New Exiles

[Novaya Havoc]

Why, look!

It's the cover for New Exiles #1! (http://novayahavoc.blogspot.com/2007/10/breathe-easy-nocturne-fans-new-exiles-1.html)

And guess who isn't in the cast anymore?!

[Brian Cronin]

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I will give Claremont this. While I have no real interest in this particular assortment of characters, it is definitely what one would call New Exiles!!

You got, what, ONE old school character?

And one additional SORTA old school character.

Plus two regular Marvel Universe characters, plus three variants of classic X-Characters.

-Brian

[Pro]

Nice art but not interested in the line-up. I want to see alternate reality versions on Exiles and preferably b or c-list characters made more interesting by a twist of fate.

So male Mystique and Morph fun, the rest kinda meh. Rogue i can somewhat understand because you can go a lot of ways with alternates of a character who absorbs personality and powers.

[Gene M.]

What the eff is "Cat Pryde" doing? Seriously? Just hanging out on her knees looking all come-hither? And way to dress like you're trying to get backstage at the Winger reunion concert, alternate Rogue. At least Sabertooth doesn't look like an idiot. YES, this is the same thing I posted on your blog, Ben!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

So Blink and Nocturne are both out? :confused:

I wonder what will happen to them. Claremont made it very clear in that interview at the start of the year that he intended to move Nocturne onto eXiles.

Surprised to see Morph still there. Disappointed to see Psylocke still there.

And what exactly makes this version of Rogue significantly different from the Rogue we know?

[Gene M.]

So Blink and Nocturne are both out? :confused:

I wonder what will happen to them. Claremont made it very clear in that interview at the start of the year that he intended to move Nocturne onto eXiles.

Surprised to see Morph still there. Disappointed to see Psylocke still there.

And what exactly makes this version of Rogue significantly different from the Rogue we know?
This one still dresses like it's 1987.

[drwho]

that cover is worth being in a thread all its own. I guess all originality is being sucked out of Exiles. I mean Sabretooth is sporting the Wolverine look now. No I think I will be passing on this. Rogue has a bad haircut. For once Sage looks clueless. kitty on her knees in front of sabes= dirty thoughts.
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[The Sword Is Drawn]

This one still dresses like it's 1987.

Apparently so. How silly of me. That obviously makes her a worthy addition...:rolleyes: :D

[cgar]

im rather annoyed that psylocke is still there...she should so be involved in Messiah Complex with the rest of the xmen imo instead of saving worlds that dont matter

[The Sword Is Drawn]

that cover is worth being in a thread all its own. I guess all originality is being sucked out of Exiles. I mean Sabretooth is sporting the Wolverine look now. No I think I will be passing on this. Rogue has a bad haircut. For once Sage looks clueless. kitty on her knees in front of sabes= dirty thoughts.
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And what's wrong with dirty thoughts? :confused:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

im rather annoyed that psylocke is still there...she should so be involved in Messiah Complex with the rest of the xmen imo instead of saving worlds that dont matter

Sod that. She should finally be back home, protecting her Country. God knows, somebody has to.

[cgar]

Sod that. She should finally be back home, protecting her Country. God knows, somebody has to.


yah i wouldnt mind that either

[drwho]

And what's wrong with dirty thoughts? :confused:

Nothing, but that cover is god awful for a first issue cover. If I go to the store and see that cover I would walk right by. Kind of has a She-Ra/ Rainbow Brite look to it.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Nothing, but that cover is god awful for a first issue cover. If I go to the store and see that cover I would walk right by. Kind of has a She-Ra/ Rainbow Brite look to it.

I agree, it's not exactly going to blow anybody away. Is it me, or are Marvel having a bit of a shortage of artists capable of covers that grab attention, right now? Unless it's an uber-gritty art style a lot of covers seem a bit bland, right now.

[cgar]

wtf is sabretooth the new wolverine...chris basically writes sabretooth as what wolverine would say and do.

[Brian Cronin]

By the by, I don't believe that's actually the cover. I think it's just promotional artwork.

-Brian

[drwho]

http://kellilla.com/me/costuming/shera/shera_sidebar.jpg

Any1 here able to stick She Ra on that cover? Yeah I had to ask.:p

[ImpulseUCF]

Well, the fact that these characters will not have been in Exiles before is about the only thing new about it.
[quote]Plus two regular Marvel Universe characters, plus three variants of classic X-Characters.Huh? How do you figure? I see 6 alternate X-characters and Morph.

[Pach!]

Well, the fact that these characters will not have been in Exiles before is about the only thing new about it.
Huh? How do you figure? I see 6 alternate X-characters and Morph.

Sage and Psylocke are 616. That's what he meant. 2 "Original versions", 4 "alternate versions

[Dizzy D]

Well, the fact that these characters will not have been in Exiles before is about the only thing new about it.
Huh? How do you figure? I see 6 alternate X-characters and Morph.

Yeah, it took me a second too, but with "regular Marvel Universe" he means Sage and Betsy (as in 616 characters (HA, all the 616-term haters, see how it can be useful!)) not as in non-X MU characters.

So

You got, what, ONE old school character?

Morph, though with Proteus-Morph debatable.

And one additional SORTA old school character.
Sabretooth

Plus two regular Marvel Universe characters,
Bets and Sage

plus three variants of classic X-Characters.
Rogue, Kitty, Raven.

[KidNewWave]

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So what's happening to Blink, Longshot, and Warpath?


Excalibur-
Captain Britain
Pete Wisdom
Nocturne
Dazzler
Sage Out
Juggernaut Out

That leaves 2/3 new spots ???????
They could really mix things up in Excalibur

Blink being away from Sabretooth will be a VERY GOOD THING!

[Lanowar]

Why is it these days with Claremont writing everything seems like a countdown to a Jim Jaspers apperance.

[CmX]

This title already makes me feel sad and its still yet to debut.

[jarrod]

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/wizarduniverse_1973_309731319.jpg
So what's happening to Blink, Longshot, and Warpath?


Excalibur-
Captain Britain
Pete Wisdom
Nocturne
Dazzler
Sage Out
Juggernaut Out

That leaves 2/3 new spots ???????
They could really mix things up in Excalibur

Blink being away from Sabretooth will be a VERY GOOD THING!
Nocturne and Dazzler are confirmed gone from Excalibur too btw.

[DDM]

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I will give Claremont this. While I have no real interest in this particular assortment of characters, it is definitely what one would call New Exiles!!

You got, what, ONE old school character?

And one additional SORTA old school character.

Plus two regular Marvel Universe characters, plus three variants of classic X-Characters.

-Brian

Why is Rogue so tall? I guess we will find out how different Rogue is from the mainstream Marvel Universe counterpart...

As for Cat, isn't she her Earth's Captain America?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Why is it these days with Claremont writing everything seems like a countdown to a Jim Jaspers apperance.

Well, I think Claremont sees Jaspers as the one which got away. He had big plans to use him back in the mid 80s, and The Fury, but largely due to Alan Moore and Marvel not being on speaking terms at the time, it was vetoed. As the original reality warping mutant what X-Writer wouldn't fancy get their hands on writing Jaspers?

Nocturne and Dazzler are confirmed gone from Excalibur too btw.

Have they genuinely be confirmed gone? I couldn't really see them fitting the new status quo, but at the same point they do bring their fans with them.

As for Cat, isn't she her Earth's Captain America?

Apparently, yes. Although to look at that cover it does seem more than a little bit bizarre a concept, doesn't it. She doesn't look like like she'd stand so much of a chance against the Red Skull, really, does she?:D

[Novaya Havoc]

I think one of Roma's several giant tears from DBtS should be a cast member of New Exiles.
sorry for stealing your mojo, Andres!

[Babylon23]

I've pretty much avoided this thread until now, since Claremont-related threads are pretty negative on these boards, but I was wondering if the new Exiles team had been officially announced yet.

[Hi-Fi]

I've pretty much avoided this thread until now, since Claremont-related threads are pretty negative on these boards, but I was wondering if the new Exiles team had been officially announced yet.

Psylocke
Sabretooth
Morph
Sage
Alternate Kitty Pryde
Alternate Rogue
Mystiq

[Joe Franklin]

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Since my favorite Marvel mutant Sabretooth is in this, It looks like I will be buying this title as long as Sabretooth is in it. The awesome Grummett art helps as well.

[Babylon23]

Thanks guys. Psylocke and Kitty (even an alternate Kitty) ensure that I'll check this out. Grummett as artist certainly helps.

[CmX]

I liked Grummett's art back in the 90's when he was drawing the Robin series, but I would have thought his art would have improved by now.. but it looks kinda generic. Maybe it's the inker/colorist ?

[Joe Franklin]

I liked Grummett's art back in the 90's when he was drawing the Robin series, but I would have thought his art would have improved by now.. but it looks kinda generic. Maybe it's the inker/colorist ?

Grummett's art looked amazing in the 80's when he was drawing Titans, and Al Vey was inking it. It looked just like George Perez's Titans art.:cool:

[drwho]

I came up with what I think is a cool idea. How about having someone like say the Living Tribunal punish the Scarlet Witch by giving her brains back and forcing her to work with the Exiles because she F-ed up reality? CC if you take my idea I may actually buy the book.

[KidNewWave]

I really like Nocturne and Dazzlers relationship.
where the hell will they end up?


A Blink, Nocturne, & Dazzler, in a spin-off? :p

[Babylon23]

I liked Grummett's art back in the 90's when he was drawing the Robin series, but I would have thought his art would have improved by now.. but it looks kinda generic. Maybe it's the inker/colorist ?

IIRC, his work on Robin was inked by Ray Kryssing. It had a thicker line than the usual Grummett inkers and was guite a bit darker. That could have been part of why it appeals to you more than his regular work. The darker style could also have been a choice on Grummett's part given the nature of the book.

[jester1436]

Since my favorite Marvel mutant Sabretooth is in this, It looks like I will be buying this title as long as Sabretooth is in it. The awesome Grummett art helps as well.

But that's not Sabretooth, that's Wolverine with a dye job.

[blinkinrogue]

I really like Nocturne and Dazzlers relationship.
where the hell will they end up?


A Blink, Nocturne, & Dazzler, in a spin-off? :p

yes, where will they go i wonder, especially blink :confused:

[Phil Hunn]

So Blink and Nocturne are both out? :confused:

Sorta kills the purpose of the book to kick out Blink, doesn't it? :(

Apparently so. How silly of me. That obviously makes her a worthy addition...

Hey, it could be worse. She could be rocking a mullet, leg-warmers and a Bay City Rollers t-shirt. And have a mobile phone in her jacket that needs a backpack-sized battery.

And what's wrong with dirty thoughts?

Everything. They distract you from useful, productive things like cutting yourself.

Why is Rogue so tall?

I think that's just dodgy perspective.

Apparently, yes. Although to look at that cover it does seem more than a little bit bizarre a concept, doesn't it. She doesn't look like like she'd stand so much of a chance against the Red Skull, really, does she?:D

Well, if her universe's version of the Red Skull is a woman, there'd obviously be too much sexual tension for any fighting to go on :p

But that's not Sabretooth, that's Wolverine with a dye job.

Because he's worth it.

[Karl H]

I have nothing positive to say about either that cover or that line-up.

Sabervine's gonna start saying Bub next at this rate.

[Magneto X]

Psylocke
Sabretooth
Morph
Sage
Alternate Kitty Pryde
Alternate Rogue
Mystiq

Why would any team need both Morph and Mystiq?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Sorta kills the purpose of the book to kick out Blink, doesn't it? :(

It really does. I mean eXiles almost was a vehicle for Blink. And it was the Millennium Visions project which Nocturne came from which sparked the concept of eXiles in the first place. Take both away and what are you really left with?

