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billdo75

09-14-2004, 11:46 AM

Bah! Hulk Strongest one there is! Hulk beat Rock Man, Helmet Head, Man who Talk funny, Uglyman and Horn nose! Hulk smash!

Really though, I don't think Hulk's ever bested Thor.

WAAAAAYYYYYYYY back in the day, I had a Thor comic that had him and Hulk fighting. I remember Thor kinda pulling his punches a bit because they were in the middle of a city and he was concerned about causing more damage than was necessary. The Hulk had no concerns whatsoever and proceeded to pound the living crap out of him. I remember the last couple panels. Hulk leaped away into the distance and then they showed Thor's bruised and bloody face. Technically, I call it a draw...they were both upright at the end. Good stuff!

johnny mo

09-14-2004, 03:18 PM

SteelTownr

09-14-2004, 07:14 PM

Odinpower-infused Thor could reasonably take on Hulk in a hand to hand beatdown, IMO.

And there's one guy who'd never be able to beat the Hulk, but the Hulk would never be able to beat him either: Unus the Untouchable.

The Hulk has already proven that Unus the Untouchable is a misnomer in Marvel Fanfare #7.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/51633025122.7.GIF

As far as Hulk vs. Thor goes, that belongs on the Rumbles Board, but Goldilocks knows who the Strongest One is.

Mark B.

Jonathanos

09-14-2004, 08:59 PM

valentine

09-14-2004, 09:20 PM

Hulk strength can't be charted because of it's connection to his anger. Juggernaut, Thor, etc all have a strength cap, while Hulk's strength could not only match, but exponentially pass theirs.

Theoretically, he could beat anyone if his purple knickers were in a proper twist.

Zenith10

09-14-2004, 09:22 PM

Don't think you can count Thor as he has more than strength and invunerability going for him. With his hammer he can fly and can call down lighting strikes, that ain't no level playing field!!!

Tuan

09-15-2004, 01:35 AM

Juggernaut would either stalemate or beat the Hulk. Juggernaut's invulnerable. And not in the comic "he's really durable" way but in the dictionary "cannot be hurt, period" way.

Billdo, the issue you're thinking of is Thor #385. Thor wasn't pulling his punches for most of the fight. There are several mentions of Thor being out of control and oblivious to those around him.
I definitely remember that issue. Hulk held someone hostage till Thor threw his hammer away to make it a fair fight. Hulk leaped away once he lost interest in Thor and left him all bruised and Thor questioning what manner of beast the Hulk was that he could do such a thing. They pretty much fought all issue from beginning to end. I believe you're right. Thor never held back. It was also drawn by Erik Larsen. The cover by Frenz was asskickin', back when Frenz was much better penciler.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/87387731330.385.GIF

Tuan

09-15-2004, 02:25 AM

As for who can beat the Hulk in a standing fight?

We all know Python Princess's snake can do the job. :D

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/41319167562.470.GIF

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 06:05 AM

Juggernaut would either stalemate or beat the Hulk. Juggernaut's invulnerable. And not in the comic "he's really durable" way but in the dictionary "cannot be hurt, period" way.

The thing about the Hulk is that he is the master of the impossible. I could picture him finding the strength to overcome the Cyttorak.

Billdo, the issue you're thinking of is Thor #385. Thor wasn't pulling his punches for most of the fight. There are several mentions of Thor being out of control and oblivious to those around him.

No Doubt, the Hulk put a licking on him in that one and left with a smirk on his face.

Mark B.

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 06:07 AM

As for who can beat the Hulk in a standing fight?

We all know Python Princess's snake can do the job. :D

Tuan,

Elvis said "Don't be cruel" :)

Mark B.

marshal99

09-15-2004, 07:19 AM

Count Nefaria , Thanos , Juggernaut , Silver Surfer , Champion .

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk250-5.jpg

Dark Soul # 7

09-15-2004, 07:47 AM

Thanos can, and has, beat Hulk with only his strength.
Thor and Juggernaut are probably the ones who are closest to Hulk in terms of strength, at least until he get´s to mad for even them. You should know that Juggernaut has beaten Hulk once.
Other who can match Hulk are Absorbing man, Thing, Abomination, Wonderman.
Guys like Rhino and Coloussus can match him when he´s calmer but when he get´s mad their dead.
Another who can beat angry Hulk is of course Superman.

Consumate

09-15-2004, 09:08 AM

Doc Samson did.
although huge Hulk fans will dispute it.

when it was over Doc was standing Hulk was not.

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 10:00 AM

Doc Samson did.
although huge Hulk fans will dispute it.

when it was over Doc was standing Hulk was not.

You are being a bit simplistic, aren't you?

Tell the whole story, to be fair.

Mark B.

Consumate

09-15-2004, 10:33 AM

Alright!

He sucker punched him!......OK everybody happy now!

poor guy gets the bag beat out of him evertime he fights big green, you think he'd get some credit.

Nobody loves Doc Samson. :(

AntiThesis

09-15-2004, 10:50 AM

Jomero

09-15-2004, 11:11 AM

Thanos can, and has, beat Hulk with only his strength.

When was this? Sounds like a Starlin-written plot.

Starlin likes to "gratify" himself with pictures of Thanos and then make him more powerful than God. I don't say that to be mean, but to be factual.

:D

http://www.xsorbit4.com/users/hulklibrary/Attachment/Thn.JPG

Thanos sounds like he's fairly scared of the Hulk. Why would someone who could beat the Hulk on strength alone say something like that? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

-Jomero

Dark Soul # 7

09-15-2004, 11:44 AM

are we sure super man can beat the hulk? to be honest i always thought of him as one of the few non-cosmic marvel charachters who could give a fair fight to Superman, i mean do you think doomsday could beat up the Hulk? no i contend Doomsday would be ground to a rocky stump by the Hulk, Hulk at his anrgiest is stronger then mostly everybody

Calm down dude. I didn´t say that Hulk would get whooped by Superman. What I mean is that Supes can knock Hulk out before he grows angry enough to bbeat the man of steel.

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 11:46 AM

Alright!

He sucker punched him!......OK everybody happy now!

poor guy gets the bag beat out of him evertime he fights big green, you think he'd get some credit.

Nobody loves Doc Samson. :(

Hey,

Doc Made a play for Betty, big No-No!

Mark B.

Dark Soul # 7

09-15-2004, 12:16 PM

When was this? Sounds like a Starlin-written plot.

Starlin likes to "gratify" himself with pictures of Thanos and then make him more powerful than God. I don't say that to be mean, but to be factual.

:D

http://www.xsorbit4.com/users/hulklibrary/Attachment/Thn.JPG

Thanos sounds like he's fairly scared of the Hulk. Why would someone who could beat the Hulk on strength alone say something like that? Things that make you go Hmmmm.

-Jomero

Ok it hasn´t happend, I added the "...with only his strength" to honor the thread.

But Peter David, who wrote the Hulk for 12 years, himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk.
If you don´t belive me then check this link.

http://thanos.crowfans.com/powers.html

Brian888

09-15-2004, 02:01 PM

As has been pointed out, old school Juggernaut could go toe-to-toe with Hulk, did so on numerous occasions, and held his own. It really is the battle of the Unstoppable Force vs. The Immovable Object. Hulk can always get stronger than Juggernaut, but Hulk can also get tired, which the old Juggernaut was immune to. And no matter how strong Hulk gets, physical strength alone really isn't the way to beat Juggernaut; he was just that invulnerable.

Jomero

09-15-2004, 02:10 PM

Ok it hasn´t happend, I added the "...with only his strength" to honor the thread.

But Peter David, who wrote the Hulk for 12 years, himself has said that Thanos is stronger than the Hulk.
If you don´t belive me then check this link.

http://thanos.crowfans.com/powers.html

Hmmm. According to that article, who is quoting a guy who says he got his email from PAD (no real links to quotes from PAD that can be confirmed) he says this:

To quote Ramus, he asked "if he ( Peter David ) thought Thanos was on a physical strength level higher than Hulk at any time he was writing (meaning various incarnations)."

David's reply was simple, answering: "Yeah, probably. Thanos is kind of in his own weight class."

That doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk. Just means he starts out more powerful. In fact that's what the question asked, if if Thanos started out stronger than the Hulk. He didn't ask "Can Thanos beat Hulk?" Lots of people can start out more powerful than the Hulk. Doesn't mean they can beat him. Thanos, however strong, cunning, etc. his powers are still finite. They have limits.

Hulk's power is not finite. It has no boundaries. No limits.

This is why Hulk will conquer anyone he faces. And the madder you make him, not only does he get stronger, but he gets that much harder to destroy as his healing factor scales up with his anger alongside his strength.

Brian888

09-15-2004, 02:18 PM

Hmmm. According to that article, who is quoting a guy who says he got his email from PAD (no real links to quotes from PAD that can be confirmed) he says this:

To quote Ramus, he asked "if he ( Peter David ) thought Thanos was on a physical strength level higher than Hulk at any time he was writing (meaning various incarnations)."

David's reply was simple, answering: "Yeah, probably. Thanos is kind of in his own weight class."

That doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk. Just means he starts out more powerful. In fact that's what the question asked, if if Thanos started out stronger than the Hulk. He didn't ask "Can Thanos beat Hulk?" Lots of people can start out more powerful than the Hulk. Doesn't mean they can beat him. Thanos, however strong, cunning, etc. his powers are still finite. They have limits.

Hulk's power is not finite. It has no boundaries. No limits.

This is why Hulk will conquer anyone he faces. And the madder you make him, not only does he get stronger, but he gets that much harder to destroy as his healing factor scales up with his anger alongside his strength.

The downside to Hulk's potentially limitless strength, however, is that his rage, like any other emotion, is fickle. A smart powerhouse could wait out Hulk's rampage somewhere and then sucker-punch him when he's calmed down.

Jomero

09-15-2004, 03:03 PM

The downside to Hulk's potentially limitless strength, however, is that his rage, like any other emotion, is fickle. A smart powerhouse could wait out Hulk's rampage somewhere and then sucker-punch him when he's calmed down.

