Captain America #30 *Spoilers*

[CMBMOOL]

Well it seems that my little MC-2 theory for the 616 universe maybe coming into light, becasue according to Captain America #30 of the current series it turns out that: Sharon is Pregnant with Steve's child, but the gender of the baby is currently unkown.

So what do you all say to that ? :p

[Jmacq1]

I say I've theorized that Sharon might be pregnant well before her vomiting in issue #29. But I don't think MC-2 is coming to pass anytime soon.

It does however, give me more of a feeling that Steve's going to be gone for a long, long time (in comics terms anyway). And that someone (most likely Bucky/Winter Soldier) is going to end up taking up the mantle before that happens.

Unless of course the child isn't carried to term.

Other news:

Looks like those theorizing that Bucky vs. Iron Man is a set-up by the Red Skull were likely dead-on.

[Kefky]

Don't know about anybody else, but I almost smacked myself after the Skull used his Bucky-stopping method. Can't believe I didn't of think that!

[Jmacq1]

Don't know about anybody else, but I almost smacked myself after the Skull used his Bucky-stopping method. Can't believe I didn't of think that!

I figured it'd have to be something like that, since the Red Skull was clearly still around in later issues. ;)

EDIT: I just had a very nasty thought.....

Assuming the child is in fact Steve's (with Faustus so involved it's entirely possible that it's not), what could be more evil (and destroy Cap's legacy more) than the Red Skull possessing the body of Steve's child? That might very well explain why he's keeping Faustus and Arnim Zola around. And the Doom-tech might be to allow the Skull to "retrieve" the fully grown son and bring him back to the present for just that purpose.

Which could also very well result in a successor for Captain America if the Red Skull's plot is foiled. Though "bringing the kid from the future" never tends to work well in the long run.

Then again, people thought bringing Bucky back would never work, either, so who knows? If anyone can make the seemingly-intolerable incredible, I'd put my faith in Mr. Brubaker.

[CaptainCanada]

Wow. He went there.

But then, "Wow. He went there." is pretty much Ed Brubaker's run on this title summed up. Well, "He went there, awesomely."

Truthfully, I'd thought the last few issues were a bit slow, but this felt like a big reveal on every page. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Brubaker's handling of Iron Man in this title puts just about everyone else at Marvel to shame; this, really, is the perfect post-CW Tony. Also, on page 20, bottom left panel, did anyone else think "This looks like a job for Iron Man!"

[Brian M.]

Wow. He went there.

But then, "Wow. He went there." is pretty much Ed Brubaker's run on this title summed up. Well, "He went there, awesomely."

Truthfully, I'd thought the last few issues were a bit slow, but this felt like a big reveal on every page. I can't wait to see what happens next.

Brubaker's handling of Iron Man in this title puts just about everyone else at Marvel to shame; this, really, is the perfect post-CW Tony. Also, on page 20, bottom left panel, did anyone else think "This looks like a job for Iron Man!"

I agree. I wasn't too keen on the last couple of issues, but man this one has me geared for what's next. I was gonna drop this title, but not anymore.

[Schmakt]

I agree. I wasn't too keen on the last couple of issues, but man this one has me geared for what's next. I was gonna drop this title, but not anymore.

I am so stoked to read these reviews... I usually skip spoilers until I've read the issue, but I've become so bored with Cap lately that I decided I'd just read this thread regardless. I was getting close to wanting to drop it as well, and so I'm really really glad things are starting to happen again.

Thanks for the spoilers/reviews. :)

[Kefky]

I have to admit that my initial reaction towards Sharon's pregnancy is a bit negative. Comic marriages always seem like more of a hassle then they're worth to me, and babies are even worse. It COULD be a fake-out of course, and I'm one of those people who think bringing Cap back by issue 50 is definitely in Bru's plans. But right now, the thought of Steve Rogers with a kid doesn't make me particularly excited.

But I COULD be overreacting, of course. ;)

[Kefky]

I agree. I wasn't too keen on the last couple of issues, but man this one has me geared for what's next. I was gonna drop this title, but not anymore.

I am so stoked to read these reviews... I usually skip spoilers until I've read the issue, but I've become so bored with Cap lately that I decided I'd just read this thread regardless. I was getting close to wanting to drop it as well, and so I'm really really glad things are starting to happen again.

Thanks for the spoilers/reviews. :)

BLASPHEMERS!!! How dare you doubt the Brubaker?!? You're out of the Cult! :p

[CaptainCanada]

Also, Redwing finally appears! Except he gets gunned down with Sam and Natasha! Damnit, Brubaker, we already lost Hedwig this year, don't hurt Redwing.
But right now, the thought of Steve Rogers with a kid doesn't make me particularly excited.

I think Cap is one of the superheroes who would work best with a family. It's part and parcel of the ideals he's always trying to uphold.

I admit, when the pregnancy reveal came, one of my thoughts was "There are so many ways this could go wrong." But Brubaker brought back Bucky and killed Cap, so he's got my trust.

[rogerio]

I have to admit that my initial reaction towards Sharon's pregnancy is a bit negative. Comic marriages always seem like more of a hassle then they're worth to me, and babies are even worse. It COULD be a fake-out of course, and I'm one of those people who think bringing Cap back by issue 50 is definitely in Bru's plans. But right now, the thought of Steve Rogers with a kid doesn't make me particularly excited.
But I COULD be overreacting, of course. ;)
or maybe that kid will be the next Captain America. just an idea!:)
anyway this image is freaking cool:
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/005977/cat30-2.gif

[sherlockbones]

or maybe that kid will be the next Captain America. just an idea!:)
anyway this image is freaking cool:
http://wizarduniverse.com/_images_/005977/cat30-2.gif


wow, what a stupid codeword. i just hope ws is no discovery/docu channel fan

hope i´ll get it tomorrow, good to hear that the plot is moving ahead

[Brian M.]

One more thing...please tell me Falcon doesn't really use that stupid little "talon grappling" thing on his arm? That is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. I'm sorry. Love the character...but that's dumb.

[Capt Hunter]

Talk about compounded the tragedy. A lot of people suspected that Sharon was pregnant last issue after barfing on the job. With this confirmation, that total sends things down a different road.

Well with Sharon pregnant, it gives Steve Rogers a prefect reason to retire when he returns from the dead. Only in comics folks... only in comics...

Sorry I still refuse to believe that Steve Rogers is dead.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Brubaker proving once again why he's one of the best writers in the industry. Great book.

[Brian M.]

Talk about compounded the tragedy. A lot of people suspected that Sharon was pregnant last issue after barfing on the job. With this confirmation, that total sends things down a different road.

Well with Sharon pregnant, it gives Steve Rogers a prefect reason to retire when he returns from the dead. Only in comics folks... only in comics...

Sorry I still refuse to believe that Steve Rogers is dead.

This is probably crazy...but what if Fury figured out the Skrull stuff, got to Cap, told him. The "murder" turned out to be the perfect cover. Now Steve is working w/ Fury...I haven't quite worked out all the plot details but it wouldn't be a bad way for Cap to return.

[CaptainCanada]

This is probably crazy...but what if Fury figured out the Skrull stuff, got to Cap, told him. The "murder" turned out to be the perfect cover. Now Steve is working w/ Fury...I haven't quite worked out all the plot details but it wouldn't be a bad way for Cap to return.
That ties his return into the Skrull stuff, which has nothing to do with this title. I highly doubt it; Civil War intruded somewhat, but so far everything that has ever driven this series has come from within it.

