Do You Want Storm To Be Established As An Omega-Level Mutant Already?

[GoddessStorm]

We all know she has the potential to reach omega-level power. She's been compared to Jean Grey before and it was hinted that she can reach her omega-level potential during her wedding time.

The questions is...

Do you want Storm to be established as an omega-level mutant already? Are you tired of waiting for her to reach her full power or do you not want that for her?

Personally, I do want her to be established as an omega-level mutant and for 2 reasons.

#1) She's the most popular weather-manipulating superhero in history, so why not establish her as the best at it? Let her be the best at what she does by letting her reach omega-level strength with her atmokinesis already.

#2) Because I simple think she could use the extra strength. I mean, Jean is hugely powerful and overshadows most X-Men strength-wise, but if Storm were to reach omega-level strength it would help balance things out a bit, in a way. Also, Storm tends to be underestimated quite often and I think this could help put an end to that.

People thought it was lame that she beat up Wonder Woman in the 1997 crossover. Would it be so unbelievable that she could defeat Wonder Woman is she were an omega-level mutant? ...I think not.

Storm Forever!!! Long live the goddess!!! Let her reach her full potential now!!!

[Syzygy]

Sorry, but no. IMO, she's fine just the way she is. Not every mutant needs to be omnipotent in their particular sphere.

As for defeating Wonder Woman, IMO, it was a totally believable feat even without unlimited weather powers: lightning bolts vs metal bracelets!

[Flâneur]

Since powers are the least important aspect of a character ... then no, I don't think so. It'd just be superfluous.

[xgeek52]

what makes you think she's not omega level...

[Canemacar]

Also, Storm tends to be underestimated quite often

What Storm are you talking about?

[YummiYami]

I like storm the way she is, because she doesn't need to be known as a omega level mutant, she is already strong and powerful and thats all I want from her. I would hate hate hate hate if they are gonna keep adding more omega level mutant to the list, it would be confusing, not only that a lot of characters are as strong as storm but are not omega.

[GoddessStorm]

What Storm are you talking about?
Ororo.

I used the Storm vs. Wonder Woman situation as an example. Most people think Storm is way too weak to defeat Wonder Woman. They swear that if it weren't for the fan votes, WW would have won since she's "clearly" much more powerful than her.

That's why I want Storm to become omega-level, so should could be of the super strong ones out there. I know she's already powerful, but imo, it's not enough.

Plus, I've always thought that Storm's powers seem very much like Phoenix's when she's in the midst of a furious elemental tempest, so it would just make it more comforting for me to know that she is that powerful and able to be compared to such glorious powerhouses.

Is she even a match for Magneto?

All I'm saying is I feel she'd make a brilliant omega-level mutant. I agree that not every mutant has to be the omnipotent in their sphere or whatever, but I personally think she'd be great at it. It would suit her, I think, especially since she's been compared to Phoenix before anyways.

[CmX]

Ororo.

I used the Storm vs. Wonder Woman situation as an example. Most people think Storm is way too weak to defeat Wonder Woman. They swear that if it weren't for the fan votes, WW would have won since she's "clearly" much more powerful than her.

That's why I want Storm to become omega-level, so should could be of the super strong ones out there. I know she's already powerful, but imo, it's not enough.

Plus, I've always thought that Storm's powers seem very much like Phoenix's when she's in the midst of a furious elemental tempest, so it would just make it more comforting for me to know that she is that powerful and able to be compared to such glorious powerhouses.

Is she even a match for Magneto?

All I'm saying is I feel she'd make a brilliant omega-level mutant. I agree that not every mutant has to be the omnipotent in their sphere or whatever, but I personally think she'd be great at it. It would suit her, I think, especially since she's been compared to Phoenix before anyways.

Storm? Underestimated? Since when? Cause.. that's one thing about Storm I dislike is that she's far too often depicted as this mighty unstoppable mutant that can kick anyone's ass. Boring.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sounds like the description of Jean Grey. Storm actually has character and dimensions.

[CmX]

Sounds like the description of Jean Grey. Storm actually has character and dimensions.

Hmm yeah. Let's see.. she's badass, she's considered a goddess, she's super mega momma powerful, she's always serious and in kickass mode... she's married to Black Panther.

[Schuimend Mormel]

I wouldn't want her to become an omega level mutant. As others have stated, she's already very powerful. If she was given omega level status, then I'm afraid she would be able to do things like dissipating a hurricane just by winking and clicking her heels. Now whenever she needs to do such a thing, she has to concentrate, and when she's finished, she's tired. That's what fascinates me about her power; whenever someone else, like Rogue or Emma Frost, tried using her powers in the past, they found that the power was difficult to control.

You could argue that, if Storm is given omega level powers, and gets to do even more impressive stuff with weather patterns, she would discipline herself as she did with her 'regular' weather powers, but I'm afraid such an increase in power would elevate her to almost goddess-like levels. What would she do? Whom would she fight? Who could stand against her? I like Storm the way she is.



PS: You're a fan of Sindel? Cool. Incidentally, I was playing Mortal Kombat yesterday when I noticed the resemblance between Sindel and Storm. That was mainly whenever Sindel floated, tho. And the hair. Kind of. :)

[Karl H]

I couldn't care less about power definitions - luckily the term 'omega level' hasn't been used in the actual X-books for years. As Flanny so accurately said, powers are the least important part of a character.

I don't really see how Storm's power levels have any impact in her character development.

[frog]

I've never been too fond of Omega level power. I prefer the characters to have more challenges to deal with. Storm seems plenty powerful enough already for me.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

personally I think Storm was best when she had no powers.
I think that defined her, and made her more badass.
If she could get over her claustrophobia I'd be happy though.

[xgeek52]

i repeat, what makes you think she's not omega level...

[Harlock]

Storm is fine as-is in my opinion. What I would like to see for her is more character development.

[Joe Acro]

#1) She's the most popular weather-manipulating superhero in history, so why not establish her as the best at it?I think you're overlooking Thor.

[Christopher O]

Eh, Storm's already insanely powerful and operating at a higher level than just about every official Omega Class mutant anyway, so I don't think it really matters. Besides, being classified as an Omega Class mutant doesn't mean she'll immediately jump up any on the power level scale. The "Omega" concept is more about potential than anything else, and potential is often left as just that. As for Wonder Woman, well, Storm is my absolute favorite comic book character, but there isn't any real way she can defeat Wonder Woman without ascending to some insanely powerful god form--which I don't want to see happen. I'd much rather see her writers explore her new status quo as queen of Wakanda. I've always wanted to see Storm in the arena of global politics, and now I can. I'd like to see them focus on that for now.

[Omega Alpha]

Sorry, but no. IMO, she's fine just the way she is. Not every mutant needs to be omnipotent in their particular sphere.

QFT.

Also, Storm tends to be underestimated quite often

On what planet? In fact, part of the reason why i think she sucks is Claremont trying to shove down our throats about how perfect she is.



#1) She's the most popular weather-manipulating superhero in history, so why not establish her as the best at it?

Have you ever heard anything about this guy?

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/vaskulus/thor_background.jpg

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Please.

Storm totally is an Omega. She just is too cool to be a card-carrying member of the clique since they don't want her to suffer the same fate as Jean. :rolleyes:

I say they should go for it if just for the sake of not being such p**sies.

[GoingGreen]

The notion of Storm suddenly hinted as an Omega level is the most ridunkulous things I've had to listen to about her. If she was an omega level, they would've established it when they established Jean, and when they established Bobby. Storm is more popular than both of these characters. That doesn't mean she needs to be an omega level mutant. I HATE that idea more than I hate the idea of her being the resident gardner.

No more retcons Marvel. Keep Storm the way she is. We have enough characters questioning omega levelcy. Bobby: "I have unlimited potential? ARGH, I MUST TRY HARDER!" Elixir: "I have unlimited potential? ARGH, I MUST TRY HARDER!" We don't need Storm spouting out things like this until she becomes Storm the Unstoppable. Because omnipotent characters are the most boring characters EVER.

I already resent the characters who can randomly immune themselves from telepathy. C'mon now, that's retartarus. (Except for Penance. She made sense to have telepathic immunity...)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Cause tapping into the power of a freakin planet and that Goddess of Thunder thingy somehow don't qualify? Come on, CC didn't want her to be labelled Omega, but she totally was prowess-speaking.

Which should be a legit reason to get an invite. Only she didn't. Because.

Edit: Oh, and good call on that telepathy B.S. INDOMITABLE WILL!!!!!!!! :D

[GoingGreen]

Lol, I always connect Storm thinking she's a goddess to her pompous side. Honestly. Who else walks around with that on their mind? "I'm a freaking gawdess, okaaay?" With a Latino accent. I love it.

Regardless of how powerful she is, she doesn't need to be omega. Look at Mags and Polaris. Mags is freakin' AWESOME and doesn't NEED to be omega. Can't she just not need to be?

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

You must've used about the *worst* example ever.

Mags totally is Omega prowess-speaking, lol.

He's basically the vilannous Storm when it comes to how uber awesome and versatile he is.

[GoingGreen]

The point is... they aren't omega, and it's best that way. My opinion. It won't be changing. What EXACTLY would it bring to Storm's character anyway? "Storm, you're omega!" "Okay." *continue's gardening*

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Do you want Storm to be established as an omega-level mutant already?

No.

Do you want the term Omega-Level Mutant finally dropped, ignored, and never referred to again, the pointless piece of 90s cliched garbage that it is?

Yes.

[jmc247]

Didn't Brubaker have Vulcan be almost beyond an Omega level mutant?

[GoingGreen]

That's what he was going for. But I guess Joe Q. was all "doubleya tee eff!" because it's impossible

[Fatguy]

Didn't Brubaker have Vulcan be almost beyond an Omega level mutant?

Yea, he achieved some sort of suck that lies beyond Omega.

I agree with many posters though. They need to ditch the whole classification, it seems only created to have something to write on the old trading cards from back in the 90's.

