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Kevinroc

09-21-2007, 12:40 AM

A thread on the Bendis board (which links to a thread on Cho's forum) reveals that Frank Cho will be off of Mighty Avengers after #6. He will be drawing the first Mighty Avengers Annual.

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showthread.php?t=127483

Marvel's Jim McCann reveals that Mighty will eventually be shipped a little faster to catch up for Secret Invasion.

Sean Whitmore

09-21-2007, 02:03 AM

Kevinroc

09-21-2007, 02:15 AM

I'd be happy if they just caught up to New Avengers.

SEAN

Considering how closely those titles are linked together (especially with Secret Invasion on the horizon) I think that kinda went without saying.

Of course this'll be after MA #6 comes out...

Crimson

09-21-2007, 02:21 AM

I can't understand where the delays came from... I remember when Civil War was delayed Frank and Bendis were going "For us it's great, we get more and more issues in the can". He even has Bagely filling in.

My point? Why did Marvel put someone who apparently can't do anything anywhere near a monthly schedule on a monthly book that is vital the upcoming year of stories?

I love Frank but if he can't do something like that keep him on minis and special issues in ongoings.

StoneGold

09-21-2007, 02:25 AM

Why did Marvel put someone who apparently can't do anything anywhere near a monthly schedule on a monthly book that is vital the upcoming year of stories?

A picture is worth a thousand words...

http://finale.ocracy.org/files/autografo_frank_cho.png

Clea

09-21-2007, 06:13 AM

Crimson

09-21-2007, 07:19 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words...

http://finale.ocracy.org/files/autografo_frank_cho.png

I need to get me to a con!

XPac

09-21-2007, 07:57 AM

This is disappointing... but it's also predictable and for the best.

I enjoyed his art in MA and would have loved for him to be a regular artist. But if he can't handle the grind, it's just not gonna work. MA and NA are books that are suppossed to be tied in together to some degree. Storywise it's just not going to have the same effect if MA are months behind.

As others have said, I hope Bagely takes the book. His art style would work well here.

Kefky

09-21-2007, 09:26 AM

Goddammit.

Magneto Rocks

09-21-2007, 09:51 AM

Fatguy

09-21-2007, 09:51 AM

This is disappointing... but it's also predictable and for the best.

I enjoyed his art in MA and would have loved for him to be a regular artist. But if he can't handle the grind, it's just not gonna work. MA and NA are books that are suppossed to be tied in together to some degree. Storywise it's just not going to have the same effect if MA are months behind.

I agree 110%.

I dont know who I'd want to take over, I would have too see the Bagley issues first, but I do like the guy. They need to see what Ivan Reis is up to, now that they have Mike McKone doing GL (which, I hope is temporary).

CaptainCanada

09-21-2007, 10:15 AM

They need to see what Ivan Reis is up to, now that they have Mike McKone doing GL (which, I hope is temporary).
McKone's a fill-in; for Reis, doing five straight issues is quite a feat (he needed three issues off to manage it).

Rahul

09-21-2007, 10:18 AM

Basically what XPac said. He's good, but I'd rather the book be on time permanently. I could take Civil War and Ultimates delays because they were very limited (in that they weren't ongoings) but this has already killed much of my enthusiasm for the book.
What you and Fatguy said.

Bt they have a great replacement with Bagley...but I do hope JR jr gets a crack at this sometime..

The Lucky One

09-21-2007, 10:36 AM

I don't read MA, but if it means he'll go back to getting issues of Liberty Meadows out the door, I'm all for it. The world needs to know where Frank and Brandy stand!

-D

Elegance Liberty

09-21-2007, 10:43 AM

Basically what XPac said. He's good, but I'd rather the book be on time permanently. I could take Civil War and Ultimates delays because they were very limited (in that they weren't ongoings) but this has already killed much of my enthusiasm for the book.

Agreed. What issue are they up to now, anyways? I lost track, but maybe it'll be easy to catch up in trade.

Cayman

09-21-2007, 10:55 AM

I'd like to see Pascual Ferry on the book next.