Hey, it could be worse. She could be rocking a mullet, leg-warmers and a Bay City Rollers t-shirt. And have a mobile phone in her jacket that needs a backpack-sized battery.

Rogue from a universe where the early 80s never ended....:eek: Actually there's perverse part of me that finds that actually likes that concept...

Everything. They distract you from useful, productive things like cutting yourself.

Lol. I think I'm a bit too old to be that emo. :D

Well, if her universe's version of the Red Skull is a woman, there'd obviously be too much sexual tension for any fighting to go on

It's a whole multiverse of glorious possibilities... :rolleyes:

[Flâneur]

It really does. I mean eXiles almost was a vehicle for Blink. And it was the Millennium Visions project which Nocturne came from which sparked the concept of eXiles in the first place. Take both away and what are you really left with?
The stoic and talented Diana Fox?

I don't think the characters were the vehicle for the concept, one of the strengths was that bit by bit the structure would be taken apart - which was part of Bedard's problem since he didn't destabilise things properly. So I don't think the book will suffer from Blink and Nocturne's absence but instead it may suffer because of what they're being replaced with.

[Phil Hunn]

It really does. I mean eXiles almost was a vehicle for Blink. And it was the Millennium Visions project which Nocturne came from which sparked the concept of eXiles in the first place. Take both away and what are you really left with?

A very hollow book indeed, sadly, which is full of Claremont pets instead of some new characters (or at least versions of older characters with halfway-interesting new spins on them).

Rogue from a universe where the early 80s never ended....:eek: Actually there's perverse part of me that finds that actually likes that concept...

All I really want to remember from the 80s are the cartoons (Transformers, Thundercats, Dungeons & Dragons, MASK and so on were the highlights of my 7-year-old life). And far too much about the team selection of Tottenham Hotspur, thanks to a stepfather, younger brother and youngest sister who are all big fans of said North London side.

Lol. I think I'm a bit too old to be that emo. :D

Heh.

You're never too old to self-harm, trust me.

It's a whole multiverse of glorious possibilities... :rolleyes:

I know I can't wait.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The stoic and talented Diana Fox?

Yeah. You know I don't entirely mind Sage being on eXiles, providing she's there to take over the vacant Heather Hudson role. Actually out in the field I find her far too annoying. She's not in the same league in a battle scenario as any other X-Man. But Claremont insist on compensating for that by constantly making everybody say how wonderful she is. :mad:

It just doesn't work...:(

I don't think the characters were the vehicle for the concept, one of the strengths was that bit by bit the structure would be taken apart - which was part of Bedard's problem since he didn't destabilise things properly. So I don't think the book will suffer from Blink and Nocturne's absence but instead it may suffer because of what they're being replaced with.

Well the whole 'Bug' revelation really screwed the book over, no doubt...

I meant in the initial phase of the book that was kind of the hook for people. It's Blink, and it's Morph! Well, not THE Morph we knew from AoA, but similar! Oh, and that alternate kid of Nightcrawler we saw a while back...

You can't deny that they helped pull people into the series.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

A very hollow book indeed, sadly, which is full of Claremont pets instead of some new characters (or at least versions of older characters with halfway-interesting new spins on them).

That's what kind of worries me. Unless they are noticeably different in personality I really don't think I'll find too much interest in them. If I want to read Rogue I read her in X-Men, if I want to read Kitty Pryde I'll go back and read my old issues of Excalibur, back in the days when I found her readable.

What also disappoints me more is that after being a book which has embraced the Marvel Universe more as a whole over the last couple of years this looks purely X-Centric. I see that as a bit of a step back in many ways.

All I really want to remember from the 80s are the cartoons (Transformers, Thundercats, Dungeons & Dragons, MASK and so on were the highlights of my 7-year-old life). And far too much about the team selection of Tottenham Hotspur, thanks to a stepfather, younger brother and youngest sister who are all big fans of said North London side.

And a quality set of cartoons they were indeed. For me I also want to remember a time when my favoured Nottingham Forest actually played in a League I cared about... :mad:

[Karl H]

Great cartoons, a great toyline and Ipswich town were vaguely good at football.

But, it's not an era I want to go back to in comics.

I mean if you're going to showcase characters, why not have one or all of the following - who don't have 616 living (or at least used) counterparts!

Banshee
Thunderbird
Cece Reyes (admittedly I hate CC's Cece but I'd compromise)
Wendell Vaughan

And some alternate characters. As it is, these are all X-team characters and pretty much fall in the category of characters I don't particularly care for.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Totally. I see little in these new acquisitions that we can't get from mainstream continuity.

Why not gives us another Banshee or Thunderbird? Or a more useful Doug Ramsey or Moira McTaggert? Characters we can't see in mainstream continuity, anymore.

Or a pre-existing character from a different dimension. I've always wanted to see more of Bloodstorm from Mutant X, for example.

[ImpulseUCF]

Or why not something completely, radiclly different as promised in the interviews?? I mean, Exiles is a good vehicle for some compelling, twisted, dark characterization. If he must use X-characters.... what about a tortured Logan that actually failed to control the beast within and slaughtered all of the X-Men, still haunting him? His struggle is to atone for kill Jean, Ororo, Jubilee, Kitty.. British body Betsy?A Moira hardened by killing her son and who turned on Xavier?

A Shi'Ar or Skrull character? Kree? Nimrod who gained sentience and realized his errors? I mean, anything other than an almost transparent swipe of his current favorite Claremontian Princesses and a few typecasts (Token. I mean, Logan. I mean, Creed. ), Morph is comedic relief? Come on.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Some good ideas there actually, ImpulseUCF.

It seems so odd for the guy who created such a huge chunk of X-Men continuity to so far show a lack of willingness to actually play what if with it.

[Phil Hunn]

That's what kind of worries me. Unless they are noticeably different in personality I really don't think I'll find too much interest in them. If I want to read Rogue I read her in X-Men, if I want to read Kitty Pryde I'll go back and read my old issues of Excalibur, back in the days when I found her readable.

What also disappoints me more is that after being a book which has embraced the Marvel Universe more as a whole over the last couple of years this looks purely X-Centric. I see that as a bit of a step back in many ways.

Indeed. We're going from a book that starred Power Princess and Spider-Man 2099 as well as Blink & Nocturne to... X-Men Redux. Yawn.

Great cartoons, a great toyline and Ipswich town were vaguely good at football.

You live in East Anglia as well? You have my sympathy :p

But, it's not an era I want to go back to in comics.

I mean if you're going to showcase characters, why not have one or all of the following - who don't have 616 living (or at least used) counterparts!

Well, if rumours are true, Cat Pryde might soon be the only living Kitty around, so you might well get your wish. Although given the choice between Cat Pryde and, say, an embittered, physically-scarred and mentally-imbalanced version of Thunderbird III who'd been forced to burn his entire family to ashes in order to save them from Phalanx techno-virus infection (and to save his neighbourhood and homeland from becoming a gas-choked, techno-organic waste ground), I'll take Thunderbird III. And that's saying something, considering how vehemently I dislike the guy.

Totally. I see little in these new acquisitions that we can't get from mainstream continuity.

Why not gives us another Banshee or Thunderbird? Or a more useful Doug Ramsey or Moira McTaggert? Characters we can't see in mainstream continuity, anymore.

Or a pre-existing character from a different dimension. I've always wanted to see more of Bloodstorm from Mutant X, for example.

Bloodstorm showing up would be neat... although I can see her usurping the leadership eventually, so maybe it's not such a good idea :p

Or why not something completely, radiclly different as promised in the interviews?? I mean, Exiles is a good vehicle for some compelling, twisted, dark characterization. If he must use X-characters.... what about a tortured Logan that actually failed to control the beast within and slaughtered all of the X-Men, still haunting him? His struggle is to atone for kill Jean, Ororo, Jubilee, Kitty.. British body Betsy?A Moira hardened by killing her son and who turned on Xavier?

Neat ideas. I may have to pinch them at some point ;)

Some good ideas there actually, ImpulseUCF.

It seems so odd for the guy who created such a huge chunk of X-Men continuity to so far show a lack of willingness to actually play what if with it.

Indeed so. Where is the guy who gave us Days Of Future Past, for instance?

[Karl H]

You live in East Anglia as well? You have my sympathy :p

For my sins yes. It's not that bad. Actually, yeah, you're right. It is.


Well, if rumours are true, Cat Pryde might soon be the only living Kitty around, so you might well get your wish. Although given the choice between Cat Pryde and, say, an embittered, physically-scarred and mentally-imbalanced version of Thunderbird III who'd been forced to burn his entire family to ashes in order to save them from Phalanx techno-virus infection (and to save his neighbourhood and homeland from becoming a gas-choked, techno-organic waste ground), I'll take Thunderbird III. And that's saying something, considering how vehemently I dislike the guy.
yeah I realised that when writing it but had written so much I didn't wanna contradict a perfectly reasonable point I felt I was making!

[Swashbuckler]

I mean, anything other than an almost transparent swipe of his current favorite Claremontian Princesses and a few typecasts

I laughed out loud at this. Claremontian Princesses! That should just be the new title of the book.

[DDM]

Why would any team need both Morph and Mystiq?

Mystiq can only change her face & body to look like someone else; whereas, Morph can change his form into almost anything.

[Phil Hunn]

For my sins yes. It's not that bad. Actually, yeah, you're right. It is.

Ipswich wouldn't be so wretched if there weren't so many chavs around. It'd still be crap, but at least the streets wouldn't be filled with people loaded down with jewellery nicked from the Mr T Collection, or with teenage girls dragging around about ten illegitimate kids each...

... God, I really want to emigrate. My trip to Chicago for this year's WizardWorld was such an eye-opener. I didn't want to come home :(

yeah I realised that when writing it but had written so much I didn't wanna contradict a perfectly reasonable point I felt I was making!

Perfectly sound thinking, I reckon :)

[steve2275]

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frederick wins
fatality

[jester1436]

The stoic and talented Diana Fox?


Whenever I see the name "Diana Fox", I think of pop music's greatest trash pop lesbian, England's own Samantha Fox, and feel amused.

"Now I know it's true.... naughty girls need love TOO."

[Phil Hunn]

Whenever I see the name "Diana Fox", I think of pop music's greatest trash pop lesbian, England's own Samantha Fox, and feel amused.

"Now I know it's true.... naughty girls need love TOO."

Hmmph. I'd never heard that about Sam Fox before.

Shows you how much pop culture interests me, doesn't it? ;)

[GoingGreen]

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I present to you Claremont's NEW EXILES... pt 1

[jester1436]

Hmmph. I'd never heard that about Sam Fox before.

Shows you how much pop culture interests me, doesn't it? ;)

http://i23.tinypic.com/2lcl6jk.jpg

It's Sam Fox and her partner Myra Stratton!

[GoingGreen]

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Claremont's NEW EXILES pt 2. Complete with two alt reality Storm's. May his fantasies serve him well.

[Phil Hunn]

http://i23.tinypic.com/2lcl6jk.jpg

It's Sam Fox and her partner Myra Stratton!

Well, as I live and breathe.

That definitely proves that love is blind :p

... I'll get me coat.

[Askani's Flame]

http://i23.tinypic.com/2lcl6jk.jpg

It's Sam Fox and her partner Myra Stratton!

Is this the same Samantha Fox who sang "Touch Me" in the 80's?

[jester1436]

Is this the same Samantha Fox who sang "Touch Me" in the 80's?

