Would you buy a Cosmic Avengers book?

[Shyft]

Over the years the various cosmic characters have had mixed fortunes when it comes to keep books afloat. Recent interest in Annihilation has however shown that the interest IS there. For me personally, i like the large numbers of cosmic characters involved in Annihilation. Its what makes me pick it up, and on the opposite, why im a much less frequent reader of solo books.

So, would you reada cosmic team book? Not neccesarily titled "Cosmic Avengers" , that was just the best general theme title i could come up with. If so who would you want on the team, as supporting characters, rogues gallery etc?

[pimp1911]

If Rocket Raccoon is on the team. Yes.

[cernunnos]

I would buy a team book with cosmic characters, especially with this lineup:

Adam Warlock
Nova
Drax the Destroyer
Phyla-Vell
Moondragon
Gamora
Starlord
Super-Skrull
Jack of Hearts- I know he's dead, but it would be easy to bring him back.

Ronan and Firelord could help out from time to time.

[Nova3333]

Although I like the idea, it depends on who writes it and who draws it and more importantly who is in it! Nova would have to be a central character to etch my interest as would say Starlord, Drax, Quasar (both of them!), etc. Stories would have to echo the darker, more realistic approach that Annihilation did rather than plain-old cosmic abstract stuff. Maybe instead of Cosmic Avengers, perhaps it should be Nova Corps!

[moochavelli]

Oh yeah, I'd love to see a cosmic team book. I don't know about another avengers book (although im a huge avengers guy) but maybe this would be a good way to get the Defenders franchise back up and going.

My choices for a roster?
Wendell Vaughn
Nova
Phylla
Moondragon
Super-Skrull
Starlord
Silver Surfer
Beta-Ray Bill

and of course there would be guest stars galore! :)

[Harlock]

I voted depends on creative team and roster. I really liked The Defenders books of old. I was saddened when The "New" Defenders lost the 3 original X-Men (but at the same time very happy to see them reunited with Cyclops and Marvel Girl in X-Factor).

I said it depends on the creative team mostly because I really do not care to see a science fiction comic per se. I do not want a team set solely in space. I liked The Defenders because they could do cosmic, Supernatural, and "domestic" storylines as needed.

The roster could obviously make that feasible, relevant and downright fun.

[Shyft]

I voted depends on creative team and roster. I really liked The Defenders books of old. I was saddened when The "New" Defenders lost the 3 original X-Men (but at the same time very happy to see them reunited with Cyclops and Marvel Girl in X-Factor).

I said it depends on the creative team mostly because I really do not care to see a science fiction comic per se. I do not want a team set solely in space. I liked The Defenders because they could do cosmic, Supernatural, and "domestic" storylines as needed.

The roster could obviously make that feasible, relevant and downright fun.

thats obviously a possibility, but i am asking more about teams that are more or less solely set in space to feed the Marvel Cosmic setting with a team book.

[Harlock]

thats obviously a possibility, but i am asking more about teams that are more or less solely set in space to feed the Marvel Cosmic setting with a team book.

If that were the case, I'd pass.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

thats obviously a possibility, but i am asking more about teams that are more or less solely set in space to feed the Marvel Cosmic setting with a team book.

It would really depend on the cast and creative team, for me. I do think that maybe there's a market for an ongoing Space Opera series, for want of a better term, but being totally seperate to the the rest of the MU would not necessarily interest me.

Of course if it got Rocket Racoon a regular gig...:rolleyes: :D

[Shyft]

It would really depend on the cast and creative team, for me. I do think that maybe there's a market for an ongoing Space Opera series, for want of a better term, but being totally seperate to the the rest of the MU would not necessarily interest me.

Of course if it got Rocket Racoon a regular gig...:rolleyes: :D

obviously it would still be ABLE to interact, in the event of Cosmic events affecting earth, for adventures on Earth every now and then. But the nature of alot of cosmic characters powers (especially the strength of their powers) kinda means they would be a bit over-powered for most Earth bound events!

The various Annihilation books havent had any impact on Earth, and they have still been very interesting in their own right.

[Brother Zag]

As we've seen, especially in Annihilation: Conquest (so far), there are a lot of former Defenders involved in cosmic shenanigans... I like the idea of The Defenders revived as a cosmic team title!

Seems like it could grow organically (or, um, techno-organically?) out of the Nova title, as he's gonna need some help while he rebuilds the corps.

So, Nova would have to be part of it, and Peter Quill, Starlord, too.

But is there a big enough, sustainable enough villain to fight on an ongoing basis? Vulcan and the Shi'ar? Whoever our big bad is coming up in Conquest? We don't want a planet-of-the-month club, or warmed over Trek, or a rehash of the Infinty Watch (do we?).

I love the character of Warlock, but don't believe he's built for a team book (probably why he ended up "meditating" through so many Infinity Watch issues...). He's kind of a Deus Ex Machina, when used at full power he can be too powerful, like the Dr. Strange of Outer Space... Of course, Strange did lead the Defenders, so maybe there is a case to be made for Adam.

Silver Surfer? Maybe Hulk wants to go back into space? Not sure who else would make a good team member...

[The Sword Is Drawn]

As we've seen, especially in Annihilation: Conquest (so far), there are a lot of former Defenders involved in cosmic shenanigans... I like the idea of The Defenders revived as a cosmic team title!

Actually, yes, that's not a bad idea. I could buy into that. But I'd still want Rocket there. :D

And possibly Death's Head. The real one - none of this unrelated 3.0 nonsense.

[Chris N]

Avengers Infinity was awesome. I approve of a line-up like that for a series.

[static]

id like to see a catch all kinda anthology book to come out of Anihilation that would be stories in different arcs by diff creative teams that deal with the aftermath of the current mix up in the cosmic MU. you could have a starlord arc, a Quasar arc, a Roccet Racoon story, and then move it over to the Vulcan stuff in Xmen after that story line finishes. i dont think the market would sustain a monthy after a year but this could be like a rotating miniseries thing like has been happening with Anihilation

[Magneto_X]

Yes.

Busiek had a great one-off during his run with an issue drawn by JRjr where Thor, Photon and other heavy hitters deal with cosmic stuff and it was fantastic.

Would love a series like that.

[StoneGold]

Depends on the creative team. And even then, Avengers Infinity kind of sucked. Although I guess I was expecting something more along the lines of Avengers Forever. But even then, it kind of sucked.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

id like to see a catch all kinda anthology book to come out of Anihilation that would be stories in different arcs by diff creative teams that deal with the aftermath of the current mix up in the cosmic MU. you could have a starlord arc, a Quasar arc, a Roccet Racoon story, and then move it over to the Vulcan stuff in Xmen after that story line finishes. i dont think the market would sustain a monthy after a year but this could be like a rotating miniseries thing like has been happening with Anihilation

That could work. And the rotation would certainly improve its shelf life, I'd agree.

[sdman619]

I would by a team of Cosmic characters just not a Cosmic Avengers. I think the Avengers have been watered down over the years with mis-use of the Avengers name or branding. Certain character should have never been Avengers and are just not in the league of other characters.

I like my Cosmic stories kept separate.

[Shyft]

I would by a team of Cosmic characters just not a Cosmic Avengers. I think the Avengers have been watered down over the years with mis-use of the Avengers name or branding. Certain character should have never been Avengers and are just not in the league of other characters.

I like my Cosmic stories kept separate.

as i said, i just called them Cosmic Avengers to symbolize they were a Cosmic Team book. Could be called the Defenders, or whatever.

[DaeJi]

What I would love to see the Annihilation crew become members of a new Nova Corps; they could be part of a specially force designed to handle threats that regular Corps members cannot. I don't think they should be a permenant team, not like the Avengers, but a loosely connect group of heroes like the Defenders. Specially space agents that are called in when their help is needed. They could have:

Quasar
Starlord
Moondragon
Drax
Super-Skrull
Praxagora
Firelord
Mantis
Rocket Raccoon

And others. A book that rotated stories about them would kick as well.

[EnDwiGast]

Over the years the various cosmic characters have had mixed fortunes when it comes to keep books afloat. Recent interest in Annihilation has however shown that the interest IS there. For me personally, i like the large numbers of cosmic characters involved in Annihilation. Its what makes me pick it up, and on the opposite, why im a much less frequent reader of solo books.

So, would you reada cosmic team book? Not neccesarily titled "Cosmic Avengers" , that was just the best general theme title i could come up with. If so who would you want on the team, as supporting characters, rogues gallery etc?

Bring back Avengers Infinity! I always wish that had become an ongoing. Or Star Masters. One or the other, with the original members plus new additions and a revived Infinity watch would be excellent reads.

Maybe a present day Guardians of the Galaxy. (I know how greedy I am being. :D )

[Babylon23]

I'd be up for it, depending on the lineup. If any of my favourite cosmic character were there (Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Drax, Mantis) I'd definitely chekc it out.

Actually, I wouldn't mind seeing an actual cosmic-based Avengers team either, much like Avengers: Infinity.

[Mysterio's Helmet]

Now I really enjoyed the story and the line-up for Avengers Infinity. Only enjoyed the line-up for StarMasters.

If Marvel actually approaced a cosmic/team book, I'd hope they'd stay away from the "avengers" tag. IMO, it's watered down, as is right now.

I'd hope for an a great line-up building off the last couple efforts.

Nova (the new hero)
Quasar (Wendell) - The never-say-die leader
K'lrt - the dirty player (fights with others but ultimately will help out-only on rare missions)
Beta Ray Bill - the muscle
Rocket Raccoon- the comedian with lots of firepower
Mantis- the zen master
Gamora- the inbetween bezerker/assassin
Ko-Rel- why not????? the student to Nova's sensei (and even then , he's not a master yet......

But that's just me...wishes and dreams and such...

[The Scribe]

Yes, I would. :D

Avengers Infinity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avengers_Infinity) ;)


The series could also be called, Intergalactic Avengers.

[Shadow ES]

I'd read it. Especially if Firelord was in it.

[Jinxer]

I would buy it. I would buy it nine times!

I like the idea of reviving the Nova Corps though I doubt many of the people we've mentioned as members would appreciate being on it.

Marvel has done a great job building up all sorts of cosmic characters with Annihilation, I only hope they can continue the greatness as another legendary super team on par with the JLA or the Avengers.

[The Scribe]

I like the idea of reviving the Nova Corps.


;)

Someone start a Nova Corps thread. :D

[Capt USA]

I said yes, but truthfully it really depends on how well it's written.

When I think of cosmic Avengers, the tone I want to see would be a guardians of the galaxy feel. I know that many of those storylines tried to capitalize on the future of the marvel universe which isn't what I want, but the feel of them as a team of 'avengers' is what the book gave me. I want a good size (8-12) member team with distinct personalities, a powerful ship that basically do star trek superhero storylines.

Personally I don't want Nova on it, because I would prefer for him to be more like a Kyle Rayner Green Lantern. He could guest of course, but he would take over a team book like this too easily.

resurrect Jack of Hearts (if he hasn't been already),
Grab whoever survives from Star-Lord (have the sun make Star-Lord a new ship) hopefully this would include Bug, Rocket Raccoon, and Mantis (not sure about the walking tree) and a powerless captain universe. Then search for more heroes (lyja if alive still would be a nice skrull to add to the list) A kree would be pretty necessary, and of course a Shi-ar.

Then basically have them constantly put into situations where they have to do a good deed.

[Monty_Cristo]

i wouldn't mind a cosmic Avengers team existing, as long as it doesn't conflict with Star-Lord's rag tag crew.


1. Captain Mar-vell
2. Pulsar
3. Nova
4. Quasar
5. Moondragon
6. Star-Lord (or Beta Ray Bill)
7. Gamora
8. Noh-var
---
a resurrected Jack of Hearts in some role


&

a smaller Andromeda/Firefly-style space hero group....

1. Star-Lord
2. Mantis
3. Bug
4. Rocket Raccoon
5. Drax
6. Captain Universe

[Capt USA]

i wouldn't mind a cosmic Avengers team existing, as long as it doesn't conflict with Star-Lord's rag tag crew.


1. Captain Mar-vell
2. Pulsar
3. Nova
4. Quasar
5. Moondragon
6. Star-Lord (or Beta Ray Bill)
7. Gamora
8. Noh-var
---
a resurrected Jack of Hearts in some role


&

a smaller Andromeda/Firefly-style space hero group....

1. Star-Lord
2. Mantis
3. Bug
4. Rocket Raccoon
5. Drax
6. Captain Universe

I like that, I was thinking they could do three seris (the third would be a nova corps type of thing) but like the dichotomy of your two groups, one is an ultimate power team basically, while the other is a group of specialist with normal levels(except cap u and drax) Still think your "andomeda/firefly" team needs at least one other female character, you have mantis as your stealth celestial madonna role, but you need to get a female that does the practical stuff. (flirt with the bad guys, distraction etc...plus for cheesecake factor)

[Monty_Cristo]

I like that, I was thinking they could do three seris (the third would be a nova corps type of thing) but like the dichotomy of your two groups, one is an ultimate power team basically, while the other is a group of specialist with normal levels(except cap u and drax) Still think your "andomeda/firefly" team needs at least one other female character, you have mantis as your stealth celestial madonna role, but you need to get a female that does the practical stuff. (flirt with the bad guys, distraction etc...plus for cheesecake factor)

i know. but they killed Deathcry. i'm honestly not sure who to use. i can't take Gamora off of the other team. i guess they could bump into a time-travelling Rita Demara or something. any suggestions?

[Capt USA]

i know. but they killed Deathcry. i'm honestly not sure who to use. i can't take Gamora off of the other team. i guess they could bump into a time-travelling Rita Demara or something. any suggestions?

I missed the recent annihilation series, so no ideas of current marvel female characters.

obviously nova (thanos grand niece or whatever she claims is her origin) could be useful, even adds tension(assuming she is still alive)

Even grabbing another terran who is being underutilized would work. (I also would like a kymelian--or whatever their name from power pack)

Has Lila Cheney popped up since house of M? if not maybe she lost her powers and is looking for a way to get them back.