True, and anybody could grab a piece of kryptonite and ram it up Superman's arse or travel back in time and kill Batman's parents before he was conceived.

But it wouldn't make an interesting fight and it wouldn't be considered a "standing fight" which is what the title of this thread is.

Brian888

09-15-2004, 03:11 PM

True, and anybody could grab a piece of kryptonite and ram it up Superman's arse or travel back in time and kill Batman's parents before he was conceived.

But it wouldn't make an interesting fight and it wouldn't be considered a "standing fight" which is what the title of this thread is.

Well, to be fair, waiting out a rampage is a lot easier, and much more valid (and easy) "standing fight" strategy than obtaining kryptonite or travelling through time. But your point is taken.

I just had another thought: Kitty Pryde. She can be very, very mean if she wants to be. In an issue of Excalibur, she sank into the earth, grabbed Thor by the ankles, pulled him halfway into the ground, and let go (they thought they were fighting Juggernaut, actually, because someone had put an illusion spell on Thor or something). Why he didn't immediately die from being phased into the ground, I don't know, but the only way Thor got out of that was by using the magic in his hammer. Hulk wouldn't be able to free himself without help, and he wouldn't be able to hurt Kitty at all (it takes magic, mental mojo or some forms of EM radiation to do anything to her when she's phased). It would eventually be a very ugly death.

JCMAHAL

09-15-2004, 03:48 PM

on a standing battle in neutral ground where both fighters are just in their "starting" power level beings like Thor, Juggy, Thing can beat the Hulk, since they are stronger at that point they can instead of angering him right away get in a good attack that would put him out, at his calmed power level, if they are stupid enough to get him powered up they deserve to loose

cable guy

09-15-2004, 03:58 PM

hulk trully is the stongest one there is. that being said, in a fight the only two that could possibly best him are Superman and Thor.
Juggernaut however would not do so well. he could hold his own granted, but after Hulk rips his helmet off it would be goodnight Juggy.

Jonathanos

09-15-2004, 04:49 PM

http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/hulk250-5.jpg

Surfer's power was greatly augmented by Banner's gamma treatment in that pic. Strength alone, Surfer's not the favorite.

Jonathanos

09-15-2004, 04:52 PM

Another who can beat angry Hulk is of course Superman.

Under the rules of the thread, the Hulk beats Superman. It's strength only. Superman's giving up heat vision, superspeed, flight, and his cold breath. He goes down.

Jonathanos

09-15-2004, 04:56 PM

Well, to be fair, waiting out a rampage is a lot easier, and much more valid (and easy) "standing fight" strategy than obtaining kryptonite or travelling through time. But your point is taken.

I just had another thought: Kitty Pryde. She can be very, very mean if she wants to be. In an issue of Excalibur, she sank into the earth, grabbed Thor by the ankles, pulled him halfway into the ground, and let go (they thought they were fighting Juggernaut, actually, because someone had put an illusion spell on Thor or something). Why he didn't immediately die from being phased into the ground, I don't know, but the only way Thor got out of that was by using the magic in his hammer. Hulk wouldn't be able to free himself without help, and he wouldn't be able to hurt Kitty at all (it takes magic, mental mojo or some forms of EM radiation to do anything to her when she's phased). It would eventually be a very ugly death.

Kitty should still be vulnerable to the thunderclap. Hulk's hurting and in a very bad position... but Kitty's eardrums are burst and she's unconscious on the ground.

Tuan

09-15-2004, 05:05 PM

I was also under the impression that Surfer cannot match the Hulk in strength but needs to use his Power Cosmic to enhance his strength. By using his Power Cosmic that would be additional power, which disqualifies Surfer.

And does The Champion used cosmic engeries to agument his strength as well, seeing as he's an Elder and all? Or is he all strength? Cause if he's all strength, I think he could give Hulk a good fight. Not sure if he can beat Hulk though.

K.E. Woolfork

09-15-2004, 05:30 PM

Brian888

09-15-2004, 08:06 PM

Brian888

09-15-2004, 08:10 PM

Kitty should still be vulnerable to the thunderclap. Hulk's hurting and in a very bad position... but Kitty's eardrums are burst and she's unconscious on the ground.

Maybe. When Kitty's phased, she doesn't breathe; in fact, she can't breathe. That suggests that she doesn't interact with air particles when she's phased. Since the thunderclap attack is essentially a massive sonic attack, carried through the air as a medium, I honestly don't know if it would affect her or not. This aspect of her power has never really been explored, AFAIK.

But you're dead right about one thing; unless Dr. Strange or Thor happen along to bail Hulk out, he's in bad, bad trouble. Probably of the "death" type.

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 08:58 PM

Old school pre crisis Supes took all an enraged Hulk could dish out.

It happened in Spiderman and Superman vs. Doctor Doom and Parasite

http://www.supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/spiderman/supermanspidey2ndcomic.jpg

K.

Yes, but before Superman grabbed the little flying meanie that was angering the Hulk, the Outcome was in doubt.

Mark B.

SteelTownr

09-15-2004, 09:01 PM

Maybe. When Kitty's phased, she doesn't breathe; in fact, she can't breathe. That suggests that she doesn't interact with air particles when she's phased. Since the thunderclap attack is essentially a massive sonic attack, carried through the air as a medium, I honestly don't know if it would affect her or not. This aspect of her power has never really been explored, AFAIK.

But you're dead right about one thing; unless Dr. Strange or Thor happen along to bail Hulk out, he's in bad, bad trouble. Probably of the "death" type.

Doesn't that mean that Kitty would be deaf when she is phased?

I'd still put my money on the Hulk in this one, unless it is a What If?

Here is my reason.

The writer wouldn't kill the Hulk like this. Just like he didn't kill Thor. The Hulk is Gamma Radiation. Some how, some way, he would pull himself together and Break out of the ground. That's weak, but I'll bet it is what would happen.

Mark B.

Kirayoshi

09-15-2004, 11:23 PM

Doesn't that mean that Kitty would be deaf when she is phased?

I'd still put my money on the Hulk in this one, unless it is a What If?

Here is my reason.

The writer wouldn't kill the Hulk like this. Just like he didn't kill Thor. The Hulk is Gamma Radiation. Some how, some way, he would pull himself together and Break out of the ground. That's weak, but I'll bet it is what would happen.

Mark B.Another likely scenario would be that being phased into the ground would result in Hulk losing consciousness, at which point he would revert to Bruce Banner. Kitty could then pull Bruce out of the concrete, hand him off to a waiting SHIELD transport with proper restraints(she has Nick Fury on her speed-dial, dontcha know?) and they can haul him off.

Oh, it wasn't Excalibur where her throwdown with Thor took place, but an issue of Thor. Loki cast the spell to make Excalibur think that Thor was Juggernaut.

I don't know how much stock anyone puts into this, but JMS indicated that Spider-Man may have a strategy to take down the Hulk. #54(#495 old numbering system) he beat a gamma-powered Frankenstein-like monster called Digger by forcing it to expend its gamma radiation, and at the end of the issue he told MJ that he might possibly use that strategy against the Hulk. Me, I don't see Hulk's gamma radiation being expended in that manner, but who knows?

Brian888

09-16-2004, 05:35 AM

Brian888

09-16-2004, 05:46 AM

Dark Soul # 7

09-16-2004, 06:33 AM

Hmmm. According to that article, who is quoting a guy who says he got his email from PAD (no real links to quotes from PAD that can be confirmed) he says this:

To quote Ramus, he asked "if he ( Peter David ) thought Thanos was on a physical strength level higher than Hulk at any time he was writing (meaning various incarnations)."

David's reply was simple, answering: "Yeah, probably. Thanos is kind of in his own weight class."

That doesn't mean he can beat the Hulk. Just means he starts out more powerful. In fact that's what the question asked, if if Thanos started out stronger than the Hulk. He didn't ask "Can Thanos beat Hulk?" Lots of people can start out more powerful than the Hulk. Doesn't mean they can beat him. Thanos, however strong, cunning, etc. his powers are still finite. They have limits.

Hulk's power is not finite. It has no boundaries. No limits.

This is why Hulk will conquer anyone he faces. And the madder you make him, not only does he get stronger, but he gets that much harder to destroy as his healing factor scales up with his anger alongside his strength.

Ok that´s true but remember that Hulk has a pretty long way to go before he can match Thanos. There´s nothing that doesn´t say Thanos won´t knock him out before Hulks strength rises above his own.

Jomero

09-16-2004, 08:41 AM

Ok that´s true but remember that Hulk has a pretty long way to go before he can match Thanos. There´s nothing that doesn´t say Thanos won´t knock him out before Hulks strength rises above his own.

Hulk doesn't get knocked out easily. He's taken blows from some severely powerful beings. The only reason Samson was able to do it because he had the Mighty Power of Plot Device on his side. I've seen far more powerful beings knock him around without Hulk even flinching.

We're talking about Strength here. Hulk is the epitome of strength when it comes to the Marvel Universe. I know a lot of fanbois have their own favorite characters and would like to think their character is the best at everything, but when it comes to pure strength, Hulk has everyone beat. I would not try to argue that Hulk is more agile than Spider-man, or faster than Quicksilver, or more devious and powerhungry/cosmically knowledgable than Thanos, or better at the Mystic Arts than Dr. Strange. Hulk *IS* strength personified.

There is no way anyone could ever even come close to making me believe someone out there could beat Hulk in a "standing fight."

Jonathanos

09-16-2004, 09:47 AM

Another likely scenario would be that being phased into the ground would result in Hulk losing consciousness, at which point he would revert to Bruce Banner. Kitty could then pull Bruce out of the concrete, hand him off to a waiting SHIELD transport with proper restraints(she has Nick Fury on her speed-dial, dontcha know?) and they can haul him off.

Oh, it wasn't Excalibur where her throwdown with Thor took place, but an issue of Thor. Loki cast the spell to make Excalibur think that Thor was Juggernaut.

