New X-Force (Spoilers)

[MakeshiftHero]

Over at IGN there have been released pictures of a new X-Force team that comes together after the M.C. event. The art looks very good so far, probably cover art. It also looks like it might have confirmed who will be leaving the X-Factor book.

Here's the link. I'd post pictures but I have bad luck trying to get them to work.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/819/819030p1.html

[Novaya Havoc]

Welcome to three days ago.

... I wouldn't be so catty if I didn't hate X-Force THIIIIIS much.

[AnthonyJ]

No idea which one you're thinking of. The four are (right to left) X-23, Wolverine, Warpath, and Wolfsbane.

[Sentinel K]

Over at IGN there have been released pictures of a new X-Force team that comes together after the M.C. event. The art looks very good so far, probably cover art. It also looks like it might have confirmed who will be leaving the X-Factor book.

Here's the link. I'd post pictures but I have bad luck trying to get them to work.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/819/819030p1.html

Welcome to 2 days ago.

Edit: Snap Novaya! Almost.

[MakeshiftHero]

Yeah I just noticed that it was Wolfsbane the black threw me off. I guess I must have missed the first thread cause I havent been on the forums as often as I usualy am.

Feel free to delete this I guess if it's old news.

[HellFrost]

Why all the X-Force hate. I love all the characters in the book... I'm excited.

[Affinity]

Lolol X-23 is all ANA4U on that action shot! Hip bones are soooo gross.

[HellFrost]

Lolol X-23 is all ANA4U on that action shot! Hip bones are soooo gross.

Lol. I think she looks amazing. I'm a little sad she's leaving NX... But I love the new character design. The outfits are so sleak and sexy.

[jester1436]

More like "Eww X-Force."

*rimshot*

[DaeJi]

Why all the X-Force hate. I love all the characters in the book... I'm excited.

It's funny, because I like the characters in that book too, which is why I hate it. X-23 was all but unreadable until she got into New X-Men, Wolfsbane is part of the magic that is X-Factor, and Warpath and Wolverine... actually, I don't mind them being there. But I HATE having X-23 and Wolfsbane on that team, as they are sooooooooooooooo good where they are at now.

[Affinity]

Lol. I think she looks amazing. I'm a little sad she's leaving NX... But I love the new character design. The outfits are so sleak and sexy.

No, I mean, she DOES look good (since Clayton Crain is really awesome) but she's really thin and those hip bones are deadly.

[Faded]

No, I mean, she DOES look good (since Clayton Crain is really awesome) but she's really thin and those hip bones are deadly.

LOL. The one thing her healing factor can't cure...

[Will.S]

The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

Plus we already have Wolverine Origins, Wolverine ongoing, New Avengers and Astonishing which is Logan overload already. What they should have done is made Wolverine a two for one with both Origins and the ongoing, which then just leaves Astonishing and New Avengers all nice and neat. As for the other characters, given how radical the Avengers books have become in lineup this shouldn't be too much of a shock if they're going with the same formula with the X-Men.

Not saying it's good or anything but it's been proven to work with the right Visionary or overall editorial direction.

[Alex A Sanchez]

The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

Plus we already have Wolverine Origins, Wolverine ongoing, New Avengers and Astonishing which is Logan overload already. What they should have done is made Wolverine a two for one with both Origins and the ongoing, which then just leaves Astonishing and New Avengers all nice and neat. As for the other characters, given how radical the Avengers books have become in lineup this shouldn't be too much of a shock if they're going with the same formula with the X-Men.

Not saying it's good or anything but it's been proven to work with the right Visionary or overall editorial direction.

Believe me, I hate Wolverine, and even I think he looks right at home with this line up. This was the type of team he was meant to be with- I think it looks awesome.

[Fatguy]

Hopefully they will give Wolverine the leadership role. At least that will show him in a different capacity than the other books he's in.

[creaky]

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

A century or so of experience? At least in theory.

[AnthonyJ]

The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.
Why is having Wolverine there any more of a problem than any of the other characters with totally redundant powers? I have no idea what the mission statement is, but this seems to be 'team feral', which is a pretty dumb concept for a team, since all the characters have similar strengths and weaknesses, and the point of a team is making up for one another's weaknesses.

[Will.S]

A century or so of experience? At least in theory.If they capitalize on that then that's fine but James could alternatively do the leading duties as well or at least have someone else who can lead and can still remain a mutant.

[Omega Alpha]

If they capitalize on that then that's fine but James could alternatively do the leading duties as well or at least have someone else who can lead and can still remain a mutant.

And when did Warpath has ever shown leadership skills? Not that Logan is Cap. America or Cyclops, but, while having all those characters with similar powers is redundant, he's without a doubt the most useful one among them. The problem is not that he's here, but that he's in AXM, where he doesn't belong.

[sephirothskiller]

Why is having Wolverine there any more of a problem than any of the other characters with totally redundant powers? I have no idea what the mission statement is, but this seems to be 'team feral', which is a pretty dumb concept for a team, since all the characters have similar strengths and weaknesses, and the point of a team is making up for one another's weaknesses.

I disagree. Sometimes people need a group who is trained in the same basic things. Like a fleet of tanks or calvary. An engineering unit. Or something.

[Will.S]

And when did Warpath has ever shown leadership skills? Not that Logan is Cap. America or Cyclops, but, while having all those characters with similar powers is redundant, he's without a doubt the most useful one among them. The problem is not that he's here, but that he's in AXM, where he doesn't belong.
Warpath doesn't necessarily had to have shown to be a natural born leader to make it interesting, you can just thrust him into the role and see what happens. As for the uses in Astonishing and X-Force, it depends on how well Ellis uses him opposing the way he's used in X-Force.

Warren Ellis knows how to write a great Wolverine such as in Not Dead Yet but if he doesn't use him all that effectively in AXM then his presence on X-Force is justifiable.

[HellFrost]

Well, even though I think Warpath is a great leader, I like the idea of Logan leading the team.

I love the idea of same teams of people with the same abilities, and I think this will be a step in the right direction for all the characters. Although I still don't like James with Lady Hepzibah at all... I hope they put a stop to that asap.

I can't wait to see the outfits for Caliban and Lady Hepzibah. I hope they're as sexy sleak as the other four.

