Any post CW Pro-reg heroes families attacked?

[Scrapiron]

Have any of the pro-reg groups had loved ones attacked by villains? Haven't seen any, but I don't read all the titles. Seems most (all?) of the attacks have been against those who were against it.

[Madison Carter]

Have any of the pro-reg groups had loved ones attacked by villains? Haven't seen any, but I don't read all the titles. Seems most (all?) of the attacks have been against those who were against it.

Loved ones or just family?

*SPOILERS*
Tigra's mother has just been threatened if Tigra didn't cooperate with the Hood and his gang.

Also, Ultron took out Sentry's wife.

[SPJ]

1. Aunt May of course got shot.

2. The Sentry's wife got whacked by Ultron.

3. I seem to recall someone going after Spidey's ex Deb Whitman during the Civil War.

I'm sure there's more.

[Omega Alpha]

Happy Hogan was killed because of his close relationship with Tony, i think he counts as family too.

[Magneto Rocks]

Happy Hogan would indeed be an example, I think.

Not Aunt May so much, as Peter defected, thus taking the downside to his family (Publicity) but losing all the upside (Security).

[SPJ]

Happy Hogan would indeed be an example, I think.

Not Aunt May so much, as Peter defected, thus taking the downside to his family (Publicity) but losing all the upside (Security).


True but the reason the bad guys knew to target his loved ones was because of actions he took as a suppourter of the Registration act (the unmasking.)

[Magneto Rocks]

True but the reason the bad guys knew to target his loved ones was because of actions he took as a suppourter of the Registration act (the unmasking.)

True but had he STAYED pro-reg and STAYED supporting the registration act, the likelihood is his loved ones would have been fine.

[bulbasteve]

Well post CW the only one I can think of is Sentry's wife, but wasn't she alive in some other title?

[trickster]

Happy Hogan would indeed be an example, I think.

Not Aunt May so much, as Peter defected, thus taking the downside to his family (Publicity) but losing all the upside (Security).
Oh yeah? Seems being registered still isn't gonna do much. Just look at Tigra's mother.

[CMBMOOL]

Oh yeah? Seems being registered still isn't gonna do much. Just look at Tigra's mother.

Well that because unlike Iron Man and Spider-man, Tigra is a lower class heorine. :(

[Magneto Rocks]

Oh yeah? Seems being registered still isn't gonna do much. Just look at Tigra's mother.

And who's to say that she wouldn't be perfectly safe if Tigra availed of the resources available to her?

[Kevinroc]

And who's to say that she wouldn't be perfectly safe if Tigra availed of the resources available to her?

That didn't seem to help the Sentry's wife.

[Magneto Rocks]

That didn't seem to help the Sentry's wife.

On the other hand, it's doubtful that if he WASN'T registered, she would still be alive.

[Kevinroc]

On the other hand, it's doubtful that if he WASN'T registered, she would still be alive.

How do you know that, exactly?

[Omega Alpha]

On the other hand, it's doubtful that if he WASN'T registered, she would still be alive.

If he wasn't registered, he wouldn't be on the Mighty Avengers, therefore she would be alive.

[Magneto Rocks]

If he wasn't registered, he wouldn't be on the Mighty Avengers, therefore she would be alive.

If there was no SHRA, he'd still be in the New Avengers, therefore living in the same place, therefore she'd still be dead when Ultron came calling.


How do you know that, exactly?

Common sense, really. There's been nothing thus far to indicate ANYTHING in the SHRA caused Ultron to kill Sentry's wife.

I mean really, back at the start of Civil War, people were saying that all the identities being given to SHIELD meant tonnes of hero's families would be attacked but that has most certainly not been the case so far. The closest you could make a case for is The Hood, but how he knows is still up for speculation- Skrulls?

[DaeJi]

The amount of incidents of a hero's family being targeted by villains seems to me to be about what it was before Civil War. For the most part heroes are hard to really target, and are powerful. Family members remain a trump card in the villain's arsenal, and a lot of heroes are either public or do not protect their identities well.

[Kevinroc]

If there was no SHRA, he'd still be in the New Avengers, therefore living in the same place, therefore she'd still be dead when Ultron came calling.

If he was not registered and joined the New Avengers, he'd be hanging out with Dr. Strange and his wife wouldn't have been attacked when Ultron came.



Common sense, really. There's been nothing thus far to indicate ANYTHING in the SHRA caused Ultron to kill Sentry's wife.

I mean really, back at the start of Civil War, people were saying that all the identities being given to SHIELD meant tonnes of hero's families would be attacked but that has most certainly not been the case so far. The closest you could make a case for is The Hood, but how he knows is still up for speculation- Skrulls?

Ultron killed her because she was in Avengers Tower, the "symbol" of Tony Stark's new world order (this is obviously before Hulk knocked the building down). Tony's security just isn't all that secure.