Joe Acro

09-21-2007, 10:59 AM

Bt they have a great replacement with Bagley...but I do hope JR jr gets a crack at this sometime..I'm hoping that since they have Bagley, it'll be easier to catch up. He's one of the fastest artists in the business and, if needed, Mighty Avengers could go bi-weekly.

g-dawg

09-21-2007, 11:18 AM

A picture is worth a thousand words...

http://finale.ocracy.org/files/autografo_frank_cho.png

and THAT's the way Frank Cho tells the haters to shut up...like his skills in bed, he likes it slow.

Damn, gotta get me to a convention....coz there's nothing like that where I am.

WHY, PHILIPPINES?! WHYYYY????!!!!

____

Anyway, that's enough of that rant.

I honestly am disappointed at hearing that. Frank is my most favorite artist of all (among other things, cheesecake nonwithstanding) and his work on a mainstream comic book, and an AVENGERS title to boot, was a dream come true. Too bad about that. But then again, if Bagley gives me my fix of babes, bombs, bombastic destruction and booty, and at a non-late sked, no less, then I'm all for it.

But I still hope Frank comes back.

Capt Hunter

09-21-2007, 12:42 PM

rolleyes.... 4 issues and when did this title start........ when is #5 coming...

Black Atom

09-21-2007, 12:56 PM

He was the only reason I was still reading, honestly. His art is good enough that I'd buy almost anything he draws.

streator

09-21-2007, 01:01 PM

cho was a selling point for me on mighty avengers. i've already pre-ordered the beginning of the venom arc but we'll see after that.

firstmode

09-21-2007, 01:16 PM

PLEASE! let the artist be a realistic artist! New Avengers is nice, but I do want Civil War style realism and art on the major marvel universe comic book.

Shyft

09-21-2007, 01:46 PM

PLEASE! let the artist be a realistic artist! New Avengers is nice, but I do want Civil War style realism and art on the major marvel universe comic book.

i dont think they would mess with the style too much. i agree its nice to have the MA/NA contrast artwise.

Cho was good, but i think there are better clean-liners. So id have to say im pleased.

Cayman

09-21-2007, 01:46 PM

Bagley's a short-term fix. His art isn't good enough for one of Marvel's flagship titles.

StoneGold

09-21-2007, 02:21 PM

Bagley's a short-term fix. His art isn't good enough for one of Marvel's flagship titles.

As opposed to other flagships, like Ultimate Spider-Man, and all the Spider-Man merchandise for the last seven years or so? If you have a birthday party, Bagley's Spidey is on your napkins.

rogerio

09-21-2007, 02:47 PM

PLEASE! let the artist be a realistic artist! New Avengers is nice, but I do want Civil War style realism and art on the major marvel universe comic book.

totally agree with you!:)

Atom_basher

09-21-2007, 04:02 PM

I'd actually love to see Paco Medina draw might avengers. I loved how he drew them in issue 2 (or was it 3?) of new warriors

BYC

09-21-2007, 04:37 PM

All these popular artists not getting their books in time is getting highly annoying. It's nothing new I know, but it seems like it's happening far more than before.

Elegance Liberty

09-21-2007, 04:42 PM

PLEASE! let the artist be a realistic artist! New Avengers is nice, but I do want Civil War style realism and art on the major marvel universe comic book.

As long as you want delays to go with that too, be my guest! (Seriously, am I the only one who noticed that most of the delayed books have that realisim-esque art?)

I for one, LOATHE realistic art in comics, but artists like Frank Cho have a certain stylization that I enjoy. Same with Lenil Yu as well.

streator

09-21-2007, 05:57 PM

it would be nice to see the dodson's come on this book, but i think they are dc exclusive at this point.

they (and cho) made a decent artistic team on millar's mk spider-man.

marvelboi77

09-21-2007, 06:45 PM

Thank God looks like I can continue buying after Bagley's run. I have not purchased Mighty Avengers as of yet. I don't buy comics drawn by Cho.

Will.S

09-21-2007, 07:03 PM

I'd like to see Pascual Ferry on the book next.
Seconded.

This is pretty disappointing, I was looking forward to seeing his Dr. Doom and a bunch of other characters. I kept hoping that Frank would just be able to pick up the slack or whatever and I love Frank's art but he is taking too long for the title to maintain regular readers. Like XPac said, the books also have to sync up at some point so having Frank on there full time isn't going to work.