[CMBMOOL]

I say I've theorized that Sharon might be pregnant well before her vomiting in issue #29. But I don't think MC-2 is coming to pass anytime soon.

It does however, give me more of a feeling that Steve's going to be gone for a long, long time (in comics terms anyway). And that someone (most likely Bucky/Winter Soldier) is going to end up taking up the mantle before that happens.

Unless of course the child isn't carried to term.

Other news:

Looks like those theorizing that Bucky vs. Iron Man is a set-up by the Red Skull were likely dead-on.


Well that stinks that my theory over MC-2 heroine American Dream, may or may not be possible enough to come to life, but I still have hope on it. :(

Also why does the Skrull want Bucky to kill Tony, when it could be on that mad shrink's orders ? :(

[Cthulhudrew]

I think Cap is one of the superheroes who would work best with a family. It's part and parcel of the ideals he's always trying to uphold.

But having a child out of wedlock? How... how... Unamerican!! :p

(Honestly, though, while I could see Cap as a family man, I can't see Cap continuing to be Cap while having a family. I just can't see him being able to justify putting himself in danger the way he does... then again, maybe I can, come to think of it. Sort of like a Firefighter or Cop, I guess. So... never mind. :p)

[CMBMOOL]

I think Cap is one of the superheroes who would work best with a family. It's part and parcel of the ideals he's always trying to uphold.

I admit, when the pregnancy reveal came, one of my thoughts was "There are so many ways this could go wrong." But Brubaker brought back Bucky and killed Cap, so he's got my trust.

I have to say that I can trust Brubaker to makde Cap a family man because even I can almost see it happening. :D

[Kevinroc]

This book is so good that I think they need to go find Steve's corpse and shoot him again to get more attention. :D

[Capt Hunter]

I see Steve and Sharon with baby in tow, riding off into the sunset. Steve Rogers finally getting his American Dream, no pun intended. He'll stay retired until the baby is kidnapped, most likely by the Red Skull, prompting Rogers to come back into action.

OH S%$@.... I just thought of this......What if Rogers baby is the center of the Messiah CompleX....:eek: :eek: :eek:

[CMBMOOL]

I see Steve and Sharon with baby in tow, riding off into the sunset. Steve Rogers finally getting his American Dream, no pun intended. He'll stay retired until the baby is kidnapped, most likely by the Red Skull, prompting Rogers to come back into action.

OH S%$@.... I just thought of this......What if Rogers baby is the center of the Messiah CompleX....:eek: :eek: :eek:

Nah, it couldn't be possible due to the fact that Steve isn't a Mutant.

Nice try though. :o

[Capt Hunter]

Nah, it couldn't be possible due to the fact that Steve isn't a Mutant.

Nice try though. :o

Steve isn't a Mutant... but his child might be... Who says that Steve Rogers kid doesn't have the X Gene... Maybe Sharon is the carrier and with the Super Soldier Serum, activates it.

Example Jean Grey's parents aren't mutants but she is... Scarlet Witch killed the X-Gene but what about the 200+ who have survived... if the small bit of the mutant population can retain their powers... why can't the mundanes... and more to the fact, since Steve was involved in the House of M saga, he could of been shielded from the affects. If memory serves me correctly, Sharon and Steve did the nasty after House of M.... (sorry I am at work and don't have my reference materials.)

And simply Brubaker is involved in the Messiah CompleX..... Marvel is making serious effort with continuity again..... who knows.... time will tell..

[1WEBHEAD]

I'm not going to lie. Ever since Steve died, the book has been moving a bit too slow for my tastes, but I still had faith in Brubaker.

"It's coming. Oh boy, it's coming! Bru's building something HUGE! :D"

Those were the words I said after every issue since #25. And oh boy, did it come. :D

Great issue, with great art, and great pacing and writing.

This issue was the best of the bunch this week, and I got WWH and Ant-man. (which I'm a big fan of. . .)

I didn't see the pregnancy twist coming at all and I loved how Bucky totally owned Cross Bones and Sin like they were street thugs.

Count me in next month!:D

5/5

[Dusty.]

Ughhhh... My comic guy is about to lose my business. How do you forget to order Captain America? Well, he did, I guess, so I have to wait until next week.

From what I read here, Brubaker is making another misstep with Sharon being pregnant. Didn't baby May teach people that we don't need superheroes having babies? That's a mistake.

The minute Bucky puts on Cap's uniform, I drop this book.

[CaptainCanada]

From what I read here, Brubaker is making another misstep with Sharon being pregnant. Didn't baby May teach people that we don't need superheroes having babies? That's a mistake.

Depends on the hero. Mr. and Mrs. Richards do fine (although their kid is trapped in a sort of preteen hell). I don't think having a kid would be a problem with Spider-Man, even, but Marvel does.

And simply Brubaker is involved in the Messiah CompleX..... Marvel is making serious effort with continuity again..... who knows.... time will tell..
We've been told the parents are no one special, and MC starts next month, when Sharon's a long way from delivery.

[Jmacq1]

The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that the child isn't Steve's, but rather the Skull's, artificially implanted/impregnated during one of Faustus' brainwashing sessions. People will think it's Steve's, but the Skull will reveal at a dramatically appropriate moment (ie after the kid is born) that such isn't the case.

1. The baby not being Steve's is less problematic to long-term plots and storytelling. IE it's not necessarily required to become a recurring plot element/supporting character if Steve has no responsibility for it.

2. It explains why Sharon Carter is still alive. My first thought was that the Skull wanted to use Steve's child, but on second thought (literally) the Skull has always wanted a male heir, and what better way to completely and totally destroy (emotionally speaking) one of Cap's closest allies and lover than by not only making her the instrument of his demise, but the mother of his greatest enemy's child? You thought Sharon was suicidal before? :P

3. It also explains Arnim Zola's presence. Not only because it'd be child's play for him to insure that the child was male, but because he very well may have genetic samples from the Red Skull's original body. Making this a true child of Johann Schmidt, rather than a cloned or "borrowed" body.

[Stewy4429]

I JUST finished reading and all I have to say is WOW... and... HOLY ****... and... WOWWW...

I haven't been reading any spoilers or any threads concerning this issue so it all kind of blew me away. The one part I don't get is in the very end. Don't they have some sort of armor for that? I think once it all sinks in I'll have more to say.

Also, Brian, I love your whole Skrull idea :)

[StoneGold]

The more I think about it, the more likely I think it is that the child isn't Steve's, but rather the Skull's, artificially implanted/impregnated during one of Faustus' brainwashing sessions. People will think it's Steve's, but the Skull will reveal at a dramatically appropriate moment (ie after the kid is born) that such isn't the case.

1. The baby not being Steve's is less problematic to long-term plots and storytelling. IE it's not necessarily required to become a recurring plot element/supporting character if Steve has no responsibility for it.

2. It explains why Sharon Carter is still alive. My first thought was that the Skull wanted to use Steve's child, but on second thought (literally) the Skull has always wanted a male heir, and what better way to completely and totally destroy (emotionally speaking) one of Cap's closest allies and lover than by not only making her the instrument of his demise, but the mother of his greatest enemy's child? You thought Sharon was suicidal before? :P

3. It also explains Arnim Zola's presence. Not only because it'd be child's play for him to insure that the child was male, but because he very well may have genetic samples from the Red Skull's original body. Making this a true child of Johann Schmidt, rather than a cloned or "borrowed" body.

