Heroes -- Season Two

[Acecool]

Charlie had a superhuman memory, not a speed-learning power.

What exactly is the difference?

[Tyr]

-And what was the whole point of the Wonder Twins subplot? They were there just to be Sylar's playthings? Apparently they had nothing to do with the plague after all.

Those two were a waste of script paper. I don't usually condone the act of killing a female character but in this case I'm willing to make an exception. I actually cheered when Sylar shot that chick. I know that’s awful, especially being I'm a YABSTER and proud of it, but I was happy to see they were getting rid of the both of them. Then they brought her back and I was disappointed.

Also show of hands, who didn't see that Nathan Petrelli was going to be shot as soon as he called for that press conference?

All and all, pretty lackluster end to a lackluster season if you ask me.

[Wenatchee the Hatchet]

super memory and super learning can overlap but aren't exactly the same. A chimp can remember something more accurately than a human can but the human might learn something faster if it involves a lot of abstract thought or language. I'd say if Sylar figured out how the gun worked it's because that's his power, figuring out how things work. He'd be using his first ability, not an acquired ability.

We've never seen Sylar interact with the Haitian so far. I'm curious to figure out what on earth the Haitian is up to.

[Kevin Vetter]

Figured out how the gun worked? It's a freaking gun. You point and pull a trigger. You guys are making it sound like he pulled a sniper rifle out of a briefcase, assembled it and then shot someone through the eye from 1000 yards. He pulled out a handgun and shot someone that was several feet away. Not a whole lot of figuring out to do.

[LtMarvel]

Hiro is cold. Really cold.

Because, he stopped time. While time was stopped he put Adam in the coffin, dug the hole and buried him. Maybe even put up the headstone.


That's cold.

[BeastieRunner]

Niki had/has a tattoo of the symbol as well. Plus the Haitian's necklace. There have been a couple other "easter egg" appearances too, I believe. Who knows what the deal is? It seems like the symbol may have predated Kensei, too. It's just "best known" for being the symbol on his sword.

I almost wonder if they're going to take its' translation literally at some point ("Godsend") and turn it into some kind of religious thing....

What would be bad with injecting some religion/faith into Heroes? The original pilot was called, "In His Own Image" and later, "Genesis" so it's not much of a stretch. If they keep the science/religion thing ambiguous as to which is the true cause of one's ability, that would be a nice handling of it, in my opinion.


Ma Petrelli's going to be revealed as the villain running The Company, not Adam. Calling a hit on your own son for trying to out your schemes? That's cold.

I think Adam brought back Linderman and she is actually still working with Adam and Linderman. Didn't Adam and Linderman work together? And wasn't it eluded to that one of Adam's schemes was hurricane Katrina?


I think Sylar got good with guns quickly because of charlie's power.

Charlie's fate remains to be seen. There's a book coming out after Christmas about what really happened so that should answer some questions.

[mattx110]

Charlie's fate remains to be seen. There's a book coming out after Christmas about what really happened so that should answer some questions.
We saw her die twice... How unseen is that?

[EZMOHR]

We saw her die twice... How unseen is that?

Just give her the blood already.

[KenK]

Hiro is cold. Really cold.

Because, he stopped time. While time was stopped he put Adam in the coffin, dug the hole and buried him. Maybe even put up the headstone.


That's cold.

That's how you gotta do things sometimes. I thought that was so cool that Hiro did that. He knew he couldn't kill Adam, and you never know, he might just came back someday and let him out. But that was so cool to see Adam go mad trying to get out. He's been so calm and collected the whole season, now he's gonna go batshits crazy!

[meethraa]

So, after two seasons there's finally a scene in this show I actually enjoyed, and they had to reverse it a couple of minutes later. Why can't the chihuahua just die???

How disappointing.

On another hand, I was pretty sure they were going to kill the two characters that are not 100% unlikable YET (Veronica Mars and blonderine #2) and they both survived.

Maybe next season won't be as bad as this one.... which is not saying much..

[Mac Danny]

Anyone give any thought to how Peter can seemingly overcome or is immune to most powers (Matt, Hiro) directed at him, but the Haitian's "Null field" turns him off completely?

Also does Peter now have that Null Field ability? If he remebers the Haitian will other's people's powers turn off?

as for Hiro and the Grave, I think that Hiro put Adam in his father's coffin since his fateher was most likely pudding after the fall and not suitable for burying in anything but a hefty bag. I also think he did it during or before the funeral. teleport both into the coffin, teleport out.

[Rick Summers]

You can't heal yourself from not eating or having oxygen so why does everyone think Adam can survive in that coffin forever? He might last longer than most but you still need food and oxygen...not to mention ya gotta poop too! Eww!

[xnef1025]

You can't heal yourself from not eating or having oxygen so why does everyone think Adam can survive in that coffin forever? He might last longer than most but you still need food and oxygen...not to mention ya gotta poop too! Eww!
That's the nature of being a regenerating immortal. He'll waste away to skin and bones but won't die. He'll run out of air and be in a constant state of asphyxiation because his body won't completly stop working.

As for Peter gaining the Haitian's powers, I think it's the only one he can't absorb because of it's nature. Since it's a psychic nullifier and Peter's powers are psi based(that's why his blood can't heal others like Claire's or Adam's) Peter's brain can't mimic it.

Oh, and there's a good simple explanation for how Peter got better at using his powers. He's subconciously accessing some of Sylar's original power of knowing how things work.

[marshal99]

Oh, and there's a good simple explanation for how Peter got better at using his powers. He's subconciously accessing some of Sylar's original power of knowing how things work.

Stop attributing things that aren't there , the writers are not that good , the writers just decided to make Peter more competent with his powers for this season and so they did. They had to , just to fit in the plot they have because Peter was the key to the plot.
So suddenly , peter saved his brother , break Adam out of his cell , do all the legwork for Adam , save Adam from Hiro , beat Hiro , beat Matt , save the world from the virus. He's suddenly the hero he was meant to be in season 1.

[Enigmanaut]

Figured out how the gun worked? It's a freaking gun. You point and pull a trigger. You guys are making it sound like he pulled a sniper rifle out of a briefcase, assembled it and then shot someone through the eye from 1000 yards. He pulled out a handgun and shot someone that was several feet away. Not a whole lot of figuring out to do.

Indeed. It's the epitome of a point and click user interface.

[Enigmanaut]

You can't heal yourself from not eating or having oxygen so why does everyone think Adam can survive in that coffin forever? He might last longer than most but you still need food and oxygen...not to mention ya gotta poop too! Eww!

He could go into a sort of coma and remain that way indefinitely until someone digs him up.

[Antonio B.]

Hiro is cold. Really cold.
Because, he stopped time. While time was stopped he put Adam in the coffin, dug the hole and buried him. Maybe even put up the headstone.

That's cold.

Adam is going to be PISSED and even crazier than he is now if he somehow gets out. Killing Hiro won't be enough for him.

[Rick Summers]

That's the nature of being a regenerating immortal. He'll waste away to skin and bones but won't die. He'll run out of air and be in a constant state of asphyxiation because his body won't completly stop working.

