On Clint Barton (NA #34 Spoilers)

[unkiedev]

In the latest issue of New Avengers Dr Strange uses a magical spell to reveal the secret, inner self of all the New Avengers. The Doctor still thinks of himself as just that, and saw himself in a lab coat and clip board. Spider-Man still sees himself as a goofy kid…that’s fair. Wolvie saw a Samurai…but what did Clint "Hawkeye/Ronin" Barton see?

Clint Barton saw Captain America. Clint IS the New Captain America. He may never use the name, he may never (Again) wear the flag and shield, but at the core of his being, his true essence is the spirit of Cap, the spirit of America itself.

And I couldn’t agree more:

Clint is a reformed criminal, a man with a checkered past who tries everyday to be better than he was the day before. Clint is a free thinking realist who, while virtually worshiping the ideas and spirit of “the Greatest Generation” rejects the backwards thinking of trying to BE that generation. Clint is a confused and troubled man with great power, skill and leadership experience. Clint believes in second chances, in forgiveness. Clint TRYS to be what Captain America was while still recognizing Cap’s mistakes.

Clint is Captain America….and I’ll never think different again. Clint is the living embodiment of today’s nation: hurt, troubled and cynical….man, New Avengers #34 was pretty damn awesome!

I think the others will start taking more cues from Clint. Luke Cage is always the Avenger with the most powerful convictions, leading with his heart while listening to Cap for wisdom and advice. I think Clint will step into that role and maybe a bigger one.

Good Stuff! Anybody else? I for one with forever think of Clint as the new Captain America, whether he looks the part or not, and will accept no substitutions.

[StoneGold]

Good Stuff! Anybody else? I for one with forever think of Clint as the new Captain America, whether he looks the part or not, and will accept no substitutions.

Not even Steve Rogers?

[unkiedev]

Not even Steve Rogers?;) Well, I mean if Steve pulls a Thor and comes back then HECK YEAH I'd be glad to see him back in the saddle...I just think Clint is the new Fighting Spirit of America.

[Monty_Cristo]

;) Well, I mean if Steve pulls a Thor and comes back then HECK YEAH I'd be glad to see him back in the saddle...I just think Clint is the new Fighting Spirit of America.

and you got all of that from a Yu drawing? so i guess Echo should replace Daredevil, too.

[unkiedev]

and you got all of that from a Yu drawing? so i guess Echo should replace Daredevil, too.Au contraire! The "Captain America: Fallen Son Captain America" book was a great book that said the same thing this issue of New Avengers did, plus Clint and Cap have been friends/co-workers forever. This isn't just a thought precipitated by Yu's great drawing.

I think emotionally and thematically Clint is it. As far as Echo and Daredevil I couldn't care less about either character and can't care what happens to either.

[static]

the only reason Clint isnt in the cap suit is because Tony is a jerkoff...]
there shouldnt ever be another cap...untill Steve Rogers comes back

[Samuraixsithlord]

[QUOTE=static; there shouldnt ever be another cap...untill Steve Rogers comes back[/QUOTE]


or until Tony Stark creates a bunch of Steve Rogers clones and calls them his army of Super Patriots

[Clea]

In the latest issue of New Avengers Dr Strange uses a magical spell to reveal the secret, inner self of all the New Avengers. The Doctor still thinks of himself as just that, and saw himself in a lab coat and clip board. Spider-Man still sees himself as a goofy kid…that’s fair. Wolvie saw a Samurai…but what did Clint "Hawkeye/Ronin" Barton see?

Clint Barton saw Captain America. Clint IS the New Captain America. He may never use the name, he may never (Again) wear the flag and shield, but at the core of his being, his true essence is the spirit of Cap, the spirit of America itself.

And I couldn’t agree more:

Clint is a reformed criminal, a man with a checkered past who tries everyday to be better than he was the day before. Clint is a free thinking realist who, while virtually worshiping the ideas and spirit of “the Greatest Generation” rejects the backwards thinking of trying to BE that generation. Clint is a confused and troubled man with great power, skill and leadership experience. Clint believes in second chances, in forgiveness. Clint TRYS to be what Captain America was while still recognizing Cap’s mistakes.

Clint is Captain America….and I’ll never think different again. Clint is the living embodiment of today’s nation: hurt, troubled and cynical….man, New Avengers #34 was pretty damn awesome!

I think the others will start taking more cues from Clint. Luke Cage is always the Avenger with the most powerful convictions, leading with his heart while listening to Cap for wisdom and advice. I think Clint will step into that role and maybe a bigger one.

Good Stuff! Anybody else? I for one with forever think of Clint as the new Captain America, whether he looks the part or not, and will accept no substitutions.

Unless it turns out that "Clint Barton" is actually a Skrull who had been set up to replace Captain America.... until Cap was killed, so they had to settle for impersonating Hawkeye instead.