I don't know how much stock anyone puts into this, but JMS indicated that Spider-Man may have a strategy to take down the Hulk. #54(#495 old numbering system) he beat a gamma-powered Frankenstein-like monster called Digger by forcing it to expend its gamma radiation, and at the end of the issue he told MJ that he might possibly use that strategy against the Hulk. Me, I don't see Hulk's gamma radiation being expended in that manner, but who knows?

Highly unlikely that the Hulk would lose consciousness considering that Thor remained conscious. It wouldn't kill him either. He'd try smashing his way out and find his lower body merged with concrete. My guess is the writer would have him still able to move but with great difficulty. Lots of pain, lots of anger.

And Spidey's theory? It wouldn't work. The Hulk's power doesn't deplete; it increases. The Hulk has exerted himself for many days and even weeks without food and not fallen over from exhaustion. Spidey's F.O.S. if he thinks this plan would work.

Dark Soul # 7

09-16-2004, 02:30 PM

Hulk doesn't get knocked out easily. He's taken blows from some severely powerful beings. The only reason Samson was able to do it because he had the Mighty Power of Plot Device on his side. I've seen far more powerful beings knock him around without Hulk even flinching.

We're talking about Strength here. Hulk is the epitome of strength when it comes to the Marvel Universe. I know a lot of fanbois have their own favorite characters and would like to think their character is the best at everything, but when it comes to pure strength, Hulk has everyone beat. I would not try to argue that Hulk is more agile than Spider-man, or faster than Quicksilver, or more devious and powerhungry/cosmically knowledgable than Thanos, or better at the Mystic Arts than Dr. Strange. Hulk *IS* strength personified.

There is no way anyone could ever even come close to making me believe someone out there could beat Hulk in a "standing fight."

Clam down dude! I´m not saying that Hulk can´t get stronger than Thanos I´m saying that he can beat down Hulk before he get´s to strong for him. Cause you do know that Hulk starts out at around the 70 ton level? And another person who could give Hulk a run for his momey is Doomsday.

Brian888

09-16-2004, 03:02 PM

Highly unlikely that the Hulk would lose consciousness considering that Thor remained conscious. It wouldn't kill him either.

I'm not that familiar with Hulk physiology, but if Kitty phased him down into the ground far enough, his digestive tract, lungs and heart would all pretty much be useless. Like I said, I don't know if the Hulk needs those to survive, but he'd better hope he doesn't change back into Bruce anytime soon...

Blue Blaze

09-17-2004, 04:01 AM

Here are some fight results from the Leaders Lair. Note that draws are not included.

Hulk 5 Thor 2
Hulk 1 Namor 2
Hulk 4 Thing 1
Hulk 2 Hercules 0
Hulk 1 Wendigo 0
Hulk 4 Wolverine 1
Hulk 0 Silver Surfer 2
Hulk 6 Absorbing man 1
Hulk 2 Juggernaut 1
Hulk 2 Trauma 3
Hulk 1 Bi Beast 3
Hulk 2 Hyde 0
Hulk 2 Galaxy Master 1
Hulk 0 Black Bolt 1
Hulk 12 Sampson 3
Hulk 11 Abomination 4
Hulk 6 Rhino 1
Hulk 14 Leader 10
Hulk 2 Madman 1
Hulk 1 She Hulk 0
Hulk 0 Ravage 1
Hulk 2 Half life 0
Hulk 2 Rick Hulk 0
Hulk 1 Sasquatch 0

Consumate

09-17-2004, 06:27 AM

Whoa! Namor beat him twice!

thats just crazy. whose writing that nonsense?

SteelTownr

09-17-2004, 06:55 AM

Whoa! Namor beat him twice!

thats just crazy. whose writing that nonsense?

Namor owns in the water.

He hasn't beat the Hulk in a good while though. I'd bet that the Hulk would make short work of him these days.

Mark B.

SteelTownr

09-17-2004, 06:57 AM

I'd say that the Hulk and Black Bolt was a draw.

Black Bolt Whispered and knocked the Hulk out, but Black Bolt collapsed right afterwards as well.

Mark B.

Gamma Warrior

09-17-2004, 07:18 AM

Clam down dude! I´m not saying that Hulk can´t get stronger than Thanos I´m saying that he can beat down Hulk before he get´s to strong for him. Cause you do know that Hulk starts out at around the 70 ton level? And another person who could give Hulk a run for his momey is Doomsday.
no he starts out at 100 tons.your thinking of grey Hulk

Blue Blaze

09-17-2004, 07:37 AM

I'd say that the Hulk and Black Bolt was a draw.

Black Bolt Whispered and knocked the Hulk out, but Black Bolt collapsed right afterwards as well.

Mark B.

Actually the fight where they are saying Hulk lost, Black Bolt did something to the Hulk polarity and the continuously struck him with lightning. The time you mentioned was counted as a draw.

Whoa! Namor beat him twice!

thats just crazy. whose writing that nonsense?.

Why would you be surprised Namor is a class 85 character as strong as the Thing, can fly and control electricity. Namor is a bad man. :cool:

Dark Soul # 7

09-17-2004, 08:02 AM

no he starts out at 100 tons.your thinking of grey Hulk

Yes he does, I´m not thinking about grey hulk.
Or maybe I am I have and old info where it is stated that he strats at 70 tons and they showed pictures of green hulk.

SteelTownr

09-17-2004, 09:05 AM

Actually the fight where they are saying Hulk lost, Black Bolt did something to the Hulk polarity and the continuously struck him with lightning. The time you mentioned was counted as a draw.

Bah!

Hulk Smash Tuning Fork Head!

:)

Mark B.

Tuan

09-17-2004, 09:38 AM

The Marvel Directory and the Marvel Deluxe Handbook state that the green Hulk is able to press(lift) 70 tons when calm.

Whereas the Marvel Handbook '89 Update states that the green Hulk can press(lift) 85-90 tons in a calm state.

In the '89 Update Handbook, the gray Hulk is stated as being able to press(lift) 70 tons when in a calm state. However, the gray version can become as strong as he ever was in his green form. For what he lacks in strength, his smarts more than makes up for it in his gray form. A good example would be that fight he had with the Thing in issue 450.

Hulk only retains 100 plus ton level when he's enraged.

Consumate

09-17-2004, 10:34 AM

Hold the phone, Namor controls electricity, When did that start?

First off love Namor, so don't get the wrong idea.

Namor's class 85 strength is in water or when recently in water. Other wise he's depleted to the 40 ton range. (not saying thats bad but when fighting the Hulk...you get the idea)

I don't know what issues he fought and beat Hulk in but if they were in water, Ok Namor should barley win or barely loose. Out of water Hulk smash Fish Face!

On this subject on how powerful the Hulk is read Hulk #315 it's my absolute favorite issue if any one wants to get the idea how nasty the Hulk can be read it. (plus John Byrne is my fav so I especially like this whole run)

marshal99

09-17-2004, 08:46 PM

Namor's favorite trick when facing Hulk in the water ...

The whirlwind spin leaving Hulk breathless ..
http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/tta100-3.jpg

Hulk dominates on land
http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/tta100-2.jpg

Namor dominates in water
http://www.geocities.com/hulksmashes/av3-3.jpg

SteelTownr

09-17-2004, 11:12 PM

Ya know, even though the Hulk got whipped in the ocean, those are some cool comics.

I wish that they were still like that.

Mark B.

Blue Blaze

09-18-2004, 02:24 AM

[QUOTE=Consumate]Hold the phone, Namor controls electricity, When did that start?

First off love Namor, so don't get the wrong idea.

Namor's class 85 strength is in water or when recently in water. Other wise he's depleted to the 40 ton range. (not saying thats bad but when fighting the Hulk...you get the idea)

I don't know what issues he fought and beat Hulk in but if they were in water, Ok Namor should barley win or barely loose. Out of water Hulk smash Fish Face! QUOTE]

Namor as with most or possibly all Atlantians can control and emit electrical current.

If namor wears his black suit made by Reed Richards he can stay out of water indefinately thus he stays class 85 indefinately. Couple that with his speed, flifgt and electrical current, he is quite a handful for anyone.

In the water he peerless and no one 'smashes' the Sub Mariner on land or sea.

austin316gb

09-18-2004, 03:25 PM

SteelTownr

09-18-2004, 09:01 PM

In the water he peerless and no one 'smashes' the Sub Mariner on land or sea.

Yeah, the Hulk could clean his clock on the land. Without really even breathing too hard.

Mark B.

Mike Smash!

09-19-2004, 12:55 AM

For a while, I considered moving this thread to the Rumbles board, but to be quite frank, I think we're a higher class of forum.

So, I'm keeping this thread around to be the lone exception to the "No Fight Thread" rule.

Keep on this thread and I don't have a problem with it. Just keep it as civil as you have. There are plenty of things in life to get angry about in debate -- politics, religion, sex -- but to go into a frothing rage because of a hypothetical comic fight? No thanks.

I know you guys are better than this and I'm giving you all the benefit of the doubt on this.

AllisterH

09-19-2004, 06:21 AM

Er, I distinctly remember when PAD was writing Hulk that in the lettercols, PAD et al acknowledged that "classic" juggernaut could beat "classic" hulk due to the non-tiring part of juggies' power.

Brian888

09-21-2004, 07:30 AM

I'd actually like to see Hulk Vs. Doomsday, I think this would be a good fight.

I still think Superman Vs Hulk in a proper fight would be a good one.

What about Sentry thought he was supposed to be hard? Or Hyperion? Dont know much about either of these two expect that they are hard as nails.

Sentry is sort of a special case. He has fought Hulk before. Apparently, something in Sentry's aura automatically calms down/tames the Hulk. On a pure strength level, we don't know how strong Sentry really is. It's been hypothesized that his power is infinite, so take that for what it's worth.

Hyperion, IMHO, is about as tough as post-Crisis Supes. It'd be a very interesting fight.

Dark Soul # 7

09-21-2004, 10:23 AM

What about Sebastian Shaw?
He get´s stronger the harder you hit him so that would kinda work against Hulks increasing strength.

respect

09-21-2004, 12:40 PM

I could beat him.

