JLA Wedding Special: Summary and Review

[comicstar100]

Apparntly Stewart is on the covers of JLA #14 and 15, I hope its just temporary. Nothing against John but I've been waiting for a league to have Hal in it for a long time and he hasn't really had much of a run with them since this team has started. What do you guys think, will John replace Hal? More imortantly, do you think he should?

[Mike Smash!]

I'd prefer John in the League. Not only is he a cool character, but Hal's already got his own book. So does Guy. John's been in a sort of limbo since Infinite Crisis.

[froinlaven]

Apparntly Stewart is on the covers of JLA #14 and 15, I hope its just temporary. Nothing against John but I've been waiting for a league to have Hal in it for a long time and he hasn't really had much of a run with them since this team has started. What do you guys think, will John replace Hal? More imortantly, do you think he should?

I'm really looking forward to seeing John back in the league, and I hope its for a long time. Hal has his own book. Kilowog and Guy are in the GL Corps book. Kyle is nearly everywhere. But where is John Stewart? He hasn't been used effectively in a long time and I think he needs to be in the Justice League. He was great on the TV show, and with McDuffie writing its destined to be gold.

[Akelexre]

I'm really looking forward to seeing John back in the league, and I hope its for a long time. Hal has his own book. Kilowog and Guy are in the GL Corps book. Kyle is nearly everywhere. But where is John Stewart? He hasn't been used effectively in a long time and I think he needs to be in the Justice League. He was great on the TV show, and with McDuffie writing its destined to be gold.

Seconded.

Looking forward to having Jon back. All the other GLs hold no interest to me.

[DayWing]

Apparntly Stewart is on the covers of JLA #14 and 15, I hope its just temporary. Nothing against John but I've been waiting for a league to have Hal in it for a long time and he hasn't really had much of a run with them since this team has started. What do you guys think, will John replace Hal? More imortantly, do you think he should?

The thing about the GLC is, all 4 primary characters (Kyle, Hal, John and Guy) are almost equally popular and is someone's favorite. Hal is now the primary GL and the main solo title is his. Guy seems to be headlining the GLC title. That leaves us with Kyle who held the title solo for a decade in which the GL name got popular with new readers,who may still be reading GL now, and John, strong character who became a fan favorite without succumbing to any stereotype images. They both deserve a spot somewhere and not just as supporting characters to Hal. I would love a Kyle and Guy (professional) partnership in GLC or in a regular team book with Nightwing, Donna, Tempest and other second generation heroes. So that leaves John with the JLA.

[Raker616]

I really hope DC doesn't take Hal off JLA but i'm loosing my patience with the title anyway this relauch has sucked and Hal off JLA=me dropping it asap.

[wes_rk]

I don't think Hal is leaving the league, but I want John in there as well. I like the character, I knew nothing about him before the JL and JLU tv shows. Imagine a league with two GL's, that would be awesome! i just hope they don't decide to explore the John and Hawkgirl relationship as they did on the tv show.

[hangmanjury]

It wouldn't hurt to have both of them in the League, with John as a reserve member, on call for whenever Hal can't make it. Which, really, should be quite a bit of the time, shouldn't it?

[XPac]

I was never a big Hal fan, to be honest. But that said, he's an icon. He should at last be a reserve JLA guy.

That said, since Hal has his own book, I think John being a regular in JLA is probably the way to go.

[Greg Anderson]

I totally want John in the book. As people mentioned before, John's hardly to be seen anywhere and as much as I like Hal, he has his own book. Let John have a bit of glory. :)

[Hawkman]

Doesn't matter to me much. With the exception of Alan Scott, who's more of his own hero than an "official" member of the group, the Green Lanterns have never really appealed to me. I suppose if I had to pick one from the Corps it would be Hal, but Stewart's fine with me in JLA, so long as Mr. McDuffie has a plan for him. I'd rather that than he try to shoehorn Hal into situations where he doesn't exactly know what to do with him, anyway.