If I were to make an indestructible car with indestructible parts that never wear out but stop putting gas in it then it wouldn't move regardless of the car's indestructibility. In effect, it's dead. That's all I'm saying.

The body needs "fuel" to energize it. The regeneration process would need to get it's energy the same way any other part of the body does. No fuel = no energy. No energy = no power to do anything including regenerate. No regenerating...6 feet under = dead after a while.

Unless all these "abilities" are magic based in which case my argument is totally moot.

[literally exaggerated]

they functionally are. they certainly don't conform to real world physics or biology. if they say someone is immortal except for a headshot, then he might as well be highlander. I'm fairly certain we were to understand that Adam would simply live like that forever. like the Sandman comic where Hobb asks Dream "do you know how hungry you can get if you never eat but can't die?"

[bluedmighty]

Also does Peter now have that Null Field ability? If he remebers the Haitian will other's people's powers turn off?


He shouldn't.

Because,

Peter's ability mimics abilities,
while the Haitians ability cancels abilities.

Therefore Peter should not be able to gain the Haitian's ability because his ability to do so would be canceled.

[Lord of Denial]

He shouldn't.

Because,

Peter's ability mimics abilities,
while the Haitians ability cancels abilities.

Therefore Peter should not be able to gain the Haitian's ability because his ability to do so would be canceled.

I would think that would be the case if he was actively jamming Peters powers.

But if say Peter was walking around the corner and ran into The Haitian and he was caught unaware I don't see a reason why Peter would not absorbs his powers.

[Jmacq1]

Except the Haitian's abilities aren't "always on." Witness Nathan Petrelli's escape in Season 1. If the Haitian had been in proximity to Peter and -not- "nullifying" then Peter very well may have the Haitian's abilities.

[Rick Summers]

Except the Haitian's abilities aren't "always on." Witness Nathan Petrelli's escape in Season 1. If the Haitian had been in proximity to Peter and -not- "nullifying" then Peter very well may have the Haitian's abilities.

Which makes me wonder again...
Ted was NOT actively using his powers yet Pete absorbed them.
Sylar WAS actively using TK against Pete and he got that one power but what about the others Sylar had taken? Why didn't Pete gain those as well? And I really hope you don't say, he just doesn't know he has them yet because that is so lame :mad:

[Eyeswithoutaface]

The body needs "fuel" to energize it. The regeneration process would need to get it's energy the same way any other part of the body does. No fuel = no energy. No energy = no power to do anything including regenerate. No regenerating...6 feet under = dead after a while.

Unless all these "abilities" are magic based in which case my argument is totally moot.

Or perhaps his body converts even low level energy, radio waves, or whatever into fuel. All we know though is that he doesn't die.

[Enigmanaut]

If I were to make an indestructible car with indestructible parts that never wear out but stop putting gas in it then it wouldn't move regardless of the car's indestructibility. In effect, it's dead. That's all I'm saying.

The body needs "fuel" to energize it. The regeneration process would need to get it's energy the same way any other part of the body does. No fuel = no energy. No energy = no power to do anything including regenerate. No regenerating...6 feet under = dead after a while.

Unless all these "abilities" are magic based in which case my argument is totally moot.

Some bacteria can lie dormant in hostile environments like ice for years, even centuries, and still come back to life when warmed. Adam could likewise go into a biological stasis until a new source of oxygen becomes available.

[Jamal]

I can see Maya killing Sylar, if she learns to control and direct her power at one person it would be hard for him to stop her.

[Enigmanaut]

I can see Maya killing Sylar, if she learns to control and direct her power at one person it would be hard for him to stop her.

Not if he took Alejandro's mojo while he had him dead on the floor. Maya's power didn't effect him. She meets Sylar again, and Sylar gets the Black-Eyed Death power.

[Rick Summers]

I can see Maya killing Sylar, if she learns to control and direct her power at one person it would be hard for him to stop her.

Even if she were not to be successful, I'd love to see her try that on him.
"Gabriel! You keeled my broder. For dis you die!!!"

[Lord of Denial]

Why did Peter just not phase threw the vault door?
Hell of a lot easier!

[StoneGold]

Why did Peter just not phase threw the vault door?
Hell of a lot easier!

Because they had a higher SFX budget?

[Guy1]

Why did Peter just not phase threw the vault door?
Hell of a lot easier!

Adam wanted to get the virus first and then release it. Hence why he had Peter TK it open, so he could tell Peter to "Stay here on lookout." or something like that in case Hiro came after them again. While Peter was outside of the vault, this would give Adam time to unleash it.

[mattx110]

Just give her the blood already.
a bit ironic. Her own blood killed her.

[Jamal]

Not if he took Alejandro's mojo while he had him dead on the floor. Maya's power didn't effect him. She meets Sylar again, and Sylar gets the Black-Eyed Death power.

Sylar was still powerless when he killed Alejandro and couldn't have taken his power, just like with the illusionist girl from the company.

[Enigmanaut]

Sylar was still powerless when he killed Alejandro and couldn't have taken his power, just like with the illusionist girl from the company.

We don't know if he could take it or not. He seemed to think he took Kandace's ability. He may have taken it knowing that he couldn't use it until Mohinder gave him the healing whammy.

[Powerboy]

Those two were a waste of script paper. I don't usually condone the act of killing a female character but in this case I'm willing to make an exception. I actually cheered when Sylar shot that chick. I know that’s awful, especially being I'm a YABSTER and proud of it, but I was happy to see they were getting rid of the both of them. Then they brought her back and I was disappointed.

Also show of hands, who didn't see that Nathan Petrelli was going to be shot as soon as he called for that press conference?

All and all, pretty lackluster end to a lackluster season if you ask me.


I think the last sentence tells the story. From what Ted Kringe has said, he rewrote much of the season veering away from the original plan. Maya and Alejandro were, I think, supposed to be more significant and their symbiotic power more, well, symbiotic. Then, poof, she doesn't need him to stop the power although maybe reversing its effects was something only he could have done. The season was so unpopular, I suspect Kringe just axed Alejandro to speed things up. I'm glad he didn't axe Maya but only because I kind of like looking at her.

[Acecool]

That's the nature of being a regenerating immortal. He'll waste away to skin and bones but won't die. He'll run out of air and be in a constant state of asphyxiation because his body won't completly stop working.

As for Peter gaining the Haitian's powers, I think it's the only one he can't absorb because of it's nature. Since it's a psychic nullifier and Peter's powers are psi based(that's why his blood can't heal others like Claire's or Adam's) Peter's brain can't mimic it.

Oh, and there's a good simple explanation for how Peter got better at using his powers. He's subconciously accessing some of Sylar's original power of knowing how things work.

Actually isn't it stated some where that Peter's genes rewrite themselves based on the powers of those around him?

[Powerboy]

I don't know if this has already been brought up and I'm not plowing through page after page to find out. Does anyone prefer that the next season start with Peter standing up and angrily finishing the speech Nathan started, maybe adding flying up into the air, shooting some electricity and maybe telekinetically lifting some objects and exposing the existence of super beings that Nathan was murdered to prevent?

Did anybody else wince at the contrivances it would take to prevent it from becoming public knowledge or think it a bit unbelievable that the existence of so many such beings could be kept a secret for this long (especially with people flying over cities and nobody ever sees them)?