SoulFire

09-21-2004, 01:37 PM

Didnt Hulk fight some red/yello blond haired comic guy once to a draw? Forgot his name at the moment, gonna have to look it up.

SteelTownr

09-21-2004, 03:09 PM

What about Sebastian Shaw?
He get´s stronger the harder you hit him so that would kinda work against Hulks increasing strength.

I would imagine that the Hulk's Strength would overpower Shaw's talent, just like he was able to overcome Unus' force field.

Mark B.

SteelTownr

09-21-2004, 03:10 PM

I could beat him.

No you couldn't.

Mark B.

Tron

09-22-2004, 04:03 AM

Yeah, Sebastian Shaw's power can only handle so much, or take attacks so powerful. I doubt Shaw would be able to reap the benefits of getting hit by Hulk, cause it would probably leave him unconcious, if not dead.

Siegzon

09-22-2004, 07:57 PM

Ya know, even though the Hulk got whipped in the ocean, those are some cool comics.

I wish that they were still like that.

Mark B.

Namor is the coolest. I wish someone would write him as Imperious Rex again. I miss him in the old Defenders

normedia

09-22-2004, 09:11 PM

normedia

09-22-2004, 09:16 PM

Speaking of which in recent Avengers issues, Captain America knocked down Thunderball with a punch and made him bleed even. That's not supposed to happen as hes taken punches from Spiderman and Thor with lesser damage. Sometimes things don't make sense. Cap shouldve broken his hand with the force he punched him with and Thunderball shouldn't have flinched. Not that this has anything to with Hulk but just some things to know.

Trystenn

09-22-2004, 10:01 PM

Raw strength dosn't mean everything. I mean She Hulk has bested Titania on many occasions and Titania is stronger and more durable than She Hulk. Then again, so has Spiderman which is ridiculous considering the power difference.
Actually he is strong enough to hurt her, it was his fantastic agility that gave him the edge, isnt Spidey great?

Dark Soul # 7

09-23-2004, 05:18 AM

Actually he is strong enough to hurt her, it was his fantastic agility that gave him the edge, isnt Spidey great?

He´s just as amazing as the Hulk is incredible. :D

Trystenn

09-23-2004, 07:03 PM

He´s as amazing as the Hulk is increadible. :D
lol just as amazing/incredible

Mike Smash!

09-23-2004, 10:11 PM

Raw strength dosn't mean everything. I mean She Hulk has bested Titania on many occasions and Titania is stronger and more durable than She Hulk. Then again, so has Spiderman which is ridiculous considering the power difference.

But to play Devil's Advocate, the same could be said of the Thing taking on the Hulk with the opposite results.

In fact, the only time that the Hulk was taken down by Grimm was when that raw power inequality was reversed.

The Hulk is also unpredictable in a way that most characters aren't. When he's properly enraged, he can do about anything and isn't the most rational person around. He doesn't fight. He lashes out.

SteelTownr

09-23-2004, 11:38 PM

But to play Devil's Advocate, the same could be said of the Thing taking on the Hulk with the opposite results.

In fact, the only time that the Hulk was taken down by Grimm was when that raw power inequality was reversed.

The Hulk is also unpredictable in a way that most characters aren't. When he's properly enraged, he can do about anything and isn't the most rational person around. He doesn't fight. He lashes out.

There was a time when the Hulk's mind was switched with the Things and they fought. The Hulk's mind in the Thing's body still won. I don't know, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I don't have the issue, but I am sure that Johnathanos could tell us about it, he is THE HULK GOD.

Mark B.

Jonathanos

09-24-2004, 04:07 PM

Actually, if memory serves, the Thing in Hulk's body started getting the advantage at the end of the fight but Reed interferes and kayoes Thing in Hulk's body.

Tuan

09-24-2004, 04:11 PM

Was that a graphic novel? The Big Change? Where the Stranger was in it?

bikerboyzz

09-24-2004, 07:35 PM

the hulk vs superman, I think that superman would probability lose if not win that fight. :rolleyes:

Jonathanos

09-24-2004, 09:35 PM

Was that a graphic novel? The Big Change? Where the Stranger was in it?

Giant-Size Superstars #1, I think.

The Big Change doesn't have the Stranger; it has the Watcher.

Dark Soul # 7

09-25-2004, 01:53 AM

lol just as amazing/incredible

yeah yeah.
i´ll change it.

SoulFire

09-26-2004, 02:59 PM

Didnt Hulk fight some red/yello blond haired comic guy once to a draw? Forgot his name at the moment, gonna have to look it up.

*Sigh* , my own incompetence shocks me -_-

I wuz talking about, of course, Prime. Prime could prolly beat Hulk if it came *down* to it.

marshal99

09-26-2004, 06:53 PM

*Sigh* , my own incompetence shocks me -_-

I wuz talking about, of course, Prime. Prime could prolly beat Hulk if it came *down* to it.

No he couldn't , Prime's body would break down after a few punches from the hulk.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 11:24 AM

The Hulk has already proven that Unus the Untouchable is a misnomer in Marvel Fanfare #7.

http://image2.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/51633025122.7.GIF

As far as Hulk vs. Thor goes, that belongs on the Rumbles Board, but Goldilocks knows who the Strongest One is.

Mark B.

Thor without hammer is pwn3d as badly as anybody else ever has been. That's definitive, no "pulling of punches" or other crap to give the battle an asterisk.

As for with a hammer, who knows? Like fights between Superman and Captain Marvel they are few and far between, and almost always there is an asterisk like one was mind controlled or deluded somehow, or forced to by some threat, etc. etc. etc.

Even Thor breaking the Hulk's neck in the What If was a sneak attack.

Iron Man just knocked the Hulk out in his newest, bestest suit. Turns out the Hulk was just faking it (Banner Hulk). No "real fight" here, move along folks.

And why would you have one? So angry Hulk beats the crap out of Thor, even with his hammer, then "lays a hand" on Odin, giving him a broken nose just before Odin vaporizes him.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 11:29 AM

[QUOTE=Brian888]but Hulk can also get tiredQUOTE]

Very old school Hulk got tired, but for the past 30 years, the Hulk gets stronger and stronger, the opposite of getting tired. He did bust through the Leader's plastic-stuff, and the Leader was stunned that as time went on, the Hulk's struggling got more and more violent, rather than weakening.

Tuan

09-27-2004, 11:46 AM

So compared to the Hulk, has Thor ever dented adamantium before?

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 12:35 PM

Kitty should still be vulnerable to the thunderclap. Hulk's hurting and in a very bad position... but Kitty's eardrums are burst and she's unconscious on the ground.

Depending on how good his healing power is at that moment, his body may be able to clear out the dirt that suddenly appears insides his blood and cells. Concrete may be another matter. Pre-Crisis Superman's heart could probably pump away concrete, although his healing factor might not be enough to clear it from inside cells. Then again, "Super"-cells' chemistry might be super-energetic, too, brushing aside mere concrete.

Hulk's concrete-laden cells might die, but his healing factor would heal it all back up fast, carrying away the dead and damaged cells.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 12:39 PM

Yes, but before Superman grabbed the little flying meanie that was angering the Hulk, the Outcome was in doubt.

Mark B.

The little box in the panel said "The outcome was in doubt". Still, Superman was barely vibrating with each punch by the Hulk, so the Hulk had a long, long way to go before he even bruised Superman, much less beat him up.

Plus, the story is logically inconsistent. Earlier, the Hulk punched Superman (when Supes had not yet "steeled himself") with "the power of a thermonuclear blast".

Well.

If those were the Hulk's weak punches, the shock waves from the later ones would lay waste to large areas of the city. This did not happen. Ergo the description of the boxes is suspect. Therefore "the outcome is in doubt" is also suspect, and for a second reason.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 12:49 PM

Whoa! Namor beat him twice!

thats just crazy. whose writing that nonsense?

One of those two fights were Namor and Hulk swam at each other at high speed and collided. Namor recovered, Hulk turned into Banner and washed up on shore or something. Sayeth the Leader (of that website): (brute) fact is, Namor could take it, Hulk couldn't

Hulk does get stronger, even stronger than Namor-under-water. But Namor uses his speed in the water to overcome the Hulk. I find it hard to believe Hulk can't get so strong he can plow through the water faster than Namor can (swinging fist-wise, not necessarily swim-wise).

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 12:55 PM

However, the gray version can become as strong as he ever was in his green form. For what he lacks in strength, his smarts more than makes up for it in his gray form. A good example would be that fight he had with the Thing in issue 450.

Yes, but you'll notice something about that battle.

1. This was the grey Hulk, i.e. based on the original one, who mostly turned into Hulk at night. They emphasized this in that the second fight was at night, and during a full moon, thus maximizing the grey Hulk's power.

2. The fight went on for many hours, allowing the grey Hulk to get stronger (and not tired) while the Thing got quite tired.

3. Even at the very end of the battle, the Thing was still a lot stronger than the grey Hulk. He slams the grey Hulk at the bottom of the pond, and the grey Hulk runs away, still wary of him.

4. Thing almost drowns, walking out of the pond, and collapses on the shore. Then the grey Hulk punches him in the head once or twice, and "wins".

Peter David, the popular Hulk writer at the time, probably demanded they allow him to figure out a way for the grey Hulk to beat the twice-mutated Thing, and this was it, as silly as it was.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 12:58 PM

Raw strength dosn't mean everything. I mean She Hulk has bested Titania on many occasions and Titania is stronger and more durable than She Hulk. Then again, so has Spiderman which is ridiculous considering the power difference.

Well, the late '80's handbook classified both of them, along with the Thing, as 85 ton lifters.

Hulk Strongest One

09-27-2004, 01:01 PM

There was a time when the Hulk's mind was switched with the Things and they fought. The Hulk's mind in the Thing's body still won. I don't know, is that a good thing or a bad thing?

I don't have the issue, but I am sure that Johnathanos could tell us about it, he is THE HULK GOD.

Mark B.

It's one of the things on the Thing's humiliation list. Another one is losing to the grey Hulk.

