X-Men: Emperor Vulcan #1: Spoiler Summary

[CaptainCanada]

Previously, on X-Men: Eh, look it up.

This month, on X-Men:

On the first page, we have some rather unpleasant looking aliens watching as their fleet emerges (I think) into space; one minion approaches the boss alien, and says that there is a new development with the Shi’ar. Boss alien says the time has come.

Shi’ar space, weeks later: A supply convoy destined for the Shi’ar Fourth Fleet is in transit. Onboard one of the Shi’ar warbirds, the sensor officer reports that an electro-magnetic field has inundated the area, and they cannot detect the source, as it appears to be everywhere. The captain is alarmed, and realizes that the Starjammers are here; indeed, as the Starjammer arrives on the scene; Ch’od appears on the viewscreen and recommends that they surrender. They decline to do so. Suddenly, a boarding party materializes on the bridge: Havok, Polaris, Marvel Girl, Korvus, and Raza (everybody but Raza gets a caption saying who they are). The Starjammers defeat them fairly easily, and stop the captain from blowing up the ship. The captain says that even though they’ve captured one ship, there are eleven more warbirds guiding the supplies, and the Starjammer alone doesn’t stand a chance. Empress Lilandra and Major General Ka’ardum appear on the viewscreen, and say that the Starjammer is not alone; the, ah, Shi’ar (I’m just going to call this group the Rebel Alliance and the other guys the Evil Empire to keep things straight) fleet has arrived to back up the Starjammer. Havok suggests that the captain and his regiment should consider joining the Rebel Alliance.

We now go to Chandilar, Evil Empire HQ, arriving midway through the attempted assassination of Vulcan; attemped, I say, because Vulcan vaporizes him (he gets an introductory caption too, which doubles as the credits for this issue; neat). This dealt with, Vulcan returns to the matter at hand: Chancellor Araki has said that the people don’t like Vulcan all that much. His assassination of D’Ken and the active resistance under Lilandra are causing serious defections in the military and civilian population, and it is only the presence of Cal’syee/Deathbird as his wife that is keeping the remaining supporters around (that, and fear, I suppose). Vulcan asks Deathbird what she thinks of that; she slashes Araki across the face, and says Araki likes to play political games, and should remember that Vulcan is the emperor, whether the Secret Order likes it or not. Vulcan changes the subject to the Starjammers, and the question of why they are conspicuously not dead. Incidentally, Gladiator is also present, and also gets his own introductory caption; rock on, Gladiator.

The Clench Worlds (a series of planets in close orbit), near Shi’ar Space: the Rebel Alliance admiralty and whole fleet has convened to discuss strategy; Havok is outlining his plan: they’ve already succeeding in hijacking much of the empire’s supplies, and capturing Feather’s Edge, a heavily-guarded supply base, will be the knockout blow. Until now, they’ve avoided bringing the whole armada together in one place, but the time is right. Observing this, Ch’od remarks to Polaris that he does not understand her concerns about Havok’s lack of confidence; Lorna says Ch’od should just wait and see. Switching subjects, she asks Rachel where Korvus is, and if they’re still fighting; Rachel says that she broke it off with him, because it was weird and complicated (“If I can keep from making out with him, I should be okay.”) Ka’ardum congratulates Havok on his impressive strategy, and says he is surprised that Earth can spare such a brilliant tactician for their civil war; Alex says she’s just here to kill Vulcan, and he’s not a great leader; his brother and his father were. Ch’od: “Ah. Never mind.” Lorna: “Told you.”

The planet “Standing Still,” resistance HQ: Korvus walks up to Alex, who is walking/brooding. Korvus says that the people are calling Alex “saviour”, and that he gives them hope. Alex says he’s just a man; Korvus responds that it’s lucky that their enemy is a child, then. Alex says Vulcan in the most powerful child in the galaxy, and asks what’s going on with Rachel; Korvus says he doesn’t understand her, that the story in her mind is confusing, and asks for some advice. Alex says she likes cheeseburgers.

Elsewhere, Rachel: “Man, I could go for a cheeseburger. And sweatpants. I miss my sweatpants. How long have we been out here? Forever.” Lorna isn’t really listening, and says that Alex told her that he can’t beat Vulcan, having already failed and cost his father his life. Lorna thinks she needs to beat Alex up. Rachel says she talked with Lilandra and learned of the Secret Order, and she’s planning to kill them all (blue Phoenix eye glows).

On Chandilar, Vulcan is out for a stroll in disguise, listening in on all the passers-by discussing their evil, false Emperor, to the point of a billboard proclaiming “Kill the False Emperor” (what kind of half-assed military dictatorship is this?). Deathbird has been following him, and says the Shi’ar don’t yet recognize his true character, and that soon he will show them the true greatness he possesses, and love him like she does. Awww. And then she says their spies have useful news on the Rebel Alliance.

Feather’s Edge: the Starjammer stealthily approaches (Lorna has some kind of energy field around it), followed by the rest of the fleet. A massive space battle commences, and the whole Evil Empire fleet arrives; Rachel confirms that Vulcan is there. Vulcan, standing on the bridge of his flagship (later referred to as the “Hammer”), commands that the X-Men (no, the Starjammers, Vulcan; try to keep up) and Lilandra must be killed, and the others will fall in line. On the “Wing of K’ythai”, the Rebel Fleet flagship, Ka’ardum and Lilandra watch the battle, and the concentration of fire on the Starjammer; Ka’ardum says that they must leave, because they are still outnumbered, and Vulcan has the Imperial Guard; if they fight now, they will all die. Speaking of the Guard, Vulcan asks Gladiator what he would do with the defecting Shi’ar, who Gladiator earlier said had no honour; should they all be killed too? Gladiator hesitates (“...”) but says he serves the Emperor, and it is not his place to decide; Vulcan asks if it was service or his decision to take Vulcan’s eye. Suddenly, the Hammer explodes!

A whole wave of giant new ships appears above the battling fleets. The newly-arrived fleet begins broadcasting, announcing themselves as the race called “Scy’ar Tal”, which, as Rachel informs us, means “Death to the Shi’ar”.

To be continued...

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First of all, why isn't Mr. Diaz doing the art for Uncanny X-Men or X-Men? He's way, way, way better than the art teams on either of those titles. Action, faces, proportions are all terrific. I hope he sticks around the X-office in the future.

I thought this was a promising start; Yost juggles the (smaller than on the Uncanny arc, but at the same time feels more epic) cast of characters expertly. A lot of writers write Alex as perpetually in Scott's shadow, which he still is here, but it's clear that it's on in his head, and he can't recognize his own skill (which we get plenty of evidence of). The dialogue is fun, too.

[Mikl C]

Yay I was waiting for someone to make the thread.
I liked this, and I was surprised.
It felt like more happened here than in Bru's 12 issue arc.

[caney]

I just read this and thought it was fun.

The story has already turned into something I didn't expect. I have no clue where it's going from here (way to go Yost!). That's one of the reasons New X-Men is my favorite X-Book right now. Could the Starjammers end up protecting Vulcan and Deathbird from these Scy'Ar Tal people?

I loved the little quite moments between Alex and Korvus and between Lorna and Rachel. I like cheeseburgers too! I just want to hug Alex cause he's so cute even with all his self doubt.

And Ch'od totally rocked this issue! He's my new favorite background jammer!

The art was enjoyable enough. I definately prefer it to Tan's work.

[jarrod]

Switching subjects, she asks Rachel where Korvus is, and if they’re still fighting; Rachel says that she broke it off with him, because it was weird and complicated (“If I can keep from making out with him, I should be okay.”)
YESZ!!!!11

[Karl H]

this sounds pleasantly... well, pleasant. I shall buy the trade now for sure.

[jmc247]

It was a good issue, I liked the characterization of Lorna better then Bru's, I guess I will be picking up the rest of the series.

[drwho]

This was a good read and it is always nice to see both Havok and Polaris shine. Thank God Rachel ditched that sword guy. That seemed like the dumbest plot in the world with no purpose at all when Ed introduced it. I enjoy the dialog and nice to see that the Shiar hate Vulcan as much as the comic readers. The art was great. Only complaint is the oh so more powerful evil alien force out there waiting to destroy the already messed up Shiar force. Vulcan also was not as annoying as I am used to seeing him.

[AnthonyJ]

This was a good read and it is always nice to see both Havok and Polaris shine. Thank God Rachel ditched that sword guy. That seemed like the dumbest plot in the world with no purpose at all when Ed introduced it.
Well, based on subsequent events (e.g. Hepsibah), I think we can blame it on Ed wanting to write a romance subplot and having no clue how to actually manage one, and instead producing something creepy and weird. It is, however, good to see the whole thing recognized as creepy and weird.