In a perfect world Frank would be able to do the title monthly but unfortunately it wasn't meant to be. It's good that he'll be doing the Annual though so that's not too bad, I just hope they get an artist that can keep the book nice and clean yet keep it on a monthly schedule so Pascual Ferry would definitely do the trick.

Nate Palm

09-21-2007, 07:20 PM

I wish he could stay but I won't be sorry to see him leave. He just can't keep up with the work.

Sean Whitmore

09-21-2007, 07:21 PM

CyberCoyote

09-21-2007, 07:26 PM

I still can't understand why they can't rotate a pair of artists on books like this. People really like the guy's take on the team, coordinate with another penciler, get a good inker who can tie the work together (look at all the years Sinnott kept the FF style the same)

marvelboi77

09-21-2007, 07:47 PM

Due to dislike of the art, or dislike of the artist?

SEAN

His art is not my favorite but I don't think it's horrible. I've met him twice, and a few of my friends have met him. He was not a very nice guy. I've have read several postings on his message board that reafirm by opinion of him. I choose not to spend my $3 on anything that he draws. I really love Bendis, so it has been hard not to buy Mighty Avengers.

DEMO

09-21-2007, 07:57 PM

As long as Angel Medina doesn't take over for Cho, I'll be happy.

Trey

09-21-2007, 09:26 PM

Why not Divito? Amazing artist, esp action scenes. Read Annihilation, WWH: X-men, Thor: Ragnarok. What more does he have to do to prove himself?

Omega Alpha

09-21-2007, 09:36 PM

Why not Divito? Amazing artist, esp action scenes. Read Annihilation, WWH: X-men, Thor: Ragnarok. What more does he have to do to prove himself?

Nothing, but why wouldn't Bendis choose the one who is arguably the fastest artist in Marvel, who also happened to break Stan and Jack's recond on being on the same book the longest in USM?

Frank Cho

09-22-2007, 08:44 AM

XPac

09-22-2007, 08:50 AM

Thanks everyone for the kind words.

I'm not completely off Mighty Avengers. Brian, editors and I are figuring out which Mighty Avengers story that isn't time sensitive for me to do at this point.

Here's a sneak peek of Mighty Avengers #5.
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/MIGHTAVN005002_3c6b.jpg

Wow... that looks really cool. Thanks.

Hmmm... never realized it until now, but looking at Ares costume in those pics, I gotta say I'm not a big fan of it.

Frank Cho

09-22-2007, 09:18 AM

Thank God looks like I can continue buying after Bagley's run. I have not purchased Mighty Avengers as of yet. I don't buy comics drawn by Cho.

Due to dislike of the art, or dislike of the artist?

SEAN

Micheal Hosey's, aka Marvelboi77, hostility toward me is a simple one. Marvelboi77 is a hardcore Spider-woman art collector.

http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryDetail.asp?GCat=1702

He wrote me many flattering emails about my art and comic books that I produced in the past, especially my Spider-Woman art in Avengers.

He has repeatedly try to buy and commission Spider-Woman original art, which I have politely turned down, and over time just ignored.

For my refusal, he has now decided to take potshots and leave negative comments about me and my work on various messageboards.

It's sad but things like this happen in this business all the time.

Rahul

09-22-2007, 09:28 AM

Great page. Kinda hilarious to see Ares riding Iron Man(Get your dirty mind off the gutter).

It will be bad to miss your art, but atleast you're there for the annual...

crimson red

09-22-2007, 10:40 AM

It's sad but things like this happen in this business all the time.

You can't please everyone.

Before you start a flamefest, I think you should delete all the personal information you have posted about Marvelboi. Grow up will ya?

Cayman

09-22-2007, 11:15 AM

As opposed to other flagships, like Ultimate Spider-Man, and all the Spider-Man merchandise for the last seven years or so? If you have a birthday party, Bagley's Spidey is on your napkins.

He works on Spider-Man because Spider-Man doesn't have a visible face.

edhopper

09-22-2007, 11:22 AM

You can't please everyone.

Before you start a flamefest, I think you should delete all the personal information you have posted about Marvelboi. Grow up will ya?

Why? Marvelboi made some very personal, derogatory statements about Cho. I think Frank had every right to defend himself and set the record straight as to why these negative comments were made. And by telling us who Marvelboi is, it can be confirmed.

