Annihilation Conquest: Who's NOT the saviour?

[Gibbering Fool]

This was taken from CBR's Lying in the Gutters article. Damn, I was sure the saviour was Adam Warlock.

Keith Giffen seemed to be hinting at some interesting Marvel politics when he discussed the "Annihilation" series with Ben Morse.


20) What made you decide to use Nova as the main hero in Annihilation?
GIFFEN: Andy Schmidt. I was lobbying for Warlock till we got the hands-off from Marvel.

The hands off? Do Marvel have plans for Warlock or something else?


Moses: I'm guessing Adam Warlock is the savior hinted at in Quasar. How large a role will he be playing?
GIFFEN: Once again…none. Unless DnA got Marvel to lighten up.

Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning. That sounds like politics to me. Anything to do with Warlock creator Jim Starlin's big fallout with Marvel?

[Ancient-Anubis]

arrr to bad I really miss him but if not Warlock who else is in the coccon?

[40yearoldnovafan]

arrr to bad I really miss him but if not Warlock who else is in the coccon?

Could it be THE BEYONDER!?!

She could not really die as she did in the last "Annihilation." And wasn't she once "Her," like Adam Warlock was "Him?"

Jimmy

[Expletive Deleted]

Assuming Giffen isn't deliberately misleading us.

Just throwing that out there.

[DaeJi]

I do doubt that it's Warlock, even with the cocoon. He's not the only one with that trick either, both Kismet and Genis-Vell (my favorite for savior) have also pulled that trick.

[Joe Acro]

Assuming Giffen isn't deliberately misleading us.

Just throwing that out there.That is possible. He doesn't say explicitly that Warlock won't be it.

[Enigmanaut]

Thank god... I hate Warlock.

[Lord S]

I have a feeling it's going to be somebody totally new and unheard of. Adam Warlock would be kickass...but it doesn't make sense. How is he tied to the Kree Empire? Or the Phalanx for that matter? (Aside from the fact that there was a 'Warlock' in the Phalanx before).

[The Cool Thatguy]

Thank god... I hate Warlock.


Agreed. Infinity Gauntlet was awesome, but damned if they didn't keep tapping that well.

[Brother Zag]

Assuming Giffen isn't deliberately misleading us.

Just throwing that out there.

QFT!

This is Keith Giffen, after all... hey, when did he sign an exclusive with DC? He mentioned it in the q&A, but I missed that news item... unless he was, well, just being Giffen. Again.

[Thursaiz]

THANOS!

I really, really wish that it could be Warlock though.

That said, a good save by Pip the Troll is what the Universe needs. He could destroy Super-Adaptoid with one puff of the cigar.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Ya know, this series would have been the perfect place to reintroduce Captain Mar-vell. I mean, it's not like they did a damn thing with him since 'The Return'.

[drwho]

Ya know, this series would have been the perfect place to reintroduce Captain Mar-vell. I mean, it's not like they did a damn thing with him since 'The Return'.

True. It also would have made more sense to have Quasar as the warden because of his security experience than some guy they wanted no one to find out about.

[DaeJi]

I have a feeling it's going to be somebody totally new and unheard of. Adam Warlock would be kickass...but it doesn't make sense. How is he tied to the Kree Empire? Or the Phalanx for that matter? (Aside from the fact that there was a 'Warlock' in the Phalanx before).

Gage has already said that it's going to be a character we've seen before.

Ya know, this series would have been the perfect place to reintroduce Captain Mar-vell. I mean, it's not like they did a damn thing with him since 'The Return'.

Actually, Captain Marvel is going to have a mini come out around the same time as Conquest. During the mini he's even supposed to find out that the Kree are sealed away and bump up against the bubble!

[The Cool Thatguy]

Actually, Captain Marvel is going to have a mini come out around the same time as Conquest. During the mini he's even supposed to find out that the Kree are sealed away and bump up against the bubble!