Or, perhaps on a more simple course, does anybody think the "super beings exist and nobody knows it because of the all-powerful conspiracy" schtick (unstoppable unless one super being just levitates in the middle of Times Square with no big pre-announcement) :rolleyes: has run its course and its time for "Heroes" to deal with the public reaction to the inevitable discovery of super beings?

[Black Atom]

What's with the guns on this show? Did someone already ask this? Why do the guns not look like real guns? They look like laser guns or something.

[kmeyers]

We don't know if he could take it or not. He seemed to think he took Kandace's ability. He may have taken it knowing that he couldn't use it until Mohinder gave him the healing whammy.

He had the virus, which caused him to not have his powers, any of them. Including his original power of figuring out how to take other powers.

[Lord of Denial]

He had the virus, which caused him to not have his powers, any of them. Including his original power of figuring out how to take other powers.

But he was under the impression that he took her power until he tried to use it and could not. You would think that once he killed her and cut open her head that he would of realized that how her power works was not coming to him and it would have been clear is original power was gone.

[Jmacq1]

What's with the guns on this show? Did someone already ask this? Why do the guns not look like real guns? They look like laser guns or something.

If you're talking about the "Company Pistols" they are in fact a real gun. I don't know the model offhand but yeah, they're just a funky-looking real-world gun.

And I'm with Powerboy. I was really hoping that Nathan would succeed in going public.

Then again, maybe it's for the best, because the show would probably really become "X-Men" then..."feared and hated" and all that.

Even aside from the loss of control over the metahuman population, I wonder if someone in the Company's past wasn't a precog who "saw" a genocide/holocaust if the metas went public. It'd go a long way towards further explaining the Company's desperation to prevent it, and fit with their morally murky outlook.

[maczero]

Did anybody else wince at the contrivances it would take to prevent it from becoming public knowledge or think it a bit unbelievable that the existence of so many such beings could be kept a secret for this long (especially with people flying over cities and nobody ever sees them)?

Or, perhaps on a more simple course, does anybody think the "super beings exist and nobody knows it because of the all-powerful conspiracy" schtick (unstoppable unless one super being just levitates in the middle of Times Square with no big pre-announcement) :rolleyes: has run its course and its time for "Heroes" to deal with the public reaction to the inevitable discovery of super beings?I can buy it for a few reasons.

1) It's possible that most would keep the abilities to themselves.
2) Those with powers who choose to reveal themselves to the public, would more than likely will draw the attention of the company. The company then spreads a little disinformation and discretely gets rid of the "outed" mutant.
3) The public generally ignores the fantastic. I'm sure there are thousands of stories involving bigfoot, lochness monster, ufo's etc. that don't get the media's attention. I'm sure super powered folk would just be another urban legend even if there were several eyewitnesses.

On a related note, how do you guys feel about having more physically deformed mutants on the show? Think Nightcrawler. Would this be a little too cheesy?

[Tyr]

On a related note, how do you guys feel about having more physically deformed mutants on the show? Think Nightcrawler. Would this be a little too cheesy?

Nightcrawler is NEVER cheesy. It will take more then the '90s to make Kurt cheesy. ;)

[Shades0077]

I want to know what the time limit is on how long people can be dead before Claire's blood won't bring them back to life.

[mattx110]

I want to know what the time limit is on how long people can be dead before Claire's blood won't bring them back to life.
I hear the princess is coming back next episode after being revived.





april fools (you woulda seen it coming in april).

[Fish Sauce]

To be honest I think if Peter were to go showing his powers at that conference people would be scared shitless. A guy with that many powers? No matter how good he is, he would still be scary as all hell.

[kloudsurfer]

I just thought of something.

Peters power is to have the powers of those he encounters, right? So whats with this 'precognitive dreams' power he showed in season 1 (eg seeing future new york after the nuclear explosion)?

[the_coldest_sun]

I just thought of something.

Peters power is to have the powers of those he encounters, right? So whats with this 'precognitive dreams' power he showed in season 1 (eg seeing future new york after the nuclear explosion)?

Its never really explained, but I assume it has to do with Charles Deveaux. Although his power isn't really explained either. I believe its got something to do with dreams (even daydreaming) and being in two places at the same time and being able to view things in a somewhat ghost-like state. Charles was able to see Peter because they have the same ability--like when Hiro and Peter interact when time stops.

Now the visions of ground zero are quite different from what I explained above but I think its still connected somehow to the same power. Peter passed out and visited Charles in the season 1 finale. He fell asleep and had a conversation with Charles in his dream about flying that Charles recalled awake somewhere in season 1 too. Peter passed out leaving the police station and had his revelation about being the exploding man, so I personally assume since its while he's unconscience (or daydreaming, same diff) that its part of the same ability he absorbed from Charles.

Now I keep including 'daydreaming' because in season 2, while talking to Adam, Peter went back to the future and witnessed what he and Caitlyn (sp?) went through--viewing it as a ghost-like figure since no one could see him. That's gotta be from Charles' power too. But then I got to thinking...in season 2, they stressed that their powers are stronger than originally thought and continue to grow. Maybe Charles' power doesn't require the need to be subconscious to work. If mastered, Peter could possibly use that ability even while awake. Wouldn't that be something...?

[marshal99]

Possibly the old man that Peter was nursing , he was part of the company and he could have the powers of "'precognitive dreams" since he did spoke to Peter again in a dream after he died.

[kloudsurfer]

Oh right. I forgot all about Charles!

Was it ever explicitly stated that that was Charles power?

[IamtheRock3]

I don't know if this has already been brought up and I'm not plowing through page after page to find out. Does anyone prefer that the next season start with Peter standing up and angrily finishing the speech Nathan started, maybe adding flying up into the air, shooting some electricity and maybe telekinetically lifting some objects and exposing the existence of super beings that Nathan was murdered to prevent?

Did anybody else wince at the contrivances it would take to prevent it from becoming public knowledge or think it a bit unbelievable that the existence of so many such beings could be kept a secret for this long (especially with people flying over cities and nobody ever sees them)?

Or, perhaps on a more simple course, does anybody think the "super beings exist and nobody knows it because of the all-powerful conspiracy" schtick (unstoppable unless one super being just levitates in the middle of Times Square with no big pre-announcement) :rolleyes: has run its course and its time for "Heroes" to deal with the public reaction to the inevitable discovery of super beings?

Yea not to mention they killed the LEAST dangerous of the 3

And shooting nathan can easly cause Peter to whip out his powers publicly to nab the guy who did it, or fly him to the doctor (much faster)

or TELEPORT...even faster

[Lord of Denial]

Its never really explained, but I assume it has to do with Charles Deveaux. Although his power isn't really explained either. I believe its got something to do with dreams (even daydreaming) and being in two places at the same time and being able to view things in a somewhat ghost-like state. Charles was able to see Peter because they have the same ability--like when Hiro and Peter interact when time stops.

Now the visions of ground zero are quite different from what I explained above but I think its still connected somehow to the same power. Peter passed out and visited Charles in the season 1 finale. He fell asleep and had a conversation with Charles in his dream about flying that Charles recalled awake somewhere in season 1 too. Peter passed out leaving the police station and had his revelation about being the exploding man, so I personally assume since its while he's unconscience (or daydreaming, same diff) that its part of the same ability he absorbed from Charles.

