System of a Down?

[Ayo]

I heard they had a new album coming out...

[Reptisaurus!]

Disorder! Disorder!Diss-ORDER!

And, sorry, haven't heard anything. But gosh, that's fun to type.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've heard It too.This Is another Band I really like.I love "Chop Suey" and "Toxicity" as well!Plus thier last song was pretty awesome "Ariels".I hope the New Album kicks as much ass.

Its due soon last I heard.

[CitizenKing]

Go listen to Avril's cover of Chop Suey!, bet you'll never hear that song the same way again.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Go listen to Avril's cover of Chop Suey!, bet you'll never hear that song the same way again.


Rtaher go scrap my nails across a chalk board.Less painful.

[Ayo]

Avril's cute. Not like in a sexual way, but like in an America's Funniest Home Videos way...awww...teenage girl wants to be a "HardXcore rocker!"

Back to System...so nobody's heard solid news about the upcoming album? I've even checked their website and seen nothing.

"Hey, where you at?"

[Pepsigirl]

Go listen to Avril's cover of Chop Suey!, bet you'll never hear that song the same way again.

If you really want to, I found it here. This isn't a joke is it? (http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/o/mol108/Avril_Lavigne-Chop_Suey_(System_Of_A_Down_Cover).mp3)

[johnnyhammer]

Rtaher go scrap my nails across a chalk board.Less painful.

That's how I feel when someone suggests System of a Down.

Gimme a cheese grater, rubbed up and down my spine....ahhhh....yeah...betterrrrr....

[Alex]

If you really want to, I found it here. This isn't a joke is it? (http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/m/o/mol108/Avril_Lavigne-Chop_Suey_(System_Of_A_Down_Cover).mp3)
Yeah, god forbid a crappy pop act covers a song as deep as Chop Suey.

[Ayo]

Hey nobody dragged you two into this thread!

If you hate it that much, don't bother!

[Doc Shannara]

I love System Of A Down and can't wait for new matrial.

But I haven't had any luck finding an official release date for their new cd, either.

But I don't think that's unusual---I often have trouble finding release dates.

For instance, supposedly Johnny Cash's American V is going to be released on the 28th, but it's not available for preorder anywhere and I can't find any official confirmation, either.

[Deathstroke]

There is no official date set yet for their fourth CD.

The TENTATIVE plan calls for a release in December.

This according to an MTV.com posting that was posted at Blabbermouth.net.

[Alex]

Hey nobody dragged you two into this thread!

If you hate it that much, don't bother!
Never said i hated it, just said they aren't so great that avril covering them is offensive.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Never said i hated it, just said they aren't so great that avril covering them is offensive.



Listen to "Toxicity" and tell me Its not offensive to have her cover "Chop Suey".Love to see her cover a Radiohead song.How do you think fans of that would feel?


Avril covering "Chop Suey" is as Bad as Jessica Simpson covering Robbie Williams song "Angels".Williams song Is a great work, Simpson's Is just dreck and Is like a song about f-cking Nick Lachey more or less.

[Alex]

Listen to "Toxicity" and tell me Its not offensive to have her cover "Chop Suey".Love to see her cover a Radiohead song.How do you think fans of that would feel?


Avril covering "Chop Suey" is as Bad as Jessica Simpson covering Robbie Williams song "Angels".Williams song Is a great work, Simpson's Is just dreck and Is like a song about f-cking Nick Lachey more or less.
I've heard plenty of crap covers, ive heard two crap radiohead cover albums, doesn't bother me.
I've heard that entire album, i had too, friend of mine decided it was the greatest thing ever when it came out, so i heard it everyday on the way to and from school.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

I've heard plenty of crap covers, ive heard two crap radiohead cover albums, doesn't bother me.
I've heard that entire album, i had too, friend of mine decided it was the greatest thing ever when it came out, so i heard it everyday on the way to and from school.


Then ya got better nerves than me.I heard Sherl Crows " Sweet Child of Mine" and wanted to throw up.Talk about becoming a souless pop song.And I love Guns n Roses.

If Artists cover something...make It sound good.Don't pull an Avril and do horrible covers.Hell have you heard her cover of "Fuel?" And Metallica kept smiling throughout It.That took some courage.

