Post-Messiah Complex X-universe Speculation

[MasterOdin]

Today, while not trying to think too much about work, I was trying to make sense of Axel Alonso's comment in the Newsarama interview (http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/disassembled/X-Who.html) that, "If indeed there is an X-Men." I then started to think about the "unusual" appearance of the X-Force team (black uniforms, red eyes, etc.). To top it off, in the Comic Book Resources interview (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11795) we have Nick Lowe's comment that, "I will say this: It will be a mixture of team books and solo books and books that aren't either of those things. We have been carefully planning the launches and relaunches to work story-wise and marketing-wise."

Putting all of this together made me wonder if Marvel is going to be doing some kind of Age of Apocalypse thing after MC. Crazy, I know, but this could also explain why Cable is back. Recall the editors commented that we did not know which Cable it was (i.e., from the future, past, or present). This also might explain Carey's new book, which is a solo book, but has other characters in it as well. What if it is Professor X trying to create a new X-Men team (going to the point of, if there are any X-Men)?

There probably are some holes in this theory, but I just have a nagging feeling that something like this is going to happen after MC. Finally, isn't there a rumor going around that Wanda might show up in MC? She would certainly go a long way to creating an alternate universe. The one problem I have with my own theory is I don't know if Marvel would do something like this given the similar nature to House of M.

[Flight]

Personally, I think the Marauders are gonna eat Rogue's brains and Gambit's gonna be all "non!!!!!!!" and Mystique's gonna be all "whaaaaaaaaa!!!!!" and Sinister's gonna be all "ugggghh???" and Sunfire's gonna be all "Yatza!!!!!!"

[Magik_Soul_Sword]

maybe...just maybe...Cable is the mutant baby that kicks off the messiah complex.

[Flight]

Ugggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh, guess you didn't get the memo that Cable's already been born in this timeline.

[Magik_Soul_Sword]

oh, guess that debunks my theory

[Red Lotus]

"If indeed there is an X-Men."

I know this is something that Lowe said, but we already know there will be X-men since Uncanny 500 is a big thing for next year and that the new AXM starts next year.

Plus Nick might just be saying X-men as in the book wont be around.

[ProfeZZor X]

Maybe... just maybe, one of Wolverine's fleas is the messiah savior.

[kate-pryde]

My theory is that Messiah Complex is only the start of the story and that is doesn't end well for the X-Men. I doubt it's going to be resolved until Uncanny 500.

We know Ellis' Astonishing isn't going to start until the summer, and is going to be lined-up with Uncanny 500.

My guess is that Messiah Complex (and Endangered Species) splits the X-Men apart. It's not just the X-Men vs the bad guys, but a lot of hard choices to be made about how to save the mutant race and what they should morally and ethically do. That splits them apart.

I do think it could be an AOA style cancellation of titles as an aftermath of Messiah Complex that are not permanent. If the school closes or the X-Men officially cease to exist, then maybe New X-Men or Carey's X-Men go away until a relaunch in the summer.

With Cable, I think whatever happened was done to reboot him. He's going to come back in a very different way to do whatever Axel Alonso wants to change him.

One interesting possibility would be if Messiah Complex ends with Scott's team loosing, or another group taking over the Institute. That leaves one of the teams (perhaps Scott's or the Wolverine X-Force team) as renegades, trying to regain control from another group (the Marauders most likely). Think Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, with either Scott or Logan's team acting like Harry and the Order.

Then that conflict ends in Uncanny 500 and a new status quo begins.

[Omega Alpha]

With Cable, I think whatever happened was done to reboot him. He's going to come back in a very different way to do whatever Axel Alonso wants to change him.

To be honest, to me he will just go back to 90's style, with big guns.


One interesting possibility would be if Messiah Complex ends with Scott's team loosing, or another group taking over the Institute. That leaves one of the teams (perhaps Scott's or the Wolverine X-Force team) as renegades, trying to regain control from another group (the Marauders most likely). Think Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, with either Scott or Logan's team acting like Harry and the Order.


That theory was thrown somewhere else (i don't know if by yourself) and it doesn't make much sense. Sinister wouldn't gain anything by doing that and in anyway anyone who took over it would be quickly removed by either the forces of all X-men combined or with the help of other teams.

[kate-pryde]

To be honest, to me he will just go back to 90's style, with big guns.

My guess is that he comes back majorly pissed off and wanting to kick some serious butt. And shoot people with big guns. But I don't think they'll add any more bizarre continuity.



That theory was thrown somewhere else (i don't know if by yourself) and it doesn't make much sense. Sinister wouldn't gain anything by doing that and in anyway anyone who took over it would be quickly removed by either the forces of all X-men combined or with the help of other teams.

Something has to happen that makes this different than the average crossover event.

What I'd rather see is a battle between two different points of view on how to save the mutant race, rather than the good guys and the bad guys trying to find a baby.

For example, those that want to take the moral high road and allow mutants to become extinct and those that will do whatever it takes to save mutantkind. Already Alex, Lorna and Rachel quit to go kill Vulcan. Might there be similar defections to the Marauders or a serious split amongst the X-Men on what they need to do to prevent mutant extinction and find the baby?

If the status quo changes as of Uncanny 500, then whatever the result of Messiah Complex wouldn't last for very long. It could end up to be a large What If scenario where everything is shaken to its core.

[Omega Alpha]

My guess is that he comes back majorly pissed off and wanting to kick some serious butt. And shoot people with big guns. But I don't think they'll add any more bizarre continuity.

On that, i agree on.




Something has to happen that makes this different than the average crossover event.

OR not.



What I'd rather see is a battle between two different points of view on how to save the mutant race, rather than the good guys and the bad guys trying to find a baby.

For example, those that want to take the moral high road and allow mutants to become extinct and those that will do whatever it takes to save mutantkind. Already Alex, Lorna and Rachel quit to go kill Vulcan. Might there be similar defections to the Marauders or a serious split amongst the X-Men on what they need to do to prevent mutant extinction and find the baby?

If the status quo changes as of Uncanny 500, then whatever the result of Messiah Complex wouldn't last for very long. It could end up to be a large What If scenario where everything is shaken to its core.

I think that the baby will be the trigger to a lot of questions and debates, and yes, it's possible that the X-men split up eventually, like is happening with the NA now. But not something like the Marauders or someone taking over the mansion will happen.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Only theory that seems acceptable about the conclusion of Messiah Complex is that Sinister is going to win.

[Omega Alpha]

Only theory that seems acceptable about the conclusion of Messiah Complex is that Sinister is going to win.

Unless, of course, there isn't really anything to be won.

[Cthulhudrew]

Putting all of this together made me wonder if Marvel is going to be doing some kind of Age of Apocalypse thing after MC. Crazy, I know, but this could also explain why Cable is back. Recall the editors commented that we did not know which Cable it was (i.e., from the future, past, or present).

Just to add further fuel to your fire, there is also Cable's cryptic comment in #41 when he thinks (watching the X-Men leave) "It's the last time I'll see them... Until the next time I see them again. It's how these things work."

