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Captain Jim
10-05-2007, 07:37 PM
Just so everyone realizes, next week’s Wonder Woman is NOT Gail Simone’s debut. That has been pushed back to November. DC’s website still has the dated, incorrect information, but here are the correct facts:
WONDER WOMAN #13 (AUG070262) will feature a story by J. Torres with art by Julian Lopez (SUPERMAN CONFIDENTIAL) & Bit and a cover by Terry Dodson & Rachel Dodson. In this issue, the war with the Amazons may be over, but the wounds haven't even begun to heal. Wonder Woman has her hands full with anti-Amazon sentiment in America, much of it targeted toward Wonder Girl! When it comes to hate and fear, even a magic lasso can only do so much!
http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/8173_180x270.jpg
Eliseu Gouveia
10-05-2007, 07:48 PM
That´s a cool cover, I´ve always liked the Dodsons´art.
Cayman
10-05-2007, 07:50 PM
Unfortunately it promises to be as easy to skip as the two previous J. Torres issues.
Young Avenger
10-05-2007, 08:00 PM
It sucks they did a content change with Superman and now they're doing it to Wonder Woman? What the hell is happening in their offices?
Captain Jim
10-05-2007, 08:05 PM
It sucks they did a content change with Superman and now they're doing it to Wonder Woman? What the hell is happening in their offices?
As I recall, they did it to allow the Dodson's extra time to get ahead on the art.
That´s a cool cover, I´ve always liked the Dodsons´art.
I really like that cover, I wanna see it made into a poster. DC I demand this cover be made into a poster!
schmevil
10-05-2007, 10:22 PM
Arg! I've been waiting for Gail's run to begin, before picking up this book. I hate starting with a new series and having the writers constantly switching off.
DC doesn't want me to buy Wonder Woman. Clearly.
Chiroptera
10-06-2007, 09:39 AM
Dammit DC stop pushin' back your titles!
Still, atleast they're trying to provide some measure of closure to the war instead of "Whoop, now it's over and everything is back to normal, hooray!"
Dammit DC stop pushin' back your titles!
Still, atleast they're trying to provide some measure of closure to the war instead of "Whoop, now it's over and everything is back to normal, hooray!"
Yeah that is a good thing, although I would much rather forget the war even happend in the first place.
And I want Gail's first issue now, now, now.
Still that cover does kick ass.
Exslade ZX
10-10-2007, 10:54 PM
So I take it Julian Lopez isn't that popular of an artist or something? (Or the problem could just be that it's a common name)
But I've just read this, and holy crap there was something I really loved about the art. And I wanted to see more, but a Wikipedia/Yahoo etc. search didn't really come up with anything on Julian Lopez. (Other then a bad ass Captain America/Robin picture)
Is there anything else he/she has done?
Captain Jim
10-11-2007, 07:32 AM
The solicitation info in the original post above says Superman Confidential; I don't know what issue(s).
Miss Kitty Fantastico
10-11-2007, 11:53 AM
Okay, that was a surprise - this issue didn't suck.
Granted it wasn't extraordinary or anything, but if this had been the first issue of the new Wonder Woman title, I'd be fairly optimistic about the future. Diana seemed like an intelligent, thoughtful person as well as a capable and confident warrior, the DOMA stuff was kept to a minimum, more or less just used for exposition - god I hope that's the start of a trend, or Simone drops the moronic secret agent secret identity completely - and we got to see a variety of aspects of the DC world, and WW's place in it, while the issue as a whole managed a coherent, cohesive feel.
Torres even took a couple of fairly blatant pot-shots at the shortcomings of the title to this point - just look at Diana's opening narration: "The war is over, the Amazons are no more, and now I have to get my house in order." It'd be insufferably smartass, if it wasn't so accurate - what the narration claims, Torres delivers. By the end of the issue - so far as is possible for a single issue, after such a lamentable string of bad writing and bad storylines - Wonder Woman's house is looking a lot more orderly than, well, ever since this incarnation began. Torres even managed to fit in a strong, confident answer to the question 'Who is Wonder Woman?', which Heinberg didn't manage even after taking a year and a half to ponder his final tedious issue.
Fair enough, it's not the greatest comic ever - or even that I read this week - but coming from where Wonder Woman came from, it's an achievement. I'm kind of hoping that Torres had some input from Simone on this, and knew which angles to play up and what cards to put in play - if that is the case, and Simone is going to base her run on the ideas this issue prologued, I'll be happy.
Lopez draws a striking Diana, too - perhaps a little way yet from capturing the character perfectly, but still very capable. She looks powerful and commanding - that scene where she silenced the reporter with just a look? The art was there for it.
