CBI Round 1 - Public Vote - Closed (News of Recont Posted)

[Brandon Hanvey]

Please vote for the artist you would like to advance to the next round.

This poll will be open for 24 hours and will close on Thursday the 18th at 12 PM EST (9 AM PST).

In order to vote, you must be a registered member of the CBR Forums. Please only one vote per person.

If someone is found to be using multiple accounts, your votes will be subtracted and your accounts will be banned.

The top vote-getter of this round will have their pages published in an upcoming issue of “Fathom” and will receive copies of the publication.

The two contestants with the lowest amount of votes will be eliminated from the contest.

Feel to post your comments about the voting.

Here are the assignments for each contestant for Round 1:

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Jose Holder (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194003)

Andrew Huerta (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194062)

Daniel Lafrance (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194018)

Warren Leonhardt (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194030)

Dan McDaid (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194061)

Caio Oliveira (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194067)

Nick Pitarra (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=193952)

Jon Reed (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194028)

Wilfredo Torres (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194036)

Charles Paul Wilson III (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=194004)

[Brandon Hanvey]

Every four hours or so I will be posting the totals so I can make a graph showing how the voting went over time. Though I may need some help around the 8 AM EST (5 AM PST which is my time).

[JimmyDee]

Dan McDaid was the strongest this week IMO. No one else came even close, he was that good.

[polystyleneman]

The more I look the more I say Jon Reed. Dan's style just really didn't work for me. (I know, I know. That's a very unpopular opinion around here. But I have the right to disagree.)

[TuPeT]

I've really liked Caio Oliveira, great style. My vote is his. Dan and Daniel made great, but Caio made it better IMHO.

[fromdivine]

yeah yeah...its kool, Andrew Huerta's got mad skills EVERY day of the week...too bad you cant check out all his other art works...MUCH LOVE ANDREW!

FromDivine - CYN <3

[illustrate_ed]

I just finished reading--and loving--Frank Espinoza's Rocketo: Journey to the Hidden Sea, so Dan gets my vote this week because his work reminds me so much of Cooke AND Espinoza. Dan's work is intriguing, and I look forward to seeing more.

[DKBingham]

I say we start a 'Save Daniel LaFrance' Group, lol. He's tied for last place right now, and he definitely deserves to be higher up. Hopefully we'll get to see more work from him!

[Dan M]

My girlfriend voted for DLF. Go DLF!

[davidbovey]

I say we start a 'Save Daniel LaFrance' Group, lol. He's tied for last place right now, and he definitely deserves to be higher up. Hopefully we'll get to see more work from him!

It's still early. These things have an eb and flow to them.

[Jason Masters]

man I don't envy the contestants at all during this part. ooh boy.

[DanielSchenstrom]

I had a really, really, really hard time choosing between Jose and Andrew. In the end I thought: Who would I most want on my favorite books, and for me that was Jose. So Jose, go draw me some Uncanny X-men. And Andrew, New X-men is yours.

[George Tramountanas]

Lots of great entries! The one with the clearest story-telling to me was Charles Paul Wilson. I don't even need any word balloons or SFX to tell what's going on.

Good job!

[BiG69]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.

[shwa96]

Dan McDaid was the strongest this week IMO. No one else came even close, he was that good.

Amen, Brother.

[Brandon Hanvey]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.

Yes it is. The two contestants with the lowest votes in this poll will be eliminated. The judges of each round are there to give their opinion and advise the contestants on how they can improve.

[polystyleneman]

Lots of great entries! The one with the clearest story-telling to me was Charles Paul Wilson. I don't even need any word balloons or SFX to tell what's going on.

Good job!

Personally, I think that's the first test an artist should hold themselves to.

[davidbovey]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.

Part of it's popularity, part of it's merit and personal opinion. No offense to Warren but I wasn't a fan of his work in this round and thought that he was most likely to be eliminated based on merit. But again, that's only my opinion.

[shwa96]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.


It is. The two lowest go home (figuratively speaking).

As for it being a popularity contest...these people are unknowns. Any popularity they receive comes as a direct result of the work they submit to this contest.

[polystyleneman]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.

Your thoughts on Warren are your opinion, and we each have our own. If people are popular, who's to say that that popularity isn't earned by merit?

Just look at the judges remarks to see how personal opinion varies on each artist. Merit in this sort of contest is very subjective. There are so many factors to weigh.

Anyways, the contest is staying pretty interesting, with it being generally pretty close, with no stand out winner.

And I agree with the earlier post, this must be the worst part of this whole thing for the poor contestants. Don't stress guys: worst case scenario, you each got critiques from industry insiders and each of you have gained fans in us viewers. :o

[Brandon Hanvey]

It is. The two lowest go home (figuratively speaking).

As for it being a popularity contest...these people are unknowns. Any popularity they receive comes as a direct result of the work they submit to this contest.

Well that and probably some people posting on their blogs, message boards, email list, etc. about voting. All of which is fine and within the rules.

If we see some votes that don't look right, we investigate the accounts. We take action if we find someone voting under multiple accounts.

[Vash-MBB]

Go! Caio Go GO GO!!!!:)

[kalorama]

This was a tough choice. A number of contestants did work that I liked, but no one really blew me away. I was able to narrow the field by half pretty easily, but choosing among the 5 remaining wasn't easy. It was basically a five-way toss up. Storytelling always comes first with me, though, so I went with Charles Paul Wilson III. He really sold the narrative. His rendering style wasn't as flashy or ornate as some others, but it was fundamentally solid and his use of shadows and spotted blacks to define form and create mood put me in mind of Phil Hester. He had a nice combo of storytelling, readability, style, and draftsmanship.

But I really would also like to see Jon Reed (among others) in the next round. I like his style (esp. what appears to be a Paul Grist influence) but I think he may have been put at a disadvantage in that his style might not be well-suited to this sort of character).

[joelcook]

Go! Caio Go GO GO!!!!:)

GO CAIO!!.... HIS WORK IS BADA$$!!!!!!!!:eek:

Look forward to seeing more Caio!

[comicinlaw]

Great work by everyone!

[Daniel L.]

I say we start a 'Save Daniel LaFrance' Group, lol. He's tied for last place right now, and he definitely deserves to be higher up. Hopefully we'll get to see more work from him!

Haha!
Thanks for the support! But I've put myself in this position, so I'll live with the consequences.
:)

[polystyleneman]

Haha!
Thanks for the support! But I've put myself in this position, so I'll live with the consequences.
:)

That's the right attitude, my man!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Voters keep in mind that if you are voting from the same household or office, it will raise a red flag since the accounts will most likely share the same IP. It will not automatically void your vote,. It will just mean we will have to investigate your vote.

[Kalyan Pokala]

My favorites this round were Jose Holder, CPWilson, and Nick Pitarra.

I am very very very shocked Holder does not have more votes. The man has far and away the best pages or at least one of the top 2-3, IMO. What would be cool is if we could rank them and the points could work that way. :)

[Brandon Hanvey]

If CBI history has taught me anything, it is too early to worry about anyone.

Plus the international contestants usually get a bump in votes later on due to the time difference.

[the goddamn batman]

I know I was hard on everybody's pages but, all of you guys did some great work!!

This is a harder call then I thought it would be... :(

[Kaishounashi]

I voted on Caio Oliveira, but i also liked the art of Daniel Lafrance, Jose Holder and Dan Mccaid.

In fact, i'm worried about the fact that Lafrance is on the last position right now. To me, that's not right...

[W.Blankenship]

I voted McDaid. A rich flavor that goes down smooth.

3!LL

[Brandon Hanvey]

Four hours in here are the votes.

Caio Oliveira 37 14.74%
Nick Pitarra 36 14.34%
Dan McDaid 31 12.35%
Jose Holder 21 8.37%
Andrew Huerta 20 7.97%
Daniel Lafrance 19 7.57%
Warren Leonhardt 18 7.17%
Jon Reed 22 8.76%
Wilfredo Torres 24 9.56%
Charles Paul Wilson III 23 9.16%

Voters: 251

[Physicdesigns]

well i see it doesnt matter i didnt make the initial cut, because i dont know nearly enough people to compete with these guys marketing.

[BiG69]

I would've liked to see the judges involved in the vote as a sort of "Wild Card" stage. Advance the first five from the Public Vote and the last five go to the judges to determine who is eliminated. If I were a contestant, I would feel better about the elimination process, if it wasn't just because some one was able to get 100 people to sway the vote. The judges have experience in this medium and can make a more informed decision on talent. I'm not pointing the finger at any contestant. I'm just saying it would make a more fair and balanced system. Again........just a matter of opinion.