[Cthulhudrew]

With Cable, I think whatever happened was done to reboot him. He's going to come back in a very different way to do whatever Axel Alonso wants to change him.

Which, if it is the case, is kind of silly, considering how many times he was rebooted within the confines of C/DP already. (By my count, something on the order of 4 times? From uber-powerful in Burnt Offering, then needing to have the T-O Virus fixed and losing his TP/TK, then being killed and reborn with his powers, then getting artificial replacements for his powers, then losing those and temporarily regaining his powers with the Mumudrai- which he lost, leaving him basically "gun-totin' Cable" right before he died anyway).

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Only theory that seems acceptable about the conclusion of Messiah Complex is that Sinister is going to win.
Unless Mystique ends up stabbing him in the back later on and seizing the reigns of the Marauders herself. I wouldn't put it past her to do a double-double cross. It wouldn't mean that she's a good guy, just that she'd betray anyone as long as it served her purposes. Heck, she did it to her own family. (Poor Rogue :()

The only way I don't see this happening is because Essex has proven to be quite a difficult person to defeat/kill. She's pretty devious though, she could figure out a way, or have some help, perhaps in the form of Gambit, maybe even Rogue? Eh, probably not Rogue, she'd probably rather kill Raven then help her to get rid of Sinister. :eek:

I know you don't like Mystique much, so could you please skip the "Mystique would never in a million years defeat Sinister" tirade? :p As much as you may think it to be truth, it's only your opinion, and I'll respect that if you respect mine. :)

I've got a few ideas for the post Messiah Complex X-Universe as well, but it'd have to wait for another day.

I do think that some of what you people have said have a good chance of happening though, like the idealogical splits within the X-Men.

We've already surmised that Xavier is breaking off from the main X-Men team and forming his own group, possibly with Magneto as well.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Unless, of course, there isn't really anything to be won.

Something's going on where Sinister isn't really the bad guy..he's just pushing things forward because he got prior information. So technically there is no way for him to come up short in this..it will probably hinge on something moral/amoral to decide the conclusion where both sides will be content.

Unless Mystique ends up stabbing him in the back later on and seizing the reigns of the Marauders herself. I wouldn't put it past her to do a double-double cross. It wouldn't mean that she's a good guy, just that she'd betray anyone as long as it served her purposes. Heck, she did it to her own family. (Poor Rogue :()

The only way I don't see this happening is because Essex has proven to be quite a difficult person to defeat/kill. She's pretty devious though, she could figure out a way, or have some help, perhaps in the form of Gambit, maybe even Rogue? Eh, probably not Rogue, she'd probably rather kill Raven then help her to get rid of Sinister. :eek:

I know you don't like Mystique much, so could you please skip the "Mystique would never in a million years defeat Sinister" tirade? :p As much as you may think it to be truth, it's only your opinion, and I'll respect that if you respect mine. :)

I've got a few ideas for the post Messiah Complex X-Universe as well, but it'd have to wait for another day.

I do think that some of what you people have said have a good chance of happening though, like the idealogical splits within the X-Men.

We've already surmised that Xavier is breaking off from the main X-Men team and forming his own group, possibly with Magneto as well.

Only problem with that theory is that Mystique and the Marauders stand no chance on EARTH taking on Sinister without getting themselves killed in spectacular fashion. Exodus is really the one who could be considered his equal in power or strength. Not some shape shifter who's loyalties remain shakier than Tony Stark's belief system right now.

Oh I didn't see that "don't give you a tirade" part. Fine, UncannyAsiangirl, but until you come up with workable way Mystique can hold her own against a guy that never really comes up short, I just don't see it.

[Magneto_X]

Crazy theory: what if the Messiah is a reborn Jean Grey? Crazier things have happened.

[Maestro]

Crazy theory: what if the Messiah is a reborn Jean Grey? Crazier things have happened.

I want Jean back too, but Joe Q is dead set against bringing her back

[Magneto_X]

I want Jean back too, but Joe Q is dead set against bringing her back

Q might have said that as a red herring.

Listen, I *like* Jean but she's been stale for years before she died for real in Morrison's run. But she's mega powerful, smart *and* people will recognise her. She's been dead for years -- this might be the event where Marvel finally brings her back again. So why not a line wide event like "Messiah Complex"?

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Nah..they can add her in towards the conclusion of what happens in Uncanny #500.

[Omega Alpha]

Unless Mystique ends up stabbing him in the back later on and seizing the reigns of the Marauders herself. I wouldn't put it past her to do a double-double cross. It wouldn't mean that she's a good guy, just that she'd betray anyone as long as it served her purposes. Heck, she did it to her own family. (Poor Rogue :()

The only way I don't see this happening is because Essex has proven to be quite a difficult person to defeat/kill. She's pretty devious though, she could figure out a way, or have some help, perhaps in the form of Gambit, maybe even Rogue? Eh, probably not Rogue, she'd probably rather kill Raven then help her to get rid of Sinister. :eek:

I know you don't like Mystique much, so could you please skip the "Mystique would never in a million years defeat Sinister" tirade? :p As much as you may think it to be truth, it's only your opinion, and I'll respect that if you respect mine. :)

It's literally impossible for the Marauders to break free of Sinister's control. That, and what is Mystique going to do against Sinister? Shoot him?


Q might have said that as a red herring.

He didn't. He also admited it was a mistake to bring her back after DPS and said she isn't interesting enough without the Phoenix to justify another return.



Listen, I *like* Jean but she's been stale for years before she died for real in Morrison's run. But she's mega powerful, smart *and* people will recognise her. She's been dead for years -- this might be the event where Marvel finally brings her back again. So why not a line wide event like "Messiah Complex"?

A better question is: why bring her back? Why instead of it being a great event that changes the X-men and entertains the readers, it should be remembered as "the story in which Jean Grey was brought back for the 98th time" ? It wouldn't please anyone except for a few fanboys of the character, and if Marvel was that interested in those, she would already be back.

Also, Nick Lowe said there would be no ressurections in the crossover. I supposed both it wouldn't make much sense storywise and the fact that it wouldn't do it any good, like they didn't killed Cap. America in Civil War because it would be remembered as "the event in which Cap. America died".

[Slung]

He didn't. He also admited it was a mistake to bring her back after DPS and said she isn't interesting enough without the Phoenix to justify another return.

And Carey felt it was a mistake for Morrison to kill her. Everyone has an opinion.

A better question is: why bring her back? Why instead of it being a great event that changes the X-men and entertains the readers, it should be remembered as "the story in which Jean Grey was brought back for the 98th time" ? It wouldn't please anyone except for a few fanboys of the character, and if Marvel was that interested in those, she would already be back. It would be the second time she was brought back.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Second time? The Phoenix stuff where it appeared she was dead...the Dark Pheonix deal....Maddie running with the ball at that point...she appeared in Avengers all of a sudden. It never ends for Jean Grey.

