Who is Mutant Zero? An X-Woman?

[protogarrett]

We've been told that Mutant Zero is a female mutant who has graced many covers and even people who don't follow comics will know who it is when they see her.

Considering all that, I figure it has to be a famous X-Woman or female mutant villain. Jean is dead (hopefully), Storm I just don't see as a gun toting super soldier, Polaris is in space, and Emma just doesn't fit the part of a government weapon. Mystique is doing evil with Sinister. Most of the other female mutants aren't as well known.

It leaves minor characters or characters who just aren't gun toting super fast/strong/tactical soldiers. I doubt Lifegaurd, Marrow, Reyes, or Husk are it...

So who is it? Any ideas?

(Wouldn't it be a riot if we find out it's someone like Blindfold? I think it would be so stupid, it would be awesome.)

[ExodusCloak]

Did they say it's an X-Women? I have my money on Typhoid Mary.

[protogarrett]

Did they say it's an X-Women? I have my money on Typhoid Mary.

No, they said it was a famous female mutant who has been on plenty of covers and easily recognized by the general public.

[ExodusCloak]

No, they said it was a famous female mutant who has been on plenty of covers and easily recognized by the general public.

I'd go with someone from the X-Movies...Typhoid Mary was in the Elektra movie but that Typhoid had different powers.

[Petes Pants]

OMG it's Ronnie Lake!

[jarrod]

Wanda? I dunno, everyone seems more or less accounted for. :/

[Sentinel K]

Did they say it's an X-Women? I have my money on Typhoid Mary.

Same here.

[Red Lotus]

Did they say it's an X-Women? I have my money on Typhoid Mary.

No they didn't, but Dan did say she was under the control of the X-editors and he had to go to them first.

[The Lucky One]

Firestar?

Anyone who watched Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends will recognize her, and she's certainly graced many covers. Though I didn't think the X-office had control of her.

-D

[Mikl C]

I will be upset if it is Firestar.
:(
She isn't like that.

[The Lucky One]

I will be upset if it is Firestar.
:(
She isn't like that.

No, she isn't... but given what the Initiative's already done, I doubt they're above brainwashing her. Didn't Gyrich brainwash Nomad into becoming Scourge for a while in Thunderbolts?

Of course, it wouldn't explain why they didn't have her using her powers.

-D

[Porcelain]

Oh the hilarity if it were Jean...

[CaptainCanada]

Firestar wouldn't have been under the control of the X-editors.

I honestly have no idea who it is. A lot of people say Jean, but it being her would make no sense (especially since she's never demonstrated any of the abilities Mutant Zero has).

[protogarrett]

Top Best Picks Becuase They Would Be the Absolutley Worst Choice, allowing for eyerolling hilarity to ensue:
1) Jean
2) Blindfold
3) Pixie
4) C. Reyes
5) Apocalypse

[ExodusCloak]

Does anyone know if Squirrel Girl is in the O.N.E Files? And if she is do you know what threat level she's assigned?

[MartinRedmond]

Probably that Mystique moron.

[HellFrost]

Does anyone know if Squirrel Girl is in the O.N.E Files? And if she is do you know what threat level she's assigned?

She is in the ONE Files but I can't remember what threat she was.

At first I thought maybe Black Cat or Elsa Bloodstone but now I think it may be Ravanche...

[Porcelain]

Deus Ex and not a single mention of Sage? (though public recognition low & she must be recorded)

If she's not recorded, she has to be:
a) Presumed dead
b) Drastically altered in some not-too-visual way

I wish it were EVA, but not exactly high-recognition or a lot of covers.

For those who like to play the guessing game: http://www.comicvine.com/characters/&gId=2&oId=1&l=n


edit: Revanche passed through my mind but she fails on the clues (high-rec, covers etc)

[HellFrost]

Deus Ex and not a single mention of Sage? (though public recognition low & she must be recorded)

If she's not recorded, she has to be:
a) Presumed dead
b) Drastically altered in some not-too-visual way

I wish it were EVA, but not exactly high-recognition or a lot of covers.

For those who like to play the guessing game: http://www.comicvine.com/characters/&gId=2&oId=1&l=n


edit: Revanche passed through my mind but she fails on the clues (high-rec, covers etc)

I would think Revanche because she's been on cover when Betsy was in her own body and when they switched. Plus, people who don't follow the comics regularly should be able to recognize her psionic Katana.

I thought Black Cat for similar reason's but I'm not sure if she was depowered or not, plus, she's with the Heroes for Hire right now... although when was the last time Marvel truly cared about continuity as long as they get to shock people.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

If we're talking somebody who even non-comic-readers will recognise then I think we're going to have to assume this goes back to the 60s or 70s series. Possibly even earlier. Somebody actually Iconic, rather than semi-naked in the 1990s. You know? An iconic Marvel character, rather than an X-Man.

It will not be anybody more modern. Chronologically it wouldn't fit.

[HellFrost]

If we're talking somebody who even non-comic-readers will recognise then I think we're going to have to assume this goes back to the 60s or 70s series. Possibly even earlier. Somebody actually Iconic, rather than semi-naked in the 1990s. You know?

It will not be anybody more modern. Chronologically it wouldn't fit.

