Rob Liefeld shoots on Alan Moore

[Perry Holley]

Alan just wants to get paid more money, that’s it. Sorry Alan. I got my body of work out of Alan Moore, he doesn’t intimidate me, I don’t put him on a pedestal like Jack Kirby and Frank Miller,. He’s just a guy who wants to get paid

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/ill-lyteracy/rob-liefeld-shoots-on-alan-moo/

Rob's words might have more impact if he had even the slightest bit of credibility left...

[howyadoin]

Rob's words might have more impact if he had even the slightest bit of credibility left...I dunno, plenty of people in the industry still seem to want to work with the guy, and gush about his "art".

I'm not sayin' they aren't idiots, but still...

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

And I thought the thing with Rags Morales was one-sided...

[Paul McEnery]

He’s just a guy who wants to get paid


Why, yes, Rob. Unlike Jack and Frank, you owe Alan money. Like a lot of people to whom you owe money.

[Charles RB]

And that's why saying "he's a guy who wants to get paid" seemed like a really odd thing for Rob to do.

[DonC]

“He’s brilliant, but to me I think he’s been revealed as someone who’s spiraled wildly out of control. Like, he had a falling out with Wildstorm, you know, he’s having another falling out with DC, he won’t work for Marvel. At some point you put yourself on line and go, well, gee, Alan, is it everyone else, or is it you?”

That actually makes a little bit of sense.

The rest, well, who doesn't want to get paid for their work?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Funniest line in this:


Originally Posted by Rob Liefeld
"He once called us up to tell us that he had just been in the dream realm and talking to Socrates and Shakespeare, and to Moses, dead serious, and that they talked for what seemed to be months, but when he woke up, only an evening had passed, and he came up with these great ideas. And I’m tellin’ ya, I think it’s shtick, dude. I think it’s all shtick. I’m gonna start saying that stuff. Cuz you know what? It makes you instantly interesting. Like 'O yeah, last night I was hanging out with Socrates. Came to me in a dream. We played poker . We dropped acid.' That’s the kinda stuff Alan would say all the time, and he’d say 'Oh, I’ve been practicing dark magic.'”

Ok love or hate Rob Lefield but this is funny to read.

[niall mc cann]

I don't know Alan Moore, i don't pretend to, so i can't say what kind of a guy he is. He always seemed genuine enough in his beliefs to me.

I do not have enough respect for Rob Liefield to take his opinion seriously on this, or any other of a long list of subjects. I mean, I don't know Rob either, but I continue to live in stunned disbelief that he seems capable of stringing coherent sentences together.

"He wants to get paid." Well duh, Rob.

[J. Robb]

Alan Moore a "guy who just wants to get paid"?? God knows much in film royalties he's turned down.

While almost every other pro in the comic business desperately wants to get some of that movie money, Moore is the one who has no interest in "getting paid".

[Agent Helix]

I think he wants to get paid what he's owed, though. That's always nice.

[Spackling Compound]

Funniest line in this:



Ok love or hate Rob Lefield but this is funny to read.

If Leifield's art can even come to a brushstroke of gravity like the weakest issue of TOP 10, then I don't care if Leifelds been speaking to the spirits of Vishnu, Lola Falana and Jim Henson, he should do more!

[J. Robb]

I think he wants to get paid what he's owed, though. That's always nice.
Yeah, definitely. But Moore is one guy who I don't think can be characterized as in it for the money.

[Agent Helix]

Incidentally, I originally thought this thread was about the weirdest bukkake ever.

[Sir Tim Drake]

I was playing poker with Socrates last night. Only we didn't actually do much playing, because he kept asking me all these leading questions:

AARON. Well, I think I'll fold.
SOCRATES: Hold on a minute, my young friend. You cannot fold unless you understand what folding means.
AARON. Really?
SOCRATES: Indeed. For you agree, don't you, that no one can do a thing unless he knows what he is doing?
AARON: No. I mean yes.
SOCRATES: For example, if you wanted to go fishing, but you didn't know what fishing was, would you succeed or fail?
AARON: Fail, of course.
SOCRATES: Therefore, in order to fold, you must first understand the meaning of "folding."
AARON: That is a fair statement.
SOCRATES: So let us try to explain what folding means. When you fold your poker hand, are you doing the same thing as when you fold a piece of paper?

...and it went on like that for quite a while. It got quite annoying. I'm not surprised that his neighbors had him executed.

[Agent Helix]

You think that's bad? Word of advice. NEVER PLAY CRAPS WITH SOCRATES.

[niall mc cann]

I was playing poker with Socrates last night. Only we didn't actually do much playing, because he kept asking me all these leading questions:



...and it went on like that for quite a while. It got quite annoying. I'm not surprised that his neighbors had him executed.

Actually, I was playing poker last night too.

Not with Socrates, but one of my mates does a routine not unlike that through the game.:mad:

It doesn't make it funner.:D

[Zero Hunter]

Yeah, definitely. But Moore is one guy who I don't think can be characterized as in it for the money.

They are all in it for the money. Every last one of them. If he wasn't he would not get into such big fights and pissing matches with everyone he has ever worked with. Moore is no different from any other writer.

