I was nearly murdered at work today!

[Dazzler]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz

[Sally Sensational]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz

OMG!

Um, yay that you and PBM get to work together again! IIRC, she said that the new school was a better place to work anyway.

However, I have just one question:

HOW IN ALL THAT'S HOLY ARE YOU CALM ENOUGH TO BE POSTING?

I would be alternating between blithering like an idiot and pouring something very strong down my throat. Of course, it would all end in just the blithering part once I drank enough.

[Michael P]

Cheap shot: What were you doing working at Rick Olney's place?

Not-as-cheap-shot: I'll never complain about temping in publishing again.

Serious: That sucks. Sorry you went through it, glad you're not dead!

[Aggie]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz

You are truly brave my friend.

[BnL]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz


Oh my god, that's horrible!


....


Details!!

[Dazzler]

OMG!

Um, yay that you and PBM get to work together again! IIRC, she said that the new school was a better place to work anyway.

However, I have just one question:

HOW IN ALL THAT'S HOLY ARE YOU CALM ENOUGH TO BE POSTING?

I would be alternating between blithering like an idiot and pouring something very strong down my throat. Of course, it would all end in just the blithering part once I drank enough.

Well, first, the calmness part: I'm actually not. I did go to a co-workers house to relax and get a little drunk. I'm actually freaking out inside. And knowing I'm going to a better place that's not Heaven is certainly a good calming agent. In all honesty, it was the freakiest thing that's ever happened to me in my life and I'm not entirely sure that tomorrow morning I won't be completely unable to get myself out of bed and to work!

And the PBM workpace situation: she's told me nothing but good things and I went and visited the school, but was hesistant to leave familiar surroundings. This incident today was all I needed to know that I wanted OUT of my current job. And fast. At least at the new place, I'm sure there'd be more support than just, "You should expect these things." Uh, no. I don't expect to be chased with a butcher knife, EVER.

I'm really pleased to be switching up! :)

--Dazz

[Aggie]

Well, first, the calmness part: I'm actually not. I did go to a co-workers house to relax and get a little drunk. I'm actually freaking out inside. And knowing I'm going to a better place that's not Heaven is certainly a good calming agent. In all honesty, it was the freakiest thing that's ever happened to me in my life and I'm not entirely sure that tomorrow morning I won't be completely unable to get myself out of bed and to work!

And the PBM workpace situation: she's told me nothing but good things and I went and visited the school, but was hesistant to leave familiar surroundings. This incident today was all I needed to know that I wanted OUT of my current job. And fast. At least at the new place, I'm sure there'd be more support than just, "You should expect these things." Uh, no. I don't expect to be chased with a butcher knife, EVER.

I'm really pleased to be switching up! :)

--Dazz

well here's to a better and safer working environment...:)

[BnL]

"You should expect these things."

Wow. Where the fuck did you work, in a prison? Though I'm not sure you should expect being chased with a butcher's knife even THERE. Maybe they only said that as some kind of pre-emptive damage control in case of a lawsuit.

[Eliseu Gouveia]

Was this person arrested, at least?

[beetlebum]

I'm sorry this happened Dazz. The worst that has happened to me at my job is being nearly run over, and getting harassed by a drunk guy at a Tom Petty concert. But Max was right when she called you a hero. Because only a hero would endure, and willingly work at a place where they may be exposed to this type of thing. :)

[shrike]

Was this person arrested, at least?

Typically, no.

Dazz here is something you might want to read:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21292612/

Its nice to know... YOU ARE #1!

NUMBER 1!

NUMBER 1!

NUMBER 1!

:p

[rick]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).



Don't misunderstand me, because I really am glad that you are okay and weren't hurt.

But the mental image the whole scene conjures up is still really, really, funny.

[sk716]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz

Holy shit!!!

I'm a little confused though, where'd he get the butcher knife in a school?

[Dazzler]

Cheap shot: What were you doing working at Rick Olney's place?

Not-as-cheap-shot: I'll never complain about temping in publishing again.

Serious: That sucks. Sorry you went through it, glad you're not dead!

Thanks! :) And trust me, I'm really happy I'm not dead too. That was not what I was expecting when I got up this morning...

You are truly brave my friend.
Not really...I AM running away like a scaredy cat. And glad of it! Sadly, I've sort of reached my limit and I'm just a wee bit burned out.

Oh my god, that's horrible!


....


Details!!
Leave it to you to want the dish after my horrible experience. ;) That's what I love about ya!
Well, it went down kinda fast. This student "found" (although, we still don't know how or where, although he claims he found it the bushes.) a 10 inch butcher knife and began waving it around and telling people he was going to kill them. He then started to chase people with the knife, laughing like something out of a horror movie. When someone (so very NOT me) tried to take the knife from him, he tried to stab the person and began shouting DIE BITCH DIE over and over. The police were called about this point. Then myself and a few others began to block other students and try to get them out of the way but this guy was running around the school, trying to stab on the go screaming at the top of his lungs. Eventually when all the kids were as safe as possible, several of us tried to corral the guy until the cops showed, which was sort of a running battle, because he was trying to cut us all. We eventually got him in a little area shut off with chain link fence and tied a rope around the handle to keep him in there, but he used the knife to cut through the rope and got loose. The only reason he lost the knife was because he threw it at a worker and missed. That's about when the situation kinda mellowed and we subdued the student.

--Dazz

[Tad Sivana]

No one should have to dodge psycho killers at school.
Even a school where you're giving your students instruction in how to use Butcher Knives.

[Paul McEnery]

Thanks! :) And trust me, I'm really happy I'm not dead too. That was not what I was expecting when I got up this morning...


Not really...I AM running away like a scaredy cat. And glad of it! Sadly, I've sort of reached my limit and I'm just a wee bit burned out.


Leave it to you to want the dish after my horrible experience. ;) That's what I love about ya!
Well, it went down kinda fast. This student "found" (although, we still don't know how or where, although he claims he found it the bushes.) a 10 inch butcher knife and began waving it around and telling people he was going to kill them. He then started to chase people with the knife, laughing like something out of a horror movie. When someone (so very NOT me) tried to take the knife from him, he tried to stab the person and began shouting DIE BITCH DIE over and over. The police were called about this point. Then myself and a few others began to block other students and try to get them out of the way but this guy was running around the school, trying to stab on the go screaming at the top of his lungs. Eventually when all the kids were as safe as possible, several of us tried to corral the guy until the cops showed, which was sort of a running battle, because he was trying to cut us all. We eventually got him in a little area shut off with chain link fence and tied a rope around the handle to keep him in there, but he used the knife to cut through the rope and got loose. The only reason he lost the knife was because he threw it at a worker and missed. That's about when the situation kinda mellowed and we subdued the student.