[the goddamn batman]

If I were a contestant, I would feel better about the elimination process, if it wasn't just because some one was able to get 100 people to sway the vote.

That's kind of a bullshit comment though. If someone has 100 fans that will vote for them, they're obviously doing good work. If someone has 100 friends they can get to vote for them well, that's the rub.

Voting is how it's done. Everyone knew that going into it. Besides, at this point, I don't see anyone so far ahead that it's a concern worth even mentioning.

[polystyleneman]

well i see it doesnt matter i didnt make the initial cut, because i dont know nearly enough people to compete with these guys marketing.

I hope that's not how it is working, but if people end up getting everybody they know to vote for them, I guess everybody has an equal opportunity to do so...

[shwa96]

Voting is how it's done. Everyone knew that going into it. Besides, at this point, I don't see anyone so far ahead that it's a concern worth even mentioning.

No kidding. Right now, 7 guys are within 3 votes.

[BiG69]

That's kind of a bullshit comment though. If someone has 100 fans that will vote for them, they're obviously doing good work. If someone has 100 friends they can get to vote for them well, that's the rub.

Voting is how it's done. Everyone knew that going into it. Besides, at this point, I don't see anyone so far ahead that it's a concern worth even mentioning.

Maybe it's just me,.....bullshit our not, but I don't believe that makes this as impartial as it could be.

[pooptooth]

They're all pretty garbagey aside from Warren's.

Actually, McDaid's is good too. But Warren is tops.

[Physicdesigns]

well i agree the system is the system, take it or leave it, all knew that goin in.

but lets not act like how many people you know doesnt make a difference. i mean just a glance and you can see that.

[J. Torres]

Four hours in here are the votes.

Jose Holder 21 8.37%
Andrew Huerta 20 7.97%
Daniel Lafrance 19 7.57%
Warren Leonhardt 18 7.17%
Dan McDaid 31 12.35%
Caio Oliveira 37 14.74%
Nick Pitarra 36 14.34%
Jon Reed 22 8.76%
Wilfredo Torres 24 9.56%
Charles Paul Wilson III 23 9.16%

Voters: 251

And remember folks, as with any vote, the numbers you see at the end when the polls close don't necessarily reflect the final count and outcome.

We are already finding "irregularities" and, yes, I'll come out and say it, cheaters.

Some IPs have thus been banned and certain CBR accounts closed. Yes, we're aware that people share computers and Internet connections but we're also aware of how people can cheat. We're doing our best to be fair and get the math right, so the final count isn't the final count until we make it official.

Lastly, the CBR moderators' decision as acting poll judges is final.

Thank you for your attention.

[davidbovey]

Maybe it's just me,.....bullshit our not, but I don't believe that makes this as impartial as it could be.

It's set up exactly like the TV show. The public decides who the next "Idol" is. I'm sure every person involved in this has put out an all points bulletin to get whoever they know to vote.

In all likelyhood, that aspect cancels it's self out and the people who actually vote for who they think is best surfaces to the top. I'd be surprised if people look at the voting and can't see logically that the right person won in the end.

[J. Torres]

If I were a contestant, I would feel better about the elimination process, if it wasn't just because some one was able to get 100 people to sway the vote. The judges have experience in this medium and can make a more informed decision on talent.

I certainly see your point, but we've already done what you're suggesting in our own way. The ten contestants were selected by eight former contestants, all artists in their own right, experienced with this contest, and accomplished in many ways. While they don't have, say, Marc Silvestri's credentials, they can definitely be considered "informed" in this realm.

This kind of public vote always stands the risk of being more about popularity (or campaigning) than talent or "the best." This can be said of how we choose a winner in CBI, or how they pick American Idols, or even how leaders are elected in democratic countries. But it is what it is and the point here is to try and have fun with it...

[kalorama]

Maybe it's just me,.....bullshit our not, but I don't believe that makes this as impartial as it could be.

Any system designed, implemented, and operated by actual human beings is going to be flawed and imperfect. A voting system is no different.

[Physicdesigns]

you sound like you re an alien lover.... or maybe one of them there robots. traitor!

[DKBingham]

So what happens in the event of a three-way tie (or more) for last place?

[kalorama]

you sound like you re an alien lover.... !

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

[J. Torres]

So what happens in the event of a three-way tie (or more) for last place?

I believe it was in season one where we ended up with a tie of some kind and we broke it by posting a subsequent poll for a limited time. We've come close once or twice but it hasn't happened since.

[stinkbrown]

I would have to put my one vote with Dan McDaid. The guy has a great style, a good sense of panels and a great overall set of pages. I thought Jose and Warren were pretty good, and would get my other votes, but Dan is well ahead of the others.

Dan, if you don't win I have a project for us!!!

Not to be rude, but I am surprised at the two top vote getters. I am in no way knocking their work, but am just shocked that they are higher than some of the other artists. I didn't think their framing or anatomy was anywhere near strong enough...but that's just my opinion and we will have to let the votes speak for themselves.

[garth_b]

Hi. Signed up to this board specifically because of CBI.

I have read a lot of what has been posted around this competition on the boards and realise I am very much the amatuer when it comes to critique-ing the art. To be honest I, only recently, realised the contribution the art made to the story-telling. Call me slow or something but I am a word person at the end of the day.

I really liked Nick Patarra's style with plenty to look at on the page. What I don't like is gratuitous sexuality. I felt the reveal of Aspen with virtually the whole body exposed and her contrived pose was gratuitous sexuality and so he missed out on my vote even though I liked almost everything else about his art work.

Wilfreddo Torres got my vote.

[willustrator]

My votes in and it went to Holder. Good luck to all involved in getting through, hopefully well see a lot more voting in the closing hours

[Vince Hernandez]

I had a blast offering my insights in this round, the contestants all did a great job in a short amount of time. I was really impressed with some of the contestants, and overall, I think each artist has a bright future--so win or lose i think you all should be proud of your first effort.

I also enjoyed reading all the various comments and critiques on the sample script (with the exception of Martin Redmond's idiotic comment) from all you guys. Fun stuff. There are definitely some intelligent and constructive opinions being tossed around on these boards.

[R Santos Jr]

Ouch.
The shift from "who drew the best pages" to a more subtle "which should be published in Fathom" is a really critical key to choosing a favorite.

I have to confess, of all the artist's pages, Caio's definitely look the most like Fathom material...
But, I'm going to stick with my original choice and go with Dan McDaid.

Still, I'm totally rooting for Nick, Jose and Wilfredo to survive this round as well! ^^;

[Victor Rolf]

I would have to put my one vote with Dan McDaid. The guy has a great style, a good sense of panels and a great overall set of pages. I thought Jose and Warren were pretty good, and would get my other votes, but Dan is well ahead of the others.

Dan, if you don't win I have a project for us!!!

Not to be rude, but I am surprised at the two top vote getters. I am in no way knocking their work, but am just shocked that they are higher than some of the other artists. I didn't think their framing or anatomy was anywhere near strong enough...but that's just my opinion and we will have to let the votes speak for themselves.

I agree that Dan does a grate work! and i like it! But i think to criticize anatomy is not a god argument. Anatomy is not perfect in dan´s work to but he is a grate artist, art not allways need anatomy. And comic book "art" is the name of the job not not "anotomy book ilustration" and i agree about framing!

[J. Torres]

I had a blast offering my insights in this round, the contestants all did a great job in a short amount of time. I was really impressed with some of the contestants, and overall, I think each artist has a bright future--so win or lose i think you all should be proud of your first effort.

I also enjoyed reading all the various comments and critiques on the sample script (with the exception of Martin Redmond's idiotic comment) from all you guys. Fun stuff. There are definitely some intelligent and constructive opinions being tossed around on these boards.

Thanks again for doing this, Vince!

Looking forward to seeing who wins this round and gets published by Aspen...

[samsquapch]

no one on this talented panel captures the expression in the eyes like warrens piece, warren gets my vote as number 1 this week for sure, a couple came close but not close enough! bungggg!

[Aníbal]

Caio Oliveira

[R Santos Jr]

Fun stuff. There are definitely some intelligent and constructive opinions being tossed around on these boards.
Speaking of intelligent...