That, or Sharon is a Skrull, and the baby is one of those killer egg things that was inside Lyja.



But that seems unlikely.

[ultramandingo]

........ "have you ever fought anyone who knows what they're doing!" i gotta use that next time i get into a fight with a girl

[TotalWorldDomination]

But having a child out of wedlock? How... how... Unamerican!! :p

The minute sharon told him the first words out of his mouth would be "Will you marry me". It's just what he would have done. And it would have been very american, especialy from his time period, to do so. After all the Baby Boom happened the same way... ;)

I love love love love loved this issue. and I'm so happy that Bru, dispite personaly being pretty damn anti-reg, is writing tony stark as a human being, and a smart one at that.

Stupid Nick Fury... if he was'nt diverting all those cameras Tony would have had her gone before Black Widow and Falcon got Zapped... Then again, is'nt that exactly what a Skrull would do... :D

[Kefky]

Man, I wonder how Bucky's gonna feel about being mind-raped again when he wakes up? I don't think he's gonna take it well...

[Kirk G]

I loved this issue.
I didn't see the pregers coming, but it fits.
I also love the theories that you all have posited about the skull and arim zola having a hand in it.
I just don't understand how Dr. Faustus is controlling this programming of Sharon...how does he trigger her? OR did Cap trigger her memory by whispering the code phrase"You take my breath away...?" or is that just how she remembers it going down?

Also, I think if Faustus gets ahold of cap, he's going to discover that cap has been dealing poorly with survivor's guilt ever since Bucky apparently blew up...cause it was really Cap who ORDERED Bucky to stay on the plane, and THAT"s why winter soldier is still so pissed at Steve...cause it cost him an arm. I can't wait for Dr. Faustus to reveal this, cause everyone is going to dispute it, but it'll be the truth...and far more devistating that anything else he had in mind for Cap!

[Liberty Belle Fan]

This is probably crazy...but what if Fury figured out the Skrull stuff, got to Cap, told him. The "murder" turned out to be the perfect cover. Now Steve is working w/ Fury...I haven't quite worked out all the plot details but it wouldn't be a bad way for Cap to return.

I firmly believe that Nick Fury has Cap, or at least Cap's body in stasis. I'm not sure when he'll reappear especially now with the advent of Alex Ross' Avengers/Invaders series which was a past version of Cap's reaction to the current world. Then again, it wouldn't be too bad having 2 Caps if things got a bit hairy.

[Vulgar]

I love the idea that Fury has Cap to help him against the Skrull's. That'd be just great. Everyone's at each others throats not knowing who to trust then Cap comes out to lead them to victory. Also, Fury bringing Cap back might help people forget the muck up that sent him into hiding in the first place.

[Capt Hunter]

kick major a$$... I hope all Avenger related titles are involved... I think Secret Invasion is just the beginning... First comes the Invasion, then comes the WAR.....

and I can't wait for Captain America, Steve Rogers charging into battle to save the world and shouting AVENGERS ASSEMBLE..... (I know its a fantasy... but I am hoping for it to become reality)

[CaptainCanada]

For this highly realism-based series to get involved in "Secret Invasion" would be really, really stupid. I hope Brubaker steers clear of it and tells his own story.

Anyway, Cap won't be back before "Avengers/Invaders" is over, and that's a year-long thing that will last until after SI.

[ultramandingo]

.........yeah keep the dopey skrull thing outa this , batrok the leaper on the other hand....(!)

[Dusty.]

I can't believe I'm actually waiting for a week before I get this. I think apathy is started to set in, because Captain America was a must buy and must read asap on Wednesday for me. As well written and drawn this is, there's only so much I care to read about supporting characters.

I just tell it like it is, and I'd be doing a disservice to Ed Brubaker (if he takes our feedback seriously) if I didn't give my real opinion, or was busy playing "kiss the creator's cyber ass" and was running around declaring that the book is better now than it was with Cap.

Unfortunately, this whole thing is making me dislike Bucky, and I LOVED the Winter Soldier once upon a time.

[Omega Alpha]

Oh man, when you think you Ed can't surprise you anymore, he delivers something like that. One of, if not his best issue so far.

And, yes, the book and the MU are better now without Cap. America.

[CaptainCanada]

.........yeah keep the dopey skrull thing outa this , batrok the leaper on the other hand....(!)
I'd love to see Batroc. Gage handled him so well in Union Jack.

[Capt Hunter]

Oh man, when you think you Ed can't surprise you anymore, he delivers something like that. One of, if not his best issue so far.

And, yes, the book and the MU are better now without Cap. America.

In some twisted way, i agree with you. I have almost abandoned DC sans a few titles and started to focus on the MU because the stories are, IMO, just better.

But I miss Steve Rogers bigtime. He's been my favorite characters since I started playing the FASERIP Marvel RPG and Captain America #342 was my first issue. I have every single issue from 175 up. He was the shining beacon in a world gone mad. Now the other heroes have to strive to more like him, if the world is ever going to survive. Makes for great drama. If Marvel wanted to make the MU dark by killing Captain America, they succeeded.

Its my hope they bring him back..... and sooner then later...

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I wonder if Cap's child will be a mutant?

[Billy T.]

Interesting circle that Bru is closing with Sharon's baby (presumably Cap's child) being fatherless, as Steve had lost both his parents. Also, Agent 13 had been under Faustus' control for a while and, part of her mental programming was to pursue Cap romantically. It's my best guess that Skull & Faustus intended on Cap getting Sharon pregnant (jeez, use a shield, Cap!), thereby obtaining a viable sample of his Super Soldier Seed :snort:

Work with me here for a moment. Skull uses the aging technology on Sharon to artificially advance her pregnancy. Then, he takes the baby (assuming it will be a boy) back in time to the point where he first learned that he had a daughter. The original Red Skull would then have a Super Soldier Son to raise as his own and, with this son, wreak havoc on the future - thus, rewriting history. It makes no sense to me for Skull/Lukin to travel forward in time, especially if he's wanting to change the outcome of history in his favor (i.e. Axis wins, Allies lose, etc.) Traveling forward leaves too much to chance, as in he's not able to predict what will happen in the world around him between now and the future. Also, didn't Doom say the device would only work once (meaning "one-way ticket?")

I can also see this. Stark, Barnes, et al. are able to foil the Skull's time travel plot but,
1. Sharon is wounded and tells Stark she's pregnant with Cap's baby - then dies.
2. Sharon is wounded and kept on life support long enough for Stark to save the baby.
3. Sharon is mortally wounded but Stark is able to transplant the baby into another woman's womb (or some sci-fi gestation chamber.)

Those three finally close the circle, making Cap's offspring a full-fledged orphan, just like Cap.

4. Sharon is found to be pregnant with Cap's daughter :eek: (I'm unfamiliar with the American Dream character - alt. univ.?)

Imagine, Tony Stark - Director of SHIELD, adoptive father of Cap's child! :eek: "Keep the dream alive, Tony!"

As for Sin's shake-up of the Chinese Stock Exchange, could that have been done in order to make money for the Kronas Corp., keeping the funding going for Zola's work on Doom's time travel device?