[Hi-Fi]

I really, really enjoyed this first issue. Great characterization and dialogue, and an interesting plot. SCORE!

[Polaris Rocks]

A much better issue then the recient Uncanny Vulcan arc. I thought Polaris was written better then under the past Vulcan story. I thought Rachel was well written as well.

[Nyssane]

Does Scintilla appear at all?

[Daithi]

This was good. Stuff that wasn't addressed in Uncanny was addressed here. Like Rachel actually talking to Lilandra about the death of family.

Plus the secret order is mentioned as been behind the Grey massacre. Though I found it odd that Deathbird would refer to the secret order as the "Secret Order"!

Cute bits that Korvus knows that Havok is Rachel's uncle kinda. "You are her uncle, I think". Plus is Chris Yost referencing UXM Annual #14 with Ray liking cheeseburgers? Cool.

How long have we been in space?
Forever!

Nice to see sane cool Lorna. "I think I'm going to have beat Alex up." :)

Love that Yost can juggle Vulcan/Deathbird and the Starjammers so effectively. Love the fact that the Shi'ar people's mindset is getting explored.

I think Gladiator might be getting a bigger piece of the story. He's too quiet here.

Good stuff.

[Hi-Fi]

This was good. Stuff that wasn't addressed in Uncanny was addressed here. Like Rachel actually talking to Lilandra about the death of family.

Plus the secret order is mentioned as been behind the Grey massacre. Though I found it odd that Deathbird would refer to the secret order as the "Secret Order"!

Cute bits that Korvus knows that Havok is Rachel's uncle kinda. "You are her uncle, I think". Plus is Craig Yost referencing UXM Annual #14 with Ray liking cheeseburgers? Cool.

How long have we been in space?
Forever!

Nice to see sane cool Lorna. "I think I'm going to have beat Alex up." :)

Love that Yost can juggle Vulcan/Deathbird and the Starjammers so effectively. Love the fact that the Shi'ar people's mindset is getting explored.

I think Gladiator might be getting a bigger piece of the story. He's too quiet here.

Good stuff.
The cheeseburger was definitely a reference to Uncanny X-Men Annual #14.

And it's Chris Yost. :)

[protogarrett]

I love thurough summaries like this one! Thanks Cap/Canada!

[Daithi]

And it's Chris Yost. :)

D'oh! Changed :o

[Beast]

I was.. shocked pretty much covers it, at how good this actually was.

Still hate Vulcan, with a blazing passion. But Chris Yost delievered an excellent first issue of the miniseries. It's already better than RAFOTSE. Of course, that's not hard to achieve. Hopefully it will continue to be good.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

OH YEAH..this came out today, didn't it? Damn...forgot about that. Princess Lorna and Rachel are back!

[CMBMOOL]

Well it seems like this series is becoming one of those adventures in space where anything can happen. :D

That is what I got from the first issue. :p

[Pach!]

What is she princess of?

[Nyssane]

Does Scintilla appear at all?

How hard is it to answer a yes or no question?

[jmc247]

What is she princess of?

Genosha. You remember the giant mass grave off the coast of Africa?

[Pach!]

Genosha. You remember the giant mass grave off the coast of Africa?

I thought it was a House of M thing and I was going to throw up.

[Beast]

How hard is it to answer a yes or no question?
I'm going to guess no. Because the only Imperial Guard in the book is Gladiator.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

I thought it was a House of M thing and I was going to throw up.

Well she's a reigning 2x Princess now..one with Magneto annointed her heir of his empire and after House of M when she was ruling side by side with Magnus as his right hand yet again.

[Christopher O]

This issue was OK, but I'm a little sick of the Shi'ar and Havok really. His "will prove that I am as good as Cyclops" subplot made me roll my eyes. I hate when that becomes a focus. His insecurity should be there (sorta like Storm's claustrophobia) but really doesn't need to become a major focus yet again. Anyway, I thought the dialogue was decent and Polaris made me smile. Also, I didn't hate Rachel. All in all, it wasn't a bad book but isn't one that I'm particularly interested in. I just don't find it compelling.

[Brian M.]

What is she princess of?

Crazytown...your my butterfly, sugar, baby.

Genosha. You remember the giant mass grave off the coast of Africa?

So she's in charge of dirt?

Well she's a reigning 2x Princess now..one with Magneto annointed her heir of his empire and after House of M when she was ruling side by side with Magnus as his right hand yet again.

Ok...what empire? Also now that the HoM is over...she's not ruling by his side. So what is she princess of ?

[caney]

I proclaim myself Princess of this thread! You may all bow down to me now. :cool:

[kate-pryde]

Overall, a good issues that's far better than anything in the 12 issue Shi'ar arc.

Alex and Lorna are written fantastically.

Rachel was okay, but she didn't have that much to do, so I'm not quite ready to start raving about Yost being the best writer to write Rachel since Weinberg or anything crazy like that (but beating Claremont and Brubaker for that honor isn't all that difficult).

I was so ecstatic about the spoiler that Rachel broke up with Korvus, but after reading the issue, it was disappointing that it looks like they could still get back together. I'd rather see Rachel focused on finding the secret group behind the Grey massacre or interacting with Alex and Lorna than continuing the Korvus/Rachel puke-fest.

I loved the cheeseburger reference to Uncanny X-Men Annual 14, but I have a feeling Korvus is going to get back with Rachel by finding an interstellar McDonalds. :mad: :vomit:

Korvus ruined one arc, I don't want to see him ruining what could be an amazing mini-series. Hopefully he dies a very painful death in the next issue and we can be rid of him. Cr+eee deserves more panel time than Korvus.

It's a shame that the Lilandra and Rachel conversation was off-panel, but that's something that should have been in Uncanny.

[Beast]

There's a lot of stuff that should have been in Uncanny. :p

[rilokyle]

RILOKYLE gives his seal of approval!

I love the pacing of this issue- things are happening quickly; about damn time.

Havok and Polaris were written quite well, although it is a tad martin cliche to have Alex boo hooing about how he's not that great of a leader and how he lives in the shadow of his brother. HOWEVER, I like that everyone else in the galaxy is like praising Alex for leading the rebellion against Vulcan. Hot!

Lorna's braids are growing on me, and I like how she made some funny comments in this issue. I'd like to see some more Lorna/Alex interaction though- space makes you horny after all.

I'm glad Rachel is done with Korvus- lets hope that sticks. I do wish we got to see Rachel confront Lilandra though about the death of the Greys. Hopefully we'll see more development with this subplot. I want to see Rachel's wrath!

And this new alien invasion came out of nowhere and I love it! It's a good twist to up the ante.

As for the art, it was quite pretty. Some pages were occasionally bland, but overall Paco Diaz did a good job. I'm going to predict that he'll be turning out fantastic work by the end of the series. He's got potential. He draws a FINE Alex so far.

Chris Yost is an adequete(sp?) writer, and I was perfectly fine with his script. It could use a little more flare, but the issue was overall flowing and thankfully not too clunky. He used the right mix of action and character development, the latter which I think was missing sometimes in Brubaker's story.

I'm excited for the next issue! 4 out of 5 stars!

[Slung]

Fun issue - Lorna was fantastic. Havok wasn't terrible. I didn't hate Rachel. Korvus was mainly wallpaper. Yost has done a bang up job of surpassing Brubaker's arc with this first issue.

The art was a bit...bland. Anatomy was fine, faces were fine, poses, backgrounds all serviceable. But it lacked that "spark." It had that Michael Ryan boring thing going on. I'd actually prefer Tan. His chicks look uglied in the face, but their is a sense of kinetic energy to most of it.

[Alphaxman]

I loved when Ch’od questioned Lorna about Alex’s “self-doubt” after he gave a great assessment of the battle and she said wait for it and it came. Yost understand Alex’s character so well. He is a great leader but he just doesn’t see it when everyone else does. I’m glad Lorna is having a great showing here. She has had more character in this one is then Burbaker’s 12 issue run with her. From her line about not being crazy for months to chatting it up with Rachel about beating Alex up over his self-doubt she has her old “voice” back.

But I still can’t get with Vulcan. He’s so 2 dimensional and he doesn’t have any redeeming qualities about him. I hope he dies at the end of the Mini. :mad:

[Pach!]

How awesome was Ch'od? And I want a full answer.