[Suzanne]

I have no problem with John coming back to the League since he's the only Green Lantern who doesn't appear regularly in any book. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[StoneGold]

I have no problem with John coming back to the League since he's the only Green Lantern who doesn't appear regularly in any book. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Add "of earth" to the end of that, you'd be more accurate, as far as I know.

[Adamantium_Avatar]

I'd prefer not to see John Stewart in the JLA

Until the cartoon series I didn't even know who the hell he was!

[comicstar100]

I have no problem with John coming back to the League since he's the only Green Lantern who doesn't appear regularly in any book. Correct me if I'm wrong though. Well at the moment Kyle is appearing in the monthly GL book as parallax, but that won't last for too much longer. After that I believe he is supposed to have some kind of role in countdown but so far he hasn't been seen much other than being listed as somebody who should be on another earth.

[Greg Anderson]

I'd prefer not to see John Stewart in the JLA

Until the cartoon series I didn't even know who the hell he was!

That's why he should be in this book!:D

[Citizen V]

I would give it a shot,but i know the only reason why the character has attention was from the Justice League cartoon.

[caboose]

I echo the sentiments of many, John should be the League's Green Lantern it justs works better on every level. And just like others have mentioned Hal is THE Lantern so give John the JLA spot. Alan covers the JSA, Gardner the Corps alongside Hal and Kyle just floats about kinda like he's stoned.

[comicfoil]

John held little interest for me in the years I was reading Green Lantern. I liked Hal erll rnough but loved whenever Guy made an appearance. I kinda stopped reading though when Kyle came on, never gave him a shot and it saved me a couple bones bones not buying the GL title or spinoffs. But I really, really got into watching the Justice League (Unlimited) cartoon and thought John was awesome. If McDuffie wrote that charcter into Justice League of America I'd be happy. And I got no problem with a John, Vixen, Hawkgirl triangle.

But Mr McDuffie please stop writing Roy as "Red Arrow" it sounds ridiculous. A mistake you can fix sir, Mr. meltzer was clearly insane when he decided on the name change.

[hangmanjury]

Kids know John Stewart as Green Lantern in JLA and I think it'd be a good marketing move for them to place John in JLA. I also thought it'd be nice to give him a romance with Shayera Thal (Hawkwoman), but alas, they killed her off.

[Babylon23]

John is a great and highly underused character. I've been hoping to see him in JLA since the relaunch. It's good for DC to have all their GL's active in different books, and the JLA is a good home for John.

[Rattlehead]

Hal is in danger of having the Batman effect. He's in more places than one person could possibly be at one time, especially with the big Star Wars going on in the GL books. Hal should be the space cop since he has his own book, and John can be the "Home Base" guy helping out the JLA with the Earthbound threats. It certainly lends itself to a more believability. Having a little more diversity in the ranks of the League is an added bonus.

[Stanlos]

Yes, please--more John Stewart! With the return of a Green Lantern monthly and other GL related books Hal can be the star so many view him as and John can GL on earth with League. Kyle I guess will be out there going all Ion I suppose.

[Kage Kisaragi]

I think it could be cool to see John on JLA, especially if its similiar to the animated version, I'd like to see a John Vixen hook up, mostly because the current Hawkgirl is shacking up with Red Arrow. No problem there, Vixen is where the honey is. :)

[CaptainCanada]

Sadly, the issue does not deliver on the cover's promise of Super-Stripper-Man (also, who's the Spider-Womanish chick between Vixen and Grace?).

We begin at an "undisclosed location, the Hall of Injustice" (doesn't that, in a sense, disclose the location?), ten days in the past. Lex Luthor, the Joker, and the Cheetah (movin' on up in the world) have assembled to pick the membership for their new Injustice League. Joker does his best to annoy the Cheetah, the Cheetah threatens to murder him, and, at Lex's request, they get to picking members for the team. Cheetah lives in a glass house and objects to Doctor Light, but withdraws her objection.