The Thing is the Rodney Dangerfield of Marvel. He don't get no respect! Even in his twice-mutated state, his only two feats of note were whipping the grey Hulk the first time (not much of a feat as normal Thing could probably do that) and the other was heaving a giant space ship of Kang that probably weighed many hundreds of tons, based on its size.

Jonathanos

09-27-2004, 01:16 PM

Yes, but you'll notice something about that battle.

1. This was the grey Hulk, i.e. based on the original one, who mostly turned into Hulk at night. They emphasized this in that the second fight was at night, and during a full moon, thus maximizing the grey Hulk's power.

No, he's stronger on a new moon. Full moon is when Banner has greater influence.

3. Even at the very end of the battle, the Thing was still a lot stronger than the grey Hulk. He slams the grey Hulk at the bottom of the pond, and the grey Hulk runs away, still wary of him.

That is untrue. The Thing, in desperation, boxed the Hulk's ears and the Hulk thinks to himself (paraphrased), "So, still a little fight left? I'll let him get to shore. I want him to realize what's happened to him."

Nothing there suggests the Hulk was wary. He certainly didn't run from the Thing. It does not indicate the Thing's strength in relation to the Hulk's. In fact, in the first part of the story which took place during the day when the Hulk was at his weakest, the Thing was questioning if he could beat greyskin because greyskin was "almost as strong as the Hulk."

4. Thing almost drowns, walking out of the pond, and collapses on the shore. Then the grey Hulk punches him in the head once or twice, and "wins".

One hit. Considering how close the daytime fight was, the Hulk probably would have won a straight-up fight at night. He'd have been stronger than he was in FF #320 and would not have been in constant pain as daytime was causing him at that point.

Jonathanos

09-27-2004, 01:18 PM

Even Thor breaking the Hulk's neck in the What If was a sneak attack.

That wasn't a sneak attack. He and the Hulk were struggling and the Hulk was careless with anger. So Thor took advantage and snapped the Hulk's neck.

Jonathanos

09-27-2004, 01:24 PM

It's one of the things on the Thing's humiliation list. Another one is losing to the grey Hulk.

The Thing is the Rodney Dangerfield of Marvel. He don't get no respect! Even in his twice-mutated state, his only two feats of note were whipping the grey Hulk the first time (not much of a feat as normal Thing could probably do that) and the other was heaving a giant space ship of Kang that probably weighed many hundreds of tons, based on its size.

Whipped the Hulk? The Thing was despairing at one point about his chances ("I gotta get free or else it's over! But how? He's almost as strong as the Hulk!") and then admitted after it was over that he was exhausted by the fight ("Holy cow! The real Hulk's alive an' fresh as a daisy! Can I win a fight with him now that I'm beat?"). That was against the Hulk at his weakest and experiencing constant pain from the daytime.

Dark Soul # 7

09-28-2004, 12:51 PM

The little box in the panel said "The outcome was in doubt". Still, Superman was barely vibrating with each punch by the Hulk, so the Hulk had a long, long way to go before he even bruised Superman, much less beat him up.

Plus, the story is logically inconsistent. Earlier, the Hulk punched Superman (when Supes had not yet "steeled himself") with "the power of a thermonuclear blast".

Well.

If those were the Hulk's weak punches, the shock waves from the later ones would lay waste to large areas of the city. This did not happen. Ergo the description of the boxes is suspect. Therefore "the outcome is in doubt" is also suspect, and for a second reason.

Dude I have that book and nowhere does it say that Hulks punches have the power of a thermonuclear blast! It say they can shatter mountains.

And just like everybody I know that have read this story yo fail to notice that Superman starts blocking the punches meaing that he would have been affected. Also he was vibrating, you can see the lines very clearly.

Jonathanos

09-28-2004, 04:14 PM

Dude I have that book and nowhere does it say that Hulks punches have the power of a thermonuclear blast! It say they can shatter mountains.

Look again. Specifically to the punch that sent Superman crashing limply miles away. The Hulk's punch is said to be equal to the power of a hydrogen bomb.

Dark Soul # 7

09-29-2004, 03:10 AM

Look again. Specifically to the punch that sent Superman crashing limply miles away. The Hulk's punch is said to be equal to the power of a hydrogen bomb.

I trippledchecked to be sure. It doesn´t say anything about a hydrogenbomb or a thermonuclearblast anywhere.

Jonathanos

09-29-2004, 11:05 AM

I trippledchecked to be sure. It doesn´t say anything about a hydrogenbomb or a thermonuclearblast anywhere.

You're mistaken. Here's the quote:

"Exploding upward at supersonic speed, the man of steel hurtles into the sky, driving by the power of an h-bomb packed into one thundering punch.

Miles away, across the Metropolis River, his limp body plummets to Earth, slamming brutally into the hard concrete of a bustling pier."

He doesn't return until after the Hulk has rocked all of Metropolis with a punch and the vibrations have stopped... over a page later.

Dark Soul # 7

09-30-2004, 01:43 AM

You're mistaken. Here's the quote:

"Exploding upward at supersonic speed, the man of steel hurtles into the sky, driving by the power of an h-bomb packed into one thundering punch.

Miles away, across the Metropolis River, his limp body plummets to Earth, slamming brutally into the hard concrete of a bustling pier."

He doesn't return until after the Hulk has rocked all of Metropolis with a punch and the vibrations have stopped... over a page later.

Weird except for that H-bomb thing it says the exact same stuff in my comic.

Jomero

09-30-2004, 09:04 AM

Weird except for that H-bomb thing it says the exact same stuff in my comic.

You guys might be talking about 2 different issues. hulk and superman fought on multiple occasions.

Jonathanos

09-30-2004, 10:51 AM

Weird except for that H-bomb thing it says the exact same stuff in my comic.

It's the page where Superman is trying to dig the Hulk out of the rubble. The Hulk hits Superman, saying "Stupid Cape-Man!" Next panel, Superman is flying upward and it says the bit about the h-bomb.

Dark Soul # 7

09-30-2004, 12:08 PM

You guys might be talking about 2 different issues. hulk and superman fought on multiple occasions.

Possibly.
My comic is a Spider-man and Superman crossover where they fight Dr.Doom and the Parasite.

Dark Soul # 7

09-30-2004, 12:09 PM

It's the page where Superman is trying to dig the Hulk out of the rubble. The Hulk hits Superman, saying "Stupid Cape-Man!" Next panel, Superman is flying upward and it says the bit about the h-bomb.

Yepp that´s the one.

Jonathanos

09-30-2004, 12:30 PM

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/5908/HBombpunch.gif

Dark Soul # 7

09-30-2004, 12:42 PM

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/5908/HBombpunch.gif

As I said before, Yepp that´s the one.

AlanScott606

10-03-2004, 02:32 PM

Since Everyone is on the Juggy bandwagon I just thought I should bring up when Juggy faced a pissed off Spiderman...I seem to recall Juggy fell that day.

Jomero

10-04-2004, 08:03 AM

Yepp that´s the one.

I do know that the Superman/Hulk issue I have has the Hulk crawling out of some rubble as well. And Hulk also punches Supes into space. But it's not the spider-man crossover.

This one:
http://www.splashcomics.de/images/specials/hulk/comic_06.jpg

You sure one of you guys isn't talking about that issue?

Jonathanos

10-04-2004, 03:08 PM

Since Everyone is on the Juggy bandwagon I just thought I should bring up when Juggy faced a pissed off Spiderman...I seem to recall Juggy fell that day.

Into a wet foundation.

Spider-Man did nothing to the Juggernaut.

AlanScott606

10-04-2004, 04:22 PM

Spidey beat Juggy......Just like he beat the living crap out of Firelord also.

Jonathanos

10-04-2004, 04:30 PM

Spidey beat Juggy......Just like he beat the living crap out of Firelord also.

Just like... except for being totally different. Spider-Man's offense did nothing to the Juggernaut.

SteelTownr

10-04-2004, 10:04 PM

Just like... except for being totally different. Spider-Man's offense did nothing to the Juggernaut.

Plus, Spider-man should have been incinerated on contact with Fire-Lord.

I am glad to see you here, Alan, but there is a whole other Rumbles Board for this kinda stuff.

The discussion here is who can beat the Hulk in a standup fight.

Mark B.

Mike Smash!

10-04-2004, 10:48 PM

Mark speaks the truth. Keep the fights "Hulk-o-centric".

AlanScott606

10-04-2004, 11:09 PM

SteelTownr

10-05-2004, 06:54 AM

Sorry about that guys, I should have explained a little better that what I meant was that in my opinion the Hulk would defeat Juggernaught.

Again sorry for not being more clear and thanks for the welcome.

Sometimes that happens, Scotty!

Are you a big Hulk fan?

You don't have to be, of course, but it helps. :)

Mark B.

Jomero

10-05-2004, 07:54 AM

Ok I have developed a key for anyone who ever has any question about Hulk beating someone in a fight. If you ever have the following question:

"Can Hulk beat ___________?"

Then randomly pick one of the following answers:

A. YES!
B: Of course!
C: Hulk could do it with both of his eyes shut.
D: Hulk would sneeze on him and he'd be dead.

So there you go. The definitive and official key to use when asking about Hulk in a fight. :D

-Jomero

SteelTownr

10-05-2004, 08:49 AM

AlanScott606

10-05-2004, 09:23 AM

Sometimes that happens, Scotty!

Are you a big Hulk fan?

You don't have to be, of course, but it helps. :)

Mark B.

Yes I am, only Spider-Man comes in before the Hulk in Marvel.

I can't wait for Peter David to start doing Hulk again (runs off to do the happy dance).

SteelTownr

10-05-2004, 10:03 AM

Yes I am, only Spider-Man comes in before the Hulk in Marvel.

I can't wait for Peter David to start doing Hulk again (runs off to do the happy dance).

Me neither!

It is like a dream come true.

Mark B.

onenatv

10-05-2004, 12:54 PM

what about jessica jones? Can she beat the hulk? She got superhuman power right? plus she can fly. :)

SteelTownr

10-05-2004, 01:12 PM

what about jessica jones? Can she beat the hulk? She got superhuman power right? plus she can fly. :)

Who is Jessica Jones?

