever write a story which establishes a closer relationship between black characters? It didn't happen before Hudlin. I suspect it won't happen again after Hudlin decides to move on to other things, who for the sake of T'Challa and Ororo, won't be for years to come.

Ohhh yes blame those white comic book fans. Blame them for the knocks against the series or how their keeping the title down. Its beyond silly how bad this is constantly. How you keep dragging this up with NO PROOF WHATSOEVER ! None , no poll ...nothing. Just your twisted racist parania brought on.

What's troublesome about a black person being coupled with a white person? Are you racist against bi-racial relationships? That's how I'm reading it.

He pretty much admitted it weeks ago in the last locked Storm thread. Give me a few minutes and I can get you a link.

[sinjection]

Has anyone actually voiced any specific dissent on this one?

I suggested a Monica Rambeau/Bishop 'ship...Set sail, y'all! Set sail! :D and there wasn't one response...not one of many, that was positive.

It was "they didn't know each other..." and "Genis-Vell would be a better match" - yet another interracial relationship.

The reason black characters don't have the history of interaction they should is because writers haven't written them into situations where such interaction could take place. Only Hudlin seems willing to do this.

There are more love relationships between white characters than there are love relationships between black characters. There are more interracial love relationships than there are love relationships between black characters. I don't see that as diversity.

Write Ororo bi-sexual. If I had my way, it wouldn't be so, but if that's how it must be....

But there should be reciprocity. I should be able to see more love relationships between black male super characters and black female super characters....and Ororo should be released from the x(ploited)-men plantation as soon as this latest bit of "x mess" is over. She's a married woman and the Queen of a nation. She has no business running about with "the old crowd".

[sinjection]

Have you ever thought that the interracial relationships show progression? I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, i was just wondering.

There are more interracial relationships than there are same race relationships between black characters. Do you see that as a positive?

K back to the topic, Storm's outfit is cute. I would wear that!!

With this cover, Salvador Larocca has drawn the best Storm illustration ever published. He shows once again that Ororo is the most beautiful female character in ALL OF COMICS. She has no equal.

[tangentman]

Maybe Monica fans simply find Bishop too boring and incompatible for her? If she's hooking up with a superhero, what's wrong with a Monica/Sam Wilson relationship? They've both served with the Avengers, have friends & experiences in common, and he's WAY more down-to-earth than Bishop. I can't see Monica dating a man as uptight as Bishop, regardless of his race.

The only complaint I've seen from fans across the board about the Storm/Black Panther marriage was the rushed and, frankly, superficial nature of the event. If Marvel had given us a story where the relationship grew organically, I'm sure you would have seen majority support from fans of ALL races. You would have seen a black man and black woman build intimacy before they pursued romance. You would have seen Ororo working alongside a strong, charismatic, brilliant, and handsome black man over a lengthy period. Hell, she would have been associating with numerous people of color--Wakandans--and building cultural bridges.


Instead, the clumsy writers hyped and rushed the event to build up the Black Panther series. I fault the general sloppiness of Marvel these days, instead of condemning the depiction of strong black couples. I'm all for seeing relationships of same race, interrace, same sex, opposite sex, whatever in comics. However, let's make them believable first, and politically relevant second.

[RoguishGurl]

There are more interracial relationships than there are same race relationships between black characters. Do you see that as a positive?
yep, I do. It's shows a change to mean and change from racism is good in my eyes. Especially since I have been judged before for being in an interracial relationship.

With this cover, Salvador Larocca has drawn the best Storm illustration ever published. He shows once again that Ororo is the most beautiful female character in ALL OF COMICS. She has no equal.

Eh, I don't think it is the best illustration of storm, though I agree with you that Storm is very beautiful.

[RoguishGurl]

Yeah. You can never go wrong with the original. Do you know how many drag queen would kill for that hair. LOL

Do you know how much I would kill for that hair!!

[Arilou]

I suggested a Monica Rambeau/Bishop 'ship...Set sail, y'all! Set sail! and there wasn't one response...not one of many, that was positive.

Hmmm, it might actually work. They'd certainly be almost horribly brokenly powerful. Hmmm, and they are both police officers too.

It could work.

It was "they didn't know each other..."

Well, yes, they don't.

"Genis-Vell would be a better match" - yet another interracial relationship.

Well, just because others prefer other ships doesen't neccessarily mean yours is invalid (or even that they consider yours invalid)

Shippers tend to be a sharp and edgy bunch overall though.