If Aspen can turn into water, why DOES she need to shower? :D (j/k)

Thanks alot!
(P.S. you don't mind if me or any of the other artists around here use your script for making up portfolio pages, do you?)

[Vince Hernandez]

Speaking of intelligent...

If Aspen can turn into water, why DOES she need to shower? :D (j/k)

Thanks alot!
(P.S. you don't mind if me or any of the other artists around here use your script for making up portfolio pages, do you?)

Because she can't turn the water into soap, shampoo, or conditioner:o

I would be honored if you wanted to use the script for portfolio pages. Thanks.

[Sheldon]

I heart Dan McDaid

[Wild&Uncouth]

i can't wait to see who moves on to the next round...

[DidCart]

My vote: Caio Oliveira!
This guy is awesome!

[polystyleneman]

They're all pretty garbagey aside from Warren's.

Actually, McDaid's is good too. But Warren is tops.

We must be into totally different comic styles. Oh, well. For each their own. :)

[the goddamn batman]

Maybe it's just me,.....bullshit our not, but I don't believe that makes this as impartial as it could be.

It is just you. It's a vote. That's how votes work. You don't have to like it, you just have to be able to live with it.

Also? You (not you...) might be eliminated because artist X has more friends or fans or family or whatever, but that doesn't mean an editor or writer won't contact you about doing work.

[samsquapch]

after a closer look, i personally like the way that the helicopter in warren piece is not menacing, because it adds to the kaos of a shattered tranquility, the characters did not expect to be blown up, and neither did the reader, imagine if you will, they are at their little bungalo, maybe a radio playing, nice sunny day, everything is calm, the BAM! now if there was a menacing chopper flying you could imagine the thumping of the propellers would take away from the peacefull afternoon, and the surprise would be gone, the hero would have ample time to summon her powers before the destruction,(also by the way, warrens version the hero blasting the chopper was far more powerfull than any other artist on this panel, you could almost feel the shock wave) and that is the most important part of these clips, the unleashing of her power.

[shwa96]

I agree that Dan does a grate work! and i like it! But i think to criticize anatomy is not a god argument. Anatomy is not perfect in dan´s work to but he is a grate artist, art not allways need anatomy. And comic book "art" is the name of the job not not "anotomy book ilustration" and i agree about framing!

I'm not saying the anatomy is perfect in Dan's piece, but if you're saying that his anatomy is not perfect because he's cartoony and stylized, I would disagree with you. His figures are more anatomically correct than most of the submissions because he has the correct proportions, regardless of whether or not his style is "realistic".

[Brandon Hanvey]

Four hours have past. Let's see how things have changed.

Caio Oliveira 62 14.52%
Nick Pitarra 61 14.29%
Dan McDaid 53 12.41%
Jon Reed 42 9.84%
Daniel Lafrance 38 8.90%
Charles Paul Wilson III 37 8.67%
Jose Holder 37 8.67%
Andrew Huerta 37 8.67%
Warren Leonhardt 33 7.73%
Wilfredo Torres 27 6.32%

Voters: 427.

Four hours in here are the votes.

Caio Oliveira 37 14.74%
Nick Pitarra 36 14.34%
Dan McDaid 31 12.35%
Wilfredo Torres 24 9.56%
Charles Paul Wilson III 23 9.16%
Jon Reed 22 8.76%
Jose Holder 21 8.37%
Andrew Huerta 20 7.97%
Daniel Lafrance 19 7.57%
Warren Leonhardt 18 7.17%


Voters: 251


Caio Oliveira and Nick Pitarra still are neck and neck for the lead.

Daniel Lafrance has moved up in the standings.

Wilfredo Torres has gotten only a few votes in the past few hours and Warren Leonhardt is only a few votes away from not being in the bottom two.

See you in another four hours.

[R Santos Jr]

Also? You (not you...) might be eliminated because artist X has more friends or fans or family or whatever, but that doesn't mean an editor or writer won't contact you about doing work.

Exactly.
I seriously doubt that should Jose Holder, for example, be knocked out this round, we'll be hearing the last of him. SOMEBODY is going to hire him after seeing what he's capable of in 4 and a half day's time.

[warren_0]

If I were a contestant, I would feel better about the elimination process, if it wasn't just because some one was able to get 100 people to sway the vote.

I appreciate the concern, and I see your point. Maybe it needs a correction for next round? But then again, it's been running for 3 years as is.

[polystyleneman]

You (not you...) might be eliminated because artist X has more friends or fans or family or whatever, but that doesn't mean an editor or writer won't contact you about doing work.

I think this is the point that the contestants should take to heart. If your work stands on its own merit, there's nothing to preclude an observing editor from taking note of your work. Popularity or otherwise.

[TimothyCallahan]

Jose knocked me out the most this week, but everything I've seen from the entire gang is damn impressive. Nicely done, boys.

[janedimariamiskovic]

Wow.... You are so amazing Charles!!!!!! You are the BEST!!!! Who wouldn't vote for YOU!!!!!! This is truely the greatest work I have seen... Jane

[warren_0]

Vivre LaFrance! Vivre LaFrance!

[mightyfineline]

If Jose loses... the terrorists win.
Protect America! Vote for JOSE HOLDER!

[the goddamn batman]

If Jose loses... the terrorists win.
Protect America! Vote for JOSE HOLDER!

I know it's a joke, but you do realize that he's Canadian, right?

[warren_0]

They're all pretty garbagey aside from Warren's.

Actually, McDaid's is good too. But Warren is tops.

Woops. Sorry Mr. McDaid (and everyone else). I paid him too well.:eek:

[mightyfineline]

I know it's a joke, but you do realize that he's Canadian, right?

Who cares? Canadians are just like Americans, they just have better beer and free health care.

[jpolacek]

Yeah, how can Holder be anywhere near the bottom? Makes no sense.

[shwa96]

Ahem...

Dan-

This is almost impossible to criticize. The layouts, storytelling, and overall feel are all professional grade! With your work, I believe it will come down to whether or not the “old school” aesthetic will resonate with voters because the skills are already there man.

From the opening panel (which can serve as a clinic on composition) you had me with the “classic” vibe. Dig that 50’s TV! All I can really do here is point out to everyone else what you do RIGHT because it would be unfair to try and criticize the work itself.

Almost every panel has a great kinetic energy to it yet still manages to feel relaxed and natural. I had to mentally remove the gray wash and imagine it as color and it still held up. Good composition is good composition plain and simple. I want everyone to note that in panel #1 the positioning of the car, the direction of the road, the spotting of the black on the house, even the right hand position of the sun, does the most important thing in a 2D medium. It makes it look 3D! The composition NATURALLY leads the eye left to right, and FRONT TO BACK.

This natural sense of composition carries over in the next panel with the chair as a foreground element. Again your eye is then lead back INTO the panel by way of the TV, then Chance, then Aspen.

In the last panel on the page the decision to tilt the shot was spot-on. It adds the necessary feeling of movement and urgency the page needs to lead you to…

…BOOM! This is just great storytelling. Nothing fancy just solid, well paced, and entertaining. Who could ask for more in a comic? Again the publics taste will determine how they feel about the “look”, but Dan, you’ve got a fan in me. Damn good job.

Vote McDaid

[AzIz]

Yeah, how can Holder be anywhere near the bottom? Makes no sense.

Does anyone remember Sanjaya???? :(

[jpolacek]

One way to eliminate the popularity contest problem would be to set up voting so that you rank the contestants from best to worst. Maybe that's beyond the technical scope of what CBR can do on a message board, but that would correct the issue.

[R Santos Jr]

Ahem...


Dan, you’ve got a fan in me. Damn good job.

Vote McDaid
Can't already voted for him...
But I'm totally ready to change my mind right now out of pure jealously and hateration. XD

[Yu-mon]

My english no is good... but.... GO ZED GO :D :D :D (CAIO OLIVEIRA!!!)
Vai lá Zed :)

[kalorama]

One way to eliminate the popularity contest problem would be to set up voting so that you rank the contestants from best to worst. Maybe that's beyond the technical scope of what CBR can do on a message board, but that would correct the issue.

I don't know if that would discourage ballot stuffing, but I like the idea just generally speaking.

[Victor Rolf]

I'm not saying the anatomy is perfect in Dan's piece, but if you're saying that his anatomy is not perfect because he's cartoony and stylized, I would disagree with you. His figures are more anatomically correct than most of the submissions because he has the correct proportions, regardless of whether or not his style is "realistic".