I think an epic return during a battle for the fate of the universe is alot more dramatic than Captain Marvel flying through space, seeing the bubble, and then returning home after a panel of angst, don't you? ;)

[XPac]

I have a feeling it's going to be somebody totally new and unheard of. Adam Warlock would be kickass...but it doesn't make sense. How is he tied to the Kree Empire? Or the Phalanx for that matter? (Aside from the fact that there was a 'Warlock' in the Phalanx before).

He's not. But the fact that Gamora is in trouble would probably be enough of a reason for Warlock to get involved.

[Question27]

I have a feeling it's going to be somebody totally new and unheard of. Adam Warlock would be kickass...but it doesn't make sense. How is he tied to the Kree Empire? Or the Phalanx for that matter? (Aside from the fact that there was a 'Warlock' in the Phalanx before).

Well it depends on who they reveal as the big bad. Yeah Adam has nothing to do with Kree or Phalanx. But the guy behind it could be someone Adam Warlock knows, or has had dealings with. If he is the savior, and truthfull I think even though Giffen said those things, Adam is still the savior.

[Xanrn]

I have a feeling its going to be Genis.

He is a good character who is not being used and is fairly well known by modern Marvel fans.

Of course it could be some kooky character from 20+ years ago.

But Genis would get a better reaction from being better known.

The saviour should be someone people don't go "Huh? Who" and then go look them up on Wikipedia.

[drwho]

By that logic they would have never used the Phalanx. Not like they are number one on the best known villains list.

[FanboyStranger]

I've said from the beginning that the savior is Quoi, the Cotati Messiah, and I'm standing by that. Here's a few of my reasons: his very nature threatens the machinery of the Phlanx, Moondragon and Mantis are heavily involved (although I suspect that this is not the true Mantis, which leads me to further suspect that Kang or Immortis may be behind the Phalanx attack, particularly when you factor in that DnA were involved in the wriiting of the disasterous Crossing and may want to redeem parts of that story), I still suspect, as stated above, Kang as the ultimate villain, considering his role in the orginal "Celestial Madonna" storyline and that there's a Kang-centric Avengers HC coming out the month A:Conquest begins, and it's the kind of move that writers who enjoy and respect continuity like DnA and Gage would go for.

[Lord S]

I've said from the beginning that the savior is Quoi, the Cotati Messiah, and I'm standing by that. Oh yes I forgot about Quoi...cause afterall, he is a forgettable character. But oh well...I hope to dear God it's not him.

[Starbrand]

I've said from the beginning that the savior is Quoi, the Cotati Messiah, and I'm standing by that.

That would make me cry. I have nothing against the character but it would serve no purpose other than to somewhat satisfy the most hardcore of cosmic marvel fans.

[DaeJi]

I think the payoff to the whole mini has to be a character that a lot of the fans reading will know *cough*Genis*cough*. Using an obscure character would be cruel.

[FanboyStranger]

That would make me cry. I have nothing against the character but it would serve no purpose other than to somewhat satisfy the most hardcore of cosmic marvel fans.

See, that may be the way you see it-- and quite frankly, I don't think you're wrong-- but the glass-half-full side of me sees it as an attempt at an adequate conclusion to the first of Marvel's great cosmic sagas after many missteps. So, yeah, maybe only me, Kurt Busiek, Joe Casey, and a few others might want a conclusion to the thirty odd year saga of the Cosmic Messiah, but if it's a well-written and well-drawn story, who is going to complain? The handful of hardcore Adam Warlock-- and seriously, insert your favorite cosmic character here because they're all fringe characters-- fans? Be glad that something good is being done with these characters because they've been neglected for about a decade, if not longer.

The point, in short, is that if you're a fan of any cosmic Marvel character, save maybe Nova, you're a hardcore cosmic Marvel fan, and nothing from the past is going to turn you off that.

[Cthulhudrew]

Who could be a better savior than Aquarian (http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/a/aquarian.htm)?

[DaeJi]

See, that may be the way you see it-- and quite frankly, I don't think you're wrong-- but the glass-half-full side of me sees it as an attempt at an adequate conclusion to the first of Marvel's great cosmic sagas after many missteps. So, yeah, maybe only me, Kurt Busiek, Joe Casey, and a few others might want a conclusion to the thirty odd year saga of the Cosmic Messiah, but if it's a well-written and well-drawn story, who is going to complain? The handful of hardcore Adam Warlock-- and seriously, insert your favorite cosmic character here because they're all fringe characters-- fans? Be glad that something good is being done with these characters because they've been neglected for about a decade, if not longer.