[Will.S]

If you're going to use a cosmic Avengers team I think it would be better to use actual previous Avengers.

;)

The teams some of you guys are suggesting are more along the lines of an Infinity Watch or Guardians of the Galaxy type of thing. Avengers like Living Lightning, Mantis, Starfox, Jack of Hearts, Moondragon, Pulsar (Monica) are good ones since they've been on cosmic adventures many a time. They all pretty diverse backgrounds with Mantis and the Cotati, Starfox being an Eternal, and a half Contraxian (Jack).

Of course, whether you find this roster interesting depends on the person. Some characters I really like such as Jack and Pulsar, the others......depends on the take on them. Keith Giffen's Mantis for instance is the most fun I've ever had reading the character so it depends on the writer and the roster to sell me on the book even though I'm a huge Avengers fan.

[Capt USA]

If you're going to use a cosmic Avengers team I think it would be better to use actual previous Avengers.

;)

The teams some of you guys are suggesting are more along the lines of an Infinity Watch or Guardians of the Galaxy type of thing. Avengers like Living Lightning, Mantis, Starfox, Jack of Hearts, Moondragon, Pulsar (Monica) are good ones since they've been on cosmic adventures many a time.

Of course, whether you find this roster interesting depends on the person. Some characters I really like such as Jack and Pulsar, the others......depends on the take on them. Keith Giffen's Mantis for instance is the most fun I've ever had reading the character so it depends on the writer and the roster to sell me on the book even though I'm a huge Avengers fan.

the original poster said it didn't have to be avengers, just talking about an avenger like cosmic team book.

[Will.S]

the original poster said it didn't have to be avengers, just talking about an avenger like cosmic team book.
If it's a seperate purely cosmic and non-Avengers title then a mix of the current cosmic players in Annihilation and Conquest forming as a team is the best way to sell more cosmic books alongside a book like Nova.

That way we wouldn't have to keep up the mini series structure both have had in order to introduce new threats since the book would have all the characters in one place and still be really good since guys like Star-Lord, Super Skrull, Quasar, Ronan and Nova are linchpins of the cosmic universe now.

[Shyft]

id just like to see a regular cosmic team book. dont care who's on it or what format it takes, as long as it has at least a couple of A-class cosmic heroes who kick alien ass on a regular basis.

[Capt USA]

id just like to see a regular cosmic team book. dont care who's on it or what format it takes, as long as it has at least a couple of A-class cosmic heroes who kick alien ass on a regular basis.

so you don't want bendis to write it? :)

I would like to see a cosmic team that spends very little time on earth, gets involved in planetary politics and features lots of action.

[Kyle_Ion]

I would give a cosmic avenger book a chance, why I think it would be interesting and the fact that it would add more cosmic characters to the cosmic scene.

[Siddon]

I would say no, I don't like the idea of a "cosmic" team I like the single person narrative type deal of Annhilation.

Also I don't want to see another Avengers title, I would rather see Mighty Avengers take in a few cosmic characters (Ronan, Moondragon, Quasar) for (Wasp, Iron Man, Spoder-woman).

[Monty_Cristo]

If you're going to use a cosmic Avengers team I think it would be better to use actual previous Avengers.

.

mine had 4 of them.

I would say no, I don't like the idea of a "cosmic" team I like the single person narrative type deal of Annhilation.


whatever. Starlord's team book blows all of those lame solo cosmic books out of the water.

[Camron Amaya]

Definetly.

Something like, Nova, Beta Ray Bill and Surfer on the team.

[Deep_Sleeper]

It definitely depends on the creative team. Marvel's concept of cosmic characters can go from insanely cool, to downright stupid depending on who's writing.

Case in point? Silver Surfer can traverse one light year in a matter of milliseconds and survive on the surface of the sun and the black void of space, but gets knocked out by a stick swung by a girl. WTF?

If the right creative team were to take a shot and really get to the essence of what these characters were about and what they were truly capable of, it'd be something.

But then, you'd need someone of Grant Morrison's mad genius to come up with that.

[DaeJi]

It definitely depends on the creative team. Marvel's concept of cosmic characters can go from insanely cool, to downright stupid depending on who's writing.

Case in point? Silver Surfer can traverse one light year in a matter of milliseconds and survive on the surface of the sun and the black void of space, but gets knocked out by a stick swung by a girl. WTF?

If the right creative team were to take a shot and really get to the essence of what these characters were about and what they were truly capable of, it'd be something.

But then, you'd need someone of Grant Morrison's mad genius to come up with that.

I would actually keep someone like Morrison away from a cosmic team book; he might get too crazy. Keith Giffen is would be my ideal writer, him or DnA. Or PAD!! Guys who I think can do a grounded cosmic team better, not get too wild. I would like to see Morrison tackle a cosmic mini though, maybe a sequel to Marvel Boy.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I think cosmic comics should be crazy...in terms of the absurdity when it comes to events. I don't want just the morality of man's law to be in the balance when it comes to these comics. I want something that's so huge, that if it comes to pass, 3 billion people being vanquished on Earth is considered and acceptable loss.

I think Morrison can bring that into play. I don't like plot induced stupidity in my cosmic stories where a character can do something but doesn't carry it out because it'd solve the problem without any drama.

Also, most of the writers at Marvel right now wouldn't be able to carry out an acceptable cosmic book, let alone an acceptable cosmic Avengers book. I'm getting New Avengers mainly because of Bendis. I like his stuff, even though the New Avengers line up is atrocious.

[DaeJi]

I think cosmic comics should be crazy...in terms of the absurdity when it comes to events.

I like that stuff too. But then again, I also like stuff like Annihilation. I think there should be both. Have the Annihilation gang off doing their thing, then have a crazy, absurd Kirby-like book going on as well.

[a-spidey]

depends on the creative team and team rooster, cuz i really not a big fan of space adventures in general.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I mean one that featured all the heavy hitters and trailblazers of Marvel cosmic, and they cover the solar sytem and atmosphere of Earth but are recognized as Avengers. I mean they've had Dark Avengers, Mighty, New, West Coast, Great Lakes + etc., why not?

Guardians has done okay, but I'm not really into it personally, they kinda lost around 10.

I mean a lineup consisting of Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, Nova, Drax the Destroyer, Rom, Quasar, Firelord, Moondragon, Warlock, everybody.

Do you find this too obvious or do you think it would be cool to see all the big guns so speak together? I mean I guess I could see where someone could think of it as overkill, but on the other hand, with the right creative team, it would be cool to see them all together if it was done right anyway.

Do you think this could be the Marvel cosmic team book that could garner a 5-10 year committment, could be successful over a period of years rather than a flash in the pan, all of those characters (and feel free to suggest whomever I left out) have fanbases...even if it were in the all ages universe.

Thoughts?

[Cthulhudrew]

What, specifically, do you think making a "Cosmic Avengers" title would add to the landscape that you're not getting from GotG or Nova currently? Are there particular storylines you're looking for, or some kind of theme that you envision as going along with the Avengers name that you're seeking?

[Stantheman23]

Defenders in space!

[CaptainOtter]

The Avengers are basically a team of superheroes. The team can have any criteria it wants really, and there is nothing that makes it different from other teams other than its membership. Except for changing around a few members, how would a cosmic Avengers book be any different than Guardians of the Galaxy. If GotG is not doing well, this would be due to the writing. Making the team the "avengers" all of the sudden isnt going to change the quality of the writing.

[Nightstar1441]

Always been big on this idea and would support it

Could have sworn I read somewhere this was something Fabian Nicezia wanted to do as well

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

What, specifically, do you think making a "Cosmic Avengers" title would add to the landscape that you're not getting from GotG or Nova currently? Are there particular storylines you're looking for, or some kind of theme that you envision as going along with the Avengers name that you're seeking?

Well, I kinda see GOTG as it's own seperate thing to be honest with you, and it's just not doing it for me, but that's just my opinion if you like it, cool, I was a little upset to say the least when the 11-12 cover and solits were what I felt was dishonest, but again that's how I see it, but even beyond that I felt some of the writing and grasp of the characters dropped off, it was stronger in the beginning, but again that's just me. It's just not my thing, and I like Marvel Cosmic. Part of the GOTG appeal being the obscurity of the lineup, I get it. I'm not saying GOTG vs. this idea or anything, matter of fact I'm not really even talking about them.

This is something different, it's not necessarily an Avengers recognition thing, although I believe that could be interesting and help in sales.

What I'm looking for is more of a "Cosmic Legends" lineup, (and obviously a cool way to bring back Mar-Vell as the leader doesn't hurt either), the be all end all cosmic team, hope that explains it. I don't see that this concept hurts GOTG. That's not my intent. I mean like all the big guns of cosmic Marveldom that could have a long running ongoing as we know cosmic has always been cyclical.

I was pondering the idea of the ultimate cosmic team, all the characters who put it on the map so to speak, hope this helps.

Cheers

[Beast]

We already have Guardians of the Galaxy. That's as much cosmic as I'm willing to read.

Jack Flag: "I hate cosmic ****."

[dreyga2000]

I don't know about an monthly but I'd love to see an Arc where either the New or Mighty Avengers (not both) face a cosmic threat classic Avengers Style... Maybe even an Annihilation Crossover.... Perhaps a mini or maxiseries done by the right people...

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

All this cosmic stuff, how come Mar-Vell can't be used some way? I mean he could be being of energy almost like a cosmic version of the crow meets the spectre...I dunno man, it just doesn't seem fair I mean he was one of the main reasons there is a Marvel cosmic, the guy was the original protector of the universe, they bring back everybody else, why not him? Bucky, Goblin, need I go on? He was passed up for Star Lord and even Warlock, which is cool, I don't have anything against those guys, I'm just saying, when's it going to be his turn? He could help. Listen I'm not out to attack those guys or anything, I'm just venting and illustrating a valid point, that's all.

Anyways, good writing is good writing, and I agree with you that slapping an Avengers name and/or a Captain Marvel name on it does not a good book make.

However, this kind of team I'm suggesting is different than GOTG, this would be like the Legends, the all stars of cosmic Marveldom, I think it could work if done right, no one's attacking gotg, it's just not my thing that's all, I'm glad if you enjoy it, I'm just not as impressed . To each his own. It just seems like they don't get some of the characters sometimes, the iconic ones, whereas they're excellent at some of the newer ones, hard to explain, I don't want to debate gotg, I'm just not that into it, especially with misleading solits, that might not even be their fault, but let's move on. I know that history says cosmic books are generally cyclical, and by having the big guns in a book that trend might be broken. Who knows? gotg might do that, more power to 'em if it does.

This idea however, is different.

It's like the Legends lineup.

Captain Mar-Vell
Silver Surfer
Drax the Destroyer
Nova
Warlock
Moondragon
Beta Rey Bill
Adam Warlock
Firelord
Quasar

I dunno, whomever, maybe a reformed K'lrrt, Black Bolt, Terrax, who the hell knows?...I'm just throwing names out there, but it's the concept I'm discussing. It's a completely different team dynamic. Almost like Justic League or Avengers in space, for lack of a better description. Perhaps a team is formed in the wake of the invasion to ensure something like that would never happen again. Am I making any sense here?

[Expletive Deleted]

It'd depend on who'd be writing it, who'd be drawing it, and what the high concept would be (beyond "transparent excuse to bring back Mar-Vell").

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

It'd depend on who'd be writing it, who'd be drawing it, and what the high concept would be (beyond "transparent excuse to bring back Mar-Vell").

True, true. Although it'd be a crime not to include him in such a team... and with this type of team it does actually make sense, let me explain. Going beyond the brinng back Mar-Vell movement, and believe me there's nothing transparent about it, it's completely relevant, it's a team of all of the best of the best cosmic Marvel legends here...that could be a fun read, if, of course, like any comic, was written well.

With a roster like that, you're pretty much running the gamut of cosmic heros with loyal fanbases, and to see all those characters together in an ongoing that makes sense and I think it would be a consistent seller...and I don't think it counteracts guardians of the galaxy.

It's an antirely different dichotomy between the members. GOTG is interesting to some readers because of the raw obscurity and almost humorous Gerber-esque approach. This is different, like I said before it's all the legends who made a "Marvel Cosmic" what it is today, it's like the Avengers but in outer space, the big guns, what writer couldn't do something with that?

I mean all of those characters are noteworthy in the annals of Marvel cosmic and to see them all together would be a fun thing. I mean really, imagine as a Marvel cosmic fan you get to see Mar-Vell, Norrin Radd, Rich Ryder, Drax, Warlock, Wendell Vaughn, Moondragon, Beta Rey Bill, Black Bolt, all of those guys in the same book, I think it'd work.

Nobody does cosmic like Marvel, even DC knows that. (No offense GL fans) This could be a successful and more importantly consistent seller with all those characters spotlighted in various issues and stories. Just my opinion.

[Pedrocas]

Guardians of the Galaxy = Cosmic Avengers.

[Chino]

As lame as it would be, they could just rename GotG "Cosmic Avengers" and sales would triple.

Maybe they should have done that with MI13..."Avengers: Europe"

[Joe Franklin]

Guardians of the Galaxy = Cosmic Avengers.

Quoted for the truth.

[ReboundTerminator]

they introduced a cosmic avengers team in the early 90s but that was a what if issue.

also the early 2000s, shortly before the kang war during the third series of the avengers, the avengers broke off into several teams and one included a cosmic team. i dont recall it that well but i think quasar and living lightning were members

[Will.S]

Guardians of the Galaxy = Cosmic Avengers.
Pretty much.

[Expletive Deleted]

also the early 2000s, shortly before the kang war during the third series of the avengers, the avengers broke off into several teams and one included a cosmic team. i dont recall it that well but i think quasar and living lightning were membersQuasar and Living Lightning were the staff of the Avengers' deep space monitoring station, but they weren't really a team.

Quasar was a member of Avengers Infinity, though, with Thor, Starfox, Jack of Hearts, Moondragon, Captain Marvel II, and Tigra.