--Dazz

I, for one, am curious as to what "subdued" means in this situation. :D

Which school you at, Dazz?

[shrike]

Dazz, I spent YEARS with MR/DD individuals who had behavioral issues...

VERY tough, VERY demanding with little to no reward.

Both you are Ms. Max have my respect!

[Dazzler]

Wow. Where the fuck did you work, in a prison? Though I'm not sure you should expect being chased with a butcher's knife even THERE. Maybe they only said that as some kind of pre-emptive damage control in case of a lawsuit.

Well I work in a special ed school for children with all sorts of problems, but the underlying theme is "Behavioral disabilities". I think trying to kill everyone counts.
There are several workers at the school who were directly involved who are very displeased with the laissez faire attitude taken by the administration. Our point is that, special ed or no, this is not appropriate behavior to overlook. They expect us to not make a fuss about it because of the type of work we do everyday. I, and others, happen to think it's outside the norm of our typical working environment. I mean, the admin has a big lock they can use to lock themselves into their office...we're right there being stabbed at.
Fucked up.

Was this person arrested, at least?
No. As a special needs student, he can't simply be arrested for bad behavior because he's in a facility that's agreed to meet his needs (our school). To be arrested, someone has to file individual charges against him, which is what the inital person who was being attacked is going to do.

--Dazz

[shrike]

. To be arrested, someone has to file individual charges against him, which is what the inital person who was being attacked is going to do.

--Dazz

Yeah, and (at least here in OH) it would never really go anywhere, sometimes even if they killed someone.

[heystacy]

Thanks! :) And trust me, I'm really happy I'm not dead too. That was not what I was expecting when I got up this morning...


Not really...I AM running away like a scaredy cat. And glad of it! Sadly, I've sort of reached my limit and I'm just a wee bit burned out.


Leave it to you to want the dish after my horrible experience. ;) That's what I love about ya!
Well, it went down kinda fast. This student "found" (although, we still don't know how or where, although he claims he found it the bushes.) a 10 inch butcher knife and began waving it around and telling people he was going to kill them. He then started to chase people with the knife, laughing like something out of a horror movie. When someone (so very NOT me) tried to take the knife from him, he tried to stab the person and began shouting DIE BITCH DIE over and over. The police were called about this point. Then myself and a few others began to block other students and try to get them out of the way but this guy was running around the school, trying to stab on the go screaming at the top of his lungs. Eventually when all the kids were as safe as possible, several of us tried to corral the guy until the cops showed, which was sort of a running battle, because he was trying to cut us all. We eventually got him in a little area shut off with chain link fence and tied a rope around the handle to keep him in there, but he used the knife to cut through the rope and got loose. The only reason he lost the knife was because he threw it at a worker and missed. That's about when the situation kinda mellowed and we subdued the student.

--Dazz

Damn. Glad u r ok.

[rick]

Okay, I admit it, the reality truly dispells my goofy fantasy image.

But, I was serious when I said I'm glad you weren't hurt.

[shrike]

Okay, I admit it, the reality truly dispells my goofy fantasy image.

But, I was serious when I said I'm glad you weren't hurt.

Sometimes (correct me if I'm wrong, Daz) but you can look back on it MUCH later as something you can giggle about... cuz sometimes that's all you got. You either make light of it or you let it eat at you. It's very emotionally taxing.

[Dazzler]

Typically, no.

Dazz here is something you might want to read:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21292612/

Its nice to know... YOU ARE #1!

NUMBER 1!

NUMBER 1!

NUMBER 1!

:p

Ha. ;) Boy, they aren't kidding. Since taking on this job, I'm depressed 99% of the time, no lie. I don't even recognize myself sometimes. Just goes to show you, don't go to college for art, because you'll end up hating yourself for it later when you finally get a paying job. ;)

Don't misunderstand me, because I really am glad that you are okay and weren't hurt.

But the mental image the whole scene conjures up is still really, really, funny.
Yeah, if it were just an abstract concept just based on the way I described it, it would be hilarious, no lie. But the reality was not so hilarious. Maybe in the next week or so, it'll be funnier.
That's the way it goes a lot. Something will be completely fucked up and will be funnier MUCH MUCH later after some time to decompress.

--Dazz

[Red Berens]

I hate when that happens. I'm really glad you're ok.

[Dazzler]

Damn. Glad u r ok.

Thanks. :)

Yeah, and (at least here in OH) it would never really go anywhere, sometimes even if they killed someone.
Exactly, all the justice system has to hear is "special needs" and they think, well, we can't take in a retard! they don't know what they're doing!

However, this guy is high functioning and completely aware of what he's doing. He's just sadistic.

BTW: shrike, I didn't know you were one of our people! I knew we shared a brain. You totally are more bad ass than ever! ;)

Okay, I admit it, the reality truly dispells my goofy fantasy image.

But, I was serious when I said I'm glad you weren't hurt.
nah, it's cool. Trust me, after a while, it's going to be ridiculous. I mean, more than it already is.
And thanks!

Sometimes (correct me if I'm wrong, Daz) but you can look back on it MUCH later as something you can giggle about... cuz sometimes that's all you got. You either make light of it or you let it eat at you. It's very emotionally taxing.

You hit the nail firmly on the head. That's pretty much all you have sometimes, because the money certainly is nowhere near (not even in the same galaxy) what it would take to ease the fatigue. The pays shit, so you have to have a gallows humor almost.

--Dazz

[Cam63]

Jeez ! I'm so glad no one was hurt, apart from one Helluva shock, Dazz'.

Damn fine work how you guys handled things while the wanker was still armed, putting yourselves in harms way to protect others.

I know you don't feel brave, but that was pretty heroic.

[Spike-X]

Holy crap. Nobody "should expect these things" in any job. Except maybe being a cop.