Now I keep including 'daydreaming' because in season 2, while talking to Adam, Peter went back to the future and witnessed what he and Caitlyn (sp?) went through--viewing it as a ghost-like figure since no one could see him. That's gotta be from Charles' power too. But then I got to thinking...in season 2, they stressed that their powers are stronger than originally thought and continue to grow. Maybe Charles' power doesn't require the need to be subconscious to work. If mastered, Peter could possibly use that ability even while awake. Wouldn't that be something...?

So Peter had the power all along but he did not know it because he meant Charles in the past, but it his present he had not done it yet so he had no way of knowing he did it?

Time travel gives me a migraine.

[Sandoz]

Was it ever explicitly stated that that was Charles power?
No. A lot of people assume it was, but it's never been confirmed.

[hulahulk]

So, with Adam "occupied" but Sylar on the loose, I wonder if we'll see another big baddie at all in the next chapter? Or just more brain-eating?

[Lord of Denial]

So, with Adam "occupied" but Sylar on the loose, I wonder if we'll see another big baddie at all in the next chapter? Or just more brain-eating?

There is supposed to be a Hero's like gathering of villains in the next chapter. So yes there will be next big bads and they will form some type of group or something.

[Sijo]

Yes, proving that superpowers are real would be really easy. Especially for someone like Peter: just go to a highly public area, like Times Square, and demonstrate them. Of course, some people would just think it's just some kind of show ala David Copperfield, so something more dramatic would be needed- like vandalism. Heck, just stand there and let the police or the army come and try to arrest you after trashing the place- let's see the Company cover THAT up! (Proving The Company exists, however, and shutting it down, would be harder.)

But of course, the real reason is that the writers just don't want to go there. They're very stubborn, they stick to their decisions even if they are not really justified- for example, last season, because Isaac had foretold his own death at Sylar's hands, it just HAD to happen, despite the whole point of the story being that history could, and HAD to be changed to avoid a disaster.

If you ask me, it's time to go with something new, and they can start by revealing the truth to the world and then see what the consequences (good or bad) are.

Oh, and let go of the past stuff. No more paintings that foretell the future. No more history changing. No more serial killers. The Company however can stick around for a while, but eventually even it should be replaced by new menaces and characters.

[hulahulk]

There is supposed to be a Hero's like gathering of villains in the next chapter. So yes there will be next big bads and they will form some type of group or something.

Nice. Where did you get that info?

[the_coldest_sun]

So Peter had the power all along but he did not know it because he meant Charles in the past, but it his present he had not done it yet so he had no way of knowing he did it?

Time travel gives me a migraine.

Are you trying to say that Peter has to KNOW he has an ability before he can use it? That doesn't make any sense. He didn't know he could time-travel but he ended up in the viral future. He didn't know he could heal, but did so after his first encounter with Sylar. He didn't know he could draw the future, but did so in his hospital bed. So yeah, Peter didn't know Charles was a "hero" and used his power by accident like the others.


Nice. Where did you get that info?

Its from a TV Guide interview with creator Tim Kring. Someone copy & pasted the interview a few pages back in this thread.

[Pro]

Yes, proving that superpowers are real would be really easy.

With the haitian around it's a little less easy. And with the company's resources it would be easy to pay off the right people to ensure a story doesn't leak to the general public or is discredited by science. Remember when Claire walked out of a burning house, healing right in front of a dozens of people. Also how many stories are floating around in our own reality about people healing miraculously, about healing hands, about pyrotechnics, about telekinetics, telepathy, astral projection. I've seen movies of real people who use chi to burn a newspaper, i've seen levitating monks, i've heard stories of fakirs holding their breath for hours on end and being able to withstand excrusiating pain for literally years. And yet most people will dismiss those stories or at the least don't believe they'll ever run into such people.

And yet i've been outside my body, visited realms i cannot describe, seen the light at the end of the tunnel, talked to my grandfather after he died, i've experienced precognitive dreams, seen auras and saw the face of God.

Believe me? Why would you? Surely i can't be telling the truth.

People have the unbelievable talent to disbelieve anything that doesn't fit their narrow parameters of what is real. :).

[Pro]

Nice. Where did you get that info?

The next chapter is called Villains. :).

[Wild Card13]

Earlier on this season, they were putting out a casting call for someone to play a powerful crime boss. My guess is that this boss would have been one of the central antagonists of Volume Three, probably the Heroes world's version of the Kingpin. I could see him as a normal guy who's got a small cadre of loyal supers at his command.

And assuming that my above guess is right, I'm going to guess that either Sylar (using Candice's powers) or the Haitian is going to join their ranks.

[Sijo]

While I'm sure The Company has great media-manipulating resources (they covered up the fact that a big explosion happened in the sky above New York, which in post-911 times would freak a lot of people; and btw, the show has yet to explain how they did that) even they could not cover up a major conflagration taking place in Times Square and covered live by all major networks. Extreme, yes, and probably not good for the superhumans' reputations, but it would not be something that could be dismissed as "a wacko on a TV show."

And the Haitian cannot be everywhere, nor is invincible. If the heroes are ready for him, they can take him down, even if by using baseball bats.

Of course, The Company might have dart guns full of power-canceling virus... even then, it wouldn't be that simple to bring all the Heroes down.

[hulahulk]

We will have to wait and see if Sylar can indeed use Candace's illusion power this season (yes, he has it in the future episode, but that could be from a different person). I kind of hope he can't. But it'll probably be written in anyway.

[Stretch Dude]

We will have to wait and see if Sylar can indeed use Candace's illusion power this season (yes, he has it in the future episode, but that could be from a different person).

He specifically stated it came from Candace, but it's a moot point anyway as that timeline ceased to be the moment Peter exploded over New York instead in the middle of it.

[Typo Lad]

Hthe moment Peter exploded over New York .

Curse VH1 for the horrid mental image that gave me!

[Nikita]

I think Peter has been written enough as a moron that we have to start assuming that perhaps he is a moron.

Agreed.


I thought the finale was rather mediocre, and overall, season 2 almost seemed like filler material.Some of the deaths during the season (Especially DL) were uninspiring, some of the storylines were drawn out way too much and didn't really go places, etc...

And some things that nagged at me during this episode......When Sylar had Mohinder at gunpoint, and before he shot Maya, why didn't Maya use her power to down everyone again, and get the gun from Sylar, thus putting an end to the situation?.........Then when she draws her power back in, they all wake up, she gives the gun to Mohinder, and Mohinder has Sylar at gunpoint.

I guess it would be explained that she was stressed out, afraid of using her powers on the innocent (little girl), etc......But that still nagged at me.

Also, others have already mentioned it, but the lack of security in the Texas office was mind-boggling.

And this leads back to earlier in the season, but why would the Company keep Sylar alive and inject him with the virus? Wouldn't they have considered him too dangerous and killed him off while he was down?......I know they wanted to test out the Shanti virus, but surely that was a risky subject to test it out on.

Overall, a disappointing season with too many plot-holes. I hope season 3 turns out better.