The reason black characters don't have the history of interaction they should is because writers haven't written them into situations where such interaction could take place.

That I agree with. The problem most people have is that if you want to pair black characters together (for whatever reason) you should START with the interaction and let the pairing grow organically. Not set a pairing up first and let it go from there.

There are more love relationships between white characters than there are love relationships between black characters

True, there are also more white characters than black characters overall. (Which is a separate but related problem)

There are more interracial love relationships than there are love relationships between black characters

That is really not so strange. The problem (as usual) lies with the lack of black characters *in general' because most of them were created (or at least used) as tokens in some capacity or other you end with one black character and a bunch of white characters (with the odd latino or asian thrown into the mix) so when you start thinking up relationships "naturally" the black character will pair-off with a white character.... Because there are no black characters for them to pair up with. They are all off in different teams, with very little (practical) ways for them to interact.

Taking these black heroes out of their current teams and creating a "black superhero team" really isn't a very good solution (although it might work as a side-show, with characters keeping their regular team positiions as well as being in the Black Defenders or whatever) the solution would be to create more black (or for that matter, asian, latino, or otherwise....) superheroes in general, rather than having the token black on the team there should be more black superheroes in general, more black-on-black (if that is such an issue) pairings would develop "naturally" if that were the case.

I don't see that as diversity.


That's diversity, interracial pairings would tend to add to the diversity (as there are simply a greater number of combinations possible) that said, I don'tm disagree with your core point.

But there should be reciprocity. I should be able to see more love relationships between black male super characters and black female super characters....and Ororo should be released from the x(ploited)-men plantation as soon as this latest bit of "x mess" is over. She's a married woman and the Queen of a nation. She has no business running about with "the old crowd".

They are also her closest friends and associates, they include some of her confidantes and former lovers. (Not to mention a considerable potential supply of powerful individuals) she would be a fool to neglect them entirely. Especially if they might at some point in the future become useful. The wise politician never leaves a weapon unattended :p

[Question27]

Maybe Monica fans simply find Bishop too boring and incompatible for her? If she's hooking up with a superhero, what's wrong with a Monica/Sam Wilson relationship? They've both served with the Avengers, have friends & experiences in common, and he's WAY more down-to-earth than Bishop. I can't see Monica dating a man as uptight as Bishop, regardless of his race.

The only complaint I've seen from fans across the board about the Storm/Black Panther marriage was the rushed and, frankly, superficial nature of the event. If Marvel had given us a story where the relationship grew organically, I'm sure you would have seen majority support from fans of ALL races. You would have seen a black man and black woman build intimacy before they pursued romance. You would have seen Ororo working alongside a strong, charismatic, brilliant, and handsome black man over a lengthy period. Hell, she would have been associating with numerous people of color--Wakandans--and building cultural bridges.


Instead, the clumsy writers hyped and rushed the event to build up the Black Panther series. I fault the general sloppiness of Marvel these days, instead of condemning the depiction of strong black couples. I'm all for seeing relationships of same race, interrace, same sex, opposite sex, whatever in comics. However, let's make them believable first, and politically relevant second.

I was on that thread, and one person did suggest a Sam/Monica relationship that he seems to have forgotten. A few of the people posting said that would make more sense then Bishop/Monica.

And now back to topic. The picture is interesting. And from the solict for it, they're fighting against Gangster Skrulls, with the Panthers.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I suggested a Monica Rambeau/Bishop 'ship...Set sail, y'all! Set sail! :D and there wasn't one response...not one of many, that was positive.

It was "they didn't know each other..." and "Genis-Vell would be a better match" - yet another interracial relationship.

A lot of what you propose is just characters who are the same race. With nothing in common or characters who are much older than what you'd expect. As far as Bishop and Monica goes....it could work. With the right writer. Both are pro registration now.....so it could work.


The reason black characters don't have the history of interaction they should is because writers haven't written them into situations where such interaction could take place. Only Hudlin seems willing to do this.

Yeah its a shame you missed Powerman & Iron Fist where Cage was seeing a black woman for a few years. The excuse to just throw black characters into a book to do it....really whats the point. The story should make sense and be good for the characters to be there. If the stories are good people won't care if Monica, Bishop and Storm all meet and discuss things or others.

There are more love relationships between white characters than there are love relationships between black characters. There are more interracial love relationships than there are love relationships between black characters. I don't see that as diversity.