[Pro]

Something's going on where Sinister isn't really the bad guy..

Please please please don't ever become a politician ..

[Slung]

Second time? The Phoenix stuff where it appeared she was dead...the Dark Pheonix deal....Maddie running with the ball at that point...she appeared in Avengers all of a sudden. It never ends for Jean Grey.

What are you talking about - her death in Uncanny 101 was a cliffhanger death. It doesn't count as "death." Just like Colossus being impaled through the chest by Deathbird or Nightcrawler being dead at the end of some random issue doesn't count as a death.

We've got Dark Phoenix. One death.

We've got Planet X. Two deaths.

She has never had any other deaths where she was "dead is dead."

Magneto has been dead WAY more times than Jean. But I'm not sitting her trying to count them all and say why he shouldn't come back.

[Christopher O]

What are you talking about - her death in Uncanny 101 was a cliffhanger death. It doesn't count as "death." Just like Colossus being impaled through the chest by Deathbird or Nightcrawler being dead at the end of some random issue doesn't count as a death.
I think it was open to interpretation, but I view it as a literal death. She had to fall, so she could rise again. I think it's similar to Logan killing her in Planet X, so the Phoenix could be fully unleashed.

[Slung]

I think it was open to interpretation, but I view it as a literal death. She had to fall, so she could rise again. I think it's similar to Logan killing her in Planet X, so the Phoenix could be fully unleashed.

I agree that she "died" but it wasn't an Uncle Ben death that we can check off the "she should stay dead" list. It was a death for the sake of a cliff hanger ending that moved the plot along. She was called "Phoenix" for a reason.

She still has only had two actual non-cliffhanger deaths.

[Christopher O]

I agree that she "died" but it wasn't an Uncle Ben death that we can check off the "she should stay dead" list. It was a death for the sake of a cliff hanger ending that moved the plot along. She was called "Phoenix" for a reason.

She still has only had two actual non-cliffhanger deaths.
Well, she has three, if you count Endsong. Maybe you don't want to, lol.

[Slung]

Well, she has three, if you count Endsong. Maybe you don't want to, lol.

She technically didn't die at the conclusion of Endsong - she just ascended the the White Hot Room. But yeah, ever since Warsong, Endsong has seemed less and less appealing.

[Christopher O]

She technically didn't die at the conclusion of Endsong - she just ascended the the White Hot Room. But yeah, ever since Warsong, Endsong has seemed less and less appealing.
Eh, she ascended to the White Hot Room in "Here Comes Tomorrow" as well, but that's still basically being dead. I count it as a death, at least. That's the schtick, after all.

[Slung]

Eh, she ascended to the White Hot Room in "Here Comes Tomorrow" as well, but that's still basically being dead. I count it as a death, at least. That's the schtick, after all.
Its like Enoch from the Bible. He didn't die, God just took him to Heaven.

[Christopher O]

Its like Enoch from the Bible. He didn't die, God just took him to Heaven.
He still left this mortal plain! Some would interpret that as death!

[Don Quixote]

But if Jean comes back, we'll have to put up with more soap opera nonsense with her and Emma squabbling over Cyclops. I think there are more important things to deal with in the crossover than that.

[Slung]

But if Jean comes back, we'll have to put up with more soap opera nonsense with her and Emma squabbling over Cyclops. I think there are more important things to deal with in the crossover than that.

Nothing is more important to deal with then Jean coming back :)

[CE_Rap]

It's funny how this became a "Jean debate" all of a sudden:D

[Omega Alpha]

Nothing is more important to deal with then Jean coming back :)

Except for which is Paris Hilton opinion about the reasons of the growth of anti-americanism in the islamic world and everything else that is more relevant :p

[Flâneur]

X-force - the feral tracking peeps written by Kyle and Yost. Maybe involve Heppy and Caliban? Wtf will they be tracking after the baby mess is done with?
Uncanny - Brubaker still. Cast?
Astonishing - Ellis & Bianchi. Cast?!
X-men - ????:confused:
New X-men - ????:confused:
X-men: Legacy - Carey. About an old school character. Has an ensemble cast. Wut Wut. Who's in it? Mike 'Hi-Fi' Carey SPEAK PLZ.
X-Factor - still PAD but losing Rahne and gaining someone. Who is the n00b?
Cable & Deadpool - cancelled! :(
Cable - new book by crime writer dude. WTF when is it placed in? =/
Excalibur - Paul Cornell. Have we heard anything about the cast?
New Exiles - CC, Sage, Psylocke, Morpheus, Alternarogue, Cat, Mystic and mind control. Um .. thoughts?

Does anyone remember the X-position where they said xyz books are being cancelled? How many was it? We've got one with C&D, so which other(s) do you think it could be?

Oh and some stuff from Jim McCaan.





Hey, Jim!

First of all, thanks so much for spending your time to answer our questions. Here's a batch of them:

1) With the almost confirmation of X-Men being cancelled, can we expect Rogue, Iceman and Cannonball to have a monthly book as a home in the post-Messiah CompleX world? I'm pretty sure Mike already stated that he'll keep writing Rogue, But I'm worried about the other two.

2) Now that Ellis will write Astonishing X-Men, is there any chance that Boom-Boom will make a comeback to the X-Universe?

3) And lastly, when will writer Christos Gage get a monthly book from Marvel? It's beyond time!

Thanks again
1- As you may have heard, X-Men is NOT getting canceled, but it is chenging a bit. To reveal anything more about it will tip the end of Messiah Complex before it even begins (this Weds!)

2- I can't pretend to guess what goes on in the mind of the extremely gifted and demented Warren Ellis!

3- Gage? Name rings a bell... ;)

Changing, sorry- typo. And nope- no hints. But Carey is still writing it.

Ok, here it is, fellow Dazzler fans. Great news! Can't spill much on the detail front, but Alison WILL be returning to a core X-Men title by the summer...and she'll be blonde (or else the X-Office will hear it from me!). More news to come in a few weeks.


Paul is on Excalibur. It's gonna rock, but it's a ways out from launching because of where it fits in the landscape of the Marvel U (yes, not just the X-Men U. Hmmmm...)

OMG SO MANY QUESTIONS AND POSSIBILITIES!

Halp plz.

SEXCULATE ... I mean *SPECULATE!

[Porcelain]

So X-men is just doing a re-titling with direction change (a la New X-men)? Cool.

This Paul Cornell, what's he done? What's his style?

[Flâneur]

So X-men is just doing a re-titling with direction change (a la New X-men)? Cool.

This Paul Cornell, what's he done? What's his style?
Cornell has written some Dr. Who stuff recently and he did that Wisdom mini as well. So I'm guessing it's gonna be sci-fi-esque and torchwoody (except without all the sex and bad acting).

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Cornell has written some Dr. Who stuff recently and he did that Wisdom mini as well. So I'm guessing it's gonna be sci-fi-esque and torchwoody (except without all the sex and bad acting).

Here's hoping! ;)

It pleases me greatly to here that it's not going to be JUST X-Specific. Excalibur has never fitted well that way.