That's my current theory. It's kooky, I know, but I like it.

[Shyft]

and you got all of that from a Yu drawing? so i guess Echo should replace Daredevil, too.

i know right, what a jerk for having an opinion you dont agree with because it comes from a book you dont like. honestly.

[Alphaxman]

I definitely think that Steve is Clint’s roll model when it comes to heroics and I wouldn’t mind seeing him as Cap. He takes Steve’s ideals and uses them in his own way and style.

[agirlyman]

I definitely think that Steve is Clint’s roll model when it comes to heroics and I wouldn’t mind seeing him as Cap. He takes Steve’s ideals and uses them in his own way and style.

I concur, Clint Barton is the only person I would want to see running around with caps shield, I also wouldn't mind seeing him as the new Captain, new costume, and new shield logo would be a nice touch. I think it would be cool if he took over Caps mag, I think it would be interesting reading about him trying to live up to "Steve Roger's" ideals, and people will be against him for his past. Then one day, he can chop off the Red Skull's head with his shield, and kick it into the
ocean.

Wow...I just got a vision of Clint shooting an arrow while holding Cap's shield, now wouldn't that be cool.

[unkiedev]

That would be really cool!

[TotalWorldDomination]

I'd like to see Clint or Bucky take up the sheild in an attempt to live up to the legacy... seeing someone crack under that weight would be quiet the ride.

...but Clint already gave up his shot to be cap. He had the flag on and everything. He had the sheild. but he could'nt take it, he decided that no man should replace Steve Rodgers. I doubt we'll see Clint as Cap... unless he;s the rumored second NA defection and he goes back to tony to say that he realizes exactly what he wants to be and asks for the flag back...

[unkiedev]

I'd like to see Clint or Bucky take up the sheild in an attempt to live up to the legacy... seeing someone crack under that weight would be quiet the ride.

...but Clint already gave up his shot to be cap. He had the flag on and everything. He had the sheild. but he could'nt take it, he decided that no man should replace Steve Rodgers. I doubt we'll see Clint as Cap... unless he;s the rumored second NA defection and he goes back to tony to say that he realizes exactly what he wants to be and asks for the flag back...Yeah, but that is sort of what I'm saying: Clint realized the folly in trying to BE cap and he doesn't have too. He IS the new Spirit of America. To get really geeky it's like when Ultra Magnus tried to be Optimus Prime in the first Transformers movie but couldn't because Hot Rod was already selected. It's not right for Clint to put on the costume or maybe even use the shield, but he doesn't need to. He is the New Cap.

Over in Punisher War Journal they've been having fun with Bucky and Punisher getting pissy over who will be the next Cap. Punisher has bowed out of the race. He told Bucky "If you want it then go take it, I won't interfere."

Conflicted America with a troubled past = Conflicted Captain America with a troubled past = Clint Barton.

[Rich L]

Wow...I just got a vision of Clint shooting an arrow while holding Cap's shield, now wouldn't that be cool

Best I could do on short notice...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/1860_4_3172.jpg

[Shellhead]

In the latest issue of New Avengers Dr Strange uses a magical spell to reveal the secret, inner self of all the New Avengers. The Doctor still thinks of himself as just that, and saw himself in a lab coat and clip board. Spider-Man still sees himself as a goofy kid…that’s fair. Wolvie saw a Samurai…but what did Clint "Hawkeye/Ronin" Barton see?

Clint Barton saw Captain America. Clint IS the New Captain America. He may never use the name, he may never (Again) wear the flag and shield, but at the core of his being, his true essence is the spirit of Cap, the spirit of America itself.

And I couldn’t agree more:

Clint is a reformed criminal, a man with a checkered past who tries everyday to be better than he was the day before. Clint is a free thinking realist who, while virtually worshiping the ideas and spirit of “the Greatest Generation” rejects the backwards thinking of trying to BE that generation. Clint is a confused and troubled man with great power, skill and leadership experience. Clint believes in second chances, in forgiveness. Clint TRYS to be what Captain America was while still recognizing Cap’s mistakes.

Clint is Captain America….and I’ll never think different again. Clint is the living embodiment of today’s nation: hurt, troubled and cynical….man, New Avengers #34 was pretty damn awesome!

I think the others will start taking more cues from Clint. Luke Cage is always the Avenger with the most powerful convictions, leading with his heart while listening to Cap for wisdom and advice. I think Clint will step into that role and maybe a bigger one.

Good Stuff! Anybody else? I for one with forever think of Clint as the new Captain America, whether he looks the part or not, and will accept no substitutions.

Hawkeye thinking of himself as Cap is an interesting angle, but the horrid characterization of Cap in this series causes me to reject it. First Bendis wrote Cap as passive and uncertain, then more recently gave us a retconned Cap that is indistinguishable from John Walker or Ultimate Cap. As for Wolverine as a samurai... that has to be a joke. A ronin yes, a samurai no.