[mattbib]

I don't know. A cosmic team would kind of stretch the definition of "Avengers" a little too much for my tastes. "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" pretty much defines the job responsibility (if not the power set).

I wasn't a fan of the Avengers Infinity idea beyond the need for an ad hoc team for that mission. It's not something I'd want permanently. The cosmos has enough heroes without the Avengers needing to stick their noses in.

[Ratwedge]

Guardians of the Galaxy. Having Cosmic Avengers would be redundant since we have them.

Why would you even need Avengers in space anyway? There is no roles they can fill that arent already taken or easily done by someone else.

[vcassel]

the infinity watch = cosmic avengers. and i'm one of the few geeky enough to have loved that comic.

[GalactaSurfer]

Guardians of the Galaxy = Cosmic Avengers.

Im going to agree as well.

They pretty much are the universes mightiest HEROES! They even have their own Captain America.

[SquidSquod]

Guardians OTG are the cosmic Avengers, unless you have a cosmic universe fleshed out like Star Trek and/or Star Wars universe. Until then cosmic universe feels too secondary in Marvel.

[daveageallen]

i would for sure if they were new and interesting people. beta ray bill would be awesome. captain marvel, Silver surfer. so good. as long as it doesnt go nuts like most cosmic comics do, into insane plots that you need to know the history of some random species from a comic 50 years go or who stole whos world....blah. that always turned me off cosmic. its almost worst than time travel

[stingerman]

I would dig that!

Yeah, I would think calling it Avengers would need to have it be tied to earth somehow.

[TheAmazingSpidey]

I don't know about an monthly but I'd love to see an Arc where either the New or Mighty Avengers (not both) face a cosmic threat classic Avengers Style... Maybe even an Annihilation Crossover.... Perhaps a mini or maxiseries done by the right people...

It'd definitely have to be the Mighty Avengers. Cosmic is more their style--cosmic doesn't suit the New Avengers.

[Babylon23]

Guardians of the Galaxy really does fulfill the role of Cosmic Avengers. They're a team of cosmic heroes who have banded together to protect the universe from any threat that emerges. That's pretty much all I want from a cosmic Avengers team. Plus Drax, Warlock and Moondragon are already there, and they often run into Nova as well, so about half the team you're suggesting are already members. If Marvel were interested in boosting sales I'd suggest just renaming the existing book.

Wouldn't mind seeing the Silver Surfer in GotG though. He's my favourite cosmic character.

[Mr. Immortal]

It'd depend on who'd be writing it, who'd be drawing it, and what the high concept would be (beyond "transparent excuse to bring back Mar-Vell").

This one made me laugh pretty hard.

[Dr.J.]

Well, I kinda see GOTG as it's own seperate thing to be honest with you, and it's just not doing it for me, but that's just my opinion if you like it, cool, I was a little upset to say the least when the 11-12 cover and solits were what I felt was dishonest, but again that's how I see it, but even beyond that I felt some of the writing and grasp of the characters dropped off, it was stronger in the beginning, but again that's just me. It's just not my thing, and I like Marvel Cosmic. Part of the GOTG appeal being the obscurity of the lineup, I get it. I'm not saying GOTG vs. this idea or anything, matter of fact I'm not really even talking about them.

This is something different, it's not necessarily an Avengers recognition thing, although I believe that could be interesting and help in sales.

What I'm looking for is more of a "Cosmic Legends" lineup, (and obviously a cool way to bring back Mar-Vell as the leader doesn't hurt either), the be all end all cosmic team, hope that explains it. I don't see that this concept hurts GOTG. That's not my intent. I mean like all the big guns of cosmic Marveldom that could have a long running ongoing as we know cosmic has always been cyclical.

I was pondering the idea of the ultimate cosmic team, all the characters who put it on the map so to speak, hope this helps.

Cheers

They succeded in hacking off a lot of readers with their terrible bogus revival of mar-vell, then killing off the new mar-vell.They jerked a lot of fans around. not the first time, and not the last.By the time they do bring marv back, comics will be so expensive, and so many years will have passed by, that sadly most wont care, no matter how great the writer or artists are.Starlen killed him, and Starlen could pull it off. Hell, He brought back thanos and warlock.Even with him, it would outrage a certain segment of fandom.Lets face it,as good as the revival of bucky has been, death is just a joke when it comes to superhero comics, cause in the end, they ALL come back.

[Cthulhudrew]

What I'm looking for is more of a "Cosmic Legends" lineup, (and obviously a cool way to bring back Mar-Vell as the leader doesn't hurt either), the be all end all cosmic team, hope that explains it.

That clarifies things somewhat. I'm not certain that it necessarily means "Avengers" per se, but I can see where you're looking for something a little different from GotG in terms of a title with all the cosmic "big names" in one grouping.

Like ED points out, though, I think you'd need a bit more high concept to it than just that. For one thing, given all the various interests of the big cosmic guys, you'd really need something solid to tie them together as a group. The cosmos is a vast place, and they all tend to have interests that might take them all over the map; it's kind of a stretch on the MU Earth to have all the heroes in New York City- it's even more of a stretch (IMO) to have all these big guns only going from one hot spot to another in the Milky Way or beyond. You'd either always have to have some enormous universe spanning threat popping up each week ("Galactus Again? Geez...") or else you'd have to have them tackling smaller threats that really wouldn't be all that challenging for people of their level. Neither seems that satisfying to me.

That said, if you really wanted a Cosmic Avengers book- I could absolutely see something that amounted to a team of Avengers and Avengers related characters tackling events beyond the atmosphere of Earth, in the Milky Way Galaxy. Something not dissimilar to that threat of Avengers expansionism that led Immortus to lead his crusade against the Avengers in Avengers Forever. Had Kurt's Pro-Active Avengers arc of his latter run on the title gone further and not been (sadly) dropped by subsequent writers, I could have seen a cosmic Avengers team having been assembled at some point.

[ColdFury]

I dunno. Mar-Vell has always struck me as a guy in the same vein as Barry Allen.

Passable, all right hero, who never really made it to the A-list. But his death story was so well done it improved his standing with fans retroactively.

There would be nothing gained by his return, only lost. (I think the time travel return could've had some teeth, but Marvel clearly had no idea what they were doing with him there.)

[Ratwedge]

The problem with the cosmic universe at the moment is that is so damn good. Everything is in play now and telling their stories that force in an Avengers team is lulz worthy.

You just cant stick an Avenger team into space to face some threat that isnt dwarfed by a Nova or a GOTG enemy. GOTG Is already trying to keep the universe together and frankly, it hardly gets any bigger than that. Throw in all the Cosmic events and anything the "Cosmic Avengers" frankly would have to be pretty epic that somehow by editor fiat doesnt get noticed by either Nova or GOTG.

[Shinglepants]

I am a big fan of What Marvel is doing with the Cosmic titles at the moment. I would like to see them capitalise on the momentum and introduce another Cosmic title but Im not sure if a Cosmic Avengers is the way to go.

I would like to see them give Silver Surfer a shot, I havent really read much SS but he is a Cosmic big hitter so I think that would make sense.

[Hypestyle]

Make Monica Marvel a key part of the team, and go for it..

[LungerTony]

Cosmic Avengers doesn't make sense because there already is the GotG.

This highlighted by the fact that posters are recruiting for this avengers team from members of GotG...

[strathcona]

That said, if you really wanted a Cosmic Avengers book- I could absolutely see something that amounted to a team of Avengers and Avengers related characters tackling events beyond the atmosphere of Earth, in the Milky Way Galaxy. Something not dissimilar to that threat of Avengers expansionism that led Immortus to lead his crusade against the Avengers in Avengers Forever. Had Kurt's Pro-Active Avengers arc of his latter run on the title gone further and not been (sadly) dropped by subsequent writers, I could have seen a cosmic Avengers team having been assembled at some point.

Hmmm... that makes me think of a comment I made in another thread. I was saying I can't wait for a decent writer to come in and explain away the bad characterization that has been rampant at Marvel for the last 5 or more years. My suggestion was a cosmic baddie was trying to mess with the heroes... why couldn't that baddie be Immortus? Basically he worked to stop the Avengers expansion across the Universe in Avengers Forever, yet only a few years (months MU time) the team was expanding again, becoming more global (maybe even Galactic) in scope... so what does he do? Hit them with this ray that messes them up, makes them act out of character, in-fight with each other, and concentrate on themselves as opposed to what is actually going on in the world/universe. The timeline would even make sense... the worst of the mischaracterization started around Austen's run on Avengers, right when Busiek and Johns had built the team up the most.

[Beast]

It'd depend on who'd be writing it, who'd be drawing it, and what the high concept would be (beyond "transparent excuse to bring back Mar-Vell").
Especially since it's never going to happen.

[GalactaSurfer]

Mad Silver Surfer love in this thread!!!

Ya already know I want Silver Sufer ongoing we can call it Silver Surfer: Avenger of the spaceways!

[Comet Man]

Make Monica Marvel a key part of the team, and go for it..

You mean Photonica?

[steveg887]

I would like to see them give Silver Surfer a shot, I havent really read much SS but he is a Cosmic big hitter so I think that would make sense.

I agree. Silver Surfer should be a big player in the Marvel Universe, and I think now would be the perfect time to try and give him his own monthly again.

[ColdFury]

Let's say that there was an editorial mandate to create a Cosmic Avengers, but a pitch needed to be created that wouldn't stomp on the Guardians of the Galaxy.

So what can you do to avoid stepping on Nova & GotG's toes, maintain the 'Avenger-ness' of the title, and get the team cosmic adventures?

First off, and this may be an insurmountable challenge, you need to assemble a cast of Avengers that will A.) Sell. B.) Are not already claimed by any authors/editors. C.) Can be worked into the plot.

I think the first thing that comes to most of our minds is Quasar. But Quasar brings with him two problems. As Kurt Busiek complained, Gru wrote Quasar as too damned smart. It's hard to come up with an adversary that can challenge a team that members can all be effective in fighting, and challenge Quasar. It's like when Quasar fought Venom, and if you blinked it was over in two pages.

Second problem is Quasar has unlimited transportation capabilities. Hell, he recently transported himself to Oblivion and back with little effort. Why is this a problem? Because of our other constraints:

'Cosmic Avengers' can't be based on Earth, that would defeat the purpose. And if they have easy access to home / unlimited transportation, they get dangerously close to Guardian of the Galaxy territory.

I think the best pitch would have a random assortment of heroes/avengers challenge a menace on Earth, have them get transported to a distant/unknown part of the Galaxy/Universe, and they have to find their way back. This strange area of space interferes with Quasar's powers so that he has trouble getting power out of the Quantum Zone, much less access to popping in and out of it.

This resolves portions of the Quasar dilemma. Also, on their adventures in this new Galaxy they can make new villains, establish new races, fight new foes or long forgotten old cosmic foes with unclear backgrounds. Etc etc etc.

But then another problem rears its head. Who on the Avengers who is not already in play would be a marketable name/have a compelling story to tell? I think we could probably safely grab Wonder Man. He's suitably cosmic / unused. After that... it becomes a stretch.

[Shinglepants]

I agree. Silver Surfer should be a big player in the Marvel Universe, and I think now would be the perfect time to try and give him his own monthly again.

Exactly, I for one would buy it. If one was being cynical you might say he has had his chance and failed to do the business. However with the recent success of the Cosmic titles I think now would bew the perfect time to try again. I think, from my own experience, people are more open to cosmic titles right now.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

It's rather simple, really, and the way I'm going to break it down will reflect that, believe me I am far more capable than I lead on, I'm just setting up a template, a possible scenario and leaving you with your own imagination as most of you have good ones.

I'm suggesting that we look at the big picture here. You know how "Cosmic" titles relate to the entirety of readers.

The idea is to combine the appeal of the strongest and most revered cosmic heros throughout the years of Marvel cosmic, in doing so appealing to those who might be on the fence about reading Marvel cosmic titles because it's just too whacked out so to speak to jump on and read.

You know, having a "crossover appeal" to other titles. So in other words, this would be more of a gateway book that features heros like Captain Marvel who have that crossover appeal, while also featuring those beloved legends of Marvel Cosmic such as the ones I've mentioned.

1. You need a threat big enough that it would make sense to unite them, matter of fact they really have no choice. I'm thinking The Void and a Kree-Skrull ALLIANCE. (Yeesh, imagine that.) A threat so big, a defense system in the atmosphere would strategically make sense.

2. You need a hero that they all respect to unite them. One with Avengers clearance, even if posthumously, revered enough that they put aside their differences to act as a unit. "The most cosmic superhero of them all" makes sense here, am I bias? Hell yeah, but it does make sense here. You get Marv, and Surfer, and Drax, and Nova, and Wendell and Moondragon & Phyla (Sheesh, imagine the subplot there, she thinks her Dad abandoned her, but really he never did, he was trapped in limbo, a land of the dead as illustrated in Silver Surfer #63, just throwing out seeds)

3. You need this hero's appearance to be controversial in some way to add to the publicity that simply adding the name 'Avengers' name would generate. This garners interest not only interest from the Marvel cosmic fans, but from readers who might not usually be into the 'cosmic' thing because it's just too far out there.

4. It has to make sense. You need a "Space station". A base of operations where the dialogue and so forth take place. Simple stuff.
A base they assemble on to defend whatever threat it is before it gets to Earth.
This is a place where gotg can show up but they are still their own entity. Similiar to the Avengers-Defenders contrast of the 70's, but it's in outer space, which is what we're selling here.

5. You capitalize on all the pockets of fans of the 'heavy hitters', the real cosmic legends of Marvel.

6. You don't view it as a threat to the whole "only one cosmic solo and one cosmic monthly" theory, this comic eliminates all of that. Therefore you're no longer squabbling over who's better your character or the other person's, you're making it attractive to all, thus establishing a cosmic ongoing that isn't going to be cancelled when it hits a lull as cosmic titles do.
I'm talking about a title that will actually be here in ten years. You can use it to launch cosmic solo titles, and/or reboot some, or when they hit lulls, they can come back to get rediscovered in a sense.