[Porcelain]

Will have to check out Wisdom.

<<< More than ready for a new Excalibur direction. Yay :D just found out he's a brit! Maybe less clichés and better dialogue???

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Will have to check out Wisdom.

<<< More than ready for a new Excalibur direction. Yay :D just found out he's a brit! Maybe less clichés and better dialogue???

Yeah. He's a bloody nice bloke too. Does a lot of Sci-fi cons.

It's well worth having a look at the Wisdom trade. And yes, he writes good dialogue.

[Michael Sean]

Lowe said that there wouldn't be any resurrections in the pages of Messiah Complex.

If Jean is in the story, perhaps she was resurrected off panel before the story or she could be resurrected or return in Emperor Vulcan or What If: Rise and Fall.

The Jean (if she is in it) in What if could be the real 616 Jean since the M'Kraan Crystal is a nexus of realities and part of White Phoenix/Jean's role is to change sick timelines/realities.

[jarrod]

There's a few characters we know of that're headed somewhere...

Astonishing: Ellis mentioned keeping largely Whedon's cast... singled out Emma specifically.

Uncanny: Brubaker mentioned using Dazzler so this is likely where she ends up. Also mentioned using Storm for the foreseeable future iirc, she may lead.

Carey's book: Xaiver, Magneto, Rogue and Juggernaut hints from Carey and other sources.

Excalibur: Wisdom's an obvious lock for Cornell. Captain Britian's likely also.

[CyberHubbs]

I have a suspicion that Carey's book will consist of a, say, Brooklyn or Bronx setting, and Xavier and Erik are warring old men that sit out on their stoops on opposite sides of the street all day and from there send out their minions. It's Bronx Tale meets Grumpy Old Men.

[Red Lotus]

There's a few characters we know of that're headed somewhere...

Astonishing: Ellis mentioned keeping largely Whedon's cast... singled out Emma specifically.

Uncanny: Brubaker mentioned using Dazzler so this is likely where she ends up. Also mentioned using Storm for the foreseeable future iirc, she may lead.

Carey's book: Xaiver, Magneto, Rogue and Juggernaut hints from Carey and other sources.

Excalibur: Wisdom's an obvious lock for Cornell. Captain Britian's likely also.


Just to add to that. Bru talked about using Cyclops so I can see him being a big part of that book since AXM wont be out yet.

Carey has talked about plans to explore Gambit’s heritage and also talked about revisiting Quiet Bill and The Guilds(or something like that).

[jarrod]

Just to add to that. Bru talked about using Cyclops so I can see him being a big part of that book since AXM wont be out yet.

Carey has talked about plans to explore Gambit’s heritage and also talked about revisiting Quiet Bill and The Guilds(or something like that).

Yeah forgot about that. Carey also hinted that he might be taking Blindfold and that Iceman's going to be on a core team (my guess is Uncanny).

[Omega Alpha]

Just to add to that. Bru talked about using Cyclops so I can see him being a big part of that book since AXM wont be out yet.

Carey has talked about plans to explore Gambit’s heritage and also talked about revisiting Quiet Bill and The Guilds(or something like that).

Didn't Quiet Bill died on #200?

Yeah forgot about that. Carey also hinted that he might be taking Blindfold and that Iceman's going to be on a core team (my guess is Uncanny).

Iceman is probably in Uncanny, Brubaker said he likes him, and I can't see Ellis being a fan of Bobby (don't know why though, just an impression).

[Canemacar]

Didn't Quiet Bill died on #200?.

He was probably talking about the message Bill left.

[Omega Alpha]

BTW, does anyone have any idea as to what will happen with Uncanny after MC? We know it won't follow Xavier's team anymore, Cyclops will have at least one big scene and it will share some characters with AXM. Maybe it will be a more in-continuity book, starring basically Ellis' team and maybe on or another character, while AXM keeps in it's own bubble isolated from the rest of the MU?

[Dagger]

How hot would it be if Carey did a Rogue solo and Fabe Nic came back and did another round on a Gambit solo? I'd soooo buy that!

[jarrod]

BTW, does anyone have any idea as to what will happen with Uncanny after MC? We know it won't follow Xavier's team anymore, Cyclops will have at least one big scene and it will share some characters with AXM. Maybe it will be a more in-continuity book, starring basically Ellis' team and maybe on or another character, while AXM keeps in it's own bubble isolated from the rest of the MU?
Post-MC, pre-500, I'd expect a water treading rotating cast and general Magneto build up. #500 should be where the team get's more solidified, where the X-Men get divied up betwen Uncanny and Astonishing. "Some shared cast" likely means just Wolverine and maybe Emma imo. ;)

[Hi-Fi]

BTW, does anyone have any idea as to what will happen with Uncanny after MC? We know it won't follow Xavier's team anymore, Cyclops will have at least one big scene and it will share some characters with AXM. Maybe it will be a more in-continuity book, starring basically Ellis' team and maybe on or another character, while AXM keeps in it's own bubble isolated from the rest of the MU?
Team led by Storm, I'd guess.

How hot would it be if Carey did a Rogue solo and Fabe Nic came back and did another round on a Gambit solo? I'd soooo buy that!
One of those is kinda happening (or is it just wishful thinking of my part?)

[Canemacar]

One of those is kinda happening (or is it just wishful thinking of my part?)

You might be. Rogue's definitely going to have a prominent role, but I don't think Carey could get away with making the whole thing about her.

Still, you've got a writer who plays favorites with your favorite. Be happy. :D

[Hi-Fi]

You might be. Rogue's definitely going to have a prominent role, but I don't think Carey could get away with making the whole thing about her.

Still, you've got a writer who plays favorites with your favorite. Be happy. :D
I am! And if you still like Gambit, I guess we'll still be reading the same book next year. You're stuck with me! :D

[Red Lotus]

How hot would it be if Carey did a Rogue solo and Fabe Nic came back and did another round on a Gambit solo? I'd soooo buy that!


I wish this would happen. I want Carey to do a Gambit solo, but Fabian Gambit run was great.

Didn't Quiet Bill died on #200?


Yean I cant remember how Carey said it, maybe some one else can find more on that.

[Omega Alpha]

Post-MC, pre-500, I'd expect a water treading rotating cast and general Magneto build up. #500 should be where the team get's more solidified, where the X-Men get divied up betwen Uncanny and Astonishing. "Some shared cast" likely means just Wolverine and maybe Emma imo. ;)

Brubaker doesn't seem the least interested in Wolverine, and he doesn't seem to like Emma very much, either. Cyclops is his favorite, and he wanted him and Beast on Rise and Fall, so they are likely to be the ones he's sharing with Ellis.

[jarrod]

Brubaker doesn't seem the least interested in Wolverine, and he doesn't seem to like Emma very much, either. Cyclops is his favorite, and he wanted him and Beast on Rise and Fall, so they are likely to be the ones he's sharing with Ellis.
I think Beast may be driven out entirely (and into Legacy) alongside Xaiver actually... Cyclops also seems doubtful imo as Brubaker's said to be using Storm in his book, if he does appear in Uncanny I'd expect it as more of an advisory role (like Emma in Milligan's run maybe).