[Christopher O]

How awesome was Ch'od? And I want a full answer.
He was more awesome than Alex, Rachel, Vulcan, Lilandra, Gladiator, Deathbird, and Raza but less awesome than Lorna.

[Slung]

He was more awesome than Alex, Rachel, Vulcan, Lilandra, Gladiator, Deathbird, and Raza but less awesome than Lorna.

I concur with everything Chris said.

[Slung]

He was more awesome than Alex, Rachel, Vulcan, Lilandra, Gladiator, Deathbird, and Raza but less awesome than Lorna.

I concur with everything Chris said - so much I needed a double post!!

[caney]

How awesome was Ch'od? And I want a full answer.

I already answered this question in my earlier post!
And Ch'od totally rocked this issue! He's my new favorite background jammer!

[CaptainCanada]

I concur with everything Chris said.
Twice, even.;)

[ibrakeforchinwe]

This issue was pretty good! I hope Rachel is prominently featured and does cool stuff.

[Christopher O]

I concur with everything Chris said.

I concur with everything Chris said - so much I needed a double post!!
Twice? That's flattering!

[Will.S]

This was a pretty seamless continuation from Ed's Rise and Fall arc. At times I forgot Ed wasn't writing it since the atmsphere and the characters are so familiar by recent memory.

Most of the "backround characters" like the Starjammers (Cho'd) and Gladiator were the ones that interested me the most although I do like Havok and Polaris's characterization as well as Rachel to a smaller degree. This new enemy is interesting although I kind of had my hopes up in thinking that the Shi'ar threat was going to be the Phalanx invading Shi'ar space finally.

Artwise pretty solid and on par with the Billy Tan stuff although Paco Diaz's art resembles Clayton Henry's a great deal more. It's not really as stylish or "unique" looking as Billy Tan's but it's serviceable all the same. I did like his design of Vulcan's costume but it still looks kind of bland, I don't think he'll ever get a costume on par with Magneto's so most likely he'll be changing costumes every time like Odin.

7.5/10

[_Jayme_]

k. This clears up the 12 issue arc for me. On the recap page, it pretty much explained more to me then 12 months of Uncanny did. No joke..

I can't help it though...I'm still iffy on this story. I like Vulcan. He's a pretty cool character with a good history and I love getting introduced to new characters and following them but I'm more interested in Korvus, tbh.

[Omega Alpha]

I liked it. Good characterization to most, and great to Ch'od and Lorna. And Paco Diaz is way better than the artists of Uncanny and X-men.

[dotdotdot]

First of all, why isn't Mr. Diaz doing the art for Uncanny X-Men or X-Men? He's way, way, way better than the art teams on either of those titles. Action, faces, proportions are all terrific. I hope he sticks around the X-office in the future.



you've got to be kidding me. this was bland, no-name art, that had nothing to distinguish itself in any way.

[_Jayme_]

Bland is sometimes better then the clunk of mess that Bachalo draws though..It's kind of aggrivating seeing artists change their style like he did.

Diaz has stayed pretty consistant, I think and that's what I look for in an artist myself.

[dotdotdot]

yknow, you guys should go through that rise and fall trade, it is much much better than you recall and it's getting no credit in this thread. weak middle? sure. the beginning and end of the arc really cannot be messed with.

[Brian M.]

yknow, you guys should go through that rise and fall trade, it is much much better than you recall and it's getting no credit in this thread. weak middle? sure. the beginning and end of the arc really cannot be messed with.

I've been saying that since the end of the arc. Read it all the way through, it's a pretty decent book.

[Alphaxman]

I concur with everything Chris said - so much I needed a double post!!

I have to put a stamp of Approval to that too. Lorna>Ch'od>>>everone else>>>>>>>>>>>>Vulcan :mad:

[dotdotdot]

Bland is sometimes better then the clunk of mess that Bachalo draws though..It's kind of aggrivating seeing artists change their style like he did.

Diaz has stayed pretty consistant, I think and that's what I look for in an artist myself.

nope. bland is never good. consistency on it's own is boring and not really any sort of virtue. the art here was eh, serviceable, at best.
i mean i prefer larocca and that's really saying something. but if things pick up here, it won't be a problem. here's hoping that something important took place in that explosion, like the end of deathbird.

[dotdotdot]

I've been saying that since the end of the arc. Read it all the way through, it's a pretty decent book.

seriously if it weren't for tan's design for korvus and that blade, i think i could get down with every single element of that arc.

[Brian M.]

seriously if it weren't for tan's design for korvus and that blade, i think i could get down with every single element of that arc.

Yea...I'm still not sure I get why the hell he was there. At first it seemed like Bru was gonna pick up on the End of Greys shit, but then...it didn't. I agree, take out Korvus...good arc.

[CaptainCanada]

you've got to be kidding me. this was bland, no-name art, that had nothing to distinguish itself in any way.
It was quite typical in appearance, sure, but it was clean, the characters looked nice, easy to follow what was happening, and had appropriate gravity for the situation; the same can't be said for the others (I like some aspects of Larocca, Bachalo, and Ramos' work, mind you, but the whole packages don't work as well).

On the subject of the "Rise and Fall" story, I liked it a lot. It had flaws, and a somewhat abrupt ending, but I'd hardly call it a bad story.

[Alphaxman]

It was quite typical in appearance, sure, but it was clean, the characters looked nice, easy to follow what was happening, and had appropriate gravity for the situation; the same can't be said for the others (I like some aspects of Larocca, Bachalo, and Ramos' work, mind you, but the whole packages don't work as well).

On the subject of the "Rise and Fall" story, I liked it a lot. It had flaws, and a somewhat abrupt ending, but I'd hardly call it a bad story.

I agreed completely. But I think his art would look better with a different inker. I’m going to keep him on my radar.

[Slung]

It was quite typical in appearance, sure, but it was clean, the characters looked nice, easy to follow what was happening, and had appropriate gravity for the situation; the same can't be said for the others (I like some aspects of Larocca, Bachalo, and Ramos' work, mind you, but the whole packages don't work as well).

On the subject of the "Rise and Fall" story, I liked it a lot. It had flaws, and a somewhat abrupt ending, but I'd hardly call it a bad story.

Bachalo is a design genius though and his art is so kinetic - it just pops off the page. Sure, it can at times be difficult, but there is nothing bland about it ever.

[dotdotdot]

It was quite typical in appearance, sure, but it was clean, the characters looked nice, easy to follow what was happening, and had appropriate gravity for the situation; t



those just seem like incredibly low standards

[ClanAskani]

I liked it. It was a decent start, and I agree that it's far better than Brubaker's arc.

The art was OK. Nothing special, but better than Billy Tan's.

I'd say this is a major improvement on Rachel Grey, but she's still nowhere close to being back to being Rachel Summers.

I'm glad it was finally acknowledged that Alex is Rachel's uncle. It's strange that Korvus didn't know for certain that Alex being her uncle. You would assume she would have said something about it, or Corsair being her grandfather over the course of the past few weeks/months.

It also doesn't seem like Alex has made any attempt to follow up on his, "We're family -- and that's what matters" statement to Rachel in Unlimited.

Otherwise, everything was okay.

I'm glad Rachel has ended her bizarre relationship with Korvus and hope they don't get back together.

Ch'od was the break-out character in the issue. He had some great lines.

Vulcan is still the weak link. He's not a strong enough villain to carry this, and I can't muster up any enthusiasm about him.

[kate-pryde]

It also doesn't seem like Alex has made any attempt to follow up on his, "We're family -- and that's what matters" statement to Rachel in Unlimited.


Alex is a Summers. You know he's lying when his mouth is moving (watch out, Lorna).

It's exactly like Scott telling Rachel he wished he was a better father when he had the chance. Scott really followed through with that. :rolleyes:

[GoingGreen]

I won't be reading it until tonight, but I'll give my feedback soon. So far? <3's it.

[caney]

you've got to be kidding me. this was bland, no-name art, that had nothing to distinguish itself in any way.

That describes my feelings on Billy Tan's art exactly. I like Paco Diaz's art better.

[Pach!]

Besides Billy Tan's Rachel looked dinosaur-esque at times so Diaz wins.

[Askani's Flame]

Alex is a Summers. You know he's lying when his mouth is moving (watch out, Lorna).

It's exactly like Scott telling Rachel he wished he was a better father when he had the chance. Scott really followed through with that. :rolleyes:

I'm more apt to believe Alex than Scott on most occasions. Scott doesn't have a good track record on most things he says to women. Plus Alex is waay hotter so it wouldn't be hard for me to believe him :D

I liked this issue a lot. I, too, have gone back and reread RAFOTSE as a whole and it wasn't as horrible as the year read. However, it was still bad and so much more positive character development occurred in this one issue than in all 12 of those.