Cayman
10-11-2007, 04:15 PM
Torres even took a couple of fairly blatant pot-shots at the shortcomings of the title to this point - just look at Diana's opening narration: "The war is over, the Amazons are no more, and now I have to get my house in order." It'd be insufferably smartass, if it wasn't so accurate - what the narration claims, Torres delivers. By the end of the issue - so far as is possible for a single issue, after such a lamentable string of bad writing and bad storylines - Wonder Woman's house is looking a lot more orderly than, well, ever since this incarnation began. Torres even managed to fit in a strong, confident answer to the question 'Who is Wonder Woman?', which Heinberg didn't manage even after taking a year and a half to ponder his final tedious issue.
Torres would seem to have a shaky foundation from which to be taking potshots at the state of the book considering how incompetently his previous two issues were written. He's part of the problem. Send him back to the kiddie books now.
CaptainCanada
10-11-2007, 05:34 PM
Torres was trapped within the AA confines previously, so I don't hold the quality of #11-12 against him.
Rattlehead
10-12-2007, 08:32 AM
Honestly, the Torres issues haven't been bad, they've just been quite boring. For this being a fall-out from a war, things sure have seemed pretty hum drum for Diana.
Cayman
10-12-2007, 08:34 AM
Honestly, the Torres issues haven't been bad, they've just been quite boring. For this being a fall-out from a war, things sure have seemed pretty hum drum for Diana.
Quite boring = bad.
Rattlehead
10-12-2007, 08:42 AM
Quite boring = bad.
True, but I really don't want to disparage Torres, as I think if he didn't have to deal with all of this half-baked garbage to begin with he might have done better. Amazon's Attack has really had no reprecussions on the DCU at large, so he was basically stuck wrapping up a non-event.
Captain Jim
10-12-2007, 08:54 AM
Amazon's Attack has really had no reprecussions on the DCU at large
I'm not so sure we've seen everything yet.
Really is a great sketcher that has just begun. He exaggerates wonder woman. I exaggerate sketcher.
You abandonment a preview, comments please
http://jtorresonline.com/ww13page1.jpg
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Miss Kitty Fantastico
10-14-2007, 09:18 AM
Torres was trapped within the AA confines previously, so I don't hold the quality of #11-12 against him.
I rather agree - in fact, I didn't find any of the AA tie-in issues to be poorly written, even the early ones. The storyline, both the concept and the mechanism for how it'd flow between WW and AA, was just fundamentally bad, and no amount of polished dialogue could have made it interesting - and I don't blame Torres for not somehow working a miracle and turning the Amazons Attack sow's ear into a silk purse with #11-12. A professional writer, working to deadlines on a publisher-controlled title, just can't be expected to do that sort of thing - you do your best, but at some point you have to be able to say "I was given crap to work with, and I'm sorry but I can't improve it any more than this." The fact that Torres managed to make this issue a good one is reason enough for a pat on the back, if you ask me.
Dammit DC stop pushin' back your titles!
I'll take one fill-in over months of delays any day.
Still, atleast they're trying to provide some measure of closure to the war instead of "Whoop, now it's over and everything is back to normal, hooray!"
That's funny, I think the title of this issue was "Whoop, now it's over and everything is back to normal, hooray!" Given how well it was received, I don't think DC can forget Amazons Attack fast enough. Aside from the inevitable reunion between mother and daughter, I think it's done. We won't see it mentioned again.
I thought the art was good, but poor Wondy needs to get a costume that doesn't ride-up so much. That doesn't look comfortable.
Captain Jim
10-14-2007, 04:03 PM
Given how well it was received, I don't think DC can forget Amazons Attack fast enough. Aside from the inevitable reunion between mother and daughter, I think it's done. We won't see it mentioned again.
Don, this is one of the rare times I'm going to disagree with you, and I'm going to do it on two counts. First, I'm not sure it WAS received all that badly, at least where it counts. In DC's eyes, I'm sure it's sales that count, much more than internet complaints, and I don't think the sales were all that bad.
Secondly, I DO think we'll see it mentioned again, because I think it's going to be significant in Countdown and/or Final Crisis. But time will tell.
CaptainCanada
10-14-2007, 04:10 PM
In DC's eyes, I'm sure it's sales that count, much more than internet complaints, and I don't think the sales were all that bad.
The sales were abysmal; it was outsold by all of the series it tied into, apart from Catwoman, and in all cases except Catwoman, it either had no effect or dragged sales down; hardly what an event is supposed to do.
Captain Jim
10-14-2007, 08:06 PM
The sales were abysmal; it was outsold by all of the series it tied into, apart from Catwoman, and in all cases except Catwoman, it either had no effect or dragged sales down; hardly what an event is supposed to do.
I'm talking about the series itself, not the tie-in's. The series itself sold decent. (It didn't set the world on fire, but it sold decent.) A quick look at the August sales report shows that AA # 5 & 6 ranked #69 and 71, respectively, on the Top 100. That's not a bad showing. It outsold DC books like all of the Outsiders: 5 of a Kind issues, Green Arrow: Year One, Black Canary, and all of the Batman family titles (except Detective and Batman). It outsold Marvel books like Punisher, Iron Fist and Ms. Marvel.