Agreed.


Smallville reference, and a good example of messing up time from one episode to the next to explain some byzantine plot twist that is really a retcon.


LOL. That's hilarious, and very fitting.

[Powerboy]

I can buy it for a few reasons.

1) It's possible that most would keep the abilities to themselves.
2) Those with powers who choose to reveal themselves to the public, would more than likely will draw the attention of the company. The company then spreads a little disinformation and discretely gets rid of the "outed" mutant.
3) The public generally ignores the fantastic. I'm sure there are thousands of stories involving bigfoot, lochness monster, ufo's etc. that don't get the media's attention. I'm sure super powered folk would just be another urban legend even if there were several eyewitnesses.

On a related note, how do you guys feel about having more physically deformed mutants on the show? Think Nightcrawler. Would this be a little too cheesy?

I'm not sure. It would definitely detract from that 'realistic' feeling they are trying to project. It would also make keeping it a secret really hard to believe.

[Powerboy]

I just thought of something.

Peters power is to have the powers of those he encounters, right? So whats with this 'precognitive dreams' power he showed in season 1 (eg seeing future new york after the nuclear explosion)?

That was the power of the old man he was the nurse for, Simone's father.

[Powerboy]

Yes, proving that superpowers are real would be really easy. Especially for someone like Peter: just go to a highly public area, like Times Square, and demonstrate them. Of course, some people would just think it's just some kind of show ala David Copperfield, so something more dramatic would be needed- like vandalism. Heck, just stand there and let the police or the army come and try to arrest you after trashing the place- let's see the Company cover THAT up! (Proving The Company exists, however, and shutting it down, would be harder.)

But of course, the real reason is that the writers just don't want to go there. They're very stubborn, they stick to their decisions even if they are not really justified- for example, last season, because Isaac had foretold his own death at Sylar's hands, it just HAD to happen, despite the whole point of the story being that history could, and HAD to be changed to avoid a disaster.

If you ask me, it's time to go with something new, and they can start by revealing the truth to the world and then see what the consequences (good or bad) are.

Oh, and let go of the past stuff. No more paintings that foretell the future. No more history changing. No more serial killers. The Company however can stick around for a while, but eventually even it should be replaced by new menaces and characters.

Yes please not another future event that is destined to happen and not another "The world will be destroyed" plot. It was great the first time, not handled quite so well the second. If they do it again, the fan cry will be, "Get a new plot."

[Powerboy]

With the haitian around it's a little less easy. And with the company's resources it would be easy to pay off the right people to ensure a story doesn't leak to the general public or is discredited by science. Remember when Claire walked out of a burning house, healing right in front of a dozens of people. Also how many stories are floating around in our own reality about people healing miraculously, about healing hands, about pyrotechnics, about telekinetics, telepathy, astral projection. I've seen movies of real people who use chi to burn a newspaper, i've seen levitating monks, i've heard stories of fakirs holding their breath for hours on end and being able to withstand excrusiating pain for literally years. And yet most people will dismiss those stories or at the least don't believe they'll ever run into such people.

And yet i've been outside my body, visited realms i cannot describe, seen the light at the end of the tunnel, talked to my grandfather after he died, i've experienced precognitive dreams, seen auras and saw the face of God.

Believe me? Why would you? Surely i can't be telling the truth.

People have the unbelievable talent to disbelieve anything that doesn't fit their narrow parameters of what is real. :).

True enough but let's use healing as an example. If the power really existed, it wouldn't be the way its played out to be by con artists and faith healers. Let's see someone with an undeniably broken arm healed right then and there. Let's see someone teleport in a way that we instinctively know it wasn't a magician's trick. If we really saw some of these things that are faked done for real, I think the difference would leap out at us. Sure some people would go into denial but not everybody.

Anyway, Nathan's mother said that they had opened Pandora's box by killing him. I suspect she means they have effectively declared war on her son's generation but maybe that the battle to go public will begin.

[Powerboy]

Earlier on this season, they were putting out a casting call for someone to play a powerful crime boss. My guess is that this boss would have been one of the central antagonists of Volume Three, probably the Heroes world's version of the Kingpin. I could see him as a normal guy who's got a small cadre of loyal supers at his command.

And assuming that my above guess is right, I'm going to guess that either Sylar (using Candice's powers) or the Haitian is going to join their ranks.

We have to wait and see if he has Candice's powers. He didn't have his power to take powers when he killed her.

I'd rather wait and see. Arguing it is almost as bad as the Peter vs. the Haitian argument. Can Peter get the Haitian's power to neutralize powers and what happens if they use them on each other?

[Powerboy]

While I'm sure The Company has great media-manipulating resources (they covered up the fact that a big explosion happened in the sky above New York, which in post-911 times would freak a lot of people; and btw, the show has yet to explain how they did that) even they could not cover up a major conflagration taking place in Times Square and covered live by all major networks. Extreme, yes, and probably not good for the superhumans' reputations, but it would not be something that could be dismissed as "a wacko on a TV show."

And the Haitian cannot be everywhere, nor is invincible. If the heroes are ready for him, they can take him down, even if by using baseball bats.

Of course, The Company might have dart guns full of power-canceling virus... even then, it wouldn't be that simple to bring all the Heroes down.

I don't think they covered up the explosion. Its probably an unexplained phenomena.

[IamtheRock3]

way I see it

If I can accept the world not knowing about Aliens in dr who depsite all the crazy stuff

And the world not knowing about demons in Buffy and Angel despite all the crazy stuff


Then I guess I can learn to accept the world not knowing about metas sense it requre a heck of lot less suspsension of disbelif then the things above

[Powerboy]

way I see it

If I can accept the world not knowing about Aliens in dr who depsite all the crazy stuff

And the world not knowing about demons in Buffy and Angel despite all the crazy stuff


Then I guess I can learn to accept the world not knowing about metas sense it requre a heck of lot less suspsension of disbelif then the things above

True but I guess I just picture "Heroes" as trying to be on a somewhat more realistic level about stuff like that.

[IamtheRock3]

yea rising starts handled it pretty well

edit- that comic book by the way

[Detective#27]

I haven't read all d posts yet, so somebody might have mentioned it before. But, why didn't Peter use his blood to save Nathan? Both in the hospital and when Nathan was shot. He does know that he can copy others' powers, doesn't he? So he should have known that his blood can heal Nathan.
And if my memory doesn't fail me, i seem to remember that back when Peter and Adam were in their cells, Adam told Peter that the company didn't know how to kill him but in the last episode, we know that Peter's mother knows how to kill him. Thus, the other founders of the company should share the same knowledge, right? And if they really do, why didn't they kill Adam?

[Jmacq1]

Adam probably didn't want Peter to know how to kill him. Hence, he deliberately withheld that information. Victoria Pratt knew how to kill him too, she just didn't get the chance.

Basically, take anything Adam says with a grain of salt or three. As for why the Company didn't just outright kill him, there's a few potential reasons. Maybe they still felt some warped sense of loyalty and respect to him. Maybe they thought he'd "come around." Maybe they were hoping to harvest his blood for future use or study him and his abilities further (probably the most likely answer right there).