I was considering giving up the monthly books at the end of this arc (I prefer having the trades, as they're more durable around my small kids) but, after this issue, I'm not sure if I'll be able to :D

[Magneto Rocks]

Firstly; there are NOOOOO Skrulls connected to this. None. Absolutely not. None. Since Brubaker has said he doesn't even know whether he'll end up dealing with any of Secret Invasion. This is like World War Hulk, a case where people keep claiming Skrulls will be shoved in when it's not going to happen.

That aside, what is there to say? I run out of adjectives.

9.5/10. THe book with Cap dead is better than it ever was with him alive.

[rogerio]

Firstly; there are NOOOOO Skrulls connected to this. None. Absolutely not. None. Since Brubaker has said he doesn't even know whether he'll end up dealing with any of Secret Invasion. This is like World War Hulk, a case where people keep claiming Skrulls will be shoved in when it's not going to happen.

yeah...Ed Brubaker said in recent interview:
Will Captain America be crossing over into Secret Invasion, particularly since we've seen a lot of Nick Fury here and he'll be fully returning during the event?
Brubaker: I don't know how much that will actually be dealt with in Cap. I know stuff I'm doing in Cap will be dealt with in Secret Invasion and in the "Invasion" books and stuff like that because Brian and I have talked. But I don't know, because I'll be in the middle of this storyline, if I'll do something. I'll probably do something like a Secret Invasion/Cap Special or something that I write that will ship in place of Captain America for a month much like we did with House of M. Or I might move my storyline along faster than I think and suddenly have a good three or four months to do a Secret Invasion-type story. But I don't want to feel like I'm forced to.

[Capt Hunter]

Firstly; there are NOOOOO Skrulls connected to this. None. Absolutely not. None. Since Brubaker has said he doesn't even know whether he'll end up dealing with any of Secret Invasion. This is like World War Hulk, a case where people keep claiming Skrulls will be shoved in when it's not going to happen.

That aside, what is there to say? I run out of adjectives.

9.5/10. THe book with Cap dead is better than it ever was with him alive.

I have to disagree. I think that the Captain America comic is going to be a part of the Secret Invasion... Brubaker left DC because they were not including him in the big events. This is an event that Brubaker could shine in. I think Secret Invasion will be a "cloak and dagger" style story. and if anyone can right a story like that, its Ed Brubaker...

[Capt Hunter]

yeah...Ed Brubaker said in recent interview:
Will Captain America be crossing over into Secret Invasion, particularly since we've seen a lot of Nick Fury here and he'll be fully returning during the event?
Brubaker: I don't know how much that will actually be dealt with in Cap. I know stuff I'm doing in Cap will be dealt with in Secret Invasion and in the "Invasion" books and stuff like that because Brian and I have talked. But I don't know, because I'll be in the middle of this storyline, if I'll do something. I'll probably do something like a Secret Invasion/Cap Special or something that I write that will ship in place of Captain America for a month much like we did with House of M. Or I might move my storyline along faster than I think and suddenly have a good three or four months to do a Secret Invasion-type story. But I don't want to feel like I'm forced to.

Cool... got a link for the entire interview

[rogerio]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/820/820193p1.html
Ed Brubaker chats with IGN about his work on Captain America, X-men and Criminal.

[Magneto Rocks]

I have to disagree. I think that the Captain America comic is going to be a part of the Secret Invasion... Brubaker left DC because they were not including him in the big events. This is an event that Brubaker could shine in. I think Secret Invasion will be a "cloak and dagger" style story. and if anyone can right a story like that, its Ed Brubaker...

Naa, I disagree. The event thing is only a rumor, and Brubaker hasn't seemed too enthusiastic about House of M or Civil War thus far. Far from negative ,mind you, but not that enthusiastic either.

[Capt Hunter]

Naa, I disagree. The event thing is only a rumor, and Brubaker hasn't seemed too enthusiastic about House of M or Civil War thus far. Far from negative ,mind you, but not that enthusiastic either.

I say we meet back here when its announced either way.... I hope that I am right because Ed Brubaker can only add to this event.

After reading Cap #30 for the 5th time, it still chills me to the bone. I may be biased as hell when it comes to Captain America, but this is the absolute best book on the market, period. Every issue leaves me with some strange emotion that is hard to articulate. As the story progresses, it leaves me more and more anxious to read the next. I am not sure how much more I can take. :p

I am thinking about picking up the Omnibus this weekend, making a comfortable spot in my den and read it cover to cover.

Issue receives a 5/5 for me.

[Magneto Rocks]

I say we meet back here when its announced either way.... I hope that I am right because Ed Brubaker can only add to this event.

Oh ABSOLUTELY, if Brubaker was a part of this event, the event would be far better.

Sadly, I fear Cap itself would be worse from needing to tie in.

And biased as I am, I'd rather not do anything that might upset the brilliance of the best book there is! :D

After reading Cap #30 for the 5th time, it still chills me to the bone. I may be biased as hell when it comes to Captain America, but this is the absolute best book on the market, period. Every issue leaves me with some strange emotion that is hard to articulate. As the story progresses, it leaves me more and more anxious to read the next. I am not sure how much more I can take. :p

Absolutely, right on. I agree with every word. :D

[Don Quixote]

I have to disagree. I think that the Captain America comic is going to be a part of the Secret Invasion... Brubaker left DC because they were not including him in the big events. This is an event that Brubaker could shine in. I think Secret Invasion will be a "cloak and dagger" style story. and if anyone can right a story like that, its Ed Brubaker...

Well, Marvel already have him taking the helm of Messiah Complex, so he's not going to complain about not being involved in event stories.

I don't want to see any Skrulls in Captain America. This book has got too much going for it at the moment to get dragged into Skrullmageddon.

And if Bru were to use some cheap trick like Cap being in stasis, or it was a Skrull that bought it in #25, I'd lose a massive amount of faith in him. I want Steve Rogers to stay dead, and for the Marvel universe to move on.

[Jay R]

I'd like to address the issue itelf.

It's getting harder & harder to say how much I enjoy this book every month without sounding like a fanboy. I may as well just cut & paste my posts...

"...solid issue, loved it, bru is awesome..."

I really do like everything that's going on here. Bucky's fight scene/ dialogue was killer, Sharon going nuts at the end, Tony figuring it out...I liked it all.

Okay, I'm done. Let me just cut & paste this post for #31 before I go.

-Jay

[Capt USA]

let me add to the list of people that thought the codeword was a horrible code word (mind you it's an extremely minor point, but still)

also let me join those that think this is probably a clone of the skull, hitler or captain america instead of an actual child from sharon and steves union.

Still love this issue, glad to see I'm not the only one liking the portrayal of tony stark in this title, and hopefully the gun used on the falcon and black widow was set to stun, and hopefully that is because sharon figured out some of what was going on and pre-set the guns that way so that she doesn't hurt her friends, and hopefully sharon knew enough to put a tracer on herself thinking that it's possible she may be used again. (I doubt that last part, but it would be nice to see some of the heroes outside of winter soldier doing something proactive against the red skull)

[StoneGold]

One way or another, Falcon and Natasha aren't dead. Because Natasha is in Mighty Avengers, and they wouldn't kill Falcon seconds after he gets a new/old costume.