This would sell comic books and if the right person were given the chance to write it, it would last as a consistent seller over a long period of time. Staying power.

Now whether you want argue the Avengers name to be involved is up to you, but it makes common sense. It links the more broad audience with the hardcore cosmic audience, the project has legs.

It works because it sets a strong cosmic standard monthly that anyone can get into, because we're combining the fanbases of the Marvel Cosmic Legends, and that works.

Why this suggestion seems to be a knock on gotg to some people I have no idea, that's not my intention at all, I'm just not that into it personally, and it's not just that the company lied to us on a Captain Marvel solit which is really cheap and obvious, beyond that I just think it's kinda gone downhill past the first ten issues or so, it was on fire for a while, but it's just not for me, but I'm not like saying it should be gone or anything, that's just my opinion. I'm not out to bash it or anything, matter of fact I like the obscure nature of it, but I just think it could be better. If it works for you, cool though, this suggestion isn't a knock on them.

You see, cosmic books, thus far, anyways, have always been cyclical in their appeal.

They're hot and cold, don't care who it is. It's a fact. That's why I think it's funny when people cheap shot Mar-Vell and Silver Surfer's titles, because they were trailblazing this stuff.

Now regardless of who you like, if you're a Captain Marvel fan, a Drax fan, a Nova fan, a Quasar fan, a Moondragon fan, a Super Skrull fan, a Ronan Fan, whomever, it's all good. A book like this combines all the followings and does a good thing for cosmic in general if that makes any sense.

In other words, this kind of comic will be here in ten years and you can launch things off it, and introduce new people to cosmic titles, heck you can even have an epic or to while you're at it.

The trick is in getting writers that won't just brush over the subtle nuances that make the characters have their fanbases to begin with. Like you can't just put somebody in a Nova suit and pretend nobody's gonna know it's not Rich Ryder, just because he has a different haircut or something you know? Little stuff like that, I know it sound nitpicky, but it's really not, it's these kinds of things that made the characters work in the 1st place. That works for a while but it ultimately kills the project.

[Ratwedge]

I'm suggesting that we look at the big picture here. You know how "Cosmic" titles relate to the entirety of readers.

GOTG currently cover the big picture. You know, saving the universe, fighting wars and other such. If people cant relate to the GOTG then something is seriously wrong, espically when you have people like Drax, Gamora and Adam Warlock on the team.

The idea is to combine the appeal of the strongest and most revered cosmic heros throughout the years of Marvel cosmic, in doing so appealing to those who might be on the fence about reading Marvel cosmic titles because it's just too whacked out so to speak to jump on and read.

How is it to wacked to jump on and read? To get these "Old" guys new readers would have to read an extensive array of back copies. Or you could just give them Annihilation and Conquest and go "Here you go, these are the main players" and they get one great story and one okay story. Pretty simple damn simple for new readers.

You know, having a "crossover appeal" to other titles. So in other words, this would be more of a gateway book that features heros like Captain Marvel who have that crossover appeal, while also featuring those beloved legends of Marvel Cosmic such as the ones I've mentioned.

Are you serious?

1. You need a threat big enough that it would make sense to unite them, matter of fact they really have no choice. I'm thinking The Void and a Kree-Skrull ALLIANCE. (Yeesh, imagine that.) A threat so big, a defense system in the atmosphere would strategically make sense.

Already been DONE.

Annihilation Wave. Annihilation Wave. Annihilation Wave. Seriously do you bother to read the current cosmic titles?

2. You need a hero that they all respect to unite them. One with Avengers clearance, even if posthumously, revered enough that they put aside their differences to act as a unit. "The most cosmic superhero of them all" makes sense here, am I bias? Hell yeah, but it does make sense here. You get Marv, and Surfer, and Drax, and Nova, and Wendell and Moondragon & Phyla (Sheesh, imagine the subplot there, she thinks her Dad abandoned her, but really he never did, he was trapped in limbo, a land of the dead as illustrated in Silver Surfer #63, just throwing out seeds)

Hrrrmmm.

You know this is EXACTLY what Nova did right? He had EVERYONE under his command, from Heralds of Galactus to the Kree and Skrull footsoldiers. Why do we need someone else to play this role when someone can already do it.

3. You need this hero's appearance to be controversial in some way to add to the publicity that simply adding the name 'Avengers' name would generate. This garners interest not only interest from the Marvel cosmic fans, but from readers who might not usually be into the 'cosmic' thing because it's just too far out there.

Wow. You are really pushing your agenda pretty hard.

4. It has to make sense. You need a "Space station". A base of operations where the dialogue and so forth take place. Simple stuff.
A base they assemble on to defend whatever threat it is before it gets to Earth.
This is a place where gotg can show up but they are still their own entity. Similiar to the Avengers-Defenders contrast of the 70's, but it's in outer space, which is what we're selling here.

Oh god seriously please stop. Everything you are suggesting is redundant in the current climate. How the hell can an Avenger team compete with a place like Knowhere that can teleport you any place or time. GOTG would be cleaning up as the Avengers slow boat it to their Space Station.

Also its not Avengers-Defender contrast. This is Avengers (Who are GOTG) and the Team Earth Hill-Billies.


5. You capitalize on all the pockets of fans of the 'heavy hitters', the real cosmic legends of Marvel.

In the last few years the "Heavy Hitters" have been pretty proflic and treated with far more respect. Have a team up christ if your entire premisie for a team is "OMG WE HAVE ALL THE HERALDS" then I dont really expect much. Part of the alure of GOTG is the fact you have people like Adam Warlock next to Rocket Raccoon, who are teleporting to dyson spheres and giant church spaceships. Sounds like the stuff Avengers should do, not play second fiddle as the hicks of Cosmic Universe.

6. You don't view it as a threat to the whole "only one cosmic solo and one cosmic monthly" theory, this comic eliminates all of that. Therefore you're no longer squabbling over who's better your character or the other person's, you're making it attractive to all, thus establishing a cosmic ongoing that isn't going to be cancelled when it hits a lull as cosmic titles do.
I'm talking about a title that will actually be here in ten years. You can use it to launch cosmic solo titles, and/or reboot some, or when they hit lulls, they can come back to get rediscovered in a sense.

/facepalm

This would sell comic books and if the right person were given the chance to write it, it would last as a consistent seller over a long period of time. Staying power.

That pretty much works for ANY book. Cosmic is actually doing better than it ever has. The Characters are more cosistant, storylines are more engaging and new, fresh faces show up to make things more awesome alongside the old ones.

Now whether you want argue the Avengers name to be involved is up to you, but it makes common sense. It links the more broad audience with the hardcore cosmic audience, the project has legs.

It does not make common sense to throw an Earth team into the Cosmic scene with a mandate that is already filled but some of the deadliest people in the galaxy. Seriously, veterans of Annihilation Wave and the Liberators of Hala, or the Hicks from Terra?

It works because it sets a strong cosmic standard monthly that anyone can get into, because we're combining the fanbases of the Marvel Cosmic Legends, and that works.

Unless you cant read english you have no excuse for not enjoying GOTG or Nova. GOTG in particular is the favourite my friends steal from my collection.

Why this suggestion seems to be a knock on gotg to some people I have no idea, that's not my intention at all, I'm just not that into it personally, they lied to me on a solit and I think it's kinda gone downhill past the first ten issues or so, it was on fire for a while, but it's just not for me, but I'm not like saying it should be gone or anything, that's just my opinion.

Its gone downhill? Seriously? How. Also covers and solicits are generally misleading, if you took personal affront to being trick, step back take a deep breath and stop reading comics.

You see, cosmic books, thus far, anyways, have always been cyclical in their appeal. They're hot and cold. That's why I think it's funny when people cheap shot Mar-Vell and Silver Surfer's titles, because they were trailblazing this stuff.

So its alright to cheap shot Nova and GOTG but not Mar-Vell? Hell, Surfer is awesome now. He has regained the luster he lacked leading up to Annihilation and now he is a cosmic badass.

Now regardless of who you like, if you're a Captain Marvel fan, a Drax fan, a Nova fan, a Quasar fan, a Moondragon fan, a Super Skrull fan, a Ronan Fan, whomever, it's all good. A book like this combines all the followings and does a good thing for cosmic in general if that makes any sense.

How does it benefit half those people you named? More screen time? Everyone you named but Mar-Vell gets PLENTY of screen time. Hell, Ronan has been a centrel figure in the last three cosmic scenes. Super Skrull kicks more ass now than ever before and everyone else gets plenty of time.

In other words, this kind of comic will be here in ten years.

Embrace change.


tl;dr: hahaha

[LordAllMighty]

I think the best pitch would have a random assortment of heroes/avengers challenge a menace on Earth, have them get transported to a distant/unknown part of the Galaxy/Universe, and they have to find their way back. This strange area of space interferes with Quasar's powers so that he has trouble getting power out of the Quantum Zone, much less access to popping in and out of it.

This resolves portions of the Quasar dilemma. Also, on their adventures in this new Galaxy they can make new villains, establish new races, fight new foes or long forgotten old cosmic foes with unclear backgrounds. Etc etc etc.

But then another problem rears its head. Who on the Avengers who is not already in play would be a marketable name/have a compelling story to tell? I think we could probably safely grab Wonder Man. He's suitably cosmic / unused. After that... it becomes a stretch.

See I can go with that....something like "Legion Lost" but with the Avengers.

Simple Line up

Quasar
Wonder Man
Pulsar (Monica)
Black Knight
Sersi
Spider-Woman (Julia and daughter)
Starfox
Justice
Captain Marvel

add two more memebers for the big cast feel and go with it.

Will it sell? Not sure, but with the right writer and artist combo, who knows. Hell I would at least read the first issue.:biggrin:

[Doc Goblin]

I've never been a fan of the "Cosmic Avengers" idea. Every reasoning I've ever really seen to get a bunch of Earth heroes organized and patrolling the solar system has come off as really forced and artificial to me.

Guardians of the Galaxy nails the idea of a cosmic team just about as good as it's going to get. I don't think it's perfect and all, but it is basically a cosmic team done right. You have some of the big cosmic names of Marvel: Adam Warlock, Drax the Destroyer, Moondragon and Gamora. You have some obscure names to revive: Star-Lord, Rocket Raccoon and Mantis. Then you have a new up-and-comer: Phyla-Vell. That kind of mix is necessary. Piling on a whole bunch of big name cosmics is one of the things that makes teams feel forced.

Really, I think a Cosmic Avengers team would detract from the already great cosmic setup Marvel has crafted in the past few years. It would marginalize Nova and the Guardians of the Galaxy without getting much of a return on it.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

Only if it had ROM

http://www.4thletter.net/articles/rom/rom1.jpg

[Cthulhudrew]

Cosmic Avengers as a concept seems workable to me, but as noted, I just don't see it as all that believable a title if you try to cram all the big cosmic guns in there. If it's an Avengers title, to me that says it's primarily about Avengers interests- ie, the people of the Earth. Which is perfectly viable in its own right.

Just off the top of my head, here's how I'd do a Cosmic Avengers: The Avengers form a team to protect the Milky Way from all the extraterrestrial threats to the Earth (and let's face it, they're numerous). They set up a base of operations away from Earth- heck, they've already got a space station (even if they don't seem to use it all that much).

Suggested members:
Quasar (team leader)
Beta Ray Bill (Earth's effectively his home now, and it would give him something to do, plus his extraterrestrial experience would be useful)
Living Lightning (Don't much care for the guy myself, but as his powers are functional in space, he'd probably be a good choice)
Jack of Hearts (He'd be found in space in the first arc, following on Johns' last issue with the character and presuming the zombie Jack of Disassembled was a Scarlet Witch construct)
Ideally, I'd like to see Moondragon or Crystal with this team, though that kind of depends on what goes on with them in War of Kings.
Stellaris might be another option, as she's pretty cosmic, has a lot of story potential to her (even if I never much took to her in Thunderstrike)
I'd also add the Star-Thief (Ditmil Pirvat) to the team, as I liked the character and think he'd fit in well.

The Cosmic Avengers could work with and at times butt heads with S.W.O.R.D., whose mission is similar to theirs. And of course, they'd patrol and deal with any threats to the planet before they got there, leaving the more mundane threats to the Earth-based team(s).

In the meanwhile, the Guardians of the Galaxy would do what they always do, which is deal with threats that target myriad galaxies, and not just the Milky Way. Theirs would be a broader dictate.

[Captain Commander]

Revive the Star Masters (Quasar, Beta-Ray, Silver Surfer and possibly Captain Morphex and Xenith). Throw in a few from Avengers Infinity (Monica, Tigra and Starfox) and I'd probably read it.

[striderhirryu2]

Its gone downhill? Seriously? How. Also covers and solicits are generally misleading, if you took personal affront to being trick, step back take a deep breath and stop reading comics.

This just in.

Covers
http://ep.yimg.com/ip/I/yhst-23599503122488_2058_361855851
and
http://www.comicbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/mtyavng9.jpg
solicits
http://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/newavengers_50_tancover.jpg
lie
http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/amazing-spider-man/543-7.jpg

[Finganforn]

I kinda think the idea of getting heavy hitters on a Team, specially cause it is one of those books that deals with the limits, it is good as a touchstone for the whole rest of any similar type of ficitonal universe. I like Thor and Herc's examples, since I know them well and they are gods, they're at pretty much top of the top. They are known as been pretty much badass, with thousands of year of experience in combat and war, and how many times have you seen them act and fight like retarded jerks? I take them as examples, but it affects most of those kind of characters, with a regular book were writers (and bashing public that will one way or the other affect future publications) showing how those powers should work you have less chance of having to stand those things.

