Bucky vs. Iron-Man?

[Kefky]

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CAPTAIN AMERICA #33
Written by ED BRUBAKER
Pencils & Cover by STEVE EPTING
The Winter Soldier faces off against Iron Man!
The man at the top of Bucky's hitlist is finally in his grasp... but saying anything more than that will spoil all our surprises! Still, the final moments of this issue will stun fans just as much as the final moments of Captain America #25 did!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99


Hmmm, I don't see the point of this fight actually happening at this point...

1- Bru's been pretty much writing Tony as a saint.

2- In the preview of NA 30, Bucky's calling himself an idiot, for going after the wrong man and not realizing the Lukin\Skull connection.

3- He's about to get his ass saved by three pro-reg capes who were actually following him to stop him from doing anything to Tony.

Although, Bru DID tease this in a recent interview:

NRAMA: Just to play a little thought game - what would happen if Bucky did kill Tony? I'm thinking the result would make the Super-Hero Registration Act look like a walk in the park, that is, an uber-restrictive SHRA without Tony in charge, which is what he was trying to prevent from happening...

EB: Yeah, that would be a nightmare, probably. But if anyone out there could kill Tony, don't you think it's the Winter Soldier? He's smart, he's got the training and patience, and he's got a grudge. I'd be worried if I were Tony, even though he's mostly in the safest place on the planet.

[DaeJi]

I think an actually fight between the Winter Soldier and Ironman would end with Bucky in a cast. Of course he could probably just sneak up on Tony and pop him in the head, no problem. I don't know if we'll actually get a fight, or they just trade a punch or two and sit down to talk.

[Dr. Chaos]

*puts on ringleader gear*

Step right up, folks! Beat the living *** out of Tony Stark for a dollar!

[Arilou]

Remember, thanks to Extremis Tony is pretty superhuman. A stealth-kill might not work that well.

[DaeJi]

Remember, thanks to Extremis Tony is pretty superhuman. A stealth-kill might not work that well.

It will if it blows his head off.

[CaptainCanada]

Unless Bucky has the Vision ready to sneak up behind Tony and give him the ole arm-through-the-armour, that probably won't work any better for him than it did for Cap himself.

In reality, I kind of doubt there'll be an actual big throwdown; Brubaker usually ducks cliches like that.

Damn, that's a nice cover, though.

[XPac]

It really can't be a fight, because Bucky simply isn't in Iron Man's league.

It would have to be an assasination attempt more than a battle. Snipering him, or something like that if he really wanted to take Tony out.

That said, given Winter Soldier's high level of coolness, he's probably find a way to beat Stark then decide not to kill him. Stark doesn't deserve to be killed... a butt kicking is likely enough.

[Capt Hunter]

I say that the shocking ending is Steve Rogers returning from the dead. Any guesses who he will be working for..... :evilsmile

[Dr. Chaos]

I'd give anything for a variant of Bucky smashing him in the face with Cap's shield.

Anything.

[Don Quixote]

I don't see Bucky and Iron Man coming to blows quite like that. Buck may attempt to kill him, but we know that Bucky won't be dumb enough to try and take Iron Man on face to face.

Either the cover is misleading, Bucky is being controlled by Lukin/Red Skull, or he's got some sort of gadgetry that is supposed to disable Stark's suit.

I still think Bucky's going to realise that Tony wasn't responsible for Steve's death, and realise that trying to kill him is a waste of time.

Besides, Fury will want to rein Bucky in and get ready for Skrullmageddon. He might have his own plans to make contact with Stark and forge an alliance.

[Kefky]

I don't see Bucky and Iron Man coming to blows quite like that. Buck may attempt to kill him, but we know that Bucky won't be dumb enough to try and take Iron Man on face to face.

Either the cover is misleading, Bucky is being controlled by Lukin/Red Skull, or he's got some sort of gadgetry that is supposed to disable Stark's suit.

I still think Bucky's going to realise that Tony wasn't responsible for Steve's death, and realise that trying to kill him is a waste of time.

Besides, Fury will want to rein Bucky in and get ready for Skrullmageddon. He might have his own plans to make contact with Stark and forge an alliance.

I don't think an actual fight would much make sense here either, considering the way the story's going. But they'll probably have some kind of confrontation, and it won't be friendly either, so this probably won't be another Nova situation.