In Europe, Psylocke was introduced in the early 1980's and mid 80's in America. Revanche was introduced in the early 90's. Psylocke, in her own body, was never remotely semi-naked. Revanche wore that one leggy outfit, and then switched to a full body outfit until her death.

No body ever said non-comic-readers. They said, "People who don't follow the books regularly."

[Don Quixote]

Does anyone know if Squirrel Girl is in the O.N.E Files? And if she is do you know what threat level she's assigned?

Threat Level: General, unless you're Deadpool.

My first thought was Psylocke, going from the character's actions. But it can't be, because she's in the 198 Files, and she currently in another book.

If it's Revanche, then it's a dumb story. She's dead, and was never someone highly recognisable. And not dead in an ambiguous way. Legacy Virus, buried in Japan with no eyes dead. Actually, thinking about the dumbness of it, it probably is her.

I doubt it's Jean. If she was going to reappear, it'd be far more high profile than Avengers: Initiative.

[Gibbering Fool]

I'm still leaning toward Typhoid Mary. She's never been stated in comics to be a mutant but its never been stated she's not a mutant either. She merely has powers without explanation. Also:


She has a recognisable face (half white/half normal tone)
She's appeared on many Daredevil covers
She's crazy
She has multiple names
Her telapathy would allow her to skip the mission breifs
She's not in the 198 files (because of her unclear status)


Just a note; Slott never said she'd be recognisable to non comic readers, he said she'd be recognisable to people who don't regularly read comics. Implying that you have to had read some comics to recognise her.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

In Europe, Psylocke was introduced in the early 1980's and mid 80's in America. Revanche was introduced in the early 90's. Psylocke, in her own body, was never remotely semi-naked. Revanche wore that one leggy outfit, and then switched to a full body outfit until her death.

No body ever said non-comic-readers. They said, "People who don't follow the books regularly."

Ah, fair enough.

And what made you thing I was talking about Betsy? I was more getting at the fact that EVERYbody was less clothed if they were female in the early 90s. It was the mood of the time, art wise.

I just think that if we're talking about 'Mutant Zero' we need to think back a lot further than the 80s. The 60s and 70s even. And it needs to be an icon.

[Porcelain]

Original poster said people don't follow comics. Revanche is obscure, I'd even argue that pre-ninja Psylocke is obscure outside of the X-world. I wouldn't quantify her cover appearances as many either.

The kind of cut-through the clues seems to be stating suggests a heavy hitter. Have a feeling though it's slight unobvious. Someone well recognised but not thought of primarily as a mutant.

I guess, Pryor should be thrown out there - but that would be so wrong. Mystique would have made more sense, except she's elsewhere & probably recorded, Firestar does too but feels odd (plus she's recorded right?).

edit: missed the Slott quote, but I still think Revanche is too out there.

[protogarrett]

Revanche seems like an awful big stretch... Are there any big female villains I'm missing besides Emma (former villain) and Mystique? Joanna Cargill?

Wouldn't it just suck if it's Scarlet Witch? I mean really... that would suck hard.

[Don Quixote]

I'm just going to say Bella Donna, for no other reason than she's apparently unconfirmed and has the skills Mutant X has demonstrated.

I know she doesn't meet the criteria, but that's not stopped other people from coming up with candidates.

[Beast]

It's Aurora. Why do you think her and Northstar are under embargo, and Carey can't use them.

[HellFrost]

Maybe it's either a character that was never explained as a mutant before, or a character that never had any powers at all and developed a latent mutation.

[HellFrost]

It's Aurora. Why do you think her and Northstar are under embargo, and Carey can't use them.

Carey can't use them? I wouldn't mind it being Aurora. Although is she recognizeable. She did cross my mind.

[Quarterwolf]

I would almost say Calisto. But I think for the multiple names maybe it could be M. She went by M and Penance.

Or maybe Copycat from X-Force. She has imitated many people and has the skills.

Either way I have a feeling it will be someone totally stupid who makes no sence.

[Beast]

Carey can't use them? I wouldn't mind it being Aurora. Although is she recognizeable. She did cross my mind.
Nope. He planned to use them in the current arc leading up to Messiah Complex, but said he couldn't because they're under embargo for something else. Aurora's speed powers would also explain how she took out all of Hulk's mooks so fast in the last issue of Avengers: The Initative. It would make sense on some level with those facts, but that probably just means that it's not her. But eh, who knows.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Threnody please.

[HellFrost]

I would almost say Calisto. But I think for the multiple names maybe it could be M. She went by M and Penance.

Or maybe Copycat from X-Force. She has imitated many people and has the skills.

Either way I have a feeling it will be someone totally stupid who makes no sence.

That's true. I'm sure it will be some dumb... Copycat is an interesting twist.

I don't think it will be M inthe normal sense, but maybe her twin sister's are Mutant Zero.

I still think that Revanche is an option. Didn't Mutant Zero use a Katana?;)

[Quarterwolf]

That's true. I'm sure it will be some dumb... Copycat is an interesting twist.

I don't think it will be M inthe normal sense, but maybe her twin sister's are Mutant Zero.

I still think that Revanche is an option. Didn't Mutant Zero use a Katana?;)
Plus the twins were M, Emplate and Penance. Could they be using autistic twins as a killing machine? How evil. Perfect for the initiative.

[Affinity]

WHAAAT

Who are we talking about?!

[PatchMadripoor]

Since almost all of Sinister's clones kept their powers....