The point, in short, is that if you're a fan of any cosmic Marvel character, save maybe Nova, you're a hardcore cosmic Marvel fan, and nothing from the past is going to turn you off that.

Quoi is obscure for even cosmic fans.

[Lord S]

Now that I really think about it...Quoi makes sense. Especially considering his mother, (Mantis), is involved in this story. Maybe she'll get killed and that'll cause him to act. He was built up as being this great 'Celestial Messiah', yet never really did anything. 'Celestial Quest' was an absolutely atrocious story, and maybe now he'll get the proper chance to shine.

I'm actually warming up to the idea. That would also make Kang the Conquerer the natural 'big bad' behind the Conquest...sort of like the 'Celestial Madonna' story coming full circle.

They should throw Thanos in there just for fun, (or at least a Thanosi)...cause he's been tied into it as well, in the past.

[XPac]

I think the payoff to the whole mini has to be a character that a lot of the fans reading will know *cough*Genis*cough*. Using an obscure character would be cruel.

Yeah, but the Annihilations have used a lot of obscure characters and villians. While I would certainly like a more A list character being used here, it wouldn't shock me if a few people needed to pull out their handbooks for this one.

Really, who the hell was Starlord?

[DaeJi]

Yeah, but the Annihilations have used a lot of obscure characters and villians. While I would certainly like a more A list character being used here, it wouldn't shock me if a few people needed to pull out their handbooks for this one.

Really, who the hell was Starlord?

I think if they are going to build up a surprise character, like they are the savior and the big bad, they are going to use a character that the majority of the readers are going to know. I mean, would Annihilation have been as cool is at the end of the Prologue, the bad big was reveled to be a guy who no one had heard of?

[XPac]

I think if they are going to build up a surprise character, like they are the savior and the big bad, they are going to use a character that the majority of the readers are going to know. I mean, would Annihilation have been as cool is at the end of the Prologue, the bad big was reveled to be a guy who no one had heard of?

Well, speaking only for myself I didn't think the Annihilation prologue was that cool despite knowing who a FF B lister like Annihilus was. Annihilus had to grow on me as a credible threat.

For what it's worth, I do think the story of the Celestial Madonna was actually a fairly big chapter in Avengers history. The pay off of the child itself was pretty non-existant... but the start of the story was significant. Using Annihilation to actually make that old story mean something wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

[Arilou]

They should throw Thanos in there just for fun, (or at least a Thanosi)...cause he's been tied into it as well, in the past.

Now, let Thanos stay dead (and happy) for a while.

He'll return eventually of course, but it is too soon.

[Gibbering Fool]

Its the Delinquent! Well I don't think so but there's a character that looks a lot like him in one of the preview pages from Quasar #4 on Comicscontinuum.com

[TheORKINMan]

I would really like to have Genis back. Considering rumors have been floating around incessatnly thanks to Avengers: The Initiave cover I'm surprised Wendell isn't a more popular choice for the savior.

I dislike this incarnation of the Phalanx simply because the Technarchy should be all over these guys trying to destroy them. But they are no where to be found. The out of phase thing seems fairly lame as the Technarchy is a lot more powerful then the Phalanx.

[DaeJi]

I would really like to have Genis back. Considering rumors have been floating around incessatnly thanks to Avengers: The Initiave cover I'm surprised Wendell isn't a more popular choice for the savior.

I want Genis back too. I think the explanation for that cover was that it was every hero that was in the S.H.I.E.L.D. data banks, and Wendell was in there. But there's always hope.

I dislike this incarnation of the Phalanx simply because the Technarchy should be all over these guys trying to destroy them. But they are no where to be found. The out of phase thing seems fairly lame as the Technarchy is a lot more powerful then the Phalanx.