Yup, she also sang "Naughty Girls (Need Love Too)" and "(Hurt Me! Hurt Me!) But The Pants Stay On."

She's classic.

[Magneto X]

That's what kind of worries me. Unless they are noticeably different in personality I really don't think I'll find too much interest in them. If I want to read Rogue I read her in X-Men

Wait ... don't assume Rogue in X-Men won't radically change.

She's lost her historical powers.

She's got a death touch.

She's gone crazy with a billion minds.

And she's in Mystique and Sinister's capable hands.

Compared to her, Classic Rogue is very very different.

I kind of hope it's Villain Rogue.

Mystiq can only change her face & body to look like someone else; whereas, Morph can change his form into almost anything.

Hello! Then why need Mystiq!?!

[CmX]

Mystiq can only change her face & body to look like someone else; whereas, Morph can change his form into almost anything.

Exactly. So if Morph can transform into literally anything, why would we need some generic loser that can only change their human appearance?

[Phil Hunn]

Hello! Then why need Mystiq!?!

Because otherwise we won't have at least one shapeshifter with an indomitable will.

... wait a sec, Mystiq is a guy. He'll suck just as much as Morph :p

[DDM]

Exactly. So if Morph can transform into literally anything, why would we need some generic loser that can only change their human appearance?

Mystiq is far more complex a character;s/he plays the poltical angle using her powers. Morph is just about the humor. Apples & oranges.

With alternate Rogue on the team, it is bound to play up some kind of dramatic tension.

[Speed]

Just because Morph & Mystiq have similar powers, doesn't mean they can't exist on the same team.
They have completely different personalities and backstories.

Are Emma Frost & Professor Xavier not allowed to be in the same book? They have similar powers.

[DDM]

Are Emma Frost & Professor Xavier not allowed to be in the same book? They have similar powers.

Don't forget Phoenix. Grant Morrison had 3 powerful telepaths on his team at once.

[Speed]

Don't forget Phoenix. Grant Morrison had 3 powerful telepaths on his team at once. Exactly. Past writers have proven they can write good stories with characters who have similar powers as long as there are stories to tell.

[CmX]

Mystiq is far more complex a character;s/he plays the poltical angle using her powers. Morph is just about the humor. Apples & oranges.

With alternate Rogue on the team, it is bound to play up some kind of dramatic tension.

How is Mystiq a complex character? He hasn't done ANYTHING we know nothing about him other than his wife and kid are dead. God the character hasn't truly really been introduced or revealed and you're already worshiping the guy ugh so tired.

And Morrison had three telepaths at once yes, but Morrison can manage his plots to where they make SENSE, CC on the other hand is not capable of such things.

[Phil Hunn]

Are Emma Frost & Professor Xavier not allowed to be in the same book?

Considering Marvel's mindset right now? I'd imagine not...

And Morrison had three telepaths at once yes, but Morrison can manage his plots to where they make SENSE, CC on the other hand is not capable of such things.

I wouldn't always go that far. Morrison's plots can sometimes go even further off the rails than even his bravest fans can stomach.

[DDM]

How is Mystiq a complex character? He hasn't done ANYTHING we know nothing about him other than his wife and kid are dead. God the character hasn't truly really been introduced or revealed and you're already worshiping the guy ugh so tired.

And Morrison had three telepaths at once yes, but Morrison can manage his plots to where they make SENSE, CC on the other hand is not capable of such things.

Mystiq is a variation of Mystique. Mystiq will more than likely have a few more twists than out own Raven Darkholme.

[Blade X]

Why would any team need both Morph and Mystiq?

I agree. Two shapeshifters on the same team (even though their powers work differently) is just too damn redundant. To me this is similar to having both X-23 and Elixer on the same team. I hated it in NXM and I don't like it in NEW EXILES.

[CmX]

Mystiq is a variation of Mystique. Mystiq will more than likely have a few more twists than out own Raven Darkholme.

Uh I know, why are you answering my question with an answer that is obvious to everyone? We know he's a freak'n alternate version of Mystique stop veering off the matter at hand.

And how can you just make up assumptions for CC? We don't know anything and you're already starting your thing that thing that DDM does where he attempts to fill in all of CC's holes with bizarro answers and theories you just make up.

[Blade X]

A very hollow book indeed, sadly, which is full of Claremont pets instead of some new characters (or at least versions of older characters with halfway-interesting new spins on them).

All I really want to remember from the 80s are the cartoons (Transformers, Thundercats, Dungeons & Dragons, MASK and so on were the highlights of my 7-year-old life). And far too much about the team selection of Tottenham Hotspur, thanks to a stepfather, younger brother and youngest sister who are all big fans of said North London side.

The last time CC created new characters, internet fans started b****ing about how crappy those characters were and asking why couldn't CC use older existing character rotting away in limbo. That being said, I agree with you and I wish this NEW EXILES roster was comprised of new and lesser known characters, as well as older established characters. I have a strong feeling that the roster for NEW EXILES was MOSTLY editorially driven.

You need to add BIONIC SIX,REAL GHOSTBUSTERS,SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS,MIGHTY ORBOTS,and GALAXY RANGERS to the list of great 80's cartoons.

[worstblogever]

The last time CC created new characters, internet fans started b****ing about how crappy those characters were and asking why couldn't CC use older existing character rotting away in limbo. That being said, I agree with you and I wish this NEW EXILES roster was comprised of new and lesser known characters, as well as older established characters. I have a strong feeling that the roster for NEW EXILES was MOSTLY editorially driven.


I would guess editorial is trying to negotiate with him to give the guy characters he can't write without negative impact on the majority of fans who are tired of his contrived plots and patterns. There's a large percentage who think he's past his prime. There's also a minority of diehards who can't get enough of the guy. Problem is, CC's writing style means established characters are going to end up changing A LOT personality wise, or powers wise, or get killed outright. Which irks a lot of fans of old characters. Whereas his new characters are rehashes, or deus ex machinas who get favoritism over all the established characters. Factor in bad dialogue that seems empty... or formulaic plots, or tendency to abuse alternate realities and reality warping and there it is. So, Marvel's left with trying to stay loyal to a legendary creator with a loyal fanbase in the minority without pissing off that majority. They still want to milk CC for all he's worth. I can respect Marvel, CC, and his fans for that. But am I going to stay silent while he mishandles the X-franchise to make it near impossible for any other writer to craft a really good story by sabotaging all established characters? Nuh uh.

I'll give credit where its due, I think CC's best writing since his prime (back in the 80s) is when he writes intergalactic epic stories. Because nobody on planet Earth speaks like he writes dialogue, so it almost makes sense.

[Phil Hunn]

The last time CC created new characters, internet fans started b****ing about how crappy those characters were and asking why couldn't CC use older existing character rotting away in limbo.

Well, there is a way of creating new characters and making them highly appealling - CC did it with most of the 80s X-Men roster, after all.

I haven't seen that kind of approach taken with many (if any) of CC's post-Revolution characters - especially the villains. I doubt Rogue would be here now if she'd been treated like Thunderbird III or the Neo, after all.

You need to add BIONIC SIX,REAL GHOSTBUSTERS,SPIDER-MAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS,MIGHTY ORBOTS,and GALAXY RANGERS to the list of great 80's cartoons.

I've only seen two of those. Centurions I remember, though.

[Jesse Newcomb]

I have a strong feeling that the roster for NEW EXILES was MOSTLY editorially driven.


There we go again, the CC sycophants blaming his piss poor writing on the editors.

If the cast of Exiles was always editorially driven, then why didn't we see more AU versions of the popular characters like Wolverine, Captain America, or Spider-Man?


No, this cast is all Claremont. It reeks of it. Try harder.

[jester1436]

I agree. Two shapeshifters on the same team (even though their powers work differently) is just too damn redundant. To me this is similar to having both X-23 and Elixer on the same team. I hated it in NXM and I don't like it in NEW EXILES.

I really don't see how that's a very good comparison, regarding X-23 and Elixer. Two people who can shapeshift their bodies isn't comparable to one person being able to heal herself as one of a larger power set and another being able to heal others and that's it.

[Jesse Newcomb]

Also, X-23 has more than just some healing factor which she can't heal people with anyway. She also has those claws and that toe claw too.

The telepath thing? Grant gave Emma diamond form which made her different from Jean. And the redundency never really popped in my head because the stories were that good that I forgot about it.

Claremont's current stuff from 2000 has made it really hard for me to suspend my disbelief. Sorry.

[Blade X]

I would guess editorial is trying to negotiate with him to give the guy characters he can't write without negative impact on the majority of fans who are tired of his contrived plots and patterns. There's a large percentage who think he's past his prime.

I think that is mostly the online fans who can't stand CC's writing. I think (and I could be wrong) that MOST fans who don't post on the net, are indifferent to CC and could care less about whether or not he's writing a particular book, but whether or not the final product is actually good.

[Blade X]

There we go again, the CC sycophants blaming his piss poor writing on the editors.

If the cast of Exiles was always editorially driven, then why didn't we see more AU versions of the popular characters like Wolverine, Captain America, or Spider-Man?


No, this cast is all Claremont. It reeks of it. Try harder.

I NEVER said the cast of EXILES was "ALWAYS" editorially driven, only that THIS CAST (if it's actually the new team roster) was MOSTLY editorially driven. Remember, Axel Alonso is now the top editor for ALL of the X-books and he has a different vision of what the X-books should be like. All you have to do is look at the Claw Force roster for the upcoming new X-FORCE series for proof that these new rosters MIGHT be MOSTLY editorially driven.

[Blade X]

I really don't see how that's a very good comparison, regarding X-23 and Elixer. Two people who can shapeshift their bodies isn't comparable to one person being able to heal herself as one of a larger power set and another being able to heal others and that's it.

Can't Elixir also heal himself as well? IMO, that's the same damn thing as Morph and Mystic being on the same team.

[jester1436]

Can't Elixir also heal himself as well? IMO, that's the same damn thing as Morph and Mystic being on the same team.

Morph and Mystiq can change the shapes of their own bodies. Morph has more impressive applications, but it's ultimately the same.

Elixer can heal or harm with a touch. He can heal himself, but that's rarely what his abilities are used for.

X-23 can heal herself instantaneously because of her healing factor. She has all of Wolverine's other powers - so claws, senses, the whole package.

X-23 and Elixer both have widely variable and flexible power sets that don't render them redundant on a team. Mystiq and Morph, however, lack this variation.

They're really not adequately comparable.

[Jesse Newcomb]

I NEVER said the cast of EXILES was "ALWAYS" editorially driven, only that THIS CAST (if it's actually the new team roster) was MOSTLY editorially driven. Remember, Axel Alonso is now the top editor for ALL of the X-books and he has a different vision of what the X-books should be like. All you have to do is look at the Claw Force roster for the upcoming new X-FORCE series for proof that these new rosters MIGHT be MOSTLY editorially driven.

I said that if the line-up was always editorially driven, then we would have seen more AU versions of popular characters a long time ago.

And Axel Alonso isn't editing Exiles. Both of CC's titles has been edited by the Marvel Adventures offices for a while now.

This lineup is all Claremont.

[IRONY...]

All this is happening because Claremont cannot start a series unless it is from issue 1???:confused:

[Blade X]

I said that if the line-up was always editorially driven, then we would have seen more AU versions of popular characters a long time ago.

And Axel Alonso isn't editing Exiles. Both of CC's titles has been edited by the Marvel Adventures offices for a while now.

This lineup is all Claremont.