[Tadhg Adams]

They are all in it for the money. Every last one of them. If he wasn't he would not get into such big fights and pissing matches with everyone he has ever worked with. Moore is no different from any other writer.

That's a broad brush.

[niall mc cann]

They are all in it for the money. Every last one of them. If he wasn't he would not get into such big fights and pissing matches with everyone he has ever worked with. Moore is no different from any other writer.

Well, they're no different from anyone else working for a living, surely?:confused:

[Spike-X]

Moore is no different from any other writer.

Well, apart from the whole being a fucking genius thing.

[Spike-X]

Well, they're no different from anyone else working for a living, surely?:confused:
Exactly. Alan Moore is no different from a bricklayer, plumber, or nursery worker.

Don't you just love it when mediocre people have to try and drag down those more talented than them, because they know they can never be on the same level otherwise?

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Fuck Socrates . I played pool with Elvis Presley and smoked weed with John Lennon last night. We had a good time. Lennon kept wanting to talk about Yoko and it was a real drag since we had some honeys with us.

[Sean Whitmore]

They are all in it for the money. Every last one of them.

And they all piss away that money on food and shelter and bullshit like that.

Assholes.


If he wasn't he would not get into such big fights and pissing matches with everyone he has ever worked with.

Yeah, remember when he got in that big fight about the Constantine movie? When that greedy bastard demanded that he didn't receive a dime and all the money go to the artists instea--

Whoops! I was trying to support your argument, and I accidentally destroyed it. Sorry about that.


SEAN

[Chris Nowlin]

Alan Moore just went from being my favourite writer to one whose work I'll never buy.

I had no idea he expected people to pay him the money they owed him. None!

Here, I thought he was this genius, but, really, he's a genius looking to get paid for his work.

I hope nobody tells me the nice people who sweep up the movie theatre after I'm done are also there for money, not altruism, because that would shatter my whole worldview.

[Chris Nowlin]

Like, he had a falling out with Wildstorm, you know, he’s having another falling out with DC, he won’t work for Marvel. At some point you put yourself on line and go, well, gee, Alan, is it everyone else, or is it you?

Seriously, Alan. When you think two different giant multimedia corporations have no interest in art or honor, you have to wonder if you're just seeing things that aren't there. Maybe it's not the ruthless businessmen, Alan! Maybe it's you!

[Sean Whitmore]

Seriously, Alan. When you think two different giant multimedia corporations have no interest in art or honor, you have to wonder if you're just seeing things that aren't there. Maybe it's not the ruthless businessmen, Alan! Maybe it's you!

I dunno, I think he has a point.

I could buy one comic company stepping on its employees in the interests of profit.

But TWO?

Uh-uh. That dog won't hunt, monsignor.

I mean cripes, is this America or is it HELL?


SEAN

[matthewaos]

...says the guy who did this:

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3692/c4p741n4m3r1c4ig1.jpg

can't find the other half, but I think everyone knows what I'm talking about. Morre wants to be paid for his job, and they PAY LIEFELD TO DRAW COMICS< ARE THOSE GUYS INSANE??????

[J. Robb]

They are all in it for the money. Every last one of them. If he wasn't he would not get into such big fights and pissing matches with everyone he has ever worked with. Moore is no different from any other writer.
Moore turns down credit and payment for the films based on his work. How many writers do that?

[Tobias March]

I have Oscar Wilde on speed-dial. I walk Samuel Johnson's dog each and every Tuesday. Saturdays I play backgammon with the Warren Commission.

[Spackling Compound]

Alan Moore just went from being my favourite writer to one whose work I'll never buy.

I had no idea he expected people to pay him the money they owed him. None!

Here, I thought he was this genius, but, really, he's a genius looking to get paid for his work.

I hope nobody tells me the nice people who sweep up the movie theatre after I'm done are also there for money, not altruism, because that would shatter my whole worldview.

You're trying to turn this into another McEnery thread aren't you?....

[mattx110]

You're trying to turn this into another McEnery thread aren't you?....
every thread is a paul mcenery thread. we just amuse him with our "community", as if there's some kind of mutual benefit for us all using it. it's all about paul.

i think the thesis of liefeld's statement is, alan moore comes off as a crazy genius, but he's really a regular guy who works for income and likes books... did i mess up somewhere, or do i agree with rob liefeld on something?
i don't know if i'm missing the tone, but nothing he says here sounds controversial.

[Jack Zodiac]

I do not have enough respect for Rob Liefield to take his opinion seriously on this, or any other of a long list of subjects.

This implies you take Rob seriously at all, in any capacity, which is just a bad idea in general. I don't even take his art seriously anymore. I used to assume it was just his "style," but someone doesn't go on this long, with that much valid criticism, without adapting his style. I think that is his real schtick. He doesn't have to steal Alan Moore and Grant Morrison's crazy New Age magic horseshit, he has his craptacular art. All he has to do is say, "No, man, you don't understand. My art is real. It's real fucking life! You, me, that guy over that, that women walking down the street, everyone looks like this to me."