Madelyne Pryor, in her latest form resurrection.

if her speed, enhanced strength and ability to move easily on walls and ceilings via her telekenisis and her telepathic abilities would be replaced/retrained instead for combat.

something akin to Psylocke's capabilities when her TK backed her actual physical attacks.

[Faded]

I think its Revanche, simply because she fits the clues in rather vague ways.

I don't think its Aurora or Firestar simply because they are already accounted for in the 198.

[Faded]

WHAAAT

Who are we talking about?!

Someone in the Avengers: Initiative is said to be 'Mutant Zero' who is like...the 199th mutant out of 300ish. LOL, I can't describe.

[Slung]

Jean is dead (hopefully), Storm I just don't see as a gun toting super soldier, Polaris is in space, and Emma just doesn't fit the part of a government weapon. Mystique is doing evil with Sinister. Most of the other female mutants aren't as well known.


Top Best Picks Becuase They Would Be the Absolutley Worst Choice, allowing for eyerolling hilarity to ensue:
1) Jean
2) Blindfold
3) Pixie
4) C. Reyes
5) Apocalypse

Oh the hilarity if it were Jean...
Now, I'm not saying that it SHOULD be Jean, but why the Jean hate? Its not like every other dead character hasn't been resurrected in the last two years. I mean, Cable didn't even let grass grow on his grave - and he's died and resurrected as many times as Jean.

I think it would be a pretty unusual and out-of-the-box return for Marvel's favorite redhead. Not sure I'd dig it, but it certainly would be unexpected. I mean, as much as Jean is being thrown out there - no one REALLY thinks it could be Jean. Its just so far fetched. And Jean is an underdog in the editorial offices currently. So, it would be shocking.

[Novaya Havoc]

Mutant Zero is clearly Selene.

[Stagier]

two separate threads on this sweet jesus.

i wonder if slott will tell us if someone HAS guessed it already...

edit: was silverclaw a mutant?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Maybe it's either a character that was never explained as a mutant before, or a character that never had any powers at all and developed a latent mutation.

That sounds a lot more plausible.

Mutant Zero is clearly Selene.

Chronologically that would make the most sense. And she has been shown as active recently.

[Your Imaginary Pal]

Domino
Yeah why not?

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Domino
Yeah why not?

Domina?

Now that would piss a few people off...:D

[Chiasm]

Mutant Zero is clearly Selene.

Exactly who I was going to say.

Not to mention that the whole name mutant zero implies old (first) and Selene is very old.

[The Mirrorball Man]

Mutant Zero is clearly Lady Diana.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Mutant Zero is clearly Lady Diana.

Milligan tried that. He got vetoed. ;)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Now, I'm not saying that it SHOULD be Jean, but why the Jean hate? Its not like every other dead character hasn't been resurrected in the last two years. I mean, Cable didn't even let grass grow on his grave - and he's died and resurrected as many times as Jean.

I think it would be a pretty unusual and out-of-the-box return for Marvel's favorite redhead. Not sure I'd dig it, but it certainly would be unexpected. I mean, as much as Jean is being thrown out there - no one REALLY thinks it could be Jean. Its just so far fetched. And Jean is an underdog in the editorial offices currently. So, it would be shocking.

Save Jean's return for Uncanny #500 or something. Not for this..it should someone who needs the push.

[Claret & Blue]

What about Spiderwoman?

[The Mirrorball Man]

Milligan tried that. He got vetoed. ;)

That's what they wanted us to think! :cool:

[The Sword Is Drawn]

What about Spiderwoman?

Which one? ;)

That's what they wanted us to think! :cool:

Aaaaaah. It's all becoming clear, now...:D

[Dagger]

Oh, I would do untold naughty things for Slott if it were Revanche! Please let it be so!

[ExodusCloak]

Exactly who I was going to say.

Not to mention that the whole name mutant zero implies old (first) and Selene is very old.

Selene is in the 198 Files...and it doesn't make sense for to be a Government grunt work person...she's like Emma. They just don't do grunt work.

[protogarrett]

Lila Cheney. (I think I spelled that right.) Domino is also plausible. As for Jean hate, it's not hate, it's just that she's dead again. Let her get cold first before we revive her again.

[rilokyle]

I bet it will be Poundcakes.

[Karl H]

Isn't Selene technically charging around with Wither?

[Karl H]

Oh, I would do untold naughty things for Slott if it were Revanche! Please let it be so!

Fits in with the whole 'covers' bit and recognition I guess.

[Dagger]

Fits in with the whole 'covers' bit and recognition I guess.
That would make me so very, very happy if it were so. She's like, in my top 5 x-women of all time.

[Flâneur]

Ok, this is all the clues to her identity so far:
Mutant Zero is female.
Mutant Zero is a mutant who is not part of the 198 but retained powers following M-day.
Mutant Zero has had a previous connection to the X-office.
Mutant Zero has been excluded from appearing as a mutant in the X-books for the moment.
Mutant Zero has had multiple names - however this does not necessarily mean multiple superhero/villian names.
Mutant Zero is currently mentally unstable.
Mutant Zero is perceived by Gyrich to be a less powerful weapon than Trauma as of the beginning of The Initiative #5.
Mutant Zero is a high profile character who should be known by irregular X-book readers (not people who never read comics), possibly even appeared on a cover.
Mutant Zero possesses martial arts skills, it is unknown if these skills are new or not.