[caney]

More interaction between Wolverine and X-23 is one of the things I'm looking forward to from X-Force. I always loved the relationships Logan has had with the younger teammates like Kitty, Jubilee, and now Armor. With Laura being his clone, I wonder if he'll be able to form the same kind of bond with her, or if that will make things more difficult for him.

[HellFrost]

More interaction between Wolverine and X-23 is one of the things I'm looking forward to from X-Force. I always loved the relationships Logan has had with the younger teammates like Kitty, Jubilee, and now Armor. With Laura being his clone, I wonder if he'll be able to form the same kind of bond with her, or if that will make things more difficult for him.

Might be difficult for him since she royally kicked his butt. lol:D

I'm excited for the two of them to interact aswell.

[Michael P]

I give it 18 months.

[jarrod]

And when did Warpath has ever shown leadership skills?
Actually, in the Hellions.

[Novaya Havoc]

I give it 18 months.

I give it 12.

Or, wait, how long did Irredeemable Ant-Man go?

[Carencey]

I'm so sick of Wolverine and all the Wolverine clones and wannabes! Why put them all in the same book and call it X-Force?!? That's not X-Force.

[HellFrost]

I'm so sick of Wolverine and all the Wolverine clones and wannabes! Why put them all in the same book and call it X-Force?!? That's not X-Force.

I don't think any of those characters want to be Wolverine........... except Wolverine...

[sephirothskiller]

I give it 12.

Or, wait, how long did Irredeemable Ant-Man go?

Someone is forgetting about the incredible draw power of Wolverine!!

There's a reason Wolverine's in every book kiddies, and its not because marvel has a fetish for hairy Canadian men.

He sells.

[Omega Alpha]

I give it 18 months.

I give it 112 issues, then a renumbering that lasts another 50.

[HellFrost]

I hope it's good. Do we know who's writing yet? If not, I hope it turns out to be Christos Gage. He fixes everyones mistakes. Although I do feel bad that Laura won't be written by Kyle&Yost anymore if he does... They write her the best.

[Omega Alpha]

Although I do feel bad that Laura won't be written by Kyle&Yost anymore if he does... They write her the best.

Maybe because they are the only ones to write her?

[jester1436]

Maybe because they are the only ones to write her?

Claremont's X-23 in Fang drag?

[HellFrost]

Maybe because they are the only ones to write her?

Quesada, Faerber, Claremont. Claremont wrote her terribly... I hated him for that...

Kyle&Yost write her the best.

[HellFrost]

Claremont's X-23 in Fang drag?

That was a terrible costume that didn't fit her at all... why did he do that? He's completely Bat$#!% crazy!

[Omega Alpha]

Quesada, Faerber, Claremont. Claremont wrote her terribly... I hated him for that...

Kyle&Yost write her the best.

When did Joe Q ever wrote her? And Claremont only had her guest star on a few issues.

[HellFrost]

When did Joe Q ever wrote her? And Claremont only had her guest star on a few issues.

Quesada wrote NYX. He wrote her really good, but guest star or not Claremont still wrote her bad.:(

[Matthew K.]

inter.esting.


(may.be)

[CmX]

I wouldn't be surprised if C&C were the writers on this book. ;)

[Anna]

Rahne looks like Lobo Maximus on that cover.

[CmX]

Rahne looks like Lobo Maximus on that cover.

Anna, why are you such a bitch?

[CJ Lentze]

I'm wondering what's up with the red eyes, and what role this X-Force is going to play. An all hunter-tracker team, what does that imply? What will they be hunting? Who will they answer to, who's in charge of them?

Also feels weird to think about the fallout of an storyline I haven't even read yet.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'm wondering what's up with the red eyes, and what role this X-Force is going to play. An all hunter-tracker team, what does that imply? What will they be hunting? Who will they answer to, who's in charge of them?

Also feels weird to think about the fallout of an storyline I haven't even read yet.

I know what you mean. It's really hard to peg when you don't know what's coming.

Plus if Wolvie's here is still going to be on New Avengers? It doesn't clash too badly on Astonishing, but with a different look, on a new title?

[Anna]

Anna, why are you such a bitch?

Dammit, look at her!

[jarrod]

That was a terrible costume that didn't fit her at all... why did he do that? He's completely Bat$#!% crazy!
It was Davis, he liked the costume.

Also should probably be pointed out that Claremont had *no* character background to go on barring an issue or two of NYX when he was forced to bring in X-23. His version obviously doesn't jive with the Laura we have now, but it also predates her.

[worstblogever]

I said it before and I'll say it again...

TEAM SCRATCH & SNIFF!

Just don't ask what they smell like.

[Pro]

Anna, why are you such a bitch?

Look at her, she's a pitt bull in a gimp suit. It's a not pretty in any way, shape or fashion.

[jmc247]

All the series needs now is Rob Liefeld and it will be jack.

[Brickbatstone]

i have mixed feelings about this. im a big x-force and wolverine fan. i hope this is the only team that wolverine shows up in. im disappointed that they have so many feral mutants in one team though. i wish they would have either logan, rahne or x-23 on this team, not all of them together. we'll so how well or bad this book does. i remember when exiles was announced, a lot of fans predicted the series to end before issue #25

[DDM]

It appears on the surface that Marvel is just using X-Force so they don't lose the copyright. Yet, Wolverine is in an X-book. I'm shocked. :rolleyes:

I doubt I'll be buying this series. It does not appear to be well thought out between the writers & editors.

[DDM]

The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

Plus we already have Wolverine Origins, Wolverine ongoing, New Avengers and Astonishing which is Logan overload already. What they should have done is made Wolverine a two for one with both Origins and the ongoing, which then just leaves Astonishing and New Avengers all nice and neat. As for the other characters, given how radical the Avengers books have become in lineup this shouldn't be too much of a shock if they're going with the same formula with the X-Men.

Not saying it's good or anything but it's been proven to work with the right Visionary or overall editorial direction.

You have nailed why I believe X-Force is a redundant book.

I'm a bit puzzled why they have Wolverine, X-23, & Warpath who all have essentially similar powers. Wolfsbane can also track using her enhanced senses too.

Given the characters listed, it does not bode well for the team's identity...

[sephirothskiller]

I love the HUGE amount of judgement going out on this book already when all we have is some pictures and allusions.

It looks like a different sort of book, and like the awesome X-Factor, it looks like it has a theme, I'll definately read the first issue to see if its any good.