[Capt USA]

One way or another, Falcon and Natasha aren't dead. Because Natasha is in Mighty Avengers, and they wouldn't kill Falcon seconds after he gets a new/old costume.

oh I know they aren't dead, but I was hoping that it meant Sharon did something to prevent that from happening instead of her being ordered just to stun them (meaning that there is a possibility the skull has people on the way to behavior modify the widow and falcon also)

[rogerio]

One way or another, Falcon and Natasha aren't dead. Because Natasha is in Mighty Avengers, and they wouldn't kill Falcon seconds after he gets a new/old costume.
yeah...would be pretty cool Black Widow teaching the Agent 13 a lesson or two...:)

[StoneGold]

yeah...would be pretty cool Black Widow teaching the Agent 13 a lesson or two...:)

Sigh, I remember a time when Sharon was way cooler than Natasha. Well, not really remember it, I'm not that old. But that's what happens when Sharon is being drawn by people like Kirby and Romita, and Natasha is mostly being rendered by Don Heck. Blech. Big earings with giant letter "B"s on them. And most of her existence was to c-tease Hawkeye. Whereas Sharon's was to blow up Sleepers and stuff.

[StoneGold]

There's an interview up with Brubaker on Newsarama. If he isn't lying, no one has guessed what has happened with Sharon correctly. What that means, I have no idea. But it would seem to mean at the very least, all is not as it appears with the alleged Capfetus.

[reta-winter soldier]

I think im in love with brubaker, that entire issue looked like a movie. The heir of cap america sound great, but no dont brainwash the ws again. make him and black widow join the NA, great great issue

[CaptainCanada]

There's an interview up with Brubaker on Newsarama. If he isn't lying, no one has guessed what has happened with Sharon correctly. What that means, I have no idea. But it would seem to mean at the very least, all is not as it appears with the alleged Capfetus.
Maybe she'll give birth to her own boyfriend.

It worked so well for Ms. Marvel.

[Capt USA]

what guesses has he heard though?

Is she the one that is going to become captain america? (can you imagine a pregnant captain america)


obvious guesses out there, 1. it's steves baby 2. it's the red skulls baby 3. it's a clone of the red skull 4. it's a clone of steve 5. it's a clone of hitler

less obvious guesses? 1. the agent she was dating that winter soldier killed is the father of the baby (mind you it was probably over 6 months ago so that is very unlikely) 2. it's a clone of nomad (also unlikely) 3. it's a genetic creation of arnim zola(don't have a clue what it would be though) 4. it's nick furys baby (yes I'm stretching) 5. it's faustus baby (nothing like a little hympnotizing molestation)---I really doubt this 6. it's a clone of red skulls wife (doubtful) 7. shes not pregnant but thinks she is due to machinations of faustus.

[CaptainCanada]

7. shes not pregnant but thinks she is due to machinations of faustus.
After the reveal in this issue, I kind of doubt you could go back on that in a satisfactory manner (but then, I'd never have thought Bucky's return would be anything other than a trainwreck).

1. the agent she was dating that winter soldier killed is the father of the baby (mind you it was probably over 6 months ago so that is very unlikely)

There's an explicit gap of several months between #14 and #16 (and again between #17 and #18), so that wouldn't work.

[Pyro]

This title is remarkable. I love it so much. And it comes out on a regular basis! I love it!

[StoneGold]

what guesses has he heard though?


He occasionally posts and frequently lurks here, so it's a pretty sure thing he's read most, if not all, the remarks we've made.

[filthysize]

Man, Sharon is so going to die. It is coming.

[Capt Hunter]

Man, Sharon is so going to die. It is coming.

Again..... hmmmm

[StoneGold]

So Brubaker's said no one has guessed what's up with the baby properly yet. So the answer has to be out there, we just haven't thought of it yet. Best to think outside the box.


I'm thinking it's Namor's. Remember how in the Winter Soldier special, Namor was trying to get into Spitfire's pants just to piss off Torch? Same deal. Namor was banging Sharon to piss off Cap for no apparent reason. Because that's how Namor rolls.

[gravling]

brubaker AND epting should do captain america forever. and ever.

[jackolover]

Brubaker proving once again why he's one of the best writers in the industry. Great book.

I think the art on Sharon, as she got back into the skin suit, showed how vulnerable she felt, now she was pregnant. Not the confident, straight standing girl she was before. But a little stooped, and she didn't fill the suit as good anymore, like she hasn't been eating.

I have trouble understanding that sequence where Faustus appeared next to Sharon and put his hand around her. Was he actually in the flat, or had some trigger word struck her, and now she was in killer mode again?

I think there were like 6 incidents, each one of which could have been a great reveal for one book, but we got them all.

1.Sharon shoots Falcon and Black Widow;
2.Bucky gets jobbed by the Skull with a Sputnik
3.Iron Man reveals the contents of Caps letter.
4.Sharon reveals she's pregnant, (and the speculation is that it's Caps)
5.Iron Man enters the Cap book, also revealing how much he misses Cap.
6.Iron Man suspects Sharon is the shooter.

This book just ramped up the energy, in a spiral of hypertension, that seems like it will be a frenzy of action, and incident. Where will this go from here? Iron man will go to Sharons flat where the body of the Widow will be. Sharon will be taken into custody as a possible triple murderer. Bucky will be turned into a Zombie, mind-controlled by the Skrull. In one fell swoop, 4 characters will be taken out of action. Sharon, Widow, Falcon, and Bucky will all be silent in issue 31, when they were the driving force of the book since issue 26.

[jackolover]

That ties his return into the Skrull stuff, which has nothing to do with this title. I highly doubt it; Civil War intruded somewhat, but so far everything that has ever driven this series has come from within it.

Except Brubaker wanted Cap to end the CW and walk away riding into little America to rediscover his mission, but they took that away from him and killed Cap. Now Bru has to weave a plot without Cap, and no prospect of Cap being contactable, so I'd say CW had it's affect on this book.

I don't know if Fury would go so far as to remove Cap from the landscape. I don't think a Skrull would take Caps place, and get shot. I don't think a stand in Shield impersonator stood in for Cap either. That was Cap that got shot dead.

[morwen]

Except Brubaker wanted Cap to end the CW and walk away riding into little America to rediscover his mission, but they took that away from him and killed Cap. Now Bru has to weave a plot without Cap, and no prospect of Cap being contactable, so I'd say CW had it's affect on this book.

In this article (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9904), Brubaker says pretty much the opposite of that

I didn't want to do a "Cap gets on a motorcycle and finds America" story, or a "Cap behind bars" story, I decided to bump up the timeline on my big "Red Skull Strikes Back" story instead, and go straight for the jugular.

ie that he had been planning to kill Cap anyway at some point, this just proved a convenient place to do it.

[jackolover]

I see Steve and Sharon with baby in tow, riding off into the sunset. Steve Rogers finally getting his American Dream, no pun intended. :

Come on. Think about it. Would Sharon even contemplate having a baby and retiring to a quiet suburbian life? Sharon can't sit still long enough to have children, let alone rear them. Sharon would most likely dump them on the father, and leave. And if Cap was around, could you imagine the father and mother of Shield and the Avengers sitting at home? I have a real problem with that, and Sharon keeping her shape after birth.

Sharon has been manipulated. She knows she's being manipulated. She will remember shooting Widow and Falcon. She's pregnant, and she can't find any way to break from her mind-control, and she doesn't know whose doing it. She is a real candidate for suicide, if she could carry it out, but she is not being allowed too. The next thing, is either alcohol, or a nervous breakdown. But keeping the baby is a very low possibility, under these circumstances. And I mean, her demeanor under the stress of Skull, and, her character as action-woman.

