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Magik_Soul_Sword
09-18-2007, 08:55 PM
Dies in MC, I think its a dumb move. Hes originial 5, No need to kill him when Jean already died. They would be depleting the First 5

frog
09-18-2007, 09:29 PM
If Beast does die in the upcoming event I'll be very unhappy. However I'm expecting him to undergo some sort of major change, either mentally, physically or both. He could possibly be the traitor in the X-Men as he's already started some rather shady activity.

Endangered Species has been more than hinting that Beast is slipping towards a darker aspect, not only in his dealings with questionable characters such as Dark Beast, but in his own actions and statements as he becomes increasingly frustrated. In the last chapter he goes as far as to state that he cured the Legacy Virus (which isn't entirely true as he was relying on Dr. Moira's work), denigrates Forge's work, refuses his further help and knocks poor Forge down - very out of Beast's usual measured and diplomatic character. All this has lead me to wonder if he's managed to keep his actions hidden from the rest of the X-Men as E.S. is supposed to have occurred before the current X-Men arc.

Beast's personality seems to be almost overtaken by that of Dark Beast, apart from the cruel humor that Dark Beast displays. Even the art in E.S. indicates this, with Beast wearing a trench coat in his trip to Mutant Town and the hologram of Dark Beast looming over his shoulder in Forge's lab.

Since Marvel has been soliciting fan opinion on the best physical form for Beast I've been wondering if this may be resolved by somehow merging both Beast and Dark Beast. That would certainly make for an interesting story but many fans, including me, miss Hank's more carefree personality. It would be ironic to go to Beast's prior form but not the personality.


So how do those of you following E.S. think Beast will turn out at the end?

Harlock
09-18-2007, 09:37 PM
Dies in MC, I think its a dumb move. Hes originial 5, No need to kill him when Jean already died. They would be depleting the First 5

Wait, wait, wait. The speculation that he might die is based upon...?

If anything he would sacrifice himself (despite Dark Beast's bleating and clamoring) to save Mutantkind. But, doesn't X-Baby make that, well, pointless? Of course unless it was his sacrifice that made Messiah X possible. And, well, even then, it's comics. He'll be back in two years with a ret-con that made all of the clamoring to buy House of M moot.

Magik_Soul_Sword
09-18-2007, 09:46 PM
If Beast does die in the upcoming event I'll be very unhappy. However I'm expecting him to undergo some sort of major change, either mentally, physically or both. He could possibly be the traitor in the X-Men as he's already started some rather shady activity.

Endangered Species has been more than hinting that Beast is slipping towards a darker aspect, not only in his dealings with questionable characters such as Dark Beast, but in his own actions and statements as he becomes increasingly frustrated. In the last chapter he goes as far as to state that he cured the Legacy Virus (which isn't entirely true as he was relying on Dr. Moira's work), denigrates Forge's work, refuses his further help and knocks poor Forge down - very out of Beast's usual measured and diplomatic character. All this has lead me to wonder if he's managed to keep his actions hidden from the rest of the X-Men as E.S. is supposed to have occurred before the current X-Men arc.

Beast's personality seems to be almost overtaken by that of Dark Beast, apart from the cruel humor that Dark Beast displays. Even the art in E.S. indicates this, with Beast wearing a trench coat in his trip to Mutant Town and the hologram of Dark Beast looming over his shoulder in Forge's lab.

Since Marvel has been soliciting fan opinion on the best physical form for Beast I've been wondering if this may be resolved by somehow merging both Beast and Dark Beast. That would certainly make for an interesting story but many fans, including me, miss Hank's more carefree personality. It would be ironic to go to Beast's prior form but not the personality.


So how do those of you following E.S. think Beast will turn out at the end?


I think your right about him going mad, but mererging him with Dark Beast? That would be weird to say the least. Beast has been shady lately so who knows, I just dont want him to die.