Mark B.

onenatv

10-05-2004, 04:09 PM

You don't know who JESSICA JONES is? She is luke cage gf. You can read about her in Alias and the Pulse. She got superhuman Strength and she can fly. Those books are pretty good book btw. Check it out.

Tuan

10-05-2004, 04:14 PM

Delete post.

Ya beat me to it.

SteelTownr

10-05-2004, 06:11 PM

Thanks!

Maybe I will check it out.

The Hulk could whip her though.

Mark B.

onenatv

10-05-2004, 07:07 PM

Yeah, that was a lame joke I tried to pull it off. I guess it's not working very well. But those book are good, you'll like it :)

Metal-Demon

10-06-2004, 11:04 AM

GUTB

10-06-2004, 04:51 PM

The Hulk is wicked-cool when he totally freaks out:

"Ha ha! Even you can't escape from being crushed between the Earth's techtonic plates!"
"EARTH IS PUNY!!!!!" *SMASH*

But in all honesty, Superman or any one of his clones (Hyperion, Majestic, Gladiator, etc) could beat the Hulk easily by simply chucking him into orbit. But in a cage match, I can't see Hulk losing to anyone who isn't completely invulnerable.

SteelTownr

10-07-2004, 01:02 AM

I have a question ... the issue at hand is who (if anyone) could beat the Hulk in a stand-up fight, right?

But I'm having trouble determining what the restrictions are ... I've read the entire thread, but I'm wondering if someone here could decide exactly what is meant by a 'stand-up fight' in this particular case?

No augmentation of ANY kind?
No weapons?
No stealth (cheap shots, etc.)
No strategy?
Nothing the Hulk doesn't have access to?
What?

I'm just curious ...

I think it all boils down to an affirmation that the Hulk is a pretty bad man, when you get down to it.

I take it as who could whip the Hulk, standing there toe to toe, just slugging it out.

The point is, it is a very short list.

The thing about Funny Books is though, that anyone can beat anyone. It is even worse than the "Any Given Sunday" rule in Football.

Why?

Because our favorite characters are at the mercy of the Writers.

Witness the Hulk having the wind knocked out of him by a kick to the solar plexus by Batman.

C'mon, the guy laughs at fifty caliber bullets. How on Earth could a kick from Batman even tickle the guy, really?

Or how about that F-in Snake?

Let's face it, our Main Green Man can beat anyone and anybody except the writers.

Mark B.

cmdrbond007

10-07-2004, 07:03 AM

Let's face it, our Main Green Man can beat anyone and anybody except the writers.
Well said... I still think Hulk needs to show a vulnerable side to him... if he could defeat everybody in a one-on-one matchup, the suspense would be lost... Most of time, the writers create certain weaknesses that his opponents exploit... my money's still on Mr. Incredible... Hulk, that is... :D

SteelTownr

10-07-2004, 07:21 AM

Well said... I still think Hulk needs to show a vulnerable side to him... if he could defeat everybody in a one-on-one matchup, the suspense would be lost... Most of time, the writers create certain weaknesses that his opponents exploit... my money's still on Mr. Incredible... Hulk, that is... :D

Yeah, I can go with the Hulk having weaknesses. As a matter of fact, the fact that he does get taken down from time to time is one of the reason I prefer him over guys like Thor or Superman.

Mark B.

Jomero

10-07-2004, 08:02 AM

Batman knocking the wind out of Hulk still pisses me off. That never happened. I don't care how many people sexually gratify themselves to images of batman, there's no way in hell they could convince me he could really do that to the hulk.

I've heard one uberfan of batman say something like "Batman has an intimate knowledge of pressure points." Well la dee frickin' da. In order for a pressure point to work on the Hulk, you have to actually apply **PRESSURE**!! You think a kick from a non-superstrength human is actually going to do something to Hulk? It'd be like if a feather landed on one of your own pressure points. You gonna tell me you're going to get the wind knocked out of you if a feather landed on your chest while you were on your back? Please.

As for the snake, it was never determined if that really happened. It was a flashback second-hand story by a clown who I'm sure wouldn't care to stretch the truth.

GUTB

10-07-2004, 08:45 AM

Batman can take down the hulk easy:

* Batman throws a batarang at the Hulk, which kind of bounces uncerimonously off Hulk's left pec and lands with a light thud on the ground.

Hulk: "Hulk...not...angry...must...not...laugh..*GIGGLE*. ..must...smash...must *SNICKER*...not...*HEHE!*...not...*BWAHAHAHAHA!*

* Batman punches out Banner as he is doubled-over laughing on the ground.

bloodyarts

10-07-2004, 09:11 AM

Regarding the Kitty Pryde phasing Hulk into earth victory...

Shouldn't that be a disqualification, since she's using something other than strength to perform the feat?

I doubt an unphased Kitty Pryde would have the strength to make Hulk take one step forward or back, no matter how hard she pushed or tugged at him. She simply couldn't budge him.

He weighs a ton. She weighs like 100 lbs. </exaggeration>

Jomero

10-07-2004, 09:33 AM

I don't think even Hulk being phased in the earth would make a difference. If he's just inside the rock, he'd bust out.

If the rock is meshed with his body, he'd keep regenerating and then bust out. Remember, Hulk lived with a piece of shrapnell *in his brain* for quite a long time without even knowing it was there.

And GUTB, heh. I suppose that's one way to do it. Though punching Bruce would only make him angry. And then the cycle starts again. :D

Metal-Demon

10-10-2004, 05:14 PM

Alright ... since Steeltownr kinda answered my question back there, I'd have to say that the only person who could beat the Hulk in a toe-to-toe, knock-down, drag-out, "Strength-only" fight would be The Mighty Thor ... provided that:

a) Thor could NOT use Mjolnir, or his magical capabilities (since Hulk has access to neither weapon/ability)
b) Hulk does NOT regenerate or ramp-up his Strength with anger (since Thor has access to neither ability)

To me, that sounds more than fair.

I'm willing to bet that most of the times it would be a complete draw with both combatants leaning on each other just to remain standing ... and virtual devastation for miles around them - but from time to time each one of them would get a narrow victory in over the other, once they begin to learn about how each other fights.

Hulk Strongest One

10-11-2004, 06:27 PM

You don't know who JESSICA JONES is? She is luke cage gf.

Who is Luke Cage? :rolleyes:

Hulk Strongest One

10-11-2004, 06:31 PM

Batman knocking the wind out of Hulk still pisses me off. That never happened. I don't care how many people sexually gratify themselves to images of batman, there's no way in hell they could convince me he could really do that to the hulk.

I've heard one uberfan of batman say something like "Batman has an intimate knowledge of pressure points." Well la dee frickin' da. In order for a pressure point to work on the Hulk, you have to actually apply **PRESSURE**!! You think a kick from a non-superstrength human is actually going to do something to Hulk? It'd be like if a feather landed on one of your own pressure points. You gonna tell me you're going to get the wind knocked out of you if a feather landed on your chest while you were on your back? Please.

I heartily agree. Let's put it this way. Batman could jump up and down on an indestructable needle that is on Hulk's eye, and nothing would happen.

How is kicking Hulk in the breadbasket going to do anything?

Yeah, Hulk wailing on a PC Superman who's "steeled himself", barely making Supe's head vibrate, I can take. Batman kicking him in the stomach to force him to take a breath...no.

Just...no.

That's right up there with the boa constrictor incident.

Hulk Strongest One

10-11-2004, 06:34 PM

Alright ... since Steeltownr kinda answered my question back there, I'd have to say that the only person who could beat the Hulk in a toe-to-toe, knock-down, drag-out, "Strength-only" fight would be The Mighty Thor ... provided that:

a) Thor could NOT use Mjolnir, or his magical capabilities (since Hulk has access to neither weapon/ability)
b) Hulk does NOT regenerate or ramp-up his Strength with anger (since Thor has access to neither ability)

To me, that sounds more than fair.

Well if you're talking pure strength only, then most Marvel bricks could take him since he starts somewhat low. ("Banner Hulk" starting at Class 100 is just a bit of fluff so Banner doesn't have to get really angry to take out most other bricks.)

Although there is some evidence that with pure rage but no growing strength he can do OK vs. other bricks (some of the more bizarre fights vs. Thing). But it isn't anywhere near a guaranteed win.

discostu

10-15-2004, 01:38 AM

here is your definitive answer. NO. The Hulk gets stronger when he gets madder, if he's losing a fight, he'll only get stronger as it goes along. Someone like Thor or Superman would have to try and fly him into the sun or figure out a way to contain him. The best possible power to use on him would be telepathy.

cable guy

10-16-2004, 08:48 AM

Well if you're talking pure strength only, then most Marvel bricks could take him since he starts somewhat low. ("Banner Hulk" starting at Class 100 is just a bit of fluff so Banner doesn't have to get really angry to take out most other bricks.)

Although there is some evidence that with pure rage but no growing strength he can do OK vs. other bricks (some of the more bizarre fights vs. Thing). But it isn't anywhere near a guaranteed win.
but isn't hulk already the strongest one out there even before the added
strength boost?

George74

11-24-2004, 02:22 PM

Hi there, I'm new to the forum, great stuff by the way.
I'm a big Hulk fan. He's pure strength and power. Hulk smash, lol.

I've seen a lot of debates on Hulk vs Juggernaut, and to me it's not really a debate.
Juggernaut is claimed to be unstoppable but he got wasted by Onslaught.
Hulk broke the shell of Onslaught with great force. Jean Grey got Hulk very angry, very fast.
I think that in the end, Juggernaut is no match for the Hulk.

Carny

11-24-2004, 03:17 PM

How about Crusher Creel after touching Adamantium or Caps shield or better yet Mjölnir.

Thats pure mean strength.

Or worse how about the universe X version of Absorbing man/Ultron.

Dark Lord of the Bith

11-25-2004, 04:22 AM

Doomsday could take him out in an actual fight before he got too pissed off; he's got the strength and speed of Superman plus a good deal more agility. And, seeing as how Superman killed him once using brute force, The Hulk could not.