I do not know FC, nor have I ever met him. I am simply a fan of his art.

I have only read MA for Cho's art. I have found Bendis' writing horrid (enough senseless thought balloons Brian?).
So I'll drop it with Frank's departure.

sabongero

09-22-2007, 11:40 AM

I am not familiar with Frank Cho. But man I am not familiar with a lot of artist these days coz I've been out of touch with comics for a very long time. But his work on Mighty Avengers so far is very solid man. His art is the primary reason I enjoy that series. His drawings enhances Bendis's story. It's clear and man can he draw women or what. Hey Frank you must go to a lot of beerhouses to enjoy the beer right ? Haha. Keep up the good work man.

marvelboi77

09-22-2007, 11:46 AM

Yes it is true I have contacted Cho and asked to buy some of his art. As you will see in my previous post, I said his art work is not horrible. But I had emailed Cho well before I met him. Once I met him I would never dream of buying something from him, not a nice guy. I am a gay male, and Frank Cho is very homophobic in the remarks he makes on his message board, as well as admitting it himself on his message board. I would never vote Republican and I would never buy anything from a self proffessed homophobe.

To that I add Wonder Con either last year or the year before I can't remember my friend went, she got a few things signed on Saturday. There was a sign posted by Cho saying no sketches. There was a guy infront of her saying that. " Hey I asked you yesterday for a sketch, and you said I could get it today." Cho replied read the sign. He said yeah but you said I could get it today. To which Cho just looks at him.

So when somone is not a nice person, regardless that I like Spider-Woman which I have never hid on these boards, and you can go to draw me an Avenger Spider-Woan thread and see how many links I posted to my art.

So while Cho may think it's because I don't have any of his Spider-Woman art it's not. Leialoha has a treasure trove of Spider-Woman art that he is holding on to. Everytime I see him he's a great guy, and I get a sketch from him. I am not mad at him because he is holding onto his art.

I simply do not do business or support people I think are against me or my fellow gays in life.

Oh and by the way Frank I have never tried to commission anything from you. I've only contacted you twice, once to congratulate you on the New Avengers #14 double page spread, and once to ask to buy some of the art. That's two PM's sent through here, I still have them if you would like me to post your replies.

So Frank why don't you come on here and defend your homophobic remarks.

Hiffic

09-22-2007, 12:17 PM

You can't please everyone.

Before you start a flamefest, I think you should delete all the personal information you have posted about Marvelboi. Grow up will ya?

Sorry to butt in, but all the information posted about Marvelboi77 is open to the public. For one his "personal info" is basically just his name, a statement that he loves spiderwoman, and pics proving that he does. Secondly, as someone already pointed out, the Frank is just showing us the reasons for Marvelguy's animosity. Hope that didn't fan up any flames.

BYC

09-22-2007, 01:45 PM

This is gonna quickly get out of control. I realize Frank is probably annoyed and wants to defend or lash out, but no good can come out of this.

EnDwiGast

09-22-2007, 02:28 PM

Sorry to see Frank Cho go. Though from the sound of it, he will be back.

After reading this thread, I like him even more. :D

JimTrabold

09-22-2007, 02:34 PM

All these popular artists not getting their books in time is getting highly annoying. It's nothing new I know, but it seems like it's happening far more than before.

Probably has something to do with the fact that the EIC of marvel comics is notorious for missing deadlines as an artist. I mean, the guy couldn't even put out 3 consecutive issues of Ninjak. NINJAK! Daredevil The Father's publishing schedule was what? Bi-Annually?

How can that person tell any of the artist's he has working for him that they're too late on books?

JimTrabold

09-22-2007, 02:40 PM

Why? Marvelboi made some very personal, derogatory statements about Cho.

What's personal and derogatory about saying "he's not a very nice guy" ?

Sounds a bit over-sensitive to classify that as personal and derogatory to me. I was at the gas station the other day and I saw a guy walk out of the mini-mart part, and he wasn't a very nice guy either. Am I being derogatory for typing that anecdote?

JimTrabold

09-22-2007, 02:42 PM

He works on Spider-Man because Spider-Man doesn't have a visible face.

Mary Jane, Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Gwen Stacy, Norman Osborne, Doc Ock, Peter Parker himself ... they all have rather visible faces.