[Talon X]

The point is... they aren't omega, and it's best that way. My opinion. It won't be changing. What EXACTLY would it bring to Storm's character anyway? "Storm, you're omega!" "Okay." *continue's gardening*

GoingGreen has a point. It's not like it would make any difference if she was an Omega Mutant and wouldn't bring anything to her character.

And besides, wouldn't they have discovered she was an Omega long ago??

[GoingGreen]

And besides, wouldn't they have discovered she was an Omega long ago??

That's what I said! She was just as popular if not more when Bobby and Jean were established.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

And besides, wouldn't they have discovered she was an Omega long ago??

When they've missed a good half dozen other very obvious candidates, apparently not.

[Brian M.]

Didn't Brubaker have Vulcan be almost beyond an Omega level mutant?

Call it the upper limits...like Jean, really no limit to what they can do. Vulcan seems to be able to control energy...is there really a limit to that?

[GoingGreen]

Just because a character is powerful and still growing does NOT mean they are omega. There are thousands of "obvious candidates" that they could've made omega. They picked a very specific few, maybe for a future reason, maybe not.

I was pissed when they made Elixir omega, but then I realized it'd be incredibly interesting to see a brand new mutant, just learning how to control his powers work his way up the food chain. I'm a little upset at the rate he's moving, of course. It's taken Iceman over a decade before he's been really delving into that "unlimited" area.

[jmc247]

When they've missed a good half dozen other very obvious candidates, apparently not.

Certainly.

Wanda and Magneto aren't offically "Omega level mutants" and even though they should be I couldn't care less because I think it is a stupid term to hype characters like the "almost beyond Omega level" junk with Vulcan.

The supposed definition of an Omega level mutant is that they have unlimited potental. Well, I can think of more then a few mutants that have that and I have no interest in having them classified by a stupid term.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg

[LordAllMighty]

And besides, wouldn't they have discovered she was an Omega long ago??

IIRC, Xaiver was the one who came up with the whole Omega BS and at the time, he only had 5 mutant students to base this on.

It also been hint that Storm is a Omega mutant.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7529/possibleomegamutantes9.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=possibleomegamutantes9.jpg)

I fine with Strom being an Omega mutant as long as it doesn't get out of hand like Jean and sometimes Bobby

[GoingGreen]

Well, of course it will get out of hand. That's why the majority wants to see an end to this omega potential garbage. Storm's hint at omega levelcy was in Black Panther. And how lame is that? A very bad title with very lame things happening.

What I don't understand is the classification. Omega is supposed to mean the "last" or "end." In animal world, the Omega member of a pack is the lowest rank. Alpha is the highest, and Beta is the second highest. It would make more sense that Alpha had unlimited potential, Beta was a regular mutant and omega was bound physically and couldn't necessarily change much with their mutations (like Domino or superstrengths, etc.)

[Brian M.]

Storm is a powerful Queen now. She was the sex toy for weasel man, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Khan, Slipstream, Dracula, Forge and they even hinted at a possible thing with Yukio.

Storm has been elevated and exalted. A beautiful BLACK queen of a powerful BLACK nation married to the BLACK PANTHER! It doesn't get any better than that.

And to think that hairy fugly freak weasel man thought he might have a shot :) Rolo is a candy product. That's all it is.

Her being black has nothing to do w/ her character...that's like the 11th thing on a list of ten things that make Ororo a great character.

[Talon X]

Her being black has nothing to do w/ her character...that's like the 11th thing on a list of ten things that make Ororo a great character.

But it was orignal, when she first apperared.

[GoingGreen]

It was at least a stepping stone in the comic world. She was, after all, the first prominant black female character.

But again, that isn't what makes her a great character. (though, I can't stand Storm, personally, but I know when and when not to defend her)

[Talon X]

How many strong woman types were there when she was created? Sue Storm? Jean Grey? Her being black has never been a plot point.

True, there weren't many strong women back then but the fact that she was black and that there were nearly almost no black characters made her stand out and also brought the X-Men many missions in Africa but I do agree with you that it's now not one of the 10 things that makes her great.

[Dagger]

How many strong woman types were there when she was created? Sue Storm? Jean Grey? Her being black has never been a plot point.
Actually, none. She was the first. Sue Storm and Jean Grey were often relegated to being the gf's of the team leader, and were often the weakest members of the team. It wasn't until Claremont changed Jean to Phoenix and Byrne's transformation of Sue from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman and her journey inbetween, did they really begin to change to the strong, independent super-women that they became.

[Brian M.]

Actually, none. She was the first. Sue Storm and Jean Grey were often relegated to being the gf's of the team leader, and were often the weakest members of the team. It wasn't until Claremont changed Jean to Phoenix and Byrne's transformation of Sue from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman and her journey inbetween, did they really begin to change to the strong, independent super-women that they became.

That's what made Storm a great character.

[CE_Rap]

Storm's already ridiculously strong as hell. MAking her OMega would mean---what, she can make a subatomic hurricane in your brain? She could cause a thunderstorm in NY even if she's currently in Wakanda? She could use the clouds as her own personal surveillance system?

not necessary

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

The point is... they aren't omega, and it's best that way. My opinion. It won't be changing. What EXACTLY would it bring to Storm's character anyway? "Storm, you're omega!" "Okay." *continue's gardening*

My point is they're not in NAME.

But their damage/power output is just sick and lightyears above the average Alpha mutant.

Kinda what Omega is all about.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Certainly.

Wanda and Magneto aren't offically "Omega level mutants" and even though they should be I couldn't care less because I think it is a stupid term to hype characters like the "almost beyond Omega level" junk with Vulcan.

The supposed definition of an Omega level mutant is that they have unlimited potental. Well, I can think of more then a few mutants that have that and I have no interest in having them classified by a stupid term.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/Magnetopower.jpg


That excerpt isn't really necessary because if any Omega level gets out of control with a repowered Magneto, they are gonna get humilated or killed. Everyone knows that.

[Brian M.]

That excerpt isn't really necessary because if any Omega level gets out of control with a repowered Magneto, they are gonna get humilated or killed. Everyone knows that.

PIS.

Simple as that. It was pathetic for Morrison to have that fake Magneto kill Jean. A teke of that level should never have even bothered getting close, she could crush Mags 100 yards away.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Yes...for anyone to last a panel without him shutting their powers off.

[Nyssane]

Frenzy is an omega mutant, therefor she is better than Storm. Fact.

[Faded]

I don't like the whole Omega Level thing.

I don't really care for these characters (especially Earth-based) to aspire to some category of power that in the end rarely matters and doesn't make the character any more interesting.

Simplicity is soo underrated these days.

[Brian M.]

Yes...for anyone to last a panel without him shutting their powers off.

Same for her. Like Xavier said, both of them are forces of nature, but her telepathy along w/ her teke is more than enough to fight grandpa magnet.

[Kalen O.]

Frenzy is an omega mutant, therefor she is better than Storm. Fact.

PLAGIARIST!!

[Nyssane]

I don't like the whole Omega Level thing.

I don't really care for these characters (especially Earth-based) to aspire to some category of power that in the end rarely matters and doesn't make the character any more interesting.

Simplicity is soo underrated these days.

Exactly. Why anyone would want any character to be so supremely powerful that they can never face defeat again, I'll never know. I mean, I love friggin' PRISM, the posterboy for failure! Learn from me, folks. LEARN.

[PsiEvent]

Storm does not need to be Omega-level. The title itself needs to be redefined and reapplied if not done away with entirely. Her character and many others are just fine as high level Alphas. Omega's should be extremely rare and involve more than just an straight up power level.

As for Omega being the End or last in Greek, for mutants its kind of the endpoint, you are now a capable host for the Pheonix Force and the like. You don't really get past unlimited, just as you don't get a fraction of infinity.

[jmc247]

PIS.

Simple as that. It was pathetic for Morrison to have that fake Magneto kill Jean. A teke of that level should never have even bothered getting close, she could crush Mags 100 yards away.

Last I checked Magneto fought Phoenix twice.

Twice the Phoenix tried battering Magneto's shields with unimaginable power of all kinds including telekinetic power vastly riviling that of Xavier.

The first time it ended quite badly for the Phoenix, the second time it was a draw because she still couldn't beat through his shields. And, its hard to say it is PIS when both comics were written by the people who created the Phoenix. Claremont of course considers Magneto a being wielding one of the transendental forces of creation just like the Phoenix as he wrote in Excalibur.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f132/jmc247/UncannyX-men-112_14.jpg

[Steven F.]

As to the thread, it is pretty obvious that Storm is an Omega level mutant.

[Karl H]

I don't like the whole Omega Level thing.

I don't really care for these characters (especially Earth-based) to aspire to some category of power that in the end rarely matters and doesn't make the character any more interesting.

Simplicity is soo underrated these days.

This is why I love you.

Huh. I'll have to remember to tell this to all my black cousins. I don't think they got the memo on the whole 1994 deal. From what I recall, we were busy playing X-Men in the living room at the time.

Most of them wanted to be Wolverine by the way.

And as good as Tin's response was, this is better.

I'd love to ret-con punch away the whole Omega issue.

[Uncle Nobs]

Labels are only crude descriptors, to be used for brevity, not accuracy. If we take umbrage to their lack of accuracy, we set ourselves up to be offended by any sensible, facile, respectful summary term.

But some labels just suck because they're intended to hurt or because the purpose of their brevity is only to identify fallacious traits.

Like "Omega".

[GoddessStorm]

I wouldn't want her to become an omega level mutant. As others have stated, she's already very powerful. If she was given omega level status, then I'm afraid she would be able to do things like dissipating a hurricane just by winking and clicking her heels. Now whenever she needs to do such a thing, she has to concentrate, and when she's finished, she's tired. That's what fascinates me about her power; whenever someone else, like Rogue or Emma Frost, tried using her powers in the past, they found that the power was difficult to control.
I guess the reason why I want her to have omega-level power is because, although she is already very powerful, I want her to be a match for the big guys like Magneto, Juggernaut, Phoenix, and well, Wonder Woman.