I'm NOT talking about EXILES PAST editorial mandate but the books PRESENT editorial mandate. My point was/is that things sometimes change when a new editor takes over a book.

And Axel Alonso is the HEAD editor of ALL of the X-books. The editors who edit EXILES work under Alonso.

[Blade X]

Morph and Mystiq can change the shapes of their own bodies. Morph has more impressive applications, but it's ultimately the same.

Elixer can heal or harm with a touch. He can heal himself, but that's rarely what his abilities are used for.

X-23 can heal herself instantaneously because of her healing factor. She has all of Wolverine's other powers - so claws, senses, the whole package.

X-23 and Elixer both have widely variable and flexible power sets that don't render them redundant on a team. Mystiq and Morph, however, lack this variation.

They're really not adequately comparable.

Ok then, how about the new Claw For....er......I mean X-FORCE then?

[Flâneur]

And Axel Alonso is the HEAD editor of ALL of the X-books. The editors who edit EXILES work under Alonso.
I don't think Exiles is even under the control of the X-Office, editorially speaking, so Alonso wouldn't have anything to do with it. It isn't (or wasn't) really an X-book anyway so there's not much rationale for it be under the X-Office either.
Ok then, how about the new Claw For....er......I mean X-FORCE then?
There's been a shit storm kicked up about the redundancy they create, power wise. So I don't know how that example is meant to rebutt the redundancy point in CC's case with Mystic and Morph.

[Nachturne]

There's been a shit storm kicked up about the redundancy they create, power wise. So I don't know how that example is meant to rebutt the redundancy point in CC's case with Mystic and Morph.

And really, I don't see how you can't see that, save Sabes and Morph, these are total CC favs. I know from inside sources that it was editorially mandated Psylocke NOT be on this team and Claremont refused. So Carey gave in. In fact, isn't this public knowledge now?

So, where is the evidence that editorial is forcing poor CC to use his favorite women in bondage gear?

[ImpulseUCF]

I'm NOT talking about EXILES PAST editorial mandate but the books PRESENT editorial mandate. My point was/is that things sometimes change when a new editor takes over a book.

And Axel Alonso is the HEAD editor of ALL of the X-books. The editors who edit EXILES work under Alonso.What on Earth makes you think the editors forced Chris Claremont to fill the Exiles cast with alternate takes of his favorite pet characters? I mean, aside from baseless, wild speculation?

[Blade X]

I don't think Exiles is even under the control of the X-Office, editorially speaking, so Alonso wouldn't have anything to do with it. It isn't (or wasn't) really an X-book anyway so there's not much rationale for it be under the X-Office either.

There's been a shit storm kicked up about the redundancy they create, power wise. So I don't know how that example is meant to rebutt the redundancy point in CC's case with Mystic and Morph.

Read the interview with CC about his EXILES run plans on this very site. In it he said he was talking to Axel Alonso about the direction of the book. And EXILES, despite what SOME net fans might want to believe, is consider to be an X-book by Marvel.

And I was NOT trying to "rebutt" the argument about CC's inclusion of both Morph and Mystiq on the team being redundant. My point was/is, that I HATE it (MOST of the time, NOT ALL of the time) when when characters with the same power is on the same team.

[Blade X]

What on Earth makes you think the editors forced Chris Claremont to fill the Exiles cast with alternate takes of his favorite pet characters? I mean, aside from baseless, wild speculation?

Claw Force aka the new X-FORCE roster.

[Blade X]

I love how you say CC is using all of his favorite characters except Sabes and Morph, when Sabes was CREATED by CC and therefore should also be one of his "pet" characters.

Claw Force aka the new X-FORCE is my evidence that the roster for NEW EXILES is MOSTLY ("mostly" being the key word that I have used numerous times) being editorially driven

[Novaya Havoc]

Claw Force aka the new X-FORCE is my evidence that the roster for NEW EXILES is MOSTLY ("mostly" being the key word that I have used numerous times) being editorially driven.


That's the weakest evidence I've ever heard, then.

5/7 pet characters on the team. The majority were mandated into the title. The title with a rotating AU cast has restrictions on which characters to use.

... Yeah, I'll believe that. You've totally convinced me.

[DDM]

The telepath thing? Grant gave Emma diamond form which made her different from Jean. And the redundency never really popped in my head because the stories were that good that I forgot about it.

Grant gave Emma her diamond form because he could not use Colossus. Regardless, Emma still uses her telepathy as a primary power throughout his stories.

[Stephane Garrelie]

As an long time Claremont fan i absolutly love the roster of New Exiles.
Sage needs badly a new costume, but this excepted the new title looks fine so far.
A great writer (and my all time favorite), an excellent artist and a great cast.

Very fine.

[Stephane Garrelie]

To defend what? A book we didn't see yet? So far it looks fine, but that all we can say.:)

[Stephane Garrelie]

Now about the question of the roster being editorialy mandated, i don't see the need for this explanation: This team is composed of favorite characters of both Claremont and his longtime fans, so its probable that Claremont choose them.
Certainly the editors know that those characters are what Claremont's fans want to see him write, but i doubt that they needed to force them on him.

The closest argument in favor of that would be that Marvel seems not much interested in non-x stuff by Claremont, but thats all.

[Pach!]

Well the problem is that they took a great concept and turned it into a CC book, which like most of his recent books has a 99% chance of being complete crap. The other 1% is the chance someone else will be writing under the name Chris Claremont.

I will eventually get over it though since I won't be buying it but it makes me doubt the people in charge at Marvel if a writer who can't write anything good anymore still has a job.

[Stephane Garrelie]

No, there was a CC concept "Excalibur/Crosstime Caper", partly inspired by Robert Heinlein, partly by Alan Moore and partly by his own work. Later there was a TV show, "Sliders", that given that many hollywood creators seem to be comics readers may have been inspired by "the cross time caper" from Excalibur.
Then there was Exiles, said inspired by Sliders, but telling adventures in many way similar to Excalibur/Cross Time capper (variation on Marvel characters, etc...). This book had for main qualities to develop interesting new characters. And it developed a solid fanbase for them.

Some time ago Claremont became the writer of this book, and it finally was decided to end Exiles and to launch a new book called New Exiles.

In some ways, its a relaunch: some common members (Morph, AOA Sabretooth) and a concept that have common points with the one of Exiles.

But in other ways it is a new book: Alternate worlds founded on history left turns, cast new at 80% etc...

Its too soon to judge New Exiles.

I have mixed feelings about Claremont's run on Exiles: I loved the first issue and enjoyed the second, but Claremont lost me with the "Iron Man no match for Electra" crap. and with the decompression. I want Claremont storytelling, not some bendislike decompression. The second arc in Doom's world was average, borderline boring. But i really enjoyed issue 99, and before that everything we saw of alternate Kitty so far. In #99 everything about the new cast.

This is a new book. Don't condemn before it even began.

[Novaya Havoc]

Winick Exiles > Cross-Time Caper.

Why? Because Exiles was universal and not ethnocentric.

But that's another debate for another day.

[Pach!]

No, there was a CC concept "Excalibur/Crosstime Caper", partly inspired by Robert Heinlein, partly by Alan Moore and partly by his own work. Later there was a TV show, "Sliders", that given that many hollywood creators seem to be comics readers may have been inspired by "the cross time caper" from Excalibur.
Then there was Exiles, said inspired by Sliders, but telling adventures in many way similar to Excalibur/Cross Time capper (variation on Marvel characters, etc...). This book had for main qualities to develop interesting new characters. And it developed a solid fanbase for them.

Some time ago Claremont became the writer of this book, and it finally was decided to end Exiles and to launch a new book called New Exiles.

In some ways, its a relaunch: some common members (Morph, AOA Sabretooth) and a concept that have common points with the one of Exiles.

But in other ways it is a new book: Alternate worlds founded on history left turns, cast new at 80% etc...

Its too soon to judge New Exiles.

I have mixed feelins about Claremont run on Exiles: I loved the first issues and enjoyed the second, but Claremont lost me with the "Iron Man no match for Electra" crap. and with the decompression. I want Claremont storytelling, not some bendislike decompression. The second arc in Doom's world was average, borderline boring. But i really enjoyed issue 99, and before that everything we saw of alternate Kitty so far. In 99 everything about the new cast.

This is a new book. Don't condemn before it even began.

From your posts I think you feel like this book will be good since you like CC's writing and have enjoyed his past books.

I think this book will be crap because as of late CC's writing is terrible and all his recent "new books" have sucked.

How is your judging of the book any different than mine?

[worstblogever]

This is a new book. Don't condemn before it even began.

You know, I read stories without seeing who's on them. Time was, I'd just buy the first issue, and if I didn' like how the arc was going, I'd buy the rest just to collect the whole arc for continuity's sake. X-Men:The End changed all that. I was 4 issues through the first book when I really realized it was Claremont. The creative team shouldn't have mattered. That book should've been "can't miss". It was by far, though, the worst eighteen enclosed issues I've ever paid money for.

Now, I can read a six page preview and recognize the smell of his dialogue. Or see his pet characters. I don't go into an X-Book looking to bag on CC. But I just don't like what I'm reading, I check the creator on the story arc... then go, "Oh. I that's why."

[Blade X]

Winick Exiles > Cross-Time Caper.

Why? Because Exiles was universal and not ethnocentric.

But that's another debate for another day.

I agree, but NOT for the reasons you stated.

[worstblogever]

I think it's incredible people are expecting Claremont will surprise us after this whole New Exiles thing has played out exactly the way we've been predicting for months. I mean SAGE and PSYLOCKE. How long ago did we call this?

Don't forget, he wanted a Kitty Pryde, too.

[CmX]

Don't forget, he wanted a Kitty Pryde, too.

lmao and probably Storm, Jean, Rachel and Rogue.

[worstblogever]

lmao and probably Storm, Jean, Rachel and Rogue.
Actually, he got a Rogue, didn't he?

[Gene M.]

Actually, he got a Rogue, didn't he?
Yeah, and from the looks of her she joined the team after being backstage at a Ratt concert.

[Brian Cronin]

My goodness, y'all really must stop being uncivil to each other.

No "you're a hater" or "you're a sycophant," etc.

This being said, then yes, the Grummett drawing we have seen is almost certainly NOT the cover, as the solicitations say that one cover is by Land and one cover is by Michael Golden.

So the Grummett stuff is probably just promo art. Does that mean that the team will be different than the Grummett art? Unlikely, but maybe.

-Brian

[Brian Cronin]

Here's the solicit info:

NEW EXILES #1
Written by Chris Claremont
Penciled by Tom Grummett
Cover by GREG LAND
Variant Cover by MICHAEL GOLDEN The art we have is by Grummett, so it most likely is not the cover.

-Brian

[ImpulseUCF]

Claw Force aka the new X-FORCE roster.Please tell me. How does Claw force = Editorial picked Claremont's Exiles cast. Absurd doesn't even do this "logic" justice.
I love how you say CC is using all of his favorite characters except Sabes and Morph, when Sabes was CREATED by CC and therefore should also be one of his "pet" characters. Dude, why don't you make sure you understand terms before you use them? "Pet" character doesn't mean he invented them. It means he favors them above other characters.
Claw Force aka the new X-FORCE is my evidence that the roster for NEW EXILES is MOSTLY ("mostly" being the key word that I have used numerous times) being editorially drivenDo you understand how this makes no sense of any kind? "The X-Force cast all seem to have claws; therefore, Editorial selected Chris Claremont's cast for Exiles. " WTF?!?!

[worstblogever]

Yeah, and from the looks of her she joined the team after being backstage at a Ratt concert.