If he just had to stand there, the Hulk would eventually get mad enough to knock him back to Metropolis {After both giving and taking many, many blows}.

In an actual fight, I think Doomsday could beat Hulk before Hulk gets mad enough to beat him. Meaning, I think that Doomsday could use his agility to surprise attack Hulk and knock him out within the first minute or so.

SuperRepublican

11-25-2004, 10:22 AM

People forget how easily one can get murderously angry. How about the time you smacked your head on the table corner? If Banner should happen to prick his finger by accident, he'd be angry (read: strong) enough shove the moon up Galactus' ass. For a few seconds, anyway.

UncleBob

12-02-2004, 09:40 AM

I read somewhere, I don't remember where, but anyway, that one of the top Marvel guys said that if everyone in the MU fought, Captain America would come out on top, just because he's a survivor, and his main strength is that he never gives up.

That was a long line.

And the only Marvel character that could beat him would be either Professor Xavier (Mind attacks from the most powerful telepath in the world), or Death.

Pure physical power, nothing could stop him, at all, that I know of. There's a couple things that could stand up to his beating (Juggernaut, Blob), but nothing I know of that could actually knock him out.

bd2999

12-04-2004, 02:15 PM

A number of characters could bat the Hulk, but they have to do it before he gets mad. Knocking him out in a fight to start with has been done many times but that is your best shot to take him.

Juggernaut before he was so watered down could have stood toe to toe with the Hulk. Yes he was unstoppable and could feel no pain. Its just as time went on the writters decided that was no fun and made some things hurt him that never did before.

Thor could fight with him for a long time. With mjoner I think he could take him, but without it would still be a sweet fight. Thor is decently above the 100 ton mark so he is stronger than Hulk to start with, so Thor is one of the guys that could kick the crap out of him before he started to get mad, but even if Hulk got mad it would be good. Thor is a better fighter, and the fact that when he goes into warrior madness he gets stronger and crazier means that the fight would last a long while. The two would be toe to toe handing ou the heavy lumber. Hulk's healing factor would be what he would have to depend on if he wants to win. Thor is at a disadvantaged in that fact. Thor has a huge chance to win to start with because he is stronger and a better fighter, though you cant go wrong with Hulk smash either. When Hulk got to Thor's level and then beyond Thor has still battled guys who are alot stronger than him before. Not all in hand to hand, but he would be able to hold his own and then the madness would probably kick in. Thor would be a bloody mess, but Hulk would be pretty freaking bad too, even with his increased rage. I think this could go either way. If they are at equal levels at a point than I still give the edget to Thor. Though either guy could win this fight. So Thor is one of the guys that could stand toe to toe and duke it out, and has a chance of success

Thanos could, or so I hear now. I hate the idea but that is what I have heard. I think someone said that he could in an interview, but I am highly suspicious of this. With straight strength I am doubtful.

Ionic Wonder Man may have a decent shot, because he is so durable and is pretty strong. Hulk would probably win, but WM would put up a good fight.

Apocolypse can amplify his strength, in a different mannor than the Hulks. So he could stand toe to toe with him but he would have to make sure to keep increasing it or he would be toast.

Any really strong guy can take the Hulk if Hulk is in his calmer state and they try to knock him out or finish him early. If they dodle or find they can't than there are very few who could take him. Beings like SS could use the PC to get enough strength to do it, but I think that may be cheating.

comic_lover

12-05-2004, 02:29 AM

Think characters without additional powers (Strength and Invunerability only) Guys like Thing, Juggernaut, Hercules, Blob, Abomination, Rhino etc! It depends on the Hulk you are referring to.I'll suppose you're referring to the mean green machine.Thor.That's about the only one who could,aside from the time Bruce was having transformation trouble, and Tony took him out with one juiced up punch ( of course it paralyzed him in the armor,but still,he won. ) Now Juggernaut could go toe to toe,as could Gladiator,The Thing,The Absorbing Man,and some others....but beat him ? How do you beat a living bomb that is fueled by anger so intensive it could rip the bowels out of hell ? Simple answer : you can't.

Matt_K

12-05-2004, 04:00 AM

Nightcrawler

12-05-2004, 06:03 AM

LOL. You'll see the Hulk shoot cosmic beams before before you'll see Galactus fist fighting.

Siddon

12-05-2004, 06:16 AM

Hypothetically

Vision

Dark Soul # 7

12-05-2004, 08:10 AM

Gladiator and Thing could go toe to toe with Hulk? Not for long I don't think. I think they're well out of Hulk's strength range- people like Juggernaut and Abomination have a better chance.
What about someone like Galactus? (Actually, have we ever seen Galactus fist fight? Was he any good?

Gladiator is way above Abomination is terms of pretty much everything.
Galactus does not need to use his fists.

Matt_K

12-05-2004, 04:52 PM

We're not talking about the same Gladiator are we? I was thinking of the one from Daredevil. Foggy Nelson fought him to a standstill so I don't see Hulk getting any sleepless nights...

Steve

12-05-2004, 08:25 PM

We're not talking about the same Gladiator are we? I was thinking of the one from Daredevil. Foggy Nelson fought him to a standstill so I don't see Hulk getting any sleepless nights...

I'm pretty sure he's referring to the one from the Imperial Guard, the mohawk one.

Matt_K

12-05-2004, 10:25 PM

Yes that would make a lot more sense. I was thinking of Gladiator from DD, the one with the infamous origin where he puts on a costume and that's it, he's a super-villain.

Steve

12-05-2004, 10:45 PM

Yes that would make a lot more sense. I was thinking of Gladiator from DD, the one with the infamous origin where he puts on a costume and that's it, he's a super-villain.
Ah, this one. I'm pretty sure he can beat the Hulk as well. When the Hulk sees how hokey he looks, he'll fall flat on his ass and die.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/21267019774.18.GIF

marshal99

12-09-2004, 05:14 AM

(Actually, have we ever seen Galactus fist fight? Was he any good?

Yes he has , he fist fight with the in-betweener. :cool:

pirulaso

12-09-2004, 05:48 AM

the closest fight would haev to be juggernaught....or maybe gladiator if he isnt disqualified. from the x-men issue

Halofreak20

12-09-2004, 04:55 PM

It depends which Hulk your talking about.

If you mean Hulk with Bruce Banners Brain then the following people could beat Hulk..

-The Thing

-Thor

-Hercules

-Juggernaut

-Luke Cage

-Collosus

-Wonder Man

-Namor

-Cap

When he's the same dumb Hulk we all know and love the following people can beat him.... sometimes... maybe...sort of

-The Thing

-Thor

-Juggernaut

-Namor

Nightcrawler

12-09-2004, 05:10 PM

Cap couldn't beat the Hulk, with or without bains. Cap has the strength level of a normal guy who works out alot.

Halofreak20

12-09-2004, 05:23 PM

Yes, but there is a Cap comic from the silver age where Cap. and Bucky fight Hulk and win.

I think they like made him eat a bottle of anti-deppresents ahahahah

Also, Cap has superhuman strength, reflexles, and speed. He just isnt as strong or as fast as most superheros

Atom_basher

12-10-2004, 02:55 AM

have the hulk and the fury ever fought, im sure the fury could beat hulk

discostu

12-10-2004, 03:32 AM

KAy

12-10-2004, 09:12 AM

Let's see: Hulk's strength is roughly 100+ tons, right? Well, Superman's strength index is 25, which translates to a whooping 819 200 tons, which means that Superman is 8192 times stronger than the Hulk. Since Hulk cannot instantly increase his power to such an extent, he will be absolutely obliterated and his remains will be scattered throughout the Solar System. ;q

ps: not that anyone writing comics actually knows a thing or two about physics or martial arts, but anyway.

SteelTownr

12-10-2004, 09:19 AM

Let's see: Hulk's strength is roughly 100+ tons, right?

Not exactly.

When Marvel first started using the Class 100 it was equal to tons, but since characters in the Class 100 range obviously lift way more than 100 tons, that is no longer the case.

Superman is not stronger than the Hulk.

Mark B.

UncleBob

12-10-2004, 10:10 AM

Since Hulk cannot instantly increase his power to such an extent, he will be absolutely obliterated and his remains will be scattered throughout the Solar System.

He gets stronger when angrier, and he heals near instantly, not to mention you have to get past that hide to even hurt him. Hulk = bashy bashy!

And he's gone toe to toe with Superman before and he can easily hold his own against Supes, and probably beat him if he keeps getting angrier.

comic_lover

12-10-2004, 05:35 PM

Gladiator and Thing could go toe to toe with Hulk? Not for long I don't think. I think they're well out of Hulk's strength range- people like Juggernaut and Abomination have a better chance.
What about someone like Galactus? (Actually, have we ever seen Galactus fist fight? Was he any good? The Thing got the livin beejeezus beat out of him by Champion,yet he still got up.Some times all it takes is heart,and Ben Grimm has plenty of it.You also have to factor in his mutated form,which could have beat the Gray Hulk if he wasn't such a sneaky sum biaotch. :D

comic_lover

12-10-2004, 05:36 PM

the only MARVEL character besides THOR who would stand a chance of beating the HULK in a fist fight is the SENTRY. But then again, seeing the HUlk and Sentry interact makes me think that the HULK would never actually try to fight Sentry.
The Sentry ? Gads,what a lame ass character.He'll beat himself in time when his character fades into obscurity.

KAy

12-10-2004, 08:22 PM

Not exactly.

When Marvel first started using the Class 100 it was equal to tons, but since characters in the Class 100 range obviously lift way more than 100 tons, that is no longer the case.

Superman is not stronger than the Hulk.

Mark B.

"Way more" != "thosand times more". Superman's strength is close to entity-level strength (small celestial bodies are obliterated with the exercise of this level of strength). Hulk can't even dream of touching this level of strength, no matter what the ignorant writers would like you fanboys to believe, sorry. ;(

And you all are missing one thing -- it's not strength alone that wins fights. Superman is insanely fast. The force of impact depends on (more or less) your strength AND speed. The faster your punch is, the bigger impact you'll make. Hulk is a snail compared to Superman, and with Superman's strength augmented by Superman's speed Supes is nearly unstoppable. Same goes for Silver Surfer -- he's C1000, indestructible and warp-speed fast. With speed like that... one blink and there's no Hulk.

ps: sure, physics and logic aren't exactly friends with comics, but don't tell that to me, tell that to writers.