Really, I think "shared cast" means we'll see cameos when necessary to the story and a more general awareness of a shared base, than actual core cast shared in the books.

As far as the X-Men themselves...

Emma: a lock for Ellis, but might butt in on Brubaker's team from time to time (a la Milligan)

Cyclops: ditto more or less

Beast: good canidate for leaving entirely imo

Wolverine: heading X-Force, probably in Ellis' book too

Colossus: Ellis doesn't care for him so he may switch to Brubaker

Kitty: God, I hate you Whedon :(

Lockheed: ditto :(

Xaiver: out entirely, Carey gets him

Storm: lock for Bru

Nightcrawler: hopefully going to Ellis (he likes the character anyway) but may get sidelined entirely in MX

Warpath: headed for X-Force

Caliban/Hepzibah: ditto, or getting killed

Darwin: ???? no clue really, no one seems to like him much

Angel: probably sticking with Bru

Rogue: sidelined, leaving with Carey

Iceman: probably going to Bru

Cannonball: out of commission for the foreseeable future

Cable: dead, time displaced ongoing

Gambit: possibly on Carey's book

Rachel/Polaris/Havok: lost in space

Karma: laundry slave

Northstar/Aurora: spoken for outside X-Office

Psylocke: God, I hate you Claremont :(

Forge: uh... X-Force?

Bishop: uh... ditto?


...and we know Bru's bringing in Dazzler and Ellis will probably bring in Boom Boom imo.

[Hi-Fi]

I dislike the word sidelined!

[Canemacar]

I dislike the word sidelined!

"Doing her best Terry Schiavo impression"?

[Red Lotus]

Nightcrawler: hopefully going to Ellis (he likes the character anyway) but may get sidelined entirely in MX


I dislike the word sidelined!

Its better then saying dead.

[Speed]

1- As you may have heard, X-Men is NOT getting canceled, but it is chenging a bit. To reveal anything more about it will tip the end of Messiah Complex before it even begins (this Weds!) So after all the abuse I got, turns out I was actually right.
Maybe the members of this forum shouldn't state things as fact until someone from Marvel has officially confirmed something.
Apology accepted.

[Omega Alpha]

I think Beast may be driven out entirely (and into Legacy) alongside Xaiver actually... Cyclops also seems doubtful imo as Brubaker's said to be using Storm in his book, if he does appear in Uncanny I'd expect it as more of an advisory role (like Emma in Milligan's run maybe).


Carey won't be getting Beast, he probably was before the book was canceled, but now he can't even have Northstar, let alone Hank. ES was clearly setting up for him to become a darker character, but since Carey can't have him anymore, he came back to "normal" suddenly on the end. And Brubaker can use Cyclops and Storm, nothing really to stop him.


So after all the abuse I got, turns out I was actually right.
Maybe the members of this forum shouldn't state things as fact until someone from Marvel has officially confirmed something.
Apology accepted.

X-men #v2 IS getting canceled. The "changing a bit" is that it will have a new name, a completely different purpose and cast and a new numbering.

[frog]

So after all the abuse I got, turns out I was actually right.
Maybe the members of this forum shouldn't state things as fact until someone from Marvel has officially confirmed something.
Apology accepted.

Actually, what has been posted sounds like a cancellation of the original title to me. If it is getting new cast and creator and title, it can hardly be the same thing.

And Speed, you really need to read my message to you in X-Cresence before you start expecting apologies.

[Hi-Fi]

"Doing her best Terry Schiavo impression"?

Its better then saying dead.
You two love her and you know it!

[CaptainCanada]

ES was clearly setting up for him to become a darker character, but since Carey can't have him anymore, he came back to "normal" suddenly on the end.
I don't get the impression that ES was ever really meant to change anything, or was revised midway through. Carey said from the start that the "Blinded by the Light" arc took place after ES, and Beast was completely normal in that (although his screentime was limited).

[frog]

I don't get the impression that ES was ever really meant to change anything, or was revised midway through. Carey said from the start that the "Blinded by the Light" arc took place after ES, and Beast was completely normal in that (although his screentime was limited).

I think you are right. I think Carey wanted to use both Beast and Dark Beast. There wouldn't be much point in that if their personalities didn't stay in stark contrast. I believe that Carey will be using Dark Beast in the future.

[steve2275]

How hot would it be if Carey did a Rogue solo and Fabe Nic came back and did another round on a Gambit solo? I'd soooo buy that!
gambit deadpool:p

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Where is the SURE PROOF that X-Men is getting canceled? A top 20 book gets canceled? WHAT?

[lib519]

Axel Alonso has stated that there will be 7 x-titles post CompleX. (Not counting Wolverine and Wolverine Origions)

This seems to be the confirmed titles so far:

Astonishing X-Men: Warren Ellis
New Exiles: Chris Claremont
X-Factor: Peter David
X-Force: Craig Kyle and Chris Yost
X-Men Legacy: Mike Carey
Cable: Duane Swierczynski
Unconfirmed Title: Ed Brubaker

Any thoughts?

[lib519]

Axel Alonso has stated that there will be 7 x-titles after the crossover. (Not counting Wolverine and Wolverine Origins)

This seems to be the confirmed titles so far:

Astonishing X-Men: Warren Ellis
New Exiles: Chris Claremont
X-Factor: Peter David
X-Force: Craig Kyle and Chris Yost
X-Men Legacy: Mike Carey
Cable: Duane Swierczynski
Unconfirmed Title: Ed Brubaker

Any thoughts?

[rajincajun689]

The Unconfirmed Title better be Uncanny X-Men or I will stop buying any X-Book. It should be Uncanny, but i dunno.

[jarrod]

Ed wouldn't confirm, but he is staying on Uncanny.

There's also Paul Cornell's Excalibur relaunch, and Wolverine and Wolverine Origins are continuing. New Exiles is outside the X-Office now though fwiw.

[Brian M.]

Yea Ed's on Uncanny. He's already talked about writing an aftermath issue and such.

[lib519]

It was my understanding that it was Paul Cornell's Excalibur that was to be outside the X-office.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Axel Alonso has stated that there will be 7 x-titles after the crossover. (Not counting Wolverine and Wolverine Origins)

This seems to be the confirmed titles so far:

Astonishing X-Men: Warren Ellis
New Exiles: Chris Claremont
X-Factor: Peter David
X-Force: Craig Kyle and Chris Yost
X-Men Legacy: Mike Carey
Cable: Duane Swierczynski
Unconfirmed Title: Ed Brubaker

Any thoughts?

Well you've also missed off Excalibur: Paul Cornell, which has been confirmed for quite some while, now.

[Jimmae]

... where's new x-men? :(

[Arilou]

Hmmm, seems very sad.