[Shellhead]

Brubaker said, "Yeah, that would be a nightmare." Or perhaps a dream sequence?

[Grimm]

I think a leprechaun is due to take over the Iron Man armour that week.

Bucky is just fighting him cos the little bastard took his favourite cereal.

[jackolover]

It really can't be a fight, because Bucky simply isn't in Iron Man's league.

It would have to be an assasination attempt more than a battle. Snipering him, or something like that if he really wanted to take Tony out.

That said, given Winter Soldier's high level of coolness, he's probably find a way to beat Stark then decide not to kill him. Stark doesn't deserve to be killed... a butt kicking is likely enough.

Besides, Bucky would want to find out Tonys motivations in all this. Maybe Bucky would like to speak his mind about how he feels. Mind you, Bucky doesn't know these heroes from Adam, and is just as likely to pop Tony as not. It's What Bucky does.

I would think a conversation would take place.

[rogerio]

I say that the shocking ending is Steve Rogers returning from the dead. Any guesses who he will be working for..... :evilsmile
my best bet is Bucky taking Cap's mantle!:)

[Capt Hunter]

my best bet is Bucky taking Cap's mantle!:)

I really don't think that Winter Soldier is going to take over as Cap. I think that The Red Skull will have brought back Cap somehow and use him like Aleksander Lukin used Bucky. Then Bucky can save Cap. Faustus figures into the equation. The Skull did say a variation on a familiar theme. I don't think the Skull is capable of killing Steve Rogers without somehow rubbing his face into it before pulling the trigger. The Skull has proven this time and time again. He hates Steve Rogers. He couldn't just let Rogers die without him being the trigger man.

Besides I think Tony is going to drop the "Steve is still alive" bomb on Bucky at the end of the issue.

[rajincajun689]

Bucky. One of the last 3 people on my list of people who need to whoop Iron Man's ass this year...

[XPac]

my best bet is Bucky taking Cap's mantle!:)

I wouldn't be surpised if Tony didn't try sweet talking Bucky into taking Caps mantle the same way he did with Hawkeye.

That said, I don't think he should do it. Winter Soldier is still kind of a psychotic killer... I don't think that's who should be wearing Caps costume despite their history together.

[overcomebyfumes]

I'd be worried if I were Tony, even though he's mostly in the safest place on the planet.



Good God, man. Since when is a SHIELD Helicarrier the safest place on the planet? Those things blow up and crash all the time! You couldn't pay me to set foot on one of these deathtraps.

pax.

[overcomebyfumes]

Either the cover is misleading, Bucky is being controlled by Lukin/Red Skull.


Well, he was a mind-controlled pawn for decades. Lord only knows what codewords and suchlike the Russians have buried in his skull. I'd have to say the likelihood of mind control is high.

pax.

[Jmacq1]

That said, I don't think he should do it. Winter Soldier is still kind of a psychotic killer... I don't think that's who should be wearing Caps costume despite their history together.

That's an unfair assessment. Who has he killed since regaining his full memories? Unless I'm missing someone (or possibly nameless/faceless mooks) - Nobody.

He's more of a soldier than a psycho. He was trained to kill the bad guys in WW II (and did quite a bit of it, from the looks of things). Is he falling into his old "Winter Soldier" habits? A bit...but again, he's yet to kill anyone that I can see.

Sure, he threatens to kill plenty of people. He's violent, and certainly a bit messed up in the head. (who wouldn't be under the circumstances, though?)

But surely I can't be the only person thinking that this whole story arc or two is partially designed to define what kind of hero Winter Soldier/Bucky will be here in the present day. If ultimately he chooses the path that Steve would have chosen over the path his assassin's instincts tell him to take...then I'd say that's a pretty good sign that they're prepping him to take over the mantle, barring a Steve Rogers resurrection.

As Brubaker said in a Wizard interview, I believe: (I paraphrase) "Bucky has a long way to go before he'd be ready to be Captain America." Who says the storyline we're reading now isn't chronicling that journey for us?

[Magneto Rocks]

One thing's for certain, it will be by FAR the best issue of the month it's in.

...What am I saying, this has been happening for 29 months so far!