[Deathstroke]

The release date for the band's new CD has been pushed back to January 16th.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Great News Deathstroke!Thanks for the Info.

[E. Spears]

woo, new System album! Imma buy that when it comes out.

-ERS

[Atomic Mongoose]

Avril covering "Chop Suey" is as Bad as Jessica Simpson covering Robbie Williams song "Angels".Williams song Is a great work, Simpson's Is just dreck and Is like a song about f-cking Nick Lachey more or less.

Umm... it's Robbie Williams. I wouldn't be suprised if that song wasn't originally written to be about the desire to f-ck Nick Lachey.

[Mighty Broke]

I still can't believe these guys got popular. Bounce! pogopogopogopogopogopogopogo.

Maybe there's hope for humanity after all!

[Reptisaurus!]

I still can't believe these guys got popular. Bounce! pogopogopogopogopogopogopogo.


I agree completely. Especially with that last part. pogopogopogopogopogopogopogopogopogo.

[Mighty Broke]

I met Shavo at the Mountainview Ampitheater, CA in '99. He was with some poontang and talked to me for a good 15 minutes about the 2nd sabs tribute and signed an autograph. One cool dude.

[Deathstroke]

The new System of a Down album is now scheduled for January 18th 2005.

The title has been chosen.

It will be called "Hypnotize."

[Hawk]

That Avril cover of Chop Suey is horrendous. I couldn't listen to more than 30 seconds before my ears started bleeding.

Oh, and new System CD=Whoo! Can't wait to hear it

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Well thats pretty cool news Deathstroke.As a fan I'm pumped about It.

[Ayo]

The new System of a Down album is now scheduled for January 18th 2005.

The title has been chosen.

It will be called "Hypnotize."

"Hypnotize." That's like...perfectly appropriate. The sum of their style can be said to be somewhat hypnotic....but most likely, its a political meaning.

[Deathstroke]

You guys have to read the thread more often, I posted that over a week ago!

LOL!

[I Must Break U]

Disorder! Disorder!Diss-ORDER!

Yeah i second that, i hope they have a new album they rock!

[Deathstroke]

The new CD "Hypnotize" has reportedly been pushed back to March 1st.

A second CD "Mesmerize" is due late summer/early fall.

[Ayo]

so at least there's that....the ol' two-albums-in-one-year trick!

[Deathstroke]

For a 2 minute 13 second sample of the new System of a Down track "Cigaro", click here. (http://www.srcswccbi36.com)

[WebSlinger]

Good news all-round. I love this band, everything from mad shouting vocals to their distinct guitar riffs.

I saw System of a Down live once, back in 98 when I was 16 (and still a metalhead). They were supporting Slayer and Sepultura (one of the best gigs ever may I add, shame it wasn't Max fronting Seps though). Met the drummer briefly when he came down to the front after they had finished their set. Very pleasnt, friendly dude.

Have only got their first 2 albums. Been told the 3rd one is worth getting hold of. Would presume they're got a worldwide tour coming up not long after this album's release. I for one, will be the first in London to get hold of a ticket! Over 6 years since seeing them live, and still going strong. :cool:

[cactusmaac]

They are pretty good but they're not particular favourites of mine, mostly because Serje doesn't really have the vocal range to impress me.

Not in the same class as other politically-aware metallers like RATM or Max-era Sepultura.

[I Must Break U]

they have two albums coming out, to my knowledge. one in the spring and another on in the fall of 2005.

[Deathstroke]

they have two albums coming out, to my knowledge. one in the spring and another on in the fall of 2005.

I know, I posted the information already. Last message on Page 2 of this thread.

[ComputerWizkid89]

Mezmorize, the first album, is coming out around March probably. then Hypnotize, the second, is coming out about 6 months after.

[Deathstroke]

The new information for the release date of the first new System of a Down CD "Mezmerize": It's now due April 26th with Hypnotize due sometime in the fall.

[Deathstroke]

The first CD "Mesmerize" has been pushed back for release until May 17th.