I´m just saying the same thing , that art may not be limited by anatomy. I did not say that his " not perfect anatomy" was a negative point , but a positive one.And i like the anatomy in Dan´s work becose it is his style, just like Caio Oliveira.

the anatomy may not be "wrong" just becose the artist dont know how to do the rigth way "É preciso saber construir para poder desconstruir"

[D.K Thomas]

VOTE WILFREDO T !
I love his Texas HasH!

[Brandon Hanvey]

At the halfway point of the poll, here is how things stand.

Caio Oliveira 73 12.44%
Nick Pitarra 71 12.10%
Jon Reed 70 11.93%
Dan McDaid 65 11.07%
Charles Paul Wilson III 64 10.90%
Wilfredo Torres 57 9.71%
Andrew Huerta 52 8.86%
Jose Holder 47 8.01%
Warren Leonhardt 46 7.84%
Daniel Lafrance 42 7.16%

Voters: 587


Caio Oliveira 62 14.52%
Nick Pitarra 61 14.29%
Dan McDaid 53 12.41%
Jon Reed 42 9.84%
Daniel Lafrance 38 8.90%
Charles Paul Wilson III 37 8.67%
Jose Holder 37 8.67%
Andrew Huerta 37 8.67%
Warren Leonhardt 33 7.73%
Wilfredo Torres 27 6.32%

Voters: 427


Caio Oliveira and Nick Pitarra still are at the top, but Jon Reed is gaining on them.

Wilfredo Torres gained 30 votes and has pulled to the middle of the pack from being in last place.

Warren Leonhardt seems to keep only a few votes away from not being eliminated while Daniel Lafrance dropped to last by only getting 4 votes.

[BADunn]

How is Dan McDaid not in first right now? Same thing goes for Chuck Wilson. They're too talented to be lingering in the middle.

I voted for Dan because I just loved his simple, retro-but-not-antiquated style. It didn't quite fit this project but mismatches can be some of the most exciting elements to art. I'd love to see him do a Hawaiian Dick or Casanova story. A romance comic would be easy for him. However, I'd love to see what he could throw at something even more outside his chosen box. What if he did something like, say, Spawn? How weird and wonderful would that be? I fear his style may limit his opportunities but his skill should never be overlooked by those who want quality.

It was difficult for me to not choose Charles Paul Wilson III, however. I saw some flaws in his art that lead me to decide that Dan was the man but Charles is going to be serious competition and I think he's already eyeing the finish line. I'm with the others who wish we could rate each artist's work individually or have multiple votes because that blast on his last panel showed that he was perhaps a little bit more dynamic and clever than the other competitors. I couldn't give him my vote based on one panel but I was so close to doing so. It seems like he's the only one who realized that, since he was only doing three pages, he had a three page story, not three pages of a story. I'm just complimenting his placement and emphasis on the panel now so let me get into the panel itself: it was maginificent! That blast, that rage, those tears of anguish coming towards us! I wish I could give him an award just for the panel alone!

I'm still going to keep an open mind and eye towards all of the contestants. Knowing how this works there's a very good possibility that both of them will somehow get kicked out of the competition--and I will be FURIOUS if that happens--but no one is safe right now. However, I definitely know that I will be looking forward to seeing Charles and Dan's work in majork comics in the future along with many of the other competitors.

[rockpalace]

Simplest answer: he communicated the action the best. Most of the entries were confusing and cluttered. The action was explained well through a combination of perspective and wide shots.

I almost didn't vote for him because the nudity was so over-the-top gratuitous, but then I decided that to vote against boobs was to vote against life. So Pitarra took my vote.

[ScottDMSimmons]

There were many entries here that appealed to me in art style, yet as I looked through them all a few more times, I narrowed it down to four contestants whose entries I enjoyed, which included Charles Paul Wilson III, Jon Reed (man, reminds me abit of Tan Eng Huat's art, and that's good stuff), and Dan McDaid. Love their work here.

But I could only choose one, and loooking them all over, I thought Caio Oliveira did the best job this round. I liked the dynamics in his shots, the composition, and the detail. In one shot, Aspen's face looks a little odd, and if I were the writer, I'd ask for the missile panel to be redone. But everything else is great. Some Joe Kubert and Bart Sears influence here I believe?

Scott

[Patrick_McEvoy]

Jose was my favorite - I can't believe he's so far down in the voting. For my money he's by far the best at sheer drawing skill, and his line work is remarkable. Vote Jose - we need to see him in the next round!

[stinkbrown]

BADunn mentioned Dan's style, which I agree reminded me instantly of Hawiian Dick, and not in a rip off way, but more in the way that it makes me feel a cool breeze like I am in the scene. I think Dan's style would go greatly with many different projects. Also, do yourselves a favour and go to his website, his The Last-Minuters work is golddust! And shows he has variety of style. I'm not sure if their other work is supposed to influence the way you vote, or if you should go directly with what they present in this forum, but I think his ability is great.

I must also say that I have never heard of him before and have only found his website by clicking his link on this forum, and I am completely hooked.

Half of me wants him to get knocked out so I can pitch my main idea to him, of which I have completed scripts and another few years planned, so that we can take it to Image...but perhaps he is a little too good for that?

Come on Dan, bring home the votes!

[jpolacek]

I don't know if that would discourage ballot stuffing, but I like the idea just generally speaking.

This involves thinking about math and statistics (yuck!) but a ranked voting system evens things out. Let's take an extreme example: Say you have a bad artist that has a lot of friends, and a great artist that has no friends (probably because he lives like a hermit drawing all day). And then 8 other artists that are average. Well, the bad artist is going to be ranked high by his friends (10) and poor by others (1). The bad artist will average out to 5 or so. The great artist will be rated high by other artist's friends (8 or 9) and high by impartial people (10). The great artist will average out to 9 or so. So even though the great artist has no friends, he wins.

I'm not saying that anyone in here is a bad artist. The above is just an example I'm using to demonstate how this voting method makes it harder to stuff ballots. I'm also not even saying that ballot boxes are being stuffed here. The voting isn't done and of course you should encourage your friends to come and participate in voting. The more the merrier. Art is subjective, so no matter what there will be disagreements about the outcome. I just think ranked voting would get the best/most impartial results.

But, of course, if the current system is good enough for American Idol, I guess it should be good enough for Comic Book Idol too. Just making a suggestion. :) My apologies for doing math in this thread!

[Physicdesigns]

strictly as examining what you say, and not actually saying they should change it, i think your thinking is flawed.

In american idol the vast majority of the people have never seen any of these people before, millions of people vote so even if you have your whole small town on your back, that wont be a deciding factor.

In this case, even if the votes double knowing say 50 people if your average guarantees you a shot, and since people vote once, many peoples must pick who they want to not get eliminated, rather than who is best. this means someone who is good is going to lose a lot of votes. Take for example people who say hmmm this person shouldnt be in the bottom, ill vote for him, but they know that that person is far from the best.

That said, though i dont think its an optimal system in the early rounds, it is pretty exciting and somewhat humorous.

[shwa96]

Half of me wants him to get knocked out so I can pitch my main idea to him, of which I have completed scripts and another few years planned, so that we can take it to Image...but perhaps he is a little too good for that?

Dan won't be without work for long. I have that feeling.

[Dr Manolis Dooplove]

McDaid for me. He had the most distinctive style of the lot, keeping it consistent and away from general babe depictions and bad anatomy. Also a great eye for setting the panels, and creating dynamic movement and poses

second choice was Oliveira, very close, he was the only other one who managed to create dynamic panel settings and camera angles, and made interesting character designs

from the other contestants, i hated absolutely every entry... pity that there's not better quality of entries this year

[shwa96]

from the other contestants, i hated absolutely every entry... pity that there's not better quality of entries this year

I think that's a little harsh, and I've been one of the more critical posters.

While I grant that McDaid is the only guy that is really ready, there are some other talented artists in this bunch. Yes, they still need work, some more than others, but the talent is there.

Jose Holder is one step away. He's got the chops, and he's got a great sense of design; he just needs a good editor to make sure he keeps the big picture in mind.

Charles Paul Wilson has an interesting style and you can see he has an eye for composition within each panel, but he needs to work on his page layouts.

Warren Leonhardt (who sadly might not be with us for the next round) needs to work on his mechanics, but he's got the skills once he figures that out.

All three of those names are probably going to grace the covers of comics in the near future. While I can see you have taste (you picked out the best in the field, after all) don't $#!@ all over the rest of the guys just because they need a little work.