[Dazzler]

I, for one, am curious as to what "subdued" means in this situation. :D

Which school you at, Dazz?

Well, I WISH subdued in this situation meant, "Tasered until unconscious."

Sadly, it just means put in a secure location with minimal force until help arrived.

I can't tell you which school outright due to legal issues, but it's in Berkeley.

--Dazz

[John Hays]

Nearly?? Did you teach him that quitters never win? :p

No, but seriously, I'm glad you didn't get hurt. You should never have had to be in that situation.

[shrike]

Thanks. :)

BTW: shrike, I didn't know you were one of our people! I knew we shared a brain. You totally are more bad ass than ever! ;)



I supervise and run group homes for ppl with MR/DD currently, but I've had my fair share of beatings.

... and as far as 'cognitive' there are quite a few. I knew one client who kept telling a fellow coworker of mine who was pregnant that he was going to murder her, rape her then kill her baby, in that order.

Most clients who are a serious risk though are in 'lockdown' homes... but yes, staff still must take a lot of abuse.

[Cam63]

Holy crap. Nobody "should expect these things" in any job. Except maybe being a cop.

Ambos, fireys and hospital staff do... and they're unarmed.

[BnL]

Well, I WISH subdued in this situation meant, "Tasered until unconscious."

Sadly, it just means put in a secure location with minimal force until help arrived.

I can't tell you which school outright due to legal issues, but it's in Berkeley.

--Dazz

lol, I was JUST gonna say that I wished that the story had ended with him getting tased. That's what would've happened if this was an episode of COPS, dammit!

Anyway, all kidding aside, I'm glad to hear you're ok. From what you said, it sounds like this kid is a real bastard, and is just taking advantage of the fact everyone will excuse his acting like a fucking savage because he's got a disability. Good thing he's a hefty fucker, since that probably made the whole out-running thing a bit easier.

[BnL]

I supervise and run group homes for ppl with MR/DD currently, but I've had my fair share of beatings.

... and as far as 'cognitive' there are quite a few. I knew one client who kept telling a fellow coworker of mine who was pregnant that he was going to murder her, rape her then kill her baby, in that order.

Most clients who are a serious risk though are in 'lockdown' homes... but yes, staff still must take a lot of abuse.

Damn! I really have to hand it to you folks, because there's no way I could do what you do!

[shrike]

Ambos, fireys and hospital staff do... and they're unarmed.

Well add to direct care type staff that in most cases you can NOT apply any use of force or restraint unless they have a very specific 'plan'... to do so is 'crisis intervention' and the state actually will actually put you on a leave of absence and will you will have a lot of interrogating. And by 'use of force' I mean anything involving ANY type of touch.

Kinda crazy.

[shrike]

Damn! I really have to hand it to you folks, because there's no way I could do what you do!

Bleh, I used to work as an overnight direct care staff at a home on weekends for extra money and a client with 200 extra pounds and six inches taller attempted to rape me. No joke.

You just oddly grow used to it. I'm not Dazzler but really it almost becomes par for the course.

[Cam63]

Well add to direct care type staff that in most cases you can NOT apply any use of force or restraint unless they have a very specific 'plan'... to do so is 'crisis intervention' and the state actually will actually put you on a leave of absence and will you will have a lot of interrogating. And by 'use of force' I mean anything involving ANY type of touch.

Kinda crazy.

People in certain professions expect/accept risk as part of the game.

You learn fast to sense when a situation is arising and what to do when things get hairy.

[shrike]

People in certain professions expect/accept risk as part of the game.

You learn fast to sense when a situation is arising and what to do when things get hairy.

Yes you do, that's for sure... but it still hurts like hell when you are on the receiving end of anything, lol.

[Cam63]

Bleh, I used to work as an overnight direct care staff at a home on weekends for extra money and a client with 200 extra pounds and six inches taller attempted to rape me. No joke.

That's horrible, Shrike.

I hope they're still looking for his balls.

[Cam63]

Yes you do, that's for sure... but it still hurts like hell when you are on the receiving end of anything, lol.

I've had stuff happen, but nothing life threatening.

[Dazzler]

Jeez ! I'm so glad no one was hurt, apart from one Helluva shock, Dazz'.
I'm happy and totally surprised no one was hurt. Initially, it was looking pretty ugly. I think I don't think I could have handled that at all.

Damn fine work how you guys handled things while the wanker was still armed, putting yourselves in harms way to protect others.

I know you don't feel brave, but that was pretty heroic.
Well, there are some kids who can't move quickly or at all, so it was completely necessary to make sure they were safe. It sounds corny and contrived, but it really is just part of the job. Besides, I love most of the kids. It would be awful if any of them were hurt because of the worst bad apple we have.

Holy crap. Nobody "should expect these things" in any job. Except maybe being a cop.
I don't think anyone should expect to be assaulted anywhere, but cops are bad ass for doing what they do. i always wanted to be one until i realized i'm a giant pussy and my nerves weren't up to it! ;)

lol, I was JUST gonna say that I wished that the story had ended with him getting tased. That's what would've happened if this was an episode of COPS, dammit!
OH, I have DREAMED of tasing this kid for a while now. You can ask PBM...it's been something I've asked Santa for pretty much since I met the guy.

Anyway, all kidding aside, I'm glad to hear you're ok. From what you said, it sounds like this kid is a real bastard, and is just taking advantage of the fact everyone will excuse his acting like a fucking savage because he's got a disability. Good thing he's a hefty fucker, since that probably made the whole out-running thing a bit easier.
Thanks, B. I really am fine, besides being a little freaked out. And you really do have this kid pegged to a T. Although, surprisingly enough, for 450 lbs, he is surprisingly fast and limber. I mean, he's slowish, but not 450 lbs slow. Kinda scary.

Bleh, I used to work as an overnight direct care staff at a home on weekends for extra money and a client with 200 extra pounds and six inches taller attempted to rape me. No joke.

You just oddly grow used to it. I'm not Dazzler but really it almost becomes par for the course.
Oh no, you're right on the money. It's just par for the course after a while and you get desensitized to the point of not even noticing all the fucked up shit surrounding you daily. "Oh, so-and-so tried to break my fingers for not giving him an extra pudding cup? Ho hum. When's my break?"
Sad, but true.
BTW: Attempted rape is so fucked up. Did you report?