Lorna Dane is back and I was LOVING all of her comments and such.

Rachel is finally being written closer to her character before her "reload" in Uncanny. Good things seem to be happening for her character now, which I likes. Hopefully we'll see her kick some Secret Order a$$ before the end of this mini. While I would have liked to have seen her convo with Lilandra, it should have happened in Uncanny.

Alex needs to be beat by Lorna. Maybe, just maybe, he'll get rid of some of that self-doubt.

I think Yost did a great thing by tying up as many loose ends off panel as he could. This way he wouldn't having to compromise his story or first issue to fix Brubakers mess. Looking forward to seeing more on this new alien race and having the Starjammers to possibly protect Vulcan and Deathbird from them.

[jarrod]

I'll take unremarkably solid art over remarkably bad art anyday. Diaz here shows tens times the talent Tan did on Uncanny.

Tan was way better before he started doing this scratchy Liefield Jr. impersonation. The X-23 mini is still his best work imo.

[Metallurgique]

Ah, so many good things about this issue. Yost is dealing with perhaps one of the most implausible plots of all, so that makes it that much more remarkable that this issue was so good.

- Popsicle sword finally toned down to human scale.

- Rachel finally talked to Lilandra.

- Lorna finally gets characterization.

- Intentional humor finally added to this arc ("Corsair used to sing us a song before going into battle." "Really?" "No.")

- Gladiator clearly has doubts.

Vulcan and Deathbird are still rather simplistic, but I can't see how Yost could write around what has already happened to make them seem any different. I imagine that Deathbird has her own plans, like she always does. And what's this about Vulcan actually being Shi-ar?

Too bad the Phalanx are all tied up in Annihilation: Conquest - crossing over these two stories would be epic. Not to mention a way to sell more Annihilation books.

[Daithi]

And what's this about Vulcan actually being Shi-ar?

Apparently it's an ancient Shi'ar law that anybody born in the royal throne room is considered to be of royal blood. D'ken was resurrected just long enough to mention this.

It doesn't make any sense really. Thankfully Yost is going with the Shi'ar following Vulcan because he is married to Deathbird.

[AnthonyJ]

- Popsicle sword finally toned down to human scale.
We can probably credit the artist with that one.

[Askani's Flame]

And what's this about Vulcan actually being Shi-ar?

I took it to be that his views, personality and such make him a Shi'ar . . . deep down in his cruddy little heart. Well, according to Deathbird at least.

[Volk1]

I really think Alex is going to die. His lack of measuring up to his big brother (and his penis) is too much for him.

[Omega Alpha]

Too bad the Phalanx are all tied up in Annihilation: Conquest - crossing over these two stories would be epic. Not to mention a way to sell more Annihilation books.

It's a shame that this is not part of Annihilation. The Phalanx would've been a much more interesting threat than these generic opponents with the name "death to Shi'ar".

[madrox1977]

Read this today, and will re-read it later, amazed how it took 12 issues to tell one story and already this is a better paced story with the characters we want to see acting in the way we want them to, if korvus gets sucked out of an airlock i think this will be perfect series. Want Rach to kick some secret order (good name) arse. Alex needs to get over his scott thing, its been 30+ yrs now. Also comedy in it was good, the aforementioned "corsair used to sing" line also the "i think he's talking about you rachel" in response to alex's no killing line

[dotdotdot]

seriously if i see this bs about how this one issue packed more characterization than the last 12 i'm going to snap, because very little happened in this issue. i think you guys see success if an issue fails to piss you off. this one just sortof made it through your criteria somehow so its getting a ton of praise. there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall.
it was a fair issue that is building towards something, and hopefully we can trust that yost isn't afraid of letting anything happen, so we'll see some major consequences.

[_Jayme_]

seriously if i see this bs about how this one issue packed more characterization than the last 12 i'm going to snap, because very little happened in this issue. i think you guys see success if an issue fails to piss you off. this one just sortof made it through your criteria somehow so its getting a ton of praise. there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall.
it was a fair issue that is building towards something, and hopefully we can trust that yost isn't afraid of letting anything happen, so we'll see some major consequences.

Why do you disagree with everything someone says? PMSL. It's like habit :p

It got more done then the year long arc. Simple..The one year long arc had so many unneccessary elements to it and it was just so slow. You could have told that story in 5 or 6 issues tops, no doubt. I think IGN even rated just about every issue as either Pass It or Burn It, which is the lowest you can get.

This was much easier to understand then the 12 issue arc and altogether, the story and art was much better.

You can't really make a judgement like "there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall. " yet because it was one issue of a five issue story. Wait until it's complete to make your judgement.

[gravling]

seriously if i see this bs about how this one issue packed more characterization than the last 12 i'm going to snap, because very little happened in this issue. i think you guys see success if an issue fails to piss you off. this one just sortof made it through your criteria somehow so its getting a ton of praise. there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall.
it was a fair issue that is building towards something, and hopefully we can trust that yost isn't afraid of letting anything happen, so we'll see some major consequences.

spot on. totally spot on. i especially love the people who think they know more about writing comics than a seasoned veteran like brubaker who is one of the best writers in the business at the moment. delusional.

*raises a glass to you*

cheers

[Beast]

spot on. totally spot on. i especially love the people who think they know more about writing comics than a seasoned veteran like brubaker who is one of the best writers in the business at the moment. delusional.

*raises a glass to you*

cheers
Maybe he's one of the best writers of Captain America. But he's doing nothing for Uncanny X-Men.

[Metallurgique]

I agree. A great writer for Captain America or Daredevil but a big snooze for Uncanny X-men. That's not to say that I really dislike his writing on UXM or that it's abjectly bad. But a whole year, plus deadly Genesis, and Vulcan's story and the repercussions thereof are still a big ugly mess. In the meantime, Mike Carey, Peter David, Kyle & Yost, and Joss Whedon's runs on the other titles excited everyone.

[Daithi]

seriously if i see this bs about how this one issue packed more characterization than the last 12 i'm going to snap, because very little happened in this issue.

Alex acted like a leader showing his abilities and insecurities. Kurt the supposed leader in Rise and Fall was little more than wallpaper.

Brubaker never followed up on the massacre of the entire Grey family. Instead he replaces it with a romance between Rachel and Same History As Rachel Therefore They Have A Bond Guy.

At least Rachel actually talked to Lilandra about it.



there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall.


Well there's the humour for a start.


it was a fair issue that is building towards something, and hopefully we can trust that yost isn't afraid of letting anything happen, so we'll see some major consequences.

Yeah or otherwise it will end up as the Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar.

[Alphaxman]

I have a question guys. What ever happened to the Undying back in the 90's Starjammers Mini by Warren Ellis. They would have been nice to see again.

[Affinity]

HM, I don't know, guys!

I didn't really like it all that much. It was an okay read, and some parts were great but as a whole I think I really can't find myself too attached to the entire concept at all. It's still cool, though, and Diaz was amazing in some panels but overall nothing too fancy for me.

I'm not going to be a negative Nancy though, lolz, I'm going to stick with the series to give it a chance.

[Don Quixote]

there was certainly nothing going on yet in emperor vulcan that makes is outshine rise and fall.


I'm sure the Korvus/Ch'od relationship will change your mind, there.

Yost does have a much better handle of these characters than Bru did, I feel. He and Craig Kyle have shown plenty of awareness of X-history in their NXM run, and it's going to serve him in good stead with this mini.

We're going to see Alex finally grow a pair, and we should hopefully see the tying up of the Grey family nonsense (or at least, this mini should set it up for that to be done). All we need now is some trademark Yost character killing to rid us of Vulcan, and I'll be a happy guy.

[kate-pryde]

I'm sure the Korvus/Ch'od relationship will change your mind, there.

Korvus/Ch'od is the only thing that can make me actually like Korvus. As long as Korvus is romantically linked to Ch'od and as far away from Rachel as possible, I can tolerate him.

Clearly Korvus' confusion about his relationship with Rachel is due to his feelings for Ch'od.

And I think it would be a real positive move to have more gay aliens in the Marvel universe.

[HellFrost]

I thought this book was fantastic. I loved everyones characterization, and stuff actually happened. Plus, I didn't hate Rachel. I actually laughed at and enjoyed her lines. I can't wait for issue 2. Ch'od and Polaris's interaction was hiserical. The art is another plus. It's completely pleasing to look at *cough*Havok*cough* and I didn't get confused at all looking at the panels.