Well to be honest theres not many big name black superhero characters beyond , Cage,Blade , and Panther in the Marvel Universe. So its kinda hard to have that huge a diversity for you.

Write Ororo bi-sexual. If I had my way, it wouldn't be so, but if that's how it must be....

Yeah so ? I mean we know you hate it. But its been established. Its not us who made her bi-sexual it was prior writers you choose to ignore and cover your eyes to not read.

But there should be reciprocity. I should be able to see more love relationships between black male super characters and black female super characters....and Ororo should be released from the x(ploited)-men plantation as soon as this latest bit of "x mess" is over. She's a married woman and the Queen of a nation. She has no business running about with "the old crowd".

Yeah I know..... their white and all. Why would she possiblty wanna hang around some white people ?:rolleyes:

[Alphaxman]

The problem with that is that you barely have to black character in the same book to have them grow in love organically. And if you do some will cry that it was ‘forced’. I’m all for interracial couples but lets cut out some of the white one white love too and have nothing but interracial love going on.

[RoguishGurl]

The problem with that is that you barely have to black character in the same book to have them grow in love organically. And if you do some will cry that it was ‘forced’. I’m all for interracial couples but lets cut out some of the white one white love too and have nothing but interracial love going on.

Let's do it. Then after a few thousand years, everyone would be mixed and then there wouldn't be racism and every thread dealing with Storm would stay on topic!!

I want her boots!!!

[sinjection]

yep, I do. It's shows a change to mean and change from racism is good in my eyes. Especially since I have been judged before for being in an interracial relationship.

You see an interracial relationship as more positive than a love relationship between a black superhero and a black superheroine. I don't. Nothing against such relationships. As I once told you, I've dated interracially. In this case however, I see a problem with there being at present, only one prominent love relationship between a black male and black female character when there are already so many interracial relationships.

There is definitely something wrong with that picture.

[Slung]

The Song of Solomon. King Solomon's love song to the Queen of Sheba.


Song of Solomon was not to the Queen of Sheba. Solomon was never married to the Queen of Sheba. It is however thought that she could be one of the Pharoah's daughters (and thus black). Still not Queen of Sheba though. And Solomon had many wives, many wives. This one he singled out as special and important. Hardly seems that he is exploiting her.

I still hear black men hating on Halle for have that love scene with Billy Bob in Monster’s Ball. Not to mention the baby she’s having with the white male model (who’s gorgeous by the way).
Halle Berry's mom is white. She is half white and half black. It makes sense for her to feel comfortable in an inter-racial relationship.

I didn't want to reply, but I have to say this. It is wrong to be homophobic. Period. Gays are people too and it is not right to talk badly against them. It is wrong.

also, interracial couples are cool. I've dated many white boys and I was attracted to them all. I've also black boys and I liked them too. I'm also attracted asians and hispanics and arabic men.

So to say that Storm shouldn't be bisexual and in a interracial relationship is wrong in my opinion. All that matters is that she's happy and in love, and if that is with BP so be it, if it is with another woman or a white man, so be it. It doesn't matter!

You're awesome and I love you. There, I said it. :)

[RoguishGurl]

You see an interracial relationship as more positive than a love relationship between a black superhero and a black superheroine. I don't. Nothing against such relationships. As I once told you, I've dated interracially. In this case however, I see a problem with there being at present, only one prominent love relationship between a black male and black female character when there are already so many interracial relationships.

There is definitely something wrong with that picture.

Well, I see progression in the moving past racial barriers and uniting as one as positive. I'm not saying same race relationships aren't positive, but if you are only staying in a relationship because of race, and not other things, then that is wrong. You make it sound like you like Storm and BP only because they are black. I think it would be better to advocate a relationship because they are truly in love.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well, I see progression in the moving past racial barriers and uniting as one as positive. I'm not saying same race relationships aren't positive, but if you are only staying in a relationship because of race, and not other things, then that is wrong. You make it sound like you like Storm and BP only because they are black. I think it would be better to advocate a relationship because they are truly in love.

Pretty much my thoughts. Now looking back at the recent Uncannty #491 , now at the end of this latest arc , Hezbollah (Cat-Girl) pretty much tells Warpath she knows he wants to...ya know. Since she 1st met him.

Now looking back at the scene where Tan drew her dancing on the table with Warpath giving her that , look you can pretty much see they were leading the 2 to be a couple. So its fun. Heres an alien girl who is a cat with a Native American . And I think its nice for the characters and should be interesting to watch .