[kamgates]

Dan McDaid has been a favorite of mine since back in the submissions. I'm kind of amazed he wanders around kicking out the quality he does and hasn't just fallen into getting published by now.

HOWEVER he also looks like he'll advance safely...

Jose Holder on the other hand.. He shows a polished style, clear creative storytelling, and one of the best understandings of anatomy out of the whole bunch. There are some cool unique styles in the top 10, but opening with a story about an attractive naked girl has really brought out some wonky anatomy. Jose work is solid, it's stylish, (I wish he hadn't deviated quite as much from the script, but still..) and he's 3rd to last right now! That's just silly. He's got my vote.

[Physicdesigns]

yeah a lot of people dont have much idea of anatomy here, especially woman anatomy. and some of the faces are wtf. but yet the votes dont reflect that, so maybe it doesnt really matter after all

[Brandon Hanvey]

With 8 hours left to vote, here are the standings.

Caio Oliveira 75 12.14% (+3)
Nick Pitarra 72 11.65% (+2)
Dan McDaid 71 11.49% (+6)
Jon Reed 70 11.33% (0)
Charles Paul Wilson III 68 11.00%(+4)
Andrew Huerta 58 9.39% (+6)
Wilfredo Torres 57 9.22% (0)
Jose Holder 55 8.90% (+8)
Warren Leonhardt 50 8.09% (+4)
Daniel Lafrance 42 6.80%(0)

Voters: 618

At the halfway point of the poll, here is how things stand.

Caio Oliveira 73 12.44%
Nick Pitarra 71 12.10%
Jon Reed 70 11.93%
Dan McDaid 65 11.07%
Charles Paul Wilson III 64 10.90%
Wilfredo Torres 57 9.71%
Andrew Huerta 52 8.86%
Jose Holder 47 8.01%
Warren Leonhardt 46 7.84%
Daniel Lafrance 42 7.16%

Voters: 587


Caio Oliveira is still on top but Nick Pitarra, Dan McDaid, and Jon Reed are all very close.

Warren Leonhardt and Daniel Lafrance still are at the bottom with Lafrance not getting a single vote in the past 4 hours.

Don't count anyone out yet. Keep in mind anything can happen in 8 hours.

[Brandon Hanvey]

If someone is up at 8 AM EST (5 AM PST), could you please post the vote totals.

I have to sleep sometime.

[Jason Masters]

if I could figure out what 8 am EST translates to here I will

[Dan M]

I'm not one for gushing, but I wanted to say huge, man-size thanks to everyone who said nice things about my work. If the cost of taking you all out for beers wasn't prohibitive, I would absolutely do that. :)

Cheers,

D

[Dan M]

Woops. Sorry Mr. McDaid (and everyone else). I paid him too well.:eek:

Ha ha! Don't worry about it Warren, his candour and obvious excitement made me and the missus do big LOLs. :)

[warren_0]

Warren Leonhardt (who sadly might not be with us for the next round) needs to work on his mechanics, but he's got the skills once he figures that out.

Hey thanks for the nod. It just so happens that I signed up for a correspondence Pencilling course from Joe Kubert's World of Cartooning a week before I found out I was in the top 10! It arrived just before Round 1 kicked off.

That course plus these professional crits should help a ton. Just drawing bunny storyboards 8 hours a day for a flat-styled show (my day job (http://tv.disney.go.com/jetix/yinyangyo/index.html)) doesn't cut it in this arena, that's for sure. Homework to be done. Back to the board!

And Big Dan McD! Congrats on your last crit! WOOHOO!

[Jason Masters]

at almost 8 am EST here's what we got

Caio Oliveira 77 12.05% (+2)
Nick Pitarra 74 11.58% (+2)
Dan McDaid 75 11.74% (+4)
Jon Reed 71 11.11% (+1)
Charles Paul Wilson III 70 10.95%(+2)
Andrew Huerta 60 9.39% (+2)
Wilfredo Torres 60 9.39% (+2)
Jose Holder 57 8.92% (+2)
Warren Leonhardt 52 8.14% (+2)
Daniel Lafrance 43 6.73%(+1)

Voters: 639

[stvnhthr]

Something screwy is going on here. Some of the weaker examples are getting far too many votes for it to be anything but organized voting hijinks.

[the goddamn batman]

The Standings as of 8 AM EST (5 AM PST)

Caio Oliveira 77 11.99% (+2)
Dan McDaid 76 11.84% (+5)
Nick Pitarra 74 11.53% (+2)
Jon Reed 71 11.06% (+1)
Charles Paul Wilson III 70 10.90% (+2)
Andrew Huerta 60 9.35% (+2)
Wilfredo Torres 60 9.35% (+3)
Jose Holder 58 9.03% (+3)
Warren Leonhardt 52 8.10% (+2)
Daniel Lafrance 44 6.85% (+2)

Voters: 642

Caio, Dan and Nick are still the top three. Caio and Dan are only one vote apart, with Nick only two votes behind Dan.

Warren Leonhardt and Daniel Lafrance still are at the bottom but Lafrance got some votes in the last four hours.

I'm wicked tired right now... hope I didn't make any mistakes.

With 8 hours left to vote, here are the standings.

Caio Oliveira 75 12.14% (+3)
Nick Pitarra 72 11.65% (+2)
Dan McDaid 71 11.49% (+6)
Jon Reed 70 11.33% (0)
Charles Paul Wilson III 68 11.00%(+4)
Andrew Huerta 58 9.39% (+6)
Wilfredo Torres 57 9.22% (0)
Jose Holder 55 8.90% (+8)
Warren Leonhardt 50 8.09% (+4)
Daniel Lafrance 42 6.80%(0)

Voters: 618



Caio Oliveira is still on top but Nick Pitarra, Dan McDaid, and Jon Reed are all very close.

Warren Leonhardt and Daniel Lafrance still are at the bottom with Lafrance not getting a single vote in the past 4 hours.

Don't count anyone out yet. Keep in mind anything can happen in 8 hours.

[the goddamn batman]

Something screwy is going on here. Some of the weaker examples are getting far too many votes for it to be anything but organized voting hijinks.


Or people like them even if they aren't the strongest entries. Or they got all their friends to vote for them. Or something fishy is going on.

Don't worry, the people running the show are capable of figuring out what's up... if anything fishy is indeed, 'up'.

Personally, I think Ciao, Dan and Nick did great work. Though, I think Daniel and Warren did too, so... there's no accounting for taste.:rolleyes:

Also? Let's not accuse people of rigging anything jsut because you don't like the way the votes are going.

[cg_maniac]

Personally, I think Ciao, Dan and Nick did great work. Though, I think Daniel and Warren did too, so... there's no accounting for taste.

I find it kind of funny that Jose is in the bottom three, yet Marc Silvestri wouldn’t mind having him in the studio.

Maybe comic fans are overdosed on this style of work and want something different?

- nah, the whole voting process is freakin' rigged!!!

(I still like that style though)

[joh james]

Me, too. ;)

[the goddamn batman]

Damn... 8 votes since I posted the totals... but I'm going to bed now.

I find it kind of funny that Jose is in the bottom three, yet Marc Silvestri wouldn’t mind having him in the studio.

Maybe comic fans are overdosed on this style of work and want something different?

- nah, the whole voting process is freakin' rigged!!!

(I still like that style though)

Yeah, who knows. I'm a bit surprised Warren and Daniel are so far down... :( but two people have to go out every round.

I dunno though, I think Nick's style is great but I don't think his pages were as strong as they could have been. But he's still up there. Which is good, I'm eager to see what he's got next round. I'm eager myself to see if the next script is more up my alley and I can play at home. I'm all clear of work next week and should be able to do something. *prepares for the harsh crits I gave otu to come back to me*:D

[the goddamn batman]

Me, too. ;)

Me too. I dig your stuff. Kinda got that Charest influence in there, yeah? I like it.

[Jack Flash]

I had three faves this round (Nick, Jose and Charles) and voted for the one I felt was most vulnerable. I really hope all three make it to the next round. I also dug Dan McDaid's the more I check it out. Those are definitely my top 4 from this round. I hate that 2 have to go each round! That's brutal!

[joh james]

Me too. I dig your stuff. Kinda got that Charest influence in there, yeah? I like it.