--Dazz

[shrike]

That's horrible, Shrike.

I hope they're still looking for his balls.

Well it is what it is in the field. I do think there is the preconceived notion of the cute, sweet kid (who ALWAYS had Downs) coming across the finish line at the Special Olympics.

Just like anyplace else though... it is very diverse and you have your good and bad. Some of them realize what they are doing and some don't.

[Dazzler]

Man. I'm a little tipsy and not making sense. Overlook, please.

--Dazz

[BnL]

Bleh, I used to work as an overnight direct care staff at a home on weekends for extra money and a client with 200 extra pounds and six inches taller attempted to rape me. No joke.

You just oddly grow used to it. I'm not Dazzler but really it almost becomes par for the course.

That sounds insanely stressful.

[shrike]

BTW: Attempted rape is so fucked up. Did you report?

--Dazz

Well I immediately called the on call supervisor given the time of night, they put me in contact with the usual home supervisor.

Her advice? 'Oh he grabs my boobs sometimes you'll be fine.'

Swear. To. God.

I was mortified, and they wouldn't have anyone come replace me, let me leave or reassign me elsewhere. All I could do is fill out the daily log book at the home and make an incident report.

Sadly, you see this a lot.

[Cam63]

Thank fuck for a sense of humour, methinks.

Some jobs would be intolerable, otherwise.

[Cam63]

Well I immediately called the on call supervisor given the time of night, they put me in contact with the usual home supervisor.

Her advice? 'Oh he grabs my boobs sometimes you'll be fine.'

Swear. To. God.

I was mortified, and they wouldn't have anyone come replace me, let me leave or reassign me elsewhere. All I could do is fill out the daily log book at the home and make an incident report.

That's not good enough.

[beetlebum]

I don't think anyone should expect to be assaulted anywhere, but cops are bad ass for doing what they do. i always wanted to be one until i realized i'm a giant pussy and my nerves weren't up to it! ;)



Yeah, I've had my fair share of rude police officers. But cops are awesome when they chase away a drunk guy who is frightening you. Or get a lady who is blocking traffic to move her ass.

BTW: Attempted rape is so fucked up. Did you report?

--Dazz

Yes, did you report it? That is so disturbing on so many levels. I'm not sure if I could come back to work after that. That's too traumatizing. Shrike is also to be commended and gets an award for bravery!

[Spike-X]

I've had stuff happen, but nothing life threatening.
What do you do, Cam?

[shrike]

That's not good enough.

Well what they should have done, really, is reassign another staff there. They chose the easy route because it was late and supervisors did not want to be 'bothered'.

Otherwise, yeah... it's part of the job, that's what you do.

[Dazzler]

Well I immediately called the on call supervisor given the time of night, they put me in contact with the usual home supervisor.

Her advice? 'Oh he grabs my boobs sometimes you'll be fine.'

Swear. To. God.

I was mortified, and they wouldn't have anyone come replace me, let me leave or reassign me elsewhere. All I could do is fill out the daily log book at the home and make an incident report.

Sadly, you see this a lot.
Ha. You are speaking the language I'm accustomed to. Yes, that sounds so infuriatingly similar to what i hear on a daily basis. People wonder why more inappropriate behaviors aren't being weeded out successfully! When someone says, "Oh, they do it to me, too. No worries." THAT is exactly the time to worry. Eventually, it's going to turn into a situation like yours that is awful and stressful and scary and someone IS going to get hurt bad.
Shrike, you're a nails-tough cookie for sticking that shit out. Props to you.

--Dazz

[shrike]

Ha. You are speaking the language I'm accustomed to. Yes, that sounds so infuriatingly similar to what i hear on a daily basis. People wonder why more inappropriate behaviors aren't being weeded out successfully! When someone says, "Oh, they do it to me, too. No worries." THAT is exactly the time to worry. Eventually, it's going to turn into a situation like yours that is awful and stressful and scary and someone IS going to get hurt bad.
Shrike, you're a nails-tough cookie for sticking that shit out. Props to you.

--Dazz

haha well my issue is that she was so blase about someone touching her damn BEWBS! I mean, wtf? LOL

edit: Dazz is there a 'time out' room or anything where you are? How are they out there in regards to aversive behavior plans?

[Cam63]

What do you do, Cam?

Nurse.........

[beetlebum]

Well I immediately called the on call supervisor given the time of night, they put me in contact with the usual home supervisor.

Her advice? 'Oh he grabs my boobs sometimes you'll be fine.'

Swear. To. God.

I was mortified, and they wouldn't have anyone come replace me, let me leave or reassign me elsewhere. All I could do is fill out the daily log book at the home and make an incident report.

Sadly, you see this a lot.

That's sexual harassment. Not to mention you were assaulted. Personally, I would have left. It would be too traumatizing for me. But you must be really dedicated to these people. For that, you must be commended.

http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/4_19_3.gif

[shrike]

Nurse.........

It's with a geriatric population, right?

If so you too are #1!!!

[Dazzler]

haha well my issue is that she was so blase about someone touching her damn BEWBS! I mean, wtf? LOL

I don't know about you, but my body parts are still off-limits to the people in my care. Lady has issues. I had a kid touch my penis (through my jeans, natch) today and I was like, "WHOA! I need a female staff to take over this situation right now!"
Not only was it just way out of line, I was also thinking, "Girl Cooties on me dong." Not my thang, darlin'!

--Dazz

[shrike]

I don't know about you, but my body parts are still off-limits to the people in my care. Lady has issues. I had a kid touch my penis (through my jeans, natch) today and I was like, "WHOA! I need a female staff to take over this situation right now!"
Not only was it just way out of line, I was also thinking, "Girl Cooties on me dong." Not my thang, darlin'!

--Dazz

LOL no I TOTALLY understand. A large part of the population has touching issues.

[BnL]

I don't know about you, but my body parts are still off-limits to the people in my care. Lady has issues. I had a kid touch my penis (through my jeans, natch) today and I was like, "WHOA! I need a female staff to take over this situation right now!"
Not only was it just way out of line, I was also thinking, "Girl Cooties on me dong." Not my thang, darlin'!