At least then he'd be more interesting than a just raving, untalented artist. He'd be a raving, untalented artist who justified his horrible art with something almost as kooky as Moore's philosophical dream orgies.

[howyadoin]

every thread is a paul mcenery thread. we just amuse him with our "community", as if there's some kind of mutual benefit for us all using it. it's all about paul.

i think the thesis of liefeld's statement is, alan moore comes off as a crazy genius, but he's really a regular guy who works for income and likes books... did i mess up somewhere, or do i agree with rob liefeld on something?
i don't know if i'm missing the tone, but nothing he says here sounds controversial.You don't think the implication that Moore apparently doesn't deserve to get paid because he's weird is controversial?

[Cei-U!]

If Leifield's art can even come to a brushstroke of gravity like the weakest issue of TOP 10, then I don't care if Leifelds been speaking to the spirits of Vishnu, Lola Falana and Jim Henson, he should do more!

Lola Falana is dead?!? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Cei-U!
I summon the sexy Seventies chanteuse!

[Michael P]

I like how Rob says "Life's too short" to draw a script that requires he learn to accurately portray emotion, nuance, and the human form.

[Matt Algren]

Incidentally, I originally thought this thread was about the weirdest bukkake ever.
Me too.

Consider my disappointment. Rob's so dreamy in his Levi's.

[howyadoin]

I like how Rob says "Life's too short" to draw a script that requires he learn to accurately portray emotion, nuance, and the human form.I think he meant life's too short to hire someone else and then not pay them.

[Sean Whitmore]

I like how Rob says "Life's too short" to draw a script that requires he learn to accurately portray emotion, nuance, and the human form.

I think he's being literal.

He's really trying to learn, but at the rate he's going, it'll take him another hundred years.

So life really is too short.


SEAN

[mattx110]

I like how Rob says "Life's too short" to draw a script that requires he learn to accurately portray emotion, nuance, and the human form.

but he was looking in a window at a guy in a mirror! i can picture in my head how will eisner would do it (to the best of my ability to understand will eisner) and it's a pretty nice composition. comic artists should be problem solvers. even if it takes two panels for 1 action, which i'm sure alan moore wouldn't mind if it's necessary.

[Matt Algren]

That was a weird, rambling little interview. My favorite part is the last line. "I have no intention of working with him again."

Well, no shit.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Rob doesn't even have a company to really employ anyone anymore does he ? I'm sure dissin Alan Moore will have those creators knockin your door down to work if you do get a company back again.

[howyadoin]

That was a weird, rambling little interview. My favorite part is the last line. "I have no intention of working with him again."

Well, no shit.Yeah, I don't think he has to worry about that possibility.

[Spike-X]

That was a weird, rambling little interview. My favorite part is the last line. "I have no intention of working with him again."

Well, no shit.
Sounds like a guy saying, "Yeah, I don't think I'll be having sex with her again" after she dumps his ass.

[Indigo Al]

Whooo god. Liefeld's a tool.

This is what kills me:

Although we didn’t have a falling out with him. He just stopped working with us, because he now wanted to invest in his new universe with Wildstorm comics, and again, like I said, OOPS! That went up in flames. He gives 'temperamental artist' a new meaning.”

Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but wasn't the reason he stopped working for Liefeld the fact that AWESOME WENT BANKRUPT???

And ABC may have ended due to Moore's temperament, but it was hardly "up in flames" - his work there was artistically some of his best and lasted for a long time.

[howyadoin]

"Originally Posted by Tool"

That was awesome.

[Matt Algren]

Whooo god. Liefeld's a tool.

This is what kills me:



Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but wasn't the reason he stopped working for Liefeld the fact that AWESOME WENT BANKRUPT???

And ABC may have ended due to Moore's temperament, but it was hardly "up in flames" - his work there was artistically some of his best and lasted for a long time.
Unless I remember incorrectly, he "stopped working" for Liefeld because Liefeld "stopped paying" him.

Shocking, I know.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I love Lefield puts it that Alan Moore seemingly bullied him to write more and more books. I mean at what point aren't you a boss and say no ? That you can't afford it . Coming from this story its like Rob was in AWE of Moore and couldn't say no to him and basically when he owed him $$$ at the end he blamed Moore for it.

[Chris Nowlin]

Like, he had a falling out with Wildstorm, you know, he’s having another falling out with DC, he won’t work for Marvel. At some point you put yourself on line and go, well, gee, Alan, is it everyone else, or is it you?

Vaguely recalling unsubstantiated rumours from the past that make this statement even more amusing.

Didn't Liefeld and Marvel fight about Heroes Reborn causing him to leave in a huff or get fired or something?

Didn't Diamond and Liefeld argue a bit about him not getting any books out on time and they refused to stop carrying his stuff?

I forget details but I'm almost certain Liefeld has gotten in a tiff or two with companies and other comic creators that make that statement a tad hypocritical in addition to being moronic.

[Donald M.]

I forget details but I'm almost certain Liefeld has gotten in a tiff or two with companies and other comic creators that make that statement a tad hypocritical in addition to being moronic.

