Upcoming Marvel Major Event Forshadowed

[Immortal]

So far in two Marvel comics I've read, this event has been hinted.
The books this is mentioned in is Nightcrawler: The Winding Way, published in 2006. The other being Civil War: Peter Parker, Spiderman; published in 2007.

The event I speak of, is what appears to be Hell taking over Earth. Both these depictions, Mephisto speaking of the Leviathan emerging from the sea to destroy the world (Nightcrawler: The Winding Way). As well as Madame Webb's vision of a war where God is absent and the presence evil is rampant (Civil War: Peter Parker, Spiderman). Also in Madame Webb's vision the Leviathan is also present but not named.

I have already returned these volumes to the library but I did however, manage to photo copy the pages covering the information. I will post them once I repair my scanner.

Though I have a feeling the Secret Invasion of the Skrull will be highlighted before this catastrophe surfaces.

Anyone else hear or read anything about this?

[Monty_Cristo]

you're forgetting the Hood being possessed by a demon and all of the Mystic Arcanna stuff.

[Rich L]

I'm fairly sure that this is being set up by Roberto Aguirre-Sarcasa (who wrote Nightcrawler and the Spidey issues) - in fact, at the NYCC this year, CB Cebulski was asked:

Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa mentioned that a big, magic epic is coming up - is it Mystic Arcana, or something separate?

Cebulski: It's something different, but Arcana sets up the world where what Sacasa is talking about.

The link to that is here (http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/cup_o_joe.html) (half way down the page)- that's all I could find at short notice.

[DaeJi]

Marvel has also mentioned that Mephisto will be a huge villain down the line, along with all the mystic stuff happening. Personally an even like that sounds AWESOME! Two areas of Marvel that have really needed love in last few years are the cosmic and supernatural. The cosmos are in good shape now, so it's high time Marvel busted out with a huge supernatural epic, and something like what has been hinted with Mephisto is just the ticket.

[Cam Man]

I remember hearing about this awhile back. Actually I thought that after Civil War this was the rumored next big thing. However two small references from just two books isn't much evidence it is looming. I think the upcoming Secret Invasion has the opportunity of being so much more than anything we've seen recently. How much have the heroes missed by being asleep at the wheel during CW? How deep does the invasion go already? Who's for real and who's all skrully? Bring it!

[DaeJi]

It would be nice to get an event on Marvel Earth where there's a clearly defined bad guy and clearly defined good guys, both for the readers and the characters. While Secret Invasion does look to bust out of the "hero vs. hero" mold, there will still be a lot of mistrust between the heroes while they try to figure out who is a Skrull and who isn't. It'll be fun to read, but then again so will an event where everyone is on the same page.

[Capt Hunter]

Bring it on... A mystic crossover on the scale of Annihilation would be most welcomed... Hell they brought Thor back didn't they. It also hinted that Thor needs to be in the right place at the right time to stop a "disaster". I don't have the issue in front of me but it does say something to that effect.

[DaeJi]

Bring it on... A mystic crossover on the scale of Annihilation would be most welcomed... Hell they brought Thor back didn't they. It also hinted that Thor needs to be in the right place at the right time to stop a "disaster". I don't have the issue in front of me but it does say something to that effect.

It says that in the first issue of the new series. Personally, an event like this would be prefect for Thor, and he and Mephisto go ways back.

[1WEBHEAD]

Bring it on... A mystic crossover on the scale of Annihilation would be most welcomed... Hell they brought Thor back didn't they. It also hinted that Thor needs to be in the right place at the right time to stop a "disaster". I don't have the issue in front of me but it does say something to that effect.

Yeah, Donald Blake showed Thor a hellish future reality if Thor didn't return in Thor #1.

After Skrulls, I'd like Marvel to raise some hell! :D

[Immortal]

I'm fairly sure that this is being set up by Roberto Aguirre-Sarcasa (who wrote Nightcrawler and the Spidey issues) - in fact, at the NYCC this year, CB Cebulski was asked:



The link to that is here (http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/cup_o_joe.html) (half way down the page)- that's all I could find at short notice.

Mystic Arcana is four separate stories focused on the magic users of the Marvelverse.

The event of which I speak would definitely delve deeper than a one-shot comic series.

[DaeJi]

Mystic Arcana is four separate stories focused on the magic users of the Marvelverse.

The event of which I speak would definitely delve deeper than a one-shot comic series.

I think what he's getting at, is that Mystic Arcana is part of a set-up for such an event; it was said that MA would lead into something bigger.

[Immortal]

My apologies, I misread the statement thinking Mystic Arcana was said event.

I will look further into the Arcana series and see if it has any correlation to the foreshadowing.

[Jinxer]

In Mystic Arcana Ian McNee is getting more and more badass by the minute and they're saying that he is going to be on the level of Doctor Strange.