EDIT: I love Korvus to death. Anyone with a giant buster blade type sword is cool by me. I can't wait to see where they go with him. He made Rachel bareable to me in the Rise and Fall of the Shi-ar Empire. I hope they stay together. I think it would be interesting to keep them in space after this and have them join the Imperial Guard.

[Mikl C]

I really freaking wanted it to be the Phalanx.
Come to eat the shi'ar AGAIN AAHAAHAHAH

[steve2275]

pacos art was better on the last four wonder woman issues than this
still good tho

[jarrod]

Wow. Looks like the Rise and Fall of Ed Brubaker is really getting under some people's skin. ;)

[Arilou]

I really freaking wanted it to be the Phalanx.
Come to eat the shi'ar AGAIN AAHAAHAHAH

That would be too awesome for Marvel alas. The Phalanx are busy digesting the Kree anyway.

[phoenixV]

Emperor Vulcan exceeded my expectations. It was a solid issue all around. Loved the Rachel and Lorna conversation. I didn't the Rise & Fall arc at all, and I hate that Rachel and the others are stuck in space. I still don't like it, but at least this was bearable.

I suspect that Korvus had some sort of influence over Rachel and is still working for the Shi’ar Secret Order. Now she’s come out of her Korvus induced fog, she is finally able to remember why went along on the mission in the first place.

Consider that the tattoo on Rachel’s back allows the Secret Order to track her. That information can’t have been shared with Vulcan and Deathbird. Likely the Secret Order has their own agenda, and Korvus is their mole.

[Mitteloss]

I only comment on issues on uncannyxmen.net forums, but I'd thought I'd just mention that this issue was great, nothing bad at all, great characterization.

[GoingGreen]

Finally, a writer than gets what Polaris is about. Can't wait to see more " team heart" moments! <3s you Yost.

[CmX]

This issue was really boring, but the dialogue was fun in some parts.

[UncannyAsianGirl]

And I think it would be a real positive move to have more gay aliens in the Marvel universe.
Yay for Phylla and Moondragon! Shame about the whole "turning into a dragon" thing though. :eek:

This was a fun, fast-paced issue with good characterization and dialogue. I also really like the humor. :D

It's been awhile since Alex was portrayed as being a competent leader, hasn't it? This is a nice change of pace. I don't know 'bout getting rid of the self-esteem issues though, it's sorta what makes Alex, Alex. Well, at least to me, I'm sure a lot of Havok fans think differently. :o

The Lorna/Rachel girl talk was fun, I'm sure there's going to be a lot more moments like this, and I still don't know what to make of Korvus. I think he's a bit more likeable than he was in RAFOTSE, but that just makes him sorta "meh" at best. We'll see what happens with him later. Vulcan didn't come off as being particularly annoying either, and Deathbird's just sorta freaky. Now I wouldn't go as far as call her a pedophile, but does anyone think that she's taking advantage of his "angry teenager" mentality and relative lack of life experience? It seems a little Bobby/Mystique to me...

Heh, an alien race called "Death the the Shi'ar", from what Yost says in the latest X-Position, I'd say that they're another alien race that got trampled by the Shi'ar during their more imperialistic days. However, the only other race I can think of right now that got shafted by them is the Heptarchy, mentioned in the "Condition Critical/Red Data" arc of Carey's run... Having a mind-eating bomb dropped on the planet and annhilating the population is grounds for having beef with the Shi'ar, right? :eek: (Heck, Rogue's probably got beef with them too, it's their weapon that caused her all the grief with the 8 billion minds in her head, and most, if not all of them would definitely hate the Shi'ar. Wow, that sounds weird.)

Eh, it's probably not them, since Yost also said the Scy'ar have never been seen before.

There was also a whole Shi'ar "Sleeping Destroyer" thing briefly mentioned in that arc too by the Mummudrai, but it was only glossed over, and not followed up on, I had a feeling that it was supposed to be a nod to something that was to happen in Brubaker's run, perhaps we'll see it pop up over here?

Or maybe it'd be best if it didn't, there's already so much going on right now, Yost is doing an excellent job considering what Bru left him with.

[Red Lotus]

It's been awhile since Alex was portrayed as being a competent leader, hasn't it? .

Don’t you mean its been a while since Alex has been written by an competent writer.

[UncannyAsianGirl]

Don’t you mean its been a while since Alex has been written by an competent writer.
Err, not really... it really isn't my thing to knock the writers, just their writing/portrayal of things. :) At least I try not to, I could get a little tetchy if a favorite character of mine is involved. (But don't we all?)

And yea, Austen's and Milligan's takes on Alex weren't that good at all. (Although it was a little bit fun to see him bullied by Emma. :p)

Brubaker's was better, but I didn't like it nowhere near as much as Yost's, so far. :D

[ClanAskani]

Alex is a Summers. You know he's lying when his mouth is moving (watch out, Lorna).

It's exactly like Scott telling Rachel he wished he was a better father when he had the chance. Scott really followed through with that. :rolleyes:

I'm sick and tired of Alex (and Scott) being written like that. I'm hopefuly that Chris can actually turn Alex around. Finally he's going to become the kind of confident leader he's always should have been, and outshine Scott and his father.

It's probably not intentional, but little things (like Rachel and Alex's conversation in Unlimited, or what Scott told Rachel in AoC&P) get dropped and it makes Alex and Scott look every worse for not following through on what they said. Then it's more of Alex and Scott are the biggest assholes, and I doubt that's the intent. I hope that changes at least a little in this series.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

It's probably not intentional, but little things (like Rachel and Alex's conversation in Unlimited, or what Scott told Rachel in AoC&P) get dropped and it makes Alex and Scott look every worse for not following through on what they said. Then it's more of Alex and Scott are the biggest assholes, and I doubt that's the intent. I hope that changes at least a little in this series.

Am a fan of the two characters and always found it rather amusing. I mean, they've got their respective annoying flaws, but they're essentially two good men, right? And yet they've pulled some inexplicably colossal a$$hole moves over and over thanks to botched/dismissed plotlines/storyarcs. :eek:

[jarrod]

I don't know 'bout getting rid of the self-esteem issues though, it's sorta what makes Alex, Alex. Well, at least to me, I'm sure a lot of Havok fans think differently. :o
Me, me, me!

Honestly, I don't think Alex has been handled well since PAD left X-Factor originally. And really, he never had much of a "little brother complex" under Claremont or PAD either... that's yet another gross mischaracterization we can blame on the ineffectual 90s regime, only somehow it's stuck and now become Alex's defining character trait. :(

[caney]

Me, me, me!

Honestly, I don't think Alex has been handled well since PAD left X-Factor originally. And really, he never had much of a "little brother complex" under Claremont or PAD either... that's yet another gross mischaracterization we can blame on the ineffectual 90s regime, only somehow it's stuck and now become Alex's defining character trait. :(

Well it does look like this miniseries is set up for him to do something awesome! If he ends up being the one to take down Vulcan when so many others have failed, I don't see how he could keep up with his self doubt.

Alex does great when he's up against huge odds in strange places. He was very in control and confident during his X-Factor and Mutant X days. Someone just needs to remind him of this.

[Joe Acro]

I enjoyed the issue, but felt that it offered to many snide remarks at Brubaker's run. Rachel saying she's just got to avoid kissing Korvus jumps readily to mind, though I remember there being more. It just seems in poor taste.

[jarrod]

Well it does look like this miniseries is set up for him to do something awesome! If he ends up being the one to take down Vulcan when so many others have failed, I don't see how he could keep up with his self doubt.
Let's hope! Revitalizing Alex was on Yost's checklist iirc.


Alex does great when he's up against huge odds in strange places. He was very in control and confident during his X-Factor and Mutant X days. Someone just needs to remind him of this.
Agreed... I've always seen Alex as a more an "outside the box" thinker and leader. He's not the soldier and military strategist that Scott is, but then that's not always the best form of leadership for all situations... Alex always seemed more comfortable with more social leaning and creative solutions. Like just handing Random a check rather than duking it out. :D

And you're right, he had some good moments in Mutant X too, I'd forgotten about that. But just like Lorna, Kurt, Kitty, Peter, Rahne, Sam, Shan or Rachel, it seems once he came back to the mansion, all that progress and growth was swept under the rug. :(

[Will.S]

I find it interesting that Vulcan has so many costume changes and not one of them has stuck yet since they all have somewhat lame designs. The current one in this mini isn't bad but I think someone like Olivier Copiel would have been more up to the task to make it royal yet futuristic at the same time.