[Magneto Rocks]

If he was not registered and joined the New Avengers, he'd be hanging out with Dr. Strange and his wife wouldn't have been attacked when Ultron came.

Rubbish. I mean, even leaving aside that if he hadn't registered, the entire CW would have played out differently, the argument being made is that that the SHRA did not make her any less safe and that's pretty much a fact.

On the other hand, ask Spider-Man how well not registering worked out for his family.


Ultron killed her because she was in Avengers Tower, the "symbol" of Tony Stark's new world order (this is obviously before Hulk knocked the building down). Tony's security just isn't all that secure.

Ultron killed her because she was in Avengers tower and it would cause the Avengers pain. Had he met Jarvis, it would have been just the same.

You really think if there was no SHRA, Ultron wouldn't have done the same?

[Kevinroc]

Rubbish. I mean, even leaving aside that if he hadn't registered, the entire CW would have played out differently, the argument being made is that that the SHRA did not make her any less safe and that's pretty much a fact.

On the other hand, ask Spider-Man how well not registering worked out for his family.

Sentry didn't even do all that much for the pro-reg side. It's not like he meant anything.

And Spidey did register and then changed his mind because he didn't like Clor killing Black Goliath and the Negative Zone Prison. But if he hadn't done what Tony asked in the first place, odds are that Aunt May wouldn't have gotten shot.


Ultron killed her because she was in Avengers tower and it would cause the Avengers pain. Had he met Jarvis, it would have been just the same.

You really think if there was no SHRA, Ultron wouldn't have done the same?

Do you really think Tony's doing a bang-up job making people feel safe? His mess with the Hulk exploded in his face, Captain America was assassinated while he was director of SHIELD, The Sentry's wife died in his home, his inventions have been taken over by Ultron, his Thor copy killed a man and angered the genuine article...

Wow, Tony's doing a real bang-up job, isn't he?

[Magneto Rocks]

Sentry didn't even do all that much for the pro-reg side. It's not like he meant anything.

Right. But if something motivated him strongly enough to go anti, you want to bet he wouldn't be the case? Remember, the off-panel explanation for Sentry's uselessness is that Cap psychologically destroyed him. I don't think Tony could have done the same. If Sentry had gone anti, odds are Cap would have won. And if he had... well, we're getting a one-shot on that, aren't we?


And Spidey did register and then changed his mind because he didn't like Clor killing Black Goliath and the Negative Zone Prison. But if he hadn't done what Tony asked in the first place, odds are that Aunt May wouldn't have gotten shot.

And if he hadn't betrayed Tony and gone anti, odds are just as good that Aunt May wouldn't have gotten shot. You make your bed and then you lie in it.


Do you really think Tony's doing a bang-up job making people feel safe?

Compared to running around busting open prisons and attacking government enforcers... I'd say he's done a better one.


His mess with the Hulk exploded in his face,

And he bore the consequences like a true hero. I think people would respect that.


Captain America was assassinated while he was director of SHIELD,

For whichy no one except Bucky blames him, so I doubt the people say "Oh dear lord, it was Tony's fault!" Especially considering you'd need to be a one-eyed chimpanzee to think it was.


The Sentry's wife died in his home, his inventions have been taken over by Ultron, [/;quote]

Two things which AGAIN would have happened with or without the SHRA.

[quote]his Thor copy killed a man and angered the genuine article...

Indeed. One mistake. Guess we're lucky Cap made none, eh?


Wow, Tony's doing a real bang-up job, isn't he?

Well sure, when you leave out the whole "crime at lowest it's ever been" and "countered biggest terrorist surge in the history of mankind". Again, I'd say the people both feel and ARE a lot safer with Tony in charge than they would be without a SHRA. Particularly considering the main man against it was busy making deals with the Kingpin which result in the death of SHIELD agents and then not exactly looking sorry about it.

[Kevinroc]

Right. But if something motivated him strongly enough to go anti, you want to bet he wouldn't be the case? Remember, the off-panel explanation for Sentry's uselessness is that Cap psychologically destroyed him. I don't think Tony could have done the same. If Sentry had gone anti, odds are Cap would have won. And if he had... well, we're getting a one-shot on that, aren't we?

The on-panel was Sentry loses his powers in the negative zone (see the 2nd Sentry mini) and got taken out by Hercules and Hulkling. (Wow, Tony's such a genius he scheduled a battle in a place where his strongest ally loses his powers.)


And if he hadn't betrayed Tony and gone anti, odds are just as good that Aunt May wouldn't have gotten shot. You make your bed and then you lie in it.

If Peter had kept his family with the Secret Avengers, Aunt May might not have gotten shot either.


Compared to running around busting open prisons and attacking government enforcers... I'd say he's done a better one.

Tony's done all that stuff before.


And he bore the consequences like a true hero. I think people would respect that.