[CmX]

. It does not appear to be well thought out between the writers & editors.
You say this about a book that hasn't even debuted yet, yet you read New Excalibur religiously? Okay!

[DDM]

I love the HUGE amount of judgement going out on this book already when all we have is some pictures and allusions.

It looks like a different sort of book, and like the awesome X-Factor, it looks like it has a theme, I'll definately read the first issue to see if its any good.

Why are four mutant trackers doing on one team? X-23 & Wolverine possess exactly the same mutant powers; whereas, Warpath & Wolfsbane also share similar powers.

[DDM]

You say this about a book that hasn't even debuted yet, yet you read New Excalibur religiously? Okay!

Since when has Captain Britain had Dazzler's powers?

[CmX]

Just like CC, the CC-posters fail to make sense on ocassion lol

[CJ Lentze]

Why are four mutant trackers doing on one team? X-23 & Wolverine possess exactly the same mutant powers; whereas, Warpath & Wolfsbane also share similar powers.

Maybe that's what their theme's going to be. A team of mutant trackers or hunters. I'll say it again, you've seen the red eyes. The creepy uniforms. It's too early to say that this is the definite line-up for the team, but if more characters are added, they'll likely be trackers. Which side will this team be on? Will it be part of the Initiative? Will it be a brainwashed group, under control of a super villain? It's too early to know. That's why people speculate.

[Jennifer de Vries]

People (well, two or three people anyway :P) keep saying they all have similar powers. Does that mean Brubaker completely downgrading Warpath has managed to stick? Maybe I'm too oldskool, but as far as I'm concerned he still has vast superhuman strength and the ability to fly. :p *denial*

[CJ Lentze]

People (well, two or three people anyway :P) keep saying they all have similar powers. Does that mean Brubaker completely downgrading Warpath has managed to stick? Maybe I'm too oldskool, but as far as I'm concerned he still has vast superhuman strength and the ability to fly. :p *denial*

Yeah, I'm afraid Warpath's power of flight has been retconned away or simply forgotten about. :rolleyes:

And while every mutant who's involved in this has tracking abilities, each has a unique power of their own beside that AND quite different personalities, so I'm not too afraid of this X-Force team not being diverse enough. :)

[rwsmith]

Believe me, I hate Wolverine, and even I think he looks right at home with this line up. This was the type of team he was meant to be with- I think it looks awesome.

Agreed. Take him off of Astonishing and have him lead this team.

[Porcelain]

My fickle nature (and Yost's evasion of the question having me convinced he's doing it) has declared this book too silly to not have a really good reason for being.




I can hope right?




The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

Plus we already have Wolverine Origins, Wolverine ongoing, New Avengers and Astonishing which is Logan overload already. What they should have done is made Wolverine a two for one with both Origins and the ongoing, which then just leaves Astonishing and New Avengers all nice and neat. As for the other characters, given how radical the Avengers books have become in lineup this shouldn't be too much of a shock if they're going with the same formula with the X-Men.

Not saying it's good or anything but it's been proven to work with the right Visionary or overall editorial direction.
Do we know he's staying on Astonishing?
Might be difficult for him since she royally kicked his butt. lol:D

I'm excited for the two of them to interact aswell.
Going from the last tid-bit we had (him getting Laura back) should be good - he's usually paired with the innocents, X-23 could compliment him well in a slightly different way from a character perspective.

[streator]

Maybe that's what their theme's going to be. A team of mutant trackers or hunters.

bingo.

this is all somehow quesada's fault, though. at least to some.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Way too many questions about Cable, Wolverine, and X-Force. Not anything we didn't know 3 days ago.

[Alex A Sanchez]

I disagree. Sometimes people need a group who is trained in the same basic things. Like a fleet of tanks or calvary. An engineering unit. Or something.

Exactly. And a team with these characters is most appropriate for the name X-FORCE.

I'm wondering what's up with the red eyes

I'm thinking that the characters are drastically changed after Messiah complex. Maybe they become quasi evil, or they live on an alternate planet. Maybe they have some mission, like to track down 14 aliens across the planet before they destroy life as we know it.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the team will have a goal of tracking somebody or something down. I think it will be sweet.

[DDM]

Maybe that's what their theme's going to be. A team of mutant trackers or hunters. I'll say it again, you've seen the red eyes. The creepy uniforms. It's too early to say that this is the definite line-up for the team, but if more characters are added, they'll likely be trackers. Which side will this team be on? Will it be part of the Initiative? Will it be a brainwashed group, under control of a super villain? It's too early to know. That's why people speculate.

Maybe the all new, all different X-Force is really The Lupine Avengers? :evilsmile

Remember, when the new X-Men team formed, Thunderbird was killed because his powers were too similar to Wolverine's. How is this new X-Force going to do with four mutant trackers on one team?

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Maybe that's what their theme's going to be. A team of mutant trackers or hunters. I'll say it again, you've seen the red eyes. The creepy uniforms. It's too early to say that this is the definite line-up for the team, but if more characters are added, they'll likely be trackers. Which side will this team be on? Will it be part of the Initiative? Will it be a brainwashed group, under control of a super villain? It's too early to know. That's why people speculate.
My guess is brainwashed and working for some covert government agency/terrorist group. At least, that's what I said when I first saw the preview images.

It's the whole masks with the glowing red eyes that makes me lean towards that. The uniforms kinda say, "let's scare the freakin' crap out of people", instead of "we're the good guys fighting for peaceful co-existence with the human race" ya know?

But then, the question would be, how were they captured? Who has the technology to control/brainwash them? Wasn't this the group that was advertised to go after the new mutant baby in Messiah CompleX, or was it not revealed? Or maybe they're the team that assembled to go rescue Rogue from the Marauders? Eh, all I know is that it was said to have been put together to search for something/someone... Perhaps something goes horribly wrong on that mission, and they all end up as prisoners?

The downside of this (and it'd be a pretty big one) is that if they were all under someone else's influence, their own personalities wouldn't shine through... They'd be in the book, yes, but only in body. (Unless it was some crazy "Enemy of the State" type brainwashing that was done on both Wolverine and Northstar, err... that was done by the Hand, right?)

I'm a bit curious, has it been said who'd be writing Wolverine after Guggenheim's (sp?) arc? The end of his arc sort of coincides with the beginning of X-Force... (February, right?) It's probably not going to be canceled, but I could see the title folding into this one and going on temporary hiatus.

Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if I was completely wrong about all this. :o

[Pach!]

I thought the red eyes were just something similar to night vision goggles.

[Will.S]

Yeah, I'm afraid Warpath's power of flight has been retconned away or simply forgotten about. :rolleyes:
I remember Ed Brubaker commenting on this.

He said (and I'm paraphrasing this) that when he saw James flying that it looked a bit too weird for him so he reached a compromise of him being able to just leap for long distances Hulk style.

[Jake V]

Maybe the all new, all different X-Force is really The Lupine Avengers? :evilsmile

Remember, when the new X-Men team formed, Thunderbird was killed because his powers were too similar to Wolverine's. How is this new X-Force going to do with four mutant trackers on one team?

They'll probably track some things.

[Faded]

I thought the red eyes were just something similar to night vision goggles.

That's what I thought.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Don't think I've commented on it yet, but, good God, talk about one of the lamest teams ever.

Tanks only? Some of them without actual super-strength at that? Really?

[Faded]

Don't think I've commented on it yet, but, good God, talk about one of the lamest teams ever.

Tanks only? Some of them without actual super-strength at that? Really?

On the surface, I feel the same way.

But with them all being so similar there's just gotta be a neat twist that brings this group together.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

But with them all being so similar there's just gotta be a neat twist that brings this group together.

A reason, sure. Neat or clever? Doubtful.

Cyke probably will have them track something during and then they'll go "OMG, we're the ROXOR, let's keep it up!!!!'. Cyke will only be too happy to finally shake Wolvie off of him and make him team leader just to keep him busy.

[Anna]

They're the black ops team, tracking Daken and Wildchild.

[Michael P]

It appears on the surface that Marvel is just using X-Force so they don't lose the copyright.

Trademark.

[CJ Lentze]

Maybe the all new, all different X-Force is really The Lupine Avengers? :evilsmile

Remember, when the new X-Men team formed, Thunderbird was killed because his powers were too similar to Wolverine's. How is this new X-Force going to do with four mutant trackers on one team?

If this is indeed a team of mutant trackers -and all clues point in that direction with a big, fat arrow- then (lack of) diversity in their power sets isn't an issue. They would combine their tracking skills to become better than they are on their own. We don't even know yet if this X-Force will be a mini or an ongoing series, so I guess Marvel's experimenting a little.

Maybe you're onto something with your 'Lupine Avengers', tho.


But then, the question would be, how were they captured? Who has the technology to control/brainwash them? Wasn't this the group that was advertised to go after the new mutant baby in Messiah CompleX, or was it not revealed? Or maybe they're the team that assembled to go rescue Rogue from the Marauders? Eh, all I know is that it was said to have been put together to search for something/someone... Perhaps something goes horribly wrong on that mission, and they all end up as prisoners?

The downside of this (and it'd be a pretty big one) is that if they were all under someone else's influence, their own personalities wouldn't shine through... They'd be in the book, yes, but only in body. (Unless it was some crazy "Enemy of the State" type brainwashing that was done on both Wolverine and Northstar, err... that was done by the Hand, right?)

This is all very probable.
If they DO get brainwashed, I doubt the writer will let them run around following orders like zombies. They could have an inner struggle with themselves. Also, these four characters would be difficult to brainwash because of their strong wills. It would take some rigorous mind-messing and hypnotising and intimidation to get them to work for a villain.

I think the story of how this X-Force is gathered should be interesting enough.

I remember Ed Brubaker commenting on this.

He said (and I'm paraphrasing this) that when he saw James flying that it looked a bit too weird for him so he reached a compromise of him being able to just leap for long distances Hulk style.

That's terrible. Honestly, there's a world of difference between leaping far and flying.

I thought the red eyes were just something similar to night vision goggles.

Could be. They're all wearing masks 'over' the red eyes, and the only picture that has Wolfsbane without a mask doesn't show her eyes to be red.

A reason, sure. Neat or clever? Doubtful.

Cyke probably will have them track something during and then they'll go "OMG, we're the ROXOR, let's keep it up!!!!'. Cyke will only be too happy to finally shake Wolvie off of him and make him team leader just to keep him busy.

Who says Cyclops will have any authority over this particular team? Sure, they say Cyclops wil unite the X-Men like never before, but that doesn't necessarily include all of them. Some X-Men may not be on his side anymore when Messiah Complex is done.

All 'tanks' on the team reminds me of when Carol Danvers suggested an Avengers team of only powerhouse heroes, and Tony told her 'it wouldn't work'. :p

[CJ Lentze]

Interesting to note that these four characters -Warpath, Wolverine, Wolfsbane, and X-23- all appeared in promotional art with Hepzibah and Caliban earlier. It's the picture where some people got their previous avatars from.

[Pro]

I thought the red eyes were just something similar to night vision goggles.

Remember the red goggles they all sported on extreme x-men. I'm guessing these are build-in goggles to exchange information. If they're a tracker team it would make sense they have some means to quickly pass information to and fro.

[steve2275]

Why are four mutant trackers doing on one team? X-23 & Wolverine possess exactly the same mutant powers; whereas, Warpath & Wolfsbane also share similar powers.:cool:
for hunting different subjects of course

[Big Red Spider]

The thing that irks me the most about this is having Wolverine there.

Don't get me wrong, I like Wolverine a great deal but you have X-23, Warpath, and Wolvesbane all amazing trackers and great at hand to hand with sharp objects aplenty. So what exactly does Wolverine add to this that makes him needed here?

Plus we already have Wolverine Origins, Wolverine ongoing, New Avengers and Astonishing which is Logan overload already. What they should have done is made Wolverine a two for one with both Origins and the ongoing, which then just leaves Astonishing and New Avengers all nice and neat. As for the other characters, given how radical the Avengers books have become in lineup this shouldn't be too much of a shock if they're going with the same formula with the X-Men.

Not saying it's good or anything but it's been proven to work with the right Visionary or overall editorial direction.


I've got it, how about wolverine three times a month.?

[Brian M.]

I gotta see if I can get some money off my Lupine Avengers idea.