Happy Harbour, Rhode Island; Hal is trying to clear the strippers out of the hotel, since he has learned that Ollie does not want strippers at his bachelor party. The strippers insist on getting paid anyway. Hal has only thirty bucks, so calls Batman (on monitor duty) to ask for some cash. Batman does his usual "I already know and anticipate your every need" schtick (he actually says "I'm Batman" in response to how he knows something), and has the money will be messengered over in fifteen minutes. Hal thanks him, since he's not even coming, but Batman says there's an excellent chance the party will come to him. On this note, he hangs up; Hal is befuddled. Roy arrives, and says they have a problem; the media has been tipped off that Green Arrow's party is year, and have surrounded the place. They need a new site. Hal calls Batman again, and Batman says that Hal has just figured out that they need to hold the party in the Hall; Bats already has John Stewart setting up the decorations. Hal hangs up, and says he hates it when Batman does that (Roy: "What, solves all of your problems but is ever so slightly smug while doing so?").

Later, at the Hall of Justice, the guests have all assembled (hmm, it seems Oberon got to tag along with Mister Miracle). Batman lets Hal say "I told you so" for him. Ollie remarks that Hal did a great job on the decorations (John says "You're welcome."). Roy hoists Ollie up and says he loves him; Ollie demands to be put down; Roy says Ollie is strangely afraid of real emotion, for such a 60s liberal; Connor says that's how Ollie tries to lower his score on the Kinsey scale; sleeping with Black Canary is also a part of this strategy; Ollie demands that they show their sort-of mother respect ("and a bit of jealousy and awe, while you're at it.").

Hal breaks up a conversation between John Stewart and Jay Garrick, and they go off to chat; Hal needs to be elsewhere; John says it makes sense for them to divide the work, with both of them on Earth; Hal says he's sorry for all the crap John has to put up with ("Black Lantern", "backup"); John says that's other people's problem. They agree to rotate, and Hal departs.

In Manhattan, Firestorm arrives at a building where he's received a tip that Professor Stein might be; Gehenna's disembodied head is certain it's a trap; so is Firestorm, but they need to investigate anyway. It is a trap, set by Killer Frost. A fight ensues for a couple of pages; Firestorm wins by turning the floor to anti-freeze. Suddenly, the Evil Big Three arrive via teleporter. Luthor blasts him with his battlesuit, and then the other two proceed to beat him up, after his powers are neutralized; Joker hits him with his laughing gas, and Cheetah is about to finish slicing and dicing but Luthor intervenes. Luthor tells Firestorm that if he doesn't want his enemies to neutralize his powers, he'd do well to not publish science articles explaining them. Recruiting Killer Frost to come along, they depart for...

...the "Hall of Doom" (take a guess at what it looks like); Killer Frost mocks the name, but Joker finds it appropriately pretentious ("portentious", substitutes Lex). The Hall is filled with villains, most of whom I don't recognize, and I'm too lazy to look it up. Notably present are Giganta, Poison Ivy, Black Manta, Deathstroke, and Gorilla Grodd. Joker dubbs them "Injustice League Unlimited".

Black Canary's party is apparently also being held in Happy Harbour, at what looks like a disco bar; one of the afro'd guys who works(?) there approachs Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl, and tells them that his sister works at a Manhattan hospital where Firestorm was admitted, and it looks like he won't make it.

Meanwhile, at the Hall of Justice, Batman gets an alert from his belt, and tells Roy to meet him in the hangar in five minutes. Advised by Ollie not to be tardy, or else face death, Roy departs. In the Batplane, Batman says that his Batcomputer routinely monitors hospital admissions, and he hence knows of Firestorm; but they're going to the crime scene to investigate.

At the hospital, Diana and Kendra arrive to see Firestorm (after confirming with the doctors that they're keeping his secret identity a secret, as an unofficial favour to the capes), who is rapidly improving; his face is still frozen in a Joker-smile.

At the crime scene, Batman examines the residue from the fight, and quickly concludes that Killer Frost, Luthor, and the Cheetah were present.

Meanwhile, at the Hall of Injustice, Luthor explains his scheme; everyone was invited on the idea that the new League would be a protection racket (JLU concept reuse alert!), but the real purpose is to take over the world, with the first step being the total destruction of the Justice League. There are no objections to this plan. Joker says he needs to use the transporter.