[RoguishGurl]

Pretty much my thoughts. Now looking back at the recent Uncannty #491 , now at the end of this latest arc , Hezbollah (Cat-Girl) pretty much tells Warpath she knows he wants to...ya know. Since she 1st met him.

Now looking back at the scene where Tan drew her dancing on the table with Warpath giving her that , look you can pretty much see they were leading the 2 to be a couple. So its fun. Heres an alien girl who is a cat with a Native American . And I think its nice for the characters and should be interesting to watch .

Ooh, that should be interesting.

[sinjection]

Hmmm, it might actually work. They'd certainly be almost horribly brokenly powerful. Hmmm, and they are both police officers too.

It could work.

It SHOULD work.

Well, yes, they don't.

And why is that? The answer is in your own statement:

The problem (as usual) lies with the lack of black characters *in general' because most of them were created (or at least used) as tokens in some capacity or other you end with one black character and a bunch of white characters (with the odd latino or asian thrown into the mix) so when you start thinking up relationships "naturally" the black character will pair-off with a white character.... Because there are no black characters for them to pair up with. They are all off in different teams, with very little (practical) ways for them to interact.

Look at the roster of black superheroes and black superheroines in the MU. There are almost enough to begin a separate comicbook company. Plenty of characters in the pool to select for romantic relationships with each other. There is simply no good reason to continue pairing black characters in romantic relationships with characters outside of their race. However, writers often isolate those black characters from each other. Hudlin is the only writer attempting to correct this very serious problem.

Taking these black heroes out of their current teams and creating a "black superhero team" really isn't a very good solution

I don't see why not. How many times has Hawkeye left a team and joined another? The way stories are written which feature black characters in teams where most are white, it's as if those characters become isolated from other black characters. This is reminiscent of the argument many black social workers had against white families adopting black children. Those white families tended to isolate those black children from the greater black community. That damaged the child. You can see how it has damaged the black Marvel Comics superhero character.

Storm needs to evolve beyond the x(ploited)-men. Not long ago, x-writers didn't know what to do with her and x-fans didn't care if she just faded into oblivion. Now that she is married to a black man, it's as if the x-fans are spoiled children who see another child enjoying a toy which they've discarded. Ororo is in a better situation with the Panther and in Wakanda than she ever was as a member of the x(ploited)-men.

You need only look at the beautiful Ororo gracing the cover of BLACK PANTHER #34 to see what wonders her being around more black people have done for her. She's GORGEOUS!

[Arilou]

I don't see why not.

Because if you did that would mean lots of superhero teams would be without black characters altogether (not, a problem in itself, mind) AND that the relationships (not neccessarily romantic) that said characters had formed would be disrupted. Moving characters from one team to another could be problematic.

Again, it would not be a problem at all if there were more black superheroes in general. (That is where, I think, the problem lies)

Now, if you were talking having them guest-star in several teams, that's a different matter altogether. There's no reason Cage can't be a member of the NA and a hypotethical black superhero team.

Storm needs to evolve beyond the x(ploited)-men. Not long ago, x-writers didn't know what to do with her and x-fans didn't care if she just faded into oblivion.

I'm not entirely disagreeing, she certainly has found (and should find) a new role that is different from what she held as an X-man. But that doesen't mean she should sever all connections with her former life. For all of their problematic ties the X-men are a useful group: Charles Xavier alone is probably worth a few divisions himself. As Queen it is her *duty* to keep relations with potential allies open. And that is in ADDITION to the duties she still has as a friend of the X-men.

While your relationship with your old friends is likely to change when you get married, and you probably will make new ones, abondoning them entirely is bad form.

[XPac]

Storm needs to evolve beyond the x(ploited)-men. Not long ago, x-writers didn't know what to do with her and x-fans didn't care if she just faded into oblivion. Now that she is married to a black man, it's as if the x-fans are spoiled children who see another child enjoying a toy which they've discarded. Ororo is in a better situation with the Panther and in Wakanda than she ever was as a member of the x(ploited)-men.



You make a lot of assumptions about X fans. There are plenty that have always liked Storm and would dislike the idea of her fading into oblivion. For the better part of a decade, she was the teams leader.

And when she was removed from that position, Claremont made another X-Men title and put her in charge of that. Though her role overall isn't as prominant as it once was during the Xbooks peak during the 90's, she's always been a popular high profile character. I'll wager the majority of writers and X fans, Storm fading from oblivian wouldn't be desirable in the least. To so