:evilsmile

Cayman

09-22-2007, 03:45 PM

Mary Jane, Uncle Ben, Aunt May, Gwen Stacy, Norman Osborne, Doc Ock, Peter Parker himself ... they all have rather visible faces.

:evilsmile

They don't show up on the birthday napkins.

edhopper

09-22-2007, 03:46 PM

What's personal and derogatory about saying "he's not a very nice guy" ?

Sounds a bit over-sensitive to classify that as personal and derogatory to me. I was at the gas station the other day and I saw a guy walk out of the mini-mart part, and he wasn't a very nice guy either. Am I being derogatory for typing that anecdote?

In rereading my comment, perhaps I should have just said "negative comments", as "personal and derogatory" does seem excessive.
I still think Cho was justified in responding.

Will.S

09-22-2007, 05:40 PM

I still think Cho was justified in responding.
I agree.

Yes it is true I have contacted Cho and asked to buy some of his art. As you will see in my previous post, I said his art work is not horrible. But I had emailed Cho well before I met him. Once I met him I would never dream of buying something from him, not a nice guy. I am a gay male, and Frank Cho is very homophobic in the remarks he makes on his message board, as well as admitting it himself on his message board. I would never vote Republican and I would never buy anything from a self proffessed homophobe......

....So Frank why don't you come on here and defend your homophobic remarks.
Please take this elsewhere.

We heard your side, then Frank's side so lets just leave it at that.

Tater

09-22-2007, 05:55 PM

Might Avengers was the first Cho work I've seen. At least, I believe it is the first. For the most part, I've enjoyed it. Only complaint is his Black Widow. Black Widow seems too like strict and proper or something. Though Bendis is at fault with this too. I actually picked up Jungle girl because I saw his name on it. I never saw any Frank Cho homophobic comments, but I don't really look into artists much. If that is true, it does make him kinda of an *******. I find it kinda ironic that a gay man would love spider-woman. Since her power is basically to attrach straight men. To each his own though. Anyways hopefully mightly avengers gets a great new artist.

killerbass

09-22-2007, 06:01 PM

I was at the OrlandoCon today, and Jim Cheung said he was going to be doing, "a couple of issues of Mighty Avengers."

That would be OK in my book.

--Tom

Will.S

09-22-2007, 06:04 PM

Here's a sneak peek of Mighty Avengers #5.
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/MIGHTAVN005002_3c6b.jpg
That's pretty damn detailed.

I'm amazed as to how well referenced they look, we've got from left to right:

1) The Mike Grell Knight looking Iron Man armor

2) First appearance armor

3) Classic armor without iron rivets

4) 90's Crossing armor

5) Golden armor

6) Classic armor with rivets on faceplate

7) Classic armor with upper "V" faceplate

8) Heroes Reborn armor

9) Frank Cho redesign of current armor

10) Modern Armor before the Extremis one

11) Silver Centurion armor

12) John Romita Jr. style Oversized armor

Good stuff.

XPac

09-22-2007, 06:11 PM

That's pretty damn detailed.

I'm amazed as to how well referenced they look, we've got from left to right:

1) The Mike Grell Knight looking Iron Man armor

2) First appearance armor

3) Classic armor without iron rivets

4) 90's Crossing armor

5) Golden armor

6) Classic armor with rivets on faceplate

7) Classic armor with upper "V" faceplate

8) Heroes Reborn armor

9) Frank Cho redesign of current armor

10) Modern Armor before the Extremis one

11) Silver Centurion armor

12) John Romita Jr. style Oversized armor

Good stuff.

Yeah... I can almost understand why it took him so long. That's a lot of Iron Man to research and get on paper.

Omega Alpha

09-22-2007, 08:12 PM

Thanks everyone for the kind words.

I'm not completely off Mighty Avengers. Brian, editors and I are figuring out which Mighty Avengers story that isn't time sensitive for me to do at this point.

Here's a sneak peek of Mighty Avengers #5.
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/MIGHTAVN005002_3c6b.jpg

That's pretty good.

And i don't know Cho, but i like his art, and he could be a Nazi for all i care; as long as he continues to produce good art, i wouldn't stop reading books in which this art is featured.

Dr. Chaos

09-22-2007, 09:05 PM

I swear Ms. Marvel's rear is getting bigger every month.