[Beast]

Interesting to note that these four characters -Warpath, Wolverine, Wolfsbane, and X-23- all appeared in promotional art with Hepzibah and Caliban earlier. It's the picture where some people got their previous avatars from.
Yeah, it's this cover from Messiah Complex, X-Factor #26.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/nine/X-FACTOR026000Dcopy.jpg

[CJ Lentze]

^Thanks. Looks like that will be the starting point of this new X-Force. Wikipedia says Hepzibah and Caliban will be on the team, as well. Wonder why they weren't included in the preview art we've seen so far.

[Beast]

^Thanks. Looks like that will be the starting point of this new X-Force. Wikipedia says Hepzibah and Caliban will be on the team, as well. Wonder why they weren't included in the preview art we've seen so far.
Well, I wouldn't trust everything you read on Wikipedia.

But something spoilerish could happen to Hephzibah or Caliban. And Marvel didn't want to reveal it.

[HellFrost]

I was wondering, was Caliban ever stronger than Warpath? If so, is he still stronger than Warpath? I was just curious...

[Matthew K.]

So we're going with a "feral wolf badass IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE!" type team.


Shame Catseye's not around to enroll in X-Force. I'd rather have than Hephzibah as Rahne's team-mate.

[chickrockguitar]

So we're going with a "feral wolf badass IN YOUR FACE! IN YOUR FACE!" type team.In that case, where does Warpath fit in? lol! Is the big guy Warpath? Not sure...

[Beast]

In that case, where does Warpath fit in? lol! Is the big guy Warpath? Not sure...
Well, so far he's been Wolverine-lite in Brubaker's Uncanny with the knives. So it fits.

[chickrockguitar]

Well, so far he's been Wolverine-lite in Brubaker's Uncanny with the knives. So it fits.Ah right. Okay. I don't read Uncanny. Will do when MC hits tho.

[Asian Knight]

Sorry, I just sorta came back from a long hiatus. But is the picture of Cable just there because he was the original founder?

[_Jayme_]

Sorry, I just sorta came back from a long hiatus. But is the picture of Cable just there because he was the original founder?

I thought that was a promo image for his solo series? :confused: They came out the same day as the information, so I dunno.

[Beast]

I thought that was a promo image for his solo series? :confused: They came out the same day as the information, so I dunno.
You are correct.

[CE_Rap]

Tru, still far to early to tell what's going on.

But honestly, when I saw the promo for this I almost puked:p

I forget who said it, but i agree with the post that says X and Wolfsbane fit too well where they are. I don't want X with Logan because then it destroys her development from New X-Men. I assumed she was in that book as a means of humanizing her more. Hellion telling her not to kill, Her curiousity towards Dust's practices, her new found friendship with Mercury, her overall protective nature. On this crew, it's back to "GRRRRR--ROWL--SNIKT--BANG!"---and dealing with persona's that are, yes different, but too similar.

It's a downer knowing they won't be in the respective books anymore. Seriously, this is why I hate how comics have all these super early previews. They can completely thrash things that are currently happening in a book.

[Beast]

Well, to be fair... PAD hasn't done much with Wolfsbane anyway. So no big loss there.

[CE_Rap]

Well, to be fair... PAD hasn't done much with Wolfsbane anyway. So no big loss there.

I don't think she's wasted in X-Factor. I like seeing her get snappy and all PMS/hormonal---it's comical:p

But if she's on this crew that means this whole "battle against my inner wolf" has been answered. It depends on how it's approached. She either succumbs to it, or unites with it and becomes a stronger mutant for it.

ya know...just that...my gut says *bleEEeeGgGgh*

But yea, we'll see:p


Who's writing this BTW?

[Beast]

I don't think she's wasted in X-Factor. I like seeing her get snappy and all PMS/hormonal---it's comical:p

But if she's on this crew that means this whole "battle against my inner wolf" has been answered. It depends on how it's approached. She either succumbs to it, or unites with it and becomes a stronger mutant for it.

ya know...just that...my gut says *bleEEeeGgGgh*

But yea, we'll see:p


Who's writing this BTW?
My gut is saying the same thing. Especially since I don't like Wolverine. So having a book that just screams 'The Adventures of Wolverine and the Wolverettes' doesn't sound exactly appealing to me. I'll give it an arc.

No word as of yet. Chris Yost ducked the question entirely in the last X-Position. Even acted like he had no clue about the book. So that makes me suspect it's Kyle & Yost. At least that's what it seems like.

[Fatguy]

No word as of yet. Chris Yost ducked the question entirely in the last X-Position. Even acted like he had no clue about the book. So that makes me suspect it's Kyle & Yost. At least that's what it seems like.

That would be very cool. Also was wondering if its maybe Gage, Marvel makes it seem like they are just waiting for an open spot to give him a regular gig.

[Beast]

That would be very cool. Also was wondering if its maybe Gage, Marvel makes it seem like they are just waiting for an open spot to give him a regular gig.
I wish they would have given him Astonishing over Warren Ellis. But oh well.

[The Lucky One]

I'm a big believer in powers coming in a distant second to solid character interaction... but even so, is this the most redundant powerset on one team ever, or what?

-D

[_Jayme_]

Maybe they'll add more members slowly? I dunno, I don't like any of it. I'm not fond of that art and the team is pretty wack.

[Affinity]

I think a lot of people will warm up to Clayton Crain's art. His Ghost Rider is allegedly amazing and I know his Spider-Man stuff is, too. This is kind of sub-par for him, and I'm guessing this is his equivalent of a "sketch" lol.

[RickyD410]

I like the art. And I like X-23's costume. All their eyes are red. Are they being mind controlled?

Anyway, I think Yost and Kyle will be writing it. After all, X-23 is here. And they own her basically.

[rwsmith]

I thought that was a promo image for his solo series? :confused: They came out the same day as the information, so I dunno.

Yeah, doesn't seem like he's going to be on this version of X-Force. From Axel's comments about Cable being more important to the X-books, however, I'm guessing he will be on one of the X-men teams (provided there are still going to be X-men teams, that is).

Personally I'd love to see him on Astonishing with a totally different line-up. Perhaps with Emma Frost and Nightcrawler and some others.

[Fatguy]

I think a lot of people will warm up to Clayton Crain's art. His Ghost Rider is allegedly amazing and I know his Spider-Man stuff is, too. This is kind of sub-par for him, and I'm guessing this is his equivalent of a "sketch" lol.

Yep, his Ghost Rider stuff was very cool. He does some crazy, abstract stuff sometimes and it turns out quite nice imho. Looking forward to seeing him on a monthly.