ROUND...AND...ROUND, SUGAH!

[Novaya Havoc]

Here's the solicit info:
The art we have is by Grummett, so it most likely is not the cover.

-Brian

But WIZARD would not lie to us, BC!

[Stephane Garrelie]

From your posts I think you feel like this book will be good since you like CC's writing and have enjoyed his past books.

I think this book will be crap because as of late CC's writing is terrible and all his recent "new books" have sucked.

How is your judging of the book any different than mine?I like his recent uncanny run, and the writing on New Excalibur since his return, though i wasn't a fan of the cast. I enjoyed the Nocturne stuff (but i understand that for longtime fans of the character it may be different) and loved the issue with the origine of Albion.
New Excalibur 16 to end wasn't the best Claremont story ever, but it was decent and well writen. thats just that i don't care about wisdom, for an exemple.

X-Men the end book 1 was far from wonderfull, but book 2 was good and book 3 was ok.
And before all that i liked Xtreme X-Men.
On New Exiles, Claremont will work with Tom Grummett. Given his style of writing, the artist is very important. Claremont doesnt write the same stories with different artists, he makes his best to involve them in the process. Their tastes are taken in count.
This may change a lot of things.

[worstblogever]

This may change a lot of things.

I'm at least still going to read it, but if I see a "What the devil?" in surprise, or another "Is that you?" on a reunion, or I see Sage succeed in a fist fight where Psylocke fails, there's no way I'm spending money on it.

[Stephane Garrelie]

I'm at least still going to read it, but if I see a "What the devil?" in surprise, or another "Is that you?" on a reunion, or I see Sage succeed in a fist fight where Psylocke fails, there's no way I'm spending money on it.

Excepted if they're nude.:)

[worstblogever]

Excepted if they're nude.:)

As long as there's onomatopoeia, I think Sage and Psylocke won't be indecent.

[John Sage]

As an long time Claremont fan i absolutly love the roster of New Exiles.
Sage needs badly a new costume, but this excepted the new title looks fine so far.
A great writer (and my all time favorite), an excellent artist and a great cast.

Very fine.

To defend what? A book we didn't see yet? So far it looks fine, but that all we can say.:)

Agreed by all accounts.

I am really excited about the cast and can't wait to read the first issue to learm more about the new team and its premise.

[ImpulseUCF]

They may as well not call it Exiles at all, though, since it won't be. "Crosstime X-Men" would be more apt.

[Faded]

They may as well not call it Exiles at all, though, since it won't be. "Crosstime X-Men" would be more apt.

Eh. Its just a name.

As much as I liked the old Exiles, its not too different from the practicing complaints about New Warriors and New Avengers, which aren't necessarily hurt by their respective overhauls.

And before anyone calls me out, in the NW case, its character overhaul that's the issue (Skrulls!!!!). ;)

[Novaya Havoc]

They may as well not call it Exiles at all, though, since it won't be. "Crosstime X-Men" would be more apt.

LOL! "OtherworldRomaMultiverseOmniverseCross-Time CAPERS!" is what I would call it!

[Blade X]

Please tell me. How does Claw force = Editorial picked Claremont's Exiles cast. Absurd doesn't even do this "logic" justice.
Dude, why don't you make sure you understand terms before you use them? "Pet" character doesn't mean he invented them. It means he favors them above other characters.
Do you understand how this makes no sense of any kind? "The X-Force cast all seem to have claws; therefore, Editorial selected Chris Claremont's cast for Exiles. " WTF?!?!

Claw Force has popular and/or well known (at least, well known to X-fans and comic fans in general) x-characters with similar powers and attitudes. In other words, putting Wolverine on a team with a bunch of Wolverine wannabe's = huge sales in the minds of the Marvel editors. The same thing can be said for the NEW EXILES roster (if that is indeed the actual final team roster). By filling the NEW EXILES team with a major recognizable and popular 616 character (Psylocke) and filling the team out with alternate versions of recognizable and popular characters, POSSIBLY smacks of a MOSTLY editorially mandated roster.

Yes I know that "pet" characters doesn't mean he invented them. The thing is, Sabes would qualify (you guys definition) as a "pet" character since he has used SAbes numerous times before in his past stories (not his most recent ones, though).

[Novaya Havoc]

Claw Force has popular and/or well known (at least, well known to X-fans and comic fans in general) x-characters with similar powers and attitudes. In other words, putting Wolverine on a team with a bunch of Wolverine wannabe's = huge sales in the minds of the Marvel editors. The same thing can be said for the NEW EXILES roster (if that is indeed the actual final team roster). By filling the NEW EXILES team with a major recognizable and popular 616 character (Psylocke) and filling the team out with alternate versions of recognizable and popular characters, POSSIBLY smacks of a MOSTLY editorially mandated roster.

As much as I love Randy, I think he will agree with me as I say Psylocke is officially no longer a title draw.

That's like incorporating shit into the creme brulee recipe and expecting people to still want to order it.

It's not editorially mandated. Truuuuust. Otherwise Bedard's Exiles would have consisted of Ms. Marvel, Quasar, Thor, Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Storm.

[CmX]

As much as I love Randy, I think he will agree with me as I say Psylocke is officially no longer a title draw.

That's like incorporating shit into the creme brulee recipe and expecting people to still want to order it.

It's not editorially mandated. Truuuuust. Otherwise Bedard's Exiles would have consisted of Ms. Marvel, Quasar, Thor, Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Storm.

And I would agree. CC writing Psylocke and forcing her in our faces is like not cute at all. CC needs to learn how to write pet characters and still be respectful to the audience ala PAD/Maddox, Carey/Rogue etc.,

All CC has done to Psylocke since his return is turn her into a telekinetic w/out ANY explaination (that's his style yall), kill her off for years and ressurect her EVEN more convulted and made her into an annoying power house but yet she still gets her ass whupped just... I dunno. He's writing her IMO just to WRITE her.

I

[Blade X]

They may as well not call it Exiles at all, though, since it won't be. "Crosstime X-Men" would be more apt.

To be fair, the same thing could also be said about the original EXILES team and MOST of the people that joined them later on. Remember, the EXILES roster from the very beginning were made up of X-Men (both new and old characters) from alternate earths.

[Blade X]

As much as I love Randy, I think he will agree with me as I say Psylocke is officially no longer a title draw.

That's like incorporating shit into the creme brulee recipe and expecting people to still want to order it.

It's not editorially mandated. Truuuuust. Otherwise Bedard's Exiles would have consisted of Ms. Marvel, Quasar, Thor, Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Storm.

Of course Psylocke NOT a title draw. In fact, she was NEVER really a title draw. I know this, you know this, and MOST fans know this. However, the editors DO NOT know this or even want to admit this.

Axel Alonso wasn't the head x-editor when Bedard came onto the book.

[Novaya Havoc]

Of course Psylocke NOT a title draw. In fact, she was NEVER really a title draw. I know this, you know this, and MOST fans know this. However, the editors DO NOT know this or even want to admit this.

Axel Alonso wasn't the head x-editor when Bedard came onto the book.

Dude. IT IS NOT THE EDITORS.

MYSTIQ IS NOT AN EDITORIAL MANDATE.

A SHADOWCAT (star of X-Men: The End) IS NOT AN EDITORIAL MANDATE.

SAGE WILL NEVER EVER BE EDITORALLY MANDATED INTO A STORY.

CC would DIE without Psylocke!

The only ones I coud give you as a mandate would be Morph and POSSIBLY Sabretooth to keep some contiunity with old readers. That's IT. All these others are nothing but CC. Plain. and. simple.

[_Jayme_]

Okay, I can't look back a million pages, but did the team ever get announced?

[Novaya Havoc]

Okay, I can't look back a million pages, but did the team ever get announced?

Yes. It did.

[Pach!]

The team is:

Cat (Alternate Shadowcat)
Mystiq (Male Mystique)
Rogue ( Alternate Rogue)
Sage (Compatible with Windows XP)
Psylocke (616er)
Sabretooth (AoA)
Morph (AoAish. Actually some other universe but similar personality)

[Flâneur]

And really, I don't see how you can't see that, save Sabes and Morph, these are total CC favs. I know from inside sources that it was editorially mandated Psylocke NOT be on this team and Claremont refused. So Carey gave in. In fact, isn't this public knowledge now?

So, where is the evidence that editorial is forcing poor CC to use his favorite women in bondage gear?
I don't understand why this is addressed to me. =/

[Blade X]

Dude. IT IS NOT THE EDITORS.

MYSTIQ IS NOT AN EDITORIAL MANDATE.

A SHADOWCAT (star of X-Men: The End) IS NOT AN EDITORIAL MANDATE.

SAGE WILL NEVER EVER BE EDITORALLY MANDATED INTO A STORY.

CC would DIE without Psylocke!

The only ones I coud give you as a mandate would be Morph and POSSIBLY Sabretooth to keep some contiunity with old readers. That's IT. All these others are nothing but CC. Plain. and. simple.

I NEVER said ALL of the characters were editorially mandated.

Mystiq was definitely CC's idea.

Shadowcat, the star of AXM, the best selling X-book I think MIGHT have been editorially mandated, or at the very least CC was told to have alternate version of one of the AXM team members and he chose Kitty. Ditto for Rogue.

Sage, was definitely CC's decision.

Psylocke I think was mutual on the part of both CC and the editors.

Sabes I think was most likely editorial (they want a Wolverine type on the team).

Morph might have been a mutual decision between CC and the editors.

[Nachturne]

I don't understand why this is addressed to me. =/

I don't either...I think the post I quoted has since been deleted by our holy moderator because it was most likely INSANE!!

[CmX]

I NEVER said ALL of the characters were editorially mandated.

Mystiq was definitely CC's idea.

Shadowcat, the star of AXM, the best selling X-book I think MIGHT have been editorially mandated, or at the very least CC was told to have alternate version of one of the AXM team members and he chose Kitty. Ditto for Rogue.

Sage, was definitely CC's decision.

Psylocke I think was mutual on the part of both CC and the editors.

Sabes I think was most likely editorial (they want a Wolverine type on the team).

Morph might have been a mutual decision between CC and the editors.


I honestly doubt Psylocke being in Exiles was a decision of the editors espcially if Carey wanted him, but CC wasn't budging.

[Pach!]

I NEVER said ALL of the characters were editorially mandated.

Mystiq was definitely CC's idea.

Shadowcat, the star of AXM, the best selling X-book I think MIGHT have been editorially mandated, or at the very least CC was told to have alternate version of one of the AXM team members and he chose Kitty. Ditto for Rogue.

Sage, was definitely CC's decision.

Psylocke I think was mutual on the part of both CC and the editors.

Sabes I think was most likely editorial (they want a Wolverine type on the team).

Morph might have been a mutual decision between CC and the editors.

I think you give the "editors" too much credit. Psylocke was not a mutal decision. Nachturne said earlier that CC fought to keep her. Cat is CC not being able to let go of his favorite.

I think CC chose the team he feels he will write the best. Personally I think it's stupid to have chosen alternate versions of the X-men when Exiles is truly the book where you could exercise some imagination.

[_Jayme_]

The team is:

Cat (Alternate Shadowcat)
Mystiq (Male Mystique)
Rogue ( Alternate Rogue)
Sage (Compatible with Windows XP)
Psylocke (616er)
Sabretooth (AoA)
Morph (AoAish. Actually some other universe but similar personality)

What?! Uugh..I see where this is going. It's probably gonna be Rogue's father..or in a strange twist..her boyfriend...:confused:

[Alan2099]

To be fair, the same thing could also be said about the original EXILES team and MOST of the people that joined them later on. Remember, the EXILES roster from the very beginning were made up of X-Men (both new and old characters) from alternate earths.