She needs to put the Bejeweled down and pick up the bowflex.

Love your Ares by the way, Frank.

disco stu

09-22-2007, 09:35 PM

Yeah that is some very nice art must be said, love the cover as well.

DaeJi

09-23-2007, 12:59 AM

I like Frank Cho's work, and for all he knows he's my favorite artist. BUT... he's slow. He does great stuff, but the quality is matched by the time investment. And depending on the book, his speed doesn't really matter to me. But Mighty Avengers seemed to me to be designed to be a fast paced action book, and with Secret Invasion coming up MA is probably going to become a very important book for Marvel. So, while I love his work, for the time being I would prefer a faster artist.

I swear Ms. Marvel's rear is getting bigger every month.

I fail to see a problem.

Dr. Chaos

09-23-2007, 01:10 AM

Ah, you like that, do you Daeji?

No problem, I can respect that. ;)

Camron Amaya

09-23-2007, 03:12 AM

I fail to see a problem.

Word. Who doesn't like big soft butts? It's not fat, it's thick, there's a difference. It's what a healthy woman should look like imo, not a skeleton.

Anyway yesssirr, Cho's art is nice, real nice. Clean and precise.

Billy Parker

09-23-2007, 04:14 AM

I'd actually love to see Paco Medina draw might avengers. I loved how he drew them in issue 2 (or was it 3?) of new warriors

MEDINA!!! Right on!!!!! His New Warriors looks brilliant!!

He should draw Spider-Man!!!!

bdk91939

09-23-2007, 02:30 PM

I swear Ms. Marvel's rear is getting bigger every month.

i haven't notice Dr Chaos. let me take my compass and measure. lol. i see you're very observant of this. by curiosity, how did you deduce that ms marvel's rump started getting bigger and bigger every issue ?

DubipR

09-23-2007, 02:45 PM

While his artwork will be missed, it wasn't the proper artwork for that book in my opinion. Mighty Avengers needed to be a bit rougher around the edges, much in the vein of New Avengers and Yu is pulling off. While its eye pleasing to look at, the lateness of book made me drop it after issue 3.

The man's better suited for minis and one-shots. Let him draw his heart's content on things he likes such as dinosaurs, big tits and the female form. While he's already done Shanna, Cho would probably knock 'em dead with a relaunch of Ka-Zar or continue with the boobtastic tales of this version of Shanna.

As for a new replacement, StoneGold's prior thread for the artist that needs to be on this title is ready for it...Patrick Zircher. The man's a great detailed artist and continues to amaze me with every project. Look at his recent TERROR INC mini he's working on.
If not Zircher, I gotta go with Alex Maleev.

CaptainCanada

09-23-2007, 02:53 PM

While his artwork will be missed, it wasn't the proper artwork for that book in my opinion. Mighty Avengers needed to be a bit rougher around the edges, much in the vein of New Avengers and Yu is pulling off.
...
If not Zircher, I gotta go with Alex Maleev.
Why would a light, action-y book need a a rougher artist? Someone like Yu would be a terrible fit.

And Maleev, whatever his strengths, action isn't one of them; I can't see him doing something like The Avengers. His art is best suited for moody character drama where little movement is required.

DubipR

09-23-2007, 02:59 PM

Why would a light, action-y book need a a rougher artist? Someone like Yu would be a terrible fit.

Considering the climate of what's happening in the Marvel U, why not a little dark in both Avengers books? Just feels right to me.

And Maleev, whatever his strengths, action isn't one of them; I can't see him doing something like The Avengers. His art is best suited for moody character drama where little movement is required.

Did you look at his Daredevil run? Some nice action there. And he works with Bendis well.

EnDwiGast

09-23-2007, 03:00 PM

Why would a light, action-y book need a a rougher artist? Someone like Yu would be a terrible fit.

And Maleev, whatever his strengths, action isn't one of them; I can't see him doing something like The Avengers. His art is best suited for moody character drama where little movement is required.

Sounds ideal for New Avengers.

I thought the benefit of having two teams was for us to have two styles, not for MA to be a clone of NA w/ another roster.

Dr. Chaos

09-23-2007, 03:06 PM

i haven't notice Dr Chaos. let me take my compass and measure. lol. i see you're very observant of this. by curiosity, how did you deduce that ms marvel's rump started getting bigger and bigger every issue ?
I have a sixth sense about these things and I'll have you know I've gotten many offers from The initiative.