You guys have convinced me though. I suppose she is just fine being the alpha-level mutant that she currently is. I'd still like her to reach omega-level power but now I'm not crazy about it as I was when I first made this thread.

The X-Men thing is played out for Storm. She is expanding beyond those characters. I want to see Storm grow and evolve. Not be a nursemaid to selfish mutants who didn't appreciate her until she was gone.
Actually, I think it would be wiser to keep her in the X-Men simply because they are more popular than Black Panther and Wakanda. It would sad to have her lose fame and attention over something like marriage and whatnot. Yeah, she should evolve, but that doesn't mean she has to leave the X-Men. In fact, being the X-Men icon/staple that she already is, I simply think it would be wrong if she ever did leave permanently.


Have you ever heard anything about this guy?
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j115/vaskulus/thor_background.jpg
Are you sure he's more popular than her? Thor hardly get publicity outside the comic books. Storm has appeared in more TV shows, video games, and movies than him. The REAL Thor, as in the mythological one, might be more famous, but the comic book Thor is not. I think Storm is more famous and popular than him despite the praise he gets in the comics.


You're a fan of Sindel? Cool. Incidentally, I was playing Mortal Kombat yesterday when I noticed the resemblance between Sindel and Storm. That was mainly whenever Sindel floated, tho. And the hair. Kind of. :)
Yes, I love Sindel, and for the same reasons I love Storm: They both look like goddess with big long hair, they both have highly feminine and strong personalities, and they both have cool, fun, powerful abilities.

Glad to know someone here at least knows of Sindel.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I guess the reason why I want her to have omega-level power is because, although she is already very powerful, I want her to be a match for the big guys like Magneto, Juggernaut, Phoenix, and well, Wonder Woman.

You guys have convinced me though. I suppose she is just fine being the alpha-level mutant that she currently is. I'd still like her to reach omega-level power but now I'm not crazy about it as I was when I first made this thread.


Actually, I think it would be wiser to keep her in the X-Men simply because they are more popular than Black Panther and Wakanda. It would sad to have her lose fame and attention over something like marriage and whatnot. Yeah, she should evolve, but that doesn't mean she has to leave the X-Men. In fact, being the X-Men icon/staple that she already is, I simply think it would be wrong if she ever did leave permanently.



Are you sure he's more popular than her? Thor hardly get publicity outside the comic books. Storm has appeared in more TV shows, video games, and movies than him. The REAL Thor, as in the mythological one, might be more famous, but the comic book Thor is not. I think Storm is more famous and popular than him despite the praise he gets in the comics.



Thor isn't really as mainstream or as popular as Storm. But trust me..Storm having the ability to stop the US and Shield to make arrests or think twice about their actions is a very powerful weapon indeed.

Magneto is only a threat when he is hopped up on a drug, a machine, or another mutant like Cortez or Polaris.

Storm, on the other hand, is always a threat.

That doesn't even make sense. You're watching too many Fox cartoons, kid.

[Kalen O.]

How do you figure Thor isn't as popular as Storm?

Dude has his own movie coming out.

Directed by the oh so awesome director of Layer Cake.

Nuff said.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Dude has his own movie coming out.

Directed by the oh so awesome director of Layer Cake.


Really? Layer Cake rocked, but how the hell did this guy get recruited/asked to direct superhero movies??? :confused:

[Kalen O.]

Really? Layer Cake rocked, but how the hell did this guy get recruited/asked to direct superhero movies??? :confused:

He was originally slated to do X3 actually. Before Ratner. Who err, didn't do any superhero movies before X3 either? Don't get the problem. How does any director get recruited to do superhero movies? Usually, they want the job....

[Nyssane]

Yes, I love Sindel, and for the same reasons I love Storm: They both look like goddess with big long hair, they both have highly feminine and strong personalities, and they both have cool, fun, powerful abilities.

Glad to know someone here at least knows of Sindel.

Sindel was the only redeeming factor of Mortal Kombat: Annihilation, if only because she was played by the GAWGEOUS Musetta Vander.

[Uncle Nobs]

Aside from that, he directed Stardust and A Short Film About John Bolton. He clearly has more than a little interest in comics.

Plus, he humps Claudia Schiffer.

[Optic Rage!]

And as for Storm as an Omega.

GOD NO.

Ain't she enough of a ''Mary Sue'' already? It would damage her in the long term, much in the same way the Phoenix has completely ruined the character of ''Jean Grey'' in many people's eye's.

I am sick to death of these Storm fans who think she is a better thief then Gambit, a better leader then Cyclops, a better fighter then Logan, and better at manipulating the weather then Thor.

People should be a fan of an X-Man for more reasons then how much ass she can kick..thats just terribly shallow and fan-boyish.

Also, Thor is far more popular then Storm...look at the sales figures for his book[100,000] and the sales figures for Storms Min's[20,00]

[Kalen O.]

Aside from that, he directed Stardust and A Short Film About John Bolton. He clearly has more than a little interest in comics.

Plus, he humps Claudia Schiffer.

I know right?

Bastard.

[Christopher O]

Also, Thor is far more popular then Storm...look at the sales figures for his book[100,000] and the sales figures for Storms Min's[20,00]
I'd say Thor's creative team has a great deal to do with that and the fact that Storm's last two minis were about her as a child--you know, before she was a superhero.

I love how Cyclops uberfans are always the ones to react so negatively to Storm. It's like they feel threatened.

[Optic Rage!]

You have a point when it comes to the sale figures, but i really doubt Storm would ever have the fan base to be the #1 selling comic of the month.

I find it rather blatant that Thor is the more popular of the two.

Also, i don't feel threatened by Storm, what is there to feel threatened about?

Do you mean the fact that she is more powerful then Scott? Well, i doubt any serious Cyclops fan would argue with that.

I just find her character quite bland & uninteresting and i haven't been a serious fan since the Mohawk days, were she was by far at her best.

I have respect for her power and her history but i find a section of her fans very very annoying.

i.e The one's that DarthCyclops described.

[Christopher O]

You have a point when it comes to the sale figures, but i really doubt Storm would ever have the fan base to be the #1 selling comic of the month.

I find it rather blatant that Thor is the more popular of the two.
You're probably right. I just think all of the factors should be considered, when making this comparison.


Also, i don't feel threatened by Storm, what is there to feel threatened about?

Do you mean the fact that she is more powerful then Scott? Well, i doubt any serious Cyclops fan would argue with that.

I just find her character quite bland & uninteresting and i haven't been a serious fan since the Mohawk days, were she was by far at her best.

I have respect for her power and her history but i find a section of her fans very very annoying.

i.e The one's that DarthCyclops described.

That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I just wish you boys would find something a little more imagnitive than Mary Sue. It's a silly term and doesn't even apply to Storm.

[Uncle Nobs]

I love Cyclops and Storm.

I hate uberfans who hate one character just because they love another.

I'm iffy on the term "uberfan".

I hate bickering over who's more popular when it's not so easily determined and each character's popularity varies from time to time. Take a worldwide survey to determine this important issue, why don't you?

I hate fans who interpret characters only in terms of what they mean in relation to their own personal issues with the world instead of seeing the entirety of the character.

I hate reducing X-Men to Dragonball-esque video game stats like "Omega".




My hate outwieghs my love today. Brian's mom is in for some hurt.

[Phil Hunn]

That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I just wish you boys would find something a little more imagnitive than Mary Sue. It's a silly term and doesn't even apply to Storm.

How about "terrible, horrible bore whose time on the X-Men was so long only because her biggest fan was writing the book"? She's become all about her powers and there is very little done with the woman behind the bolts of lightning these days.

Her being excised from the X-Men and given a spot on the new FF was the best thing that's been done with the character in a long, long time, but it's a shame she's being written by Reggie Hudlin...

[Christopher O]

I love Cyclops and Storm.
I love them both as well.


I hate uberfans who hate one character just because they love another.

I do too.

I'm iffy on the term "uberfan".
Me too. I regret using it.

I hate bickering over who's more popular when it's not so easily determined and each character's popularity varies from time to time. Take a worldwide survey to determine this important issue, why don't you?
You always make sense. In the end, it doesn't really matter anyway. I'm satisfied as long as I can read good stories about characters I enjoy.

I hate fans who interpret characters only in terms of what they mean in relation to their own personal issues with the world instead of seeing the entirety of the character.
That's a good point. You should start a thread about it. I would participate.

I hate reducing X-Men to Dragonball-esque video game stats like "Omega".
I just don't understand why it matters anyway. It's not like any of the mutants classified as such changed significantly once they received said classification.

My hate outwieghs my love today. Brian's mom is in for some hurt.
My love for you outweighs all. That's why I'm such a yes-man.

[Christopher O]

How about "terrible, horrible bore whose time on the X-Men was so long only because her biggest fan was writing the book"? She's become all about her powers and there is very little done with the woman behind the bolts of lightning these days.

Her being excised from the X-Men and given a spot on the new FF was the best thing that's been done with the character in a long, long time, but it's a shame she's being written by Reggie Hudlin...
I can live with that.

[Brian M.]

I love Cyclops and Storm.

I hate uberfans who hate one character just because they love another.

I'm iffy on the term "uberfan".

I hate bickering over who's more popular when it's not so easily determined and each character's popularity varies from time to time. Take a worldwide survey to determine this important issue, why don't you?

I hate fans who interpret characters only in terms of what they mean in relation to their own personal issues with the world instead of seeing the entirety of the character.

I hate reducing X-Men to Dragonball-esque video game stats like "Omega".




My hate outwieghs my love today. Brian's mom is in for some hurt.

Just be a gentleman and tip well will ya? We's got to eat.

[Optic Rage!]

I love Cyclops and Storm.

I hate uberfans who hate one character just because they love another.

I'm iffy on the term "uberfan".

I hate bickering over who's more popular when it's not so easily determined and each character's popularity varies from time to time. Take a worldwide survey to determine this important issue, why don't you?

I hate fans who interpret characters only in terms of what they mean in relation to their own personal issues with the world instead of seeing the entirety of the character.

