Green Arrow/Black Canary #4 solicit (spoilers)

[Cayman]

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GREEN ARROW/BLACK CANARY #4
Written by Judd Winick
Art and cover by Cliff Chiang
The second story arc of this hit new series begins with a tragedy for Oliver Queen!
On sale January 9 • 32 pg, FC, $2.99 US


Grrrr, that dead boy better not be Connor Hawke! But is it a bad sign that they are soliciting the Connor Hawke mini's TPB at the same time? *fumes* :mad:

[Cam63]

There's albino... then there's extreme albino.

[NickThompson]

Isn't Conner in the background? Between Supes and Bats?

[KevinTBrown]

Isn't Conner in the background? Between Supes and Bats?

Looks like Roy.

Anyway, odds are it's either Mia or Connor.

[Cayman]

Isn't Conner in the background? Between Supes and Bats?

I think that's Red Arrow.

[Tobias March]

Stop with the death! What is this - a book about teenage mutants dealing with 'issues'?

[KevinTBrown]

Stop with the death! What is this - a book about teenage mutants dealing with 'issues'?

No one said anyone was dead. Just that it's a tragedy. ;) Maybe they lost an arm?

[Cayman]

He's looking pretty dead. And saintly.

[Cam63]

Maybe it's just a hangover.

[Pink Bat Max]

Wait, so Ollie survived?

Anyway, it's quite obviously Snapper Carr. And everyone's bummed because Ollie won the 'Throttle Snapper With A Bag Full Of Limequick' raffle, and not them.

Seriously, the inclusion of Nightwing in back makes me afraid for Roy.

[Cayman]

Wait, so Ollie survived?

Yeah, apparently the person Dinah killed was Everyman, and Granny Goodness's Nu-Amazons captured Ollie and are holding him on Paradise Island.

[Pink Bat Max]

Yeah, apparently the person Dinah killed was Everyman, and Granny Goodness's Nu-Amazons captured Ollie and are holding him on Paradise Island.

Then you'd think he'd have waited until AFTER the marital consummation sex to kill.

Anyway, good riddance.

[Cayman]

Then you'd think he'd have waited until AFTER the marital consummation sex to kill.

Anyway, good riddance.

He was probably afraid he'd immediately fall asleep. :p

[KevinTBrown]

One other thing..... That cover ruins ANY suspense as to what may or may not happen in the first arc.

Gotta love it. :rolleyes:

[Jack Zodiac]

If you bitch about death in comics, shock solicitations, and overbearing tragedy, but buy this book anyway, you're contributing to the vacuum of suck that are mainstream comics!

[Corrina]

Could be Dinah.

[heystacy]

Could be Dinah.

You know, it hurts to see/feel that Dinah is not in such good hands. :(

[BnL]

I think that having a major death tease for the second arc in a row is a little stupid. Find some new shtick! Maybe with the addition of Dinah (and yes, rather than a true "team up" book, I think that even though her name's now in the title, it's just a continuation of the Green Arrow comic, plus Dinah), Winick may want to whittle down the cast of characters. Kind of makes you wonder what kind of horror might've befallen Sin, had she not been written out by Bedard in the Black Canary mini...

[Pink Bat Max]

Could be Dinah.

In that case, she has an Adam's Apple, and as a result we've learned something new about her AND Ollie.

[lonewolf23k]

Here's hoping this is one of those deceptive "this scene does not actually appear within this issue" covers...

[shrike]

In that case, she has an Adam's Apple, and as a result we've learned something new about her AND Ollie.

Well if you look Ann Coulter has an adam's apple...

It's true, btw, check out some of her pics.

[Cayman]

I'm down with Ann Coulter dying in Green Arrow/Black Canary.

[KevinTBrown]

I'm down with Ann Coulter dying in Green Arrow/Black Canary.

Damn sure way to have me buying multiple copies.


:p

[Cayman]

Oh well. There's a DCU that can live in memories in my head that can't touched, where all my favorite characters can remain alive and intact. Look, up in the sky, is that Shayera Thal, Hawkwoman? And over there, Tyler the Hourman! And here comes Connor Hawke now with his trusty bow. It's a beautiful dream.

[Evan Waters]

Could be Dinah.

No comics artist at DC draws women that flat-chested.

[Cam63]

That's for sure !

[MacQuarrie]

Am I the only one annoyed by the homage to Michaelangelo's Pieta?

[Ender]

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Grrrr, that dead boy better not be Connor Hawke! But is it a bad sign that they are soliciting the Connor Hawke mini's TPB at the same time? *fumes* :mad:

I'm a Connor fan so feel free to call "reaching" here. But two thing stand out in this image.

One - Nightwing is there. He is pretty outta place unless the death in the foreground is Roy Harper then we have some sense.