--Dazz

Well, maybe part of her handicap is that her gaydar is on the fritz. Ever think of THAT? :p

[Dazzler]

That's sexual harassment. Not to mention you were assaulted. Personally, I would have left. It would be too traumatizing for me. But you must be really dedicated to these people. For that, you must be commended.

http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/4_19_3.gif

Like shrike said, it's just one of those bizarre, awful things you come to get used to with experience.

But I agree. Shrike's killer. ;)

--Dazz

[Cam63]

Yup, I care for mostly geriatrics, but occasionally we get someone middleaged or younger who's got nowhere else to go.

One guy, who's mentally and physically affected has been there since 1964 when he was twentyfour, after his parents died.

[shrike]

Yup, I care for mostly geriatrics.

Occasionally we get someone middleaged who's got nowhere else to go.

One guy, who's mentally and physically affected has been there since 1964 at the age of twentyfour after his parents died.

Then I'm SURE you have your fill of stories, especially with people who may suffer from alzheimer's ... kudos to you, cam. Seriously!

[beetlebum]

Like shrike said, it's just one of those bizarre, awful things you come to get used to with experience.

But I agree. Shrike's killer. ;)

--Dazz

So are you.http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/23_5_118.gif

[Cam63]

Thanks, Shrike.

Now I'm getting older, the scars are starting to show. :)

[Dazzler]

LOL no I TOTALLY understand. A large part of the population has touching issues.
ugh. They see it, they go for it. And no amount of protesting seems to get through to them.

If only it was that way for me on a saturday night out. ;) Oh, the sadly mixed up way my life works these days.

Well, maybe part of her handicap is that her gaydar is on the fritz. Ever think of THAT? :p
You naughty bird.
Clearly, that's something we need to work on in her next IEP goal meeting. "Needs to be able to pick out the queerdos who work here and stay away from their junk with 99% accuracy."
I mean, she IS from the Bay Area. It's an essential living skill. ;)

--Dazz

[beetlebum]

Thanks, Shrike.

Now I'm getting older, the scars are starting to show. :)

Yay Cam!http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/23_5_111.gif

[Cam63]

One guy had to be showered over the partition in the booth next door because he was too violent to get too close to.

He'd be OK once the water was turned off and we gave him a towel.

[Dazzler]

edit: Dazz is there a 'time out' room or anything where you are? How are they out there in regards to aversive behavior plans?
Well, we do have an area for "time out" time, although nowadays the new plan is that they have to ask for it before we can take them. naturally, they never do.
We've got a new behaviorist who is trying to make us a 100% positive student environment, so that we are never allowed to tell a student that any behavior is inappropriate or out of bounds. Instead, we have to focus on what part of their behavior they're doing right and heap unrealistic amounts of praise on them for it.
Today, if we were following the plan, would not have sounded like "Student X, put down the knife! You're going to hurt someone!". It WOULD have gone something like, "Student X, I really love how you're being calm when no one is within arms reach of you. Good job! Awesome the way you're being quiet when you sneak up on Teacher X behind her back!"

It's not working. The students have already figure out how to beat the system and are exploiting it magnificently.

--Dazz

[Jack Zodiac]

No. As a special needs student, he can't simply be arrested for bad behavior because he's in a facility that's agreed to meet his needs (our school). To be arrested, someone has to file individual charges against him, which is what the inital person who was being attacked is going to do.

I certainly fuckin' hope so! I understand certain people need special attention, and that not all behavioral disorders make someone violent, but when they do, and not just physically aggressive, but fatally aggressive, they don't deserve the same treatment as other people with behavioral problems. They're a threat to themselves and others, be they other people with needs like theirs or the people taking care of them.

I'm glad you're alright though, Dazz. I hope you're feeling calmer tomorrow, and good luck at the new school with Max.

[Dazzler]

So are you.http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/23_5_118.gif

Well, thank you. i appreciate it. :)

I just realized something...I have 'em when they're young. Shrike houses 'em when they're adults and Cam keeps 'em when they're old.

Odd.

BTW: Cam, you really have my respect.

--Dazz

[Cam63]

Thanks, guys.

[Dazzler]

I certainly fuckin' hope so! I understand certain people need special attention, and that not all behavioral disorders make someone violent, but when they do, and not just physically aggressive, but fatally aggressive, they don't deserve the same treatment as other people with behavioral problems. They're a threat to themselves and others, be they other people with needs like theirs or the people taking care of them.

OH, I totally agree. I work with a lot of kids with behavioral disabilities, and none act like this kid. There are some who can be very aggressive, but none have gone out of their way to potentially (or even REMOTELY) be fatally aggresive. PBM started the ball rolling when she worked with me that this student was in the wrong environment for him. His placement at my school is NOT meeting his needs and we are failing him. Now that's she's gone, a few of us have tried to tell the admin the same thing, but they are more concerned with the money that his presence brings.

I'm glad you're alright though, Dazz. I hope you're feeling calmer tomorrow, and good luck at the new school with Max.
Thanks Jack. I'm sure tomorrow will be a day just like any other (which doesn't necessarily mean GOOD, mind you...). It may take a little more effort to get out of bed, but I'm sure I'll be fine.
And thanks again! Working with Max again is enough to get me to go anywhere!

--Dazz

[Christopher Cross Is God]

I need to look into this line of work.

[Dazzler]

I need to look into this line of work.

It's highly specialized. You need to have a desperate need for money and be out of your fucking mind.

Not everyone can do it!

--Dazz

[Dazzler]

Thanks, guys.

One day, I'm going to buy you a beer.

Then drink it myself, just to see the look on your face. ;)

--Dazz

[Spike-X]

We've got a new behaviorist who is trying to make us a 100% positive student environment, so that we are never allowed to tell a student that any behavior is inappropriate or out of bounds. Instead, we have to focus on what part of their behavior they're doing right and heap unrealistic amounts of praise on them for it.


Have the boffins who come up with this kind of bullshit ever interacted with actual human beings in the real world?

[BnL]

Today, if we were following the plan, would not have sounded like "Student X, put down the knife! You're going to hurt someone!". It WOULD have gone something like, "Student X, I really love how you're being calm when no one is within arms reach of you. Good job! Awesome the way you're being quiet when you sneak up on Teacher X behind her back!"

LOL! You put me to shame with your way with words.