The people in the other Mutant Zero thread who insist it must be Wanda or Elektra (wtfbbq) make me cry.:(

That would make me so very, very happy if it were so. She's like, in my top 5 x-women of all time.
TBH, she makes more sense than anyone else.

[The Mirrorball Man]

She's Namorita, then.

[Flâneur]

She's Namorita, then.

When has she ever been under the authority of the X-office?

[The Mirrorball Man]

When has she ever been under the authority of the X-office?

Eight out of nine ain't bad. :p

[Flâneur]

Eight out of nine ain't bad. :p
And multiple names? High profile? At least you didn't say Elektra.:p

[Steven F.]

Edited for my pleasure

[MartinRedmond]

Ok so Jean's dead but they resurected Revanche?

[The Mirrorball Man]

And multiple names?
Namorita, or Nita Prentiss, a clone of Namora, was also called Kymaera. Yep, multiple names.

High profile?
There was a time when she was one of the main characters in the Namor series while being a very prominent member of the New Warriors. She dated Johnny Storm and was the co-ruler of Atlantis. Yes, high profile.

[Rick Summers]

Ok, this is all the clues to her identity so far:
Mutant Zero is female.
Mutant Zero is a mutant who is not part of the 198 but retained powers following M-day.
Mutant Zero has had a previous connection to the X-office.
Mutant Zero has been excluded from appearing as a mutant in the X-books for the moment.
Mutant Zero has had multiple names - however this does not necessarily mean multiple superhero/villian names.
Mutant Zero is currently mentally unstable.
Mutant Zero is perceived by Gyrich to be a less powerful weapon than Trauma as of the beginning of The Initiative #5.
Mutant Zero is a high profile character who should be known by irregular X-book readers (not people who never read comics), possibly even appeared on a cover.
Mutant Zero possesses martial arts skills, it is unknown if these skills are new or not.

The people in the other Mutant Zero thread who insist it must be Wanda or Elektra (wtfbbq) make me cry.:(


TBH, she makes more sense than anyone else.

A lot of that makes me think of Rogue but then other parts say it can't be. I'm stumped.

[The Lucky One]

Ok, this is all the clues to her identity so far:
Mutant Zero is female.
Mutant Zero is a mutant who is not part of the 198 but retained powers following M-day.
Mutant Zero has had a previous connection to the X-office.
Mutant Zero has been excluded from appearing as a mutant in the X-books for the moment.
Mutant Zero has had multiple names - however this does not necessarily mean multiple superhero/villian names.
Mutant Zero is currently mentally unstable.
Mutant Zero is perceived by Gyrich to be a less powerful weapon than Trauma as of the beginning of The Initiative #5.
Mutant Zero is a high profile character who should be known by irregular X-book readers (not people who never read comics), possibly even appeared on a cover.
Mutant Zero possesses martial arts skills, it is unknown if these skills are new or not.

I'm saying Dani. Yes, she appears (apparently powerless) in the Initiative now, training Trauma, but that might be a red herring. She's had many (many) names, she has martial arts skills, she was relatively high profile back in the 80s, she's been excluded from appearing as a mutant... but she also has a connection to the valkyries and freaky-ass death powers. With Thor's return, maybe other elements of Asgard are coming back and it's given Dani both A) new powers, and B) mental instability.

Or how 'bout this- Mutant Zero is actually Valkyrie (from the Defenders) sharing Dani's body. It fits with her MO (the Valkyrie persona possesses regular humans), it keeps the mutant connection and the need to get the X-Editors' approval, and if Dani is unaware that Val is sharing her body or is fighting it, I'd say that definitely fits under mental instability.

Okay... it's a long shot. But man, that'd be cool.

-D

[HellFrost]

Lucky One your brilliant. I think we all skipped over Dani because she's depowered. Now I don't know what to think.

It can be either one. Dani or Revanche. And I still say Revanche because let's not forget Mutant Zeros weapon of choice.;)

[Kid Icarus]

If its Dani I'll be a little peeved. She was kicked out of New X-men because she was depowered and we never heard from her again. She has legal custody over Josh Foley and especially if she was still a mutant you'd think she might drop in every once in a while.

[HellFrost]

If its Dani I'll be a little peeved. She was kicked out of New X-men because she was depowered and we never heard from her again. She has legal custody over Josh Foley and especially if she was still a mutant you'd think she might drop in every once in a while.

She might not have known she still had her powers. Iceman had placed a mental block on himself which prevented himself from using his own powers aswell aftr all. Plus, I'd like to have her back soon.

[caney]

She has legal custody over Josh Foley and especially if she was still a mutant you'd think she might drop in every once in a while.

Poor Josh. Everyone sucks at being his parent. :(

I wouldn't mind it being Dani, but I don't pick up The Initiative, so I'm kinda hoping it's someone I don't care about. Yeah, I'm selfish and cheap, I know!

[Gibbering Fool]

Originally Posted by Flâneur

Mutant Zero has had a previous connection to the X-office.
Where was this stated? I remember Slott saying he spoke with the editors responsible for her and asked if he could use her but I don't remember him specifying the X-Office. I could be wrong though.