So, for an hypothetical book, if I was the writer of the v1 and was to make it to be called Avengers (though I think I would call them something like Universal Avengers) this is how I would make/like to see done in a nutshell:

I would start having Thor involved. He is one of the "big three" and I think it is obvious there is going to be a connection there with the name. I am a bit unsure of the names to throw here, but I guess I would take at least as guaranteed for the first group Gamora, Moondragon, Surfer, Nova and MAYBE Thor would stick for after the first arc, or just come in once in a while. The idea is a bit cliche in some parts, one of those characters, probably Silver, would be in a planet, populated and some cosmic menace appear. Okay, he fights it, gets spanked, and notice the thing is growing and if it succeed in devouring that planet, he would grow even more and so on, not a cool thing and he has seen how things like that ends badly. He searches for individuals with power and will to fight that menace, save the planet and avoid a cosmic threat to spread. He gathers them, they come there, they see what is happening, they get spanked caused they're unorganized. They flee, get anger cause people are dying out there and they could not stop, they regroup, they make a good plan, and they go back to battle to avenge those who were killed by whatever menace is that (with a big battle cry, surely NOT from Thor, "We have returned and we are here to AVENGE those who you killed!" Battle is over, they consider they should form a more active patrol for those kind of cosmic threats, Thor compliments how they fought, someone will eventually say "so did you, Avenger", which would end with a "You united against an enemy none of us could prevail alone, you avenged the innocent and defenseless, you fought for the same ideals that have defined the Avengers since we learned to work together, for me you are as much Avengers as I." Then one of them will propose to honor that legacy, probably an ex-avenger, something like "those are noble goals and we will stand up for the honor of been called an Avenger, we will defend those goals not only on a planet, but on the whole universe. We will be know as the Cosmic/Universal/Insert-catchy-prefix-here Avengers". And it ends. Well, it is obviously rushed and resumed, just so to give an idea of what I think.

Regardless of how the book is done, I think a book reuniting characters like these has potential to be more for children and teens, or for an adult public with deep stories. It is good to remember that they and their enemies are in the same power range (enemies even more powerful), so they can and should go full mode in all areas, power wise, emotion wise, etc. Their would be very close to normal characters in a way, there is no "do/dont do something just because you're a superior power". When everyone is equal there is no superior power, no need to hold back even on a discussion.

[strathcona]

Revive the Star Masters (Quasar, Beta-Ray, Silver Surfer and possibly Captain Morphex and Xenith). Throw in a few from Avengers Infinity (Monica, Tigra and Starfox) and I'd probably read it.

Xenith has actually appeared in a few issues of War of Kings. She has joined the Imperial Guard and is pretty unhappy with Gladiator.

[Captain Commander]

Xenith has actually appeared in a few issues of War of Kings. She has joined the Imperial Guard and is pretty unhappy with Gladiator.

All the better for her to ditch the Imperial Guard (aka Jobber Guard) and join up with a better team.:smile:

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I kinda think the idea of getting heavy hitters on a Team, specially cause it is one of those books that deals with the limits, it is good as a touchstone for the whole rest of any similar type of ficitonal universe. I like Thor and Herc's examples, since I know them well and they are gods, they're at pretty much top of the top. They are known as been pretty much badass, with thousands of year of experience in combat and war, and how many times have you seen them act and fight like retarded jerks? I take them as examples, but it affects most of those kind of characters, with a regular book were writers (and bashing public that will one way or the other affect future publications) showing how those powers should work you have less chance of having to stand those things.

So, for an hypothetical book, if I was the writer of the v1 and was to make it to be called Avengers (though I think I would call them something like Universal Avengers) this is how I would make/like to see done in a nutshell:

I would start having Thor involved. He is one of the "big three" and I think it is obvious there is going to be a connection there with the name. I am a bit unsure of the names to throw here, but I guess I would take at least as guaranteed for the first group Gamora, Moondragon, Surfer, Nova and MAYBE Thor would stick for after the first arc, or just come in once in a while. The idea is a bit cliche in some parts, one of those characters, probably Silver, would be in a planet, populated and some cosmic menace appear. Okay, he fights it, gets spanked, and notice the thing is growing and if it succeed in devouring that planet, he would grow even more and so on, not a cool thing and he has seen how things like that ends badly. He searches for individuals with power and will to fight that menace, save the planet and avoid a cosmic threat to spread. He gathers them, they come there, they see what is happening, they get spanked caused they're unorganized. They flee, get anger cause people are dying out there and they could not stop, they regroup, they make a good plan, and they go back to battle to avenge those who were killed by whatever menace is that (with a big battle cry, surely NOT from Thor, "We have returned and we are here to AVENGE those who you killed!" Battle is over, they consider they should form a more active patrol for those kind of cosmic threats, Thor compliments how they fought, someone will eventually say "so did you, Avenger", which would end with a "You united against an enemy none of us could prevail alone, you avenged the innocent and defenseless, you fought for the same ideals that have defined the Avengers since we learned to work together, for me you are as much Avengers as I." Then one of them will propose to honor that legacy, probably an ex-avenger, something like "those are noble goals and we will stand up for the honor of been called an Avenger, we will defend those goals not only on a planet, but on the whole universe. We will be know as the Cosmic/Universal/Insert-catchy-prefix-here Avengers". And it ends. Well, it is obviously rushed and resumed, just so to give an idea of what I think.

Regardless of how the book is done, I think a book reuniting characters like these has potential to be more for children and teens, or for an adult public with deep stories. It is good to remember that they and their enemies are in the same power range (enemies even more powerful), so they can and should go full mode in all areas, power wise, emotion wise, etc. Their would be very close to normal characters in a way, there is no "do/dont do something just because you're a superior power". When everyone is equal there is no superior power, no need to hold back even on a discussion.


I may not agree with your take, but I definitely respect the fact of someone putting their creativity out there, so thanks for sharing. I think Thor is more part of that Earth Avengers Classic core, and could be an occassional appearance but I'd like to establish that same core in space, with the cosmic characters to further Marvel cosmic so I wouldn't want to take from that.

I think Captain Marvel, the original protecor of the universe, however is an anomaly because he was always kind of a solo act but an honorary avenger, returning would be a good catalyst for this, because of the controversey and who would Norrin, Rich, Wendell, Draz and all these guys respect enough to unite for....you know?

That's just my take. Now I know that because of the campaign for Mar-Vell it seems like that's just a transparent vehicle, but realy it kinda does make sense and it could add to the generation of interest and controversy (which sells) to such a title.

I appreciate your theory and time taken though, it could work. Who knows what they'd do?

Kindest Regards*

[Finganforn]

I may not agree with your take, but I definitely respect the fact of someone putting their creativity out there, so thanks for sharing. I think Thor is more part of that Earth Avengers Classic core, and could be an occassional appearance but I'd like to establish that same core in space, with the cosmic characters to further Marvel cosmic so I wouldn't want to take from that.

I share thoughts on that too. The reason for thinking of him is just an assumption it had to be an Avengers title, so he would fit as a better link to it. He also is (supposedly) used to cosmic issues, extraterrestrial and even extraplanar and is accepted by public as an Avenger even when there is no official Avengers. Keeping that restriction, he would be on the first arc more likely to get a Seal of Approval than all. That is why I would consider not putting him permanently on team. But in the other hand, his cosmic side and previous experience with a lot of other planets and planes is often completely forgotten or poorly explored (often just limited to his experience with other earthly pantheons and magical stuff), in a book like this would be a good chance to work on it, I think he would be better explored on this kind of book than on earthly Avengers, and that could pay off and prove to be surprisingly interesting and this is what make me consider to keep him around.

Regardless of the characters, I would want to see that kind of approach for all of them, where their unique powers and life experiences are deeply explored. That can hardly be fully explored in other books where that powerhouse can't be all that, or else that guy with a bow/gun/shield/sword/martial arts/etc will lose his space, so this would be the place to have it.

I didn't consider Mar-Vell because it seems to be a house rule to not really bring him back (or yet) so I assumed that the apparent rule would stand. But I agree, if he was to come, he should freaking be on it, or at least play a important part on the first act and make many cameos after (if they brought him back, it would probably already have some major relation with other books and a solo book, so it is not unlikely to not have him available for a full time).

[Spectra]

Put these two on the team and I would pick it up every month

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[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

I share thoughts on that too. The reason for thinking of him is just an assumption it had to be an Avengers title, so he would fit as a better link to it. He also is (supposedly) used to cosmic issues, extraterrestrial and even extraplanar and is accepted by public as an Avenger even when there is no official Avengers. Keeping that restriction, he would be on the first arc more likely to get a Seal of Approval than all. That is why I would consider not putting him permanently on team. But in the other hand, his cosmic side and previous experience with a lot of other planets and planes is often completely forgotten or poorly explored (often just limited to his experience with other earthly pantheons and magical stuff), in a book like this would be a good chance to work on it, I think he would be better explored on this kind of book than on earthly Avengers, and that could pay off and prove to be surprisingly interesting and this is what make me consider to keep him around.

Fair enough. You make some good points. I may be overlooking Thor's cosmic side, I guess I would be just afraid of the subliminal "Hey look, it's Thor, he says it's okay to buy this cosmic book" factor because of his popularity because I want to establish a big 5 or 6 of Marvel Cosmic in the same way that they have for Avengers on Earth you know Cap, Iron Man, Thor + etc...and once he leaves it goes back to oh,it's just another cosmic book which generally has happened to cosmic books in the past, only a select few have had any real long term success.

However, if we're going Cosmic Avengers here, it would make sense to have the Earth team involved in some capacity no doubt, and I can see Thor being a part of that, I'd just rather use a cosmic hero that all the others revere and just the controversy of him being there being the link....dude, I just don't want one of those cheezy 90's covers where it's like Cosmic Avengers but Thor is here! so it's okay buy it! I'm picturing a Mount Rushmore type of iconic painting cover with the legends of cosmic there, and then have link with Thor and the Avengers, Cap while they set up their base.

I dunno, do you know what I mean?

I definitely appreciate your thought process though.

I'm just trying to express a mental picture.

Like the mag is basically saying we are cos mic, and thanks to Mar-Vell, Silver Surfer, Nova, Drax, Moondragon, Warlock, Firelord, Terrax, Rocket Raccoon, you know everybody...we've come further than just a secondary genre.

We're an entirely seperate movement that is going to turn comics on it's ear and attract fans that may have been on the fenece or felt like there's too much going on to get into, you know?

That's just a cover thought.

I dunno, dude...w/b

*


Regardless of the characters, I would want to see that kind of approach for all of them, where their unique powers and life experiences are deeply explored. That can hardly be fully explored in other books where that powerhouse can't be all that, or else that guy with a bow/gun/shield/sword/martial arts/etc will lose his space, so this would be the place to have it.

Finally! Somebody with some intelligence! lol....

I didn't consider Mar-Vell because it seems to be a house rule to not really bring him back (or yet) so I assumed that the apparent rule would stand. But I agree, if he was to come, he should freaking be on it, or at least play a important part on the first act and make many cameos after (if they brought him back, it would probably already have some major relation with other books and a solo book, so it is not unlikely to not have him available for a full time).


Whoahhhh, now....lol.. j/k bro...seriously though, hasn't it been long enough? If we wait too long it won't matter, and besides rules are made to be broken, and even though they'll say it's just a way to argue a Mar-Vell return (as if that's such a ridiculous notion at this point) that would definitely be a plot booster in establishing something like this. Either way though, I could see this working and if it was anyone other than me saying it, they might see that, but oh well, a cosmic legends team could help Marvel Cosmic as a genre, we agree on that.

I dunno what do you think?

*Thanks

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

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"It is a Captain, but not that one."

Yeah, well...who is THE Captain, ya know? but I like Monica as her own character. I really do. I've seen your replies and I'm sorry it took me so long to get back I do read them. I just like the original Captain Mar-Vell and I believe the campaign is going well and will help all of them, he's earned his chance again, you know, the one he never really lost? But they're screwing him out of it and I guesss it trickles down.

However, that "Photonica" name thing I head from Comet Man (the poster) sounds awesome for Monica, it's kinda hot actually, and I would expect that she will have a role to play in that upcoming War of the Marvels, I have no idea what it's going to be like, I'm just basing that on the title, and the theory that the winner gets the real bands and the title of Captain Mar-Vell or Marvel, whatever, same thing basically....similar to DC's Battle for the Cowl, but like a Battle for the Bands...that's just a pure random speculation, they never let people do things to promote Captain Marvel, my friend has a theory on it. but I could see it benefitting her. Shame they won't put original Mar-Vell in it. I mean how can you have a war of the marvels without mar-vell, monica, the re-formed energies of genis, atlas, quasar, noh-varr, phyla-vell and the rest? I think the whole thing will culminate with Noh-Varr getting the red and blue, but it'd be nice to see them throw a curve ball and have Monica channel in the spirit of Mar-Vell who has been depicted in a state of limbo in the afterlife (his spirit was seperated from the body just like Thanos in Death of Captain Marvel, this is again shown in Silver Surfer #63 and of course the living consciousness in mighty Avengers #19 recently) that'd be a cool hookup, Carol gets jealous....anyway....just throwing out seeds. He's stuck somehow inside the nega-bands.

Did you ever get that Avengers annual?


Guess it all depends on what they let Brian Reed get away with...the guy's pretty good when given a chance.

Anyways, back to topic....I don't really see Monica as a Cosmic icon, only because she's more earth based, but like the original she does have a crossover appeal, and since she's getting the shaft so to speak as the original, I'd have no problem with her in it. I like the new name, she's part of the whole Mar-Vell-ology defintely. Maybe if we can get the original back, it'd make for more possible story exposure for her? You're welcome to join the campaign, I don't see her as just a nobody or something.

You see, the concept here, is the mount rushmore of Cosmic Marvel, which is arguably really Mar-Vell, Surfer, Drax, Warlock, Nova, Rom, Quasar, Super Skrull, Firelord, and we go from there...Photonica would be a cool addition though, she meets the crossover requirements but I don't think it would generate the same controversy and attention as Mar-Vell return, and a "cosmic avengers" title, however I could see them finally teaming up being cool.

You know what I mean? I know I'm leaving people out, but they kinda started it, what I mean by that is having monthly cosmic titles...Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, Warlock, Nova...+ etc, the ones who had titles that put cosmic where it is....I'd have no problem with Monica being involved.