I hate reducing X-Men to Dragonball-esque video game stats like "Omega".




My hate outwieghs my love today. Brian's mom is in for some hurt.

Its a shame we cant all be as perfect as you.

cough**Mary-Sue**cough:p

[Brian M.]

The term Mary-Sue should be banned from forums and those who use it castrated...I hate that freaking saying.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'd say Thor's creative team has a great deal to do with that and the fact that Storm's last two minis were about her as a child--you know, before she was a superhero.

I love how Cyclops uberfans are always the ones to react so negatively to Storm. It's like they feel threatened.

No we're not. Pretty much all Cyke fans *know* Storm is more powerful and has more versatile/destructive powers. The leadership debate, I'm not even touching. Still, if Cyke doesn't use a fully powered/enlarged blast and kill her in the first few seconds, the fight's hers when powered. Easily.

Seriously, you don't actually think anybody not having a raging hard-on for Storm (or serious hate-on for Cyke) actually *buys* Claremont's take on that fight in UXM 201, right?

Cyke missing at something suspiciously close to point blank range? TWICE!!!????

That would be like Xavier saying he can't brainwash people with no telepathy resist out of the blue.

And just for the record, Callisto's defeat was just as bad. Oh, and Mags getting owned in UXM 150, was it? See a trend here?

That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. I just wish you boys would find something a little more imagnitive than Mary Sue.

Damnedest thing is, I of all people actually made the effort and switched to variants a la Goddess-Queen-Of-The-Universe and CC's concubine. Is that better? :D

It's a silly term and doesn't even apply to Storm.

Wait, I thought you had gotten OVER it and moved on. You never even aknowledged it to start with? Awwww.

[mr2core]

Wow just wow lol

This thread went from power rankings, to race/culture/religion, back to power rankings in one day, ha. It made for a good read though. Per the subject, I do not care for Storm to be labeled as a Omega or whatever. I just want her to be written well since she's my favorite n all...

[Christopher O]

No we're not. Pretty much all Cyke fans *know* Storm is more powerful and has more versatile/destructive powers. The leadership debate, I'm not even touching. Still, if Cyke doesn't use a fully powered/enlarged blast and kill her in the first few seconds, the fight's hers when powered. Easily.
I didn't even mention this, but I knew you would. ;)

Seriously, you don't actually think anybody not having a raging hard-on for Storm (or serious hate-on for Cyke) actually *buys* Claremont's take on that fight in UXM 201, right?
Plenty of people bought it, actually--in more ways then one. Then again, what do I know? You're the one speaking for everyone who doesn't have a "raging hard-on" for Storm. I assume you spoke to them before you spoke for them. Unfortunately, I didn't. I simply don't have the time to survey all those people. I'm actually amazed that you do.

Cyke missing at something suspiciously close to point blank range? TWICE!!!????

That would be like Xavier saying he can't brainwash people with no telepathy resist out of the blue.
Your bitterness is adorable!

And just for the record, Callisto's defeat was just as bad. Oh, and Mags getting owned in UXM 150, was it? See a trend here?
I'm absolutely following the trend. Storm successfully does something, and you get bitter over it. The trend really isn't hard to spot, but thanks for asking.


Damnedest thing is, I of all people actually made the effort and switched to variants a la Goddess-Queen-Of-The-Universe and CC's concubine. Is that better? :D
It does nothing for your image, but if it makes you feel better...



Wait, I thought you had gotten OVER it and moved on. You never even aknowledged it to start with? Awwww.

Your misuse of the term reflects poorly on you, not on me.

[bluedmighty]

To be honest,

I felt disrespected when Storm was left off of the list.

She was consistantly written as the most powerful member of the X-men untill the late 90's (skipping her De-powement).

To have her surpassed by Bobby "icaeman" Drake, and Elixer just seemed wrong to me.

I'm tired of hearing about how she sucks and is unenteresting.
When the truth is, maybe they can't relate to her.

I'm also tired of hearing that she can't beat anybody of note.
Despite the fact that she has bested several people on panel.

In the begining, I wanted her to listed as Omega so that I could tell those people where to stick it.

But now, I don't even want her to be a mutant.
I'd be happy if we found out some way that her powers are mystical in nature, and have been the whole time (What? Xavier lied to you, so you'd do what he wanted? No.)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Your bitterness is adorable!

Asking you not to be a smarta$$ would be the same as asking me to not be a cynical SOB, eh? :D

I'm absolutely following the trend. Storm successfully does something, and you get bitter over it. The trend really isn't hard to spot, but thanks for asking.

The whole point is the magnitude of said 'something'. You don't hear me whining about her every bloody feat. :rolleyes:

Gotta give you props for not going for the racism/sexism argument, btw. Bravo.

Overpowering Mags isn't exactly your average hero's daily feat and not many heroes without super-strength would beat up Callisto. Oh, wait, CC himself said no one else could, didn't he? And don't get me started on that indomitable will thingy.

Your misuse of the term reflects poorly on you, not on me.

I give up. Cause self-insertion and character pet worship don't come off as the same f****n thing on panel/screen/whatever. Different motive, same result. Cause the later variable obviously never is the one that counts the most. :rolleyes:

God, not aknowledging the insane character pet thingy would be like me saying the 05 and the first batch of Marvel heroes aren't blatant geek fantasy archetypes.

Get this, I'm not.

Bah, neither of us are changing our minds any day soon. I say truce.

[Christopher O]

Asking you not to be a smarta$$ would be the same as asking me to not be a cynical SOB, eh? :D
Probably.

The whole point is the magnitude of said 'something'. You don't hear me whining about her every bloody feat. :rolleyes:

Overpowering Mags isn't exactly your average hero's daily feat and not many heroes without super-strength would beat up Callisto. Oh, wait, CC himself said no one else could, didn't he? And don't get me started on that indomitable will thingy. :rolleyes:
Well, Storm isn't your average hero. She's more powerful than most, which absolutely isn't a knock on any other character. She's just powerful. That's part of the concept. It would be a disservice to the character to downplay her abilities simply because it's Magneto. Besides, it's not like she actually took him out. I will agree that the indomitable will thing got old. I love that Storm is disciplined and strong of will, but it definitely didn't need to be mentioned or used as a plot point every five panels.


I give up. Cause self-insertion and character pet worship don't come off as the same f****n thing on panel/screen/whatever. I kinda know Storm isn't a CC self-insertion. :rolleyes:

God, not aknowledging the insane character pet thingy would be like me saying the 05 and the first batch of Marvel heroes aren't blatant geek fantasy archetypes.

I never said she wasn't a pet character, but that doesn't necessarily make her a (bleh) Mary Sue.

Bah, neither of us are changing our minds any day soon. Truce.
Tone down the condescension and derision, and I'll do the same. Well, I'll try anyway. It's just my nature. Maybe that's why I like Storm so much.

[tangentman]

Actually, none. She was the first. Sue Storm and Jean Grey were often relegated to being the gf's of the team leader, and were often the weakest members of the team. It wasn't until Claremont changed Jean to Phoenix and Byrne's transformation of Sue from the Invisible Girl to the Invisible Woman and her journey inbetween, did they really begin to change to the strong, independent super-women that they became.

Actually, you need to go back and reread the Marvel comics that came out from 1972-1975, Pre-New Team. Independent women popped up before Storm made the scene: Black Widow, Valkyrie, Mantis, Moondragon, Thundra, The Cat (pre-Tigra Greer Nelson), among others. Mantis was one of the first women to hook up with the Avengers AS a "girlfriend first", but radically (and immediately) break out of that mold. She humiliated the assembled Avengers--specifically, Captain America and Thor during her debut--in hand-to-hand combat. Mantis beguiled readers with her ongoing mystery and immediately proved more compelling than boyfriend Swordsman, who was the ACTUAL Avenger. This was NO helpless Wasp/Sue Richards/Scarlet Witch! During the 2 years she appeared in the Avengers, Mantis played the central role in an arc which had lasting historical relevance.

Moondragon immediately followed and, again, set a new precedent by not only being an intelligent, powerful, independent, and gorgeous heroine--but also one who was unlikeable! Again, Moondragon played important roles in major stories of the 70's--Thanos War, the Celestial Madonna arc, the Serpent Crown Affair, the death of Adam Warlock, the Korvac Saga. The first two stories happened BEFORE Storm's debut.

Valkyrie showed up as a "third try" in The Defenders, riding the coat-tails of a minor Enchantress subplot from years past. In short time, she became a major player in the Defenders, even becoming one of the central characters. Don't let the fanboygasms over the Doc Strange/Hulk/Namor Trifecta fool you--it was Valkyrie who served the longest run w/the team.

As much as I love Storm--and the way she shook up Marvel comics so soon after her arrival--you showed a major lack of awareness of Marvel history with that claim.

[Fatguy]

What year did All New X-Men premiere?

[GoddessStorm]

How do you figure Thor isn't as popular as Storm?

Dude has his own movie coming out.

Directed by the oh so awesome director of Layer Cake.

Nuff said.
Oh, so Electra is more popular than Jean Grey simply because she has a movie and Jean Grey doesn't?

One movie doesn't make a difference unless the movie becomes a huge success, which it hasn't because it hasn't even been released yet.

Also, I'm tired of people saying that Storm isn't popular simply because her mini's don't sell. Well, if they made a series of her AS a superhero, going through well-written story plots and interesting, character-developing challenges and fights, maybe her mini's WOULD sell then.

Sadly, she's only had puny mini's about her past and stuff like that, which right off the bat bores people to death since we know her past already. What they are actually selling with that nonsense are only the details of her past. Yeah, that's far more exciting than fighting supervillains, interacting with other superheroes, and going through suspenseful storylines, huh?

Please don't be unfair people. When Storm is given a REAL series or mini series, then you can compare her to well-treated individuals like Thor.

Anyway, how can Thor be a more popular weather-manipulator than Storm if he's hardly known outside the comic books? Storm is promoted heavily through the X-Men, but Thor barely gets any publicity of his own. He usually pops up when some Avenger-related publicity emerges, and that is quite rare.