[jackolover]

In this article (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=9904), Brubaker says pretty much the opposite of that

I didn't want to do a "Cap gets on a motorcycle and finds America" story, or a "Cap behind bars" story, I decided to bump up the timeline on my big "Red Skull Strikes Back" story instead, and go straight for the jugular.

ie that he had been planning to kill Cap anyway at some point, this just proved a convenient place to do it.

In what context was Brubakers change of plans? Was it that he had a mapped out story, but CW convinced him Cap had to die, as a balance and closure? Or, was it that Bru couldn't do the mapped out plan, once Cap was captured, and HAD to fast forward, to a later storyline, also, because of the events of CW?

[Omega Alpha]

Brubaker said that his plan was to have the Skrull destroy Cap's life and then kill him (i imagine that would happen in #50). But after CW he was already a broken man, and there was no need for this story, so he decided to antecipate his plans and kill Cap. already.

[Magneto Rocks]

I think there were like 6 incidents, each one of which could have been a great reveal for one book, but we got them all.

1.Sharon shoots Falcon and Black Widow;
2.Bucky gets jobbed by the Skull with a Sputnik
3.Iron Man reveals the contents of Caps letter.
4.Sharon reveals she's pregnant, (and the speculation is that it's Caps)
5.Iron Man enters the Cap book, also revealing how much he misses Cap.
6.Iron Man suspects Sharon is the shooter.

While I agree with 1-4 and 6, Iron Man's already been part of Cap book and we already knew how much he missed Cap...

[CaptainCanada]

In what context was Brubakers change of plans? Was it that he had a mapped out story, but CW convinced him Cap had to die, as a balance and closure? Or, was it that Bru couldn't do the mapped out plan, once Cap was captured, and HAD to fast forward, to a later storyline, also, because of the events of CW?
No, he said he didn't want to repeat himself/other writers with having the main character in prison (his own Daredevil) or on the road (Gruenwald), so he decided to move up the "Red Skull Strikes Back" plan by a few issues.

[Ed Brubaker]

Yes, that's it exactly. The Cap goes to find America idea was one of several that were offered in an early Civil War outline, which you can find on Brevoort's blog somewhere, probably. As I've said a billion times... I felt America needed to find Cap, not the other way around.

I just had to tweak my plans a little and bump one storyline aside, basically, to get to where we are now, but writing a monthly comic things are always in flux anyway. So it wasn't a big deal. I'm really happy we did it, and I can only thank CW and Millar for getting us where we are.


Also, I didn't leave DC because I wanted to be part of larger plans and events. I was working for both Marvel and DC at the same time for about a year before I signed at Marvel. I was doing Cap and the Authority and Sleeper all at once. And Gotham Central.

I think someone is misinterpretting things I've said in various interviews over the years. I didn't leave DC with any bad blood or ill will, at all. I have a lot of friends still over there. What I said was something along the lines of, Marvel is offering me Cap, DD and the X-Men, and DC has all their big plans already locked up, so it wasn't really a hard decision.

[Weapon Ick]

In all these years the Winter Soldier has never heard the word "sputnik"? I can't remember the last I heard that word but I'm also not partially made of russian technology.

[Don Quixote]

In all these years the Winter Soldier has never heard the word "sputnik"? I can't remember the last I heard that word but I'm also not partially made of russian technology.

Bru said somewhere, I think, that the codeword was implanted after Winter Soldier went awol in the 70s.

Sputnik was a satelite programme in the 1950s, it's doubtful many people would be talking about it 20 years later. Especially in the circles Winter Soldier would be moving in.

[Capt Hunter]

Also, I didn't leave DC because I wanted to be part of larger plans and events. I was working for both Marvel and DC at the same time for about a year before I signed at Marvel. I was doing Cap and the Authority and Sleeper all at once. And Gotham Central.

I think someone is misinterpretting things I've said in various interviews over the years. I didn't leave DC with any bad blood or ill will, at all. I have a lot of friends still over there. What I said was something along the lines of, Marvel is offering me Cap, DD and the X-Men, and DC has all their big plans already locked up, so it wasn't really a hard decision.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Brubaker

"In February of 2005 Brubaker signed his first exclusive contract with Marvel, the deal allowing the writer to finish out his prior commitments for DC on Gotham Central and Sleeper. In an interview with Newsarama Brubaker attributed his shift of employer to the publishers' good treatment of him, the quality and high profile of the work Marvel was offering him and his lack of involvement in DC's "big plans" (DC's large intercompany crossover Infinite Crisis was in the final planning stages at the time). "

This is where I read it from. Sorry, I really didn't mean to cast that subject in a negative light. I've read it elsewhere in the context that I passed on. Again, sorry for the comment. Thanks for the clarity.

[ultramandingo]

.....good thing he never got to hear crappy 80s band Sigue Sigue Sputnik (1986-2003)

"the band took its name from a Manila street gang called Sigue Sigue Sputnik, which means "Burn, burn, satellite."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigue_Sigue_Sputnik

[Ed Brubaker]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Brubaker

"In February of 2005 Brubaker signed his first exclusive contract with Marvel, the deal allowing the writer to finish out his prior commitments for DC on Gotham Central and Sleeper. In an interview with Newsarama Brubaker attributed his shift of employer to the publishers' good treatment of him, the quality and high profile of the work Marvel was offering him and his lack of involvement in DC's "big plans" (DC's large intercompany crossover Infinite Crisis was in the final planning stages at the time). "

This is where I read it from. Sorry, I really didn't mean to cast that subject in a negative light. I've read it elsewhere in the context that I passed on. Again, sorry for the comment. Thanks for the clarity.

Nah, it's no big deal. I think people read more into that than there was, that's all. It wasn't me leaving DC because I felt left out, I would've gone to Marvel either way, because of the books I was offered.

[drwho]

Ed do you enjoy writing solo characters, or team titles more? To be honest I like most of your solo title stuff even if they have a lot of guest stars in them, but the Uncanny stuff I felt wasn't your best. Great job on Cap and DD. How about we get some brubaker on Moon Knight, or the Punisher?

[Don Quixote]

Ed do you enjoy writing solo characters, or team titles more? To be honest I like most of your solo title stuff even if they have a lot of guest stars in them, but the Uncanny stuff I felt wasn't your best. Great job on Cap and DD. How about we get some brubaker on Moon Knight, or the Punisher?

Winter Soldier ongoing. It has to happen.

[Capt Hunter]

Nah, it's no big deal. I think people read more into that than there was, that's all. It wasn't me leaving DC because I felt left out, I would've gone to Marvel either way, because of the books I was offered.

cool man... and thanks for not sending the Winter Solder after me.... :p

[StoneGold]

Nah, it's no big deal. I think people read more into that than there was, that's all. It wasn't me leaving DC because I felt left out, I would've gone to Marvel either way, because of the books I was offered.

Ed, don't you understand? Wikipedia is the free market creating the truth. It's there in print, so it must be real. You left because DC made you feel left out, plain and simple.

[Trey]

Captain America #50

"The Birth Issue"

Agent Carter finally gives birth to Capfetus! Who's the father? Is it a boy or girl? Brubaker brings his run to an amazing end! What will come out of Agent 13's birth canel? A slimy baby Skrull? Clor? A time-travelling Steve Rogers? Be here in about 2 years! Art by Bendis!