I don't hear anybody saying, "Ech, Green Arrow: Year One; it's sales were abysmal." But it sold worse than Amazons Attack. So your post is just so much BS.
Don, this is one of the rare times I'm going to disagree with you, and I'm going to do it on two counts. First, I'm not sure it WAS received all that badly, at least where it counts. In DC's eyes, I'm sure it's sales that count, much more than internet complaints, and I don't think the sales were all that bad.
As you pointed out, sales were decent, but DC has to take fan reaction into account. While I'm sure there were many people who read and enjoyed the series, there were also a more vocal group who didn't like it at all. I didn't read it, but from the crossovers I did read (Wonder Woman, Teen Titans, Catwoman) I don't think I would have liked it.
Secondly, I DO think we'll see it mentioned again, because I think it's going to be significant in Countdown and/or Final Crisis. But time will tell.
I just read the wikipedia entry for the miniseries. I didn't know the series was left open-ended, leading to something else. You're right, I think storylines created in the miniseries will return. They have to resolve those.
Well, I like the artwork in the above battle. However Diana's Lasso seems to have gotten loose, I wonder how she kept from getting tangled up in the thing.
Stanlos
10-15-2007, 02:45 PM
I'll take one fill-in over months of delays any day.
That's funny, I think the title of this issue was "Whoop, now it's over and everything is back to normal, hooray!" Given how well it was received, I don't think DC can forget Amazons Attack fast enough. Aside from the inevitable reunion between mother and daughter, I think it's done. We won't see it mentioned again.
I thought the art was good, but poor Wondy needs to get a costume that doesn't ride-up so much. That doesn't look comfortable.
[Ripley Mode]
I hope you're right. I really do.
[/Ripley Mode]
Chiroptera
10-17-2007, 08:08 AM
Captain Jim's last post said everything I was gonna say.
Yeah, we're gonna see more of it, alot more. Doing away with the Amazons was a major step in whatever plan Darkseid is cooking up. It's made abundanlty clear in Countdown that he NEEDED to get rid of the real amazons because "Athena"(Granny Goodness) is training a whole new batch that will be loyal to Athena.
He's wanting Amazons on his side this time because in the past any time he's attacked earth they've been a major thorn in his side.
This title may not have been recieved well by some, but it sold well and it's storyline has a direct connection to the entire Countdown story and will likely remain connected straight into the Final Crisis. We've not seen the last of it and it's not going to magically disappear because that would require them making alot of stuff in Countdown get reworked. It has to much influence to be forgotten, no matter how poorly executed it was.
This issue was pretty good. I thought the fill in artist did an admirable job. I was quite impressed with his pencils and would be interested to see more work from him. However, I didn't like the coloring. I think the color pallete just didn't work. The gold on WW's costume was too orange, and I could not understand why Helena had purple hair. I can barely stand WW's blue highlights, but that seems to be a convention nowadays... I think the artist's linework would have benefited a lot more from better coloring.
I can't wait for Simone's stuff!
Captain Jim
10-23-2007, 06:27 AM
This issue was pretty good. I thought the fill in artist did an admirable job. I was quite impressed with his pencils and would be interested to see more work from him.
He's going to be the regular artist on the new Batman and the Outsiders book.
He's going to be the regular artist on the new Batman and the Outsiders book.
Oh, thanks, I had no idea. Hmm. I wasn't planning on picking up that book but maybe now I'll check it out.
Captain Jim
10-24-2007, 06:46 AM
Oh, thanks, I had no idea. Hmm. I wasn't planning on picking up that book but maybe now I'll check it out.
You can find some art samples here (http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=133176). Personally, I think they look awesome.
wordnerd
10-29-2007, 09:16 PM
i'm really pleased to see that other people are wondering what the hell is going on with wonder woman. i can't wait for gail's run to start because i'm so over the preachy vibe that's snuck in. i'm over her going off to discover herself *rolls eyes* personally, i hated the last issue and i didn't think much of amazons attack! either. it feels like they've got no idea what to do wonder woman so they're putting out whatever they can while they work it out, which is a travesty.
the only reason i stuck with it was because the artwork was so pretty.
artemisboy
11-06-2007, 04:47 PM
I actually liked the issue, for being a filler anyway. Torres reminds me a lot of Phil Jimenez in that they both try so hard to incorporate continuity to the comic. (Something, sadly, not a lot of writers have even TRIED to do for a while.) The nod to Wildcat asking about Hippolyta goes back to Phil's run when Hippolyta was shown to have been Wildcat's lover during her time in WWII. And the mention that Helena has the power to take away Cassie's power (first introduced during John Byrne's run) seemed all but forgotten until this issue. So that together with the simple yet quality way of writing the characters has definately given him my vote. It's just sad that his entries are hand-tied to such an awful storyline like Amazons Attack.
As for Julian Lopez's art, I LOVE HIM! Yeah, I like the Dodson's art fine but Lopez's art is a breath of fresh air also. His way of capturing so much in a simple raise of the eyebrow was awesome.
- Peter
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