Also, I hereby decree that this fucknut with the knife be known as Student X.

[Cam63]

One day, I'm going to buy you a beer.

Then drink it myself, just to see the look on your face. ;)

--Dazz

My beer reflexes shall thwart thee.

[Cam63]

Have the boffins who come up with this kind of bullshit ever interacted with actual human beings in the real world?

It's been my experiance that the fucknuckles who come up with hair brained schemes never are the ones who have to apply it.

[Tyr]

Ha. ;) Boy, they aren't kidding. Since taking on this job, I'm depressed 99% of the time, no lie. I don't even recognize myself sometimes. Just goes to show you, don't go to college for art, because you'll end up hating yourself for it later when you finally get a paying job. ;)


And here I thought my life sucked, because I ran out of funding going for my Arts & Sciences degree.

Glad to hear your ok, Dazz.

Not that I expect you'll run into any more knife wielding maniacs, but in the future you might want to take this up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krav_Maga) or something similar.

[Flamebird]

Thanks, Shrike.

Now I'm getting older, the scars are starting to show. :)

Yeah, but ya still look great in a pair of white seamed stockings,Cam.

And in the end, that's what counts. :D

[Solaris]

Well, we do have an area for "time out" time, although nowadays the new plan is that they have to ask for it before we can take them. naturally, they never do.
We've got a new behaviorist who is trying to make us a 100% positive student environment, so that we are never allowed to tell a student that any behavior is inappropriate or out of bounds. Instead, we have to focus on what part of their behavior they're doing right and heap unrealistic amounts of praise on them for it.
Today, if we were following the plan, would not have sounded like "Student X, put down the knife! You're going to hurt someone!". It WOULD have gone something like, "Student X, I really love how you're being calm when no one is within arms reach of you. Good job! Awesome the way you're being quiet when you sneak up on Teacher X behind her back!"

It's not working. The students have already figure out how to beat the system and are exploiting it magnificently.

--Dazz

Put the stupid behaviorist in charge of this guy. I think it's your duty to educate the ignorant. :D

And glad you survived, and no one was hurt!

[Flamebird]

Oh, yeah, sorry to hear you had to put up with this Dazz.

Glad you're okay and getting out of that place.


On the other hand, I opened this thread expecting a warped Halloween thread.:(

[Spike-X]

It's been my experiance that the fucknuckles who come up with hair brained schemes never are the ones who have to apply it.
Ain't that the bloody truth.

[Tobias March]

Jebus that's crazy Dazzler, glad to hear you're ok.

Any chance knife boy could get a public spanking in the town centre. I mean in know we're supposed to appreciate everyone's 'issues', but he just sounds like an uncontrollable brat with no conception of responsibility for his actions.

The older I get the more I miss corporal punishment.

Seriously glad to hear you're ok.

[Alan Lynch]

Whoa, seriously glad you're OK there Dazzler. That'd scare the living hell out of me; good luck in the new place as well.

ETA: Actually, my avatar makes that genuine show of support kind of...weird.

[TomStillwell]

Well it is what it is in the field. I do think there is the preconceived notion of the cute, sweet kid (who ALWAYS had Downs) coming across the finish line at the Special Olympics.

Just like anyplace else though... it is very diverse and you have your good and bad. Some of them realize what they are doing and some don't.

My wife was a social worker for years working with MD/DD clients. I was relieved when she finally left to do other work. She had some scary moments.

My sister-in-law still works in social service. Last year she had a client lock her in a room for two hours. Luckily, that was all that happened. She left that job almost immediately.

The same client somehow got our address (we all live in the same house) and showed up on our doorstep the day after she left. Fortunately the cops came pretty quickly.

[Pink Bat Max]

I told admin several times: this guy is gonna kill someone. It's not an 'if' it's a 'when'.

Ignored, as is typical. Glad I'm out of there. Fucking infuriated they're not taking THIS seriously.

[KevinTBrown]

Well, crap. I'm just glad you're all right Dazz! Hopefully something will be done now.

And to all of you who work in this field: The admiration definitely hit 11 with me!

[hellokittykat]

Damn Dazz I'm glad you're okay!

And shrike I have friends in low places who could play the kettle drum on your super's head for being so nonchalant to you.

I sometimes get frustrated with my job when I have some coked out psycho fighing against us all so that we can get an IV or a trach in him. It's like why am I getting the crap beat out of me so that I can help you?

I hope you and Pinky have a better day together Dazz.

[Rattlehead]

I'm truly sorry you had such a horrible experience and I'm glad your'e OK Dazz. Hopefully things will be better now that you will be closer to your friend. I was afraid to leave the house this morning myself, as my girlfriend leaves for work later than I do and we have an attempted murderer/rapist running loose this morning. He broke into a woman's apartment and stabbed her 10 times in the back and raped her, somehow the poor woman survived. We live in scary times.

[Corrina]

Yikes!

Dazz, just coming into this thread. Damn.

((((((((((((((((((((((((Dazz)))))))))))))))))))))) ))

Yeah, changing jobs is definitely a good idea. Yes, there are violent people that you help but that doesn't mean a deadly threat to the people there should be shrugged out. Jeez.

[Pink Bat Max]

Yikes!

Dazz, just coming into this thread. Damn.

((((((((((((((((((((((((Dazz)))))))))))))))))))))) ))

Yeah, changing jobs is definitely a good idea. Yes, there are violent people that you help but that doesn't mean a deadly threat to the people there should be shrugged out. Jeez.

Well, the sad thing is there's no helping this kid BECAUSE the admin is allergic to giving consequences. Nearly any professional will tell you he should have been 5150ed, that is put under psychiatric evaluation in a lock down facility for a minimum of 48 hours. That's something thaty they CAN do, that's wholly appropriate to do, and in fact is the ethical thing to do.

But this mother yells at the admin and calls them names, so they roll over.

I love this kid, but he's beat me with a chain, attempted to strangle me, and I can see which way the wind blows. He needs serious intervention now. That school, where they ask you not to report abuse issues even with it's pretty clear a kid is being fucking MOLESTED, won't do it. They roll over for parents and group home staff who are mean to them.