[Deathstroke]

Here's the cover art for the new CD Mezmerize from the band:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/soad_mez.jpg

[Lord of Nonsensical Crap]

Here's the cover art for the new CD Mezmerize from the band:

http://www.blabbermouth.net/soad_mez.jpg

Apparently, Daron Malakian's dad did the art for the covers.
BTW, I heard "Cigaro" and "BYOB" on the radio. All I can say is
ME WANTS! ME WANTS! ME WANTS! ME WANTS!

[Royal]

Is it me or is "BYOB" a verbal beatdown on those who listen to them just for fashion?

[steve2275]

Apparently, Daron Malakian's dad did the art for the covers.
BTW, I heard "Cigaro" and "BYOB" on the radio. All I can say is
ME WANTS! ME WANTS! ME WANTS! ME WANTS!
niiiiiiiiiiice

[kid cthulhu]

Never been a huge fan of these guys, but what I've seen and heard of the new stuff leads me to believe that they have some kind of social commentary in their music that goes much deeper than most bands with this sound. I think I kind of dig 'em!

[TinMan]

Never been a huge fan of these guys, but what I've seen and heard of the new stuff leads me to believe that they have some kind of social commentary in their music that goes much deeper than most bands with this sound. I think I kind of dig 'em!

You would be correct on that assumption, they are a very liberal and political band. So if you're down with that, check em out... they're also very quirky in their style, so just be warned. I personnally lost intrest in them, their style has gotten old and i'm really tired of hearing about politics in my music now, I hear it enough on the news and general chat messageboards. But if you like that kinda thing, you'll prolly dig SoaD

[TinMan]

Is it me or is "BYOB" a verbal beatdown on those who listen to them just for fashion?

actually its a song dogging out the US for the war in Iraq. BYOB meaning "Bring Your Own Bombs" and also notice the lyrics "dancin in the desert blowin up the sunshine..."

[Royal]

You would be correct on that assumption, they are a very liberal and political band. So if you're down with that, check em out... they're also very quirky in their style, so just be warned. I personnally lost intrest in them, their style has gotten old and i'm really tired of hearing about politics in my music now, I hear it enough on the news and general chat messageboards. But if you like that kinda thing, you'll prolly dig SoaD

You must've heard just one or two songs then. They do have social commentary, but then again, they sang about pizzas & having a big cock too.

[Alex]

They do have social commentary, but then again, they sang about pizzas & having a big cock too.
Ever hear people trash some of Rage Against The Machines lyrics for being sort of simple?
System of a Down aspires to have as much lyrical depth as them, meyers and i took turns laughing our asses off at the lyrics to BYOB, like a 13 year olds rebelious notebook scribbles.
It should be noted, Meyers really likes them, and just didn't like this album.

[steve2275]

actually its a song dogging out the US for the war in Iraq. BYOB meaning "Bring Your Own Bombs" and also notice the lyrics "dancin in the desert blowin up the sunshine..."so thats the lyric

[TinMan]

You must've heard just one or two songs then. They do have social commentary, but then again, they sang about pizzas & having a big cock too.


umm, obviously you aren't listening close enough. I own their first three albums and have listened to each at least 40 times appiece. Their lyrics are obscure, but for the most part they are social/political, you just have to decipher it a bit. If you've ever read any interviews with them, it becomes blatantly clear how much of it is actually slanted to the liberal side of the political spectrum.

[Pól Rua]

I could care less about political content in their lyrics.
Frankly, I always got more of a pseudo-beatnik vibe with the lyrics - kind of more about the way the words SOUND than what they mean a la REM or Soul Coughing, but mebbe that's just me.
I mainly dig the way they'll shift tempos and even genres in mid-song. Plus, the lead vocalist's voice brings to my mind some sort of weird combination of Les Claypool and Jelo Biafra.
Which massages all the right muscles in my ears.

[Deathstroke]

While it's unconfirmed so far, the rumored date for System of a Down's new CD "Hypnotize" is due November 15th.

[kid cthulhu]

I think they're cool. They're more concious than most shit on the airwaves and they have a unique sound that bounces around between genres and I appreciate that.

[Adam Crocker]

actually its a song dogging out the US for the war in Iraq. BYOB meaning "Bring Your Own Bombs" and also notice the lyrics "dancin in the desert blowin up the sunshine..."