Most of them being rather obscure characters that hadn't been used too often.

[Flâneur]

I don't either...I think the post I quoted has since been deleted by our holy moderator because it was most likely INSANE!!

I was worried we'd have to have a wizard's duel to settle our differences!

[Nachturne]

I was worried we'd have to have a wizard's duel to settle our differences!

My boobs have magical powers that couldn't possibly be matched by a mudblood such as yourself.

...That may have been the dorkiest thing I've ever said.

[Pach!]

My boobs have magical powers that couldn't possibly be matched by a mudblood such as yourself.

...That may have been the dorkiest thing I've ever said.

That comment caters to both geeks and men!

You know your audience, Nacht!

[Flâneur]

My boobs have magical powers that couldn't possibly be matched by a mudblood such as yourself.

...That may have been the dorkiest thing I've ever said.

Yes but I have a magic wand that can pound any deatheater into oblivion! You dare not face me.

[Blade X]

And you guys call CC perverted.

[Blade X]

I don't either...I think the post I quoted has since been deleted by our holy moderator because it was most likely INSANE!!

Look who's talking.

[CmX]

And you guys call CC perverted.

OMG PWNED! He's a writer writing super heroic comic books, not S&M Fetish material.

[CmX]

Look who's talking.

Now you're just baiting how tired, immature and kinda expected of you.

[Flâneur]

And you guys call CC perverted.

Your wit has schooled me sir, I have learned the errors of my filthy ways and will now fervently defend CC's work. Go gimps suits! Bondage! What the devil you say?!

I am now pure.

[Dagger]

Your wit has schooled me sir, I have learned the errors of my filthy ways and will now fervently defend CC's work. Go gimps suits! Bondage! What the devil you say?!

I am now pure.
Come possess me as a double entendre for sexual domination, and ooooh it feels soo good!

[worstblogever]

Your wit has schooled me sir, I have learned the errors of my filthy ways and will now fervently defend CC's work. Go gimps suits! Bondage! What the devil you say?!

I am now pure.

Come possess me as a double entendre for sexual domination, and ooooh it feels soo good!

I laughed Cherry Coke out of my nose. And it burned. Good work.

[Flâneur]

Come possess me as a double entendre for sexual domination, and ooooh it feels soo good!
Now it's my turn!

My psychic tendrils are inserted into your body! You writhe, struggle and moan in resistance! Eventually you submit to my will and I make you wear revealing clothing! You are now the ultimate submissive gimp suit wearing queen of darkness!

[Dagger]

Now it's my turn!

My psychic tendrils are inserted into your body! You writhe, struggle and moan in resistance! Eventually you submit to my will and I make you wear revealing clothing! You are now the ultimate submissive gimp suit wearing queen of darkness!
Ooh, it feels so natural. Like I was meant to be this my whole life! Ugh. Man, that was some good pinot grigio...Wait, how did I get these perma tattoos that are sometimes, sometimes not, depending on the artist??? You thought you were good, but I'm better! Here's this 7" Stiletto I'm going to implant permenantly in your arse! But I do like the absolutely tight leather gimp suit, so I'll keep wearing that and look like a 5 dollar hooker who's totally gonna class it up with these masterful cibur-shaydez, and reveal that I've been a spy for Proffy McBrokenlegs the whole time!

[Flâneur]

Ooh, it feels so natural. Like I was meant to be this my whole life! Ugh. Man, that was some good pinot grigio...Wait, how did I get these perma tattoos that are sometimes, sometimes not, depending on the artist??? You thought you were good, but I'm better! Here's this 7" Stiletto I'm going to implant permenantly in your arse! But I do like the absolutely tight leather gimp suit, so I'll keep wearing that and look like a 5 dollar hooker who's totally gonna class it up with these masterful cibur-shaydez, and reveal that I've been a spy for Proffy McBrokenlegs the whole time!

BAM! Brittania?! The focused totality of my psychic domination has overpowered you! Now your butt cheeks are completely spread open by a leather suit! Take that Grrrl! Oh my, I'm such a jerk! Hahaha!!

[Dagger]

BAM! Brittania?! The focused totality of my psychic domination has overpowered you! Now your butt cheeks are completely spread open by a leather suit! Take that Grrrl! Oh my, I'm such a jerk! Hahaha!!
I believe I have been pwned! But take this crotchkick to the face as my parting shot with a strategic word balloon over my naughty bits to keep it a T+ book!

[worstblogever]

Ooh, it feels so natural. Like I was meant to be this my whole life! Ugh. Man, that was some good pinot grigio...Wait, how did I get these perma tattoos that are sometimes, sometimes not, depending on the artist??? You thought you were good, but I'm better! Here's this 7" Stiletto I'm going to implant permenantly in your arse! But I do like the absolutely tight leather gimp suit, so I'll keep wearing that and look like a 5 dollar hooker who's totally gonna class it up with these masterful cibur-shaydez, and reveal that I've been a spy for Proffy McBrokenlegs the whole time!

Proffy McBrokenlegs F...T...W!

[Flâneur]

I believe I have been pwned! But take this crotchkick to the face as my parting shot with a strategic word balloon over my naughty bits to keep it a T+ book!
Dagger .. is that you?!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/LOLrouge-1.jpg

[Dagger]

Dagger .. is that you?!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/LOLrouge-1.jpg

OH! I wish I could be as bad ass as Rouge Mort! She is sooo awesomely bad, that Sage is a quality character compared to her!

[Brian M.]

Do the editors even look at this book? Or do they just fake it?

[Flâneur]

OH! I wish I could be as bad ass as Rouge Mort! She is sooo awesomely bad, that Sage is a quality character compared to her!

Sage? Quality?!
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4534/xtreme4il7.jpg
What what in the butt?! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbGkxcY7YFU)

[Nachturne]

Honestly, what I just read in this thread is far more entertaining than all 24 issues of NEX and what we've seen so far of Exiles and DBTS.

Kudos!! <3

[Dagger]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/LOLrouge-1.jpg<http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/4534/xtreme4il7.jpg

But just barely. Actually I'd say Sage is a /she doesn't even deserve a full < for the turd that is Rouge Mort!

And lol @ What was in that butt! Hilar!

[Novaya Havoc]

zomg you guys. I can't take this kind of laughter at this hour. lolololol

less absinthe plz

[Flâneur]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9997/alimagicoctober28200711qk6.jpg

[Dagger]

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9997/alimagicoctober28200711qk6.jpg
LOL. Maybe the dingo ate my Exiles!

[Novaya Havoc]

NEXILES...

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3091/gtfo15ht0.jpg

[Flâneur]

NEXILES...

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3091/gtfo15ht0.jpg

http://img49.imageshack.us/img49/1554/alimagicoctober28200711sa4.jpg

[Novaya Havoc]

lol i love that img

[Flâneur]

It's a shame that the hilarity can't last. :(

[worstblogever]

It's a shame that the hilarity can't last. :(

Yeah, I was looking forward to when you got amnesia and it made Dagger suicidal, too. :(

[Phil Hunn]

And really, I don't see how you can't see that, save Sabes and Morph, these are total CC favs. I know from inside sources that it was editorially mandated Psylocke NOT be on this team and Claremont refused. So Carey gave in. In fact, isn't this public knowledge now?

So, where is the evidence that editorial is forcing poor CC to use his favorite women in bondage gear?

I never knew that. This makes me a sad panda :(

Its too soon to judge New Exiles.

Anything preceded by The New Adventures Of is doomed. Truth.

[GoingGreen]

NEXILES...

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/3091/gtfo15ht0.jpg

Lmao. *Loves*

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Do the editors even look at this book? Or do they just fake it?

Was that an actual panel in Exiles ? Really... the whole Rogue-Mort thing ?

[Dagger]

Yeah, I was looking forward to when you got amnesia and it made Dagger suicidal, too. :(
Not so much suicidal, but I did forget that I was having a baby with someone, and now that I'm out of coma, Oops! I don't even talk about it because they can't remember the word for...THERAPY!

[ImpulseUCF]

LMFAO!! You guys crack me up.

GTFO!!! LOL

[Joe Franklin]

I think CC chose the team he feels he will write the best.

Or wants to write. Exiles does not have editorial forced characters, it has characters that the writer choses to use, with endless possibilities. If Claremont wants to use 616 characters or 2910 characters or 2099 characters or 3457 characters he can. I can't bash any comic book writer for chosing to write different versions of his favorite Marvel characters in Exiles(I would do the same), but I will critisize the writer for boring/goofy storylines and dialog if it happens.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

I wonder how long it takes for the New Exiles to find Meggan Braddock? I say 5 issues at most, unless they find her during Die by the Sword.

[Arilou]

Or wants to write. Exiles does not have editorial forced characters, it has characters that the writer choses to use, with endless possibilities. If Claremont wants to use 616 characters or 2910 characters or 2099 characters or 3457 characters he can. I can't bash any comic book writer for chosing to write different versions of his favorite Marvel characters in Exiles(I would do the same), but I will critisize the writer for boring/goofy storylines and dialog if it happens.

If I would criticize it would be for being too similar to the regular characters.

[CmX]

I wonder how long it takes for the New Exiles to find Meggan Braddock? I say 5 issues at most, unless they find her during Die by the Sword.

I get the feeling CC isn't as much interested in Meggan as he is Saturyne or whatever. Lame.

He offed her right before NEX and he really hasn't touched on Meggan or hinted or mentioned her at all (except that one panel where Brian yells her name) even after Michael Ryan created concept sketches and even told CC he was interested in her eventually showing up but no dice.

Either way I don't want Meggan near CC I'd rather see her in Cornell's Excalibur especially if Brian will be a member of that new team, if he's even going to be a part of which I'm kinda doubting at this point.

[Blade X]

OMG PWNED! He's a writer writing super heroic comic books, not S&M Fetish material.

Dude, unclench it was a friggin JOKE.

[Blade X]

Now you're just baiting how tired, immature and kinda expected of you.

Glad to hear that I lived up to all of your expectations.

[Blade X]

I think you give the "editors" too much credit. Psylocke was not a mutal decision. Nachturne said earlier that CC fought to keep her. Cat is CC not being able to let go of his favorite.

I think CC chose the team he feels he will write the best. Personally I think it's stupid to have chosen alternate versions of the X-men when Exiles is truly the book where you could exercise some imagination.

Funny how none of you guys question my theory/belief about the new X-FORCE line up being editorially mandated.

And if you think I'm giving the editors too much credit, then you haven't read about how the team roster for the current NEW WARRIORS series was chosen. Kevin Grevioux has gone on record as saying that the NW team was editorially mandated when he got the book. He was also forbidden to use certain characters. And the editor for the current NW series is none other then............................wait for it...............................AXEL ALONSO.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Makes sense due to the minority population percentages.

It really really doesn't. Believe me. You won't find a city in the UK which is not ethnically diverse. London in particular should be a much greater mix of faces in the crowd. A lot has changed in the last Forty Years.

Sure if you go out into more rural communities, towns rather than cities, the percentage drops dramatically. But since when has Marvel ever felt the need to to tell stories set in deepest, darkest East Anglia? :D

[Blade X]

It really really doesn't. Believe me. You won't find a city in the UK which is not ethnically diverse. London in particular should be a much greater mix of faces in the crowd. A lot has changed in the last Forty Years.