I had to leave them as an ethical imperitive. But I'm really sorry I wasn't there to lend a hand. =p

[Alan Lynch]

Well, the sad thing is there's no helping this kid BECAUSE the admin is allergic to giving consequences. Nearly any professional will tell you he should have been 5150ed, that is put under psychiatric evaluation in a lock down facility for a minimum of 48 hours. That's something thaty they CAN do, that's wholly appropriate to do, and in fact is the ethical thing to do.

But this mother yells at the admin and calls them names, so they roll over.

I love this kid, but he's beat me with a chain, attempted to strangle me, and I can see which way the wind blows. He needs serious intervention now. That school, where they ask you not to report abuse issues even with it's pretty clear a kid is being fucking MOLESTED, won't do it. They roll over for parents and group home staff who are mean to them.

I had to leave them as an ethical imperitive. But I'm really sorry I wasn't there to lend a hand. =p
Dear God, seriously? That's properly shocked me; I can, sadly, see you guys having difficulty getting something done about patient abuse. But I'd have thought staff would be able to force something to happen when their own safety is compromised.

I have such unbelievable respect for all you guys.

[shrike]

One of the reasons you see what Dazzler is talking about is because of the history of people with disabilities.

A few decades ago, a LOT of people, if they didn't live with families, were in institutions... and it wasn't pretty. I have heard horror stories of life in an institution, some from clients first hand. You'd have one toothbrush for like 15, 20 clients. Lots of patient abuse. One staff for a ward of 20-30 people. Totally unsanitary conditions. It was just a free for all.

Things have totally changed though. Conditions have improved considerably to where people once in institutions can live in apartments, have 'real' jobs, etc.

Behaviorally, however, the ENTIRE aspect of 'natural consequences' is thrown out the window because the pendulum has swung the entire opposite way. You really aren't allowed to even say the word 'no' to clients. If a client is aggressive, you are not allowed to touch the person in ANY way, shape or form unless they have an aversive behavior plan... and nowadays even THOSE are discouraged. I think one of the big things EVERYONE needs to learn in this world is that actions have consequences, and that is something that really is no longer being taught to people who, in my opinion, really need it.

For the record: I don't like the concept of the Special Olympics. I think it is great what they do, seriously. What I don't like is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON is a winner. I think it teaches an unrealistic expectation. I think it is OK to teach someone it is all right to lose sometimes, you gave it your all and you did your best. There is nothing wrong with it. However, that isn't the 'mindset' that is encouraged. :(

BTW and for the record... I'm going to speak for Cam, Daz, Max and myself that the health care field is great. I could share just on my own sooo many stories that make it all worthwhile. I have met so many clients that have enhanced my life, made me smile or even opened my eyes up to things I never thought about. There are some SUPER people out there who have disabilities of all kinds. I get frustrated a bit but when I reflect back the good totally outweighs the bad...

[Sharpandpointies]

...and we subdued the student.


I realize that you're dealing with people with issues. But at the same time, when I read the story I would fully understand if 'subdued the student' involved blunt trauma.

VERY glad to hear you're okay. That must have been terrifying.

[Spike-X]

Nearly any professional will tell you he should have been 5150ed, that is...

...made to listen to bad Van Halen albums from the Sammy Hagar era? Don't you think that's taking things a bit too far? You gotta draw the line somewhere, y'know!

[LewisH]

and it's only going to get worse as the population increases and the economy goes south. Of course it isn't just the MRDD kids that are scary as we see almost weekly in schools around the country.

When you reach the population level this country has (300 million) everyone becomes nothing more than another statistic. Help becomes less and less available as people feel like nothing they do makes a difference.

In the end you have to look out for yourself first, though, or you won't be in a position to help anyone at all. Really glad you are safe and moving on to what should be a better position.

[Pink Bat Max]

For the record: I don't like the concept of the Special Olympics. I think it is great what they do, seriously. What I don't like is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON is a winner. I think it teaches an unrealistic expectation. I think it is OK to teach someone it is all right to lose sometimes, you gave it your all and you did your best. There is nothing wrong with it. However, that isn't the 'mindset' that is encouraged. :(

One of the classes at my old school would play Musical Chairs. Only there were enough chairs for EVERYONE to sit in, so nobody was ever 'out', so nobody 'lost'. For whatever reason that drove me fucking INSANE.

[shrike]

One of the classes at my old school would play Musical Chairs. Only there were enough chairs for EVERYONE to sit in, so nobody was ever 'out', so nobody 'lost'. For whatever reason that drove me fucking INSANE.

It drove you crazy because it is dumb as hell, that's why!

I find a lot of MRR/DD philosophy to be incredibly naive and stupid. We talk about how we want to 'normalize' and 'empower' individuals but then what we really do is patronize them and give them tools that only serve to set them up for failure or have unrealistic expectations as they go on through life.

I would rather make and encourage a gracious loser than tell someone that they are ALWAYS a winner because guess what..? Life don't work like that.

PISSES. ME. OFF.

[Cam63]

Yeah, but ya still look great in a pair of white seamed stockings,Cam.

And in the end, that's what counts. :D

Damn straight !

[Alan Lynch]

One of the classes at my old school would play Musical Chairs. Only there were enough chairs for EVERYONE to sit in, so nobody was ever 'out', so nobody 'lost'. For whatever reason that drove me fucking INSANE.
That actually happens? Didn't The Simpsons do that? I thought it was just a joke; good God.

Reminds me of stories about schools banning sports days, or scrapping the scorline in kids' football games if one team is truly horsing the other.

[beetlebum]

One of the classes at my old school would play Musical Chairs. Only there were enough chairs for EVERYONE to sit in, so nobody was ever 'out', so nobody 'lost'. For whatever reason that drove me fucking INSANE.

I'm LMAO at the pc. Sorry, but it's funny as hell!

[Pink Bat Max]

I'm LMAO at the pc. Sorry, but it's funny as hell!

Yeah, might as well call it 'Musical Sit-Down'.

[KevinTBrown]

In reading just how overly PC it's getting, it does make one wonder how they'd react when they actually lose at a game.....

[singoalla]

Glad you are okay from the near-murder attempt. But those people running your school should be in jail. Some day someone is going to get hurt, and then what? A lawsuit? Followed by "I told you so". Not to mention the help these kids actually need.