I just hope they aren't building up Ian McNee so that he can die in the next event, or something like, 'Ian was Granny Goodness all this time, el-oh-el.'

edit: for hilarity

[DaeJi]

In Mystic Arcana Ian McNee is getting more and more badass by the minute and they're saying that he is going to be on the level of Doctor Strange.

I just hope they aren't building up Ian McNee so that he can die in the next event, or something like, 'Ian was Dormamu all this time, el-oh-el.'

Or worse, make him into a Mary Sue who's soooo much better at everything than Dr. Strange. But I don't think they are going either route with him, I think he's going to end up a good character in the Marvel roster.

[Monty_Cristo]

i want to see an Ian McNee/Amadeus Cho face-off. they are both young, resourceful, and mostly unproven characters whom readers are undecided about. it might do them good to beat each other up. throw Daisy Johnson in there too. she's supposed to have a really high i.q. (although we haven't seen it).

[Camron Amaya]

So far in two Marvel comics I've read, this event has been hinted.
The books this is mentioned in is Nightcrawler: The Winding Way, published in 2006. The other being Civil War: Peter Parker, Spiderman; published in 2007.

The event I speak of, is what appears to be Hell taking over Earth. Both these depictions, Mephisto speaking of the Leviathan emerging from the sea to destroy the world (Nightcrawler: The Winding Way). As well as Madame Webb's vision of a war where God is absent and the presence evil is rampant (Civil War: Peter Parker, Spiderman). Also in Madame Webb's vision the Leviathan is also present but not named.

I have already returned these volumes to the library but I did however, manage to photo copy the pages covering the information. I will post them once I repair my scanner.

Though I have a feeling the Secret Invasion of the Skrull will be highlighted before this catastrophe surfaces.

Anyone else hear or read anything about this?


Oh don't you worry, he's back!

:cool:

[Lord S]

It's nice to see they're finally going to give Mephisto some respect...he SHOULD have been the main villain behind the 'House of M' fiasco, but no they had to make it Pietro. :rolleyes:

Would have made sense with his connection to Wanda and her kids.

Oh well...I'm glad they're giving him a chance to shine, here.

[kcaroli]

Aside from the vision of a hellish future in Thor#1 if he did not return to Earth it was specificly demons not merely any sort of monsters/warriors etc who tried to stop him. As noted by others Mephisto is supposed to be big in the forseeable future and again as indicated has faught Thor more than once. STRACZYNSKI seems to enjoy epic battles of good and evil, order and chaos based upon his prior work.I read elsewhere that when asked about Thor Alan Moore told a fan he knew Straczynski and some of his pans for the character and liked what he'd seen. His fondness for big themes as well as the occult could fit such an oppinon were it true.
lt's also been stated tat Thor will play a major role in the MU over the next 18 months which goes well beyond the projections for the Skrull story. The latter may well be part of a 'softenning up' process along with Civil War to place the heroes in a more precarious position when the supernatural threat emerges, if it does.

[Monty_Cristo]

Mephisto needs a new look. he's never struck me as particularly intimidating; the tights and all.

[Rich L]

I think what he's getting at, is that Mystic Arcana is part of a set-up for such an event; it was said that MA would lead into something bigger.

Yep, that was what I was getting at.

[Young Avenger]

Another major event was foreshadowed in She-Hulk #3. I believe it was called the Reckoning War.

[Badfish40oz]

I would LOVE this.

[MakeshiftHero]

You could not only bring in Thor but also Silver Surfer. Seeing as how Meph. was set up as his main villain at the begining of Surfers series.

But I don't think he would fit into a story of mystics now days.

[Starbrand]

Another major event was foreshadowed in She-Hulk #3. I believe it was called the Reckoning War.

Yeah that was slated to happen in She Hulk but since Slott went to Initiative it is making the move with him.

[DaeJi]

You could not only bring in Thor but also Silver Surfer. Seeing as how Meph. was set up as his main villain at the begining of Surfers series.

But I don't think he would fit into a story of mystics now days.

I love those early Surfer stories, and I've always loved Meph as the Surfer's main for. But, for now, the Silver Surfer is back with Galactus as his Herald, and I don't expect him to show up to Earth anytime soon.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Mephisto needs a new look. he's never struck me as particularly intimidating; the tights and all.

Mephisto has more then one form, he has used a scarier, more demonic form in the past, in the DD issues he appeared in, he looked far more alien and inhuman then he normally does.

[Thursaiz]

Loki & Mephisto VS the Marvel Universe.

The heroes might as well give up now.

[Monty_Cristo]

Mephisto has more then one form, he has used a scarier, more demonic form in the past, in the DD issues he appeared in, he looked far more alien and inhuman then he normally does.

what i mean to say is that he needs to be drawn by McNiven/look creepier than the Void.

[Blader5489]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I recall Mysterio coming back to life in FNSM and saying that he and Spider-Man were pawns in some grand plan that Mephisto had. Is that supposed to be foreshadowing for the event mentioned in this thread?