[HellFrost]

I like the art. And I like X-23's costume. All their eyes are red. Are they being mind controlled?

Anyway, I think Yost and Kyle will be writing it. After all, X-23 is here. And they own her basically.

I can't remember if I heard this as an actual rumor or if someone was just hoping but... I heard it was going to be Christos Gage.

I wouldn't hate that, since he fixes everyones mistakes lol but I feel that Yost and Kyle really shouldn't lose her.

[CE_Rap]

I can't remember if I heard this as an actual rumor or if someone was just hoping but... I heard it was going to be Christos Gage.

I wouldn't hate that, since he fixes everyones mistakes lol but I feel that Yost and Kyle really shouldn't lose her.

Might not necessarily be the WORST thing in the world if Gage gets a shot though. I mean, I totally understand that if you create a character, you're SUPER wary of who you let play with it.

But i gotta say, there are some X-23 tidbits that I'm still confused about. Where do the NYX (which I LOVED) crew come into all her sordid origin story's? Hwo does she go from meeting friends on teh west coast, getting tagged by SHEILD, only to be released by Cap, and end up with ZEBRA DADDY?? I don't follow how that works out. I mean, unless we say all that happenend in Target X was after NYX. That would make a bit of sense to me logistically. But that was never addressed or clarified---unless i missed something.

And it begs the question, for me anyway, how can she be 17ish ( I believe that's what Yost last year when i asked.) She was young as hell in NYX, and not just because of Josh Middleton's drawing style. Yes he draws them demure looking and soft, but I really think she was designed to be a young girl. (When i read it, I was think 13).

I dunno. Personally, I was WAY more into the character when i thought she was on the lower end of the age scale in the New X-Men team. Made for more interesting character development. If she's already a woman, that's a huge chunk of development that becomes left for mini's like target X.

True she can still change even when she's an adult--but seeing her mind aged and mutilated to the point of being like Wolverine, BUT--unlike Wolverine--she's only a 15-or-so-year-old girl is what drew me to her in the first place.

Maybe someone like Gage could delve deeper into her psychosis, which i really want to see happen. I just feel like she's gonna became Wolvie's tool in this. Yes---I know it's not out yet. Yes---I'll wait and see. I'm just shootin' teh breeze here.

thoughts?

[DDM]

I'm a big believer in powers coming in a distant second to solid character interaction... but even so, is this the most redundant powerset on one team ever, or what?

-D

It will more than likely be as essential as Wolverine: Origins (ongoing series); in other words, the book itself will be completely worthless.

[Matthew K.]

Laura looks sexy from the previews.

[sephirothskiller]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers. Its like complaining about sending in four green beret's and recommending one of them be replaced with a cowboy or a zamboni driver.

[Matthew K.]

I want to see how the books delivers in quality before casting stones

(what is this X-Statix all over again?)

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers.

Well, tanks can only prevail against an opposing faction of weaker tanks.

The odds of which being...?? Bah, you get where I'm going with this.

[Pro]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers. Its like complaining about sending in four green beret's and recommending one of them be replaced with a cowboy or a zamboni driver.

Yea because greenbarrets run into telepaths, empaths, telekinetics, energy wielders and lifedrainers all the time in real life and they always win!

[Matthew K.]

Yea because greenbarrets run into telepaths, empaths, telekinetics, energy wielders and lifedrainers all the time in real life and they always win!

I knew they had it in them!

[Flight]

OMG!!!!
Fatguy has an awesome Havok avatar...

[Verminous]

OMG!!!!
Fatguy has an awesome Havok avatar...

Well why don't you just marry him!

[Fatguy]

Well why don't you just marry him!

'Cause I dont think he's ready for this jelly.

[Matthew K.]

quoting Beyonce?

...I think you've already sold yourself to him for life

[Fatguy]

I'm gonna git git git him drunk, git him drunk on my manly lumps.

[Matthew K.]

this thread is slowly trainwrecking!

When does this series come out? I want an advance issue now

[RickyD410]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers. Its like complaining about sending in four green beret's and recommending one of them be replaced with a cowboy or a zamboni driver.

Cus in this world, only having tanks with sharp pointy objects is NOT going to help them much. They need a variety of powers to use all their abilities and skills in tandem to create the best team. And plus, its boring from our perspective.

And it begs the question, for me anyway, how can she be 17ish ( I believe that's what Yost last year when i asked.)

She's 15. Skottie asked Yost and Kyle for all the kids' ages when he came on board, so he'd know how to draw them. They told him X was 15.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Cus in this world, only having tanks with sharp pointy objects is NOT going to help them much. They need a variety of powers to use all their abilities and skills in tandem to create the best team. And plus, its boring from our perspective.

Boring and pretty stupid on the part of the team. Same powers, same weaknesses. Some sonics, strong odors to mask nearby scents and a force field generator, and you could whup the entire team at once.

[jarrod]

She's 15. Skottie asked Yost and Kyle for all the kids' ages when he came on board, so he'd know how to draw them. They told him X was 15.
Which makes her slightly older than Kitty when Excalibur formed or slightly younger than Rahne when the government sponsored X-Factor formed.

[Brian M.]

Boring and pretty stupid on the part of the team. Same powers, same weaknesses. Some sonics, strong odors to mask nearby scents and a force field generator, and you could whup the entire team at once.

Your making some pretty big assumptions here in your "complaint".

You assume it'll be traditional type villians this team will go up again, that their mission and purpose will be just like every other team. Your also assuming that it's only those 4 and no one else on the team.

[Brian M.]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers. Its like complaining about sending in four green beret's and recommending one of them be replaced with a cowboy or a zamboni driver.

Great quote.

this thread is slowly trainwrecking!

When does this series come out? I want an advance issue now

Not until AFTER MESSIAH COMPLEX!!!! But hey, lets prejudge EVERYTHING.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Your making some pretty big assumptions here in your "complaint".

You assume it'll be traditional type villians this team will go up again, that their mission and purpose will be just like every other team. Your also assuming that it's only those 4 and no one else on the team.


1) I'm not assuming anything about their villains. The same weaknesses applies across the board. And it's worth noting that if the team was focused on spy agencies and such, and not traditional villains, then the team makes even less sense. Spies fight smarter than say, Rhino or Doc Ock.

2) If there are other members, they've had plenty of time to hint at it.