What do you expect? Liefeld's a moron.

[Tadhg Adams]

Vaguely recalling unsubstantiated rumours from the past that make this statement even more amusing.

Didn't Liefeld and Marvel fight about Heroes Reborn causing him to leave in a huff or get fired or something?

Didn't Diamond and Liefeld argue a bit about him not getting any books out on time and they refused to stop carrying his stuff?

I forget details but I'm almost certain Liefeld has gotten in a tiff or two with companies and other comic creators that make that statement a tad hypocritical in addition to being moronic.

Liefeld has even had tiffs with Quebecor. He beats Moore hands down.

[howyadoin]

Liefeld has even had tiffs with Quebecor.I've dealt with their Vancouver office. They're not exactly the pinnacle of business ethics, technical expertise or quality printing.

[niall mc cann]

Unless I remember incorrectly, he "stopped working" for Liefeld because Liefeld "stopped paying" him.

Shocking, I know.

That made me laugh out loud.:D

It's just... when you see it spelled out like that...

[matthewaos]

Does anyone remember the revengers? I will give $1000 to anyone that can't see the copy/paste of every known charachter...

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/29979/2005205364090549672_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005205364090549672)

Here's a link to a forum to see the explanation...

[matthewaos]

My favorite is the mighty Thong (Geez, he could have said it is Thor, you know, he is god, you can have a licence for him... It's like using God, and Monty Pythons want money)

[king mob]

Seriously, Alan. When you think two different giant multimedia corporations have no interest in art or honor, you have to wonder if you're just seeing things that aren't there. Maybe it's not the ruthless businessmen, Alan! Maybe it's you!

To be fair, this is the only criticism that Liefeld has that contains some sort of validity. Moore's complaints with Marvel goes back 25 years, involves Moore being a bit of a cock to Alan Davis, dodgy contracts with Dez Skinn & general incompentance and ignorance all round.

This aside Liefeld is talking bollocks. He forgets that his work with Moore gave him a respectability he never had previously or since. I've actually though Liefeld was an easy target for comic fans to moan about but moaning about a man complaining about his not be paid is pretty low & deserving of the slagging he's getting.

[king mob]

Does anyone remember the revengers? I will give $1000 to anyone that can't see the copy/paste of every known charachter...

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/29979/2005205364090549672_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005205364090549672)

Here's a link to a forum to see the explanation...

Did that bollocks ever get published?

[DanielSchenstrom]

Actually, I'm not 100 per cent sure of the small guy below Scarlet Witch Copy Girl. (And she should apply to Legion of Super Heroes with a name like that.)

[Michael P]

Actually, I'm not 100 per cent sure of the small guy below Scarlet Witch Copy Girl. (And she should apply to Legion of Super Heroes with a name like that.)

That's Troll. He's a Wolverine rip-off.

[Shellhead]

Rob Liefeld just can't stand the fact that Curt Vile is a better artist.

[stealthwise]

My concern here is that of the possible parental relationship between Moore and Liefeld that Rob feels was shattered when Moore refused to continue working with him. If you read between the lines, the entire situation isn't about money for Rob, it's about that reciprocal respect that two adult males can share with each other (without being, you know, gay), that Rob never had when he was a young man. Remember, Rob was only 18 years old when he broke into "the biz," and he immediately took Todd McFarlane as a mentor and spiritual guide. Perhaps it was even Todd's duty at the time to help initiate and guide Rob into the world of physical sexuality.

With Rob's exile from the warm, embracing cocoon of Image, he was left to his devices, a helpless man-child, until Moore's gnosticism perhaps later counter-balanced that "rock star" decadence that the early Image creators purportedly partook in for so many years in the early 1990s. As such, once it became clear to Rob that the relationship between himself and Moore was strictly feduciary, he found himself wondering what potential positives he was gaining from the relationship, and thus, decided to cut all ties, leaving him alone and bitter.

Like a former failed pro athlete, or a child actor, who was billed to be a top star at a young age, only to find his promise frittered away under the pressures and demands of an audience far too impatient and critical to see true innovation and genius, Liefeld has become the poster boy for all of those fans who are far too bitter to embrace his "laisse faire" style of artistic revolution, a style that once compelled Moore to take the young lad under his wing as a protege. It is the breaking of that mentor/protege bond, that familial connection, that tears as Rob's heart-strings so consistently and harshly, a feeling that we can at least identify with, if not embrace.

In a way, aren't we all Rob Liefeld?

[matthewaos]

Did that bollocks ever get published?

As far as I know yeah, from Liefeld's publishing company. Didn't last more than 3 issues I think. I was searching for it for a year or two, and then I found a comic shop who HAD it, but sold it to some kids. What a shame...

[OverMaster]

I was searching for it for a year or two, and then I found a comic shop who HAD it, but sold it to some kids. What a shame...

Yeah, poor unsuspecting children...

[hangmanjury]

I love how Rob says that Alan never did anything in between 1990 and 1996.

Nope, just a CIA expose that actually got his house put under surveillance.

Ooh, or what about that sleeper hit with Oscar Zarate that had nothing to do with superheroes, and got all kinds of acclaim?