Certainly, along with Neal Adams, Gil Kane, Alex Raymond, BWS, Al Williamson, Mark Shultz, Frank Frazetta, Lee Weeks, Doug Braitwaite....:p

[the goddamn batman]

Certainly, along with Neal Adams, Gil Kane, Alex Raymond, BWS, Al Williamson, Mark Shultz, Frank Frazetta, Lee Weeks, Doug Braitwaite....:p


Ha! Yeah, I jsut see the Charest in the crosshatching, panel designs and sometimes in the figure work... rather, in the angles chosen for the figures. That's certainly a compliment, Charest is one of the biggest bad asses in comics. Now if only he were faster.

I've got a LOT of infleunces, but there's a few that shine through more than most of them.:rolleyes:

[Chris Ring]

I voted for Jose, I thought his stuff was easily the best. I'll let his editor worry about him going off script ;)

Also Dan looks ready too, wouldn't mind seeing a Hellboy story from him :evilsmile

Good Luck to all the contestants and thanks for the show!

www.chrisringart.com
www.t5design.com
www.93cobra.deviantart.com

[Justice41]

Me, too. ;)

Jose man spill it, what style's influence you? I see a bit of Fernando Fernandez and Sergio Toppi in there as well as others including Adam Hughes and Travis Charest. Good luck man.

[Pól Rua]

I was really divided between Dan McDaid's very classic style and Jose Holder's 70's action strip reminiscent style.
I ended up voting for Dan, but I can't just leave it at that without having a spray about how much I love Jose's work. It reminds me of some of the old Warren Publishing guys, and some of the Philipino and South American guys who showed up and produced such astounding work during the 70's.

[joh james]

Jose man spill it, what style's influence you? I see a bit of Fernando Fernandez and Sergio Toppi in there as well as others including Adam Hughes and Travis Charest. Good luck man.

Toppi for sure. I forgot to mention Mobius. Sweet Christmas! Imagine forgetting his name on the list. Seriously, all the guys I mentioned earlier plus the cool trailblazers from my generation(Lee, Silvestri, Art Adams, Sprouse, Charest, Jae, you name it.) I must admit the guys I study for textures(water, fire, rust, metal, etc are all old school. I guess that makes me ol' school.:(

[Chris Daley]

Jose got my vote. Of the 6 contestants whose work spoke to me most clearly, he was the one who was (very suprisingly) in the most danger of being eliminated. Of course, as I wrote elsewhere, I'm not eager to see any of the contestants get disqualified. I think they all bring something great to the competition.

I really hope that the two who aren't passed on to the next round find the time and energy to play on the play at home thread. J and Brandon have worked really hard to make sure that there is a place for everyone to showcase their work. While I know it's hard to do without the possibility of a pay-off, the judges all see talent in these top 10 so its certainly a good investment of time for them to generate new work and get it in front of a bunch of eyeballs.

Also, just a quick shout out to the judges this contest. I think they've all hit the right mix of critique and encouragement. The three editors have been great about given the contestants some helpful insights into the marketplace and while Mark hasn't been able to post all of his critiques yet it's great to see him giving the artists some very practical tips on improving their work. Great job all around, guys.

Best,

Chris

[kalorama]

Something screwy is going on here. Some of the weaker examples are getting far too many votes for it to be anything but organized voting hijinks.

Or it could just be a difference of opinion as th what constitutes a "weaker example."

[Nick Pitarra]

I almost didn't vote for him because the nudity was so over-the-top gratuitous, but then I decided that to vote against boobs was to vote against life. So Pitarra took my vote.

LMAO, thanks for the vote!

~nick

[Slaughter]

I stood in doubt between Caio and Mcdaid. Both are very good and I really like both's style, but mine's going to Caio Oliveira.

[cg_maniac]

Only one hour left?

also, isn't the new assignment going to be posted today?

Hopefully, I can work on this next one.

My Site (http://www.jimthorpe-art.com)

[Doug Strange]

We are already finding "irregularities" and, yes, I'll come out and say it, cheaters.
I hope the cheaters will be disqualified in lieu of eliminating those at the bottom. An accurate vote total will be nice to know, but even if it's accurate, I would hate to see the cheaters rewarded by moving them on in place of people doing honest work. Why would you want someone unethical getting paid gigs in the industry? They'll only screw someone else over someday.

[Justice41]

He may have meant the people using multiple ID's are cheating and not necessarily the artists.

[Doug Strange]

Hope that's the case.

[Physicdesigns]

i dont think he means contestants cheating i think he means their fans cheating, im guessing they will eliminate all suspect votes then tabulate the results

[J. Torres]

i dont think he means contestants cheating i think he means their fans cheating, im guessing they will eliminate all suspect votes then tabulate the results

That is correct.


Only one hour left?

also, isn't the new assignment going to be posted today?


Yes, once the poll closes, the results will be "tabulated" (some might call it a "recount"), then we'll publish the official numbers, and shortly thereafter I will blog about it all, including the second assignment.

The blog for the most part is actually already written, I just need to plug in (and re-write) certain parts based on how the voting goes ;)

I'm aiming for 1 PM (EST), but it depends on how long it takes to sort out the dangling chads...

[THOR_MARTELAO]

ME voting for caio! he is the best of course.


SIGNED: THOR_MARTELAO

[ScottDMSimmons]

Best of luck to all the contestants. Hope to see you guys doing some work soon. If you happen to be one of the two dropped this round, remember you were in the top ten and people and editors have responded to you work in positive ways. Doors have been opened.

Scott

[Victor Rolf]

" 10 minutos pato!"

10 min!!!

[fagambit_mbb]

Go Caio, Go!!!

[mattx110]

i voted for dan because it seems like anyone who would make those pages has to be a nice person. but 10 people is too much to keep track of for my head and i don't think anybody did a bad job, which makes it harder.

[Brandon Hanvey]

The Poll is closed.


CBI organizers will be checking suspect votes and subtracting them. The official standings and who wins and is eliminated this round will be posted soon.

[fagambit_mbb]

Yes, the better win!!!

[Marukesu]

Finish? End?

[escapegoat]

A hard choice, but I voted for Jose Holder...he definitely deserves to get into the next round.

....and I noticed that one of the contestants already had 7 Banned voters on his list....they kinda stood out..so someone's gonna have 7 less votes once everything's tallied up.

[THOR_MARTELAO]

If Maquerades Heroes Is The Best Caio Is The Best Too With No More To Concur With Hin
Me Vote The Right Choise

Signed: Thor_martelao

[HÊÚL.]

http://http://patterico.com/images/Wilson.jpg
SUUUUCK WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[THOR_MARTELAO]

even antimonitor knows that caio is the best olgol roi ual

signed: thor_martelao

[arvin_Homessa]

CBI organizers will be checking suspect votes and subtracting them. The official standings and who wins and is eliminated this round will be posted soon.

Now wait a minute, brandon my good man... What kinda of talk is this?

suspect votes?:confused:

subtracting them?:confused:

By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, I Hope the results end up fair.:evilangry

p.s.Congratulations caio.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Now wait a minute, brandon my good man... What kinda of talk is this?

suspect votes?:confused:

subtracting them?:confused:



We found some instances of people using multiple accounts to vote. Their votes will be subtracted from the total and their accounts banned.

[THOR_MARTELAO]

Seriously. I think instances or suspects are not real proof to subtract any vote.

signed: thor_martelao

[Brandon Hanvey]

http://http://patterico.com/images/Wilson.jpg
SUUUUCK WILSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please refrain posting such remarks about contestants.


Keep it civil people or you don't get to stay.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Seriously. I think instances or suspects are not real proof to subtract any vote.

signed: thor_martelao

We have ways of telling if someone is using multiple accounts.

[THOR_MARTELAO]

Ok Brandonnnnn, sorry for the inconvenience my dear friend. :)
I think its better to get those cheaters banned... i will say to them "ASK TO GET AWAY! ASK TO GET AWAY!!!!" they are Mr. fanfarroes...

signed: THOR_MARTELAO

[J. Torres]

In most cases, it's not just "suspicion" but rather obvious evidence of people voting more than once.

We've done this before and try to be as thorough and fair as possible in every season and every round.

Please respect that as well as our decision as poll judges to be final and official.

Thank you.

[Patchanka]

Brandon and J. Torres, round 1 is closed and we don't have yet Silvestri's comments about Caio's, Wilfredo's and Andrew's works.

For the others, he made some interesting comments that can help their next assignment. I think that could help them, and it can be an unfair advantage. Is it possible to not publish the script for round 2 until he can make his comments?