Wouldn't it be crazy if Nathan Jefferson was actually the son of Mar-Vell and Moinca Rambeau? I dunno, I'm not sure how that would work technically the name and all, maybe he was hidden to protect him from enemies of Captain Marvel...anyways just a brainstorm.

I dunno, that's probably another thread, but what do you think of the idea of the cosmic legends/universe avengers/"cosmic avengers"/whatever team idea?

I suggested "Cosmic Avengers", howbout "Universal Avengers" that could work to, I'm not big into Blue Marvel, but that's cool...what's your take on that (The "Blue" Marvel?)? Give me your basic take on that character and are they actually referring to Photon/Pulsar/Captain Marvel II as "Photonika"? That's cool as hell if they are.


*Kindest Regards

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;9085251']Only if it had ROM

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Duuuude, I know. He has a link to Rick Jones, does he not?

Does Marvel still have his liscense to be able to be used in the Captain Marvel or whomever led "Cosmic Avengers" team?

Where is Jack of hearts to? There's one I'd like to see. I know, it's a little obscure, and let's not forget Eros, I guess technically he'd be in, he's not in gotg as a member full time, right? Makes sense he was part of that trailblazing period for Marvel cosmic. Starfox? Ugh, I hated that, but he could get a revamp perhaps. I'm picturing Vega from Street fighter the video game for some reason, like his face has been scarred and he must wear his ....nah, been done, just throwing seeds out...

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Does Marvel still have his liscenseNope.
Where is Jack of hearts to?Dead.

[Frodo-X]

If it was written by DnA, you bet your ass I would!

If it was written by anyone else (with a couple exceptions), I'd certainly give it a shot.

[stingerman]

The only problem I foresee with having all these heavy hitters on one team is good quality story lines.

Marvel for some reason assumes powerful characters are hard to write (why no surfer ongoing most likely) so having an ongoing might be a difficult sell.

You would also need one heck of a villain (group of villains?) for these guys to form a team.

Still, if done right it would be quite good.

[Finganforn]

Fair enough. You make some good points. I may be overlooking Thor's cosmic side, I guess I would be just afraid of the subliminal "Hey look, it's Thor, he says it's okay to buy this cosmic book" factor because of his popularity because I want to establish a big 5 or 6 of Marvel Cosmic in the same way that they have for Avengers on Earth you know Cap, Iron Man, Thor + etc...and once he leaves it goes back to oh,it's just another cosmic book which generally has happened to cosmic books in the past, only a select few have had any real long term success.

That could happen to both Silver Surfer and Mar-Vell, both have a couple of fans who would buy the first issues because it is "the book with character XXXX I like". Or other characters too, like Carol Danvers, people would go 'it is the book with Miss Tit... Marvel'. I agree 100%, if it be handled like "lets put this popular guy here to to increase sales" it would be a complete pile of crap, they could just use Wolverine for that, we are at least used with him appearing on everyone's and their mothers' books and adding absolutely nothing to it. But considering that is not the intention, it can work in a good way to have any of those popular characters, even if it was to increase sales (too), after all it needs to sell to continue.

On a book where attention is overall distributed equally between the team members, when you see Thor/Surfer/Mar-Vell/Carol/Someone-you-like doing awesome things, in the next panel/book you will see that other guy you didn't know also doing something awesome at the same level and maybe that your favorite couldn't do, and when they interact they would show how they threat and respect each other. No "Thou watch thy tongue when speaking to the son of Odin", neither "Do not raise your tone with the bearer of the Power Cosmic", no poser attitude, that kind of egocentric dialogue has no place here. Any more popular character would be there just like the any other, as part of the book, also sharing the space, not taking all the spotlights as a superstar and making a superior pose, he/she is one more in the mix. Surely, they have their space, they are well portrayed on that space, as the others have their space and are well portrayed on it. Even when acting as link to something else/having a purpose outside of the history, that is part of his/her addition to the mix, not the only function. Mar-Vell, apart from boosting sales with his return, what else he offers? Surfer, apart from been popular and herald of Galactus what can he really add? Wolverine, apart from not fitting here what.. okay, bad joke.

That could act as a way to also increase the overall popularity of the less popular characters. Says a reader "I like the Surfer, but the Surfer respects that Nova guy who I never cared about like an equal and he did do something as amazing as what the Surfer did". That makes people go "wow, that guy is fantastic, the Surfer respects him, that thing he did was interesting, he has some powers I didn't know, I want to know more of him". As a group, readers aren't interested in filler characters, so they all have to be handled as main characters for that good thing to happen. And that is when a book stop been the book with popular character A and exists on its own. I can start buying because it features Miss T... er... Marvel, but I will keep buying even if she leaves for a time because now, for me, it also features that interesting Quasar, that cool Beta Ray Bill and his ship, all those other characters I like that I have never knew before but now I know I won't see them in any other place, in such deep manner as in this book, were they are between equals.

[earl]

I don't think there needs to be more 'Avengers' comics, but I would say we are overdue for a big Avengers Cosmic epic storyline. It would be cool to have both Avengers comics cross over back and forth for a few months on some huge epic cosmic story.

[Make Mine Mar-Vell]

That could happen to both Silver Surfer and Mar-Vell, both have a couple of fans who would buy the first issues because it is "the book with character XXXX I like". Or other characters too, like Carol Danvers, people would go 'it is the book with Miss Tit... Marvel'. I agree 100%, if it be handled like "lets put this popular guy here to to increase sales" it would be a complete pile of crap, they could just use Wolverine for that, we are at least used with him appearing on everyone's and their mothers' books and adding absolutely nothing to it. But considering that is not the intention, it can work in a good way to have any of those popular characters, even if it was to increase sales (too), after all it needs to sell to continue.

On a book where attention is overall distributed equally between the team members, when you see Thor/Surfer/Mar-Vell/Carol/Someone-you-like doing awesome things, in the next panel/book you will see that other guy you didn't know also doing something awesome at the same level and maybe that your favorite couldn't do, and when they interact they would show how they threat and respect each other. No "Thou watch thy tongue when speaking to the son of Odin", neither "Do not raise your tone with the bearer of the Power Cosmic", no poser attitude, that kind of egocentric dialogue has no place here. Any more popular character would be there just like the any other, as part of the book, also sharing the space, not taking all the spotlights as a superstar and making a superior pose, he/she is one more in the mix. Surely, they have their space, they are well portrayed on that space, as the others have their space and are well portrayed on it. Even when acting as link to something else/having a purpose outside of the history, that is part of his/her addition to the mix, not the only function. Mar-Vell, apart from boosting sales with his return, what else he offers? Surfer, apart from been popular and herald of Galactus what can he really add? Wolverine, apart from not fitting here what.. okay, bad joke.

That could act as a way to also increase the overall popularity of the less popular characters. Says a reader "I like the Surfer, but the Surfer respects that Nova guy who I never cared about like an equal and he did do something as amazing as what the Surfer did". That makes people go "wow, that guy is fantastic, the Surfer respects him, that thing he did was interesting, he has some powers I didn't know, I want to know more of him". As a group, readers aren't interested in filler characters, so they all have to be handled as main characters for that good thing to happen. And that is when a book stop been the book with popular character A and exists on its own. I can start buying because it features Miss T... er... Marvel, but I will keep buying even if she leaves for a time because now, for me, it also features that interesting Quasar, that cool Beta Ray Bill and his ship, all those other characters I like that I have never knew before but now I know I won't see them in any other place, in such deep manner as in this book, were they are between equals.

You made a lot of sense on this post.

I'm still going over it in my head.

A lot of people aren't getting that I'm suggesting a THIRD cosmic monthly beyond the usual one solo and one team cosmic mentality, as if it's just some secondary market not worth exploring. Now is the time to act, "Cosmic Marvel" has become it's own thing and a book like this, as you noted as well could spotlight those pockets of hardcore fans of character XXXXX, even the contrast between the GOTG team and them, would benefit both titles, you seem to get that and I appreciate that.

Like we're furthering the entireity of Marvel Cosmic as it's own genre.

I like the idea of using Mar-Vell especially because of the controversy it seems to ensue, but I feel the same way as using Norrin and Drax and all of the above, as the avatar of such an endeavor. It's not like he hasn't earned it, you know?

Somehow the sincerity of this hypothetical project is being lost, this could work for everybody who is a fan of cosmic character XXXXX ( man I respect the way you worded that) it gives a monthly vehicle for the lost icons of Marvel cosmic that still command interest, but are hot and cold sales wise because of the lack of grasp creatively.

I'm suggesting a concurrent team to GOTG that spotlights the legends, the trailblazers of Marvel Cosmic while linking it to the known success and gateway, so to speak, of Avengers titles. It can be done, if we get past assuming it would be contrived.

We can spotlight whomever each month and it's all good for everybody, even if it's not the real Captain Marvel, please make no mistake, this idea can work itself can work, don't be put aside by suggestion of the original protector of the universe's revival, it's almost as if it's become illegal to even suggest such a thing.

Why there's some kind of "glass ceiling" for this one particular character I have no idea, however it does seem to generate controversy which does sell, I mean look at the thread itself, I got guys dissecting my every word just because I suggest that this character XXXX's return makes sense in this scenario. However, I am very logical when I say something like this, the idea of a cosmic legends team, T-E-A-M, could add to the Marvel Cosmic genre. I'm not saying replace the current monthlies, I'm saying this would be a good base, that you can play off of for an cosmic epic but it's packaged in a way to appeal to people who wouldn't nomally be into Marvel Cosmic.

You rock, thanks for sharing, it seems like we're like minded to an extent, and I'll try and ignore the people who rip me. It's like you'll get spit on if you mention Mar-Vell round here, meanwhile the character refuses to die as in it's still relevant.

I hate to dilute it down to that again, but it seems I've been given no choice, if you were going to make a mount rushmore of Marvel Cosmic and the progress the genre has done with the current things, you have to include guys like "character XXXX"...bad joke or truth?

Anyway, getting back to the topic as it is defined:

These ideas are very much valid. I don't really see how any fan of Marvel cosmic would disagree because your "character XXXX" is there to. The initial concept would only further Marvel Cosmic as a serious genre, regardless of who you want as the leader or whatever. The idea can work and be a gateway, yes I said it again, for non cosmic readers, to say "hey, jump aboard, we're going to outer space and you're going to like it this time", while also capitalizing on the hardcore fanbases of known cosmic characters.

[PympMyQuinjet]

I mean one that featured all the heavy hitters and trailblazers of Marvel cosmic, and they cover the solar sytem and atmosphere of Earth but are recognized as Avengers. I mean they've had Dark Avengers, Mighty, New, West Coast, Great Lakes + etc., why not?

Guardians has done okay, but I'm not really into it personally, they kinda lost around 10.

I mean a lineup consisting of Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer, Nova, Drax the Destroyer, Rom, Quasar, Firelord, Moondragon, Warlock, everybody.

Do you find this too obvious or do you think it would be cool to see all the big guns so speak together? I mean I guess I could see where someone could think of it as overkill, but on the other hand, with the right creative team, it would be cool to see them all together if it was done right anyway.

Do you think this could be the Marvel cosmic team book that could garner a 5-10 year committment, could be successful over a period of years rather than a flash in the pan, all of those characters (and feel free to suggest whomever I left out) have fanbases...even if it were in the all ages universe.

Thoughts?

I see what you did there.

[Shinglepants]

A lot of people aren't getting that I'm suggesting a THIRD cosmic monthly beyond the usual one solo and one team.

I get it, I want Marvel to give "Cosmic" a push and further establish it. Like I stated earlier my own personal choice would be a Silver Surfer solo. However if they did run with a second team book I would certainly check it out. As long as they dont take Drax from GotG like you suggested :tongue:

Silver Surfer, Mar-Vell, Beta Ray Bill and Nova. I guess I could get behind a team like that. I wouldnt want them to make it an Avengers title though, enough of them aready!

[GHalecki]

I dunno. Mar-Vell has always struck me as a guy in the same vein as Barry Allen.

Passable, all right hero, who never really made it to the A-list. But his death story was so well done it improved his standing with fans retroactively.

There would be nothing gained by his return, only lost. (I think the time travel return could've had some teeth, but Marvel clearly had no idea what they were doing with him there.)

If you truely love Mar-vel you would let him rest in peace after what was not only the greatest charachter death, but one of the single greatest comic stories EVER.
I agree completely with you in the fact that both Marv and Barry became better and mor important by virtue of their deaths.

As for a cosmic Avengers....

I could see it as a team of Earth heroes (with an occasional exception like Bill or Eros mixed in for flavor) that hare doing Earth related stuff, but they need to go into space to do it.

Situations like "we need to get this non agression treaty delivered to the Badoon" or "some Dire Wraith showed up and is trafficing more of his kind onto Earth. We better go cut ot off at it's source" or "some dumb asses just shot the Hulk off into space and he landed on an inhabited planet. Somebody should go offer him a ride home and apologize, and ask him REALLY nicely not to kill everyone when he gets back" or Lthis intergalactic bounty hunter just snatched an earthling to sell to the Collector. Who wants to go retrieve him?" or "Magneto is making a getaway to a distant galazy. We could just let him go, but we would be better off bringing him back to pay for his crimes."

It would be more necissary that they were people that could function in space, as opposed to just being that powerful (although they generally go together).

This keeps the team confined to stuff that originates or directly involves Earth. They are still grounded and can do solo stuff on Earth and maintain their supporting charachters and stuff like that.
The rest of the universe is the backyard of the GotG.

I would see Quasar, Bill, Wonder Man, Black Knight, Firebird.
Occasional appearances by Thor, Iron Man, and especially Nova.
Add one or two lower to mid powered charachters for contrast, like Justice, Captain America, Hawkeye, Beast or someone else, even just for a guest spot here or there.

[Vic Vega]

Cosmic Avengers?

It could work.

My lineup:

Ms. Marvel-She's been in space as a Starjammer and she's worked for NASA . She's perfect for the leader role.

Quasar-Now that he isn't dead anymore, his powers and the fact that he's been in space more than nearly any other Avenger makes him second in command.