I remember when a friend first showed that song to me. He said "wanna hear something weird?" I heard like a minute of it before I said, "Dude the only thing weird is the lead singers' absurdist vocalizing in the chorus. Now if you want weird I have some Captain Beefheart at home."

I think they are a relatively entertaining metal band. I enjoy their choppy, staccato rhythms and Serj Tankian's more absurd vocal flourishes, but nothing they have done has made me run out to get one of their albums. Oddly enough of the songs I've heard by them, my favourites are their covers of Berlin's "Metro" and "Legend of Zelda."

[Xombie]

Ever hear people trash some of Rage Against The Machines lyrics for being sort of simple?
System of a Down aspires to have as much lyrical depth as them, meyers and i took turns laughing our asses off at the lyrics to BYOB, like a 13 year olds rebelious notebook scribbles.
It should be noted, Meyers really likes them, and just didn't like this album.
Are you fucking kindding me? Yeah some of there songs come out and just say what exactly there saying but some are knee deep in mixed meanings and symbolism. Take "Know" for example. One of my favorite songs they did which is about the class struggle.

[Kiriyama]

godamn soad used to be good

their latest 2 albums were poor in comparison to there first two

[Deathstroke]

The band's new CD Hypnotize is due out November 22nd through American Recordings/Columbia Records.

The track listing is:

01. Attack
02. Dreaming
03. Kill Rock 'N Roll
04. Hypnotize
05. Stealing Society
06. Tentative
07. U-Fig
08. Holy Mountains
09. Vicinity Of Obscenity
10. She's Like Heroin
11. Lonely Day
12. Soldier Side

[Deathstroke]

Here's the cover art for the band's new CD Hypnotize.

http://www.systemofadown.com/images/HypnotizeFrontCoverWeb.jpg

[stealthwise]

I love SOAD, but man, Hypnotize has some simple, boring, and bad lyrics on it.

[Chevan]

I bought Mesmerize a couple monthes after it came out, and after the initial rush wore off, it seemed somewhat lackluster.

Mostly, it's not something I'd come back to. To me, it feels like a novelty CD (like Weird Al or something), where I'll pull it out when the mood strikes me, listen to it once, and put it away again for a while.

[Pepsigirl]

To me, it feels like a novelty CD (like Weird Al or something), where I'll pull it out when the mood strikes me, listen to it once, and put it away again for a while.

That's how I feel about all their CDs, minus the listening to it part.

[stealthwise]

After listening to Hypnotize a few more times, I have to admit that it's damn catchy, despite the lyrical flaws. SOAD is always great for providing catchy music that's heavy and highly rhythmic.

[BlairH]

Soldier Side is rather cool, although the lyrics are quite crappy:

"All young men must go" sounds like they're holding a closing down sale.

"All young men must go! Grab them while stocks last!"

[m0nster_zero]

i must say that toxicity was one of the best albums i've heard... ever. definitely top 10 on my personal list. but both mesmerize and hypnotize were huge letdowns for me. i understand that bands do need to mature and grow as musicians, but what soad needs to understand is that serj is the singer. not anyone else. just serj. that's what works for them. is it shavo that's singing now? or daron? can't remember. one of 'em. and he's no serj, i'll tell ya that.

[BlairH]

i must say that toxicity was one of the best albums i've heard... ever. definitely top 10 on my personal list. but both mesmerize and hypnotize were huge letdowns for me. i understand that bands do need to mature and grow as musicians, but what soad needs to understand is that serj is the singer. not anyone else. just serj. that's what works for them. is it shavo that's singing now? or daron? can't remember. one of 'em. and he's no serj, i'll tell ya that.

Daron and Serj do most of the vocals now. I'd agree that Toxicity is a particularly good album, but Hypnotize and Mesmerize were just way too gimicky. Don't get me wrong, gimicky is good to a certian extent ("mowed down the sexy people" being the most hilarious lyric ever) but when 1/4 of the album is pure beardy tack you know something's wrong.

[Deathstroke]

After the band's current tour, it appears they will be going on a hiatus.

Story Link (http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51791)

[Deathstroke]

The band's future is uncertain.