[unkiedev]

Hawkeye thinking of himself as Cap is an interesting angle, but the horrid characterization of Cap in this series causes me to reject it. First Bendis wrote Cap as passive and uncertain, then more recently gave us a retconned Cap that is indistinguishable from John Walker or Ultimate Cap. As for Wolverine as a samurai... that has to be a joke. A ronin yes, a samurai no.I think you are correct. Wolverine probably sees himself as a Ronin....he is even wearing dingy robes, not nice silk robes with lotuses or other imprints. Visually I'm not sure how you would distinguish the two.

As for Bendis and Cap: Yeah, Cap was never much of a Bendis character. I don't think Bendis ever understood Cap.

[agirlyman]

Best I could do on short notice...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/1860_4_3172.jpg

Just great thanks Rich, now I have yet another comic to buy, now that's just way cool. Was that Clint? I was picturing the shield on the other arm, and parallel to the ground.

[Rich L]

Just great thanks Rich, now I have yet another comic to buy, now that's just way cool. Was that Clint? I was picturing the shield on the other arm, and parallel to the ground.

Nah, it's Steve. I had to play around with the shield - that's why it looks a bit odd. The original cover is this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/1860_4_317.jpg

[reta-winter soldier]

no way in hell i want clint as cap, dont get me wrong cap is my fav charavcter and clint is very close. but clint has his own thing that's not close to cap that much. If someone( because steve WAS cap) trys to take on the mantle again, I wish it would be Bucky in the long run. Again this is just a bendis retcon, where he wants to marvel universe to look like bendisverse

[sabongero]

Clint should stay as he is. He is Hawkeye. There's no need to be upgraded to Captain America. Steve Rogers is Captain America. If he's dead then stay dead, and have other heroes step up as someone similar to Captain America. But leave the original Star Spangled Hero as the only Captain America.

[sabongero]

Nah, it's Steve. I had to play around with the shield - that's why it looks a bit odd. The original cover is this...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/richlovatt/1860_4_317.jpg

The best part about the issue is that at the end Mockingbird was part of the cast. Bobbi you know her...Clint Barton's wife.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Beyond all this, has Clint commented on his run in with the most controversial Avenger of the last 3 years, Wanda Maximoff?

[Don Quixote]

Beyond all this, has Clint commented on his run in with the most controversial Avenger of the last 3 years, Wanda Maximoff?

All he said was something along the lines of "what I found won't do anyone any good". The other New Avengers, I think, realise he did find Wanda, but I guess they've been to busy fighting ninjas to ask him about it.

I like the idea of Clint being the embodiment of Cap's values and views, but he already passed on the idea of becoming Captain America. I wouldn't like to see him go back on that decision. He should just be Hawkeye. And I imagine the open return of Hawkeye, on the side of the New Avengers would be a shock to Tony and the other old school Avengers who've joined him.

Besides, wouldn't they need Brubaker's agreement to bring Capain America back, even if it's a different person, as long as he's writing the Captain America book? He says he's got another two years of stories planned out, and he seems quite clear in interviews that those plans don't involve a new Captain America.

[Lombardo!]

the bullets that passed through Steve Rogers were just tiny midget Skrulls, anyway.

[Clea]

the bullets that passed through Steve Rogers were just tiny midget Skrulls, anyway.


Hahaha! Skrullets!:p

[krantzbucks]

Okay, they brought Hawkeye back. First thing they do is stick him with that awful 'Ronin' getup and attitude. Bring Clint Barton back as Cap if we can't have him back as Hawkeye. Was the thought that a guy fighting Galactus with arrows is ridiculous? How about a guy fighting Galactus with a sword and throwing stars? Yeah that makes more sense.

[StoneGold]

Here's what Hawkeye should be doing.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a59/stonegold/MA-Avengers-016-017.jpg

[Rahul]

Dude, in an All Ages comic, no less...

[hawkeye comeback]

i wanna see hawkeye become leader of na but it wont happen until bendid and his bendis buddies leave

[Captain Mobra]

Yes, let's give Hawkeye one more BJ.

[Monty_Cristo]

Yes, let's give Hawkeye one more BJ.

BJ = 'bomber jacket?' i think that would look stupid.

[Evan Lanctot]

Cap and Hawkeye didn't get along for a LONG time.....but Clint grew to secretly respect and admire him....that's why he sees himself as Cap.

Evan

[Monty_Cristo]

Cap and Hawkeye didn't get along for a LONG time.....but Clint grew to secretly respect and admire him....that's why he sees himself as Cap.

Evan

the spell reveals who a person really is; not who they want to or aspire to be.

[rwsmith]

No way. Luke Cage is the new Captain America.