And the hysterical political correctness. Sheesh if there ever was a thing to make me break out in hives, it was being PC. lol

[Pink Bat Max]

Glad you are okay from the near-murder attempt. But those people running your school should be in jail. Some day someone is going to get hurt, and then what? A lawsuit? Followed by "I told you so". Not to mention the help these kids actually need.


And the hysterical political correctness. Sheesh if there ever was a thing to make me break out in hives, it was being PC. lol

Someone already had their kneecap shattered, so they can't work there or any physical job anymore.

[beetlebum]

Behaviorally, however, the ENTIRE aspect of 'natural consequences' is thrown out the window because the pendulum has swung the entire opposite way. You really aren't allowed to even say the word 'no' to clients. If a client is aggressive, you are not allowed to touch the person in ANY way, shape or form unless they have an aversive behavior plan... and nowadays even THOSE are discouraged. I think one of the big things EVERYONE needs to learn in this world is that actions have consequences, and that is something that really is no longer being taught to people who, in my opinion, really need it.

For the record: I don't like the concept of the Special Olympics. I think it is great what they do, seriously. What I don't like is that EVERY SINGLE PERSON is a winner. I think it teaches an unrealistic expectation. I think it is OK to teach someone it is all right to lose sometimes, you gave it your all and you did your best. There is nothing wrong with it. However, that isn't the 'mindset' that is encouraged. :(



I can also see logical consequences getting lost in the semantics as well. Logical consequences are situations engineered by the person in authority and they are logically connected to the wrong. It is logical because it "fits" the offense. For example, if your teen breaks curfew, he/she isn’t allowed out the next night. If he/she doesn’t eat dinner, he/she doesn’t get dessert. These are examples of negative logical consequences. Setting up a reward system for good grades and giving the reward when the grade is obtained is an example of a positive logical consequence.

If we try to coddle a person than how will they ever learn? This is why I hate political correctness.

To me, the parent analogy is best. If you love your child, you will give them the freedom to make their own mistakes, learn from them and amend them. There are times when intervention is needed. Too much intervention and you have totalitarianism. I see an individual's actions in society and the consequences for their behaviour the same way. So enough with the coddling already.

[Sharpandpointies]

I can also see logical consequences getting lost in the semantics as well. Logical consequences are situations engineered by the person in authority and they are logically connected to the wrong. It is logical because it "fits" the offense. For example, if your teen breaks curfew, he/she isn’t allowed out the next night. If he/she doesn’t eat dinner, he/she doesn’t get dessert. These are examples of negative logical consequences. Setting up a reward system for good grades and giving the reward when the grade is obtained is an example of a positive logical consequence.

If we try to coddle a person than how will they ever learn? This is why I hate political correctness.

To me, the parent analogy is best. If you love your child, you will give them the freedom to make their own mistakes, learn from them and amend them. There are times when intervention is needed. Too much intervention and you have totalitarianism. I see an individual's actions in society and the consequences for their behaviour the same way. So enough with the coddling already.


Quoted for truth. Enough of the kid gloves. We do it with everyone these days, and boy howdy if it isn't a shocker when those who are coddled actually get out into the world.

[Dazzler]

Thanks everyone for the kind words! I promise that I'll respond more either tonight or tomorrow, but I'm afraid that yesterday and today have been as hectic as all get out and this is the longest I've been at my computer (and I'm leaving again in about two minutes!) for a day or so. I do appreciate everyone being glad that I'm okay. Me too! ;)

And, I'll give an update on the situation when I get back.

Plus, yes, PBM is right...someone got their kneecap kicked in by a student...it's the reason I got the job in the first place.

--Dazz

[Cam63]

Well, the sad thing is there's no helping this kid BECAUSE the admin is allergic to giving consequences. Nearly any professional will tell you he should have been 5150ed, that is put under psychiatric evaluation in a lock down facility for a minimum of 48 hours. That's something thaty they CAN do, that's wholly appropriate to do, and in fact is the ethical thing to do.

But this mother yells at the admin and calls them names, so they roll over.

I love this kid, but he's beat me with a chain, attempted to strangle me, and I can see which way the wind blows. He needs serious intervention now. That school, where they ask you not to report abuse issues even with it's pretty clear a kid is being fucking MOLESTED, won't do it. They roll over for parents and group home staff who are mean to them.

I had to leave them as an ethical imperitive. But I'm really sorry I wasn't there to lend a hand. =p

That is fucked up. Your admins need a reality slap... HARD.

Recently we've a ressie who'd propositioned female staff in a rather crude way and made many feel uncomfortable dealing with him.

When I'm on duty, I'll relieve them and just give him my usual charming " 1000 yard stare " while being friendly enough in my tone.

He accepts I'm doing right by him, but he knows I won't take any crap.

[PatrickG]

Oh, yes. I was chased through the school by a 450 pound monstrosity of a person with a 10-inch butcher knife as he screamed, "DIE BITCH DIE!" at the top of his lungs (when he wasn't laughing maniacally).

I came home and promptly accepted new work at a different school starting next Monday.

Looks like Pink Bat Max and I are going to be co-workers again. ;)

--Dazz

Oh. Geez. Glad you're okay!

[Alex L]

How did I miss this thread for a couple of days?

Glad to hear you're okay, Dazz.

How old was this 450-pounder? A random question, I know, but oddly curious...

[beetlebum]

Quoted for truth. Enough of the kid gloves. We do it with everyone these days, and boy howdy if it isn't a shocker when those who are coddled actually get out into the world.

Thanks Sharpandpointies! That means a lot coming from one of the best rumbler's around!:)

[Sharpandpointies]

Thanks Sharpandpointies! That means a lot coming from one of the best rumbler's around!:)

I don't know if I'm one of the best, but thanks in turn for the compliment. :)

Seriously, when I read posts by you I'm glad we got past that little tiff, because you write some good stuff.

[beetlebum]

I don't know if I'm one of the best, but thanks in turn for the compliment. :)

Seriously, when I read posts by you I'm glad we got past that little tiff, because you write some good stuff.

I'm glad we got over it too. And you're a great guy, with an impressive empirical knowledge of comics and you're a good at debating! http://www.mommiesnbabies.com/forums/images/smilies/cuddlyhug.gif

Glad to have met ya!http://www.awesome-sauce.net/images/smilies/gpost.gif