I'm wondering what they count as "x-titles" though. Excalibur might probably not be counted there.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

It was my understanding that it was Paul Cornell's Excalibur that was to be outside the X-office.

That has not been suggested anywhere to date. It has been said that the launch will be slightly delayed to fit on with certain issues in the Marvel Universe, but Nick Lowe is still talking of it terms of being an X-Book.

[Beast]

Hmmm, seems very sad.

I'm wondering what they count as "x-titles" though. Excalibur might probably not be counted there.
Especially after the revamp. *Sagenods*

[Omega Alpha]

And Exiles is not part of the X-men office too. The books are AXM, Uncanny, X-men Legacy, Cable, X-factor, X-force and New X-men (which may have a different name).

[Jmd211]

Axel Alonso has stated that there will be 7 x-titles after the crossover. (Not counting Wolverine and Wolverine Origins)

This seems to be the confirmed titles so far:

Astonishing X-Men: Warren Ellis
X-Factor: Peter David
X-Force: Craig Kyle and Chris Yost
X-Men Legacy: Mike Carey
Cable: Duane Swierczynski

Any thoughts?

So we have 5 titles so far, Exiles is not an xbook and Excalibur is going to be something different. Let me real, Marvel is going to have Deadpool in a solo monthly again or an Agency X type comic. They would not have Deadpool in limbo. So that's 6. Plus you have uncanny, so there are the 7.

[The Lucky One]

... where's new x-men? :(

Well, the New Mutants lasted 100 issues before being cancelled(/relaunched as X-Force). Generation X made it 75 issues before cancellation. Going by that logic...

-D

[We R. Venom]

Will the New X-men be in any book? it's hard thinking about who will be in what book. I have know idea which X-book I will be buying after MC.

[Vaal]

My money is on Professor X taking the kids off to teach (along with those who still believe in his dream) as part of X-Men Legacy while the other teams become this X-men army the eds are so up on.

I'm just glad they won't be X-force (that was a bad idea the first time around) and pray Ellis doesn't get them.

[WhitehotRoom]

I personally wouldnt call New Exiles a core Xbook.

I think Uncanny and New X-men will be the other two titles.

[Fatguy]

I personally wouldnt call New Exiles a core Xbook.

I think Uncanny and New X-men will be the other two titles.

That's what I'm hoping as well. New Exiles is BARELY an X-Book.

I really hope New X-Men lives on :(

[Maestro]

I'm going to assume that C&C will stick to doing only one ongoing at a time. So who would be a good replacement for New X-Men?

[Joe Franklin]

I have figured it out. Carey will have the kids from the canceled New X-Men series in his Legacies book with Xavier mentoring them.:cool:

And Skottie Young will be the artist.

[Omega Alpha]

I'm going to assume that C&C will stick to doing only one ongoing at a time. So who would be a good replacement for New X-Men?

If Brubaker and Bendis can do five a month, I don't see why two writers can't do two books in a month.

[Flight]

Where is regular X-Men?
I'm just going to stick Carey's new book onto my 200+ pile and score out the word Legacy in thick black marker each month.

[podmark]

If Brubaker and Bendis can do five a month, I don't see why two writers can't do two books in a month.

Yost and Kyle are both heavily involved in animation as well.

The Legacy theory is pretty good, but I really believe New X-Men will continue.

[DeniseXfrost]

God who reads New exiles? This book should be cancelled and get Psylocke to more popular books that actually matter to x-universe.

[Omega Alpha]

Yost and Kyle are both heavily involved in animation as well.


Still, two books, two writers. And Yost is writing Emperor Vulcan, which means they are fast enough to do two books.

[jarrod]

Still, two books, two writers. And Yost is writing Emperor Vulcan, which means they are fast enough to do two books.
Both already have full time day jobs in another field though... Kyle's busier than Yost generally also iirc (hence Yost doing the Magik arc solo and doing EV on the side), and Yost has a baby even. This isn't like Brubaker or Bendis, where all they get to do is write comics.

I guess it could happen, but we've seen both mention in interviews before how just doing one monthly was basically kicking their ass... two might be too much.

[jarrod]

I have figured it out. Carey will have the kids from the canceled New X-Men series in his Legacies book with Xavier mentoring them.:cool:

And Skottie Young will be the artist.
I could see that actually... we already know the kids are going to rebel against Scott during MX, maybe they switch wholsale to Xaiver? Hell, maybe Xaiver retakes the Institute entirely and Scott/Emma leave with the X-Men?

It could work... but the hints we've gotten from Carey directly make it seem sort of unlikely imo.

[XYagentguy]

After all of this crazy debate and corrections, can we try to get an updated and more accurate list of what series are going and which are coming?

On a side note, I am going to be REALLY disappointed if Storm doesn't make it as a regular. She is an X-MAN!! (or woman).. she belongs with them, not with FF or off in Africa.

Bleh!

[steve2275]

Yea Ed's on Uncanny. He's already talked about writing an aftermath issue and such.

like marvel would stop just before 500 :p

[beej]

I could see that actually... we already know the kids are going to rebel against Scott during MX, maybe they switch wholsale to Xaiver? Hell, maybe Xaiver retakes the Institute entirely and Scott/Emma leave with the X-Men?

It could work... but the hints we've gotten from Carey directly make it seem sort of unlikely imo.


It seems to me that New x-men may be cancelled and replaced with x-force as new mutants was in 1990...... In recent issues of new x-men, characters like cyclops have stated that they have failed the children again and again..... this may be the reason behind the new x-force team, a team that will kill and do anything to protect the younger generation

[KuwabaraTheMan]

I just hope there's a place for this current generation of kids, wherever that is. I've been following most of them since the first issue of the New Mutants relaunch back in 2003. It'd be a shame if most of the characters disappeared. We already lost so many of them when Kyle and Yost took over.

[cap5]

God who reads New exiles? This book should be cancelled and get Psylocke to more popular books that actually matter to x-universe.
or get more of the 2099 Universe thown in there

[Expendable]

First post here and I wanted too see what everyone sees happening to X-Factor after MC.

X-Factor is currently my favorite title in Marvel. I was a huge fan of PAD original run on the title years ago. Infact learning that PAD started up a new X-Factor title is what got me back on comics after a 12 year hiatus.

My thoughts on the X-Factor crew:

I think there were will be 2 Layla's after MC. Some how some way she comes back in a older form and there will still be young Layla. I dunno maybe I've read too many comics in my life but this seems plausable too happen. Plus there is the whole Madrox Miller marriage thing that has been brought up a lot of times and it seems that it has too happen. Plus you have the whole Rahne killing them on their honeymoon.

Which brings me too that. I think Rahne leaves X-Factor with the sudden apperance of older Layla. She has yet too this day tell anyone about the vision she received from elder tryp and I believe in the hype up for the X-Factor it makes mention too why Rahne is leaving and can't tell the other members. Or it could be due too her maybe killing someone and getting that taste I dunno.