[shaxberd]

I think Bucky will get offered the mantle of Captain America, and that Bucky will turn the offer down. At least, it wouldn't surprise me if those were the details in the letter that Steve left behind for Tony with that attorney. As for Bucky being able to take out Tony, it all depends. Who knows what Nick Fury put in that new synthetic arm of his? Also, he's the last person we've actually seen in possession of a mostly-empty cosmic cube.

[rogerio]

One thing's for certain, it will be by FAR the best issue of the month it's in.

...What am I saying, this has been happening for 29 months so far!
yeah.... As a huge fan of the series, this is by far the comic I'm most anticipating every month.Followed closely by Iron Fist. :)
talking about that Iron Man/Winter Soldier plot, I can't wait to see what they are going to do when Nick Fury show up.

[XPac]

That's an unfair assessment. Who has he killed since regaining his full memories? Unless I'm missing someone (or possibly nameless/faceless mooks) - Nobody.

He's more of a soldier than a psycho. He was trained to kill the bad guys in WW II (and did quite a bit of it, from the looks of things). Is he falling into his old "Winter Soldier" habits? A bit...but again, he's yet to kill anyone that I can see.

Sure, he threatens to kill plenty of people. He's violent, and certainly a bit messed up in the head. (who wouldn't be under the circumstances, though?)

But surely I can't be the only person thinking that this whole story arc or two is partially designed to define what kind of hero Winter Soldier/Bucky will be here in the present day. If ultimately he chooses the path that Steve would have chosen over the path his assassin's instincts tell him to take...then I'd say that's a pretty good sign that they're prepping him to take over the mantle, barring a Steve Rogers resurrection.

As Brubaker said in a Wizard interview, I believe: (I paraphrase) "Bucky has a long way to go before he'd be ready to be Captain America." Who says the storyline we're reading now isn't chronicling that journey for us?

I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what Bucky will be like down the line. The man I'm looking at now (in my opinion) shouldn't wear Caps costume. If he changes, I'll be more than willing to re-evaluate my previous opinion of him.

But I think Bucky knows better than anyone that the wrong person wearing that costume would harm the proud legacy of the man that wore it. Hopefully he won't even consider wearing it until he's ready (assuming he ever will be.)

[Don Quixote]

I don't have a crystal ball, so I don't know what Bucky will be like down the line. The man I'm looking at now (in my opinion) shouldn't wear Caps costume. If he changes, I'll be more than willing to re-evaluate my previous opinion of him.

But I think Bucky knows better than anyone that the wrong person wearing that costume would harm the proud legacy of the man that wore it. Hopefully he won't even consider wearing it until he's ready (assuming he ever will be.)

Bucky knows he isn't fit to wear it. But I'm betting Cap wouldn't agree. He seemed to have a pretty big blind spot to Bucky's faults and past sins. Well, maybe not 'blind spot' but a definite belief that sins of the past can be forgiven (as long as they weren't Cap's own sins).

I'd like to see Stark offer it, in accordance with Cap's wishes, and for Bucky to decline. I, personally, hope he never wears it. He's too strong a character now in his own right to be subsumed in the Captain America persona.

I hope no one ever wears it again. If Bucky refuses, then that'll be twice that Stark's been declined. I doubt he'll try for third time lucky.

[reta-winter soldier]

damn it, i love this series it just get's better and better. BUcky is my fav character, not sure if he should be cap, it would be a interesting step. want more action with the black widow. i would say a lot more on predicctions but brubaker is too great and unexpected for me to do that

[Harlock]

Hmm, Seeing as Tony's newest armor makes him God, "Warning, hostile target has locked on for a head shot. Initiating super omniscient "duck your big shellhead" maneuver"...

Gotta give this one to Iron Man, as much as I'd love to see Bucky rip his helmet off and poo in it.

[jackolover]

damn it, i love this series it just get's better and better. Bucky is my fav character, not sure if he should be cap, it would be a interesting step. want more action with the black widow. i would say a lot more on predictions but Brubaker is too great and unexpected for me to do that

I mean, we may not get another Cap, but the book may just get to a point where it has to have a name change. And the obvious choice is staring us right in the face. Only, what would be the expressive pronoun to the book? Like Astonishing, Incredible, Fantastic, etc.

Edit: I would go with Rampant

[Kirk G]

How sad that now that we have Cap and Bucky alive, they never got to really get together...to kick back with a Beer...to relax in Avengers Mansion... to visit or remember together.... before one of the DIED!