Also, it seems like the Company seems to operate from the assumption that they're invincible/untouchable, because a lot of the careless mistakes they make can easily be attributed to arrogance on their part. They may likely have believed that Adam would just never get out. And were too busy/arrogant/blind to notice that Peter's cell had a vent that let him talk to Adam (or more accurately, to let Adam talk to him).

[Powerboy]

Peter knew Adam's blood could heal people but he didn't know it could bring people back from the dead.

I think Adam was lying when he told Peter they didn't know how to kill him. They wanted to keep him alive for a very obvious reason: it gave them access to his blood.


I haven't read all d posts yet, so somebody might have mentioned it before. But, why didn't Peter use his blood to save Nathan? Both in the hospital and when Nathan was shot. He does know that he can copy others' powers, doesn't he? So he should have known that his blood can heal Nathan.
And if my memory doesn't fail me, i seem to remember that back when Peter and Adam were in their cells, Adam told Peter that the company didn't know how to kill him but in the last episode, we know that Peter's mother knows how to kill him. Thus, the other founders of the company should share the same knowledge, right? And if they really do, why didn't they kill Adam?

[maczero]

On a related note, how do you guys feel about having more physically deformed mutants on the show? Think Nightcrawler. Would this be a little too cheesy?


I'm not sure. It would definitely detract from that 'realistic' feeling they are trying to project. It would also make keeping it a secret really hard to believe.The funny thing is that I think it's far more realistic to have mutation result in folks born with two toes, a tail and covered with fur than giving off lethal doses of radiation.

[BeastieRunner]

On a related note, how do you guys feel about having more physically deformed mutants on the show? Think Nightcrawler. Would this be a little too cheesy?


I'm not sure. It would definitely detract from that 'realistic' feeling they are trying to project. It would also make keeping it a secret really hard to believe.


The funny thing is that I think it's far more realistic to have mutation result in folks born with two toes, a tail and covered with fur than giving off lethal doses of radiation.

I think the show is going for a more humanist approach as opposed to realistic. I do not think a human born mutated with 7 arms and green fur is less realistic than a human who is born with the ability to generate, manipulate, and have immunity to radiation. I think it is far more in the veins of humanism and easily connected to than a mutated "freak" to the general populace, though.

It's easier on the make-up budget as well. :p

[maczero]

I think the show is going for a more humanist approach as opposed to realistic. I do not think a human born mutated with 7 arms and green fur is less realistic than a human who is born with the ability to generate, manipulate, and have immunity to radiation. I think it is far more in the veins of humanism and easily connected to than a mutated "freak" to the general populace, though.

It's easier on the make-up budget as well. :pYou know that's always bothered me about the X-men. They have god-like powers and look like super models, yet they're always complaining about discrimination. OTOH, most of the morlocks, Beak and Cain's fish boy friend couldn't pass for human and couldn't properly defend themselves due to their lame-ass powers.

[Lord of Denial]

Moderator's note: Do not link to other message boards.

Go down a little ways and click the spoiler button to see the clip.

It's not much but it shows enough to get a feel for the volume 3 Villains.

[Guy1]

Moderator's note: Do not link to other message boards.

Go down a little ways and click the spoiler button to see the clip.

It's not much but it shows enough to get a feel for the volume 3 Villains.

Interesting, looks like Season 3 might be going into darker stuff then the first two.

[Lord of Denial]

Interesting, looks like Season 3 might be going into darker stuff then the first two.

Was the audio hard for you to hear?

[Guy1]

Was the audio hard for you to hear?

A little, but I got the basic idea of it.

[Hulkamaniac]

interesting, looks darker and fun :evilsmile

[Atom_basher]

looks amazing

[BeastieRunner]

Dude, end the strike so we can see this awesome stuff!

[Justin D.]

Here is a video clip with a small, almost indecipherable preview of the Villains story arc. (http://www.heroestheseries.com/heroes-volume-3-villains-sneak-peek-video/)

This is the same video clip that the previous few posts were discussing, but I removed the link for the reason given in those posts.

[Eternal Torment]

Here is a video clip with a small, almost indecipherable preview of the Villains story arc. (http://www.heroestheseries.com/heroes-volume-3-villains-sneak-peek-video/)

This is the same video clip that the previous few posts were discussing, but I removed the link for the reason given in those posts.

Well, Sylar has a grudge against the Company now. The only thing I can say is that they brought it on themselves.

[StoneGold]

Well, Sylar has a grudge against the Company now. The only thing I can say is that they brought it on themselves.

In that they didn't put him down like a mad dog when they had the chance?

[Eternal Torment]

In that they didn't put him down like a mad dog when they had the chance?

That, and actually taking away his abilities. I mean, he was too focused on taking more powers to seek revenge on his imprisonment and the experiments they did on him.

But since the Company messed around with what Sylar valued the most (his powers), he's definitely going to start a one-man war (or maybe more; as he might gain a cloning ability) against them.

[InsaneGame]

Can anyone figure out what Bob is saying to Elle? I swear im hearing something about Claude.

[Chiasm]

Anyone else find it creepy that Peter and Claire are now dating in real life? Sure Hayden Pantierre may be 18 now and legal but Milo V is 30. :eek: A twelve year age difference when both people are past 40 isn't so big a deal. But at their ages its just creepy especially since when they met Hayden was only 16. Even more so that they are relatives on the show.

[Typo Lad]

I find 12 years creepy no matter what.

[saintsaucey]

I find 12 years creepy no matter what.

my minister and my youth group leader married ladies that were 10 and 9 years younger than them

[Typo Lad]

my minister and my youth group leader married ladies that were 10 and 9 years younger than them
Good for them. I hope it works out. I know it does for some. My grandparents, may they rest in peace, had a significant age difference as well.

Doesn't mean I don't, as a general rule, have a knee-jerk "creepy" vibe. Especially more than ten years. Basically, if one party was finishing college while the other was in the middle of high school, that's gonna make me go hnh.

[SPAfreak]

Good for them. I hope it works out. I know it does for some. My grandparents, may they rest in peace, had a significant age difference as well.

Doesn't mean I don't, as a general rule, have a knee-jerk "creepy" vibe. Especially more than ten years. Basically, if one party was finishing college while the other was in the middle of high school, that's gonna make me go hnh.

I think once both have hit retirement age there stops being a creepy factor. Before that it depends on the couple.

[Typo Lad]

I think once both have hit retirement age there stops being a creepy factor. Before that it depends on the couple.
Know what's creepy? When you're out with your friend, whose 34, and her boyfriend is excited becuase next month he can get Senior Citizen discounts.

Not that's creepy.

[Black Atom]

Anyone else find it creepy that Peter and Claire are now dating in real life? Sure Hayden Pantierre may be 18 now and legal but Milo V is 30. :eek: A twelve year age difference when both people are past 40 isn't so big a deal. But at their ages its just creepy especially since when they met Hayden was only 16. Even more so that they are relatives on the show.

It does seem like he'd been waiting to pounce the minute she turned 18, which I do find a bit creepy.

[Phil Clark]

Back on topic, the new Graphic Novel is posted and it hints at how Adam/Takezo could return sooner than later.

This one is pretty cool how it fits into the story of the show, and a bit better than some of the other novels.