News Link (http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64459)

[Lord of Nonsensical Crap]

The band's future is uncertain.

News Link (http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=64459)

Damn, that sucks: I'd hate to see System throw in the towel. Then again, maybe they simply think they won't be able to top Mesmerize/Hypnotize.

[TheLazy]

Damn, that sucks: I'd hate to see System throw in the towel. Then again, maybe they simply think they won't be able to top Mesmerize/Hypnotize.

Its better for them to bow out gracefully than drag on past their prime, like say, Metallica or Madonna.

[Deathstroke]

Singer Serj Tankian's solo debut Elect The Dead is tentatively due out in September/October.

[Deathstroke]

Singer Serj Tankian's solo debut Elect The Dead is tentatively due out in September/October.


The album will be out October 23rd via Serjical Strike/Reprise Records. Details (http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=77173)

[jesse_custer]

I think these guys have a great drummer and perhaps a more distinctive style than say, P.O.D., but really, when you have Rage, why listen to SOAD?

[Reptisaurus!]

I think these guys have a great drummer and perhaps a more distinctive style than say, P.O.D., but really, when you have Rage, why listen to SOAD?

Because System are much, much better?

[jesse_custer]

Seeing as how the instrumentalists of Rage showcase more varied and technically superior playing and how System borrows from Rage anyway, I don't see that.

[Reptisaurus!]

Seeing as how the instrumentalists of Rage showcase more varied and technically superior playing and how System borrows from Rage anyway, I don't see that.

Borrows what, exactly?

I'm not absolutely disputin' here. And I can trace a buncha stylistic elements of both back to the Faith No More/Fishbone/Old School Chilli Peppers axis of "Back in my day bands were GOOD, none of this "Disturbing" and "Nickelbutt" crap that you kids today are ruining your ears with now-a-days... And get the hell off my lawn!"

But direct influence from one to the other? Not really seeing it. Unless y'mean politically - or, I guess, the way politics is integrated into the artistic concept of the band - then I totally see it.

I'm not also hearing much from Rage I'd call, well, "technically" very good. I do really like the guitar player. He's clearly a dude interested in using his instrument to make cool sounding noise just 'cause he likes cool sounding noise. and I'm for anybody who rocks out on the Sonic Youth tip.

But the main difference?

System are writing songs. Coming, at their best, damn close to writing compositions. There's a tiny little bit of Mingus in there sound (And I gots NO higher compliment than that.) At least the way it's built on the interplay/conflict between melody and atonality, (read: Chaos and order) And their tunes just sound cool, with a lot more stuff goin' on than any of their mainstream rock radio contemperaries. Tempos slow down an' speed up as the band moves from sounding like some weird combination of the Beatles, nursery rhymes, and Armenian folk music to knocking out these super fast Slayer riffs. There's still elements of the traditional Nirvana/Pixies/Generic Alternative "Let's play REALLY LOUD... now let's play really quiet" song structure, but System simply push it further than any of the other bands in that vein, makin' the loud louder and the soft much more more melodic and, well, prettier and underscoring it with these weird rhythmic shifts.

Plus, Jesus, they've got part of a song in freaking 15/8! And any rock band who does that has got my respect.

It should be pretty obvious to anyone who's listened to the two bands for more'n six seconds that Rage have a much less full/skimpier sound, and there's less variety to their compositions.

I've been diggin' up stuff from both of 'em on Youtube and I'm noticing a pattern to Rage's stuff. Virtually every song starts with both the bass player and the guitar player playing the exact same riff. Which is BORING. Everybody doing the same thing ain't that interesting to listen to anyway, and it seems lazy to start every song the same way.

And then there's the BIG problem. It seems like their sound is built to showcase the lead rapper (and, therefore, the bands lyrical content and, therefore, it's explicitly political message)

And dude is just not a good rapper. At all. He does, naturally, have a good rappin' voice and he's got a lot of power behind it, (Both important elements of MCing) but he's got no real flow (Each! Word! Is! Completely! Ennunciated!) and he's got NO variety in his delivery except louder or softer, and he doesn't ever go off beat, which is where rappers *really* demonstate their musicality... and when ya don't do it, it just comes off as plodding.