Century-He hasn't been seen since the Force Works days but he make a useful addition with his teleporting skills

Darkhawk-His android body was designed to fight in space.

Beta Ray Bill He's Space Thor. 'Nuff said.

Deathcry I always thought she kinda got a raw deal. I see her a Han Solo space pilot type.

[Expletive Deleted]

I could see it as a team of Earth heroes (with an occasional exception like Bill or Eros mixed in for flavor) that hare doing Earth related stuff, but they need to go into space to do it.

Situations like "we need to get this non agression treaty delivered to the Badoon" or "some Dire Wraith showed up and is trafficing more of his kind onto Earth. We better go cut ot off at it's source" or "some dumb asses just shot the Hulk off into space and he landed on an inhabited planet. Somebody should go offer him a ride home and apologize, and ask him REALLY nicely not to kill everyone when he gets back" or Lthis intergalactic bounty hunter just snatched an earthling to sell to the Collector. Who wants to go retrieve him?" or "Magneto is making a getaway to a distant galazy. We could just let him go, but we would be better off bringing him back to pay for his crimes."

It would be more necissary that they were people that could function in space, as opposed to just being that powerful (although they generally go together).

This keeps the team confined to stuff that originates or directly involves Earth. They are still grounded and can do solo stuff on Earth and maintain their supporting charachters and stuff like that.
The rest of the universe is the backyard of the GotG.

I would see Quasar, Bill, Wonder Man, Black Knight, Firebird.
Occasional appearances by Thor, Iron Man, and especially Nova.
Add one or two lower to mid powered charachters for contrast, like Justice, Captain America, Hawkeye, Beast or someone else, even just for a guest spot here or there.Cool idea. It's different enough to avoid repetition with GotG, but it's still cosmic.

It might be interesting to incorporate SWORD in some way, either as a competitor organization or as the team's benefactor. I think the latter would be especially interesting, with Agent Brand in a kind of an '80s Gyrich role.

[GHalecki]

I could see it very much like that with SWORD. But it would HAVE to be (IMHO) a situation where they were a bunch of independant heroes that undertook this task, and they choose to work in cooperation with SWORD, as opposed to them being "SWORD's superhero branch". More of a 'We here at SWORD came accross this situation and thought you could look into it" as opposed to "here is your assignment".

BTW as someone mentioned way above.

GotG WOULD sell a lot more if it was called cosmic Avengers.
Same with Avengers: Europe for Captain Brittan and Avengers: North for Alpha Flight.
It isn't fair. It isn't right. But it is.

[Captain Commander]

BTW as someone mentioned way above.

GotG WOULD sell a lot more if it was called cosmic Avengers.
Same with Avengers: Europe for Captain Brittan and Avengers: North for Alpha Flight.
It isn't fair. It isn't right. But it is.

Avengers Antarctica? I can only wait and hope.:smile:

[GHalecki]

It is only a matter of time.

But I think if both Captain Brittan and Alpha Flight were branded with the Avengers name, both would be going strong.

I am really surprised that there isn't a return of Avengers Spotlight right now. There are a lot of Avengers related charachters out there that are underdeveloped and under exposed, and right now a book that focused on them could not only sell well enough, but could do some good for the charachters and fans, even in small doses.

[Avenger08]

Honestly, i would love a cosmic Avengers. I have never really been that into the whole cosmic part of Marvel but id like to get into it more and i think it would be cool if there was one

[GHalecki]

A lot of previous "cosmic" stuff, be it Silver Surfer or Green Lantern, seemed like it was sometimes done just to be "cosmic" not to achieve anything in the sense of storytelling. It almost seemed like excuses to draw wierd looking aliens and landscapes or giant space armadas or brand new erdiculously incomprehendable beings.

I am glad that Nova isn't falling into that trap.

[ImmortalIronFist]

Spun out of an idea from the Fourth Avengers Book Speculation thread.

With the rumors of Nova and GotG being cancelled, if there was an Avengers book solely dedicated to Cosmic threats, would you buy it and who would you want on the team?

My Team:

Nova
Star-Lord
Gamora
Quasar
Drax
Rocket Raccoon
Noh-Varr

with Cosmo and Moondragon as support

[ImmortalIronFist]

Do you think this would help bring the Cosmic side of Marvel closer to the main Earth-bound mainstream and help make Cosmic stuff more popular?

[XPac]

Do you think this would help bring the Cosmic side of Marvel closer to the main Earth-bound mainstream and help make Cosmic stuff more popular?

That can help, yeah. I think the Infinity Gauntlet stuff brought the cosmic stuff a little closer to home (and even the focus of several of their company wide events). And in the short term at least, that helped.

Over on the DC side of things, a lot of the Green Lantern stuff like Blackest Night and Sinestro Corps likewise brought the cosmic stuff right to earths door, thus involving the big guns.

I think it's a good idea for the cosmic stuff to come plantet side every once in a while... though there's still a lot to be said about staying off of earth and doing their own thing.

I do think if you're going to make a cosmic Avengers team, you need someone like Hank Pym on there to make it a REAL Avengers team. It can't just be Guarians of the Galaxy, with the word Avengers plasters on the cover as a way to try and get sales.

[dabig2]

It's to the point now that if you were to just rename the GoTG team "The Cosmic Avengers" and put another somewhat popular Marvel earth hero on the team(how about Mr. Scientist Supreme of the universe), the book would do mighty well.

[firefly13]

Spun out of an idea from the Fourth Avengers Book Speculation thread.

With the rumors of Nova and GotG being cancelled, if there was an Avengers book solely dedicated to Cosmic threats, would you buy it and who would you want on the team?

My Team:

Nova
Star-Lord
Gamora
Quasar
Drax
Rocket Raccoon
Noh-Varr

with Cosmo and Moondragon as support

I really hope those rumors aren't true but those titles have landed just below the top 100 of each month (in the 90's, IIRC).

Let me add to your team CA team:

Major Victory - Have to have a Shield represented in space
Phyla-Vell - Cool to see her and Nor-Varr interact

with Mantis and Robbie (Richard's bro) along as support.

Ah...I do love the DnA Cosmic world! I was so happy the Inhumans were added. :smile:

[firefly13]

That can help, yeah. I think the Infinity Gauntlet stuff brought the cosmic stuff a little closer to home (and even the focus of several of their company wide events). And in the short term at least, that helped.

Over on the DC side of things, a lot of the Green Lantern stuff like Blackest Night and Sinestro Corps likewise brought the cosmic stuff right to earths door, thus involving the big guns.

I think it's a good idea for the cosmic stuff to come plantet side every once in a while... though there's still a lot to be said about staying off of earth and doing their own thing.

I do think if you're going to make a cosmic Avengers team, you need someone like Hank Pym on there to make it a REAL Avengers team. It can't just be Guarians of the Galaxy, with the word Avengers plasters on the cover as a way to try and get sales.

If there were a Cosmic Avenger team than the only one to lead will be Nova. The dude's been thru so much and has plenty of experience with the universe.

[ImmortalIronFist]

I would buy Hank Pym doing some crazy Space-Science stuff, but Nova's got to be the field leader while Pym is in the Infinite Mansion making crazy stuff.

Phyla can come on the team after she stops being Martyr, something about the avatar of death being on the avengers rubs me the wrong way.

[firefly13]

Phyla can come on the team after she stops being Martyr, something about the avatar of death being on the avengers rubs me the wrong way.

It looks like from the previews that the Magus may restore the ones he killed including Phyla which means her debt to Oblivion has been payed in full, IMO.

[ImmortalIronFist]

If she her debt to Oblivion is payed, then her as Mar-Vell's daughter, and Noh-Varr as the Mar-Vell's Kree-appointed sucessor could be interesting.

[XPac]

I would buy Hank Pym doing some crazy Space-Science stuff, but Nova's got to be the field leader while Pym is in the Infinite Mansion making crazy stuff.

Phyla can come on the team after she stops being Martyr, something about the avatar of death being on the avengers rubs me the wrong way.

To me, it doesn't seem like an Avengers book if they don't have an Avenger in charge at least at the very start. They might as well just call it Guardians of the Galaxy.

[ImmortalIronFist]

To me, it doesn't seem like an Avengers book if they don't have an Avenger in charge at least at the very start. They might as well just call it Guardians of the Galaxy.

That's where Pym comes in, he's like the overall leader of the team while Nova leads them out in the field.

Kind of like Prof X and Cyclops but more fun and in space.

[firefly13]

If she her debt to Oblivion is payed, then her as Mar-Vell's daughter, and Noh-Varr as the Mar-Vell's Kree-appointed sucessor could be interesting.

Yup, interesting indeed. :cool:

[Frodo-X]

I would totally buy this. Here's a team I wouldn't mind seeing:

Rocket Raccoon
Nova
Quasar
Groot
Starlord
Noh-Varr
Darkhawk

Cosmo at the base

I'd be flexible, though.

[GozertheGozarian]

I want fewer titles tied to Earth, not more.

[Captain Clarkie]

wouldn't mind seeing a hero who'd never been off the Earth before, just so he/she could freak-out and also help with exposition.

[seanx]

Nova
Nova(the other one)
a Phoenix(Rachel perhaps)
Moondragon
Firelord
Drax
Phyla-Vell
Beta Ray Bill

[seanx]

Oh yeah, Wolverine, as he must be on EVERY team. And Spider Man as a reocuring character

[firefly13]

Oh yeah, Wolverine, as he must be on EVERY team. And Spider Man as a reocuring character

LMAO...I love Wolverine and Spidey but that was funny. :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

[Squeege63]

GOTG already has that in Jack Flagg.

[Finganforn]

Oh yeah, Wolverine, as he must be on EVERY team. And Spider Man as a reocuring character

And deadpool. It is about time for him to also appear in an avenger book, and what not more fitting than a Cosmic one? That would be a decent start for his glorious career in the avengers!

[Captain Clarkie]

GOTG already has that in Jack Flagg.

if that's a reply to me, good point. I'd forgotten about him. I've reverted to buying cosmic stuff in trades, so I'm a little behind current events.

[firefly13]

And deadpool. It is about time for him to also appear in an avenger book, and what not more fitting than a Cosmic one? That would be a decent start for his glorious career in the avengers!

IMO, someone needs to get the Muramasa blade and either end this or have Emma fix DP (like Bob, sort of) like he was in his Liefeld time (LIEfeld...*shutters*). I don't mind DP being a smart arse like Spidey but he's getting too much.

...And this is coming from a huge Wolverine fan who wishes the same (I wish Logan only had his own title along with some X-books). Blasphemy I know but DP is getting more over exposure than Logan at this time. Thank you Marvel for taking the heat off my boy Logan, at least for the time being. :cool:

[ImmortalIronFist]

i would love to see a team like this fight the bad Avengers team from the other side of the fault

[firefly13]

i would love to see a team like this fight the bad Avengers team from the other side of the fault

That or the Luminals. They're starting to piss me off and with the counsel of Knowhere, Peter should terminate their arrangement and send them back Xarth Three. :evilsmile:

[LordAllMighty]

If you called it Cosmic Avengers and populated most of the team with GotG characters, I wouldn't read it. To me, if you have Avengers in the title, I want to see Avengers in the book.

I really like the idea of Marvel's cosmic heroes but not enough to read about them monthly (sorry GotG fans).

If you call it Cosmic Avengers, then use Avengers that can operate on a cosmic level (not just talking about powers here people)

My team:

Quasar (Leader)
Nova
Pulsar (Monica)
Black Knight
Darkhawk
Drax
Sersi
Beta Ray Bill
Gamora
Wonder Man
Moondragon (maybe use her cousin Sundragon, but the interaction between Seris and Moony would be great)
and maybe Rocket Raccoon

Either have them be a Earthbound team handling cosmic level threats or have the team lost in space. For the second part, have Quasar's bands malfunction, so that he can't port them back to earth.

Just my ideas though....

[rds243]

I think Nova should do his own thing, with the occasional team-up.
My picks:
Starlord
Quasar
Moondragon
Starfox
Rocket Raccoon
Phyla
Hollywood (get Wonder Man off world, see if he can develop)

Cosmo and Pym at base

[LordAllMighty]

Owwwww....Wonder Man would be a great addition to my team.

[[]D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite]

I already have a candidate.

http://coolkits.net/Rom.jpg
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/av2211.jpg
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hawkeyeiconic5.jpg

[firefly13]

D[]/\/\[]D @ Nite/So-tite;10608726']I already have a candidate.
http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/hawkeyeiconic5.jpg

I still wonder why Scott was included in this cover...:confused:

[4sake]

If it a Avenger team thanI feel an Avenger with leadership experience should lead it from/way & since they're in space a cosmic/space character should lead also.. So think a Cosmic Avengers team would need at least to leaders..

Sceptre/Monica Rambeau (Co-Leader)
Starlord/Peter Quill (Co-Leader)
Nova/Richard Rider
Rocket Raccoon
Wendell Vaughn/Quasar
Drax The Destroyer
Groot
Maxam
Moondragon /Heather Douglas
Mantis Brandt (when she come back)
Martyr/Phyla-Vell (when she come back)
Gamora (when she come back)

Supporting cast/team

Bug & Skreet, Cammi, Cosmo (when he come back), Robert Rider & Pip the Troll

Jack Flag - come back to earth..

[HalaSon]

Genis-Vell
Star-lord
Songbird
Captain Marvel
Super-Skrull
Martyr
Mainframe
Beta Ray Bill
Star-Fox

Iron Man commissions a newly revived Genis-Vell to assemble a Chapter of the Avengers specificly designed to combat interstellar threats. Tony tells Genis that Mainframe (Yes from A-Next), a Ironman android based on Vision tech is going to be Tony's eyes and ears to the Cosmic Avengers. Making sure they keep the Avengers name clean and what not. Genis tags the new Captain Marvel (Noh-Varr) and Songbird to travel to Hyperion, a space-station designed by the Titans to set up shop. Genis dupes his good ole Uncle Starfox to be the teams resident ladies man. He then reaches out to the Annihilation heroes, Star-lord comes onto the team as the second in command (Genis and Peter would be like the Batman and Superman of the team). He invites his sister Phyla (Martyr) and Beta Ray Bill. Finally Genis recruits Super-Skrull (Kl'rt) onto the team much to Starks disapproval.

