Why hasn't Apacolypse taken advantage of the endangered species situation?

[ProfeZZor X]

This can play out on so many levels, but seeing that he takes pride in genetic modification to his fellow mutants for his own evil purposes, it seems only logical that he steps out of the shadows and plays a part in all this on a larger scale.

His theory on survival of the fittest has been exactly that, and it looks like he's on the short end of the stick with the rest of the mutants left. He and Sinister have worked together in the past, so I'm just as surprised to see that together, they haven't worked together on a contingency plan years ago. Or at the very least, share what information they have on genetics with the rest of the scientific mutant community.

There are so many ways for him to take advantage of this situation, it's almost a crime not to.

[Brian M.]

Blood of Apocalypse...

[Pro]

It's hardly survival of the fittest if you have to modify everyone first.
That's kinda like having a running contest where everyone rides a car.

[rwe1138]

He ain't on Earth right now.

[Beast]

Blood of Apocalypse...
What he said.

I'm really glad the X-Office didn't bring him back to the table for Endangered Species or Messiah Complex. Especially after the trainwreck that was Blood of Apocalypse. Hopefully the next time he comes back, someone will have a better idea for him. I am curious to know what the Celestials want from him, but I agree with the wisdom to leave him in limbo for now. At least until everyone forgets about BoA.

[Canemacar]

Blood of Apocalypse...

thread over

[ProfeZZor X]

What he said.

I'm really glad the X-Office didn't bring him back to the table for Endangered Species or Messiah Complex. Especially after the trainwreck that was Blood of Apocalypse. Hopefully the next time he comes back, someone will have a better idea for him. I am curious to know what the Celestials want from him, but I agree with the wisdom to leave him in limbo for now. At least until everyone forgets about BoA.

Well if that's the case, then what could possibly be a valid reason for bringing him back from where he is then? It would have to be an event much larger than the one Marvel is putting out now, with Endangered Species... I'm just affraid that his return will be reserved for some "simpleton" plotline that involves the endangerment of the universe... again.

[Brian M.]

Well if that's the case, then what could possibly be a valid reason for bringing him back from where he is then? It would have to be an event much larger than the one Marvel is putting out now, with Endangered Species... I'm just affraid that his return will be reserved for some "simpleton" plotline that involves the endangerment of the universe... again.

Read Blood of Apoc...it's explained there and his return is already set up. Why make a thread when this could be answered in the question thread?

[Omega Alpha]

What he said.

I'm really glad the X-Office didn't bring him back to the table for Endangered Species or Messiah Complex. Especially after the trainwreck that was Blood of Apocalypse. Hopefully the next time he comes back, someone will have a better idea for him. I am curious to know what the Celestials want from him, but I agree with the wisdom to leave him in limbo for now. At least until everyone forgets about BoA.

Or wait until Kurt Busiek's exclusive with DC is over, hire him, and then order him to write Apocalypse. Problem solved.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

There's no one better in the field of genetics on earth than Sinister so it's only right Apocalypse sit this out after returning after House of M.

[Brian M.]

There's no one better in the field of genetics on earth than Sinister so it's only right Apocalypse sit this out after returning after House of M.

Yet...Apoc created Sinister...

[Beast]

Yet...Apoc created Sinister...
Yeah, but Apoc's just using Celestial Technology. Sinister's work is his own. ;)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Yet...Apoc created Sinister...

That's cool and everything but Sinister has been punking out Apocalypse for over a 100 years now. Not to mention he's far ahead on genetic evolution than Apocalypse or anyone else. That's why a story like Messiah Complex works perfectly with him as the centerpiece.

[Matthew K.]

you have it wrong Erik...Apocalypse is a JOKE

[Nyssane]

The only good thing that came from Apocalypse was the mighty bowl-cut of WAR!!!

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[Jake V]

He's a shit character and none of the writers want to bother using him.

[Karl H]

He's a shit character and none of the writers want to bother using him.

As ever, Jake is succinct and correct.

Lets see him back in like 5 years time in some kind of 'event' involving the Celestials, the Eternals and a load of other Kirby-esque stuff bringing the whole MU into it.

[Mikl C]

Apac's life!
Everybody talk about apac's life!
Whadda know whaddaya knowww!!??

[MartinRedmond]

Why not? They're doing the exact same event every year for the past 4 years. Might as well use the same bad guys.