Mutant Zero is a high profile character who should be known by irregular X-book readers (not people who never read comics), possibly even appeared on a cover.
Once again, it was never stated X-book readers, merely comic readers.

To be honest, I haven't noticed any specific mention of the X-men or X-books in Slott's interviews.

[DDM]

Mutant Zero is mutant hype for Marvel.

[Vegetarian Goat]

Mutant Zero is mutant hype for Marvel.

Not trying to pick a fight, but... what does that even mean??

[Harlock]

We've been told that Mutant Zero is a female mutant who has graced many covers and even people who don't follow comics will know who it is when they see her.

People who don't follow comics will know who she is? Come on. This is Marvel. Name ANY Marvel female non-comic followers would know?

Storm is a maybe. Rogue too. I doubt my wife could pick either one out of a line-up even after being forced to put up with my comic geekness for 16 years and having sat through all of the movies. After those two there is Emma and maybe Mystique. At this point I am more inclined to say Wonder Woman because she is the only female I would be willing to say even non-comic readers would know.

[HellFrost]

He didn't say non-comic-readers. He said people who don't follow the books regularly.

[Fatguy]

As dumb as it would be, Jean is the only one I can think of that fits the teases. She, Storm, and Rogue are about the only mutant females that Joe Everybody could recognize. Storm and Rogue seem too well accounted for so I'm not counting them at all, and Jean makes the most sense with the whole "Can only be deployed once per mission, when the $#&% hits the fan" thing. They're afraid of her getting too lost in her powers maybe. And we all know Jean fits the super powerfull card.

I would think it couldnt possibly be her though, which leads me to believe that Marvel is greatly overestimating the recognizability of their characters and it could be damned near anybody.

[DDM]

Not trying to pick a fight, but... what does that even mean??

This thread is already six pages long & nothing has been published yet. I think that speaks for itself.

[Don Quixote]

This thread is already six pages long & nothing has been published yet. I think that speaks for itself.

Well, the issue introducing Mutant Zero has been published. Of course Marvel want people to speculate on who it might be, otherwise they'd just come out and tell everyone.

[DDM]

Well, the issue introducing Mutant Zero has been published. Of course Marvel want people to speculate on who it might be, otherwise they'd just come out and tell everyone.

Hence, Mutant Zero is hype. They are dangling a carrot in front of the fans promising a story. My beef with them is just tell the damn story & stop the titillating hype nonsense. :mad: Marvel used to just tell stories...

Anything coming from Joe Quesada's hype is not worth the speculation unless you love flatulence.

[Harlock]

Hence, Mutant Zero is hype. They are dangling a carrot in front of the fans promising a story. My beef with them is just tell the damn story & stop the titillating hype nonsense. :mad: Marvel used to just tell stories...

Anything coming from Joe Quesada's hype is not worth the speculation unless you love flatulence.

Ya know, I think -YOU- are on the right track with this whole "Who is..." Nonsense!

[Cam Man]

I was thinking Revanche at first as well. However if its a character people who don't read comics may know then I'd have to say thats a shoe in for Marrow. And I will tell you why, Marvel vs Capcom 2. Marrow is an excellent fighter, can be sneaky if she wants having lived in the Morlock tunnels. (Yes living in the sewer automatically makes you sneaky.) Has that bad ass loner attitude Zero seems to have shown. Has spec ops training. Used to be part of the X-men. We haven't seen her in awhile but has been seen in Spider Man for some reason as Mrs. Arrow. (ugh) And I love her and would love to see her back again! Come back Sarah! Please!

[Harlock]

I was thinking Revanche at first as well. However if its a character people who don't read comics may know then I'd have to say thats a shoe in for Marrow. And I will tell you why, Marvel vs Capcom 2. Marrow is an excellent fighter, can be sneaky if she wants having lived in the Morlock tunnels. (Yes living in the sewer automatically makes you sneaky.) Has that bad ass loner attitude Zero seems to have shown. Has spec ops training. Used to be part of the X-men. We haven't seen her in awhile but has been seen in Spider Man for some reason as Mrs. Arrow. (ugh) And I love her and would love to see her back again! Come back Sarah! Please!
Marrow is Hobgoblin 2211? Because I was sure Hobgoblin 2211 was M(r)s. Arrow. What covers has she graced and what non-comic (non-X-men) covers has she graced?

[Joe Acro]

Hence, Mutant Zero is hype. They are dangling a carrot in front of the fans promising a story. My beef with them is just tell the damn story & stop the titillating hype nonsense. :mad: Marvel used to just tell stories...

Anything coming from Joe Quesada's hype is not worth the speculation unless you love flatulence.I don't think it's Quesada's hype. It's fan-created hype based on interview(s) with Dan Slott and the events of the mag itself. Besides, creating mysteries to be explained later is a long-held story element of comics. The first X-Men example I can think of is Mutant X of Muir Island. I'm sure there are plenty more.

[HellFrost]

I don't know about the high-profile thing but it could be the new Scorpion.

[DDM]

I don't think it's Quesada's hype. It's fan-created hype based on interview(s) with Dan Slott and the events of the mag itself. Besides, creating mysteries to be explained later is a long-held story element of comics. The first X-Men example I can think of is Mutant X of Muir Island. I'm sure there are plenty more.

Chris Claremont did not give interviews hyping Mutant X in the 70's. That's the difference.

[Brian M.]

