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Ilash
10-10-2007, 10:58 AM
... Freddie Williams III (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=132406)!

From what I've seen of his Robin, he seems like a really good choice. Not quite Kerschl but he should fit the book nicely.

Jack Zodiac
10-10-2007, 11:23 AM
I don't think Freddie's a particularly good artist, just like I don't think Acuņa's a bad artist, but I don't think he's been a good fit for the book. Freddie's art definitely fit for Robin, hopefully it'll compliment Waid's writing better than Daniel's art.

Cayman
10-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Sheesh, they are already replacing the artist? The Flash's troubles just don't seem to end.

torippu
10-10-2007, 11:52 AM
This is interesting - from my perspective a better choice than Acuna (who I really didn't care for). It's also interesting to see that he starts with the next issue - another Flash relaunch and the artist has already left the book! Freddie's a pretty consistent guy, right? If not, can we get Scott Kolins back on the art?

Infra-Man
10-10-2007, 12:00 PM
This is interesting - from my perspective a better choice than Acuna (who I really didn't care for). It's also interesting to see that he starts with the next issue - another Flash relaunch and the artist has already left the book! Freddie's a pretty consistent guy, right? If not, can we get Scott Kolins back on the art?

We'll see how well Williams fits with the book. Wasn't a fan of Acuna's wok on The Flash since it didn't fit, imo. Liked Williams' work on the Mister Miracle thing for Seven Soldiers, so we'll see what happens.

A Kolins return would be keen and Kerschl on the book would be a dream come true (why they didn't go with Kerschl originally is beyond me); but man, switching artists, writers, and even title characters so often makes the whole "this was the plan since OYL" excuse sound even more like hokum.

torippu
10-10-2007, 12:04 PM
Kerschl would be an awesome choice as well but is he really a monthly guy? Wasn't he supposed to the be OYL ROBIN artist before FWII took over?

Infra-Man
10-10-2007, 12:11 PM
Kerschl would be an awesome choice as well but is he really a monthly guy? Wasn't he supposed to the be OYL ROBIN artist before FWII took over?

Good point, and I'm not really familiar with how many issues he can put out a year or about his commitments to Robin for OYL.

If anything, it'd be great to see him to a Flash arc once a year, even if it was only 4 issue arc. Then again, I'm the type of guy who thinks that certain books should have a pair of art teams that alternates from story arc to story arc just to ensure there are no art delays.

David Atkins
10-10-2007, 12:39 PM
Huh. I actually liked Acuna's work on this book. Anybody know why he's leaving/where he's going?

Ilash
10-10-2007, 03:36 PM
We'll see how well Williams fits with the book. Wasn't a fan of Acuna's wok on The Flash since it didn't fit, imo. Liked Williams' work on the Mister Miracle thing for Seven Soldiers, so we'll see what happens.

A Kolins return would be keen and Kerschl on the book would be a dream come true (why they didn't go with Kerschl originally is beyond me); but man, switching artists, writers, and even title characters so often makes the whole "this was the plan since OYL" excuse sound even more like hokum.

Yeah but you know what, at least it does seem like DC are listening to fans. Acuna has had a generally unfavorable reception, with most people saying his art simply wasn't a right fit for the book and DC have responded nearly immediately. But yeah, the decision to relaunch and change the Flash was one of DC's biggest recent errors.

Cayman
10-10-2007, 03:43 PM
Yeah but you know what, at least it does seem like DC are listening to fans. Acuna has had a generally unfavorable reception, with most people saying his art simply wasn't a right fit for the book and DC have responded nearly immediately. But yeah, the decision to relaunch and change the Flash was one of DC's biggest recent errors.

So has the writing and they haven't fired Waid. Maybe Acuna was the one who quit.

Jack Zodiac
10-10-2007, 03:49 PM
Maybe he was only on for this first arc. Despite how much I don't like the way he draws the Flash or his kids, he draws some fine shuggoth-lookin' vagina monsters.

Ilash
10-10-2007, 03:49 PM
So has the writing and they haven't fired Waid. Maybe Acuna was the one who quit.

Why? The writing's good. It's also had a more mixed reaction than Acuna's art. Also, while there is little that Acuna could do about his style of art but Waid merely has to shift the attention away from the kids, and I'm willing to bet that now that they have been introduced this will happen, and he'll win back many of the naysayers.

Ilash
10-10-2007, 03:52 PM
Maybe he was only on for this first arc. Despite how much I don't like the way he draws the Flash or his kids, he draws some fine shuggoth-lookin' vagina monsters.

My thoughts exactly. And some weird, far-out sci-fi book would actually be a perfect fit for his somewhat otherworldly looking art rather than an old-school superhero comic.

Babylon23
10-10-2007, 04:43 PM
After the mess with Action Comics and Wonder Woman, DC seem pretty determined to get quicker artists onto their titles. I don't know how fast Acuna is, but maybe he just wasn't able to meet his deadlines. Or maybe he or DC didn't feel he was right for the book. Perhaps he's more interested in covers and special projects.