Two - If you look at the overall coloring of the characters in the background you'll see that places we know are yellow (like on the Flash and Black Lightning) match the hair shading on the character over Supermans shoulder. Connor is of course blonde.

Either death is just as senseless as all the others. I mean have Roy become Arsenal again and send Connor back to the monestary. Why is that so taboo at DC nowadays?

[Sarah Beach]

The hand sillhouette in the foreground looks weird. Think the person is holding something?

Bah. Death is losing its shock value in the DCU. What a bother.

[hellokittykat]

I still have the first issue in my messenger bag, waiting to be read. I shouldn't have looked at the last page though because I don't have any interest in reading it now.

As much as I love Black Canary, I don't think I'll be picking this series up.

[Jack Zodiac]

If you love Black Canary, that's just one more reason not to pick up this series. Don't contribute to the perpetuation of bad writing, especially when said bad writing ruins a perfectly good character like Dinah.

[hellokittykat]

If you love Black Canary, that's just one more reason not to pick up this series. Don't contribute to the perpetuation of bad writing, especially when said bad writing ruins a perfectly good character like Dinah.

Oh I completely agree. It's why I didn't get the issues of Green Arrow just because she was in it.

I didn't have a change to read the last Justice League yet to see how she is in there.

[Jack Zodiac]

Don't bother. It's a pretty lackluster series as it is, but if you're going in solely for some Canary, it's even less worth it. McDuffie's done some good with her character so far, but I don't know how long that'll last, since he's in the process of shaking up the line-up completely.

[Cayman]

When the book fails, they'll probably point the finger at Black Canary. *is pessimistic*

[Jack Zodiac]

At least they shitcanned their Wonder Woman/Dr. Light ongoing. "What? People love rapists! Did you see the sales on Identity Crisis? This is obviously Wonder Woman's fault. No wonder Warner Bros. trashed any and all movie possibilities for her."

[the4thpip]

In that case, she has an Adam's Apple, and as a result we've learned something new about her AND Ollie.

That's her choker necklace.

[titanfan]

Then you'd think he'd have waited until AFTER the marital consummation sex to kill.

Then we'd have to deal with "Black Canary was raped!" all over again. You can always pretend that the villains were worried that Dinah would realize that it wasn't Ollie mid-sex so they told him to do it before they did the deed..

[Paul McEnery]

Damn sure way to have me buying multiple copies.


:p

Fisted with a boxing glove arrow until she achieves the first non-faked orgasm of her life and what's left of her coke-addled brain explodes?

[Paul McEnery]

Yeah, apparently the person Dinah killed was Everyman, and Granny Goodness's Nu-Amazons captured Ollie and are holding him on Paradise Island.

He's such a stud.

[stamen]

Well, when you aren't shoving swords down Dinah's mouth, what else can you do to create a buzz for your title besides feigning deaths and killing off characters every third issue?

Before we get overly critical, remember that even Kevin Smith blew Connor's brains out. Granted he didn't die, but it was still a shock value. The difference however is quite stark. Kevin Smith didn't HAVE to couch his stories in shock value. They were solid throughout.

[NickThompson]

Vaguely related, just been announced that the new Outsiders creative team is changing. Also, the cover has switched Boomerang and Catwoman for Green Arrow and Batgirl.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133176

[Cayman]

Vaguely related, just been announced that the new Outsiders creative team is changing. Also, the cover has switched Boomerang and Catwoman for Green Arrow and Batgirl.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133176

That's pretty good news. Plus Geo-Force.

[Adam C]

Am I the only one annoyed by the homage to Michaelangelo's Pieta?

Nope. I find it the most nauseatingly overused (http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/2007/04/comic_book_cove.html) classic art homage in comics. Heck, it is even one the most nauseatingly overused comic-book cover concepts of all time.

[Sabrinaset]

Nope. I find it the most nauseatingly overused (http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/2007/04/comic_book_cove.html) classic art homage in comics. Heck, it is even one the most nauseatingly overused comic-book cover concepts of all time.

Yeah, you may be right there. Yow. But on the other hand, when it looks like so many ... not ALL of them, so many of the artists on comics today don't seem to know the basics of anatomy ... well, maybe we're all better off if they're copying from the classics. Maybe some of it will rub off on them. The new JLA with McDuffie ... that artist ... some of his heroes are so musclebound, it really detracts from the art as I'm always wondering how the person could even walk with that physique. Someone at the big two needs to have some of their artists study classical art because I can't help but feel like, instead of going to art school, several of these guys learned art by copying other comic book artists.

BTW ... my favorite cover on that list was the Death of Captain Marvel one.

You guys remember THIS (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=130692&highlight=scavenger) thread? The talk about homages reminded me of it. Just a flashback for some of you here.