Chris Claremont did not give interviews hyping Mutant X in the 70's. That's the difference.

That's the difference from the 70's to now. Media access is a lot larger. You couldn't log on to the internet back in the 70's and go to Newsarama. How would you promote something in the 70's? An ad in a comic? What comic magazine's were there back than? 1? 2? Comparing the way things were done then to how they are done now is an invalid comparison.

[DDM]

That's the difference from the 70's to now. Media access is a lot larger. You couldn't log on to the internet back in the 70's and go to Newsarama. How would you promote something in the 70's? An ad in a comic? What comic magazine's were there back than? 1? 2? Comparing the way things were done then to how they are done now is an invalid comparison.

Except Marvel is bolding & emphasizing MUTANT ZERO with nothing to show for it. There's a difference between a subplot & just plain teasing the readers on end. When the hype is finally given way to substance, Mutant Zero, will not be what's expected from all the hype.

[Pach!]

Except Marvel is bolding & emphasizing MUTANT ZERO with nothing to show for it. There's a difference between a subplot & just plain teasing the readers on end. When the hype is finally given way to substance, Mutant Zero, will not be what's expected from all the hype.

What's expected is a mutant that has been on covers and has many names. I'm pretty sure they can deliver that.

[Brian M.]

Except Marvel is bolding & emphasizing MUTANT ZERO with nothing to show for it. There's a difference between a subplot & just plain teasing the readers on end. When the hype is finally given way to substance, Mutant Zero, will not be what's expected from all the hype.

What do you mean nothing to show for it? The story just freaking started...one issue, one damn issue. Wasn't it you who said that we should all show some patience for Claremont's stories...is it just his stories? Or if we show patience for other writers is that "putting up with decompression"?

[The Mirrorball Man]

When the hype is finally given way to substance, Mutant Zero, will not be what's expected from all the hype.

So basically you expect it to be different from what you expect?

[Joe Acro]

I don't know about the high-profile thing but it could be the new Scorpion.That was my first thought, but the character supposedly having multiple names and being an X-character threw that out the window.

Chris Claremont did not give interviews hyping Mutant X in the 70's. That's the difference.No, he didn't. Were such interviews done? And I still say they aren't hyping Mutant Zero. If Claremont had been interviewed during his run, there might have been a Q & A where it went:

Interviewer: "What's the story behind Mutant X? You are going to touch on it again, right?

CC: "Mutant X will return later. For now, let's just say he has important ties to the X-Men."

Except Marvel is bolding & emphasizing MUTANT ZERO with nothing to show for it. There's a difference between a subplot & just plain teasing the readers on end. When the hype is finally given way to substance, Mutant Zero, will not be what's expected from all the hype.They are? They emphasized Mutant Zero for one solicit because it was an important part of the story. Besides if Marvel were the one emphasizing her presence (and not the interviewers), then why don't I see it? Where's an interview with Quesada or a lesser editor? Where's another writer changing to topic to the character when they shouldn't be.

I dislike Quesada as much as you do (well, maybe not), but he's not blame here. Your overly active imagination is.

[HellFrost]

That was my first thought, but the character supposedly having multiple names and being an X-character threw that out the window.

I thought that at first too, but Scorpion has 2 names. Carmilla Black and Thanasee Rappaccini, which is her birth name. Plus, they didn't say she was an X-character, but has been apart of the X-Office and Scorpion was indeed apart of the X-Office when HoM was going on, at least I assume.

Also, if it's not her, then maybe it's Magik.:)

[Porcelain]

Now, I'm not saying that it SHOULD be Jean, but why the Jean hate? Its not like every other dead character hasn't been resurrected in the last two years. I mean, Cable didn't even let grass grow on his grave - and he's died and resurrected as many times as Jean.

I think it would be a pretty unusual and out-of-the-box return for Marvel's favorite redhead. Not sure I'd dig it, but it certainly would be unexpected. I mean, as much as Jean is being thrown out there - no one REALLY thinks it could be Jean. Its just so far fetched. And Jean is an underdog in the editorial offices currently. So, it would be shocking.
Or...I was imagining the fan back lash at what I see as character desecration and utterly improbable. Godlike martyr/humanitarian to deus ex ninjafication? Not a good way to go.

I did think Elektra, but I don't know where she is and really don't want her to be a mutant/superpowered. Why would she come under x-jurisdiction anyway?

Then I keep thinking Deathstrike too, but she isn't a mutant - unless they're going the way of the movies. Nor does she have multiple aliases that I know of.

Actually really would like it to be Revanche, but unless the recognition clue is a red herring...

We need more clues!!! Preferably, before I begin to really hate tongue-in-cheeck-plot-device-a-like.

[corinthian_noire]

welll i am going to take a wild gueesxssss and say could it be magma>?
isnt she a bit mental at the moment after her boyfriend burned to death?
i read on her wikipedia that she is trained in the use of swords
hasnt she had quite a few names, i mean her real name not her code name>

[Magneto X]

I was thinking Revanche at first as well. However if its a character people who don't read comics may know then I'd have to say thats a shoe in for Marrow. And I will tell you why, Marvel vs Capcom 2. Marrow is an excellent fighter, can be sneaky if she wants having lived in the Morlock tunnels. (Yes living in the sewer automatically makes you sneaky.) Has that bad ass loner attitude Zero seems to have shown. Has spec ops training. Used to be part of the X-men. We haven't seen her in awhile but has been seen in Spider Man for some reason as Mrs. Arrow. (ugh) And I love her and would love to see her back again! Come back Sarah! Please!