I'm also tired of hearing that she can't beat anybody of note.
Despite the fact that she has bested several people on panel.

In the begining, I wanted her to listed as Omega so that I could tell those people where to stick it.
Yes, exactly! That's the reason why I want her to be an omega. I'll settle for Alpha, though, I guess, but I'd still like her to reach her established potential.

[tangentman]

What year did All New X-Men premiere?

They debuted May 1975.

[Canemacar]

Anyway, how can Thor be a more popular weather-manipulator than Storm if he's hardly known outside the comic books?

Well, Vol 1 of his ongoing went into the 500's. Thats quite a feat of popularity. Even Uncanny X-men haven't gotten to that point yet.

[CmX]

It would be cool if Storm became omega level so that way she'd be uber powerful and unstoppable and be killed off due to that very same reason ala Jean Grey.

[Christopher O]

It would be cool if Storm became omega level so that way she'd be uber powerful and unstoppable and be killed off due to that very same reason ala Jean Grey.
I wouldn't hold my breath.

[xmanson]

Who gives a shit if she's in some fucking list or whatever?

She's been extremely powerful from day one and 90% of the time she was on the team she was the most powerful member. That's fact, just compare the others around her.

Is she CC's pet character? Yes. Which actually did wonders for her, his first run with the character is what made her my favorite character ever. and one of the best female characters in comics.

Don't really care about what wa done to her after 1992, and her marriage to Panther killed the character to me (Priest wrote her wonderfully, but Hudlin is a disgrace), but i'll always have those years to treasure.

And I'm sorry if all Cyclops gets are writers trying to emasculate or humiliate him. Maybe one day that will change.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I never said she wasn't a pet character, but that doesn't necessarily make her a (bleh) Mary Sue.

Oh. So it all comes down to the fact that CC wasn't a 14 year old girl, I take it? Somewhat of a technicality IMO. Oh well, not enough to save the premise of "80s Storm on the uber rise" in my book, but to each his own, I guess.

Tone down the condescension and derision, and I'll do the same. Well, I'll try anyway. It's just my nature. Maybe that's why I like Storm so much.

Oh dear, that would suck the life force right out of both of us, wouldn't it?

Fine, I'll try. Just because you're a fan rather than a fanboy. And rather cool to talk to, really. We do agree on quite a few things.

Gotta say, though, hardcore crusaders are totally fair game. :D

[CmX]

I wouldn't hold my breath.

I dunno I wouldn't say Storm dying could never happen. Characters like Captain American and Thor have bit it, I wouldn't say Storm ever dying could never happen. Maybe just not NOW due to her being in 40 titles a month at the moment.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It would be cool if Storm became omega level so that way she'd be uber powerful and unstoppable and be killed off due to that very same reason ala Jean Grey.

I'd support that not because I actually want her to die (I don't, I swear, lol), but that would mean Marvel basically saying "Yeah, the whole Goddess crap went way too far and we didn't have the cojones to say NO'.

I dunno I wouldn't say Storm dying could never happen.

The biggest (at the very least one of) non-caucasian Marvel female A-lister getting offed? Please.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Edit. Bah.

[Christopher O]

Oh dear, that would suck the life force right out of both of us, wouldn't it?
It's a possibility. Scary.

Fine, I'll try. Just because you're a fan rather than a fanboy. And rather cool to talk to, really. We do agree on quite a few things.
We do! I even love your favorite character! I rock like that.

Gotta say, though, hardcore crusaders are totally fair game. :D
LOL
You're incorrigible.

[Christopher O]

I dunno I wouldn't say Storm dying could never happen. Characters like Captain American and Thor have bit it, I wouldn't say Storm ever dying could never happen. Maybe just not NOW due to her being in 40 titles a month at the moment.

The biggest (at the very least one of) non-caucasian Marvel female A-lister getting offed? Please.
That's precisely it. Storm is probably the highest profile non-white superhero. I can't see Marvel killing her.

[Brian M.]

Hulk's not white.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

We do! I even love your favorite character! I rock like that.

Well, hey, as I said before, I *do* like old school 'Ro. Kind-hearted powerhouse with a tough streak? I dig.

Just not the whole Goddess thingy. Oh well.


LOL
You're incorrigible.

Ah, come on. Crusaders. That's not me being mean. :D

[Christopher O]

Hulk's not white.
BAITING!!!

[Christopher O]

Well, hey, as I said before, I *do* like old school 'Ro. Kind-hearted powerhouse with a tough streak? I dig.

Just not the whole Goddess thingy. Oh well.
Well, I do dig the goddess-y stuff, but I don't think it has to happen at the expense of everyone else. Morrison, in his one issue, managed a great goddess-y Storm without compromising any of the other characters.


Ah, come on. Crusaders. That's not me being mean. :D
LOL

[Brian M.]

BAITING!!!

Shut up veggy.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Well, I do dig the goddess-y stuff, but I don't think it has to happen at the expense of everyone else. Morrison, in his one issue, managed a great goddess-y Storm without compromising any of the other characters.

Yeah, well, Morrison VS CC. Eh.

Early 130's "sort of" Jean-centric issues, wasn't it? Will have to reread.

Anyway, I'm off. Take it easy.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I've never really commented on it before but what's up with all of this crying and whining about her being favored by Claremont? So what? Where is the whining threads about Thanos being favored by Starlin or Doom getting a retcon out of every loss he has?

[Novaya Havoc]

Where is the whining threads about Thanos being favored by Starlin

... Thanos? He has fans?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Thanos has fans? Have you ever looked around this site? This entire site caters to Thanos more than anybody except Doom probably.

How do you figure Thor isn't as popular as Storm?

Dude has his own movie coming out.

Directed by the oh so awesome director of Layer Cake.

Nuff said.

It took till 2007 to get Thor his own movie..Storm was beating WW in fan voted polls YEARS ago...Storm has been in multiple animated series..has been in video games galore as a playable character...was only behind Magneto and Wolverine in the X-movies....and even with Thor's return and his comic selling high, Storm is in at least 3 different titles every month, not Thor. It's not even a issue. Not even a real comparision. At this site, Thor is very much loved because people love defending overpowered characters but do a worldwide poll in any capacity and Storm is easily the more popular character of the last 25 years.

[Novaya Havoc]

Thanos has fans? Have you ever looked around this site? This entire site caters to Thanos more than anybody except Doom probably.

I practically live in my X-Cres bubble, a place where no one likes Magneto, Storm is a tranny, and everyone's mutually favorite character is Scanner.

And where Dazzler belongs on dlisted.com more than comic book forums.

Ergo, Thanos is wack. Like, wiggidy-wack.

[Crowforge]

Yes, she should already be considered omega level

[Red Orion]

It took till 2007 to get Thor his own movie..Storm was beating WW in fan voted polls YEARS ago...Storm has been in multiple animated series..has been in video games galore as a playable character...was only behind Magneto and Wolverine in the X-movies....and even with Thor's return and his comic selling high, Storm is in at least 3 different titles every month, not Thor. It's not even a issue. Not even a real comparision. At this site, Thor is very much loved because people love defending overpowered characters but do a worldwide poll in any capacity and Storm is easily the more popular character of the last 25 years.

What in the blue hell are you talking about? Storm was freaking wallpaper in the first film and had an only slightly bigger role in X2. She only got a major role in X3 after Berry threatened to walk.

And I bet you if you did take a poll Thor would win purely on his name alone.

And it's rather hypocritical of you to say Thor's only loved because he's "overpowered" when you go and on about how powerful Magneto is and how he'd defeat anybody he went up against.

[Alphaxman]

Storm's already ridiculously strong as hell. MAking her OMega would mean---what, she can make a subatomic hurricane in your brain? She could cause a thunderstorm in NY even if she's currently in Wakanda? She could use the clouds as her own personal surveillance system?

not necessary

Please don't give writers these bad ideas.

She's fine the way she is now. It’s bad enough that most writers don’t handle her powers to the fullest anyway. All they have her doing is whipping up some hurricane winds and throwing some lightning bolts around.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

What in the blue hell are you talking about? Storm was freaking wallpaper in the first film and had an only slightly bigger role in X2. She only got a major role in X3 after Berry threatened to walk.

And I bet you if you did take a poll Thor would win purely on his name alone.

And it's rather hypocritical of you to say Thor's only loved because he's "overpowered" when you go and on about how powerful Magneto is and how he'd defeat anybody he went up against.

Not in 2007 he wouldn't. Saying Thor is more popular than Storm is like saying Green Lantern is more popular than Batman.

Wall paper? McKellan, Jackson, Stewart, and Halle Berry are the top stars of the 3 movies. They got top billing. Not anyone else. Her scenes were what was used to advertise the movie behind the Magneto/Xavier interaction and Wolverine action scenes.

And my defense of Magneto is based on his character and his tactical stragedy. Not anything power based. The powers I speak of him are canon.

[Camron Amaya]

Not in 2007 he wouldn't. Saying Thor is more popular than Storm is like saying Green Lantern is more popular than Batman.

Wall paper? McKellan, Jackson, Stewart, and Halle Berry are the top stars of the 3 movies. They got top billing. Not anyone else. Her scenes were what was used to advertise the movie behind the Magneto/Xavier interaction and Wolverine action scenes.

And my defense of Magneto is based on his character and his tactical stragedy. Not anything power based. The powers I speak of him are canon.

Storm is now as popular as Batman?

[Red Orion]

Not in 2007 he wouldn't. Saying Thor is more popular than Storm is like saying Green Lantern is more popular than Batman.

You'll notice I said by name alone as in more people around the world know the name Thor, God of Thunder, from books, manga, cartoons, movies, music and television then Storm.


And my defense of Magneto is based on his character and his tactical stragedy. Not anything power based. The powers I speak of him are canon.



Is that why you've argued that he'll never be defeated? Or that he'd defeat every member of the Avengers at the same time (except Thor and Wanda)?