Fatguy
09-18-2007, 09:49 PM
Ugh, they better not kill him. And I hope he doesnt turn all dark and gloomy for long. The thing I love most about Beast is the perfect merger of Professor and goofball.

frog
09-18-2007, 09:50 PM
I think your right about him going mad, but mererging him with Dark Beast? That would be weird to say the least. Beast has been shady lately so who knows, I just dont want him to die.

Yeah, I know it's a little far fetched but with Marvel you never know. Who would have predicted "No more mutants"?

Magik_Soul_Sword
09-18-2007, 09:53 PM
Yeah, I know it's a little far fetched but with Marvel you never know. Who would have predicted "No more mutants"?

True words, If they can depower all mutants...They wouldnt hesitate to merge them two. I think Beast is gonna go mad in MC, I dunno why but I can see him being the antoagonist in this story.

Omega Alpha
09-18-2007, 10:15 PM
I have no idea where this idea comes from...

Slung
09-18-2007, 10:18 PM
They have my Jean - they can't take my Hank too!

Harlock
09-18-2007, 10:20 PM
They have my Jean - they can't take my Hank too!

Based on that, you're screwed.

HellFrost
09-19-2007, 06:11 AM
I'll flip of Marel Kills any of the original 4 boys. I'm pretty sure that if they do it's going to be Warren however...:(

Beast is too important, Cyclops has too much story to tell then to just kill him off(of course I know that could be argued for all characters), Iceman is really moving forward under Carey's writing, and Warren... Warren is in WWH doing nothing but flying out of the way of explosions...

If he doesn't die and it's one of the other boys, Warren better get a starring role in an X-Book. Team Leader preferably and well written. He's been jerked around for way too long...:(

But I do not want Hank to die. He's my favorite of the Original 4 boys.

Sentinel K
09-19-2007, 06:19 AM
I have no idea where this idea comes from...

Me either....

da fug?

Harlock
09-19-2007, 06:45 AM
I'll flip of Marel Kills any of the original 4 boys. I'm pretty sure that if they do it's going to be Warren however...:(

Beast is too important, Cyclops has too much story to tell then to just kill him off(of course I know that could be argued for all characters), Iceman is really moving forward under Carey's writing, and Warren... Warren is in WWH doing nothing but flying out of the way of explosions...

If he doesn't die and it's one of the other boys, Warren better get a starring role in an X-Book. Team Leader preferably and well written. He's been jerked around for way too long...:(

But I do not want Hank to die. He's my favorite of the Original 4 boys.

Well, in the end, it's comics. So whoever dies will be back.

Beast
09-19-2007, 07:36 AM
Angel is the only one that there hasn't been rumblings about for Post MC.

Hopefully that doesn't mean that Marvel's lazily slaughtering him for shock value.

Keith_Martineau
09-19-2007, 07:52 AM
I think Beast dies in Astonishing X-Men at the end, and they're placing that storyline in between Endangered Species and Messiah Complex. I'm not sure what everyone else has read, but I've seen no mention of him in MC solicitations or rumblings of him post-MC, which is very odd considering he's the star of ES. So I think maybe they planned ES as a last big story for Beast before his end in Astonishing.

Christopher O
09-19-2007, 07:55 AM
I think Beast dies in Astonishing X-Men at the end, and they're placing that storyline in between Endangered Species and Messiah Complex. I'm not sure what everyone else has read, but I've seen no mention of him in MC solicitations or rumblings of him post-MC, which is very odd considering he's the star of ES. So I think maybe they planned ES as a last big story for Beast before his end in Astonishing.
We also haven't heard anything about Kitty. My money's still on her. Whedon killing Beast just doesn't make as much sense.

Omega Alpha
09-19-2007, 08:10 AM
I think Beast dies in Astonishing X-Men at the end, and they're placing that storyline in between Endangered Species and Messiah Complex. I'm not sure what everyone else has read, but I've seen no mention of him in MC solicitations or rumblings of him post-MC, which is very odd considering he's the star of ES. So I think maybe they planned ES as a last big story for Beast before his end in Astonishing.