[rogerio]

. want more action with the black widow.
I want more.
how about a Black Widow series by Ed Brubaker?:)

[Jmacq1]

Hmm, Seeing as Tony's newest armor makes him God, "Warning, hostile target has locked on for a head shot. Initiating super omniscient "duck your big shellhead" maneuver"...

Gotta give this one to Iron Man, as much as I'd love to see Bucky rip his helmet off and poo in it.

*snickers*

No, see Thor #3 for the difference between Iron Man and a God. ;)

I want more.
how about a Black Widow series by Ed Brubaker?

I think he's already written one (or maybe more).....mini-series though.

[Don Quixote]

I want more.
how about a Black Widow series by Ed Brubaker?:)

No, we want Black Widow in a Winter Soldier ongoing.

[rogerio]

Either the cover is misleading, Bucky is being controlled by Lukin/Red Skull, or he's got some sort of gadgetry that is supposed to disable Stark's suit.

yeah...Wizard shows everything here:http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005977478.cfm
this keeps getting better and better!! :)

[Schmakt]

It will if it blows his head off.

Hilarious.

I'd give anything for a variant of Bucky smashing him in the face with Cap's shield.

Anything.

And yes... God yes... that would be so rad. :)

[overcomebyfumes]

Well, he was a mind-controlled pawn for decades. Lord only knows what codewords and suchlike the Russians have buried in his skull. I'd have to say the likelihood of mind control is high.

pax.

Wow. Totally called it.

pax.

[Harold of the Rocks]

One thing's for certain, it will be by FAR the best issue of the month it's in.

...What am I saying, this has been happening for 29 months so far!I'm not going to actually break it down month by month... but I doubt #10 (House of M Tie-In) was the 'best book of the month' when it was released... and I enjoyed that story!

I am of course assuming that #30 wasn't out when you posted this (Cap #30 came out on 9-19 where I live). If I am wrong, than perhaps your '29' is correct after all. ;)

And I'll weigh in on the speculation. Of course, it's much easier now that #30 is out (nice call, Overcome...).

1) Bucky isn't going to try to kill Stark of his own free wil.
2) Bucky couldn't kill Stark anyways... at least not in any head on confrontation. Maybe by "snipering" (it's sniping, XPac), he could get lucky. That's about his only chance.
3) Conversely, Tony could make the case that he owes Bucky some punishment. He's got some serious problems to solve, with getting to the bottom of Steve's assassination, S.H.I.E.L.D. being infiltrated by Faustus, and the Graviton / Mandarin craziness. Bucky's little one-man vendetta has become a huge resource hog for Tony; I personally wouldn't mind seeing Tony smack the little brat down for even attempting to come after him.

[PatrickG]

Weren't they making a big deal when Cap died about Tony making a choice for successor?

You suppose they have a fight, talk it out, Tony tells Bucky some of his secret agenda and asks Bucky to become Captain America and help him hunt Skrulls and spies?

[Magneto Rocks]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="Indigo"]I'm not going to actually break it down month by month... but I doubt #10 (House of M Tie-In) was the 'best book of the month' when it was released... and I enjoyed that story!

I am of course assuming that #30 wasn't out when you posted this (Cap #30 came out on 9-19 where I live). If I am wrong, than perhaps your '29' is correct after all. ;)

You're right, but let's pretend it *was* after that. :p

Weren't they making a big deal when Cap died about Tony making a choice for successor?

Yup. But that's what I think was such a brilliant twist. We had Cap want to find a successor as his way of misdirecting his own guilt, then he finally comes out and realises what would be best, flatly and repeatedly denies there should be a Cap... and then discovers Steve Rogers WANTED there to be one. It's all so poetic.

And of course, Winter Soldier, Sharon, Falcon etc would HATE him for trying to make a New Captain America, which is why the fact that it was Steve's last wishes to Tony work so well. Also note that he trusts Tony to pick the right man for the job. It really says a lot about Cap that he would trust Tony even in the midst of the Civil War, and a lot about Tony that Cap picked him.It's one fairly small thing with so many layers.

[Kefky]

Yup. But that's what I think was such a brilliant twist. We had Cap want to find a successor as his way of misdirecting his own guilt, then he finally comes out and realises what would be best, flatly and repeatedly denies there should be a Cap... and then discovers Steve Rogers WANTED there to be one. It's all so poetic.