Could be.
Better known than Revanche.
Makes more sense for black ops work than Magma.
More available than Mystique.

But only two names I think.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Maybe Mutant Zero is that Zero guy from the MLF that used to run around with Stryfe

[Kid Icarus]

I think it is pretty obvious that Mutant Zero is Mammomax, even though he's dead...

[Diablito]

I think it is pretty obvious that Mutant Zero is Mammomax, even though he's dead...

...I think you are on to something.

They do share highly attractive bodies.

[Kid Icarus]

But mammomax may be too small to fit into that costume. I dunno, its just a hunch. They have similar powers adn he was a main character since like the 40's. The more I think about it, the more probable it seems.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Hmmm...

Mutant with connections to the Xmen
Someone that isn't around
Someone that could possibly reverse M-day.



Jean

[Kid Icarus]

caption: after finding the pieces of her soul that were scattered across existence of panel, Jean grey returns to earth and registers with the initiative in hopes of a cool new costume and new invisibily powers.

I can only hope.

[Diablito]

Hmmm...

Mutant with connections to the Xmen
Someone that isn't around
Someone that could possibly reverse M-day.



Jean

What?!? Mutant Zero has to possibly reverse M-Day?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

What?!? Mutant Zero has to possibly reverse M-Day?

God i hope so LOL

[Magneto X]

What?!? Mutant Zero has to possibly reverse M-Day?

Then: Brian Braddock? Mr. M? Proteus? Franklin Richards? That might be it.

In terms of women just: Phoenix, maybe Talisman, and Wanda herself.

But a reality-manipulator on a stealth team seems unlikely.

[Jackob]

Then: Brian Braddock? Mr. M? Proteus? Franklin Richards? That might be it.

In terms of women just: Phoenix, maybe Talisman, and Wanda herself.

But a reality-manipulator on a stealth team seems unlikely.

jamie braddock is the reality warper

[jarrod]

Hmmm...

Mutant with connections to the Xmen
Someone that isn't around
Someone that could possibly reverse M-day.



Maddie
Fixed it for you. ;)

[Slung]

Fixed it for you. ;)

That wasn't a fix...:p Jean rules!

[ExtraEpidermis]

Don't feel like going through all the other posts but has anybody mentioned Moonstar?

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

Fixed it for you. ;)

lol....hmmm tho Maddie might bring Nate Grey back and therefore Threnody and her daughter (only 3rd gen Summers)....I'll go with Maddie lol.



Moonstar can only come back if she brings the Valrykies and they do that bugs bunny opera parody thingy complete with "kill the wabbit"

[PatchMadripoor]

Madelyne Pryor would be a good candidate.

[HellFrost]

Don't feel like going through all the other posts but has anybody mentioned Moonstar?

yes, I have but it would be lame.

[ZNOP]

[QUOTE=Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost;5573686]lol....hmmm tho Maddie might bring Nate Grey back and therefore Threnody and her daughter (only 3rd gen Summers)....I'll go with Maddie lol.[QUOTE]


Bah! Where is said baby? And, where is said that it's Nate's child?

[Magneto X]

That wasn't a fix...:p Jean rules!

dead dead dead dead stay dead

[jarrod]

Jean seems too big a character to use, plus Queseda wants her gone. Really doubtful it's her imo, though Maddie fits just as well and is seen as more "disposable" so she'd make a good fill in.

Dani could work, her quantum powers might've evolved into pure reality warping had she not been sidelined by the Valkyrie and then decimated, but wasn't she seen in the Initiative already?

[Jinxer]

I'll bet it's Scarlet Witch.

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

[QUOTE=Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost;5573686]lol....hmmm tho Maddie might bring Nate Grey back and therefore Threnody and her daughter (only 3rd gen Summers)....I'll go with Maddie lol.[QUOTE]


Bah! Where is said baby? And, where is said that it's Nate's child?

Considering Marvel has this staunch monogomy agenda...it's Nate...Also they had her in their "Marvel universe handbook" thingy and Threnody was in there and they said it was Nate's baby.

We don't know where Threnody and her baby are, the series ended and Marvel sort of forgot about her (the fact they included her in their handbook, which was a single issue not the GIANT one, says they know she's still around)


Considering Nate's Alt. Reality origins and Threnody's power absorbing abilities...their kid *Could* maybe have some ability to correct Wanda's spell. Maybe absorb alt. reality energy lol

[The Lucky One]

Don't feel like going through all the other posts but has anybody mentioned Moonstar?

I mentioned it on the third or fourth page, yeah.

We'll see.

-D

[The Lucky One]

Dani could work, her quantum powers might've evolved into pure reality warping had she not been sidelined by the Valkyrie and then decimated, but wasn't she seen in the Initiative already?

Yes, training Trauma. (And she doesn't have the quantum powers anymore, although she might conceivably still have her valkyrie abilities... unless they went away when Asgard was destroyed.) But it's possible she could also be either 1) undercover (wouldn't be the first time), or 2) a sleeper agent.