And his book, which also got all kinds of acclaim and went into a second printing with beautiful Jose Villarubia work?

Or, I dunno, the first two books of what would later become a 75 dollar porno, which I would daresay sells mostly on Moore's name? (How many people can say that, other than maybe Traci Lords?)

Or, uh, that book he never finished, but the plot of which frightens other writers, Neil Gaiman included, and might finish as a TV series?

Or, HEY! How about that one that got made into a movie with Johnny Depp and is now being taught in college courses throughout the world?

Geezus, Rob, get your facts straight. The man wants to get paid? Well, DUH. He did work, you pay him.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

I love how Rob says that Alan never did anything in between 1990 and 1996.

Nope, just a CIA expose that actually got his house put under surveillance.

Ooh, or what about that sleeper hit with Oscar Zarate that had nothing to do with superheroes, and got all kinds of acclaim?

And his book, which also got all kinds of acclaim and went into a second printing with beautiful Jose Villarubia work?

Or, I dunno, the first two books of what would later become a 75 dollar porno, which I would daresay sells mostly on Moore's name? (How many people can say that, other than maybe Traci Lords?)

Or, uh, that book he never finished, but the plot of which frightens other writers, Neil Gaiman included, and might finish as a TV series?

Or, HEY! How about that one that got made into a movie with Johnny Depp and is now being taught in college courses throughout the world?

Geezus, Rob, get your facts straight. The man wants to get paid? Well, DUH. He did work, you pay him.

Robbo has about as much use for facts as he does recognizable human facial expressions.

[DonC]

Does anyone remember the revengers? I will give $1000 to anyone that can't see the copy/paste of every known charachter...

http://aycu20.webshots.com/image/29979/2005205364090549672_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2005205364090549672)

Here's a link to a forum to see the explanation...



I don't know who the dude getting his head blown off is. Just make the check out to cash. I'll PM you my address.

[matthewaos]

I don't know who the dude getting his head blown off is. Just make the check out to cash. I'll PM you my address.

ok, you got me!

[Charles RB]

In a way, aren't we all Rob Liefeld?

No. I'm actually competent at work.

[Drew Van T.]

I don't know who the dude getting his head blown off is.

Speaking of which, how bizarre (but normal for Liefeld, I suppose) that Thor's hammer is drilling itself through the guy's head with the handle going in first. It couldn't be the other way round, because the hammerhead is way too large to have passed through that hole.

[GRANT!]

I think Rob does have a point about Moore's persona being a form of self promotion. Moore like a lot writers tries to create a mystique around himself. But then again so does Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman and Stan Lee. So it's not out of the ordinary. And it doesn't take away from the fact these are creative talented individuals..

Though I don't think Moore made any allusions that his Image work wasn't mainly done for the money. And Rob is obviously smoking crack if he thinks Moore hit his current creative peak with Supreme. Tom Strong, Promethea and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen were much more inspired mainstream works. Supreme had some cool ideas but the art was all over the place in that book and it never really went further then a really good Superman story (which is a rare thing).

[Chris Nowlin]

No. I'm actually competent at work.

I also have bothered to learn a thing or two about what I do.

[Adam C]

I think Rob does have a point about Moore's persona being a form of self promotion. Moore like a lot writers tries to create a mystique around himself. But then again so does Grant Morrison, Neil Gaiman and Stan Lee. So it's not out of the ordinary. And it doesn't take away from the fact these are creative talented individuals.

Possibly, though I've always found that Moore, even when talking about things like summoning a demon, comes across as incredibly down-to-Earth in his interviews. (Especially if compared with Morrison's interviews...not a knock on Morrison.)

[Adam C]

I don't know who the dude getting his head blown off is. Just make the check out to cash. I'll PM you my address.

I remember seeing preview pages for this awhile back. A page preceding the one that was posted showed the victim to be a M. Bison rip-off.

[Spackling Compound]

Here's a link to a forum to see the explanation...

Where's the link? I'd like to see that explanation.

[Matt Algren]

That's Troll. He's a Wolverine rip-off.
I believe this is what the kids call a 'nerd trap'.


And it's sprung.

[Spike-X]

I love how Rob says that Alan never did anything in between 1990 and 1996.

Nope, just a CIA expose that actually got his house put under surveillance.

Ooh, or what about that sleeper hit with Oscar Zarate that had nothing to do with superheroes, and got all kinds of acclaim?

And his book, which also got all kinds of acclaim and went into a second printing with beautiful Jose Villarubia work?

Or, I dunno, the first two books of what would later become a 75 dollar porno, which I would daresay sells mostly on Moore's name? (How many people can say that, other than maybe Traci Lords?)

Or, uh, that book he never finished, but the plot of which frightens other writers, Neil Gaiman included, and might finish as a TV series?

Or, HEY! How about that one that got made into a movie with Johnny Depp and is now being taught in college courses throughout the world?

Geezus, Rob, get your facts straight. The man wants to get paid? Well, DUH. He did work, you pay him.
Well of course, what Rob means is that Moore didn't do anything important during that time, i.e. work-for-hire superhero comics.