[jarrod]

Well, if they want some diversity to the powersets, they could add Rachel. She's a top tier tracker who happens to not be a resident scratch and sniffer. :P

Plus she's already pretty close with Logan, and was friends with James and (sort of) Laura before.

[AnthonyJ]

I dont' understand the thing about redundant powers. Its like complaining about sending in four green beret's and recommending one of them be replaced with a cowboy or a zamboni driver.
Actually, the members of a special forces team are not redundant with one another. The standard detachment is 12, consisting of: Commander, 2nd in Command, Operations Sergeant, Intelligence Sergeant, 2xWeapons, 2xEngineer, 2xMedical, 2xCommunications. There is overlap in training, but there are distinctive roles.

Likewise, the thing to remember about a unit of tanks is that they exist as part of a larger force; if you're sending out an independent task force, it will be a mix of units. For a team of 5-7 (standard superteam size) you want each person to have a distinct specialty. For a battalion of 500-700, you can have a hundred people in a specialty, but there will still be distinct specialized groups within the battalion.

[Mikl C]

It looks like a really bad video game.

[Pach!]

or a good comic book.

[Fatguy]

Or somewhere between ;)

[Hi-Fi]

It looks like a good comic book about a bad video game.

[Brian M.]

It looks like a comic book that we don't know shit about.

[The Cool Thatguy]

It looks like a comic book that we don't know shit about.


It looks like a team made up of four characters with roughly the same powers and no hint of other members to me.

[Brian M.]

It looks like a team made up of four characters with roughly the same powers and no hint of other members to me.

So lets all bitch about it even though we don't have all the info cause it's the cooooooooool thing to do.

[Vicious X Assassin]

It looks like a comic book that we don't know shit about.

What he said. Considering that fact we only see 4 characters, there could easily be another 2-3 characters added we haven't seen. If there are more we prob. wont see them tell the mid-end of MC (depending when the second issue solicits. are shown). Even then we prob. wont know what this teams purpose is tell the very end of MC.

[The Cool Thatguy]

So lets all bitch about it even though we don't have all the info cause it's the cooooooooool thing to do.


Yeah, I like to go to the mall and brag about complaining :rolleyes:

Seriously, after House of M, it's hard to credit Marvel with any intelligence.

[frog]

What else are we going to do on this thread other than speculate?

I'm certainly willing to give the new X-Force a try. However, from what we've been presented with so far I don't consider it unreasonable of me to expect that this may not be my favorite team of mutants. Yes, we don't know that will be all the team members but it's all we have to go on.

[Brian M.]

Yeah, I like to go to the mall and brag about complaining :rolleyes:

Seriously, after House of M, it's hard to credit Marvel with any intelligence.

That is unless you like the Intiative idea and the Decimation stuff and thought Civil War was great...

[The Cool Thatguy]

That is unless you like the Intiative idea and the Decimation stuff and thought Civil War was great...


I don't think it's especially intelligent to reduce the mutant population so drastically. It removes the symbolism of an oppressed minority and just makes them a collection of freaks.

Of late, Marvel seems to be pushing the plot at the expense of the characters and depth. And X-Force seems to be the latest in that trend. And as the past is prelude to the future, I think my complaints are justified.

[Brian M.]

I don't think it's especially intelligent to reduce the mutant population so drastically. It removes the symbolism of an oppressed minority and just makes them a collection of freaks.

Of late, Marvel seems to be pushing the plot at the expense of the characters and depth. And X-Force seems to be the latest in that trend. And as the past is prelude to the future, I think my complaints are justified.

Before Decimation...what was the purpose of the X-Men?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Before Decimation...what was the purpose of the X-Men?


Same as before, protect the world that hates and fears them. Minorities that number in the millions still suffer oppression, ya know.

[Brian M.]

Same as before, protect the world that hates and fears them. Minorities that number in the millions still suffer oppression, ya know.

What kind of new stories would that generate? What Marvel has done is given it's writers tons and tons of new possiblities. With everything going on, it's not too hard to come up w/ a good story idea.

[rwsmith]

What he said. Considering that fact we only see 4 characters, there could easily be another 2-3 characters added we haven't seen. If there are more we prob. wont see them tell the mid-end of MC (depending when the second issue solicits. are shown). Even then we prob. wont know what this teams purpose is tell the very end of MC.

I thought Cable might be on this team too, since they released the cover from his new series on the same day. If he is, and if he has his TP/TK, then that should be all this team needs to destroy just about anyone.

[Omega Alpha]

What kind of new stories would that generate? What Marvel has done is given it's writers tons and tons of new possiblities. With everything going on, it's not too hard to come up w/ a good story idea.

With 198 mutants, the point of the X-men disappears. There is no anti-mutant fear and hate anymore because they are irrelevant, and the Initiative teams alone can kill 99% of the rest easily. There is no point in trying to integrate with humans if the mutant community is dead. With millions of mutants, their mission was even more important, but now the X-men now are just another team of superheroes.

[The Cool Thatguy]

What kind of new stories would that generate? What Marvel has done is given it's writers tons and tons of new possiblities. With everything going on, it's not too hard to come up w/ a good story idea.


You can always generate more stories with more characters. As mentoined, the X-Men are now irrelevant because, when you remove the underlining dynamic, all you have left is vague super heroics.

A team with a cause is easily worth twice that of one without a cause, IMO.

[jarrod]

I thought Cable might be on this team too, since they released the cover from his new series on the same day. If he is, and if he has his TP/TK, then that should be all this team needs to destroy just about anyone.
Cable's not much of a tracker though, and character wise it might be a bit much to have another grizzled, commanding vet on the team besides Logan.

If they're going to add additional characters with tracking characteristics and expertise, Bishop, Rachel, Caliban and/or Beast would make the most sense imo.

[rwsmith]

They don't need another tracker, though. They need a tactician. And a telepath. And some firepower. Cable provides all three.

Plus, I'd be willing to bet that Cable could track someone just fine on his own, but that's beside the point.

[jarrod]

They don't need another tracker, though. They need a tactician. And a telepath. And some firepower. Cable provides all three.

Plus, I'd be willing to bet that Cable could track someone just fine on his own, but that's beside the point.
Seems to go against the common theme of the team though... besides which Rachel and Bishop could fill those roles rather well, mesh more easily with Logan, and add more overall diversity to boot.