Back at the crime scene, Batman says that there was someone else present, but they've been too good at covering their tracks, and he can't determine who it was. "Come on, guano-for-brains, it was me. Who else could it be?" says the Joker, as he and Fatality appear, the latter toting Geo-Force, who apparently beat them to the crime scene. Roy fires off a volley, which Fatality blocks; Joker suggests she defeat them quickly, before Batman has time to devise a ludicrous method of defeating them; she uses her powers to, er, I don't really know all that much about her; she knocks them out, anyway.

Things aren't going much better over at the hospital, where Diana and Kendra are under attack by the Cheetah, Killer Frost, and Doctor Light. Diana gets hit by the latter two at the same time, leaving her on the floor in a big block of ice; Kendra, who was knocked aside earlier, picks up her mace, but Light uses his light to cut it in two; urged by Wonder Woman to go get help, Kendra flies off. Light wants to shoot her down, but Cheetah says she's bait.

"Hours later" (geez, use the phone, Kendra), she crashes through the roof of the Hall of Justice, and lands in the midst of the partygoers; she says that Cheetah, Light, Joker, and Luthor are all working together. Super says that they heard the lady; the party's over.

To be continued...

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A good issue. There are obvious echoes of McDuffie's work on JLU, but I loved that show, so I don't mind. The art is kind of static, though (and could we please get Lex a better costume?).

[Raker616]

So let me get this straight Hal is some cheap, broke, inept, bad friend, who can't put together a bachelor party for his best friend. Then he gets the boot from The JLA that he founded and has to apologize because the DCU sees John only as his replacement give me a break. Good job Dwayne why don't you just have Hal call Tom Pieface again since we apparantly are going back to the days were Hal was an inept person who one wonders how he became Green Lantern. Thank god I can now drop JLA, and call it what it is the worst relaunch of the series ever thank god for GL #23 and someone that actually knows how to write Hal.

[CaptainCanada]

So let me get this straight Hal is some cheap, broke, inept, bad friend, who can't put together a bachelor party for his best friend.
He does put together a bachelor party, but they learn on their way in that Ollie doesn't want strippers, so they have to stall him and shoo them off. As for money, he's not meant to be rich (the strippers want only cash, so credit cards don't help).

[LordAllMighty]

So let me get this straight Hal is some cheap, broke, inept, bad friend, who can't put together a bachelor party for his best friend. Then he gets the boot from The JLA that he founded and has to apologize because the DCU sees John only as his replacement give me a break. Good job Dwayne why don't you just have Hal call Tom Pieface again since we apparantly are going back to the days were Hal was an inept person who one wonders how he became Green Lantern. Thank god I can now drop JLA, and call it what it is the worst relaunch of the series ever thank god for GL #23 and someone that actually knows how to write Hal.

So out of everything you read, the thing that bothers you the most is that Hal didn't have enough money on him to pay some strippers.

I'm guessing you're reading the book for Hal.;)

[Raker616]

^You think, between Dwayne and Brad I don't know which is worse Hal being broke and an idiot or when Brad wrote Hal as simpy being there and never doing anything he might as well have been a statue during his run.

[CaptainCanada]

^You think, between Dwayne and Brad I don't know which is worse Hal being broke and an idiot or when Brad wrote Hal as simpy being there and never doing anything he might as well have been a statue during his run.
Do you habitually carry $3600 in cash on you?

[Raker616]

Who doesn't?.

[Rattlehead]

Where are you going to keep cash in a pair of tights?

[Raker616]

I keep mine in a pocket universe, that's also where I keep my drugs.

[Sean Walsh]

Well, at least we're not complaining that there are strippers on the DCU New Earth. :p

And kudos to McDuffie using a 2000 Year Old Man reference.

[stamen]

I thought it was a decent issue. I do think Hal is getting the shaft, but I'm happy to see John around. The thing that bugs me is that he doesn't really mention the Sinestro Corps war... that's as good of a reason as any to bug out for a while.