The outfit he wears on the covers look pretty good though and ironically close to Corsair's:

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/sixteen/XMVULCAN003.jpg

[Hi-Fi]

I enjoyed the issue, but felt that it offered to many snide remarks at Brubaker's run. Rachel saying she's just got to avoid kissing Korvus jumps readily to mind, though I remember there being more. It just seems in poor taste.
You're joking, right?

[Brian M.]

I enjoyed the issue, but felt that it offered to many snide remarks at Brubaker's run. Rachel saying she's just got to avoid kissing Korvus jumps readily to mind, though I remember there being more. It just seems in poor taste.

Yea...I kinda got the feeling too. But hey, I guess it's ok to knock Bru's run, aslong as Brubaker keeps his mouth shut about other folks run...:rolleyes:

[Cayman]

It's Craig Kyle that's the snide one!

[Hi-Fi]

Er... Bru pratically assigned Chris Yost to this project. He's not knocking at his run at all. If breaking Rachel and Korvus off is a sign of poor taste for you guys, I don't wanna know what's a sign of good taste.

[Brian M.]

Er... Bru pratically assigned Chris Yost to this project. He's not knocking at his run at all. If breaking Rachel and Korvus off is a sign of poor taste for you guys, I don't wanna know what's a sign of good taste.

Obviously that information, if known, would have negated any assumption at digs to Bru's run.

[Hi-Fi]

Obviously that information, if known, would have negated any assumption at digs to Bru's run.
Well, I don't know if that happens for a fact, but Bru did say a long time ago at a comics conference that he'd like to see Chris Yost writing this next chapter.

[jarrod]

I don't see any "diggs" though... Bru's setup to the Rachel/Korvus romance was that neither really understood it and they basically couldn't control themselves. Yost using that to have Ray distance herself from it makes logical sense, he's basically just de-Austinizing the relationship and restoring Ray's functioning brain. ;)

[kate-pryde]

I don't see any "diggs" though... Bru's setup to the Rachel/Korvus romance was that neither really understood it and they basically couldn't control themselves. Yost using that to have Ray distance herself from it makes logical sense, he's basically just de-Austinizing the relationship and restoring Ray's functioning brain. ;)

Exactly. The Rachel/Korvus relationship deserves to have pot-shots taken at it, since it made no sense and was horrible.

Using humor to poke fun at plot elements that don't make a lot of sense is a technique that Joss Whedon uses a lot. It seems to work.

[Joe Acro]

Er... Bru pratically assigned Chris Yost to this project. He's not knocking at his run at all. If breaking Rachel and Korvus off is a sign of poor taste for you guys, I don't wanna know what's a sign of good taste.I don't think Brubaker assigning him to the project would automatically stop Yost from making any kind of "diggs". They might be playful, but they seem out of place. And I'm not saying that breaking off Rachel and Korvus was a bad idea, that one line just seemed like a funny remark related to fan complaints.

Exactly. The Rachel/Korvus relationship deserves to have pot-shots taken at it, since it made no sense and was horrible.

Using humor to poke fun at plot elements that don't make a lot of sense is a technique that Joss Whedon uses a lot. It seems to work.The relationship did make sense, but wasn't fully explained. I understood it, at least.

And Whedon's more subtle about it.

[AnthonyJ]

IThe relationship did make sense, but wasn't fully explained. I understood it, at least.
Well, assuming the explanation was mind control and Korvus was a villian, it made sense. Otherwise, no, it didn't make sense.

[Daithi]

And I'm not saying that breaking off Rachel and Korvus was a bad idea, that one line just seemed like a funny remark related to fan complaints.

Much like Brubaker making a funny remark about Emma and Scott's mind sessions during his run?

I don't see the big deal.

[Pach!]

LOL.

I think you guys are reading too much into it.

[Chris Yost]

No digs. Just a line, which is truth - she's having a hard time keeping from making out with Korvus. Ed Brubaker rules.

[Pach!]

And there you go.

[Askani's Flame]

Thanks Chris, this series is off to a great start!!

[Joe Acro]

No digs. Just a line, which is truth - she's having a hard time keeping from making out with Korvus. Ed Brubaker rules.
Well that clears that up. I'll shut up now.

[Michael Sean]

No digs. Just a line, which is truth - she's having a hard time keeping from making out with Korvus. Ed Brubaker rules.

Hey Chris,

Any chance for a Jean/White Phoenix cameo in Emperor Vulcan. You'd think she would at least appear to Rachel. Afterall the Shiar killed Jean's family. They were alternate versions of Rachel's family.

Vulcan does have the M'Kraan Crystal now and isn't Jean currently in the White Hot Room which is inside the M'Kraan Crystal?

You would think now that Rachel has this blue shadow spark of the Phoenix that she would either sense Jean's Phoenix Egg on the moon or the presence of Jean as White Phoenix in the M'Kraan Crystal.

Jean is also suppose to be collecting the pieces of the Phoenix so shouldn't she have to come back to get the pieces that Rachel and Korvus have?

[Chris Yost]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.

[Hi-Fi]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.
I hope Rogue's in the Top Five. For your safety. :mad:

[caney]

I hope Rogue's in the Top Five. For your safety. :mad:

Well obviously his #1 is Iceman. Everyone loves themselves some Bobby Drake! Everyone who's cool that is!

Maybe Rogue is #2?

And Iceman should make an appearance in New X-Men. With some lines. Cause I know Kyle and Yost would write an awesome Bobby. Please... ? :o

[Brett P]

I can't believe this was Yost...it was so boring!

I swear Havoc, Polaris and Rachel don't have a personality between them!

And Havoc's "Ohhh whoa is me, I'm not much of a man" was SO forced.

Also, Chodus isn't funny. Was he always a jokester? It doesn't seem to fit but then I only saw him on TAS...

I liked X-Men TAS in space but I'm quickly learning I don't like it in comics. Especially featuring my three least favourite X-Men...

[Slung]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.

Could you please bring her back then yesterday? :) I know I (and her fanbase) would really appreciate it.

By the way Chris, digging the Vulcan mini so far. I will admit to being skeptical at the concept - but the first issue knocked it out of the park. I haven't seen Lorna written so well in years. And can you steal Skottie Young back for New X-Men - loving his work on it.

[Omega Alpha]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Mitteloss]

I swear Havoc, Polaris and Rachel don't have a personality between them!

Also, Chodus isn't funny.

They all have personalities. Havok is a strong and studious leader, despite this he's insecure and modest, in oher words, he doesn't think too much of himself, but he doesn't whine about it anymore.

Polaris has been portrayed differentley nearly each time over the years. This time, she's capable, understanding and caring, she's also a bit humourous. Like a big sister of sorts. But she has to be that way to support the Starjammers.

Rachel is just very emotional, moody, feisty and determined. Out of the three, she clearly has the biggest personality.

All great characters.

Oh, and you also have to remember is that they are in space, in a middle of war, bored and it's only issue one.

And who's Chodus? :confused:

[Joe Acro]

And who's Chodus? :confused:I believe they meant "Ch'od". And yes, he's supposed to at least be humorous.

[jmc247]

I agree with Polaris in this issue, she should kick Havok's ass hard.

[Brian M.]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.

I will never ever ever wish anything bad on Pixie ever again. Ever.

[Brian M.]

I hope Rogue's in the Top Five. For your safety. :mad:

If she's not, I'll be happy to protect him from your rage.

[Brett P]

They all have personalities. Havok is a strong and studious leader, despite this he's insecure and modest, in oher words, he doesn't think too much of himself, but he doesn't whine about it anymore.

He doesn't whine about it anymore? He did it TWICE in this issue alone! "I'm just one man. And not much of one at that." AWFUL! Who would even say that?! It was so out of context especially since he'd just been congratulated on what he was doing. WHINER!

And who's Chodus? :confused:

I believe they meant "Ch'od". And yes, he's supposed to at least be humorous.

Yes "we" (:p ) did indeed mean Ch'od. Just called him chodus for an immature little nickname 'cos he didn't amuse me.

[kate-pryde]

And who's Chodus? :confused:

Chodus could be a nickname for the Ch'od/Korvus relationship. But I prefer Ch'vus or Kor'od.

If Korvus returns to earth with the others, and is now attracted to gay green lizard-like creatures, I fear for Anole. :eek:

[Brett P]

Chodus could be a nickname for the Ch'od/Korvus relationship. But I prefer Ch'vus or Kor'od.

No Chodus really works for that shipping 'cos of the amusing parallel with the size of the Phoenix blade!