Besides, I want Cable on Astonishing. ;)

[rwsmith]

Okay, you win. I'll give you Rachel and Bishop on this team if you give me Cable on Astonishing.;)

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Solicits for december

X-FACTOR #26
Written by PETER DAVID
Penciled by SCOT EATON
Cover by DAVID FINCH
Variant Cover by SIMONE BIANCHI
MESSIAH COMPLEX Part 7
A squad of X-Men track the mutant baby and its captor. But they’re not alone in the hunt. Layla Miller and Madrox explore the future and learn the terrible fate of mutants. And Predator X claims another victim. And who is that woman with the finger claws?!
32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=11855

[Alex A Sanchez]

Interesting to note that these four characters -Warpath, Wolverine, Wolfsbane, and X-23- all appeared in promotional art with Hepzibah and Caliban earlier. It's the picture where some people got their previous avatars from.

Caliban and Hepzibah are also trackers, so it makes sense that they'd fit in with the rest of this team.

I was wondering, was Caliban ever stronger than Warpath? If so, is he still stronger than Warpath? I was just curious...

Caliban was HUGE at one point, and probably stronger than Warpath. Read any of the early 90's X-books (like X-cutioner's song) to get a glimpse of him. He was crusin around with En Saba Nuir in those days.

[Jota]

I completly missed this until yesterday. Anyway here's a tought: What if this is a blck ops team where the characters do stuff they can't do on their regular teams, while continuing to serve on those teams? The characters continue to be in AXM, UXM, NXM and the rest, but join periodically do some dirty work. That could also mean a more revolving cast...
I like some of the costumes.

[Vicious X Assassin]

I completly missed this until yesterday. Anyway here's a tought: What if this is a blck ops team where the characters do stuff they can't do on their regular teams, while continuing to serve on those teams? The characters continue to be in AXM, UXM, NXM and the rest, but join periodically do some dirty work. That could also mean a more revolving cast...
I like some of the costumes.

Good theory, but part of me doubts it (besides Wolverine, since he can just be everywhere)... if it was that way, it'd make me happy.

[Will.S]

With 198 mutants, the point of the X-men disappears. There is no anti-mutant fear and hate anymore because they are irrelevant, and the Initiative teams alone can kill 99% of the rest easily. There is no point in trying to integrate with humans if the mutant community is dead. With millions of mutants, their mission was even more important, but now the X-men now are just another team of superheroes.
The point of the X-Men doesn't disappear, it changes.

It turns into survival and passing their mutant genes/skills onto the future generations which to me is just as interesting if not more than Xavier's dream of mutant integration which was never going to happen anytime soon. That and the MU concept that mutants are hated more than the other superheroes which is just silly now especially after Civil War.

[Frank]

It would be great if Marvel had the guts to have Wolverine only be on this team(and New Avengers). I think it might make the character interesting again in the X world.

[Pro]

They should just make Wolverine Madrox's father and give him dupe powers to explain why he is everywhere ..

[jarrod]

Caliban and Hepzibah are also trackers, so it makes sense that they'd fit in with the rest of this team.
Actually, was Hep ever a tracker? I mean before just recently?

[Daithi]

Actually, was Hep ever a tracker? I mean before just recently?

Not really. However she is well suited to it because of her senses and abilities.

But she wants to frak people in sewers so I guess her feral side is coming out ;)

[Flâneur]

Actually, was Hep ever a tracker? I mean before just recently?

Given her physiology it is quite likely she has those skills but has never been shown using them because it isn't like there is a whole to smell in space.

[jarrod]

Not really. However she is well suited to it because of her senses and abilities.
Actually, don't skunks have comparably dulled senses? At least in regards to felines and canines?


But she wants to frak people in sewers so I guess her feral side is coming out ;)
She should just change her codename, costume and start dying her fur orange while she's at it. ;)

[Daithi]

Actually, don't skunks have comparably dulled senses? At least in regards to felines and canines?

Her species is more feline but has (had I should say) the markings of a skunk.

[Brian M.]

I wonder if I'll get a special thanks in the credits...

[Flâneur]

Actually, don't skunks have comparably dulled senses? At least in regards to felines and canines?
She possesses attributes of both felines and skunks. From what I can recall, her marking and pheromones are meant to be the only skunk-ish thing about her.

[frog]

The solicits give the X-Force mission as tracking the new baby and captor. That has to be a limited time operation so this makes me think the actual team line-up will be fluid and changeable after this mission is resolved one way or another. They can't be tracking the baby forever!

[Fatguy]

They can't be tracking the baby forever!

Maybe there will be more babies after MC? The team will become official baby stalkers, tracking babies all over the country and snatching them.

[Daithi]

They can't be tracking the baby forever!

Unless there's more babies on the way?

[frog]

Heavens. If one of the first things those babies see is that team there's going to be a lot of permanently traumitized babies! :D

[Pro]

I'm still curious what the significance of a single baby can be. Marvel made it pretty clear mutantkind isn't going to viable as a species unless their numbers grow to a few thousand. A single baby isn't going to help create enough genetic variance to save the race (not to mention that it'll be about a generation too late to procreate by the time it grows up ..) .

[Brian M.]

I'm still curious what the significance of a single baby can be. Marvel made it pretty clear mutantkind isn't going to viable as a species unless their numbers grow to a few thousand. A single baby isn't going to help create enough genetic variance to save the race (not to mention that it'll be about a generation too late to procreate by the time it grows up ..) .

No, but the fact that one exists, that a new mutant was born after "No More Mutants" was uttered is a pretty significant sign that maybe they aren't doomed and that maybe Wanda's magic is forever.

[jarrod]

Unless there's more babies on the way?
X-Nannies!

[frog]

X-Nannies!

So, will Cyclops and Emma start up an X-nursery? Wouldn't that be hilarious! I can just see Emma turned loose with a room full of babies.

[Alex A Sanchez]

A single baby isn't going to help create enough genetic variance to save the race (not to mention that it'll be about a generation too late to procreate by the time it grows up ..) .

Sure it will. Once they can get ahold of this baby, they need to find out what made it possible for it to become a mutant. Once the problem is solved, they can make sure that more babies are created in the future.

So, will Cyclops and Emma start up an X-nursery? Wouldn't that be hilarious! I can just see Emma turned loose with a room full of babies.

Wolverine, Wolfsbane, Warpath, X-23, Caliban, and Hepzibah can raise the kids.