(And sure, I know. All the above can be applied to Run DMC, too. And I really like Run DMC. But there's a difference. Run DMC are fucking awesome, that's why!)

And that's not even the real problem.

Every artist in ANY medium needs to be able to use their chosen art-form to convey different moods if they want to be called, well, a worthwhile artist.

And Zac De La Rocha

(he said, finally getting around to looking up the name of the lead guy from Rage)

communicates exactly ONE mood. There's quiet anger and loud anger but his artistic range is really limited. Compare this to, for instance, Tom Morello who can make his solos sound strident, or confused, or downright funny.

And it is worth noting that I found a few live cuts from the band on Youtube and De La Rocha seems to inject more nuance into his vocal delivery when he's in front of an audience. But his recorded work - not good.

So, boiling that down to a short answer: System have a bigger sound, much more intricate and in depth compositions, and they've got a decent singer as opposed to a poor rapper.

[ImpulseUCF]

I think these guys have a great drummer and perhaps a more distinctive style than say, P.O.D., but really, when you have Rage, why listen to SOAD?Because they are completely different in almost every conceivable way. Completely different musical styles, influences, atmosphere, attitudes, lyrical delivery, composition, etc.

Rage is socio-politically-infused grooving rap-rock, delivered strait and seriously with some guitar showboating mixed in. SOAD combines elements of thrash, nu-metal, Eastern European folk music, zaniness with spectacularly unique, wild delivery.

At their best, Rage are catchy, pissed-off simple rock songs with an unbelievably cool-sounded guitar part that utterly floors me as a gutiar player, in the "how in the world did he do that?!" kind of way. System, at their best, write chilling, complex, emotionally-moving pieces of music that take you on a journey, set a mood, tell a story, convey a message of deep impact or our just outright exuberantly ridiculous. Their delivery is interesting. Everyone in the band contributes to each song. They can all be doing something different but it works together (IMO one of the key differentiators of the very best bands).

As a previous poster said, SOAD are masters of juxtaposing chaos with order, melody with dissonance, soft with harsh. And, most importantly, they write music and deliver it well.

But, yes, both are vastly distinct aside from some very basic overlapping high-level themes in that they both speak to world politics, oppression, genocide, etc.

Aside from some similar themes regarding world politics and oppression, they are completely different. And SOAD is way better. :)

[stealthwise]

Because they are completely different in almost every conceivable way. Completely different musical styles, influences, atmosphere, attitudes, lyrical delivery, composition, etc.

Rage is socio-politically-infused grooving rap-rock, delivered strait and seriously with some guitar showboating mixed in. SOAD combines elements of thrash, nu-metal, Eastern European folk music, zaniness with spectacularly unique, wild delivery.

At their best, Rage are catchy, pissed-off simple rock songs with an unbelievably cool-sounded guitar part that utterly floors me as a gutiar player, in the "how in the world did he do that?!" kind of way. System, at their best, write chilling, complex, emotionally-moving pieces of music that take you on a journey, set a mood, tell a story, convey a message of deep impact or our just outright exuberantly ridiculous. Their delivery is interesting. Everyone in the band contributes to each song. They can all be doing something different but it works together (IMO one of the key differentiators of the very best bands).

As a previous poster said, SOAD are masters of juxtaposing chaos with order, melody with dissonance, soft with harsh. And, most importantly, they write music and deliver it well.

But, yes, both are vastly distinct aside from some very basic overlapping high-level themes in that they both speak to world politics, oppression, genocide, etc.

Aside from some similar themes regarding world politics and oppression, they are completely different. And SOAD is way better. :)

hehe, PWNED?

sorry, I'll stop using net slang.





...sorry.

[ImpulseUCF]

LOL I guess that settled it, then?

I've been relistening to SOAD's first album...man, I forgot how much I loved it! It's simple, but everything works so well. all the guitar, bass, drum and vocal parts add to the song, and it's really fun.

[Hellbaby]

I LOVE SYSTEM!!!!!!! Serj is my hero, he is so talented as an artist. I love his stuff with Tom Morello on Axis of Justice. I can't wait until they come off hiatus.

[Deathstroke]

Here's an interview with Serj Tankian (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080323/music_nm/tankian_dc).