If Korvus returns to earth with the others, and is now attracted to gay green lizard-like creatures, I fear for Anole. :eek:

Oh good lord...

[Toboe]

I will never ever ever wish anything bad on Pixie ever again. Ever.

He said Jean's his third favorite.

Pixie is the first. :D

[Chris Yost]

Actually, Cyclops is. Havok is second.

[Brian M.]

Actually, Cyclops is. Havok is second.

...:eek: ...Good freaking lord...will...will you take over Astonishing? Please? Please? Don't worry about Ellis...I can make him disappear, good chance I'm bigger than he is. If I hadn't already promised my soul to Jeff Parker and First Class...I'd give it to you. Just one question:

Scott/Jean or Scott/Emma?

[w00tmaster93]

ch'od/korvus/anole love triangle...that would be interesting

[Polaris Rocks]

Actually, Cyclops is. Havok is second.

Chris, I was wondering how far ahead do you have to write comics to get them in on time. Meaning do you have to have Vulcan #4 done now to get it in by December?

[Chris Yost]

I've heard of this 'ahead of schedule' thing, but no. Not me. The entire series was plotted out, but issue 4 has not been started. We're ahead on Messiah Complex, but that's because it was started radically early. I've never figured out how many weeks before street date I start a script - but I assume it's last minute.

And Scott/Jean all the way.

[Brian M.]

I've heard of this 'ahead of schedule' thing, but no. Not me. The entire series was plotted out, but issue 4 has not been started.

And Scott/Jean all the way.

Anyone says anything bad about Mr. Yost here and I'll cut you.

[CmX]

I re-read this last night a lot slower and enjoyed it better. I just hope this mini puts some closure to this dragged out plot.

[Brett P]

Anyone says anything bad about Mr. Yost here and I'll cut you.

You can borrow Pixies Soul Dagger!

I re-read this last night a lot slower and enjoyed it better. I just hope this mini puts some closure to this dragged out plot.

LOL I read that as "I re-read this last night in the shower" haha!

Maybe I should go back and re-read.

And yeah "Rise & Fall" definately killed some of the magic of Deadly Genesis...just a bit too long.

I don't see any problem with plots being long term and I wouldn't call this "dragged out" - just too many issues focusing on it in a row in the last storyline.

[Brian M.]

You can borrow Pixies Soul Dagger!



LOL I read that as "I re-read this last night in the shower" haha!

Maybe I should go back and re-read.

And yeah "Rise & Fall" definately killed some of the magic of Deadly Genesis...just a bit too long.

I don't see any problem with plots being long term and I wouldn't call this "dragged out" - just too many issues focusing on it in a row in the last storyline.


Pixie deserves a special spot on the O5 book that will come after MC.

[frog]

Mr. Yost, tell Brian he should adore Pixie! ;)

[Brian M.]

Mr. Yost, tell Brian he should adore Pixie! ;)

I do. I love Pixie. She has great taste in heros. Pixie should gut Surge and lead the team.

[Brett P]

I do. I love Pixie. She has great taste in heros. Pixie should gut Surge and lead the team.

Just last week you were back to hating her!

SKRULL!!

[Brian M.]

Just last week you were back to hating her!

SKRULL!!

That was before I realized the writer had great taste in characters. I figure if someone who likes 3 of the best characters ever is pushing Pixie...he must be on to something. So I'll just on board.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

That was before I realized the writer had great taste in characters. I figure if someone who likes 3 of the best characters ever is pushing Pixie...he must be on to something. So I'll just on board.

The hell?

At least hate someone more than a straight week. :D

[Brian M.]

The hell?

At least hate someone more than a straight week. :D

Back off man!!! JUST BACK OFF!!! My Pixie hate had a good run, but I've seen the light.

[Slung]

I've heard of this 'ahead of schedule' thing, but no. Not me. The entire series was plotted out, but issue 4 has not been started. We're ahead on Messiah Complex, but that's because it was started radically early. I've never figured out how many weeks before street date I start a script - but I assume it's last minute.

And Scott/Jean all the way.
Mr. Yost...please take over a core book and save us all. As much as I don't want Jean to shack up with Scott right away (the man committed adultery), I still think you have good taste in couples. ;)!

[Fatguy]

Back off man!!! JUST BACK OFF!!! My Pixie hate had a good run, but I've seen the light.

lol seriously, Skrull Moranor.

Yost is awesome, but where did your sack go???

[ClanAskani]

Actually, Cyclops is. Havok is second.
And Scott/Jean all the way.

Chris Yost is now my favorite current X-book writer!

[Lombardo!]

i've been thinking about picking this up since it came out -- someone convince me?

i've read the first few pages of this thread - and i'm seeing no Raza love. TELL me Raza features?

Anyway, yeah. get convincin'!

[Brian M.]

i've been thinking about picking this up since it came out -- someone convince me?

i've read the first few pages of this thread - and i'm seeing no Raza love. TELL me Raza features?

Anyway, yeah. get convincin'!

Raza is there and kicks a lot of ass.

[GoingGreen]

@Yost: where does Polaris stand in your fave's list?

[jarrod]

I think Yost needs to bite the bullet and just give us his all time top 10 list of X-Men. :D

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Cyke and than Alex, eh? Nice.

[Chris Yost]

1 Cyclops
2 Havok
3 Jean Grey
4 Mammomax
5 Maggot
6 Stacey X
7 Paulie Provenzano
8 'Joseph'
9 Bird Boy
10 All of Cadre K

[GoingGreen]

You're strange...


...But my heart beats for you anyway.

[Slung]

1 Cyclops
2 Havok
3 Jean Grey
4 Mammomax
5 Maggot
6 Stacey X
7 Paulie Provenzano
8 'Joseph'
9 Bird Boy
10 All of Cadre K
Well...as long as Jean is in the top three I still like you :).

(Although, maybe being a "fav" is nota good thing - you did kill off Mammomax).

[Henry T.]

Jean Grey is my third favorite X-Man.

Thats awesome. Its great to know that many of the creators these days like Jean Grey (and seem to understand her). You, Mike Carey, and Brubaker all seem to like and understand Jean Grey. Of course Claremont likes and understands her too.

I just wish they would bring her back because I know you guys could do some really great things with her.

It would be a shame if Jean was brought back after some of you left. :(

Jean Grey as Phoenix is one of my favorite characters and to me Claremont's and Morrison's interpretation of the Phoenix have been the best by far. And its great that creators are using and building upon these versions.

Theres so much to explore with Jean's White Phoenix of the Crown identity. She has been shown briefly to be a White Phoenix in Classic X-Men #43 backstory, New X-Men #154, and Phoenix Endsong #5. X-Men Forever #3 did too but it was Jean reliving the Classic #43 experience.

Classic #42 showed Jean with the Phoenix in her mind as a 11/12 year old and thats never been explored either.

She needs to react to her family's massacre, Scott being with Emma because she pushed him, Rachel, that First Foursaken dude, and so much more.

It looks like Jean may make a cameo appearance in your What If Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire book. It looks like Vulcan encounters the Phoenix Corp.

If she does appear, I hope we can count it as the real 616 Jean because shouldn't White Phoenix/Jean in any reality be the real Jean due to the nature of the M'Krann Crystal and the White Hot Room?

I wish they would have made the Jean in X-Men the End the real Jean too. They should have made it like Here Comes Tomorrow, where the real Jean wakes up in and experiences a possible future reality.

Anyways, I wouldn't mind Scott and Jean getting back together as long as Jean still has the cool attitude she had during Revolution and New X-Men and Scott had his cool attitude from Eve of Destruction, New X-Men, and Astonishing.

I heard there was an interview with you, Carey, and Brubaker in Wizard where you all agree that Jean should never have been retconned out of being Phoenix/Dark Phoenix and y'all agree to pretty much ignore that retcon. Thats awesome too!

But Claremont's Classic X-Men backstories (8,42,43), Morrison's New X-Men, and Pak's Phoenix Endsong (especially 5) basically establish that Jean Grey was/is Phoenix and was the original Phoenix/Dark Phoenix character. Its a part of her mutation, consciousness, and destiny. The replacements are not literal and the cocoon was a Phoenix Egg and a natural part of her life cycle.

So all they need to do is have Jean and/or the other characters reflect on how they thought Jean wasn't Phoenix for a while but now they know the truth that she was. Poor Jean was just in major denial for a while.

[Lombardo!]

1 Cyclops
2 Havok
3 Jean Grey
4 Mammomax
5 Maggot
6 Stacey X
7 Paulie Provenzano
8 'Joseph'
9 Bird Boy
10 All of Cadre K

Yeah, share that Maggot-love around!