And of course, Winter Soldier, Sharon, Falcon etc would HATE him for trying to make a New Captain America, which is why the fact that it was Steve's last wishes to Tony work so well. Also note that he trusts Tony to pick the right man for the job. It really says a lot about Cap that he would trust Tony even in the midst of the Civil War, and a lot about Tony that Cap picked him.It's one fairly small thing with so many layers.

The letter revelation also shows the Fallen Son Hawkeye issue in a completely different light. I don't know if they timed it on purpose, but if they did, releasing that story first was a smart move.

[Don Quixote]

The letter revelation also shows the Fallen Son Hawkeye issue in a completely different light. I don't know if they timed it on purpose, but if they did, releasing that story first was a smart move.

I don't know. Chronologically, does Fallen Son not come a month or so before current events in Captain America?

The last issue of it shows Cap's funeral, which featured in Captain America 26. Unless the last issue of Fallen Son comes earlier in the timeline than the others, I don't think Stark can have had that letter when Clint came to see him.

The way it played was that Stark was testing out SHIELD agents, to see if any had something like the ability to become Captain America. Then Clint comes along, throws the shield like he was born to do it, and Stark offers him the gig. It's only after Clint turns him down that he tells the press there will not be another Captain America. Of course, there's probably enough wiggle room to twist that in another direction, but that's how it seemed to fall together.

[Kefky]

Meh, you're right. Oh well. :p


I'd still like to hear what Ed thinks about it, though. Just in case he comes by here again. *ahem* ;)

[Don Quixote]

Meh, you're right. Oh well. :p


I'd still like to hear what Ed thinks about it, though. Just in case he comes by here again. *ahem* ;)

Well, Stark is a futurist. He could have subconsciously predicted what Steve would want, and figured one of Steve's closest friends was the best man for the job. He certainly knew Steve well enough to guess a final letter from him wouldn't be, "don't you dare let anyone else wear my mask. It's mine. Mine, mine mine!!"

Either way, I think Captain America is the one book at the moment that portrays Stark in the most realistic way. I don't read Iron Man, so I can't speak for what he's like in his own book, but in other books, he ranges from government flunky to moustache twirling eevil.

Brubaker portrays him as what I think he is, a guy who really is out of his element at the moment, and just isn't quite up to the task of running SHIELD. But trying to do what he thinks is right.

[Kefky]

I agree. I've actually seen people complain that Brubaker writes him as too much of a saint, which is pretty funny.


Either way, Christos Gage, Brian Reed and Matt Fraction seems to have pretty positive takes on the character too.

[XPac]

I agree. I've actually seen people complain that Brubaker writes him as too much of a saint, which is pretty funny.


Either way, Christos Gage, Brian Reed and Matt Fraction seems to have pretty positive takes on the character too.

I don't think it's fair to diminish the good or bad takes on Stark.

He has done a lot of unethical things... that can't be swept under the rug just because Civil War is now over. He is willing to cross certain lines other heroes won't. But in the same breath, he's not a mind controlling cloning terrorist 24/7... he can be a descent guy too.

The good and bad showings are BOTH right. It's just that the bad showings occur when Stark feels it's necessarily to be in jack @SS mode, while the better ones occur when he's not.

[Kefky]

We've already been through this discussion, but I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. Either writers thinks he's an ass, or they don't. I don't think it gets any more complex that. It's not hard to make the character come across as reasonable human being. If writers aren't doing that, it's just because they don't want to.

Which is fine, I guess, since the fanbase is just as divided as the writers on the subject.

[Dr. Chaos]

I agree with X.

Even JMS who everybody seems to think writes Tony as the devil incarnate has written Iron-Man as a character that is able to ocassionally break the rules to help his friends in need.

I rather like seeng him portrayed that way as a stalwart polictical warrior outside of his own book element rather than see writers line up to soften him up in the eyes of the fans after Civil War.

[Kefky]

I agree with X.

Even JMS who everybody seems to think writes Tony as the devil incarnate has written Iron-Man as a character that is able to ocassionally break the rules to help his friends in need.

I rather like seeng him portrayed that way as a stalwart polictical warrior outside of his own book element rather than see writers line up to soften him up in the eyes of the fans after Civil War.