Sure if you go out into more rural communities, towns rather than cities, the percentage drops dramatically. But since when has Marvel ever felt the need to to tell stories set in deepest, darkest East Anglia? :D

If you don't mind me asking, how are race relations in the UK? I ask this, because someone told me that black Africans aren't treated all that well in the UK by white people. Is this true? Is this a common problem or a rare problem? I'm asking because I'm just curious on how we (black people of African descent) are viewed in other country's.

[Diablito]

I swear I heard that UK had the highest amount of multirelatinships, which is AWESOME!

[Joe Franklin]

I swear I heard that UK had the highest amount of multirelatinships, which is AWESOME!

Human/Sheep relationships don't count. :D

[Shyft]

If you don't mind me asking, how are race relations in the UK? I ask this, because someone told me that black Africans aren't treated all that well in the UK by white people. Is this true? Is this a common problem or a rare problem? I'm asking because I'm just curious on how we (black people of African descent) are viewed in other country's.

generally race-relations in the Uk are very good. Especially black-white wise. the new beef amongst the ignorant is as asians, thanks to the war on terror. Theres nothing like a stupid white person lumping literally tens of dozens of diverse cultures and peoples as "terrorists" to really show how race relations can change.

[ImpulseUCF]

Funny how none of you guys question my theory/belief about the new X-FORCE line up being editorially mandated.Do you read other people's posts? Everyone questioned your claim.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If you don't mind me asking, how are race relations in the UK? I ask this, because someone told me that black Africans aren't treated all that well in the UK by white people. Is this true? Is this a common problem or a rare problem? I'm asking because I'm just curious on how we (black people of African descent) are viewed in other country's.

generally race-relations in the Uk are very good. Especially black-white wise. the new beef amongst the ignorant is as asians, thanks to the war on terror. Theres nothing like a stupid white person lumping literally tens of dozens of diverse cultures and peoples as "terrorists" to really show how race relations can change.

I'd concur with Shyft on that one. If you go back to the 1960s and 70s it was different. Certainly for my Grandfather's generation Britain was not ethnically diverse in the slightest, and when we started receiving immigrants from the West Indies and from Africa they were fearful. Needlessly of course. If you go back as far as the late 70s/early 80s there was a lot of clearly racist humour towards black people from comedians of that generation, appearing on TV. I still struggle to believe that sit-coms like 'Love thy neighbour' ever got broadcast. But thankfully attitudes changed throughout the 80s into 90s. And I think that is largely down to those immigrants who settled in the 60s now having families here, and setting down roots in Britain.

I won't claim that it's a perfect world of peace an harmony between the Afro-caribbean population of Great Britain. There are still some idiots out there with misguided and offensive viewpoints. There always will be. But when you look at where we were 30 years ago and where we are now I think we're getting there. I can think of a couple of guys I know who are black and frankly more proud to be British than half the white guys I know, and fair few of the best English football players (Soccer) of the last 20 years have been black. And in this strange little country of ours those kind of things matter more to the average Brit. :D

But yes, sadly, since September the 11th and the War on Terror British Asians have become a target for the misguided amongst us. I live in Leamington Spa, in the centre of England. We have a high Sikh population here, and for a couple of mad weeks shortly after the Towers fell we had a small number of stupid attacks on Sikhs in the area, and a bit of criminal damage.

These guys aren't even Muslims! It's a totally different religion. Luckily that stopped. But yeah, it's a stupid and misguided fear thing. Thirty years ago, if you had been Irish in a British city you would have been treated with a similar level of mistrust. That ended. Hopefully in the years to come so will this.

But that's enough. I'm not going to derail this thread any further. It's supposed to be abut New eXiles, after all.

[Blade X]

Thanks for answering my questions guys.

[Blade X]

Do you read other people's posts? Everyone questioned your claim. Well, not so much questioned it as tossed it aside as ridiculous.

In other words, no one questioned my claim.

[Matthew K.]

What's the "New"?

[Novaya Havoc]

Oh, liquor is BAD.

[Brian Cronin]

Blade-X, no one here is going to claim that there exists such a thing as editorial mandates involving team make-up.

There clearly are. Writers have gone on record discussing them.

Claremont, himself, had to deal with losing Cannonball and then Storm due to editorial decisions on his last Uncanny X-Men run.

The fact that such a concept EXISTS, though, does not mean that it occured in this situation.

I think a good argument could be made that perhaps the removal of Blink, Nocturne and Thunderbird DID have to do with editorial decisions. But the other team members? It is almost entirely of either new characters (Cat, Alternarogue, Malestyique) or old favorites of Claremont (Sage and Psylocke). That is highly unlikely for an editor to FORCE upon Claremont.

-Brian

[Jake V]

Funny how none of you guys question my theory/belief about the new X-FORCE line up being editorially mandated.

And if you think I'm giving the editors too much credit, then you haven't read about how the team roster for the current NEW WARRIORS series was chosen. Kevin Grevioux has gone on record as saying that the NW team was editorially mandated when he got the book. He was also forbidden to use certain characters. And the editor for the current NW series is none other then............................wait for it...............................AXEL ALONSO.

This Alonso guy knows what he's doing.

[Blade X]

Blade-X, no one here is going to claim that there exists such a thing as editorial mandates involving team make-up.

There clearly are. Writers have gone on record discussing them.

Claremont, himself, had to deal with losing Cannonball and then Storm due to editorial decisions on his last Uncanny X-Men run.

The fact that such a concept EXISTS, though, does not mean that it occured in this situation.

I think a good argument could be made that perhaps the removal of Blink, Nocturne and Thunderbird DID have to do with editorial decisions. But the other team members? It is almost entirely of either new characters (Cat, Alternarogue, Malestyique) or old favorites of Claremont (Sage and Psylocke). That is highly unlikely for an editor to FORCE upon Claremont.

-Brian

I agree. Heck, I even said it in an earlier post that SOME characters for the new roster (like Sage) were DEFINITELY CC's idea. My whole point was/is that we shouldn't be to quick to blame CC for the new members/lime up since it MIGHT not have been ENTIRELY his idea.

Good point about the removal of Nocturne,Blink,and T-bird being a POSSIBLE editorial mandate.

[Brian Cronin]

Yeah, but the parts people are mostly "blaming" Claremont for are the ones that seem clearly his call.

Male Mystique.

Cat.

AlternaRogue.

Sage (especially Sage ;)).

Psylocke.

-Brian

[Jake V]

I find it hard to believe that anyone would force claremont to use sage.

[Matthew K.]

Sage is forcing Claremont to use Sage with her latent telepathy.

[CmX]

Sage is forcing Claremont to use Sage with her latent telepathy.

No CC just has a boner 24-7 for Sage for whatever reasons that may be.

[Karl H]

It really really doesn't. Believe me. You won't find a city in the UK which is not ethnically diverse. London in particular should be a much greater mix of faces in the crowd. A lot has changed in the last Forty Years.

Sure if you go out into more rural communities, towns rather than cities, the percentage drops dramatically. But since when has Marvel ever felt the need to to tell stories set in deepest, darkest East Anglia? :D

Damn it I wanna Marvel Heroes protecting my tractor.

There are mutant threats in the Fens afterall. I think I played rugby against some of them this weekend.

[Oliverhannah]

Didnt tha mean Nocturne n T-Bird go to home??

Blink stay in NEX cos have plan for her storyline with akkaba clan by the way

[Oliverhannah]

I get the feeling CC isn't as much interested in Meggan as he is Saturyne or whatever. Lame.

He offed her right before NEX and he really hasn't touched on Meggan or hinted or mentioned her at all (except that one panel where Brian yells her name) even after Michael Ryan created concept sketches and even told CC he was interested in her eventually showing up but no dice.

Either way I don't want Meggan near CC I'd rather see her in Cornell's Excalibur especially if Brian will be a member of that new team, if he's even going to be a part of which I'm kinda doubting at this point.

Yea! he's idiot! he should write Meggan in Die by the Sword or NEX..

So there rumors Meggan is prisoner of the Mojoverse :eek: and she will join the New Exiles very soon!!

[worstblogever]

Was that an actual panel in Exiles ? Really... the whole Rogue-Mort thing ?

We are absolutely NOT making up Rouge-Mort. That would be mass hysteria. She is a CC creation. And she watches over all dominatrixes like Santa Claus watches over children, and brings them riding crops every year on April 28th.

Okay, I made up the last part, anyway.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Damn it I wanna Marvel Heroes protecting my tractor.

There are mutant threats in the Fens after all. I think I played rugby against some of them this weekend.

Lol. Actually, I hope that one thing we do see during Cornell's run is a few more slightly more provincial British Mutants. There is room for them.

Didnt tha mean Nocturne n T-Bird go to home??

It might. But it could just as easily mean they're all going to die horribly. :D I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Blink stay in NEX cos have plan for her storyline with akkaba clan by the way

I had hoped that we might see that, too. Sadly, now that Chamber is on New Warriors, I don't see it as likely.

Yea! he's idiot! he should write Meggan in Die by the Sword or NEX..

Sadly, I don't see THAT as likely now either. :(

So there rumors Meggan is prisoner of the Mojoverse :eek: and she will join the New Exiles very soon!!

Oh God, i really hope not. But it is the kind of story that would seem plausible on a Claremont title.

[ImpulseUCF]

In other words, no one questioned my claim.
You're not even making sense at this point. What do you mean, nobody questioned your claim? Everyone thinks it's completely absurd because you suggest editorial mandated that Chris Claremont will the cast with his favorite pet characters, which seems highly unlikely. The evidence points to CC finally having the freedom in a book to fill the cast with whoever he wanted,
The fact that such a concept EXISTS, though, does not mean that it occured in this situation.Correct.
It is almost entirely of either new characters (Cat, Alternarogue, Malestyique) or old favorites of Claremont (Sage and Psylocke). That is highly unlikely for an editor to FORCE upon Claremont.Also true.
Yeah, but the parts people are mostly "blaming" Claremont for are the ones that seem clearly his call.

Male Mystique.

Cat.

AlternaRogue.

Sage (especially Sage ;)).

Psylocke.

-BrianAnd this is precisely the point. Thanks, Brian.
Sage is forcing Claremont to use Sage with her latent telepathy.LOL!

[blackphoenix]

I haven't bought Exiles since Sunfire and Mimic died, and I won't be reading New Exiles. What exactly was wrong with old Exiles? The concept was sound: Quantum Leap meets Sliders. That's it. Why fix what isn't broken/ And how long is Marvel gonna keep dragging out the old warhorse Claremont?? The last good stories he wrote were the early X-treme X-Men, IMHO.

EDIT:
Who the frack is this "alterna-Rogue" you lot keep mentioning? As I said, I haven't been reading the book. I LOVE Sage and Cat!!! How can you not love a feline Kitty Pryde?

[Phil Hunn]

What's the "New"?

The "new" is... uh... Sabretooth's new haircut?

Sage is forcing Claremont to use Sage with her latent telepathy.

Heh. Are you sure she hasn't just Googled some incriminating photographs? ;)

Damn it I wanna Marvel Heroes protecting my tractor.

I agree with you there. Out here in the country we don't get to see many heroic deeds.

I haven't bought Exiles since Sunfire and Mimic died, and I won't be reading New Exiles. What exactly was wrong with old Exiles? The concept was sound: Quantum Leap meets Sliders. That's it. Why fix what isn't broken/ And how long is Marvel gonna keep dragging out the old warhorse Claremont?? The last good stories he wrote were the early X-treme X-Men, IMHO.

Lord knows why Marvel have held onto Claremont for so long. Maybe they just don't want anyone else to have him.