Either way, Williams is a very good artist and well-suited to the Flash. I've really enjoyed his work on Robin and it's a shame to see him leave that book, but this is a good move for him. Given his speed an d professionalism, I doubt we'll see many missed deadlines or fill-ins, which is always a positive.

Infra-Man
10-10-2007, 05:31 PM
Yeah but you know what, at least it does seem like DC are listening to fans. Acuna has had a generally unfavorable reception, with most people saying his art simply wasn't a right fit for the book and DC have responded nearly immediately. But yeah, the decision to relaunch and change the Flash was one of DC's biggest recent errors.

Agreed, and the fact that DC seems to be listening to fans is a good thing. I also agree with your other post that Acuna's work seems better suited for an otherworldly sci-fi or fantasy book rather than a more traditional superhero book. He is definitely a good artist, but he just needs a project that fits.

Captain Jim
10-10-2007, 08:43 PM
Maybe he was only on for this first arc.

Nope. He was on the solicitations through 235, but Williams is now starting with 233. Looks to me like something happened pretty darn fast. (Er, no pun intended.)

Cayman
10-10-2007, 08:50 PM
It's a big assumption to think that Acuna's off the book due to fan reaction. There's more likely to be another reason.

titanfan
10-11-2007, 12:49 PM
Whether it's fan reaction or not, I think it's a good thing. I think Acuna would have been great on something like Aquaman, I just don't think his style fit Flash.

HotRod_Tim
10-11-2007, 05:12 PM
The most surprising thing to me about the new Flash artist isn't that it's Williams, but that he starts so soon on #233 which should be coming out in a few short weeks.

CaptainCanada
10-11-2007, 05:31 PM
Acuna's art was dragging this title down, so this is good news.

Rattlehead
10-12-2007, 08:36 AM
Acuna's art was dragging this title down, so this is good news.

I have to disagree. I love Acuna'a artwork, and yes it's probably not best suited for superhero titles, he's an amazing artist who has a wonderful style. I loved the way he made Iris and the kids look, and was really good at giving the kids the right facial expressions. The problem for me so far is the children themselves, their personalities are very cliche, and we've really hardly even seen Wally since All Flash. I don't mind the fact that Wally has a family now, that's a situation that could lead to some interesting stories, but Mark Waid has put far too much focus on the kids and has pushed Wally to the background. It comes off as being a watered down Incredibles.

Ilash
10-12-2007, 09:06 AM
I have to disagree. I love Acuna'a artwork, and yes it's probably not best suited for superhero titles, he's an amazing artist who has a wonderful style. I loved the way he made Iris and the kids look, and was really good at giving the kids the right facial expressions. The problem for me so far is the children themselves, their personalities are very cliche, and we've really hardly even seen Wally since All Flash. I don't mind the fact that Wally has a family now, that's a situation that could lead to some interesting stories, but Mark Waid has put far too much focus on the kids and has pushed Wally to the background. It comes off as being a watered down Incredibles.

You know, if he keeps this up for an extended period of time then I probably would agree with you but I'm really quite sure that it will only be this arc that really concentrates on them this much. They're an important part of the new status quo and I think it's a good idea for Waid to properly introduce them. But yes, I do hope that the focus does revert back to Wally more in upcoming stories.

Rattlehead
10-12-2007, 09:18 AM
You know, if he keeps this up for an extended period of time then I probably would agree with you but I'm really quite sure that it will only be this arc that really concentrates on them this much. They're an important part of the new status quo and I think it's a good idea for Waid to properly introduce them. But yes, I do hope that the focus does revert back to Wally more in upcoming stories.

Indeed, I really do hope the kids get fleshed out beyond "mischeivious" though. I know Waid has to introduce us to them, and I guess having Wally leave the issue for a JLA meeting is a plausible way to go about it, but I'm really wanting a reason to care about the kids right now. They've been pretty cardboard so far.

rerun
10-21-2007, 08:46 PM
So is Acuna off effective the next issue?

Hated Acuna's art on this (I liked his recent GL work a little better, but still not a fan).

I actually thought of dropping this until Acuna off.

Ilash
10-22-2007, 05:31 AM
This weeks issue feautures the new artist.

Capt USA
10-23-2007, 11:03 PM
Acuna's art was dragging this title down, so this is good news.

agreed tremendously, the art on flash has traditionally been a more hard 'line' style with some good detail this guy was horrendously bad for a flash artist, quite possibly the worse art a flash title has ever seen, I have every issue of flash since 333 (barry allen) and have only one other time been tempted to dump this series (next to captain america this is my longest continually buying title) Glad to see that they realize this style of art may work for a dr strange title, but for hard core superhero it's horrible. (see nearly as bad art in new avengers making that title pretty much unreadable---yea! Yu is gone.)