[Clea]

Or worse, make him into a Mary Sue who's soooo much better at everything than Dr. Strange. But I don't think they are going either route with him, I think he's going to end up a good character in the Marvel roster.

I suspect that Marvel is setting up Ian McNee to replace Dr. Strange as Sorcerer Supreme, either temporarily or permanently, based on what said in the Marvel Tarot's description of the "Magician" card.

[DaeJi]

I suspect that Marvel is setting up Ian McNee to replace Dr. Strange as Sorcerer Supreme, either temporarily or permanently, based on what said in the Marvel Tarot's description of the "Magician" card.

Because that would go over soooooooooooooo well :rolleyes:. For the love of all that is holy, if they want to replace Strange at least do it with a character who has been around for a long time, like Clea or Brother Voodoo. Or Doom.

[MartinRedmond]

I foresee an event where the plot is that zombies are given and income of souls they need to keep spending on multiple useless supplies they should be getting from a single corpse anyway.

[CMBMOOL]

I suspect that Marvel is setting up Ian McNee to replace Dr. Strange as Sorcerer Supreme, either temporarily or permanently, based on what said in the Marvel Tarot's description of the "Magician" card.

Well after Strange's choice of actions in World War Hulk I wouldn't be surprise. :D

[Greg Anderson]

Hmm, what do you guys think? Could this some how tie into Blade's involvement given that all the vamps he's killed have been brought back?

[matthewaos]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I recall Mysterio coming back to life in FNSM and saying that he and Spider-Man were pawns in some grand plan that Mephisto had. Is that supposed to be foreshadowing for the event mentioned in this thread?

Don't think that Mephisto was mentioned, but yeah I remember that. He wasn't "actually" resurrected. I'm not sure if it was something David wanted to say, or if it was Sacasa's plot. Haven't read the Nightcrawler story that it is mentioned, but I have read an interview where Sacassa says about the hints, and his magic event...

[Karl H]

I suspect that Marvel is setting up Ian McNee to replace Dr. Strange as Sorcerer Supreme, either temporarily or permanently, based on what said in the Marvel Tarot's description of the "Magician" card.

Well McNee has always struck me as incredibly arrogant.

I can see him taking on the mantle following Strange's recent actions (not even mentionning the is strange a skrull theory, which could be linked to this), making some mistakes through his arrogance and overconfidence when and having to be saved by the real Strange, thus giving Strange the major push in his own right that he's in need of.

[Adamantium_Avatar]

It's funny to be reading this actually.. I have felt for quite a long time now that Marvel seem poised to get rid of Doctor Strange.


A massive magical crossover would be fantastic though.. I also want heroes to be fighting villians again.. The whole 'meeting up and confusing another hero for a villian' is great for the start of a story but to base multiple crossovers on it is just very lazy writing.

So, thumbs up for this one :D

[Lombardo!]

I'm fairly sure that this is being set up by Roberto Aguirre-Sarcasa (who wrote Nightcrawler and the Spidey issues) - in fact, at the NYCC this year, CB Cebulski was asked:



The link to that is here (http://www.newsarama.com/NYCC/2007/Marvel/cup_o_joe.html) (half way down the page)- that's all I could find at short notice.

it's been a long time coming for aguirre-sacasa - including his Marvel Knights 4 (even though they say MK is out of continuity) there was major storylines contributing to this

[Wonder Dude]

With the way the Avengers are torn apart and the state of the Defenders, an event revisiting the Avengers/Defenders War vs Loki/Dormammu (Mephisto?) is not that big a stretch. Dr. Strange is well placed. Hulk and Sub-Mariner are persona non grata, the Surfer is close to toast and Valkyrie is missing. Now who's got the Evil Eye?

[The Master Meglomaniac]

Perhaps Mephisto can create a new Legion of the Unliving, with characters who have died and gone to hell serving as Mephisto's powered minions.

Well let's see, who is dead at the moment, who can be a member?

[Monty_Cristo]

Perhaps Mephisto can create a new Legion of the Unliving, with characters who have died and gone to hell serving as Mephisto's powered minions.

Well let's see, who is dead at the moment, who can be a member?

i'd rather he use a demonic version of Black Talon to unearth the dead, actually. but back to your question...Stilt-Man, Jester, Jack O'Lantern, Mark Scarlotti, Lloyd Bloch, etc.

[Monty_Cristo]

Well McNee has always struck me as incredibly arrogant.

which is perfect for a magic user. Stephen used to be real arrogant too.

Because that would go over soooooooooooooo well :rolleyes:. For the love of all that is holy, if they want to replace Strange at least do it with a character who has been around for a long time, like Clea or Brother Voodoo. Or Doom.

he's not that new of a character; going by his handbook entry. and he pretty much set out to be the sorceror supreme in his first appearance. i'm not saying it's a good idea to replace Doc Strange. but i think it would be logical to make Ian his apprentice.