The thing that bothered me the most was Luthor's speech to the bad guys... something about making the world a place where crime has free reign. That's not Lex. Lex wants a world that he can profit in for sure, but his motivation is largely driven by his desire to see human beings take charge of their own destiny, rather than relying on heroes, particularly alien heroes like Superman.

Lex is more of a "Lawful Evil" kind of guy, and McDuffie's caption made him sound like a "Chaotic Evil" character, which is more up the Joker's alley. That's the only major thing that I didn't care for though.

[stamen]

One more thing that bugged me was Batman's orgasmic dialogue about Firestorm's powers. The most powerful human being on earth...???

I guess if you say enough times maybe 1% of the DC Comics fans are going to believe that crap.

[CaptainCanada]

One more thing that bugged me was Batman's orgasmic dialogue about Firestorm's powers. The most powerful human being on earth...???

I guess if you say enough times maybe 1% of the DC Comics fans are going to believe that crap.
He can turn anything into anything.

[Magneto Rocks]

The thing that bothered me the most was Luthor's speech to the bad guys... something about making the world a place where crime has free reign. That's not Lex. Lex wants a world that he can profit in for sure, but his motivation is largely driven by his desire to see human beings take charge of their own destiny, rather than relying on heroes, particularly alien heroes like Superman.

Lex is more of a "Lawful Evil" kind of guy, and McDuffie's caption made him sound like a "Chaotic Evil" character, which is more up the Joker's alley. That's the only major thing that I didn't care for though.

Sure... Lex SAYS that. But we all know we can trust Luthor, right?

Based on JLU, I wouldn't exactly take the words coming out of Luthor's mouse when penned by McDuffie seriously JUST yet. Inevitably he has an ulterior goal.

[drwho]

One thing I thought odd about this version of Luthor is in the past didn't he have more concern over freeing people from being around superheroes. In this issue he literally says in a crazy way that crime is a good thing. I wasnt expecting to here that come out of Luthor's mouth.

[Greg Anderson]

One thing I thought odd about this version of Luthor is in the past didn't he have more concern over freeing people from being around superheroes. In this issue he literally says in a crazy way that crime is a good thing. I wasnt expecting to here that come out of Luthor's mouth.

Ditto. That was what actually bothered me now that I think about it.

[CaptainCanada]

If he's trying to convince a bunch of unapologetic criminals to join him, that's what he would say.

[RabidWolfe]

Based solely on the cover, I thought Black Canary and Wonder Woman were getting married and DC was taking the next step after their Question/Batwoman outing, or something.

[CaptainCanada]

Based solely on the cover, I thought Black Canary and Wonder Woman were getting married and DC was taking the next step after their Question/Batwoman outing, or something.
Now that would be the event of the year.

[bjtrdff]

Firestorm effectively is, even without the ludichrist no organics thing. He could still kill virtually anyone composed of matter with a thought.

[davros42]

Yes, Firestorm is potentially (key word there, potentially) one of the most powerful superheroes on Earth.

Yes, Luthor (among others) is acting out of character here.

Wow, Hal don't let the door hit you on the way out, John's back in. John's also sounding a bit more gruff and tough, like his cartoon counterpart.

Also, the last panel, John and the wounded Kendra looking dreamily into each other's eyes... $20 says they hook up before the end of the arc.

In summation, a whole lotta cheese and not offensively bad, but not amazingly good either.

[Exslade ZX]

Who was the bad guy that looked like Mr. Terrific...?

[Hawkman]

Also, the last panel, John and the wounded Kendra looking dreamily into each other's eyes... $20 says they hook up before the end of the arc.
Doubt it. And if it does, I'll be pretty floored. I was beaten over the head with enough HG/GL action in JLU to last me a lifetime. Plus, she just "hooked up," as they say, with Roy in the last issue. It's bad enough in my opinion that the Hawks were ever split up to begin with, but to have Kendra go from Roy to John so quickly and out of the blue would hurt the way she's perceived by some. I'd rather not use the word the fanboys would start referring to her with, but I guarantee you, it would be said.