I think I'll give this series a few more issues, and then ... I dunno. I'm just not on fire for it. It's bad enough that, as Jack said, it's pretty lackluster. It's even worse that they're tying it into Amazons Attack, sorta. I can't help but suspect that DC is gonna make everyone like that series, whether we want to or not.

[MacQuarrie]

Nope. I find it the most nauseatingly overused (http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/2007/04/comic_book_cove.html) classic art homage in comics. Heck, it is even one the most nauseatingly overused comic-book cover concepts of all time.

Yup. Even I have used it. (http://www.monkeyspit.net/4thwall/)

[Adam C]

Yeah, you may be right there. Yow. But on the other hand, when it looks like so many ... not ALL of them, so many of the artists on comics today don't seem to know the basics of anatomy ... well, maybe we're all better off if they're copying from the classics. Maybe some of it will rub off on them.

I'm not so sure about that. It would be fair to guess that a good number of comic artists are aping the pose from other comic artists (especially going by all the Perez tributes at the link). In any case I think the pose's overuse has been completely destroyed in terms of its effectiveness as far as comic covers go, even if Cliff Chiang did go back to the original. (But the cover still recalls Perez with the JLA members in the back looking mournful.)

[Paul McEnery]

I'm not so sure about that. It would be fair to guess that a good number of comic artists are aping the pose from other comic artists (especially going by all the Perez tributes at the link). In any case I think the pose's overuse has been completely destroyed in terms of its effectiveness as far as comic covers go, even if Cliff Chiang did go back to the original. (But the cover still recalls Perez with the JLA members in the back looking mournful.)

I suppose it's too much to hope for Marvel to go for One: Number 31, 1950 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pollock31.jpg). And have it be an accurate description of what happens to their universe.

[Paul McEnery]

I'm not so sure about that. It would be fair to guess that a good number of comic artists are aping the pose from other comic artists (especially going by all the Perez tributes at the link). In any case I think the pose's overuse has been completely destroyed in terms of its effectiveness as far as comic covers go, even if Cliff Chiang did go back to the original. (But the cover still recalls Perez with the JLA members in the back looking mournful.)

BTW, Starlin makes quite a nice job of actually thieving off Michaelangelo for the Death of Captain Marvel, don't you think?

[Adam C]

I suppose it's too much to hope for Marvel to go for One: Number 31, 1950 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pollock31.jpg). And have it be an accurate description of what happens to their universe.

Wait...

...just the Marvel Universe?

[Adam C]

BTW, Starlin makes quite a nice job of actually thieving off Michaelangelo for the Death of Captain Marvel, don't you think?

Okay he does it well...even if he cheats massively by doing it before everyone else had run the whole concept into the ground.

[the4thpip]

Vaguely related, just been announced that the new Outsiders creative team is changing. Also, the cover has switched Boomerang and Catwoman for Green Arrow and Batgirl.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133176

Bedard was the only reason I was getting the book. :(

[Jack Zodiac]

Dixon on Outsiders? That's actually pretty cool. I love Dixon's Batman.

[Sarah Beach]

Cripes. His second book would be something not on my current pull (or intended pull) list! And I was trying to be frugal!



(Yeah, you'd think he'd give his board moderator a heads up, but not so. He keeps his cards close. Don't play poker with Dixon! ;) )

[Jack Zodiac]

Someone over at the DC forum posted this:

Part 1 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71175/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-one.html)
Part 2 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71176/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-two.html)
Part 3 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71177/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-three.html)

Not quite as hilarious as Sean's All-Star Batman and Robin, but still pretty funny.

[Chris Hansbrough]

Vaguely related, just been announced that the new Outsiders creative team is changing. Also, the cover has switched Boomerang and Catwoman for Green Arrow and Batgirl.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133176

*smashes head against a brick wall*

[Chris Hansbrough]

Someone over at the DC forum posted this:

Part 1 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71175/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-one.html)
Part 2 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71176/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-two.html)
Part 3 (http://comicsnexus.insidepulse.com/articles/71177/2007/10/15/looking-to-the-stars--green-arrowblack-canary-1-redeux--part-three.html)

Not quite as hilarious as Sean's All-Star Batman and Robin, but still pretty funny.

the travis morgan line at the end made me bust out laughing. I could always go for some more real travis morgan. because honestly...I wouldn't put it past Judd to do that and then they have to go to skataris in search of ollie who actually turns out to be everyones favorite shapeshifting cat who takes them to underwaterland where olie is a squid dude and it actually is Ollie so we get treated to some tentacle porn........yeah.....that sounds more like Judd

[Jack Zodiac]

Oh, man, if it turned out to be Warlord, that'd be fuckin' sweet! Because, y'know, someone better didn't make that joke before. "I don't know what you've been doing to piss all these people off, but stop it!"