[jarrod]

He's a shit character and none of the writers want to bother using him.
I blame the Simonsons. They were like Lobdell before there was Lobdell.

[Nyssane]

I blame the Simonsons. They were like Lobdell before there was Lobdell.

Yeah, okay. The Simonsons had Apocalypse perfect as the dark, enigmatic leader who stayed in the background (ala Sinister). Blame the writers AFTERWARDS for continuing to use him and making him lamer with each subsequent appearance.

[Dagger]

Yeah, okay. The Simonsons had Apocalypse perfect as the dark, enigmatic leader who stayed in the background (ala Sinister). Blame the writers AFTERWARDS for continuing to use him and making him lamer with each subsequent appearance.
Yeah, I used to love Apocalypse, but the bad stories he's appeared in were rough. The final straw for me was his handling in The Twelve and Blood of Apocalypse. I guess he's just one of those characters that only certain writers get.

And while I love the idea of the Horsemen, quit using X-Men as members. Do it originally, or bring back the Dark Riders.

[jarrod]

Yeah, okay. The Simonsons had Apocalypse perfect as the dark, enigmatic leader who stayed in the background (ala Sinister). Blame the writers AFTERWARDS for continuing to use him and making him lamer with each subsequent appearance.
Phat lips with the big belt A had to come from somewhere... really both Sinister and Poccy were conceptually lifeless/dumb concepts then though, bascially the 1980s equivalents of something like Romulus. It's really only later than any sort of deeper character interest and psychology was developed for them (and mostly by Peter Milligan coincidentally).

[Nyssane]

And while I love the idea of the Horsemen, quit using X-Men as members. Do it originally, or bring back the Dark Riders.

The original Horsemen were EXCELLENT as a team, they really were Apocalypse's version of the X-Men, and they were fleshed out well enough to be great characters, but all the writers seem to not care about them anymore and would rather use POLARIS or SUNFIRE as Horsemen. USING GAZER BEFORE FAMINE? WTF? I understand having to replace Pestilence after she died, and Caliban made a decent fit, but all the Horsemen after that were just ridiculous.

And yes, the Dark Riders need to come back. I was so excited when I heard they were going to appear in Cable & Deadpool, but Fabey told me they were just going to be generic faceless characters. :( My heart broke that very day.

[Nyssane]

Phat lips with the big belt A had to come from somewhere... really both Sinister and Poccy were conceptually lifeless/dumb concepts then though, bascially the 1980s equivalents of something like Romulus. It's really only later than any sort of deeper character interest and psychology was developed for them (and mostly by Peter Milligan coincidentally).

The whole mystique of Apocalypse is what makes him so fearsome. I think, if we didn't know all this AWFUL backstory that he's been given, and he was just a permanent presence in the stories (focusing on present rather than past), he'd be much more interesting and fans would like him much more than they do now. His comic book development has been too convulted to ever amount to an interesting villain.

[jarrod]

The whole mystique of Apocalypse is what makes him so fearsome. I think, if we didn't know all this AWFUL backstory that he's been given, and he was just a permanent presence in the stories (focusing on present rather than past), he'd be much more interesting and fans would like him much more than they do now. His comic book development has been too convulted to ever amount to an interesting villain.
Mystery in itself isn't really a sustainable character angle (unless we play the amnesia/false memory card a la Wolverine)... any character will need to be fleshed out eventually, and frankly I've always found Apocalypse and Sinister to be a bit ridiculous from their introductions, and only made tolerable thanks to their later backstories... but at least Sinister's cliche visual had a narrative reasoning behind it originally. Poccy was just stupid from the ground up.

[Dagger]

I kinda like the whole idea that his immense energies burns out his body, and that he must either go into a deep 'odin-sleep' to rejuvinate his body, or he has to switch bodies to find a body more fit to contain his essence.

The original Horsemen were probably his greatest creations, I loved everything about them. In one issue, you really felt for characters like Famine, who came from a messed up family, and had real life troubles like anorexia. I was sad when the original Plague died, but did enjoy when Caliban was made into a hellhound. It really expanded on a character, and set me into a believable direction given what had happened to him. I really, really loved the Dark Riders. Especially the second incarnation.