Suggestion to you, Mr. McDuffie: If you absolutely must do the HG/GL thing all over again, then bring back Shayera. Please. She never should've been killed off in the first place, and if you're trying to bring aspects of JLU into the book, she's a lot closer to the mold of the Hawkgirl you're used to working with. She's also a better fit for John than Kendra, as far as I'm concerned.

Anywho, on the whole, I liked this issue. The superhero bachelor(ette) parties felt a little bit cheesy to me, but overall this was a lot more in line with the Justice League I'm used to reading about. IE, stuff actually happened. I'm a little peeved at the way Hal is being shoved off the team so suddenly, seemingly over the course of a few pages, but it beats the alternative of if Meltzer were doing it; it would take six inner-monologue-filled issues, minimum. The Luthor speech: I'm inclined to agree with those of the mind that Luthor's saying what he needs to to get what he wants. Reminded me a lot of the Lex we saw in Justice, actually.

Bottom line is I'm already very pleased with where the title looks to be headed now. Character development is great, but action is primarily what I buy Justice League for, and I'm finally going to get it, me thinks. So if your out there, Dwayne, congrats and thanks for making the Justice League exciting to me again. And if I may repeat myself, please bring back Shayera.:D

[Cayman]

Who was the bad guy that looked like Mr. Terrific...?

Was it Mr. Terrible, the character introduced in Villains United?

[spidervenom]

I really liked this issue really better than any of meltzers run.

[Gottaluvit]

Also, the last panel, John and the wounded Kendra looking dreamily into each other's eyes... $20 says they hook up before the end of the arc.




Wow, You sure have a better imagination then I do to have seen the looking 'dreamily into eachs others eyes" Maybe its a concussion or loss of blood that made Kendra's eyes glaze over, she sure didn't seem to be in any state to be making doey eyes at anyone..

[Greg Anderson]

LOL, I don't think that last page was anything special. If anything, it was just a nod to the fans of the JLU. That's be about it. I don't think anything should happen with John or Kendra. I wouldn't want to see anything happen.

[Young Avenger]

I passed on this issue believing that the focus will be on Canary/GW wedding. After reading the summary it setup McDuffie run on JLA. Now I have pick it up next time I go to my LCS

[protege]

Okay- i like how the villians came together, and how the heroes came together to help Firestorm. Don't know who some of them bad guys are, or why the Joker's involved- did i see the original Black Condor at the bachelor party? Also, i REALLY don't like Gehanna as Jason's "other half."

[stamen]

Firestorm effectively is, even without the ludichrist no organics thing. He could still kill virtually anyone composed of matter with a thought.

Yeah. DC can keep selling us beach front property in Ohio. I'm just saying that fans like me are like, "Whatever." They are pimping us a "top tier" character that I never heard anyone asking for... whether its Ronnie or Jason, it's still just Firestorm... meh.

[David Atkins]

Well, at least we're not complaining that there are strippers on the DCU New Earth. :p

And kudos to McDuffie using a 2000 Year Old Man reference.

They are exotic dancers. Show some respect! >_<

:p

I want this issue now.

[Akelexre]

Yeah, this was fun.

FUN.

Paying homage to/making fun of Brad's famous scene of the big three sitting around the table, choosing who'll be in the league...

...making Batman into pure, unbridled BatGOD...

...addressing the race issue head on with Hal and Stewart ["You always end up having to take a lot of crap"]...

..the freaking Injustice League Unlimited (yes, I love the cartoon dammit)...

...McKone making Cheetah as hot as she's ever been....

...this issue was for the win.



Suggestion to you, Mr. McDuffie: If you absolutely must do the HG/GL thing all over again, then bring back Shayera. Please. She never should've been killed off in the first place, and if you're trying to bring aspects of JLU into the book, she's a lot closer to the mold of the Hawkgirl you're used to working with. She's also a better fit for John than Kendra, as far as I'm concerned.


Yes. I could use me some Shayera.