One never knows. It'll never happen in a million years, but I think it'd actually be pretty cool if it turned out Dani's "Mutant Zero" activities were due to her being unwittingly possessed at times by Valkyrie, the former Defender.

-D

[Slung]

dead dead dead dead stay dead

You're a bad person and I hope the next zillionth time Magneto dies he stays dead. And Black Panther is sent into limbo forever.

Or, you can retract your hateful speech, say "Jean is the best ever" and we'll pretend this never happened.

[Monty_Cristo]

personally, i want Jean back but i'd rather that the Phoenix Force go away. i hates it!

[Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost]

I want the phoenix force to say:

"Ms. Maximoff's spell has undone reality...I will undo it and never return"

and make Jean & Rachel convulse b/c it leaves them

[protogarrett]

It's Stacy X, back from whoring the streets of character limbo.

[Flâneur]

Where was this stated? I remember Slott saying he spoke with the editors responsible for her and asked if he could use her but I don't remember him specifying the X-Office. I could be wrong though.
In a Slott interview, check the other mutant zero thread in the Avengers forum.

Once again, it was never stated X-book readers, merely comic readers.
She's been in the X-books and under their control, if someone only irregularly reads non-X comics then they will barely note the existence of any mutants whatsoever. It has to be through the X-comics.
To be honest, I haven't noticed any specific mention of the X-men or X-books in Slott's interviews.
Then go through the other thread.
Hence, Mutant Zero is hype. They are dangling a carrot in front of the fans promising a story. My beef with them is just tell the damn story & stop the titillating hype nonsense. Marvel used to just tell stories...

Anything coming from Joe Quesada's hype is not worth the speculation unless you love flatulence.
Quesada has done nothing to promote it. The line in the solicits almost exactly mirrors dialogue within the book so that's hardly hype either. It's all fan created.

Marvel used to let CC dangle the carrot for years with his 'long simmering plotlines' so I don't see your problem. Just give Slott time to tell his story; Mutant Zero was only introduced two issues or so ago.

Hmmm...

Someone that could possibly reverse M-day.
It's never been said or even hinted at that Mutant Zero could affect M-Day. I also doubt that it will since that is a gig for the X-offices to deal with.

[ReaderX]

It's gotta be Aurora! She's mentally unstable and thus cannot be used more than once or risk her going all schitzo. Plus she's been bouncing around in government agencies since she first appeared in comics. She's the Canadian version of Kyle Gibney, without the big hairy guy lurking in the background. Just when you think you've figured her out in one book, she appears in another a year later as either a saint, an Agent X, or a mass murdering psycho, but always with that goofy grin on her face like she could just snap at any moment.

If it's not her, next guess is X23, the government sanctioned Wolverine clone.

[ReaderX]

sorry, lagged double post

[Proteus69]

wouldn't it be a kick if it was Kitty? LOL - she has been quite "active" w/ Peter ( no pun) lately - would serve her right LOL - most of the clues she can fit except the appearing as a mutant thing.


Either that or Emma - in one of the preview pics Scott is over her crying - looking a bit [I]too[I] stressed - just a thought, nothing to back that one up with though lol

[Metallurgique]

Has anyone ever asked or explained why Wallflower appeared on the cover of Avengers: The Initiative #1?

Laurie certainly doesn't qualify as being a well-known character, but I did find it very odd that she was on that cover according to Marvel but had been dead for some months before The Initiative ever came to be.

Anybody ever bring up Wallflower as a potential (I agree, it's unlikely, but...)?

[Faded]

Has anyone ever asked or explained why Wallflower appeared on the cover of Avengers: The Initiative #1?

Laurie certainly doesn't qualify as being a well-known character, but I did find it very odd that she was on that cover according to Marvel but had been dead for some months before The Initiative ever came to be.

Anybody ever bring up Wallflower as a potential (I agree, it's unlikely, but...)?

CAN OF WORMS, but I'd count her out since she was part of the 198.

[Magneto X]

You're a bad person and I hope the next zillionth time Magneto dies he stays dead. And Black Panther is sent into limbo forever.

Or, you can retract your hateful speech, say "Jean is the best ever" and we'll pretend this never happened.

Sorry. Jean rules. She should come back and head S.H.I.E.L.D.

[Slung]

Sorry. Jean rules. She should come back and head S.H.I.E.L.D.

Hmmm...Thats better. But are you sincere? Thats the question at hand. We'll be watching you...

[The M.E.]

Sorry. Jean rules. She should come back and head S.H.I.E.L.D.

hmmm....that could be interesting.

the biggest impact would be if it were jean, but i cant see the x-office letting her comeback occur b/c of some avengers initiative plans (though she did come back in fantastic four before...)

she totally reminds me of revanche, with the power set, costume, etc, but i cant see this being big enough to make most readers go "wow", i love revanche, but do most people even remember her?

i guess ive gotta go with aurora, mike carey wanted to use her really badly, but was suddenly told someone else had plans for her and she was off limits (at least that's my understanding of all the rumors). but i dunno, id rather it be jean or revanche...

[MarvelGirlBoy]

Scarlet Witch?

That was my first though. Well, second, after "She'll end up in bed with Juggernaut".

[Monty_Cristo]

i'm going back to my original guess; Phantazia. i just want it to be her. she's crazy and can defy gravity. i don't know about her having multiple code names but her past was pretty much left up in the air, anyways.