EDIT:
Who the frack is this "alterna-Rogue" you lot keep mentioning? As I said, I haven't been reading the book. I LOVE Sage and Cat!!! How can you not love a feline Kitty Pryde?

Um... she's not feline, so far as I can tell. She's just called Cat because her name is Catherine.

As for "alterna-Rogue", she's a Rogue who apparently has just fallen out of The Wedding Singer, and who will be on the cast of New Exiles.

[Jordan D. White]

Hey there, everyone.

Just wanted to pop in to clear up a few things...

1. The Grummett piece is not the cover.

2. Axel does not edit this book. It's edited by Mark Paniccia, my boss, and a senior editor all on his own. It doesn't go through the X-Office.

3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-

Thanks for reading!

[Alan2099]

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y127/colganmichael/LOLrouge-1.jpg


What gets me is with the skin toned outfit with the obvious seems and the shape of that mouth, it's like some cheap blow-up doll decided to go out and start a superhero career.

[Jesse Newcomb]

Hey there, everyone.

Just wanted to pop in to clear up a few things...

1. The Grummett piece is not the cover.

2. Axel does not edit this book. It's edited by Mark Paniccia, my boss, and a senior editor all on his own. It doesn't go through the X-Office.

3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-

Thanks for reading!

So, what do you do exactly when you edit a CC-penned title? And what's your safe word?

[drwho]

Ive always been curious what an Assistant editor at Marvel does. How much of C.C.'s work are you actually able to edit?

[Novaya Havoc]

3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-


LOLOLOLOL!!! <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Please mandate that she have a Wi-Fi connection and can sync with iTunes! <3 :D

[Blade X]

Yeah, but the parts people are mostly "blaming" Claremont for are the ones that seem clearly his call.

Male Mystique.

Cat.

AlternaRogue.

Sage (especially Sage ;)).

Psylocke.

-Brian

I guess you didn't read my post from a few pages back where I stated MY THEORY on how and why I THINK CC came to choose the new roster for NEW EXILES.

[Blade X]

You're not even making sense at this point. What do you mean, nobody questioned your claim? Everyone thinks it's completely absurd because you suggest editorial mandated that Chris Claremont will the cast with his favorite pet characters, which seems highly unlikely. The evidence points to CC finally having the freedom in a book to fill the cast with whoever he wanted,

I was talking about my theory that the new X-FORCE team was editorially mandated that no one seem to question.

[Blade X]

Hey there, everyone.

Just wanted to pop in to clear up a few things...

1. The Grummett piece is not the cover.

2. Axel does not edit this book. It's edited by Mark Paniccia, my boss, and a senior editor all on his own. It doesn't go through the X-Office.

3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-

Thanks for reading!

1. I take it that since the cover for NEW EXILES #1 hasn't been revealed yet that (a) there is more to this NE team then meets the eye or (b) what we have seen so far is NOT the final team roster.

2. I'm man enough to admit when I'm wrong, so I'll say it I WAS WRONG ABOUT AXEL ALONSO BEING THE HEAD EDITOR OF NEW EXILES.

3. I have no feelings towards Sage one way or the other. So feel free to make sure she is shoved down our throats.

[Flâneur]

1. I take it that since the cover for NEW EXILES #1 hasn't been revealed yet that (a) there is more to this NE team then meets the eye or (b) what we have seen so far is NOT the final team roster.
Considering covers in the comic business there always was going to be more than meets the eye and that really hasn't changed with the revelation. Claremont has likely handed in the first NEXILES script so unlike concept art for most new series it's probaby pretty much finalised.

I WAS WRONG ABOUT AXEL ALONSO BEING THE HEAD EDITOR OF NEW EXILES.
Yup.

3. I have no feelings towards Sage one way or the other. So feel free to make sure she is shoved down our throats.
I'd rather not give Sage a blowjob, thanks.
Honestly, what I just read in this thread is far more entertaining than all 24 issues of NEX and what we've seen so far of Exiles and DBTS.

Kudos!! <3
We should wizard's duel more often if this is the result!
Hey there, everyone.

Just wanted to pop in to clear up a few things...

1. The Grummett piece is not the cover.

2. Axel does not edit this book. It's edited by Mark Paniccia, my boss, and a senior editor all on his own. It doesn't go through the X-Office.

3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-

Thanks for reading!
I love it when marvel peeps post in contentious threads.

[ImpulseUCF]

I guess you didn't read my post from a few pages back where I stated MY THEORY on how and why I THINK CC came to choose the new roster for NEW EXILES. :confused: What's to guess? Do we really need to wonder why CC chose Kitty Pryde, Rogue, Psylocke, and Sage? Is it really that hard? ;)
I was talking about my theory that the new X-FORCE team was editorially mandated that no one seem to question.Oh, well why the hell didn't you say so? Everyone thought you were using the X-Force example as evidence for New Exiles being mandated, for which there was zero evidence.

In all seriousness, your point was completely lost in your argument. Perhaps try to be more clear in future?

[jarrod]

2. Axel does not edit this book. It's edited by Mark Paniccia, my boss, and a senior editor all on his own. It doesn't go through the X-Office.
Interesting... is Cornell's Excalibur relaunch going to be within the X-Office then?

[Phil Hunn]

:confused: What's to guess? Do we really need to wonder why CC chose Kitty Pryde, Rogue, Psylocke, and Sage? Is it really that hard? ;)

Clearly it is, yeah.

I mean, I can't see one obvious reason why that Sensational She-Force would be assembled. Can you? :p

[Jake V]

Interesting... is Cornell's Excalibur relaunch going to be within the X-Office then?

It appears that it's not happening at all.

New Excalibur was cancelled with #24.

[Pach!]

It appears that it's not happening at all.

New Excalibur was cancelled with #24.

It's relaunching as Excalibur in summer. I think McCann said so at the Bendis forums.

[jarrod]

It's relaunching as Excalibur in summer. I think McCann said so at the Bendis forums.
Yep, sounds like it's going to be more MU centric as well.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Yep, sounds like it's going to be more MU centric as well.

Which, frankly, can only be a good thing. I still think it's ridiculous that Excalibur's only offering to Civil War happened in the pages of Black Panther, and not in the main series. I have to wonder if they might be waiting for the Skrull invasion story to be over and done with, if John the Skrull is on the team. ;)

New Excalibur is dead. Long live Excalibur!

[Joe Franklin]

Hey there, everyone.
3. I am going to do my best to editorially mandate Sage into every comic I can, just for you guys. ^_-


:( This is the meanest thing I have ever read at CBR.:D

[jester1436]

I have to wonder if they might be waiting for the Skrull invasion story to be over and done with, if John the Skrull is on the team. ;)


I totally want John the Skrull on Excalibur. But I'd also like some other British pop Skrulls, maybe as ridiculous cannon fodder. The Spice Skrulls, The Skrull Herman's Hermits, Skrull Lulu, Skrull Cliff Richard, Sugaskrulls, Skrulls Aloud, Skrull Shayne Ward, Skrull Will Young, Skrull Charlotte Church, etc.

[Nachturne]

I totally want John the Skrull on Excalibur. But I'd also like some other British pop Skrulls, maybe as ridiculous cannon fodder. The Spice Skrulls, The Skrull Herman's Hermits, Skrull Lulu, Skrull Cliff Richard, Sugaskrulls, Skrulls Aloud, Skrull Shayne Ward, Skrull Will Young, Skrull Charlotte Church, etc.

Skrullie Minogue?

[Jesse Newcomb]

Skrullie Minogue?

I think both of them fit better as Fembots.:p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I totally want John the Skrull on Excalibur. But I'd also like some other British pop Skrulls, maybe as ridiculous cannon fodder. The Spice Skrulls, The Skrull Herman's Hermits, Skrull Lulu, Skrull Cliff Richard, Sugaskrulls, Skrulls Aloud, Skrull Shayne Ward, Skrull Will Young, Skrull Charlotte Church, etc.

Lol. That'd be a laugh. Any advances on The Rolling Skrulls?

Skrullie Minogue?

She's Australian? :D

[steve2275]

Clearly it is, yeah.

I mean, I can't see one obvious reason why that Sensational She-Force would be assembled. Can you? :p
i like it myself

[Nachturne]

She's Australian? :D

Doy but brit's love her!

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Doy but brit's love her!

Well, yeah. We'd probably claim her as our own if we could...:rolleyes:

[Karl H]

Well, yeah. We'd probably claim her as our own if we could...:rolleyes:

I'd swap her for Madonna. Does Madonna still do that ridiculous fake English accent?

[Novaya Havoc]

I'll trade you Madonna for Charlotte Church! <3

[Karl H]

I'll trade you Madonna for Charlotte Church! <3

I was swapping Madonna out though Ben!

Charlotte Church is a freebie. I hate her.

[Dagger]

I was swapping Madonna out though Ben!

Charlotte Church is a freebie. I hate her.
I'll trade you a washed up Madonna, for a hasbeen like Michael Bolton.

[Phil Hunn]

Lol. That'd be a laugh. Any advances on The Rolling Skrulls?

The Skrull Animals, performing their #1 hit: House Of The Rising Skrull.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

The Skrull Animals, performing their #1 hit: House Of The Rising Skrull.

Skrull Purple, performing Skrull on the Water (#...and fire on the Kree) ?:confused:

[Phil Hunn]

Skrull Purple, performing Skrull on the Water (#...and fire on the Kree) ?:confused:

Maybe a Skrull Ricky Gervais is the one who wrote that abominable episode of The Simpsons? It'd certainly explain why Extras was so crap as well...

[ImpulseUCF]

Hey guys? The joke is dead. :) Of old age. Let it go. :p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Hey guys? The joke is dead. :) Of old age. Let it go. :p

Well, it's not like anybody else is posting on something more related to New eXiles...:rolleyes:

[xmanson]

Dammit people, you're gonna scare the assistant editor guy.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Dammit people, you're gonna scare the assistant editor guy.

By coming up with even more obscure bands that the Skrulls might have replaced in the Marvel Universe? :confused:

[Phil Hunn]

By coming up with even more obscure bands that the Skrulls might have replaced in the Marvel Universe? :confused:

There's that. And there's also the fact that people are busier with coming up with comedy Skrull bands than they are about discussing CC's new book.

Which is really kind of sad, when you think about it...

[Nachturne]

There's that. And there's also the fact that people are busier with coming up with comedy Skrull bands than they are about discussing CC's new book.

Which is really kind of sad, when you think about it...

Well, people bitch that those complaining keep saying the same things over and over, so we stop and nothing gets said! Oh the IRONY!!!!

[Babylon23]

Well, yeah. We'd probably claim her as our own if we could...:rolleyes:

Go for it. She's all yours.

We'll need to borrow her back for the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, but otherwise, you can keep her. She spends most of her time over your way anyway.

[Matthew K.]

Charlotte Church is a freebie. I hate her.

eh...I'm not a fan either.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Go for it. She's all yours.

We'll need to borrow her back for the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, but otherwise, you can keep her. She spends most of her time over your way anyway.

Ha ha. Yes, I suppose she does, these days... :rolleyes:

[Jesse Newcomb]

Ha ha. Yes, I suppose she does, these days... :rolleyes:

Jeezum crow, she's a goddess, if you don't like her that much, send her over to the states, we'd be happy to take her..........

We'll take the X-Factor judge with the same last name too.:p

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Jeezum crow, she's a goddess, if you don't like her that much, send her over to the states, we'd be happy to take her..........

We'll take the X-Factor judge with the same last name too.:p

Somehow I fear that if the citizens of the United Kindom had to cope with the knowledge that we would never see her arse on our TV screens again, there would be a national day of mourning...:(