This is a dangerous knowledge that no man should possess...believe me.
Word. Who doesn't like big soft butts? It's not fat, it's thick, there's a difference. It's what a healthy woman should look like imo, not a skeleton.
*sigh*

I knew someone was going to start this even though they knew I was joking around...theres one on every forum.

Difference being, these are comic book superheroes.

I don't hold them to the same standard I would you know, an actual human being like my girlfriend.

Call me crazy but like most men that have drawn Ms. Marvel, I'm sure Frank isn't out to spread the message of "big healthy women".

(no offense, Frank)

Will.S

09-23-2007, 03:07 PM

Sounds ideal for New Avengers.

I thought the benefit of having two teams was for us to have two styles, not for MA to be a clone of NA w/ another roster.
Yeah, I agree.

Someone like Mark Bagley, Pascual Ferry, or Ed McGuiness would be perfect since they don't get gritty and have pretty clean line work. Ed in particular would a great replacement given his depiction of the Mighty Avengers in Fallen Son.

Camron Amaya

09-23-2007, 03:27 PM

I have a sixth sense about these things and I'll have you know I've gotten many offers from The initiative.

This is a dangerous knowledge that no man should possess...believe me.

*sigh*

I knew someone was going to start this even though they knew I was joking around...theres one on every forum.

Difference being, these are comic book superheroes.

I don't hold them to the same standard I would you know, an actual human being like my girlfriend.

Call me crazy but like most men that have drawn Ms. Marvel, I'm sure Frank isn't out to spread the message of "big healthy women".

(no offense, Frank)

So.....she shouldn't look healthy and attractive?

:confused:

What's the defnition of healthy to you? A female superhero shouldn't look fit, strong and healthy? That's exactly what she looks like. Frank Cho's job is to draw strong pretty women and muscular guys doing superhero things, and that's what he does.

CaptainCanada

09-23-2007, 03:29 PM

Considering the climate of what's happening in the Marvel U, why not a little dark in both Avengers books? Just feels right to me.

Because MA was explicitly created as something lighter, fighting big monsters and other comic book stuff. The whole tone of the book is like that.

I really like McGuiness's work in Fallen Son; I usually don't like his art, but it worked in that case (seemed to have a bit more detail than usual).

streator

09-23-2007, 03:35 PM

Thanks everyone for the kind words.

I'm not completely off Mighty Avengers. Brian, editors and I are figuring out which Mighty Avengers story that isn't time sensitive for me to do at this point.

Here's a sneak peek of Mighty Avengers #5.
http://content.imagesocket.com/images/MIGHTAVN005002_3c6b.jpg

good to hear that you'll be doing some mighty avengers work again in the future. also, cool page from the next issue.

Dr. Chaos

09-23-2007, 03:38 PM

Camron Amaya

09-23-2007, 03:40 PM

double post

Camron Amaya

09-23-2007, 03:40 PM

Oh for god's sake...are you kidding me? Do you really want to start this pointless crap with me?

I point out Marvel's butt looks bigger in one of the panels as a joke and all of a sudden this whole image debate breaks out.

Honestly, you take thing way too seriously, Camron.

Lmao don't blame me I'm just responding to what you said. If you're sitting there laughing the whole time, sorry kind of hard to see that through your text on a forum. My sarcasm detector must be broke.

Difference being, these are comic book superheroes.

I don't hold them to the same standard I would you know, an actual human being like my girlfriend.

Call me crazy but like most men that have drawn Ms. Marvel, I'm sure Frank isn't out to spread the message of "big healthy women".

(no offense, Frank)

All I did was reply to that, which I thought was kind of dumb.

And if you knew it was gonna happen like on every board........why do it?

Dr. Chaos

09-23-2007, 03:44 PM

All I did was reply to that, which I thought was kind of dumb.
What? The fact that I made a comment that I don't hold real women up to the same unrealisticness of cartoon characters?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that realizes this but since pretty much the beginning of time, Superheroes have looked far more sculpted/conditioned/ridiculous than most of us ever could. I never said you had to look like that to be good looking, just that when one of the Übermensch start to slip ever so slightly off their golden pedestal, yeah, I might ocassionaly make a joke about it.