[Camron Amaya]

You'll notice I said more well-known and by name alone as in more people around the world know the name Thor, God of Thunder, from books, manga, cartoons, movies, music and television then Storm.


Yea even just mythology. Just like some names like Zeus or Hercules are just general things most people have heard of at one point or another.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Storm is now as popular as Batman?

According to you, I guess.

Is that why you've argued that he'll never be defeated? Or that he'd defeat every member of the Avengers at the same time (except Thor and Wanda)?

With prep time, Magneto would embarass the Avengers like he did in Dark Seduction. It's canon.

[bluedmighty]

Storm's already ridiculously strong as hell. MAking her OMega would mean---what, she can make a subatomic hurricane in your brain? She could cause a thunderstorm in NY even if she's currently in Wakanda? She could use the clouds as her own personal surveillance system?
not necessary

Please don't give writers these bad ideas.

She's fine the way she is now. It’s bad enough that most writers don’t handle her powers to the fullest anyway. All they have her doing is whipping up some hurricane winds and throwing some lightning bolts around.

I don't see how those are bad ideas.

Any number of characters (Bobby, Eric, Lorna, Sue, Exoduss, The Greys, Vulcan, etc.) can control energy on a Sub-atomic level and can use thier powers on human phisiology.

I think it would be an AWESOME development if she could ACTUALLY back up all the smack she talks.

Though many people complain about Hudlin, him and Mcduffie seem to be the only ones willing to explore her potential.



As far as popularity is concerned please consider:

Among everything else mentioned above, Storm is the ONLY (first) heroine to have her own ride at a major theme park. Among the likes of Spidey and The Hulk.

It's not really fair to the argument to include Thor's Norse mythology as the character and the legiond are VERY different.

Though Thor is Iconic, there is a slight difference between Iconic and Popular.

If placed in the proper context (Comic adventures, TV shows, Movies, Collectables, Merchandise) recognition goes to Storm.

[MartinRedmond]

I think Storm and Thor should marry because they both control lightning. I am going to write a mini series shoe horning my bad idea into being the truth that's been there all along. Just wait and see k.

[Christopher O]

Storm and Thor would be a hot couple. Plus, Storm was briefly an Asgardian Thunder Goddess with her own hammer! She already has an in!

[Steven F.]

Storm and Thor would make sure sense than Storm and Black Panther ever will.

[Fatguy]

Wall paper? McKellan, Jackson, Stewart, and Halle Berry are the top stars of the 3 movies. They got top billing. Not anyone else. Her scenes were what was used to advertise the movie behind the Magneto/Xavier interaction and Wolverine action scenes.

Halle Berry was used to promote the movies, yes, but Storm was a COMPLETE waste in the first movie. She contributed nothing but some horrible dialogue. Most scenes she was just...there.

[Christopher O]

Halle wasn't a good fit for the character. She doesn't have the chops for it.

[GoingGreen]

The role really f***ed her carreer, too, imo. She went from A-Lister to pathetic because of the tantrum she threw over lines.

And the added scenes she was given in X-3? She lost to a horrible, teen rendition of Callisto for a while, and everytime she opened her mouth, anything she said could've been replaced by any other actress.

[Steven F.]

Halle did not throw a tantrum people.

[Christopher O]

Halle did not throw a tantrum people.
LOL
Yeah, all she did was push for a part that wasn't superfluous. She may not be very good, but I don't see how anyone can fault her for wanting a worthwhile part.

[GoingGreen]

Halle: "I WANT A BIGGER PART! I AM SO IMPORTANT!"

Sounds like a tantrum to me.

[Christopher O]

Halle: "I WANT A BIGGER PART! I AM SO IMPORTANT!"

Sounds like a tantrum to me.
Which isn't what she said at all...

[Brian M.]

Halle would have been good if she would have had a love interest...say Forge...played by Billy Bob Thorton.

Forge: I've come up w/ a device to stop Phoenix!

Beast: Excellent...lets all suit up and go!

Storm: MAKE ME FEEEEL GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!

[Fatguy]

Halle would have been good if she would have had a love interest...say Forge...played by Billy Bob Thorton.

Forge: I've come up w/ a device to stop Phoenix!

Beast: Excellent...lets all suit up and go!

Storm: MAKE ME FEEEEL GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD!!!

LOL

BTW, I neevr hard anything about Berry bitching about getting more lines. Is that a fact or an assumption? Either way, its hard to blame her. As I said before, they were doing nothing with the character.

[GoingGreen]

Fact. What I said earlier was a joke. Apparently some people can't handle that. *shrugs* personal issues.

[Christopher O]

Fact. What I said earlier was a joke. Apparently some people can't handle that. *shrugs* personal issues.
It didn't seem like a joke at all, and you should probably worry about your own issues, not anyone elses.

[GoingGreen]

Why are you so nervous that I'm teasing Halle Berry? Like it's really the end of the world. She won four Razzies for Catwoman for Christ's sake. C'mon, now.

[jarrod]

Back on topic, Alan Davis also hinted Storm may be an Omega in his Ages of Apocalypse story.

[tetragene]

Wasn't Angela Basset originally approached for the part but she turned it down? I think she would have been phenomenal--she can pull of commanding, strong women very well. Alternatively, Nona Gaye would have been really great as Storm too.

[jarrod]

Wasn't Angela Basset originally approached for the part but she turned it down? I think she would have been phenomenal--she can pull of commanding, strong women very well. Alternatively, Nona Gaye would have been really great as Storm too.
I heard Singer wanted her but FOX wanted a "bigger name". Real shame, Basset *is* Storm.

Wish we woulda gotten Sigourney as Emma too... could've been an epic showdown there.

[GoingGreen]

Sigourney rocks, and on another forum, a lot of people hated the idea of her as Emma because she's older, but c'mon... Look at her in that Galaxy Quest movie! She looked better than most 25 year olds, and she was rounding 50, or something.

[Christopher O]

Why are you so nervous that I'm teasing Halle Berry? Like it's really the end of the world. She won four Razzies for Catwoman for Christ's sake. C'mon, now.
I'm not nervous about you teasing Halle Berry. I posted my own criticism of her right before you posted your BS about her throwing a tantrum. I just don't see the point in that kind of thing.

Wasn't Angela Basset originally approached for the part but she turned it down? I think she would have been phenomenal--she can pull of commanding, strong women very well. Alternatively, Nona Gaye would have been really great as Storm too.
Angela would have been incredible.

[xmanson]

Sharon Stone would have made a great Emma back in the day.

[GoingGreen]

I'm not nervous about you teasing Halle Berry. I posted my own criticism of her right before you posted your BS about her throwing a tantrum. I just don't see the point in that kind of thing.

Then why respond to me at all? If it's pointless, ignore me. I make no impact in your life.

End.

And yes, Sharon Stone practically WAS Emma in Catwoman... even if a little clownish.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Halle Berry was used to promote the movies, yes, but Storm was a COMPLETE waste in the first movie. She contributed nothing but some horrible dialogue. Most scenes she was just...there.

That's not how fans saw it for most reviews. This forum? Sure..they hated Halle and complained...but there was no turning on her at conventions or anything like that. The thing is that she was part of the promotion and the movies opened up to record openings.

[Christopher O]

Then why respond to me at all? If it's pointless, ignore me. I make no impact in your life.
Why don't you just ignore me? If you're spreading false information, and I decide I want to say something about it, I will say something about.

End.
Well, it came from you, so it must be so, right? I mean, you have such a great track record with that sort of thing.

[Hi-Fi]

It should have been Angela Basset. Or Firefly's Gina Torres!! I heart her so much.

Though I'd prefer her as a badass Frenzy.

Anyway, I do remember reading about Halle being all "I wont come back if Storm doesn't become a main character." Yep, it's totally justifiable that she'd ask that, but she did come up with this condition to return.

[Fatguy]

That's not how fans saw it for most reviews. This forum? Sure..they hated Halle and complained...but there was no turning on her at conventions or anything like that. The thing is that she was part of the promotion and the movies opened up to record openings.

Just on a side note, I didnt actually hate Halle Berry in X-Men. Although she wasn't very good, I thought the main problem was that the character Storm was poorly written. Lines like:

"You know what happens when a Toad is struck with lightning? Same thing as everything else."

Unless Berry wrote that in, I think its the writer/s who let us down ;)

[GoingGreen]

Why don't you just ignore me? If you're spreading false information, and I decide I want to say something about it, I will say something about.

I wasn't spreading false information. It was a clear joke on MY end. Just because I didn't put a laughy face after it, or an LOL or any of those other indications doesn't make it any less of a joke. Like Kathy Griffin poking fun at Dakota Fanning on the red carpet. Clear as day joke. She gets in trouble for it?

EDIT: And again, you claimed my post had no point. So, one would assume that pointless post should be ignored. So clearly, it mussn't have been pointless, eh? ;)


Well, it came from you, so it must be so, right? I mean, you have such a great track record with that sort of thing.

Well it would've been the end, because I figured you were done lecturing me about how UTTERLY and HORRENDOUSLY wrong I was. And what? You're stalking my posts, now? And what EXACT track record are you referring to? 'Cause honestly, I generally stick to my word. In this case, however, you've instigated a continuance.

[Christopher O]

I wasn't spreading false information. It was a clear joke on MY end. Just because I didn't put a laughy face after it, or an LOL or any of those other indications doesn't make it any less of a joke. Like Kathy Griffin poking fun at Dakota Fanning on the red carpet. Clear as day joke. She gets in trouble for it?
It wasn't clearly a joke, at all. Everything would've been find had you not thrown out backhanded insults when you clarified that it was in fact a joke.



Well it would've been the end, because I figured you were done lecturing me about how UTTERLY and HORRENDOUSLY wrong I was.
Is exagerration just something you do for fun, or is it a compulsion?

And what? You're stalking my posts, now?
LOL
More exagerration! I'm so surprised!

And what EXACT track record are you referring to? 'Cause honestly, I generally stick to my word. In this case, however, you've instigated a continuance.
I was referring to your apparent belief that by declaring something to be so it is so.