We also haven't seen any mention of Colossus, Kitty, Emma, Hisako and Lockheed. And unlike this other 4, we know Bendis will have him in Mighty Avengers if he has the chance, and he plays a role that no one else in the X-men can as they major brain. And it doesn't make any sense storywise for him to die. A

Erik Lehnsherr
09-19-2007, 12:08 PM
Beast might change but I don't think he's dying. But I haven't seen Angel since he showed up trying to help WWH.

Faded
09-19-2007, 12:16 PM
Based on the way he's acting right now, I see him going on his own, morally quesitonable route and either "betraying" the X-Men (by opposing them or taking a different stance) or ending up becoming the 'messiah' for the mutantrace.

Either way, from that point on I think we would need get a shoebox and dig up another spot in the backyard.

Fatguy
09-19-2007, 12:34 PM
Beast might change but I don't think he's dying. But I haven't seen Angel since he showed up trying to help WWH.

He's been pretty well featured in WWH, and the fact that they keep calling themselves "the Renegades" makes me think they may be staying together as a team post-WWH. Also, he's on the cover solicits, the one where Cyclops is holding that ridiculous flag.

Sigh, I hope they dont kill anybody major dammit.

KJ_81
09-19-2007, 12:50 PM
maybe Beast dies in Astonishing, and somehow BECOMES the new mutant birth the next day......c'mon...it's an X-Men book....stupidity can't be discounted.

frog
09-19-2007, 12:53 PM
Sigh, I hope they dont kill anybody major dammit.

The Wizard article that's been cited makes it sound as though we'll lose a major character.

I think the main reason that I fear for Beast is that many fans have been complaining about his current form. I really like CatBeast myself, as it further emphasizes the paradox between his personality and his very human and intelligent nature. He just needs to get out of the lab more.

rwsmith
09-19-2007, 12:54 PM
Interesting theory regarding Beast dying at the end of Astonishing. Perhaps that's why they're giving him so much focus right now in Endangered Species?

I hope it doesn't happen, but it's definitely plausible.

frog
09-19-2007, 12:57 PM
Interesting theory regarding Beast dying at the end of Astonishing. Perhaps that's why they're giving him so much focus right now in Endangered Species?

I hope it doesn't happen, but it's definitely plausible.

It would certainly be an unexpected twist - everyone's expecting Kitty or Colossus to go.

However, I don't think he'd come back as the new baby!


I've been wondering about Agent Brand and the fact that Beast once worked for the Brand Corporation. Just coincidence?

Don Quixote
09-19-2007, 01:36 PM
I don't see Beast dying in Messiah Complex, not after all of the Endangered Species build up. I see him and Scott having a serious falling out over the events in MC, that helps to break the X-Men apart.

Although, if Whedon's had him slated to die for the last year or so, then I guess he won't be in MC. I don't really care what happens in Astonishing, now. I can barely accept the current arc as canon. It might as well be outside the 616 universe, for the amount of relevance it has to the other titles.

Tuppence
09-19-2007, 05:37 PM
Angel is the only one that there hasn't been rumblings about for Post MC.

Hopefully that doesn't mean that Marvel's lazily slaughtering him for shock value.Here's hoping. But I've kind of been waiting for it to happen. Not *hoping* for it - Warren's my favorite mutant and one of my favorite Marvel charcters. But once Banshee was killed off I figured Warren would be the next casualty to show that "Oh my god, the situation's serious! It's deadly! Deadly, I say..." It's fatiguing being a Warren fan, let me tell you.

I'd be very surprised if Beast were killed though. I think the only O5 less likely to die is Scott. I am hoping that, with the success of First Class in non-traditional sales areas and the fact that Warren was just in a non-X book, that those things mean that the PTB want Warren visible for new readers who picked up First Class (and that Warren might be in X4, should that ever be made.) Visible and not dead. Or it might mean that they're killing him in this latest thing and they just wanted him a little out of limbo before the big chop. I suppose we'll find out.