Well, several times it's been mentioned that the Phalanx got an upgrade, and they did encase the Kree Empire in a huge bubble. The Technarchy probably just can't get to them, and even if they could the Phalanx may have upgraded to a form that can match them for power.

[XPac]

I would really like to have Genis back. Considering rumors have been floating around incessatnly thanks to Avengers: The Initiave cover I'm surprised Wendell isn't a more popular choice for the savior.

I dislike this incarnation of the Phalanx simply because the Technarchy should be all over these guys trying to destroy them. But they are no where to be found. The out of phase thing seems fairly lame as the Technarchy is a lot more powerful then the Phalanx.

Yeah, I'm kinda looking forward to the Technarchy making an appearance too. In theory, they are the REAL threat... the Phalanx is just kind of a side effect. Perhaps they will be the resolution to this whole thing... the goodguys will somehow bring the technarchy around to save the day the same way Galactus was freed to defeat the Annihilation Wave.

[Gibbering Fool]

An "out there but not really" idea for who the Saviour might be could be Glorian. I mean the guys a reality warper, which could make him useful against the Kree. Also, it would be good to follow up on him since his appearance in the Ronan mini seemed a bit pointless.

[Jinxer]

It's Granny Goodness.

I have this odd feeling like it's going to be a Captain Marvel, the first one.

[Gargus]

WHen does this story actually start?

I got the prolouge awhile ago but havent seen the actual core books come out yet. I didnt get the suplimental side stories that have been coming out.

[DaeJi]

WHen does this story actually start?

I got the prolouge awhile ago but havent seen the actual core books come out yet. I didnt get the suplimental side stories that have been coming out.

Well, the savior will be reveled in Quasar #4, and the main series starts up in November.

[Gargus]

Well, the savior will be reveled in Quasar #4, and the main series starts up in November.

Saviour? Shit! I dont know what that is (dont tell me either hehe)

I take it this means I should have been getting the offshoots then?

If so which ones do the stories run through and are they worth reading? Im assuming they are setup like the first annihilation where each was its own story that tied into the main story.

[DaeJi]

If so which ones do the stories run through and are they worth reading? Im assuming they are setup like the first annihilation where each was its own story that tied into the main story.

Pretty much. Nova is an ongoing series, and well worth being put on any pull list. Starlord is the fan favorite, with more people liking that the best than any of the other minis. Quasar has probably been the most important and has had the most action (along with Nova), though it does lean heavily on the Quasar/Moondragon relationship and that has turned people off. Wraith is the black sheep in most eyes, though the last issue promises to be good and even tie into another mini.

[TheORKINMan]

Wraith has actually been my favorite so far. All of the series have been great though, all 4 are worth picking up.

[Gargus]

So which lines are the 4 stories running through?

And are they all just mini series?

[DaeJi]

So which lines are the 4 stories running through?

And are they all just mini series?

It's set up in the same way as Annihilation, so yeah, it's just the four minis (except for Nova, which is an ongoing, thought the Annihilation: Conquest arc is only going to last four issues) which are all building up to the big event.

[moochavelli]

I just had an idea so god-awful horrible i can't get it out of my head. The "saviour" in the cocoon is "Origin". Last I saw he was gestating in a cocoon in deep space. After emerging he could go around changing all the heroes back stories so that they are immune to the techno-virus to begin with. Then they change the name of the main arc to....... (are you ready :evilsmile ) Ret-Con-Quest. Tell me that wouldn't piss off every comics fan on the planet (and make alot of money apparently)! Come to think of it i hope no one at Marvel see's this post!

[Mr. Bowflex]

I just had an idea so god-awful horrible i can't get it out of my head. The "saviour" in the cocoon is "Origin". Last I saw he was gestating in a cocoon in deep space. After emerging he could go around changing all the heroes back stories so that they are immune to the techno-virus to begin with. Then they change the name of the main arc to....... (are you ready :evilsmile ) Ret-Con-Quest. Tell me that wouldn't piss off every comics fan on the planet (and make alot of money apparently)! Come to think of it i hope no one at Marvel see's this post!

This sounds so crazy that it might work. . .