[Paul McEnery]

every thread is a paul mcenery thread. we just amuse him with our "community", as if there's some kind of mutual benefit for us all using it. it's all about paul.

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Come together, right now, over...

No, not literally, you bastards.

[Chris Nowlin]

I danced to that song on Friday!







Not well, of course

[Paul McEnery]

I danced to that song on Friday!







Not well, of course

Hmm. Was your dancing better or worse than Liefeld's art?

[Pro]

In a way, aren't we all Rob Liefeld?

No, i know anatomy, thank you very much.

[Chris Nowlin]

Hmm. Was your dancing better or worse than Liefeld's art?

I know nothing about the fundamentals of dancing, can't move in tune with a beat, and am not particularly pleasant to watch while dancing. But I enjoyed myself and those I was with were having fun as well.

So, for the most part I think we're about equivalent, but I nudge ahead of him because of heart.

[Paul McEnery]

I know nothing about the fundamentals of dancing, can't move in tune with a beat, and am not particularly pleasant to watch while dancing. But I enjoyed myself and those I was with were having fun as well.

So, for the most part I think we're about equivalent, but I nudge ahead of him because of heart.

So, similar ideas about anatomy, then.

[Chris Nowlin]

So, similar ideas about anatomy, then.

That said, people dancing in the background looked proportionately smaller, so there's a difference.

[Paul McEnery]

That said, people dancing in the background looked proportionately smaller, so there's a difference.

Around you...

No, that's too cheap even for me.

[macul]

Does anyone remember the revengers? I will give $1000 to anyone that can't see the copy/paste of every known charachter...

Here's a link to a forum to see the explanation...

That's a joke, right? Liefeld was just having a bit of fun, right?

[Solaris]

Alan just wants to get paid more money, that’s it. Sorry Alan. I got my body of work out of Alan Moore, he doesn’t intimidate me, I don’t put him on a pedestal like Jack Kirby and Frank Miller,. He’s just a guy who wants to get paid

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/ill-lyteracy/rob-liefeld-shoots-on-alan-moo/

Rob's words might have more impact if he had even the slightest bit of credibility left...

May I say that, with your thread title, the first thing that came to mind had strong homosexual bedroom connotations...

:D

[howyadoin]

That's a joke, right? Liefeld was just having a bit of fun, right?Nnnnope.

.

[hangmanjury]

I vaguely remember this from back in the day (Whoa, ten years ago...), but when Awesome went belly up, didn't Rob have a choice to keep two titles published? And if I remember right, instead of Supreme or Youngblood or Glory, didn't Rob pick the Mark (by Will and Jada Smith), and... uh... Rob, the comic about, uh, himself?

I don't remember though, but it'd be so funny if that were the case.

[hangmanjury]

May I say that, with your thread title, the first thing that came to mind had strong homosexual bedroom connotations...

:D
"Shoot" is a term generally used in pro wrestling when someone breaks character and it all "becomes real." Generally, a shoot only happens or is noteworthy when someone is saying something bad about someone, so even though it's not really applicable in terms of real world stuff, the connotation's there.

[Froggy]

And I thought the thing with Rags Morales was one-sided... what thing with Rags?

Fuck Socrates . I played pool with Elvis Presley and smoked weed with John Lennon last night. We had a good time. Lennon kept wanting to talk about Yoko and it was a real drag since we had some honeys with us.
shiiiiiiiiit,. I played basketball with wilt chamberlain but had to stop cause he kept making passes at my moms. I was like "MAN FORGET YOU!
My favorite is the mighty Thong (Geez, he could have said it is Thor, you know, he is god, you can have a licence for him... It's like using God, and Monty Pythons want money)
Thong?


THONG!?

did Sisqo have something to do with this?
To be fair, this is the only criticism that Liefeld has that contains some sort of validity. Moore's complaints with Marvel goes back 25 years, involves Moore being a bit of a cock to Alan Davis, dodgy contracts with Dez Skinn & general incompentance and ignorance all round.

This aside Liefeld is talking bollocks. He forgets that his work with Moore gave him a respectability he never had previously or since. I've actually though Liefeld was an easy target for comic fans to moan about but moaning about a man complaining about his not be paid is pretty low & deserving of the slagging he's getting.

what did he do to alan davis? hwo oculd anyone be a dick to alan davis?

[matthewaos]

Where's the link? I'd like to see that explanation.

I found it here:

http://z8.invisionfree.com/Superdickery_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1458&st=100

I hope it's just for fun, I mean it can't be serious, but I think it was not...

[macul]

Nnnnope.

.

So the dope was actually trying to publish a title that was a blatant ripoff?

[Karl H]

I hope this thread wins a corrie.

It's absolutely hilarious. Keep it up people!

[Alex L]

"Shoot" is a term generally used in pro wrestling when someone breaks character and it all "becomes real." Generally, a shoot only happens or is noteworthy when someone is saying something bad about someone, so even though it's not really applicable in terms of real world stuff, the connotation's there.

To be honest, I was kind of surprised to see a 'rasslin term in the Comm forum (or at least in the topic title).