Thanks,
Alex

[BiG69]

Call the police Warren,...you were robbed, dude! I would've liked to see you move to the next round at least but, c'est la vie. Jose, if you keep drawing the next few assignments with the same energy and style, you'll get my vote. This boy's got magic in his fingers. Congratulations to the contestants, you're all winners for trying. Good job guys!!!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Brandon and J. Torres, round 1 is closed and we don't have yet Silvestri's comments about Caio's, Wilfredo's and Andrew's works.


I bet Marc is a little busy. But we hope to have him finish his reviews of the Round 1 assignments soon.

[Brandon Hanvey]

The final results.

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/cbi-round-1-final-results/

[luv2pencil]

It's certainly nice to know that you guys pretty much leave no stone unturned to preserve the integrity of this contest. It would really suck to see someone win this who did not earn it. The more I learn about it the better it gets. J. Torres, Brandon, judges and all of you guys behind the scenes deserve a round of applause for your efforts. Cheers!

[Brandon Hanvey]

It's certainly nice to know that you guys pretty much leave no stone unturned to preserve the integrity of this contest. It would really suck to see someone win this who did not earn it. The more I learn about it the better it gets. J. Torres, Brandon, judges and all of you guys behind the scenes deserve a round of applause for your efforts. Cheers!

Thanks.

I had to miss a WoW raid to check the voting last night. But from what I heard from my guildmates, I actually missed a huge wipefest.

[Patchanka]

I bet Marc is a little busy. But we hope to have him finish his reviews of the Round 1 assignments soon.

OK, thank you. And congratulations for the great work!

[Botafogo]

Congratulations to everyone.

[Mateus]

Congratulations Caio!!! Well deserved!

I'm kind of sad and surprised by the lousy voting Lafrance got! I thought he would be top 3 at least... anyway, at least Caio got there on top!

I also think it's kind of unfair the judges posting their comments with such delay from one competitor to the other, maybe they should only post when they got them all, so they would equally influence the voting on all the candidates. And what Patchanka said is also true, only some got the learnings from mr. Silvestri to use on next round, which is really unfair.

[joh james]

Thanks everyone for keeping me in the fray and for supporting all the artists in the competition. It's certainly not for the weak-hearted. The judges and moderators did a great job keeping everyone civil and all of us informed. Kudos and a round of applause for our fallen(and soon to be snapped up) comrades-in-lead!

[J. Torres]

As much as I'd like to wait for Marc's comments, holding off posting the assignment takes time away from the contestants. Plus, if we don't move on, it causes a domino effect and everything gets pushed back later and later. From our experiences with the last two CBIs, I think it's better to apply the "show must go on" maxim here...

Thank you for understanding.

[davidbovey]

I also think it's kind of unfair the judges posting their comments with such delay from one competitor to the other, maybe they should only post when they got them all, so they would equally influence the voting on all the candidates. And what Patchanka said is also true, only some got the learnings from mr. Silvestri to use on next round, which is really unfair.

I kind of agree, but at the same time there is no way of really telling how much people were swayed by the judges comments. I think those comments are more for the people turning in their assignments than to sway votes.

[Patchanka]

Thanks everyone for keeping me in the fray and for supporting all the artists in the competition. It's certainly not for the weak-hearted. The judges and moderators did a great job keeping everyone civil and all of us informed. Kudos and a round of applause for our fallen(and soon to be snapped up) comrades-in-lead!

They really deserve it. Warren and Daniel's works were superb, IMHO they deserved better. But two of them had to be kicked out, so that's it. I'm really sorry for them. Congratulation, guys!

As much as I'd like to wait for Marc's comments, holding off posting the assignment takes time away from the contestants. Plus, if we don't move on, it causes a domino effect and everything gets pushed back later and later. From our experiences with the last two CBIs, I think it's better to apply the "show must go on" maxim here...

Do you have some kind of deadline for the final results, J?

[R Santos Jr]

Let that be a lesson to everyone...

NEVER draw Aspen in a towel.
Good luck Dan and Warren. Hope to see more from both of you guys real soon!

[THOR_MARTELAO]

Congratulions Caio Is The Best

The Cry Is Free

Signed: Thor_martelao

[Caio Oliveira]

I don't know how to thank you all. I'll never thank you all enough.

[Mateus]

As much as I'd like to wait for Marc's comments, holding off posting the assignment takes time away from the contestants. Plus, if we don't move on, it causes a domino effect and everything gets pushed back later and later. From our experiences with the last two CBIs, I think it's better to apply the "show must go on" maxim here...

Thank you for understanding.
But like i said wouldn't it be more fair if the judges posted all their comments at the same time? Marc would keep his notes on all contestants until he had comments ready for all of them, so there wouldn't be such big problem.

[shwa96]

But like i said wouldn't it be more fair if the judges posted all their comments at the same time? Marc would keep his notes on all contestants until he had comments ready for all of them, so there wouldn't be such big problem.

If the judges' comments really had that much of an effect, the vote totals wouldn't have come out the way they did. The people pick their own favorites.

[R Santos Jr]

But like i said wouldn't it be more fair if the judges posted all their comments at the same time? Marc would keep his notes on all contestants until he had comments ready for all of them, so there wouldn't be such big problem.
I think everybody is doing their best to keep this machine rolling as best as they can, as fairly as possible. As great as it is to have Marc comment on all the entries, I think it's a much greater service to all involved to focus more on keeping this contest on schedule.

We've still got time to read Marc's comments while we wait for the Round 2 artwork to roll in in the next few days... but first the show definitely must go on...

[Innukchuck]

Go, Caio, Go! :)

[BigJ_MBB]

Congratulations, Caio! :D

[joelcook]

congrats Caio

[Goyo]

Caio Oliveira, yours is the best work.

[joh james]

Congrats, Caio. You left us all in the dust! Great work, brother!

[MAGUS MBB]

Caio Oliveira, yours is the best work.

Caio is remarkable. of the first waters!

[reynardin]

I certainly hope that this public vote isn't the only way a contestant is judged to determine if they move on. I can't believe Warren deserves to be at the back of the pack. I hope this doesn't turn into a popularity contest instead of judging on merit. That's just my opinion.

I agree, whole-heartedly! I want to see what he comes up with for the next assignments - this contest could benefit from a Leonhardt point of view...

[J. Torres]

If the judges' comments really had that much of an effect, the vote totals wouldn't have come out the way they did. The people pick their own favorites.

The judges aren't really there to sway the voters one way or another. First and foremost, it's about giving the artists an opportunity to have their work critiqued by professionals without having to set foot outside their house. As far as I know, this is an experience unique to CBI. Second, the judges are there for "color commentary" and to bring in some celebrities and personalities from our industry the way TV talent shows do the same for the worlds of music, dance, etc.


But like i said wouldn't it be more fair if the judges posted all their comments at the same time? Marc would keep his notes on all contestants until he had comments ready for all of them, so there wouldn't be such big problem.

This has been suggested to the judges (working offline, posting at once, etc.) but in the end we have to leave it up to them. So far, everyone's chosen to post while online and do so one at a time as their schedule allows. They know the CBI schedule and other parameters for judging, so please understand that they're volunteering their time and expertise here, and like the rest of us behind-the-scenes, they're doing the best they can.


I don't know how to thank you all. I'll never thank you all enough.

Well, money always works.

[shwa96]

The judges aren't really there to sway the voters one way or another. First and foremost, it's about giving the artists an opportunity to have their work critiqued by professionals without having to set foot outside their house. As far as I know, this is an experience unique to CBI. Second, the judges are there for "color commentary" and to bring in some celebrities and personalities from our industry the way TV talent shows do the same for the worlds of music, dance, etc.

I know. That's essentially what I was trying to say to Mateus. Just not in so many words.

And the proof, as they say, is in the pudding. Look at Jose's vote total compared to his comments.

[DidCart]

Congratulations, Caio!!
You did well at this round!
Continue drawing like that and you'll win the Comic Book Idol.

[Patrick_McEvoy]

My entire day depended on whether Jose made it to the next round. I have now officially been sucked into the contest. Damn you CBI!!

[joh james]

That means a lot, Pat. I'll do you proud. Ciao, bro.

[polystyleneman]

Wow! Jose almost didn't make it! I think if he follows the script next time he could be unstoppable. I have a feeling his large deviations from the script kept a lot of folks from voting his way. I know it at least affected my vote, even though I genuinely preferred other people's styles. But I wouldn't be surprised if he does well enough next time to get my vote!