[The Shelf]

Indeed. I just read the latest novel and really enjoyed it. It actually showed us stuff that may be relevant to the show as opposed to most of the comics which just fill in gaps that don't really have any bearing on the story. Not to mention it featured one of the better characters on the show. It hinted that Adam may be the ancestor of most, if not all, powered people which is something that many of us already guessed, but it's nice to see more support for that theory. Specifically, it hinted that Adam is an ancestor of Niki Sanders because Sanders was one of his many names. Perhaps he was a grandfather or great-grandfather? Of course, it could go further back than that with the number of wives he has had.

[Lord of Denial]

Know what's creepy? When you're out with your friend, whose 34, and her boyfriend is excited becuase next month he can get Senior Citizen discounts.

Not that's creepy.

Oh yeah

I have a friend that is 24 and I saw him reading his GF AARP magazine. She's 62 but she's rich so to him he probably looks 26.

[DonC]

Am I the only one watching the new graphic novels in the new animated format? "The Ten Brides of Takezo Kensei" was brilliant that way. The music that accompanied the comic was perfectly chilling.

[The Shelf]

I didn't even know they had those. I've been reading the pdfs. I may check that out sometime. It was interesting to see Bob's darker side in the latest issue. Midas Touch, indeed.

[BoosterBronze]

I just finished season 2 so far and am not pleased.
The whole series is about people being stupidly manipulated. It's like every single character was hit with a retard-gun.

Nathan's Mom: "Nathan is crazy."
Nathan's Wife: "Oh, well I better hurry and divorce him."

Adam: "Hey Peter, I'm the good guy."
Peter: "Well shucks, better trust you, not read your mind or anything."

Irish Gangster: "Hey Peter, you should rob banks with us."
Peter: "OK."

Peter: "Sure Veronica Mars, I promise I'm taking the pills that are the only thing that keep my near omnipotent powers in check."
Veronica Mars: "Sweet!"

Bob: "Hey Mohinder, Bennet killed someone."
Mohinder: "Nuts. I guess now I should completely deviate from my quest to destroy the evil company."

West: "Hey Claire, lets do the exact things that will bring destruction down upon us and all we love."
Claire: "Ok"

I'm sure in the last 100+ pages others have compained of these points, so please allow me to just reiterate.

[The Shelf]

I just finished season 2 so far and am not pleased.
The whole series is about people being stupidly manipulated. It's like every single character was hit with a retard-gun.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and try to defend the show. All of the examples you give have explanations, though some of them are pretty weak.


Nathan's Mom: "Nathan is crazy."
Nathan's Wife: "Oh, well I better hurry and divorce him."

There is a popular theory that Nathan's mom's power is to make people trust her by touching them while she talks to them. Kind of like Gambit, only I don't think he had to touch people. It explains Nathan acting so stupid throughout season 1.


Adam: "Hey Peter, I'm the good guy."
Peter: "Well shucks, better trust you, not read your mind or anything."

It's already been established that Peter is the most gullible person on the face of the planet. He's the one character who repeatedly does stuff like this just because people tell him to. I have a theory that his mom used her powers on him so much that it's damaged his brain much like the Haitian did to Claire's mom. I'm just kidding... sorta.


Irish Gangster: "Hey Peter, you should rob banks with us."
Peter: "OK."

See previous.


Peter: "Sure Veronica Mars, I promise I'm taking the pills that are the only thing that keep my near omnipotent powers in check."
Veronica Mars: "Sweet!"

Erm, Mars liked him so much that she let her guard down? She doesn't seem all that bright to begin with. She's a six year old trapped in a 17 year old's body.


Bob: "Hey Mohinder, Bennet killed someone."
Mohinder: "Nuts. I guess now I should completely deviate from my quest to destroy the evil company."

Mohinder's the one case that I have no explanation for. I think he's just a victim of plot induced stupidity.


West: "Hey Claire, lets do the exact things that will bring destruction down upon us and all we love."
Claire: "Ok"

Eh, Claire was taken by his quirky smile or something. I think this was done more as a red herring to make us think the two of them would kill Noah.

[maczero]

Erm, Mars liked him so much that she let her guard down? She doesn't seem all that bright to begin with. She's a six year old trapped in a 17 year old's body.
Elle is only 17? I thought she was at least 20.

[The Shelf]

Elle is only 17? I thought she was at least 20.

Oh, I don't know. I thought she was supposed to be about the same age as Claire. I just made up 17.

[Lord of Denial]

I thought they said she was 24.

[The Shelf]

Yep, you're right. I just checked the Heroes Wiki, and it says she's 24. Unless you changed it just now... I've got my eyes on you. 8-|

[Lord of Denial]

Yep, you're right. I just checked the Heroes Wiki, and it says she's 24. Unless you changed it just now... I've got my eyes on you. 8-|

I am far to lazy to do that. Or am I? Yeah I am.

[BeastieRunner]

Heroes Action Figures
(http://www.action-figure.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22468)
I like that Sylar comes with a brain.:evilsmile

[Madama Butterfly]

Peter: "Sure Veronica Mars, I promise I'm taking the pills that are the only thing that keep my near omnipotent powers in check."
Veronica Mars: "Sweet "!

I LOLed at this one!
The second season was a little dumb, as many people before me pointed out, but in a strange way it was much more fun than season 1.

[Superbeast]

Heroes Action Figures
(http://www.action-figure.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=22468)
I like that Sylar comes with a brain.:evilsmile

Sylar's forehead is too big, Claire looks like she's got mumps and Hiro looks like KD Lang. Only Peter and Mohinder resemble the actors protraying them. Hopefully they'll touch up some of the head sculpts and add some of Sylar's stubble with a light paint application in final production.

[Blueferret]

I like how Mohinder's book appears to have the image of his father on the back of it and not just a generic book.

[wingsofdamnation]

when do new episodes start back up?

[the_coldest_sun]

when do new episodes start back up?

Tomorrow..

[LtMarvel]

Tomorrow..
...right after the scripts arrive from Earth-B, where writers were already getting a decent percentage of DVD and internet sales...

[BeastieRunner]

NBC Renews Chuck, Life and Heroes (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=41991)
Source: NBC
February 13, 2008


NBC has picked up its freshman drama series "Chuck" and "Life" -- as well as its hit "Heroes" -- for the 2008-09 season, it was announced today by Ben Silverman, Co-Chairman, NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios, and Marc Graboff, Co-Chairman, NBC Entertainment and Universal Media Studios.

All three series will have major re-launch campaigns next year.

"We are thrilled to be bringing back the high-energy dramas 'Chuck' and 'Life' for next season," said Silverman. "Additionally, we will be saving and re-launching our #1 drama and most successful franchise, 'Heroes,' so that it will run in all original episodes in the fourth quarter."

"These pickups are a sign of our confidence in these quality series and will allow the respective producers to get a head start on their creative arc for next season," said Graboff. "As a result, they give us a lot to build on as we point to next year's schedule."

[Corey Dreher]

Oh wow, has anyone seen the trailers for Season 3 of Heroes?

From what I hear, this season is suppose to be extremely darker.

[BeastieRunner]

Oh wow, has anyone seen the trailers for Season 3 of Heroes?