Not everyone knows their kayfabe-related terms.

[matthewaos]

So the dope was actually trying to publish a title that was a blatant ripoff?

guess so...

[Alan2099]

The "original" Revengers comic was something Rob made way back when he was in junior high, and it was even more blatant, in fact, I don't think he was caopying characters as much as he was outright using them, but he was just a young enthusiastic kid back then. I have a feeling the newer Revengers was just him going back and actually making somthing out of his old fanfic comics just for fun.

Even stranger, before Liefeld adopted his current style, he used to draw like Fred Hembeck, which may explain the poor anatomy.

[The Beast Of Yucca Flats]

what thing with Rags?

This thing with Rags:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4226994

[Cei-U!]

"Shoot" is a term generally used in pro wrestling when someone breaks character and it all "becomes real." Generally, a shoot only happens or is noteworthy when someone is saying something bad about someone, so even though it's not really applicable in terms of real world stuff, the connotation's there.

And here I assumed "shoots" was a substitute for "shits" used to get around the "no profanity in thread titles" rule...

Cei-U!
Learns something new every day!

[Dr. Hfuhruhurr]

This thing with Rags:

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?p=4226994

This is six ways to awesome:

RagsM (http://forum.newsarama.com/member.php?u=7789069) vbmenu_register(&quot;postmenu_4227091&quot;, true);



Quote:
Originally Posted by rob liefeld
Color me shaking in my boots.

If I reacted to everyone who cracked on my work, I guess I'D BE YOU


Look me up at the next show Rag.


Nah, you react to fans like it's personal. I don't.

But chump hacks? No way.

Give up your P.T. Barnum skullduggery and do something useful... like work.

I don't appreciate you bringing up my name negatively to draw attention to yourself.

And as far as being me? I'm sure you'd lop off your right hand at the wrist to be me. If you knew what a wrist looks like.

[Matt Algren]

This is six ways to awesome:
Yeah, I like the last part. Beautifully done.

[matthewaos]

And as far as being me? I'm sure you'd lop off your right hand at the wrist to be me. If you knew what a wrist looks like.

This is the quote of the year I think, considering Liefelds perspective about anatomy... Oh, and I found the cap picture, for those who don't know...

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/29689/2003871800478426645_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003871800478426645)

[Matt Algren]

This is the quote of the year I think, considering Liefelds perspective about anatomy... Oh, and I found the cap picture, for those who don't know...

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/29689/2003871800478426645_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003871800478426645)

Someone here, I forget who, had this as an avatar. I just had to download it.

37090

[matthewaos]

Someone here, I forget who, had this as an avatar. I just had to download it.

37090

HAHAHAHAHA this is just great!!!!!!

[king mob]

As far as I know yeah, from Liefeld's publishing company. Didn't last more than 3 issues I think. I was searching for it for a year or two, and then I found a comic shop who HAD it, but sold it to some kids. What a shame...


Dear god, he actually published it & people bought it. I really don't know what's worse.

[king mob]

Nope, just a CIA expose that actually got his house put under surveillance.

It's an urban myth that Brought To Light brought the full force of the CIA down upon Moore. In reality nothing at all interesting happened.

Ooh, or what about that sleeper hit with Oscar Zarate that had nothing to do with superheroes, and got all kinds of acclaim?

A Small Killing really is worth revisiting or searching out if you've never read it.

[OverMaster]

Someone here, I forget who, had this as an avatar. I just had to download it.

37090

Hmm, that'd be me.

*Hangs head down in shame*

[Matt Algren]

Hmm, that'd be me.

*Hangs head down in shame*
---Golf clap---

[Michael P]

Hmm, that'd be me.

*Hangs head down in shame*

Say 10 Our Kirbys and buy something by Grant Morrison.

Go, and sin no more.

[Sean Walsh]

Dear god, he actually published it & people bought it. I really don't know what's worse.

Comic stores stocking it?

[king mob]

what did he do to alan davis? hwo oculd anyone be a dick to alan davis?

Moore was. The short version was that after a number of years working together on things like Captain Britain, Marvelman & 2000AD Moore & Davis had moved beyond a 'writer & an 'artist', & Davis was becoming more heavily involved with writing making their working relationship much more of a colaboration than it was when they first started.
This caused some strain as Moore still insisted on being credited as the sole writer on their work. Things went really tits up when Marvel US reprinted (without being aware of the complicated contracts used by Marvel UK at the time) some of Moore's Marvel UK work without his permission. This caused Moore to refuse Marvel US to reprint his & Davis Captain Britain work, or allow Chris Claremont to use some of Moore & Davis's characters in Uncanny X Men.

All of this caused Moore & Davis to have a massive falling out as Davis was apparently pretty skint at the time & needed the reprint money from Marvel US.

Things were apparently sorted out during the time when Quesada was trying to get Moore to work for Marvel, with characters like The Fury suddenly popping up in X Men.

[BoosterBronze]

To be honest, I was kind of surprised to see a 'rasslin term in the Comm forum (or at least in the topic title).

Not everyone knows their kayfabe-related terms.