"Halle Berry threw a tantrum!"

"End!"

Please, try again.

[GoingGreen]

I have an exaggerated personality, actually. I am an honor student, after all. (Love Hard Candy).

Stalking my posts comment: About you discussing my "track record." My interpretation... you were bringing up other instances, which I had no idea what you were referring to. As for "my word goes" in my world, no. Again, the Halle Berry thing was a joke, and I don't need to express that anymore.

However, I see no reason for further interaction. You don't understand my awkward and extravagantly exaggerated sense of humor. I get defensive when lectured over a joke. It just seems to be heading in a bad direction, and there's no reason for us to be rude to each other.

[jarrod]

Sigourney rocks, and on another forum, a lot of people hated the idea of her as Emma because she's older, but c'mon... Look at her in that Galaxy Quest movie! She looked better than most 25 year olds, and she was rounding 50, or something.
She'd have been wonderful... honestly though, I'd prefer Emma being played by an older established actress versus some new thing twentysomething. She should be set up as more of Xaiver's peer anyway.

[Christopher O]

However, I see no reason for further interaction.
there's no reason for us to be rude to each other.
These are statements I can get behind.

[ChemicalReaction]

I'd rather Storm be established as a transexual ;)

[GoingGreen]

She'd have been wonderful... honestly though, I'd prefer Emma being played by an older established actress versus some new thing twentysomething. She should be set up as more of Xaiver's peer anyway.

Exactly! Originally, comic wise, she was portrayed as a more experienced woman, anyway. She was even sporting hints of wrinkles, or maybe that was just my interpretation of the art. She seemed more equivolent of Xavier than of Summers-part-one.

EDIT: @Dues ex Chris: *nods* I'm glad we can come to SOME understanding, then. Lol.

[Christopher O]

I'd rather Storm be established as a transexual ;)
Welcome to the club! I'm pretty sure Storm's secondary mutation is to move between sexually ambiguous nurturer, fabulous Drag Queen and/or Tranny, and hardcore lesbian.

[GoingGreen]

Welcome to the club! I'm pretty sure Storm's secondary mutation is to move between sexually ambiguous nurturer, fabulous Drag Queen and/or Tranny, and hardcore lesbian.

She does where a c***-ring on her stomach, after all.

(sorry, that was just a perfect opening.)

On the Angela Besset comments. I keep thinking Angela Basset, who I love, but is a white English woman that would be more fitting for a Selene that hadn't absorbed anyone in a few years. Lol

[Christopher O]

You never know when you might need a c*** ring.

[Fatguy]

I have to be the one to say it....I cant stand Angela Basset. She looks like the kind of woman who can beat me up, and it freaks me out.

[GoingGreen]

That's because... she COULD beat you up. Just with a snappy glare. Makes her PERFECT for Selene. Anyone see her recent portrayal in Nip/Tuck? She was so spicy.

[ChemicalReaction]

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7788/iman28.jpg ...!!

[Phil Hunn]

I have to be the one to say it....I cant stand Angela Basset. She looks like the kind of woman who can beat me up, and it freaks me out.

Nah, that's more Grace Jones' schtick. That woman is hardcore...

[GoddessStorm]

Well, Vol 1 of his ongoing went into the 500's. Thats quite a feat of popularity. Even Uncanny X-men haven't gotten to that point yet.
Are you talking about sales? Because from what I know, X-Men vol 1 is the biggest selling comic book in history, with over 8 million copies sold.

Either way, you have to understand that because Thor doesn't get as much publicity as Storm, he simply can't be more popular.

Do you think Blink has a chance against Rogue? No way, because hardly anyone knows Blink except for comic book readers.

Characters might be popular among comic book readers, but ultimately, it's television, games, and movies that turn characters into stars. Do you believe Batman would be an icon to this day if ihe hadn't received a single cartoon or film in his name?

My point is, Storm has been in lots of different cartoons, games, and movies, most of which have been highly successful. How can Thor compete with that or any other top members of the X-Men if he hardly gets any attention outside the books?

Sure, around here, Storm might lose to a poll against Thor. Who knows. But go to your local public high school and announce or show the characters, I guarantee half won't even know who Thor is.

[Canemacar]

Are you talking about sales? Because from what I know, X-Men vol 1 is the biggest selling comic book in history, with over 8 million copies sold.

X-men Vol 1 also had several variant covers, Wolverine, Jim Lee art, and a speculator market-boost. Storm had little to do with it.

Either way, you have to understand that because Thor doesn't get as much publicity as Storm, he simply can't be more popular.

Cable is the second most successful X-man out there, was second only to Wolverine for most of the 90's, and hasn't been in the movies or the cartoons except for a one/two episode cameo.

My point is, Storm has been in lots of different cartoons, games, and movies, most of which have been highly successful. How can Thor compete with that or any other top members of the X-Men if he hardly gets any attention outside the books?

The Avengers is Marvel's top franchise. They're the ones getting top billing and all the focus of Marvel's ad campaigns. Thor is one of the Big Three of the Avengers.

Sure, around here, Storm might lose to a poll against Thor. Who knows. But go to your local public high school and announce or show the characters, I guarantee half won't even know who Thor is.

Thor would win based on the recognition of the name Thor alone. He even has a day of the week named after him (Thor's day = Thursday)

[Alphaxman]

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/7788/iman28.jpg ...!!

This is the reason why she will always be my pick to play Storm. Put a long white wig on her and that would be something 70's Storm would do.

[Dagger]

Plus Thor was worshipped by that girl in Adventures in Babysitting, and she thought a blond Vincent D'Onfreo(sp?) was Thor!

[LordAllMighty]

Thor would win based on the recognition of the name Thor alone. He even has a day of the week named after him (Thor's day = Thursday)

Nice try but no.

Most kids have no idea who Thor is, let alone the Thor from Marvel comics.

Also, most kids don't even know or care that Thursday was named after Thor.

Like GoddessStorm said, go to your local school and hold up a picture of a black woman with white hair and lightning behind her and see how many students call her “Storm”.

Now take out a picture of an over-muscled white man with blond hair, holding a hammer with lightning behind him and see how many students call him “Thor”.

[GoingGreen]

In today's youth, Thor is less popular. But... 15 years ago, or maybe a little longer... before TAS came out, Thor was hella more popular. I remember kids having Thor lunchboxes and things in kindergarten.

With the X-Men movies, and the cartoons, Storm's popularity is higher. Not everyone LIKES her (look at Evolution... who could like that version of her? "It's time you find out why they call me STOOORM!" *boo!*), but she's more recognizable to youths, I'm sure. However, when I was a youngster, I so would've known Thor before Storm, and same with my friends.

[dellicious]

i'm a huge storm fan, but i feel some of you are way over rating her in terms of popularity and power

[Omega Alpha]

In today's youth, Thor is less popular. But... 15 years ago, or maybe a little longer... before TAS came out, Thor was hella more popular. I remember kids having Thor lunchboxes and things in kindergarten.

With the X-Men movies, and the cartoons, Storm's popularity is higher. Not everyone LIKES her (look at Evolution... who could like that version of her? "It's time you find out why they call me STOOORM!" *boo!*), but she's more recognizable to youths, I'm sure. However, when I was a youngster, I so would've known Thor before Storm, and same with my friends.

Thor is popular enough to have a solo being the top-selling comic of the month, ahead of Justice League, World War Hulk, New Avengers, etc. He's also going to have his own solo movie. He is more popular than Storm.

[Gene M.]

I have to be the one to say it....I cant stand Angela Basset. She looks like the kind of woman who can beat me up, and it freaks me out.

Nah, that's more Grace Jones' schtick. That woman is hardcore...
Eh. I'd do 'em both.

[GoddessStorm]

X-men Vol 1 also had several variant covers, Wolverine, Jim Lee art, and a speculator market-boost. Storm had little to do with it.
I suppose niether did Gambit, Jean, Cyclops, and Rogue, right? Please understand that the X-Men are a team. Storm had fans, Gambit had fans, Jubilee had fans, all of which contributed to the number of sales. I know it was not all thanks to Storm, but she's one of the X-Men's top members. I guarantee you that if Wolverine would have been the only hero, it would not have sold as much.

Cable is the second most successful X-man out there, was second only to Wolverine for most of the 90's, and hasn't been in the movies or the cartoons except for a one/two episode cameo.
Cable? He's hardly known outside the comics. How is he anymore popular than Omega Red?


The Avengers is Marvel's top franchise. They're the ones getting top billing and all the focus of Marvel's ad campaigns. Thor is one of the Big Three of the Avengers.
I have no clue where you get this idea from. Sure, in the comic books they're huge, but in superior media like TV and films, they're nobodies.

Storm is one of the Big Four of the X-Men, yet how come you give her no credit considering that X-Men are far more popular than the Avengers?


Thor would win based on the recognition of the name Thor alone. He even has a day of the week named after him (Thor's day = Thursday)
You've got to be joking about the "Thursday" thing. Who's aware of the mythological Thor anyway? Zues is the real famous thunder god, not Thor.

[LordAllMighty]

Thor is popular enough to have a solo being the top-selling comic of the month, ahead of Justice League, World War Hulk, New Avengers, etc..

How long do you think his comic can sustains those levels of sells? After a year, do you really think he will still be in the top 20 in sells?

He's also going to have his own solo movie..

Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how well the Hulk and Iron Man movie do in theaters. If they don't do well, it more then likely we won't see a Thor movie.

Personally, I can see the potential of a Thor movie but I think it going to be an uphill battle to get people interested in it.

Sadly, I think the market has become slight over saturated with comic book movies and if the title of the movie doesn't start with X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman or even Hellboy, then it's more then likely that the film will be a flop.:(

He is more popular than Storm.

No, he's not. Let look at actual facts

As a member of the X-Men, Storm regularly appears in comics, movie, video games, trading cards, cartoons and has a theme ride in Florida, plus other stuff I've forgot.

Vs.

Thor appears in comics, trading cards, cartoon from the 60's and make a couple of appearances in video games.