[Lombardo!]

Raza is there and kicks a lot of ass.

Heh, this post, along with me just recently re-reading the original Shi'Ar/Starjammers meeting (circa X-Men #107-ish), has got me hoping to pick Emperor Vulcan #1 up tomorrow.

[kate-pryde]

I was re-reading this issue today, and something keeps bugging me.

If Rachel still has the Deathmark, the Shi'ar should be able to track her and know where the Starjammers are at all times. Rachel knew before that that Shi'ar were tracking her, so maybe she was able to remove it after Korvus found her. But that hasn't been mentioned. Perhaps that is how Vulcan found the Starjammers at the end of the issue, but then that's a mistake on Rachel's part to allow the Shi'ar to track her.

[Oliverhannah]

They should write Adam X-Treme!

Vulcan Vs Adam X-Treme!

[Daithi]

If Rachel still has the Deathmark, the Shi'ar should be able to track her and know where the Starjammers are at all times. Rachel knew before that that Shi'ar were tracking her, so maybe she was able to remove it after Korvus found her. But that hasn't been mentioned. Perhaps that is how Vulcan found the Starjammers at the end of the issue, but then that's a mistake on Rachel's part to allow the Shi'ar to track her.


I'l try and no prize this. As far I can remember Rachel knows when she is being tracked. As the Secret Order was behind the branding perhaps they have not shared this knowledge with Vulcan and they aren't tracking Rachel?

[Askani's Flame]

I'l try and no prize this. As far I can remember Rachel knows when she is being tracked. As the Secret Order was behind the branding perhaps they have not shared this knowledge with Vulcan and they aren't tracking Rachel?

I'm going with you on this Daithi. Rachel knew during the last arc when she was being tracked, like a feeling or a sense. It was only when Korvus got close and used the sword did it physically ail her.

I don't think Ray removed the brand. I just think that the Secret Order has a lot to deal with, Vulcan coming to power and D'Ken's death, so Rachel isn't a looming issue in their mind (but that is about to change it seems. . .) I doubt they would want to share this with Vulcan since his rule is not what they want.

[Daithi]

I don't think Ray removed the brand. I just think that the Secret Order has a lot to deal with, Vulcan coming to power and D'Ken's death, so Rachel isn't a looming issue in their mind (but that is about to change it seems. . .) I doubt they would want to share this with Vulcan since his rule is not what they want.

Well my idea about the whole secret order and ancient Phoenix blade, etc, etc was that it was a plan by the Secret Order all along. I don't get why they would send anything related to the Phoenix to attack Rachel knowing the link between the two of them.

Rachel could have been the orders weapon against Lilandra. They didn't reckon on Vulcan becoming leader (perhaps hoping Deathbird would be the sole ruler). Maybe Rachel is their weapon against Vulcan now?

[kate-pryde]

I'l try and no prize this. As far I can remember Rachel knows when she is being tracked. As the Secret Order was behind the branding perhaps they have not shared this knowledge with Vulcan and they aren't tracking Rachel?

That's possible.

The Secret Order may have their own agenda and aren't going to help Vulcan take out the Starjammers. But it doesn't seem like they'd be for Lilandra’s side, seeing that they were part of the coup against her, so it would be unlikely that they would withhold that information from Vulcan, especially if it seemed like Lilandra was going to win.

Unless Rachel knows that the Secret Order isn't on Vulcan's side, wouldn't she be concerned she was endangering the others with her presence?

Rachel could have been the orders weapon against Lilandra. They didn't reckon on Vulcan becoming leader (perhaps hoping Deathbird would be the sole ruler). Maybe Rachel is their weapon against Vulcan now?

But the Secret Order is now facing one pissed off Rachel coming after them, and supporting Lilandra who would know Lilandra didn't order the attack.

Why wouldn't the Secret Order want to use the Imperial Guard to take her out? Unless they're hoping that Vulcan, the Imperial Guard, the Starjammers, and Lilandra all kill each other and they're left as the last standing. But that's taking the risk that Vulcan doesn't get pissed off at the Secret Order and kill all of them himself.

[Daithi]

Unless Rachel knows that the Secret Order isn't on Vulcan's side, wouldn't she be concerned she was endangering the others with her presence?


True, but then she does know when she's been tracked which could be handy for misleading the order?


But the Secret Order is now facing one pissed off Rachel coming after them, and supporting Lilandra who would know Lilandra didn't order the attack.


But if the Blue Phoenix Echo of doom was something they infected Rachel with they might be able to control her. I'm not hoping for another mind control Rachel story but it would fit in with the story. It would explain why the Death Commando's didn't kill her but branded her instead.

Of course this is all speculation but fun speculation.


But that's taking the risk that Vulcan doesn't get pissed off at the Secret Order and kill all of them himself.

He only knows about Araki though doesn't he?

[kate-pryde]

I wonder whether or not Alex and Lorna are aware that the Shi'ar could potentially be tracking Rachel with the brand on her back. Xavier seemed surprised when Rachel told him that in Uncanny 479. Alex and Lorna weren't around for Grey's End.

I hope Rachel isn't mind-controlled again. That could explain what's going on, after her whole "I'll never be controlled again" line in the first Excalibur, it's getting to be a nearly monthly occurance. It would make sense that there was a much larger plot with the Secret Order sending Korvus to infiltrate the X-Men & Starjammers, and the Blue Phoenix shadow echo is corrupting or controling Rachel, but that's a bit of a cop out to have her mind-controlled for the millionth time.

[Polaris Rocks]

I hope Rachel isn't mind-controlled again. That could explain what's going on, after her whole "I'll never be controlled again" line in the first Excalibur, it's getting to be a nearly monthly occurance.

Its interesting that both Lorna and Rachel suffer being mind controlled by evil all the time. I think it is just what writers do to them when they can't figure out what else to do.

[kate-pryde]

Its interesting that both Lorna and Rachel suffer being mind controlled by evil all the time. I think it is just what writers do to them when they can't figure out what else to do.

Well, mind control would at least explain why Rachel has been acting so ridiculously with Korvus, and one can argue that Rachel's overly-susceptible to it due to her Hound programming at an early age.

But it's strange how it's only the female characters that seem to get mind-controlled ad nauseum. :rolleyes:

[AnthonyJ]

But it's strange how it's only the female characters that seem to get mind-controlled ad nauseum. :rolleyes:
Professor X has a fair number of incidents of being controlled by one or another evil force, and there's a number of plotlines which involve many people being mind controlled. Which is not to say that the prevailing pattern isn't that female characters get mind controlled more often.

[Lombardo!]

boy did i love this issue

maybe it's because i reread the original Starjammers appearances before picking it up. but maybe it's because it was just frickin' great.

fast-paced, impending sense of doom with the Scy-Tal - yet intrigue as to their reasons, Ch'od and Raza weren't just given backseats to the X-Men (well, not immensely, but they got cool lines here and there).

i even didn't mind Havok's costume as much as i usually do. but i still think he needs some sort of makeover, and has needed so, for a long long long long long time. maybe something like Madrox - he used to have a full bodied suit, but not he just gets around in a shirt with his old symbol on it.

not saying i want to lose Havok's suit's purpose - his powers need to be kept in check, definately. i just think the full-bodied suit is a bit much these days - his face is the only thing not covered in black - he'd be sweating up a storm in there

but yeah great issue. took the whole 12 issues of Bru's arc and just ran with it in a couple of pages

[jarrod]

Professor X has a fair number of incidents of being controlled by one or another evil force, and there's a number of plotlines which involve many people being mind controlled. Which is not to say that the prevailing pattern isn't that female characters get mind controlled more often.
I'd say it's also likely in part because the ladies are generally more powerful and versatile too... when doing a "X-Man versus X-Men" bit, it helps if the mind controlled character is scary powerful and capable (a la Jean, Lorna, Betsy, Rachel, Karima, etc).

[jmc247]

I'd say it's also likely in part because the ladies are generally more powerful and versatile too... when doing a "X-Man versus X-Men" bit, it helps if the mind controlled character is scary powerful and capable (a la Jean, Lorna, Betsy, Rachel, Karima, etc).

While not a member of the X-Men, Wanda suffers from the same problem.

[Polaris Rocks]

In one week we get Emperor Vulcan 2. While I am excited I don't think it will really heat up until 3rd issue onword.

[Askani's Flame]

In one week we get Emperor Vulcan 2. While I am excited I don't think it will really heat up until 3rd issue onword.

I can barely wait for next week! This mini is rockin my world right now.