I don't believe Rictor is gonna die. I think he might leave the team to help teach at the school cause something happens and he becomes close to some of the new x-men. But that's assuming that new x-men survive the cut(meaning we get new issues after mc another story for another day.)

Monet. Does anyone else miss Monet so far in MC? I don't understand how she's one of the big hitters and has been on the bench this whole time. Anyways I think she's the pregneant one. And it will become known she gives birth too Bishops mother or father(making Madrox Bishops grandpa that makes for interesting stories.) With that being said I believe Bishop will join X-Factor(along with Deadpool. A man can dream can't he?)

Just some thoughts. One question anyone know how long PAD is staying on X-Factor? Don't know if I can read it without him.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Re: Layla.

I definitely think some kind of time-shift will happen. The possibility of her cming back as a proper adult, could be interesting. It would also lead that remark about marrying Jamie to possibvly be more than just light relief... :D

[Expendable]

Re: Layla.

I definitely think some kind of time-shift will happen. The possibility of her cming back as a proper adult, could be interesting. It would also lead that remark about marrying Jamie to possibvly be more than just light relief... :D

Oh ya it does make good comedy. And in the chance an older Layla comes you gotta keep "lil deus" she is way too popular now too just grow her up.

[Don't pee in the (Dead)pool]

First post here and I wanted too see what everyone sees happening to X-Factor after MC.

X-Factor is currently my favorite title in Marvel. I was a huge fan of PAD original run on the title years ago. Infact learning that PAD started up a new X-Factor title is what got me back on comics after a 12 year hiatus.

My thoughts on the X-Factor crew:

I think there were will be 2 Layla's after MC. Some how some way she comes back in a older form and there will still be young Layla. I dunno maybe I've read too many comics in my life but this seems plausable too happen. Plus there is the whole Madrox Miller marriage thing that has been brought up a lot of times and it seems that it has too happen. Plus you have the whole Rahne killing them on their honeymoon.

Which brings me too that. I think Rahne leaves X-Factor with the sudden apperance of older Layla. She has yet too this day tell anyone about the vision she received from elder tryp and I believe in the hype up for the X-Factor it makes mention too why Rahne is leaving and can't tell the other members. Or it could be due too her maybe killing someone and getting that taste I dunno.

I don't believe Rictor is gonna die. I think he might leave the team to help teach at the school cause something happens and he becomes close to some of the new x-men. But that's assuming that new x-men survive the cut(meaning we get new issues after mc another story for another day.)

Monet. Does anyone else miss Monet so far in MC? I don't understand how she's one of the big hitters and has been on the bench this whole time. Anyways I think she's the pregneant one. And it will become known she gives birth too Bishops mother or father(making Madrox Bishops grandpa that makes for interesting stories.) With that being said I believe Bishop will join X-Factor(along with Deadpool. A man can dream can't he?)

Just some thoughts. One question anyone know how long PAD is staying on X-Factor? Don't know if I can read it without him.

I'd be happy if Deadpool joined X-Factor, Peter David could put some really funny dialogue on the page for him. However, I'd prefer to see ol' Wade in X-Force; could you imagine how much fun it would be between Wolverine and Deadpool considering their past and total lack of respect for each other? The possibilities are endless!!!

[Pach!]

I hope Hellion joins X-factor. I could totally see it. Layla still in the future. Need a replacement, meanwhile school is done and Hellion doesn't want to go back to his parents so they disown him and he has to get a job. He becomes the receptionist at Madrox Invetigations. Monet treats him like a piece of meat. It would be awesome.

[Fatguy]

Future X-Factor roster!

Havok
Polaris
Wolfsbane
Quicksilver
Multiple Man
Strong Guy

Working under Val Cooper!

[Expendable]

I hope Hellion joins X-factor. I could totally see it. Layla still in the future. Need a replacement, meanwhile school is done and Hellion doesn't want to go back to his parents so they disown him and he has to get a job. He becomes the receptionist at Madrox Invetigations. Monet treats him like a piece of meat. It would be awesome.

I see the possibilities there. When the baby is born they make him the nanny. Or he is always begging for some action cause he doesn't realize that being an investigator is about waiting not getting your hands dirty. I smell spin off!

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm praying for Shortpack to appear. if Rahne's leaving, maybe he can convert to presbyterian and be the church-goer of the group.

[Expendable]

Future X-Factor roster!

Havok
Polaris
Wolfsbane
Quicksilver
Multiple Man
Strong Guy

Working under Val Cooper!

Days of our futures past? I miss the old team too. But I don't think the old team could be viable in todays version of X-Factor.

Good news is a buddy of mine told me they are making a X-Factor movie with that line up. Hope PAD has something to do with that film

[Fatguy]

Days of our futures past? I miss the old team too. But I don't think the old team could be viable in todays version of X-Factor.

Good news is a buddy of mine told me they are making a X-Factor movie with that line up. Hope PAD has something to do with that film

That was the best X-Factor team ever. Sorry Brian M, even better than the 05 X-Factor!

[UltraNegro]

uh...Hellion is going to die...today's x-factor said an x-man will fall next week in new x-men. Logically it will be either hellion, hepzibah, or caliban. No other big time x-men could die half-way through, so its one of those three. And since there was a preview image of a relieved beast and a crying mercury, and coincidentally, elixir is so conveniently out of the picture, hellion will die. The issue is new x-men after all, so it makes it makes sense for him to die in his own comic, too.

[worstblogever]

uh...Hellion is going to die...today's x-factor said an x-man will fall next week in new x-men. Logically it will be either hellion, hepzibah, or caliban. No other big time x-men could die half-way through, so its one of those three. And since there was a preview image of a relieved beast and a crying mercury, and coincidentally, elixir is so conveniently out of the picture, hellion will die. The issue is new x-men after all, so it makes it makes sense for him to die in his own comic, too.

Blindfold's prophecy had Julian badly injured, not dead. Same with Nightcrawler. There was a character she didn't name who was supposed to be the one to die.

[Expendable]

That was the best X-Factor team ever. Sorry Brian M, even better than the 05 X-Factor!

I cannot argue with that.

[Pach!]

It could also be hyperbole.

[CMBMOOL]

I could see the group cutting off their ties with the X-men, because it's their fault that the team is nearly broken apart. :(

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

How is that novelty?

[CMBMOOL]

How is that novelty?

To tell you the truth I have no explaination to explain myself. :(

[Faded]

Monet. Does anyone else miss Monet so far in MC? I don't understand how she's one of the big hitters and has been on the bench this whole time. Anyways I think she's the pregneant one. And it will become known she gives birth too Bishops mother or father(making Madrox Bishops grandpa that makes for interesting stories.) With that being said I believe Bishop will join X-Factor(along with Deadpool. A man can dream can't he?)

YES I MISS HER. :(

I hope she's not pregnant though, especially not involving Bishop or anything convoluted like that. I'm so grateful PAD is using her, especially at the extent that he has.

According to previews, our girl should be appearing in the next chapter of Messiah Complex! Yeauh!