Who do you think it more popular?;)

[GoddessStorm]

No, he's not. Let look at actual facts

As a member of the X-Men, Storm regularly appears in comics, movie, video games, trading cards, cartoons and has a theme ride in Florida, plus other stuff I've forgot.

Vs.

Thor appears in comics, trading cards, cartoon from the 60's and make a couple of appearances in video games.

Who do you think is more popular?;)

I concur, and not just because I'm a huge Storm fan. That is simply the truth. And she's not just a member of the X-Men, she's a prominent member of the X-Men. In addition to that, X-Men entertainment sales greatly, so she's more recognizable to the general public (her distinct appearance helps).

[GoingGreen]

Well, if Thor is getting his OWN MOVIE (I guarentee you, Storm won't have her own movie, anytime soon)... as soon as that's out, we'll be seeing an assload of Thor paraphenalia, including a game for the movie... meaning a game all about Thor. So... let's just wait and see what's going down in the next two years. One movie can completely change the popularity of a character. Period.

[Omega Alpha]

Are you talking about sales? Because from what I know, X-Men vol 1 is the biggest selling comic book in history, with over 8 million copies sold.

No offense, but use as an example of how Storm is popular a comic in which Storm was only a guest star who didn't do much, and had 900 reasons to sell that much very estabilished and known by anyone that follow comics clearly shows you're trying waaaaaay to hard to prove your point, to say the least.

How long do you think his comic can sustains those levels of sells? After a year, do you really think he will still be in the top 20 in sells?

If JMS or another big name writer is on, it's likely. And even if he leaves, still doesn't change the fact you could have Bendis with Cassaday on a Storm solo and it still wouldn't get her anywhere close that, and she can't have an ongoing. In fact, none of the books she appeared in the last 7 years or so was ever a #1 book, and since she joined X-treme X-men, she was never a regular in a top 10 book.



Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how well the Hulk and Iron Man movie do in theaters. If they don't do well, it more then likely we won't see a Thor movie.


No, we will see a Thor movie even if both are a failure. Marvel studios won't close because of one movie not being a hit. Which will not happen, specially with Iron Man.



Sadly, I think the market has become slight over saturated with comic book movies and if the title of the movie doesn't start with X-Men, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman or even Hellboy, then it's more then likely that the film will be a flop.:(

Yeah, because Hellboy is more popular than Thor:rolleyes: And which other comic book movies were made? Let's see Hulk- didn't do that well, but that's because most people disliked (i have no idea why). Daredevil- same thing. Ghost Rider- box-office hit, and that's it.


No, he's not. Let look at actual facts

As a member of the X-Men, Storm regularly appears in comics, movie, video games, trading cards, cartoons and has a theme ride in Florida, plus other stuff I've forgot.

Vs.

Thor appears in comics, trading cards, cartoon from the 60's and make a couple of appearances in video games.

Who do you think it more popular?;)

I think that the character who is able to have his own series for over 40 years, and with it never being cancelled due to bad sales, whose comic was able to be the top-selling book on the market, ahead of even the year's big event, and was an important presence in the top-selling comic miniseries of the last 10 years even dead, is the more popular character.

[jarrod]

Actually, I think there's a few X-Men beyond Storm that are likely/possible Omegas...

-Cable
-Magma
-Meggan
-Quentin Quire

...and pre-decimation I'd also add...

-Polaris
-Dani Moonstar
-Chamber

[LordAllMighty]

Well, if Thor is getting his OWN MOVIE (I guarentee you, Storm won't have her own movie, anytime soon)... as soon as that's out, we'll be seeing an assload of Thor paraphenalia, including a game for the movie... meaning a game all about Thor. So... let's just wait and see what's going down in the next two years. One movie can completely change the popularity of a character. Period.

Yeah, just look at what Catwoman and Electra movies did for them.;)

I'm joking here.

[GoddessStorm]

I think that the character who is able to have his own series for over 40 years, and with it never being cancelled due to bad sales, whose comic was able to be the top-selling book on the market, ahead of even the year's big event, and was an important presence in the top-selling comic miniseries of the last 10 years even dead, is the more popular character.
Again, if he's hardly known and recognizable outside the comics, how can he possibly be more popular?

You're equating comic book popularity with universal popularity, and that's just senseless. There is more to superheroes stars than just comic books.

Storm has been a part of successful and superior media than just comic books (television shows, several films, video games, etc) and continues to be so.

Thor will have a movie, but that doesn't mean he'll become a popular figure. Hulk had a movie and he is not popular because of it. In fact, I don't even think the movie helped his iconic-ness at all.

Anyway, Thor's movie is years from today. As of today, it's safe to say that Storm is more popular than him. He's a nodody outside the books. How can't you see that?

[jarrod]

Storm's a hugely influential, recognizable and popular heroine.... I'd say from the 1980s on she's definitely ahead of Thor in that regard.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I still have NO IDEA where this wild theory of "Thor being more popular" than Storm is coming from. Thor is JUST NOW getting a big push from Marvel after being sidetracked for years and being behind Cap and everyone else. Storm is one of the quiessential X-Men. Jean Grey dies but she doesn't. Wolverine leaves after getting crippled by Magneto but Storm remains. X-Men come and go yet Storm is always consistently there. She remains alive in all the X-movies while Jean, Cyclops, and Xavier are killed off. I mean...come on.

i'm a huge storm fan, but i feel some of you are way over rating her in terms of popularity and power

Not really, honey. Thor as popular as Storm? We're talking about THOR here? Think about that for a minute....and Cable is the second most popular X-Man out there? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! What is this backwards mindset coming from?

[GoingGreen]

Actually, I think there's a few X-Men beyond Storm that are likely/possible Omegas...

-Cable
-Magma
-Meggan
-Quentin Quire

...and pre-decimation I'd also add...

-Polaris
-Dani Moonstar
-Chamber

Word. Except I'd replace Meggan for Magneto. Meggan isn't a mutant. She's a different species.

[jarrod]

Word. Except I'd replace Meggan for Magneto. Meggan isn't a mutant. She's a different species.
No, Meggs is definitely a mutant... it's Betsy that's not. ;)


Magneto and Xaiver are both in the "iffy" category imo. Going of just their shown abilities, I'd say both probably are Omegas... though I think on panel both have been confirmed not to be. :/

[GoingGreen]

Meggan isn't a mutant. She's like a fairy or something. Hence her connection to the Outworld or whatever, and the extreme diversity of her powers. Empathy, natural elements, electricity, other random energy forms, metamorphosing. You can't even ask what her "power" is, because she has so many.

[LordAllMighty]

If JMS or another big name writer is on, it's likely.

So, it’s the writers, not the character that sell books now. Thor as a character plays no part in this equation, well according to you. Interesting.


And even if he leaves, still doesn't change the fact you could have Bendis with Cassaday on a Storm solo and it still wouldn't get her anywhere close that, and she can't have an ongoing.

You don't know that as fact? I’m sure if I put Jim Lee and Mark Miller on any book it will sell like hot cakes. According to you the only thing that matters is the writer and the artist.


In fact, none of the books she appeared in the last 7 years or so was ever a #1 book, and since she joined X-treme X-men, she was never a regular in a top 10 book.

Really, so Uncanny X-Men in the number 10 spot for August means nothing to you.

http://www.newsarama.com/marketreport/aug07sales.html

Should I look farther back for you


No, we will see a Thor movie even if both are a failure. Marvel studios won't close because of one movie not being a hit. Which will not happen, specially with Iron Man.

I really would like to see your crystal ball


Yeah, because Hellboy is more popular than Thor:rolleyes:

As of right now, yes he is. Hellboy has a movie that apparently did well in the theaters, which puts him above Thor in the public eye. AAMOF, their talking about a Hellboy 2 movie

And which other comic book movies were made? Let's see Hulk- didn't do that well, but that's because most people disliked (i have no idea why). Daredevil- same thing. Ghost Rider- box-office hit, and that's it.

Let see since 2000

Spider-Man $821,708,551
Spider-Man 2 $783,766,341
Spider- Man 3 $890,467,037
Batman $371,853,783
Superman $391,081,192
X-Men $296,250,053
X-Men 2 $407,557,613
X-Men 3 $459,256,008
Fantastic Four $330,120,875
Fantastic Four 2 $279,049,633
Hellboy $99,318,987
Ghost Rider $228,738,393
Daredevil $179,179,718
Catwoman $82,102,379
Elektra $56,681,566
V for Vendetta $132,511,035
Blade 2 $155,010,032
Blade 3 $128,905,366
Hulk $245,360,480
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen $179,265,204
300 $456,068,181

That’s 21 off the top of my head and I think I’m still forgetting a few...

I think that the character who is able to have his own series for over 40 years, and with it never being cancelled due to bad sales,

Exactly, where was Thor for 2 years? What I find funny about this statement is that Thor been around for over 40 years but doesn't even appear in half the stuff Storm does.

whose comic was able to be the top-selling book on the market, ahead of even the year's big event,

That’s nice.

and was an important presence in the top-selling comic miniseries of the last 10 years even dead, is the more popular character.

Which top-selling storyline are you talking about? I bet you, Storm was in the same book.

[Phil Hunn]

Thor is popular enough to have a solo being the top-selling comic of the month, ahead of Justice League, World War Hulk, New Avengers, etc. He's also going to have his own solo movie. He is more popular than Storm.

That, and he actually still has worshippers in the real world.

Eh. I'd do 'em both.

You are a dead man, then. They'd snap you in half before the foreplay was over ;)

You've got to be joking about the "Thursday" thing. Who's aware of the mythological Thor anyway? Zues is the real famous thunder god, not Thor.

I'm afraid he isn't joking. Thursday is indeed named after Thor.

[Don Quixote]

I'm afraid he isn't joking. Thursday is indeed named after Thor.

Yup. All the weekdays are named after Norse gods, or Saxon/Germanic variations of them:

Monday - Mani
Tuesday - Tyr
Wednesday - Woden/Odin
Thursday - Thor
Fri