SteelTownr

12-10-2004, 08:53 PM

"Way more" != "thosand times more". Superman's strength is close to entity-level strength (small celestial bodies are obliterated with the exercise of this level of strength). Hulk can't even dream of touching this level of strength, no matter what the ignorant writers would like you fanboys to believe, sorry. ;(

And you all are missing one thing -- it's not strength alone that wins fights. Superman is insanely fast. The force of impact depends on (more or less) your strength AND speed. The faster your punch is, the bigger impact you'll make. Hulk is a snail compared to Superman, and with Superman's strength augmented by Superman's speed Supes is nearly unstoppable. Same goes for Silver Surfer -- he's C1000, indestructible and warp-speed fast. With speed like that... one blink and there's no Hulk.

ps: sure, physics and logic aren't exactly friends with comics, but don't tell that to me, tell that to writers.

The Hulk has stood up to Superman on several occasions. Superman is not stronger than him.

Mark B.

Jonathanos

12-10-2004, 09:30 PM

Let's see: Hulk's strength is roughly 100+ tons, right?

http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8271/island.jpg

He then swims while carrying this island (which isn't drawn in proportion in this pic) overhead.

Superman's strength is close to entity-level strength (small celestial bodies are obliterated with the exercise of this level of strength). Hulk can't even dream of touching this level of strength, no matter what the ignorant writers would like you fanboys to believe, sorry.

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/6840/Asteroid.jpg

Hulk shattered this asteroid.

Calm, he was shown to casually pull many thousands of tons. With his rage greatly impaired, he leaped and caught a falling train and carried it to safety. Same rage-impaired form, he held up 150 billion tons.

He has lifted submarines and starships. Thrown a humanoid that weighed as much as a mountain. Overcome the attraction between matter and anti-matter. Despite a cosmic power's telepathic command to remain motionless, the Hulk pushed through a field containing enough power to change the orbit of a planet.

100 tons? Not even close.

Trystenn

12-10-2004, 10:10 PM

Hey post the cover og Hulk Holding up a mountain that was said to weigh several million tons!!!
Hulk is the winner of strength, no matter which universe your talkin.

Jonathanos

12-10-2004, 10:59 PM

It was 150 billion tons.

Trystenn

12-10-2004, 11:07 PM

It was 150 billion tons.
Ya it was one of those two, i was just trying to be merciful is all.
Well i hope it puts an end to Hulk is only "Class 100" thing.

KAy

12-10-2004, 11:27 PM

discostu

12-10-2004, 11:35 PM

*sigh* Even if Hulk is as strong as Superman, the question is "Can anyone beat Hulk in a standing fight?", not "Can anyone beat Hulk in armwrestling match?". And as I've already stated, strength alone isn't be all end all when it comes to winning a fight.
*sigh* even IF superman is a strong as the HULK, the question isn't can anyone beat the Hulk, the question is can anyone contain the Hulk? Or, can anyone calm the Hulk down? because you can't beat someone who gets increasingly stronger the more you try to beat him. The logic is so simple, it's scary.

chicainery

12-11-2004, 12:26 AM

The logic is so simple, it's scary.

The Hulk's like a chinese finger puzzle.

KAy

12-11-2004, 01:28 AM

*sigh* even IF superman is a strong as the HULK, the question isn't can anyone beat the Hulk, the question is can anyone contain the Hulk? Or, can anyone calm the Hulk down? because you can't beat someone who gets increasingly stronger the more you try to beat him. The logic is so simple, it's scary.

The question is as stated in the thread's name. And you can knock the Hulk out, especially before he's too crazy, or just kill him. He's not made from adamantium, y'know. ;)

comic_lover

12-11-2004, 02:28 AM

The Hulk has stood up to Superman on several occasions. Superman is not stronger than him.

Mark B. The Hulk has speed,but not the kind of speed Clark has.While The Hulk is a powerhouse,Superman also has Heat Ray Vision,Super Speed,X-Ray vision,Flight,and other powers such as his super cold breath. ( Corny I know,but still.... ) Supes and Hulk might be on par with one another in the strength department,when it comes to complete power Superman could just knock The Hulk through a planet and into a sun.Poof.His green ass is grass.

Dark Soul # 7

12-11-2004, 02:34 AM

The question is as stated in the thread's name. And you can knock the Hulk out, especially before he's too crazy, or just kill him. He's not made from adamantium, y'know. ;)

When they who can beat Hulk in a standing fight they mean in a fight about just strength and invulnerability.

comic_lover

12-11-2004, 02:43 AM

When they who can beat Hulk in a standing fight they mean in a fight about just strength and invulnerability. I've wondered why it didn't just say " Who could kick the Hulk's ass in a fight ? " That would have made alot more sense.Standing fight ? Have you ever been in a fight ? Who the hell " stands around " ? Fighting isn't like an R.P.G. where you " take turns " for Pete's Sake ! :D Could anyone calm him down ? Yeah,a " super-powered hooker ! :D

cable guy

12-11-2004, 05:40 AM

SteelTownr

12-11-2004, 07:07 AM

The Hulk has speed,but not the kind of speed Clark has.While The Hulk is a powerhouse,Superman also has Heat Ray Vision,Super Speed,X-Ray vision,Flight,and other powers such as his super cold breath. ( Corny I know,but still.... ) Supes and Hulk might be on par with one another in the strength department,when it comes to complete power Superman could just knock The Hulk through a planet and into a sun.Poof.His green ass is grass.

Where did I say in my post that the Hulk was as fast as Superman?

Mark B.

Nightcrawler

12-11-2004, 10:55 AM

Superman is, well super. The Hulk is Incredible. Hulk is strong, Supes is strong, fast, has heat-vision, X-Ray vision...

Halofreak20

12-11-2004, 11:00 AM

Well, yes Superman is proboly the strongest hero in the DC universe while the Hulk is obviously the strongest in the Marvel Universe but, I think that Superman has more fighting skills than the hulk so it really depends whether or not he's fighting Hulk with Bruce Banners brain or the dumb Hulk. Like if he was fighting the dumb hulk, Hulk would win by a long shot because he would get so angry he would knock supermans head off mainly because the guys who have fought Hulk at his angriset before all have a big defense value while superman is more offense so he wouldnt be able to go head to toe with a angry hulk

Nightcrawler

12-11-2004, 11:03 AM

Supes could just keep flying away, blasting Hulk all the time with heat vision.

SteelTownr

12-11-2004, 11:18 AM

Supes could just keep flying away, blasting Hulk all the time with heat vision.

Which wouldn't accomplish too much.

The Hulk would just heal and get madder.

Mark B.

Halofreak20

12-11-2004, 11:21 AM

Not to metion his trademark hop!

cable guy

12-12-2004, 09:35 AM

I don't read Superman anymore but it seems from what I hear he's a little too super. can't he read minds or something now. how rediculous. I guess the flight thing would make me most nervous in a fight between the two. his speed of flight. light speed fast.
couldn't Superman like throw Hulk into space. it's easier said than done, I know, but still possible.

Halofreak20

12-12-2004, 10:00 AM

thats retarted. I hate Superman because he is to powerfull I mean its stupid how he has so much power. It ticks me off.

comic_lover

12-12-2004, 11:03 AM

thats retarted. I hate Superman because he is to powerfull I mean its stupid how he has so much power. It ticks me off. :confused: " retarted " ? What in the heck is " retarted " ?

Halofreak20

12-12-2004, 11:45 AM

:confused: " retarted " ? What in the heck is " retarted " ?

Another word for stupid, I made up.

Mike Smash!

12-12-2004, 11:48 AM

thats retarted. I hate Superman because he is to powerfull I mean its stupid how he has so much power. It ticks me off.

Um, he's Superman. He's supposed to be powerful. That's sort of the point of Superman.

Halofreak20

12-12-2004, 12:18 PM

Mike Smash!

12-12-2004, 12:24 PM

But, thats exactly why Marvel makes better comics, in DC it seems like some of their superheros are invincible.

In Marvel there is actully real drama to these heros. They go through hardships with their powers and resposnibilites, and they certinly arent perfect. I love Marvel as much as anyone, especially the Hulk, but the DC characters are just as human and flawed as their Marvel counterparts, just in different ways.

And the quality of the comics is based on the writer and the artists, not the power of the characters.

cable guy

12-12-2004, 02:02 PM

I agree with with the fact that Superman should indeed be super,
but common with all the extra abilities and super powers. I aways thought the
heat vision thing was weird but now telepathy.

cable guy

12-12-2004, 02:42 PM

I was just on a Superman website and it didn't say anything about mental telepathy but only suggested possible mental powers because he can stop his heartbeat. anyway back to the topic I guess Superman would win but you would have to give Hulk a punchers chance.

comic_lover

12-12-2004, 03:02 PM

Another word for stupid, I made up. Good recovery. :cool:

Trystenn

12-12-2004, 03:50 PM

Halofreak20

12-12-2004, 04:50 PM

I would have no idea because I dont follow DC but I must say that Superman is way to powerfull I mean he ruins all the other heros in DC because he is so much better than them.

I mean he almost beat the flash in a race once I think. Thats just stupid

Dark Lord of the Bith

12-12-2004, 07:35 PM

Brolly can go toe to toe with him. Like Hulk, he gets stronger in a fight {the longer it lasts, the stronger he gets}, and has INSANE durability {he took a fully charged Kamehameha to the fact without even a hair being out of place}.

They'd literally fight forever, as neither could kill the other or get stronger. Hulk gets madder, Brolly get stronger. Brolly gets stronger, Hulk gets madder.

Brolly has strength that increases the longer the fight lasts, extreme speed {could hit Hulk 100 times by the time Hulk got off a punch}, and insane du