And if you knew it was gonna happen like on every board........why do it?
Because like alot of places, some people here actually have a sense of humor and I'm willing to deal with the people who are going to see something that isn't realy there.

You know, the more I think about it, I don't think male superheroes should be drawn at peak physical condition.

Frank, could you draw an entire issue of New Avengers just once with Clint walking around with a beer gut hanging out?

I'm begging you.

Camron Amaya

09-23-2007, 04:28 PM

What? The fact that I made a comment that I don't hold real women up to the same unrealisticness of cartoon characters?

I'm sure I'm not the only one that realizes this but since pretty much the beginning of time, Superheroes have looked far more sculpted/conditioned/ridiculous than most of us ever could. I never said you had to look like that to be good looking, just that when one of the Übermensch start to slip ever so slightly off their golden pedestal, yeah, I might ocassionaly make a joke about it.

Because like alot of places, some people here actually have a sense of humor and I'm willing to deal with the people who are going to see something that isn't realy there.

You know, the more I think about it, I don't think male superheroes should be drawn at peak physical condition.

Frank, could you draw an entire issue of New Avengers just once with Clint walking around with a beer gut hanging out?

I'm begging you.

LOL fair enough. I was just saying that she looks good and I don't see the problem.

Dr. Chaos

09-23-2007, 04:36 PM

Alright, and I apologize if I sounded pissed.

I was just a lil annoyed by that because I do have a brother that is pretty much a superficial douchebag and I've never seen myself like that or around any of the women I've dated (they were not super models by society's standards).

Shyft

09-23-2007, 06:12 PM

i think the T&A on Mighty Avengers is a bit much. As ive said before, if i wanted to stare at womens body's, a super hero comic book ISNT the first place i would think of .

Babylon23

09-23-2007, 08:29 PM

While I like Cho's artwork for the most part, I'm not a fan of cheesecake, and have found that this element of his work detracted from my enjoyment of MA at times. As such, his departure doesn't really bother me much. I wish him luck with his future endevours.

I'd love to see Bagley take over. Not only is he reliable, but he's well suited to drawing team books.

Miss Kitty Fantastico

09-24-2007, 03:59 AM

Ah drat - I've found Cho to be just perfect for Mighty Avengers so far. His art and Bendis's writing have been working together beautifully. Of course we knew from the start that he'd alternate with other artists to give him time, but it's a shame to hear he won't be on as many issues as we'd thought. Still, it's good to know he'll still be on the book at times.

Heigh ho, life goes on. Bagley's good - not as good a match as Cho, but good in his own right. I liked too, from the previews available, the sense that he was following the visual ideas and techniques Cho had used on Mighty's opening issues. Regular artist or no, I'd like to see Mighty retain the visual style it has now, as each artist interprets it for their own work. Hopefully, like Bagley, Marvel will be looking to artists who work along the same lines as Cho.

jamiejame911

09-24-2007, 10:14 PM

That page looks amazing! How long did it take just to complete that page if I may ask Frank?

Bagley on the book won't hold my intrest. His faces are just horrible imo and Franks use of facial expressions paried with Bendis writing for it, has really brought alot of comedy to the book. Maybe if Bagley can spend a lil more time on his stuff. Am I the only one that liked his early 90's stuff better than his USM run.

Bring Pasqual on the book! He's not popular enough, yet, but that'd be sooo amazing. Alan Davis would be wonderful, as he's perfect for this style of book.

JimTrabold

09-25-2007, 12:04 AM

The most depressing thing about this announcement is that the wrong creator is leaving. Frank Cho should stick around and continue to make wonderful looking comics. And the writer should scale back, leave MA, and maybe refocus on a few less titles so less errors make it into publication.

BYC

09-25-2007, 12:35 AM

Ideally speaking, one female member per team drawn as a super-hottie is probably enough. Otherwise it's overkill, and it tends to draw too much attention to the T&A, as well as making every female oversexed. Sure, they should look good since it's a visual medium that involves lots of fantasy and disbelief, but there's really no reason to make EVERY woman insanely hot.

It's kinda my issue with Benes and other popular artists who really go heavy on the T&A.

DaeJi

09-25-2007, 12:45 AM