At first glance I thought the title was "Rob Liefeld shoots Alan Moore." which would have been more interesting.

[Chris Nowlin]

The thing with Rags was hysterical.

[Ottmeister X]

Rob is still living off the fact that he did a Levi's commercial eons ago and he thought his bum looked good.

It amazing how you can witness most artists technique improve over their career. Rob has stayed Rob and still vomits onto the page.

Alan Moore reminds me of my dad: crabby old man. He does put out good stuff though.

[Rattlehead]

So I guess we can expect Rob to be calling Joe Casey a bitter hack who only wants money a few months after the Youngblood relaunch fizzles.

[howyadoin]

So the dope was actually trying to publish a title that was a blatant ripoff?"Ripoff"?

Please. It's an homage.

[Sean Walsh]

At first glance I thought the title was "Rob Liefeld shoots Alan Moore." which would have been more interesting.

Indeed. Because none of us are really sure if Alan Moore could actually be killed by....well, anything... :p

[Chris Nowlin]

"Ripoff"?

Please. It's an homage.

You're thinking of the other image subcompany.

This was awesome.

[Magneto_X]

At first glance I thought the title was "Rob Liefeld shoots Alan Moore." which would have been more interesting.

Like that would stop Alan Moore. He'd just resurrect himself and summon a demon to eat Rob's head. :D

[Froggy]

lmao

oh shit

rags dropped the BOMB!

[Solaris]

I believe this is what the kids call a 'nerd trap'.


And it's sprung.


Matt, I just noticed your avatar, and I have to say that THAT is the most brilliant depiction of "Shut up" I've ever seen. :D Cool.

[Solaris]

This is the quote of the year I think, considering Liefelds perspective about anatomy... Oh, and I found the cap picture, for those who don't know...

http://aycu10.webshots.com/image/29689/2003871800478426645_rs.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2003871800478426645)




You know what that pic reminds me of? Stories about people who had a twin in the womb, and the twin somehow got partially re-absorbed into their body, so there's some weird body part sticking out somewhere. If you added a head and neck to Cap's chest in that pic, it's look like he was standing right behind the person.

Are we sure Liefield isn't P.T. Barnum, reincarnated?

"Look! I've redrawn this hero BETTER! Now he has a "hidden twin" part!"

[matthewaos]

Well, yeah, Liefeld has this strange anatomy thing. I hope he says that it's his angle, that would be too hilarious!!! Anyway, I just can't think of Liefeld say anything for almost anyone, and I don't care what does Allan Moore do, even if he is the Devil himself. Point is that he has made several jobs that are considered masterpieces, whereas Liefeld say something "important", and random guys in a message board are making fun of him for 8 pages!

[howyadoin]

Are we sure Liefield isn't P.T. Barnum, reincarnated?Considering you'd have to be a sucker to buy anything from him, yeah, it's a definite possibility.

[Paul McEnery]

Considering you'd have to be a sucker to buy anything from him, yeah, it's a definite possibility.

Wasn't Barnum quite entertaining?

[Tobias March]

Wasn't Barnum quite entertaining?

There's entertainment to be found in Liefeld, just not in his work.

[captain_unimpressive]

Wasn't Barnum quite entertaining?

I think that if this were P.T. Barnum, he would be in Alan Moore's shoes, and Rob Liefeld would be fictional--Barnum would have been insulting himself under a pseudonym, jsut for the hype.

...Okay, maybe I just want Rob Liefeld to be fictional.

[fly on the wall]

If Leifield's art can even come to a brushstroke of gravity like the weakest issue of TOP 10, then I don't care if Leifelds been speaking to the spirits of Vishnu, Lola Falana and Jim Henson, he should do more!

Lola Falana is dead?

God I feel so old.

[Paul McEnery]

There's entertainment to be found in Liefeld, just not in his work.

Why, what have you been putting up Liefeld, then?

[Paul McEnery]

Lola Falana is dead?

God I feel so old.

Don't bother God about it. You're older than him, too.

[FunkyGreenJerusalem]

I don't even get why Rob's that weirded out by Moore saying he had a dream where he talked to Socrates - Phillip K Dick travelled through time, realised we were all living in a dream (times progression was just an illusion) as it was actually only fifty years since Jesus died, received medical advice from the apostles, and then met a race who looked like white cockroaches, occupied the same space as us (but were invisible to our eyes) and wanted to cross over to our reality so they could get to heaven.
Some say he also killed a cat with the power of his mind.
Hell after he died he kept the weirdness going by having someone steal his robotic head.
Now that's some fucked up stuff.
Meeting Socrates? Kids stuff.

(As a publisher, why did Liefield even care what the writer says? As long as he's writing, that's all you need.
Of course, he leaves out that he screwed up those books by putting Liefield style artists on the books instead of chasing Alan Moore's inbuilt audience - if the books didn't sell, yet other Alan Moore stuff did, you really have to look outside Alan for the reasons. Except for Spawn/Wildcats - he really didn't try on that one).

[Tobias March]

Why, what have you been putting up Liefeld, then?

Rodents. Mostly. Hours of fun.