I think if ever you were going to bring her back, now would be a good time for it...

[The Zapper]

or why the Joker's involved-

Ask Alexander Luthor what happens if you you don't include Joker.

[Adamantium_Avatar]

With regard to Firestorm.. Read Obsidian Age!

He is exceedingly powerful :eek:

[Tom]

Yeah. DC can keep selling us beach front property in Ohio. I'm just saying that fans like me are like, "Whatever." They are pimping us a "top tier" character that I never heard anyone asking for... whether its Ronnie or Jason, it's still just Firestorm... meh.

You're reading way too much into it. All the way back in the satellite days when Ronnie joined, it was understood that he was potentially one of the most powerful beings on earth and it was stated often.

[4thHorseman]

Maybe it's just me, but was that knockout sitting down in the meeting with the villains? Only could tell the facemask and hair, but to me it kinda resembled her.

[sinjection]

Also, the last panel, John and the wounded Kendra looking dreamily into each other's eyes... $20 says they hook up before the end of the arc.


I think Kendra was losing consciousness. John may have been trying to look into her eyes to assess the state of her health....brain damage or something. Kendra isn't Shayera. Kendra just hopped out of Red Arrow's bed for pete's sake.

Vixen is right there, John! Whatchoo waitin' on?

As for CN JL John Stewart and Shayera Hol, there should be a special DVD produced that shows those two getting married or something. Provide closure.

I hope that when John Stewart is serving time with the League while Hal Jordan is away, they portray him as having the green eyes he had in the animated program.

[NeoStar9X]

Aren't John's eyes green in Green Lantern already though? I think they are, cause I remember reading #21 thinking "Cool his eyes are green just like the animated version". It stood out to me because I know the two versions are differnet from each other how ever him making the sniper rifle kinda blured things a little since I would think a more military minded person (as the animated JS was) would come up with something like that.

[sinjection]

Aren't John's eyes green in Green Lantern already though? I think they are, cause I remember reading #21 thinking "Cool his eyes are green just like the animated version". It stood out to me because I know the two versions are differnet from each other how ever him making the sniper rifle kinda blured things a little since I would think a more military minded person (as the animated JS was) would come up with something like that.


I remember his eyes glowing green in the short series he had or maybe it was a brief appearance in the Green Lantern publication during an absence of Hal Jordan. I really like that glowing eyes effect. It makes him unique among the GL Corps.

[Shonuff]

I think Kendra was losing consciousness. John may have been trying to look into her eyes to assess the state of her health....brain damage or something. Kendra isn't Shayera. Kendra just hopped out of Red Arrow's bed for pete's sake.

No need to say "think" that's exactly what it was, just that someone with an over active imagination saw something different.

[LordAllMighty]

Vixen is right there, John! Whatchoo waitin' on?

For real. Now that I think about it, has John ever dated a black/human woman.:confused:

[Ultimate Jim]

I really enjoyed this issue. There were several great moments with Batman, for starters.

I loved the first couple of pages- I've seen a few folks point out the gentle slap at Meltzer's having the team constantly sitting around a table picking out new members. But, there was also the poke at Meltzer's device of having the "camera" focused on a close-up of the chest of the "Big Three"--- to make them seem more iconic. That device made a lot of sense back in Identity Crisis, which was sorta told from the point of view of the B List JLAers--- but it got old when used in the regular series.

Anyway, I would have dropped JLA a few issues ago, but I heard McDuffie was coming on, and kept the book just for that reason. I'm now really, really excited about this book!

[shaunyc56]

So let me get this straight Hal is some cheap, broke, inept, bad friend, who can't put together a bachelor party for his best friend. Then he gets the boot from The JLA that he founded and has to apologize because the DCU sees John only as his replacement give me a break. Good job Dwayne why don't you just have Hal call Tom Pieface again since we apparantly are going back to the days were Hal was an inept person who one wonders how he became Green Lantern. Thank god I can now drop JLA, and call it what it is the worst relaunch of the series ever thank god for GL #23 and someone that actually knows how to write Hal.