[Beast]

Mystery in itself isn't really a sustainable character angle (unless we play the amnesia/false memory card a la Wolverine)... any character will need to be fleshed out eventually, and frankly I've always found Apocalypse and Sinister to be a bit ridiculous from their introductions, and only made tolerable thanks to their later backstories... but at least Sinister's cliche visual had a narrative reasoning behind it originally. Poccy was just stupid from the ground up.
As you noted, it worked for Wolverine. Until they beat the dead horse of trying to reveal his Origins.

Frankly Apocalypse and Sinister became more ridiculous the more they were deconstructed.

[Canemacar]

Frankly Apocalypse and Sinister became more ridiculous the more they were deconstructed.

Apocalypse has, but I think Sinister has done well with the backstory given to him. It brings out a lot of story opportunities and builds some intriguing nuances into the character himself.

[jarrod]

As you noted, it worked for Wolverine. Until they beat the dead horse of trying to reveal his Origins.
Totally agreed. It should've stopped at Origin, all Way's doing is hopelessly beating a dead corpse... and not doing a passable job of it even.


Frankly Apocalypse and Sinister became more ridiculous the more they were deconstructed.
I dunno, you can't deconstruct nothing. ;)

I actually quite like Sinister's origin actually, though I think I'd have been okay with Claremont's intended origin too (which would've worked out better for Gambit too imo). I liked the more sci-fi Apocalypse origin too, bringing in the FF was a nice touch.... if anything made either character more ridiculous is was their inept handling in-contunity for most of the 1990s, not their backstories and added histories.

The only in-continuity Poccy story I've ever really liked wholesale was the Claremont/Portacio story near the O5 X-Factor's close, and that probably had more to do with other factors versus the big A himself. :/

[ProfeZZor X]

As you noted, it worked for Wolverine. Until they beat the dead horse of trying to reveal his Origins.

Frankly Apocalypse and Sinister became more ridiculous the more they were deconstructed.

I agree. But with Sinister, he's been in the shadows more than Apocalypse, so he hasn't been as "publicized". Which is perfect, because it gives Mike Carey the opportunity to flesh out his character the way he should be.

[Nyssane]

The original Horsemen were probably his greatest creations, I loved everything about them. In one issue, you really felt for characters like Famine, who came from a messed up family, and had real life troubles like anorexia. I was sad when the original Plague died, but did enjoy when Caliban was made into a hellhound. It really expanded on a character, and set me into a believable direction given what had happened to him. I really, really loved the Dark Riders. Especially the second incarnation.

Definitely, I loved the second Dark Riders. They were far better than the first.

Famine was really interesting and my favorite Horseman. She was kind of a bitch, though... but chalk it up to her being really young. And her father constantly threatened her what would happen if others found out she was a mutant... it was sad. :(

War had a sadder past, though. Spending the rest of his life in an iron lung? It's not surprising he'd take Apocalypse's offer at all, and he made great points about how the government wastes money with monuments and celebrations of the war while other people were wounded and need the money more than some stupid statues. I will forever love Wolverine #147 because of him and Archangel. Those two are so OTP.

[MartinRedmond]

What are you talking about? Comics were devoid of social commentary until 2001. Everyone knows that. Now comics are all about like now, and like social commentary like you wouldn't believe about... stuff and crap.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Sinister is one of the best winners in the X-verse. There's nothing ridiculous about him unless you hate seeing brilliant geneticists win in the end.

[Magneto_X]

I'd love for Apocalypse to be major player again.

He's got incredible potential as a villain, but he's been a joke for years. :(

[steve2275]

Lets see him back in like 5 years time in some kind of 'event' involving the Celestials, the Eternals and a load of other Kirby-esque stuff bringing the whole MU into it.
i willagree with that

[Slung]

What are you talking about? Comics were devoid of social commentary until 2001. Everyone knows that. Now comics are all about like now, and like social commentary like you wouldn't believe about... stuff and crap.

And the world was black and white until the 1950's - and then it was just a grainy color for quite a few years. Fortunately the world is now in hi-def and we can enjoy life.

[Matthew K.]

Apocalypse is too busy fingering himself at the amusement of the Celestials.

[CE_Rap]

Lets see him back in like 5 years time in some kind of 'event' involving the Celestials, the Eternals and a load of other Kirby-esque stuff bringing the whole MU into it.

Exactly. The same way Sinister was non-existent for most of the 21st century until now, so should Apoc not be back until 2012!! He should come back with celestial power, and he should look different---or at least have a new power suit...