[Brandon Hanvey]

The Round 1 graph

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/cbir1graph.gif

[TuPeT]

I told you guys, caio had the best art in this round. Therefore won beautifully. Great job man!

[J. Torres]

Nice work, BH! I like this graph style even better than last season!

[warren_0]

Also, just a quick shout out to the judges this contest. I think they've all hit the right mix of critique and encouragement. The three editors have been great about given the contestants some helpful insights into the marketplace and while Mark hasn't been able to post all of his critiques yet it's great to see him giving the artists some very practical tips on improving their work. Great job all around, guys.

I absolutely, 100% percent agree. CONGRATULATIONS YOU GUYS WHO MADE IT THROUGH!! SOLDIER ON!! I'll be voting next round too!

See you in the PLay At Home!

[Brandon Hanvey]

Nice work, BH! I like this graph style even better than last season!

I switched programs. I used Illustrator to create this one. It gives me more control over the colors and the thickness of the lines.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Things I noticed from the graph.

Most of the contestants got most of their votes by 12 AM, then slowed down from 12 AM to 8 AM and then picked up some more from 8 AM to 12 PM. This would make sense since the two surge times are more "prime time" for the U.S. time zones.

Dan McDaid, who is from London, England, got a slight boost during the U.S. "deadtime" which may be due to England being about 5 ahead of the U.S.

Caio Oliveira kept a small lead throughout the poll but had a huge surge from 8 AM to 12 PM with about 40 votes.

Charles Wilson had two surges. One from 8 PM to 12 AM with about 30 votes and one from 8 AM to 12 PM with about 40 votes.

Daniel Lafrance got most of his votes by 12 AM and then only a few votes afterward.

Wlfredo Torres had a good surge from 8 PM to 12 Am with about 30 votes that helped him get out of last to middle of the pack.

Jon Reed seemed to have a strong surge from 4 PM to 12 AM, but then got very few votes afterward.

[Patrick_McEvoy]

That means a lot, Pat. I'll do you proud. Ciao, bro.

I'm sure you will - I can't wait to see what you come up with next!

[Doug Strange]

The final results.

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/cbi-round-1-final-results/
That's interesting. How did Oliveira wind up with 118, when on this poll he only has 105? I can see how votes would be subtracted for cheating, but how did he wind up with 13 more votes? I apologize if this has been explained elsewhere.

And, just to be clear, I'm sure it's nothing fraudulent, I just didn't get it.

[Brandon Hanvey]

That's interesting. How did Oliveira wind up with 118, when on this poll he only has 105? I can see how votes would be subtracted for cheating, but how did he wind up with 13 more votes? I apologize if this has been explained elsewhere.

And, just to be clear, I'm sure it's nothing fraudulent, I just didn't get it.

There will be an announcement about this issue Wednesday morning.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Official announcement of Round 1 Recount.

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-1-recount/

[davidbovey]

Official announcement of Round 1 Recount.

http://cbi.comicbookresources.com/cbi3/round-1-recount/

Glad it all worked itself out.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Since I'm the one who started this whole issue, I'll try to explain how it happened.

Late last week, I was surfing the web looking for people talking about CBI. I wasn't really looking for people talking about ballot stuffing or cheating. I was looking to see what people thought of the contest.

In one of my searches, I found a link to a comic message board that is in Portuguese. Since I don't speak the language myself, I had google translate the page.

The thread was actually started by Caio talking about the contest and asking for support. This is nothing really strange since I've found other message board posts elsewhere about the contest and about supporting other contestants. But as I read posts that dated during the Round 1 vote, I noticed some people saying they voted for Caio multiple times and even talk of how to vote multiple times without being found out.

Seeing that this was a matter that could possibly change the outcome of the winner of Round 1, I alerted J. and Jonah to the matter. J. would later have a friend who speaks Portuguese translate Caio posts to make sure he didn't do any wrong doing directly which was confirmed by the translator.

After discussing what to do about the issue, we contacted Caio and ask him to explain what was going on. Caio later offered to take himself out of the contest, but we thought that would be too harsh. We instead took away votes that we thought were fraudulent and awarded Charles Wilson the Aspen prize.

Let me just say that this wasn't a "witch hunt" because Caio won Round 1. It is only because I found people talking about voting multiple times and instructing others how to do so. Organized voting and supporting a contestant is okay. If you can get 1000 of your friends to come to CBR and vote for you, we are fine with that. The CBI staff just wants them to actually 1000 friends, and will do everything we can to make sure they are 1000 individuals.

[J. Torres]

Allow me to add to what Brandon wrote by saying that this investigation, and the ensuing debate on what to do, and the ultimate decisions we made took place over the course of three days, hours of talks between the parties involved, countless e-mails exchanged, and a LOT of thought and consideration for all those involved (including Caio, his fans, the judges, the contestants, you guys, etc.).

We did (and will continue to do) what we think is fair and right.

And have new worry lines and white hair to prove it...

[Brandon Hanvey]

I forgot to add that I did search other message boards, blogs, etc. for multi-voting discussion in favor of other contestants.

So far, this is the only instance I've found. There are other message boards that support other contestants, but no talk of multi-voting.

[joelcook]

Since I'm the one who started this whole issue, I'll try to explain how it happened.

Late last week, I was surfing the web looking for people talking about CBI. I wasn't really looking for people talking about ballot stuffing or cheating. I was looking to see what people thought of the contest.

In one of my searches, I found a link to a comic message board that is in Portuguese. Since I don't speak the language myself, I had google translate the page.

The thread was actually started by Caio talking about the contest and asking for support. This is nothing really strange since I've found other message board posts elsewhere about the contest and about supporting other contestants. But as I read posts that dated during the Round 1 vote, I noticed some people saying they voted for Caio multiple times and even talk of how to vote multiple times without being found out.

Seeing that this was a matter that could possibly change the outcome of the winner of Round 1, I alerted J. and Jonah to the matter. J. would later have a friend who speaks Portuguese translate Caio posts to make sure he didn't do any wrong doing directly which was confirmed by the translator.

After discussing what to do about the issue, we contacted Caio and ask him to explain what was going on. Caio later offered to take himself out of the contest, but we thought that would be too harsh. We instead took away votes that we thought were fraudulent and awarded Charles Wilson the Aspen prize.

Let me just say that this wasn't a "witch hunt" because Caio won Round 1. It is only because I found people talking about voting multiple times and instructing others how to do so. Organized voting and supporting a contestant is okay. If you can get 1000 of your friends to come to CBR and vote for you, we are fine with that. The CBI staff just wants them to actually 1000 friends, and will do everything we can to make sure they are 1000 individuals.

I personally have gotten TONS of emails in months and years past, asking people to vote last minute for them, to keep them on whatever art contest is going on.

If Caio has a whole country voting for him, how is it different from Yao Ming getting China's fan voting for the all-star game every year (even when he is hurt)?

maybe in the future do what the professional sports teams do (although I DO SUPPORT the "ranking system")... have the professional judges votes count for a high percent, the people at CBR count for an certain percent... and the fan voting count for a lower percent... that way you can kind of curb the multiple voting stuff..

for those of you multiple voting, shame on you.. I firmly believe that the cream will rise to the top.

I personally, like Caio's stuff a lot (and did vote for him)... but me, like a lot of others want the winner to win... the honest way...

I am personally hoping there is no negative backlash towards him this round, and people vote for who they believe did the best job.

[Brandon Hanvey]

Furthermore, we will continue to look into suspicious votes. We try to make this contest as level as we can.

We understand that families, co-workers and friends want to help their favorite win. We are fine with that. We just want to make sure that everyone has a fair chance at winning.

[Brandon Hanvey]

I've seen some talk about how we choose to deduct votes.

Some people openly admitted that they multi-voted and even said the account names. Others gave instructions on how to avoid detection while multi-voting.

We found five individuals that we felt had cast suspect votes and in two cases more than once. So for each individual, we subtracted two votes (one for their "main" account and another for the second account) In the two cases of several votes we deducted 4 (1 + 3) votes and 3 (1 +2) votes. Which adds up to 13 votes.

[J. Torres]

We take this very seriously and don't just deduct votes on "suspicion," we check things out, and sometimes people make it easy for us.

And no, that's not a freakin' challenge!

In the immortal words of Mr. Terrific: PLAY FAIR.

:D

Now, let's close this chapter (and thread) and move on, shall we?