[CaptainOtter]

Still dont see why they need "cosmic avengers". Thats basically what the guardians of the galaxy are, and the two would cover alot of the same territory.

That being said, the only team leader is Nova. No one is nearly as qualified. The guy fought off the annihilation wave, and lead the allied forces in the face of almost certain destruction. He was the man in charge. Few other characters in Marvel can boast accomplishments like that, and certainly none of the cosmic ones. Considering his experience, strength level, personality and history, this would be Novas team to lead.

[Global Honored]

My Cosmic Avengers
The Silver Surfer (the shiny ubermensch has a chance to lead for a change, he's our super Cap but with longboard in place of shield)
Beta Ray Bill (our Thor)
Midnight Sun (I think he is redeemed(?) if not, we'll make it so b/c he is our "Hawkeye" with his purple fedora and questionable moral history)
The Black Knight (somebody has to fly the spaceship and occasionally need rescuing, i.e. Avengers' Han Solo)
Beast (team smartypants with galactic experience...the brains)
Crystal (every team needs a red headed psionic)
She Hulk (team stongma...er...the brawn!)

[BugsySig]

If it was going to ba a true Avengers team, the title would need all heavy-hitters to draw in the audience:

Nova
Protector/Noh-Var
Quasar or Phyla-Vell (not both)
Darkhawk
Beta Ray Bill
Adam Warlock
Beast

Then station them at SWORD with Agent Brand as their technical support.

[XPac]

Still dont see why they need "cosmic avengers". Thats basically what the guardians of the galaxy are, and the two would cover alot of the same territory.

That being said, the only team leader is Nova. No one is nearly as qualified. The guy fought off the annihilation wave, and lead the allied forces in the face of almost certain destruction. He was the man in charge. Few other characters in Marvel can boast accomplishments like that, and certainly none of the cosmic ones. Considering his experience, strength level, personality and history, this would be Novas team to lead.

Perhaps the point of it is to replace the Guardians with the cosmic Avengers, so the cosmic books with have the Avengers banner on it, which MIGHT help sales.

[ImmortalIronFist]

Perhaps the point of it is to replace the Guardians with the cosmic Avengers, so the cosmic books with have the Avengers banner on it, which MIGHT help sales.

That would indeed be the point. Also, Earth meddles in the entire universe all the time anyway, why not have an actual sanctioned team of Avengers do it? I think it would make sense for Earth to do something like this given the events of SI.

[LordAllMighty]

Perhaps the point of it is to replace the Guardians with the cosmic Avengers, so the cosmic books with have the Avengers banner on it, which MIGHT help sales.

Seeing that I've recently stopped reading a lot of X-Titles, putting the Avengers in a space book, would give me something to do with my extra cash.

[firefly13]

Perhaps the point of it is to replace the Guardians with the cosmic Avengers, so the cosmic books with have the Avengers banner on it, which MIGHT help sales.

I hate to hear two of my favorite books may be on the verge of being cancelled. The sales don't lie though. Here's the bottom on Top 100 Comics: January 2010 from Diamond


90 BOOSTER GOLD #28
91 NOVA #33
92 AVENGERS VS AGENTS OF ATLAS #1
93 POWER GIRL #8
94 GUARDIANS OF GALAXY #22
95 BRAVE AND THE BOLD #31
96 MS MARVEL #49
97 WORLDS FINEST #4
98 STAR WARS LEGACY #44 MONSTER PT 2
99 ANGEL #29
100 FABLES #92

[AJBopp]

Assuming the story was good, I would be up for it. Mar-Vell would need to be in and be the leader of the team, and Adam Warlock would need to be in it.

[Beast]

Assuming the story was good, I would be up for it. Mar-Vell would need to be in and be the leader of the team, and Adam Warlock would need to be in it.
Mar-Vell is dead. And bringing him back would suck. His death had huge signifigance.

[moochavelli]

Of course the initial line-up would have to include a mystery man in the Ronin suit. After 9 issues Ronin would reveal his true identity as Rom, Space Knight.

[celticguy]

I don't mind cosmic avenger stories as a chage of pace but as a regular gentre I would lose interest.

[Godlike13]

Don't we have cosmic avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy.

[ImmortalIronFist]

Don't we have cosmic avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Kind of, but they're not very well known around the universe, while the Avengers is a very well known name with a universal reputation.

[celticguy]

Kind of, but they're not very well known around the universe, while the Avengers is a very well known name with a universal reputation.

I doubt there has been much marketing research done on this. Althoght maybe Silver Surfer can start carrying a clip board.

Surfer would say the Avengers are Very Familar, somewhat familiar, and not at all familiar?

[moochavelli]

n/m *bad post*

[LordAllMighty]

Don't we have cosmic avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy.

Sadly, not enough readers care about the adventures of GotG.

[Ratwedge]

Kind of, but they're not very well known around the universe, while the Avengers is a very well known name with a universal reputation.

Avengers are hardly well known either.

Nova is famous in the universe, Avengers are the hicks from the genetic timebomb that like to poke their noses into others affairs.

[XPac]

Avengers are hardly well known either.

Nova is famous in the universe, Avengers are the hicks from the genetic timebomb that like to poke their noses into others affairs.

The Nova Corps is likely famours for being blown up so often.

I'm sure Nova is starting to get a descent rep for himself, and rightly so. But I honestly think there are earth bound heroes like the Fantastic Four and the Avengers, who still have done more in space despite Nova's current position.

Let's face it... Nova is only now doing a lot in space. He frankly spend most of his hero career on earth too, and doing far less than a lot of other heroes.

[Ratwedge]

The Nova Corps is likely famours for being blown up so often.

I'm sure Nova is starting to get a descent rep for himself, and rightly so. But I honestly think there are earth bound heroes like the Fantastic Four and the Avengers, who still have done more in space despite Nova's current position.

Let's face it... Nova is only now doing a lot in space. He frankly spend most of his hero career on earth too, and doing far less than a lot of other heroes.

lolwut.

Are you serious?

[ImmortalIronFist]

I think Nova's got more than just a decent rep for himself now, after winning the Annihilation War and fighting back the Phalanx. At least among the Kree, the man's a hero of the highest order.

[JulyDarth]

I'm gonna say No

First you already had that weird cosmic mix in a team called Defenders, Nova, Super-Skrull, Moondragon, Gamora, Beta-Ray Bill, Rocket Racoon they could easily be part of a team called Defenders, the Defenders is a team they can all join if they were not deep in an ongoing Guardians of the Galaxy story.
You also have the Guardains of the Galaxy team! Great Comic check it out!
Plus the Nova comic and the Nova Corp back in action

Marvel's cosmic titles are doing fine now, don't over saturate it. Let these great stories develop

There have been too many Avengers comics these past years, almost all need to be cut and I'm delighted its going back to its classic roots.
Avengers is an Earth based squad,
not a bunch of Space based people like the Lantern Corp or the Guardians of the Galaxy

That's why I vote NO

[XPac]

I think Nova's got more than just a decent rep for himself now, after winning the Annihilation War and fighting back the Phalanx. At least among the Kree, the man's a hero of the highest order.

I'll give him Annihilation... that was huge. I don't think he played a huge role in COnquest or War of Kings. And I'm not sure he's playing a huge role in Reign of Kings at the moment.

He had one HUGE moment to shine. But I don't see him as the big game changer or play maker in anything since then (which is kind of a shame, cause I do think he should have been pushed a bit harder after the first Annihilation).

[Expletive Deleted]

I don't think he played a huge role in COnquest or War of Kings.War of Kings, no. But in Conquest, he was the one who brought in the cure for the Phalanx's transmode virus.

[XPac]

War of Kings, no. But in Conquest, he was the one who brought in the cure for the Phalanx's transmode virus.

That's true. Yeah, I guess we can give him a lot of cred for that one too.

[theyallfalldown]

Okay so I know there is already a dream team thread but I wanted this to stand by itself.

If say guardians of the galaxy was cancelled or rebranded as cosmic avangers, would you buy it?

With the success of everything avangers lately would you get behind the concept?

And lastly who would you put on your team, they can be as big or as small as you want members wise, but it would be better if people picked characters who would work in this setting, i.e. Not just spidey and wolverine for the hundredth time.

[DetectiveDupin]

If there were a cosmic Avengers and there's a street Avengers, what good are the normal Avengers?

[XPac]

I'd buy it.

I like cosmic books, and I like the Avengers. Win win in my book. And for what it's worth, I think it might help in sales.

As far as members... if they're going to be Cosmic Avengers, then they actually have to have some Avengers on it.

Hank Pym
Jocasta
Quasar
Beta Ray Bill
Mantis
Moon Dragon
Drax

[marvell2100]

Cosmic Avengers team:

Monica Rambeau
Nova
Rocket Racoon
Songbird
Quasar
Ms Marvel
Drax

[Sunspot9224]

Avengers of the Galaxy?

Nova
Quasar
Photon (Monica Rambeau)
Silver Surfer
Beta Ray Bill

[Doc Goblin]

Well, if it was going to become Cosmic Avengers, I'd want it to be a strong mix of Avengers and the cosmic heroes we've come to know and love.+

Nova - He would absolutely have to be the leader of this team. Marvel had him step up as its foremost cosmic hero, and they need to stick with that.
Ms. Marvel
Drax
Jocasta
Gauntlet
Phyla-Vell
Rocket Raccoon

I think there would potentially be a lot of fun to this team dynamic. You'd have these Avengers mixing up with the cosmic heroes, and just imagine their reactions to these people. They would still be most familiar with Nova as that punk kid from New Warriors. Sure, they'll give him the benefit of the doubt leading this team, but Ms. Marvel would really be there to take over leadership in case he doesn't cut it. Plus you'd have Carol interacting with Mar-Vell's crazy ass daughter. Drax would come off more monstrous than heroic to them, and... Rocket Raccoon. Just seeing Gauntlet and Rocket interact on a regular basis could be hilarious.

[Expletive Deleted]

I think my support is more or less a given.

That said, I'm envisioning it as more of a complement to the Guardians of the Galaxy than a replacement. Space is big enough for two teams, as long as they have different priorities (the market probably isn't big enough for two teams, but that's a separate issue). I'm seeing the Guardians as a group that handles wars and intergalactic politics where Cosmic Avengers would be more inclined to take on cosmic monsters and existential threats. If the Skrulls are invading, you call the Guardians. If Tyrant is coming, you call the Avengers.

As far as my team goes . . .

Nova is a given, and would tie this line-up firmly into the cosmic landscape of the last few years. I'd bring Mantis along for the ride, too, for similar reasons. Quasar and Ms. Marvel are also easy picks, as Avengers with cosmic credibility. And I agree with everyone else here that Photon (Monica) makes a ton of sense.

To round out the line-up, I'd add two more characters: Living Lightning and Phastos of the Eternals. Living Lightning because the team needs a viewpoint character, and while he's not really a rookie anymore, he's the next best thing. Phastos because the team needs a mad science guy and because I wanted to bring in an Eternal.

I briefly considered Gravity for the Living Lightning spot, but I decided I like him better on Earth.

[Silvermoth]

I'ld say

* Nova
* Stardust (I just think she's really interesting, she could be the "Thor" of the team)
* Medusa
* Ch'od
* Abigail Brand
* Sydren

It would be a great book for Warren Ellis and Bryan Hitch

[daveageallen]

Hank Pym
jocasta
nova
hercules/cho
monica rambeu
agents of g.r.a.m.pa.

[laventer hulk]

this is the cosmic team i selected in another avengers team thread


Cosmic Avengers ( universes best line of defense vs cosmic problems ex. annihilation wave, thanos etc)

War Machines - Leader
Havoc - Second command/ co leader
Polaris
Beta Ray Bill
Silver Surfer
Nova
Quasar
Death lock
Fire Star
Super Skrull
Skaar

[UKFan]

My team!

Ms. Marvel
Nova
Beta Ray Bill
Non-Varr
Thor Girl

[Zomling]

I'm gonna say No

First you already had that weird cosmic mix in a team called Defenders, Nova, Super-Skrull, Moondragon, Gamora, Beta-Ray Bill, Rocket Racoon they could easily be part of a team called Defenders, the Defenders is a team they can all join if they were not deep in an ongoing Guardians of the Galaxy story.
You also have the Guardains of the Galaxy team! Great Comic check it out!
Plus the Nova comic and the Nova Corp back in action

Marvel's cosmic titles are doing fine now, don't over saturate it. Let these great stories develop

There have been too many Avengers comics these past years, almost all need to be cut and I'm delighted its going back to its classic roots.
Avengers is an Earth based squad,
not a bunch of Space based people like the Lantern Corp or the Guardians of the Galaxy

That's why I vote NO

I voted maybe, but otherwise agree with you completely. I would read another cosmic title but only if it's not at the expense of GoTG which is brilliant and is really already the Cosmic Avengers. Vance Astro in the original GoTG was always interested in continuing the legacy of the Avengers and Captain America in particular.

[theyallfalldown]

well with the seeming quiet cancellation of guardians of the galaxy-im really not sure if it is coming back, any news on this? and with the avengers moving into the heroic age, and seemingly set to rule the charts, i thought about the cosmic avengers again, what does everyone think? would the team ever be feaseable?

would you rather have a guardians of the galaxy type squad? numerous members akin to legion of super heroes?

or would you rather something that follows the avengers formula?

i like that guardians had a good mix of avengers universe characters, and others, i would like this trend to continue, with a large team, but perhaps some other members joining?

Current Members
Bug
Drax the Destroyer
Groot
Rocket Raccoon
Star-Lord
Jack Flag
Moondragon
Gamora
Mantis
Major Victory


Add to that
Crystal
Monica Rambeau
Machine Man-hey why not?
Living Lightning
Quasar

possibly some otherss, slap on the name cosmic avengers and we are a go!