No, he tried to kill the Hulk. And assumed he knew exactly what Bruce Banner wanted. He didn't man up and apologize. Granted, an apology wouldn't have done much at that point, but he assumed no guilt over anything that happened to Hulk. And then he whined that Hulk couldn't be there at Cap's funeral.


For whichy no one except Bucky blames him, so I doubt the people say "Oh dear lord, it was Tony's fault!" Especially considering you'd need to be a one-eyed chimpanzee to think it was.

It looks like the New Avengers sort of blame him, going by Spider-Man's comments of Cap wearing some kind of restraining device.



Two things which AGAIN would have happened with or without the SHRA.

But it shows the failures of the SHRA. It doesn't make you safer at all.


Indeed. One mistake. Guess we're lucky Cap made none, eh?

Cap made a mistake on that colossal a scale?


Well sure, when you leave out the whole "crime at lowest it's ever been" and "countered biggest terrorist surge in the history of mankind". Again, I'd say the people both feel and ARE a lot safer with Tony in charge than they would be without a SHRA. Particularly considering the main man against it was busy making deals with the Kingpin which result in the death of SHIELD agents and then not exactly looking sorry about it.

Not really. The point of Marvel right now is to showcase that people aren't really safer with the SHRA and it makes for very interesting stories. The end result is that Tony's plans just aren't worth it.

World War Hulk and the battle against Thor are just the tip of the iceberg.

[CMBMOOL]

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And Spidey did register and then changed his mind because he didn't like Clor killing Black Goliath and the Negative Zone Prison. But if he hadn't done what Tony asked in the first place, odds are that Aunt May wouldn't have gotten shot.



Do you really think Tony's doing a bang-up job making people feel safe? His mess with the Hulk exploded in his face, Captain America was assassinated while he was director of SHIELD, The Sentry's wife died in his home, his inventions have been taken over by Ultron, his Thor copy killed a man and angered the genuine article...

Wow, Tony's doing a real bang-up job, isn't he?





The point of Marvel right now is to showcase that people aren't really safer with the SHRA and it makes for very interesting stories. The end result is that Tony's plans just aren't worth it.

World War Hulk and the battle against Thor are just the tip of the iceberg.


I have to admit but it is kind of one-sided against what Tony is trying to please both sides. :(

I mean if his plan with reuniting the Heroes aganist the Hulk blows up in his face then the Secret Invasion is Stark's last chance for redemption in his former teammates eyes. :(

[XPac]

On the other hand, ask Spider-Man how well not registering worked out for his family.



Since Spider-Man did register, that's kind of a tough question to ask him.

[Kevinroc]

I have to admit but it is kind of one-sided against what Tony is trying to please both sides. :(

I mean if his plan with reuniting the Heroes aganist the Hulk blows up in his face then the Secret Invasion is Stark's last chance for redemption in his former teammates eyes. :(

Secret Invasion also appears to be Stark's fault (at least partially). This is happening because of something the Illuminati did.

[XPac]

Secret Invasion also appears to be Stark's fault (at least partially). This is happening because of something the Illuminati did.

That's true. The last 2 events (3 if you count Civil War) were really caused at least indirectly by the actions of the Illuminati.

Stark better really play a major role in fixing this if he wants those redemption points.

[bulbasteve]

Oh wait I was wrong, his wife is just alive in the same series...in...THE FUTURE!

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/nov07/MIGHTAVN007010_600.jpg

[Kefky]

Is it okay that I don't pay attention to these things 'cause I don't see any of the writers giving a damn either way? Or is that too cynical of me?

[ivesaidway2much]

Is it okay that I don't pay attention to these things 'cause I don't see any of the writers giving a damn either way? Or is that too cynical of me?No, it seems just right to me. If a writer wants to create a story where a character's loved one gets killed by a villain, that family member is dead no matter whether the hero is pro-reg or anti-reg. All you have to do is read the comics being written right now to know that is true. It's similar to the situation after House of M, when some deus ex machina would seemingly always take out the Sentinnels around the mansion, so that the writer could tell typical X-stories.

[Zacharius]

well, we're getting a one-shot on that, aren't we?

Yes, two stories actually.

What If Captain America led all the heroes against the Registration Act?

What If Iron Man lost the Civil War?

Problem here is that What if-stories usually have crappy endings.

[Gloria]

Daredevil and his wife & friends are currently being targeted by an old enemy. While DD's been on the fringe of the whole SHRA, his status as a non-registered-hero, yet being widely suspected by the public eye to be one, makes him quite vulnerable.

Yet it seems to be the staple of Murdock & Co's lives to be in constant jeopardy, with SHRA or without it

[Kevinroc]

Oh wait I was wrong, his wife is just alive in the same series...in...THE FUTURE!

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/nov07/MIGHTAVN007010_600.jpg

So change "killed by Ultron" to "almost killed by Ultron."