From what I hear, this season is suppose to be extremely darker.

I've seen the French stuff. Nothing official has been released yet to my knowledge.

[Legato]

Oh wow, has anyone seen the trailers for Season 3 of Heroes?

From what I hear, this season is suppose to be extremely darker.

I have seen the trailer and yeah Heroes does look like it will take a much darker path,

[Surtur]

It was just announced Heroes will be back on September 15th. It kicks off with a 3 hour premiere, first hour a clip show, then a 2 hour episode. Apparently Nathan's fate is still up in the air.

Gotta say even though its a few months away, I'm pumped. Sylar is back..

[DonC]

According to Parade magazine, Ali Larter will be appearing in Season 3.

[Slappy san]

According to Parade magazine, Ali Larter will be appearing in Season 3.

What about him/her?

[Surtur]

According to Parade magazine, Ali Larter will be appearing in Season 3.


Damn, I want Nathan back..but not her.

[moebius]

Damn, I want Nathan back..but not her.

Hopefully it's brief, in flashbacks.

[Rick Summers]

Posting links is ok yes?
http://www.buddytv.com/articles/heroes/heroes-star-says-season-3-is-g-15207.aspx

[EZMOHR]

Loved Heroes first two seasons. But damn, I'm real wary right now. It feels like Lost Season 4 has been so great, and BSG coming back, Heroes might have fallen off my radar.

Put it this way....I missed Lost way more between Season 3-4 than I have Heroes right now. That is a warning sign for me. Heroes was my favorite show b4 the strike. I think momentum might be dead or dying.

[Pinnacle]

Loved Heroes first two seasons. But damn, I'm real wary right now. It feels like Lost Season 4 has been so great, and BSG coming back, Heroes might have fallen off my radar.

Put it this way....I missed Lost way more between Season 3-4 than I have Heroes right now. That is a warning sign for me. Heroes was my favorite show b4 the strike. I think momentum might be dead or dying.

Man, not me, I really miss Heroes and 24 (my two favorite shows). I'm a LOST fan too but to me it's just not the same. I REALLY miss Heroes and hope it comes back strong in the fall.

[Surtur]

I'm quite excited about it. You know NBC is gonna promote the hell out of Heroes when the time comes. I think if they deliver a solid premiere, with the following 1-2 episodes being good as well, they can get back their old fanbase and old momentum. Last season might of been shaky, but people I think are still craving heroes for the most part.

I'm gonna start speculating now..in some of the previews I saw it showed Sylar kinda messing with HRG. HRG is in the company's prison, right? So Sylar must be there and one could assume there are other people with powers in the prison that the company deemed "dangerous". I'm thinking maybe Sylar went there to bust them out or to gain their powers? Or to bust them out and use them for a while until he decides to gain their powers? The season is called "villains" and it would be great to see some new villains united under Sylar's considerable power. He might realize for now he needs people to have his back more than anything.

[marshal99]

I think one of the promo did show a new villain killing someone and show Mama petrelli talking about some of the villains (i think).
I think that donut eating Parkman will die in the upcoming season judging from that short preview since it showed parkman apparently dead.

I imagine Sylar will be going after the company in the 3rd season much like Adam did in the 2nd since the company did try to take away Sylar's ability. The preview did show that a rematch between Sylar & elle will happen.

BTW , HRG isn't in the prison , he's back working for the company and the one that shot nathan.

[Surtur]

Oh yeah damn forgot he got out...


So, do we know if Sylar has all his powers back, or just TK? I can't see him being very happy with just TK.

I wanna see Sylar slap down Elle..

[Rick Summers]

Oh yeah damn forgot he got out...


So, do we know if Sylar has all his powers back, or just TK? I can't see him being very happy with just TK.

I wanna see Sylar slap down Elle..

Well if Sylar got back one stolen power I imagine he has them all. Why would he only have one power that wasn't originally his?

If Elle tries to electrocute him, can he defend against that?

[Surtur]

Well if Sylar got back one stolen power I imagine he has them all. Why would he only have one power that wasn't originally his?

Well if you remember when the company did testing on him they could only find he had TK, when he obviously had other powers.



If Elle tries to electrocute him, can he defend against that?

It depends on if he is ready for her. He either seems to be able to put up a TK shield, or just be rather durable, as he has survived stuff no human should..and all without Claire's healing factor.

I'd say Elle would have to get the drop on him and use her most powerful blast and even then it wouldn't be guaranteed.

[marshal99]

And now that he has got Claire's blood via the needle which cured him , he probably should have the full healing powers as well now. As such , Elle's electricity can't really kill him.

[Surtur]

And now that he has got Claire's blood via the needle which cured him , he probably should have the full healing powers as well now. As such , Elle's electricity can't really kill him.

This is a hard one to call..he might need to consume her brain to get the power permanently..I guess only time will tell.

[The Shelf]

And now that he has got Claire's blood via the needle which cured him , he probably should have the full healing powers as well now. As such , Elle's electricity can't really kill him.

That depends on how long a regenerator's blood works when transfused. I'm pretty sure it's only temporary. Otherwise, Nathan and Noah would both be immortal now, and I don't think the writers wanted to go that far. Remember, all the powers in Heroes come from the brain (which is why Sylar goes for the brains when he takes powers). Anyone who gets their head chopped off loses their powers. So once the blood leaves Claire's or Adam's body, it is cut off from the brain that gives it regenerative powers. Obviously, it retains those powers for a short time, though, so the real question is just how long that amount of time is.

In short, the only thing Sylar could do to survive a full-on blast from Elle is to soak her in water or use some other conductive material to draw the electricity away from himself. A TK shield wouldn't protect him against electricity like it did against a long fall.

[marshal99]

Sylar has plenty of abilities , some of which we probably have yet to see since the start of the series , he already killed like a dozen (?) people already as the FBI was looking for him. Some of the known abilities he has though - Super hearing , freezing power , super memory , melting power , radioactive powers , TK , whether he got the shapeshifting powers of whatshername is unclear since he was powerless at that time but with Jeph Loeb writing , it wouldn't be a surprise if he does have.

[Surtur]

He should of still aquired the DNA needed for the shapeshifting power, its just the virus blocked him from accessing it. So he should have it..

[Stretch Dude]

He should of still aquired the DNA needed for the shapeshifting power, its just the virus blocked him from accessing it. So he should have it..

For god's sake... SHE'S NOT A SHAPESHIFTER, SHE CREATES ILLUSIONS.

[The Shelf]

He should of still aquired the DNA needed for the shapeshifting power, its just the virus blocked him from accessing it. So he should have it..

No he shouldn't. His power lets him steal other people's powers. If he doesn't have his power, then he can't steal other's powers. If Candice was still alive, then Sylar could go back and get her power now, but he can't 'cause he killed her when his powers were inactive.

And yeah, it's illusions, not shapeshifting.

[Surtur]

Yeah yeah I get it, illusions, you all knew what I meant.

[DonC]

Here's a little video announcing that Heroes Season 3 has begun production.

There may be spoilers if you aren't up on certain things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ur-iKnIzgk

[Affinity]

Malcolm McDowell announced that Linderman is back next season yesterday at the Big Apple Con! Cool news.