JMS pretty much admitted in a recent interview that he writers him as a bad guy because that's how everybody sees him these days.

[XPac]

We've already been through this discussion, but I think that's just wishful thinking on your part. Either writers thinks he's an ass, or they don't. I don't think it gets any more complex that. It's not hard to make the character come across as reasonable human being. If writers aren't doing that, it's just because they don't want to.

Which is fine, I guess, since the fanbase is just as divided as the writers on the subject.

I think the point of the character is that he IS more complex than that. And that's the very reason so many writers are making the decision to take the character and run with him. It's because he's so complex that you can do so much with him.

The way JMS has Tony dealing with Peter Parker is a perfect example. If you explore the long journey the two characters have had since Tony first took Peter under his wing after joining the Avengers, you DO see a guy that genuinley does care about Peter even though he's obviously manipulating the heck out of him.

He is an @$$ that is responsible for some horrible things ... but he's also a hero that does care. To champion one showing while completely discrediting the other is basically only taking in half the story. And that's a shame, because the story when taking as a whole is actually a lot more interesting.

[Kefky]

I think the point of the character is that he IS more complex than that. And that's the very reason so many writers are making the decision to take the character and run with him. It's because he's so complex that you can do so much with him.

The way JMS has Tony dealing with Peter Parker is a perfect example. If you explore the long journey the two characters have had since Tony first took Peter under his wing after joining the Avengers, you DO see a guy that genuinley does care about Peter even though he's obviously manipulating the heck out of him.

He is an @$$ that is responsible for some horrible things ... but he's also a hero that does care. To champion one showing while completely discrediting the other is basically only taking in half the story. And that's a shame, because the story when taking as a whole is actually a lot more interesting.

I think you're just giving the writers too much credit. If the character has depth, then writers should be able to show that. Bendis does it by giving the character some ambiguity to his actions. But writers like Slott and JMS doesn't really seem to bother and just give what the readers want to see. Not that I blame them, mind you.

[XPac]

I think you're just giving the writers too much credit. If the character has depth, then writers should be able to show that. Bendis does it by giving the character some ambiguity to his actions. But writers like Slott and JMS doesn't really seem to bother and just give what the readers want to see. Not that I blame them, mind you.

When you're dealing with dam GOOD writers like Dan Slott and JMS, why wouldn't I give them that much credit?

Yes, they do put him in the role of the antagonist at times. And YES, given the things Tony has done and gotten away with in Civil War, many fans are enjoying some of that. But there are layers there. He DOES say and do bad things... that's a matter of fact. And in the eyes of SOME, he's a funner character that way. But the writers know his intent (especially JMS, so arguably laid the foundation for the post Civil War Tony Stark), and they know that he's a hero in his own book and an Avenger. Stark is a character you have to take as a whole... the good with the bad.

[Kefky]

When you're dealing with dam GOOD writers like Dan Slott and JMS, why wouldn't I give them that much credit?

Yes, they do put him in the role of the antagonist at times. And YES, given the things Tony has done and gotten away with in Civil War, many fans are enjoying some of that. But there are layers there. He DOES say and do bad things... that's a matter of fact. And in the eyes of SOME, he's a funner character that way. But the writers know his intent (especially JMS, so arguably laid the foundation for the post Civil War Tony Stark), and they know that he's a hero in his own book and an Avenger. Stark is a character you have to take as a whole... the good with the bad.

I've never seen Dan Slott write Iron-man in a positive way, not even before civil war. I think his dislike for the character goes way beyond it. Not that I have a problem with that. If he doesn't like the character, and wants to use the current status quo to crap on him, that's fine by me. Specially since a lot of people agree with him.

I hear what you're saying about JMS, and he was actually one of the writers who sold me on Tony's stance about registration, AND I liked his portrayal in OMD. But it doesn't change the fact that when he needs to write the character in a "grey area" situation, he pretty much just gives up and writes him as the bad guy because it's easier. As seen in ASM 535 and Thor 3.

I'm not really bashing either JMS or Slott. I have plenty of respect for both writers. But that doesn't mean I'm gonna enjoy everything they write to the point of even playing devil's advocate for them.

[bdk91939]

have tony hit the bottle again and then he can start thinking that he can RULE the world. then bucky can have the right to shoot him between the eyes.

otherwise political tony right now is cool.