Just some thoughts. One question anyone know how long PAD is staying on X-Factor? Don't know if I can read it without him.

Forever?

Re: Layla.

I definitely think some kind of time-shift will happen. The possibility of her cming back as a proper adult, could be interesting. It would also lead that remark about marrying Jamie to possibvly be more than just light relief... :D

I was hoping with all the killing of time-travelers, they were going to put an end to that concept. I hope they start limiting that stuff to Exiles.

I hope Hellion joins X-factor. I could totally see it. Layla still in the future. Need a replacement, meanwhile school is done and Hellion doesn't want to go back to his parents so they disown him and he has to get a job. He becomes the receptionist at Madrox Invetigations. Monet treats him like a piece of meat. It would be awesome.

I've been wanting it since you first mentioned it!

Future X-Factor roster!

Havok
Polaris
Wolfsbane
Quicksilver
Multiple Man
Strong Guy

Working under Val Cooper!

NEW X-Factor!

Multiple Man
Rictor
Monet
Siryn
Anole
Hellion

So it has been assigned.

[frog]

YES I MISS HER. :(

I hope she's not pregnant though, especially not involving Bishop or anything convoluted like that. I'm so grateful PAD is using her, especially at the extent that he has.

According to previews, our girl should be appearing in the next chapter of Messiah Complex! Yeauh!



Forever?



I was hoping with all the killing of time-travelers, they were going to put an end to that concept. I hope they start limiting that stuff to Exiles.



I've been wanting it since you first mentioned it!



NEW X-Factor!

Multiple Man
Rictor
Monet
Siryn
Anole
Hellion

So it has been assigned.

I don't know, Faded, I suspect at least one of those characters isn't going to make it.

[Fatguy]

NEW X-Factor!

Multiple Man
Rictor
Monet
Siryn
Anole
Hellion

So it has been assigned.

Its hard to argue that...

In fact, I'll go for any roster as long as it contains Madrox, Monet, and Siryn. They are musts!

[Faded]

I don't know, Faded, I suspect at least one of those characters isn't going to make it.

Madrox-dupe? :(

Death can have one.

[frog]

Madrox-dupe? :(

Death can have one.

Or Rictor or Hellion.

[DeniseXfrost]

I could see the group cutting off their ties with the X-men, because it's their fault that the team is nearly broken apart. :(
Didn't they already?

[CyberHubbs]

uh...Hellion is going to die...today's x-factor said an x-man will fall next week in new x-men. Logically it will be either hellion, hepzibah, or caliban. No other big time x-men could die half-way through, so its one of those three. And since there was a preview image of a relieved beast and a crying mercury, and coincidentally, elixir is so conveniently out of the picture, hellion will die. The issue is new x-men after all, so it makes it makes sense for him to die in his own comic, too.

They're not going to have Hellion die on an operating table. That'd just be silly and anti-climatic.

[RoguishGurl]

They're not going to have Hellion die on an operating table. That'd just be silly and anti-climatic.

Unless he was professing his love to Laura. then I would probably cry.

[CyberHubbs]

Unless he was professing his love to Laura. then I would probably cry.

Laura would tell him to stop being a little b-word and take his death like a man.

That would definitely make his death worthwhile.

[creaky]

Blindfold's prophecy had Julian badly injured, not dead. Same with Nightcrawler. There was a character she didn't name who was supposed to be the one to die.

Actually, she just said "someone else is going to get hurt".
I guess, come to think of it, we have no real guarantees that none of the ones on her injure list will be the one to die. "Everything tends towards death. Will get better, before it gets much, much worse".

[Pach!]

I don't think it's anyone at the mansion.

We've already seen someone leaving in a stretcher from a snowy place in the X-men issue. And if you look at Emma, Monet and Siryn they are all bummed out. I'm thinking it' the same person that dies next issue. It wouldn't make sense for any of the New X-men to be in Alaska I guess?

[frog]

I don't think it's anyone at the mansion.

We've already seen someone leaving in a stretcher from a snowy place in the X-men issue. And if you look at Emma, Monet and Siryn they are all bummed out. I'm thinking it' the same person that dies next issue. It wouldn't make sense for any of the New X-men to be in Alaska I guess?

Could it be Madrox or Forge being transferred to the X-Men infirmary? Where is Forge's base located at?

[Pach!]

Could it be Madrox or Forge being transferred to the X-Men infirmary? Where is Forge's base located at?

Dallas,Texas.

[Novaya Havoc]

I don't think it's anyone at the mansion.

We've already seen someone leaving in a stretcher from a snowy place in the X-men issue. And if you look at Emma, Monet and Siryn they are all bummed out. I'm thinking it' the same person that dies next issue. It wouldn't make sense for any of the New X-men to be in Alaska I guess?

Monet appears?! WHERE?!?

[frog]

Dallas,Texas.
Well, it shouldn't be that then. However, Siryn and Monet are there when the person is being moved and we also see Siryn praying over Madrox with Forge on a bed in the background.

[frog]

Monet appears?! WHERE?!?

Here (http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.1991.A_Traitor_Revealed_In_Messiah_Co mpleX_Pts_9-10)in preview art.

[Pach!]

Monet appears?! WHERE?!?

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/marvel/NXMN045_6.jpg
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1991new_storyimage6882909_full.jpg

[Expendable]

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/images/previews/marvel/NXMN045_6.jpg
http://www.marvel.com/i/content/st/1991new_storyimage6882909_full.jpg

First time I seen those thanks for posting those.

I was reading on a forum once and it was some guy going on about how come wolverine doesn't call in the Avengers to help with the MC crossover. And I thought too myself why even bother? When you still have some of your big guns still on the sidelines doing nothing. Like Monet or Iceman. I just thought that was a dumb idea too call in the Avengers. But then again never been an Avengers fan.

[just another user]

Is Darwin meant to be heading for X Factor?

With Layla PAD has already taken a character fans weren't totally taken with and made her awesome, so the same thinking could apply here as nobody else seems to know what to do with him?

[booga]

thats bachalo right?

[frog]

thats bachalo right? No, I think that's Ramos. Bachalo usually does the X-Men and Ramos is on New X-Men for now.

[just another user]

No, I think that's Ramos. Bachalo usually does the X-Men and Ramos is on New X-Men for now.

Oh, I thought it was Bachalo too. I can usually tell Ramos by the chins shaped like a V

[booga]

the faces dont look too ramos like

[frog]

I can't absolutely swear it is Ramos because Marvel didn't identify the art. However, it seems to be from the next issue which is New X-Men.

[frog]

Okay. Popcultureshock says this art is either from Uncanny or X-Men so it must be Bachalo. Sorry!

[just another user]

Okay. Popcultureshock says this art is either from Uncanny or X-Men so it must be Bachalo. Sorry!

Cool. And looking at it again, that snow was a bit of a giveaway. he always draws his snow like that!

[Pach!]

The first one is from next week's new X-men and is Ramos.

The second one is from the following weeks X-men and is Bachalo.