[mattx110]

Bru said somewhere, I think, that the codeword was implanted after Winter Soldier went awol in the 70s.

Sputnik was a satelite programme in the 1950s, it's doubtful many people would be talking about it 20 years later. Especially in the circles Winter Soldier would be moving in.

one of the reasons you never see bucky watching jeopardy on panel.:D

[rogerio]

Winter Soldier ongoing. It has to happen.

very soon!:)

[edhopper]

I think it is obvious what Brubaker is planning. Cap must go underground for several years to prepare for the coming alien invasion.
No, not the Skrulls...the Z'Nox!
http://www.samcci.comics.org/x-men/uxmen065.jpg

[Capt Hunter]

Personally I would love to see a SHIELD ongoing with Winter Soldier as one of the principle characters. I think that after Nick Fury returns and Secret Invasion is over, I think that will become a reality. Its time for a SHIELD book proper.

Cast
Nick Fury
Valentina Allegra de Fontaine
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dum Dum Dugan

SHIELD hasn't had its own book in years and it missed. Checkmate over at DC is doing well, so its as if their isn't a market. Meh... food for thought...

[Don Quixote]

Personally I would love to see a SHIELD ongoing with Winter Soldier as one of the principle characters. I think that after Nick Fury returns and Secret Invasion is over, I think that will become a reality. Its time for a SHIELD book proper.

Cast
Nick Fury
Valentina Allegra de Fontaine
Winter Soldier
Black Widow
Dum Dum Dugan

SHIELD hasn't had its own book in years and it missed. Checkmate over at DC is doing well, so its as if their isn't a market. Meh... food for thought...

That could work, it could be great. As long as Bru was the writer. He shouldn't let anyone else write Winter Soldier, in my opinion.

Add Daisy Johnson to that cast as well, another Fury loyalist. Perhaps even Jessica Drew.

[Capt Hunter]

That could work, it could be great. As long as Bru was the writer. He shouldn't let anyone else write Winter Soldier, in my opinion.

Add Daisy Johnson to that cast as well, another Fury loyalist. Perhaps even Jessica Drew.

I would like to added Bishop to the list. I get the feeling that Marvel is getting away from the divisions between Mutant and Altered Human. The Super Human Registration proves that and throws everyone into one mixing bowl, so why not have mutant and human working together to common good for all beings, Homo Superior or Homo Sapien.

I like to see more crossovers between villians. Mr. Sinister vs. Captain America was something I've always wanted to see. Sinister wants a DNA sample from Steve to create some new being. Really in the Marvel Universe, the possibilities for new stories have been blown wide open with all of the status quo changing events...

[Dr. Chaos]

Wow...didn't really care all that much about Sharon before now but things just got alot more tragic.

Poor kid..

And Steve's basically letting Tony handpick the next Captain America? That's kind of eery.

It's funny that the idea of a successor was brought up in this issue with Ed still giving out the impression in interviews that theres nobody out there that's ready for the mantle just yet.

[Pyro]

I have to say, I think I liked Sam's older costume better than the one he put on this issue. :(

[jackolover]

Yes, that's it exactly. The Cap goes to find America idea was one of several that were offered in an early Civil War outline, which you can find on Brevoort's blog somewhere, probably. As I've said a billion times... I felt America needed to find Cap, not the other way around.

I just had to tweak my plans a little and bump one storyline aside, basically, to get to where we are now, but writing a monthly comic things are always in flux anyway. So it wasn't a big deal. I'm really happy we did it, and I can only thank CW and Millar for getting us where we are.

I agree with the CW and Millar comment, as where you guys have got so far has been phenomenol. Who knew a book about Cap, could be so entrancing, without Cap.

Ed, do we get to have any more insight as to America finding Cap? I'm finding difficulty relating to that message in the books. I see the impetus that Cap gave to the support characters, and how their lives are still rolling along, because of Cap, but the only clue so far has been that letter sent to Stark, that 'America needs a Captain', and 'don't let the dream die'. Are these themes going to be addressed soon?

[cernunnos]

This was another great issue. It looks like Bucky is in deep doo-doo, and Sharon Carter's living hell continues. This book continues to be one of Marvel's best.

[Dr. Chaos]

very soon!:)
Thirded.

Anybody that has the balls to call a guy that can rearrange your mind to make you think you're the world's gayest male ballerina a fatty while at his mercy definitely deserves his own book.

If there is one Marvel character right now that could carry an ongoing that he doesn't yet have, it would be The Winter Soldier.

That being said, Bucky's hijacking of Captain America will do for now.

[worstblogever]

Way to go Steve Rogers. You've gone and died after getting your baby batter all up in Sharon, and it's now a bun in the oven.

Then again, in his defense, he's a man out of time, and they really didn't use condoms in the 1940s.

[Magneto Rocks]

Winter Soldier ongoing?

Whaddya think Ed's writing every month? Captain America? ;)

[disco stu]

I have to say this is one of my current favorate reads every month it's one that i really look forward to, i enjoy how bru keeps his stories internal, i must say as the appealing as the idea of having bucky as cap is, the Winter Soldier is just to cool a character to give up.

[Spiffy]

This was another great issue. It looks like Bucky is in deep doo-doo, and Sharon Carter's living hell continues. This book continues to be one of Marvel's best.
Frankly they are almost going too far with her. There's a break point where you just don't want to read it anymore, and in terms of her flogging, its getting to that point.

They need to change up the story soon and have her transition into an up swing. Either than or kill her. The story does seem to be arriving at one or other of those points though. Obviously with her outed, you'd think it woul be one or the other. Except, you know, they could go the route of her being a fugitive, or more actively and permanent controlled, or have her captured and held legally responsible. Or have her cleared by tortured by guilt for the next two years of issues.

[Dr. Chaos]

Winter Soldier ongoing?

Whaddya think Ed's writing every month? Captain America? ;)
Hence the last sentence of my post.

I'm more than happy with Bucky's huge role on the book now until he can get his Cap affairs in order.

[voltron]

Well a possible use for this baby is:
Red Skull is currently sharing the head of some dude at the moment
and getting his own body would be a good thing in his mind.
especially that of the son of Cap

[Pyro]

I just reread issue 24, and it looks like Cap learned something about the Red Skull's plans. I wonder what it could have been. It wasn't revealed since Cap died in the next issue. HMMMM...

[CaptainCanada]

I just reread issue 24, and it looks like Cap learned something about the Red Skull's plans. I wonder what it could have been. It wasn't revealed since Cap died in the next issue. HMMMM...
The implication was he knew that Zola was involved.

[rogerio]

I just reread issue 24, and it looks like Cap learned something about the Red Skull's plans. I wonder what it could have been. It wasn't revealed since Cap died in the next issue. HMMMM...

hummm....Skull plans!
I can't wait to see what Ed is going to do with it!:)

[Sandy Hausler]

Damnit, Brubaker, we already lost Hedwig this year, don't hurt Redwing.

Hedwig's dead??? Darn it, Captain, don't you believe in Spoiler Alerts?:D

Sandy Hausler

[Capt Hunter]

I just reread issue 24, and it looks like Cap learned something about the Red Skull's plans. I wonder what it could have been. It wasn't revealed since Cap died in the next issue. HMMMM...

hmm... I need to reread that... interesting... Notice there hasn't been a scene with Fury mourning Cap's demise.... I bet there was a switcharoo somewhere and Cap is recovering somewhere where Fury can protect him...

[jackolover]

So now we get some insight into Ed's vision of the book, and where the story goes from here.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130163

I was intrigued that NRama suggested that Tony become Captain America? What's that all about? Who would have put that together? I cannot imagine Tony giving up Iron Man and becoming Captain America, and if Tony did, he'd have to give up his empire to help him fit the bill. He cannot be Cap with his current character. He would have to have a complete transformation, where he purges every last piece of Tony Stark away. Them train up, because Cap beat him easily in Casualties of War.

[StoneGold]

hmm... I need to reread that... interesting... Notice there hasn't been a scene with Fury mourning Cap's demise.... I bet there was a switcharoo somewhere and Cap is recovering somewhere where Fury can protect him...

Doesn't mean that much. Enough of Fury's buddies have died in combat without him getting all weepy. It could be Fury, since Brubaker seems to have control over Nick, but I kind of doubt it.

[Kefky]

So now we get some insight into Ed's vision of the book, and where the story goes from here.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=130163

I was intrigued that NRama suggested that Tony become Captain America? What's that all about? Who would have put that together? I cannot imagine Tony giving up Iron Man and becoming Captain America, and if Tony did, he'd have to give up his empire to help him fit the bill. He cannot be Cap with his current character. He would have to have a complete transformation, where he purges every last piece of Tony Stark away. Them train up, because Cap beat him easily in Casualties of War.

Eh, I think they just wanted to mention every possible option. No need to get so worked up about it. :)

[Capt Hunter]

Doesn't mean that much. Enough of Fury's buddies have died in combat without him getting all weepy. It could be Fury, since Brubaker seems to have control over Nick, but I kind of doubt it.

At this point, everyone has a theory or at the very least a educated guess. There are a couple of gaps in the story. Issue #25 when the ambulance reached the hospital, then they immediately pronounce Cap dead thru the new media. There are too many gaps or what I call missing panels. I think that we will be seeing these missing panels soon.

I have stated before that I do not think that Steve Rogers is dead. I think that the Red Skull has him locked up somewhere or Cap is working with Nick Fury. Shield did confiscate all of Arnim Zola cloning technology. They also said early on, that samples of Caps DNA are destroyed after his checkups.. but where they really.... Then there are the LMDs... could it be a new generation LMD with Arnim Zola cloning technology.... Another mystery is why did Steve's body go all frail in issue #26... again there are missing panels here... we haven't seen the whole story yet. I see the other side of the story coming soon....

[HotRod_Tim]

I haven't read any Captain America since I got back into comics, even since the whole death of Cap story, but now that this arc is over, I might be picking #31 up just to check it out. Thanks to all you guys for your insight, this book actually sounds interesting.

[Dusty.]

Finally read this. It was definitely the best issue since 25, and a lot of that has to do with the heavy Steve Rogers presence. It made it feel like a Captain America story.

I liked Bucky better when he was a bad guy, and I hope he stays that way now. I'm just not digging the Bucky getting force fed on me, and thought he was much more interesting when he was working for the enemy. He gave Cap an enemy that was about as personally connected as it gets. MUCH more interesting than what he's become.

Much happened in this issue. It's been dragging a bit, making our heroes look like they aren't as good as advertised, but this issue picked it up nicely. This is the best Iron-Man book on the stands.

9/10

[Dr. Chaos]

Bucky as a villain again? No thank you.

The Winter Soldier is quickly turning out to be one of my favorite Marvel Heroes to come along in awhile.

I don't think anything has really been lost in the transition back into a good guy, I still think he comes across as an incredible badass (considering where he was before Brubaker got to him, god thats really saying something).

[CaptainCanada]

I liked Bucky better when he was a bad guy, and I hope he stays that way now. I'm just not digging the Bucky getting force fed on me, and thought he was much more interesting when he was working for the enemy. He gave Cap an enemy that was about as personally connected as it gets. MUCH more interesting than what he's become.

The initial story was good, but the "your best friend is now EVIL" plot gets old real quick, so I prefer him a more morally ambiguous character, who wants to do the right thing but is more of an assassin/black-ops guy than a hero. As "evil Bucky" he's really just a plot device; it wasn't until Winter Soldier: Winter Kills that I was really impressed by him.

[Omega Alpha]

The thing is, even when awesome at first, you can't keep someone as a mind-controlled villain for long; it's not the true nature of the character and he or she has no debt, since they are just doing whatever someone orders them to do without thinking.

[Capt Hunter]

I wish the creative team could get ahold of Patriot for a while. I know Ed is writing the Young Avengers special slated for January (I think) , but I would like to see him in the book. He's part of the legacy that is Captain America.

[jackolover]

Bucky as a villain again? No thank you.

The Winter Soldier is quickly turning out to be one of my favorite Marvel Heroes to come along in awhile.

I don't think anything has really been lost in the transition back into a good guy, I still think he comes across as an incredible badass (considering where he was before Brubaker got to him, god thats really saying something).

Gee. Don't get Winter Soldier and X-23 together, with Bucky buying her the X-23 trigger perfume, and them watching Discovery channel on old Russian satellites, it could get ugly.

[jackolover]

Finally read this. It was definitely the best issue since 25, and a lot of that has to do with the heavy Steve Rogers presence. It made it feel like a Captain America story.

9/10


3.Iron Man reveals the contents of Caps letter.
4.Sharon reveals she's pregnant, (and the speculation is that it's Caps)
5.Iron Man enters the Cap book, also revealing how much he misses Cap.
6.Iron Man suspects Sharon is the shooter, who killed Cap.

Good pick-up on the 'heavy Steve Rogers presence' of the book. It's almost like, anything that Sharon Carter does, is like a defacto Cap, because she was the one who killed him. She's like the walking, last-touch, of Cap.

[rogerio]

I wish the creative team could get ahold of Patriot for a while. I know Ed is writing the Young Avengers special slated for January (I think) , but I would like to see him in the book. He's part of the legacy that is Captain America.
totally agree with you!

[Dusty.]

The initial story was good, but the "your best friend is now EVIL" plot gets old real quick, so I prefer him a more morally ambiguous character, who wants to do the right thing but is more of an assassin/black-ops guy than a hero. As "evil Bucky" he's really just a plot device; it wasn't until Winter Soldier: Winter Kills that I was really impressed by him.

What gets old REAL quick is the stereotypical "dark and gritty badass". Bucky has basically become a parody. Honestly, it's been done to death far worse than "your best friend is now evil", and it's become a quite lame plot device.

[CMBMOOL]

Gee. Don't get Winter Soldier and X-23 together, with Bucky buying her the X-23 trigger perfume, and them watching Discovery channel on old Russian satellites, it could get ugly.

Have it written by Ed, Chris and Craig and you got a deal. :D

[CaptainCanada]

What gets old REAL quick is the stereotypical "dark and gritty badass". Bucky has basically become a parody. Honestly, it's been done to death far worse than "your best friend is now evil", and it's become a quite lame plot device.
He fits a certain type of character, sure, but he's a character, at least (a really good one). His actions are guided by emotions and thought; before, he was a literal plot device; something the bad guys ordered around.