Hmmm, when I was in the Marines, I didn't remember the pilots being rich... 2 Green Lanterns around, Hal gets a Green Lantern business call and leaves to take care of it.... Doing his duty, nah that's no Hal Jordan I've ever heard of. Having a heartfelt discussion w/ his freind and partner about something that other people do that bothers him, why would a guy like Hal do that at all?
:rolleyes:

[sinjection]

For real. Now that I think about it, has John ever dated a black/human woman.:confused:

I'm not sure GL John Stewart has been in enough books lately to begin a relationship with ANY woman. If he's not in the JLA for as long as I'd like for him to be, I hope he at least makes a play for Vixen before he's shunted back off to oblivion.

[Jamie]

Yeah. DC can keep selling us beach front property in Ohio. I'm just saying that fans like me are like, "Whatever." They are pimping us a "top tier" character that I never heard anyone asking for... whether its Ronnie or Jason, it's still just Firestorm... meh.

I must be the only person on the planet who would rather read a Justice League with Firestorm or Captain Atom as the big gun than Superman or Wonder Woman. :(

[Xero]

Yes, Firestorm is potentially (key word there, potentially) one of the most powerful superheroes on Earth.

Yes, Luthor (among others) is acting out of character here.

Wow, Hal don't let the door hit you on the way out, John's back in. John's also sounding a bit more gruff and tough, like his cartoon counterpart.

Also, the last panel, John and the wounded Kendra looking dreamily into each other's eyes... $20 says they hook up before the end of the arc.

In summation, a whole lotta cheese and not offensively bad, but not amazingly good either.

I'm amazed at how many assumptions you managed to jump to there, kinda has to be a record huh?

Anyway, in my opinion this was an excellent first issue, and I loved seeing Jason and John again.

[Magneto Rocks]

Having now re-read it, I'm definitely sold. I'm onboard for as long as McDuffie is writing.

One aspect I like I HOPE is maintained to a degree in the ongoing series, is the kind of shifting membership. I know many people like a clearly defined team but I'm not one of them, and I loved seeing Speedy and Ollie and Dinah and Firestorm etc, as to my mind the JLA book should always be the real flagship of DC and encompass the whole DC universe. (Even though the main principals- Batman, Roy, Wonder Woman, Kendra etc, were all members of Meltzer's JLA. Well, plus John and Firestorm.)

A pity we'll see so little of the Injustice League, but I'll wait a bit before judging them as I heavily doubt we can trust old Lexie when he announces his intentions. Great stuff all round.

A solid 8,.5/10!

[hangmanjury]

Was it Mr. Terrible, the character introduced in Villains United?

Definitely him. He's Mr. Terrible, and everything he does turns to crap.

Loved the issue, but couldn't McDuffie or McKone have picked a better grouping of villains in the Lex speech scene? That looks so pathetic.

I'd also like to see Slade played up more. After being such a key figure in the Society last year, being the only one of the big six to rejoin and just be a bit player here is kinda out of character.

[titanfan]

What powers does Fatality have now? Does she have a Sinestro ring? I couldn't tell.

My big "beef" with this issue is that it was called "Wedding Special" and there still was no wedding! They should have cancelled the "Wedding Planner" issue and made this the pre-wedding story instead.

I'd also like to see Slade played up more. After being such a key figure in the Society last year, being the only one of the big six to rejoin and just be a bit player here is kinda out of character.

If I were Deathstroke, I'd bitch about being a bit player when Cheetah is one of the leaders.

[Miss Kitty Fantastico]

See, that's how you get me to buy JLA: do 'Challenge of the Superfriends' Redux, and make it awesome. There were so many parts of this issue that had me grinning with geeky glee - the Hall of Doom, Luthor speechifying from the podium, Cheetah being kick-ass, spotting poor, useless old Black Manta in the background... heck, I even got a chuckle out of Batman, and normally he bores me to tears. I thought McDuffie did a great job taking over Fantastic Four and instantly making it fresh and lively, but he's outdone himself here. I'm most definitely on board for the duration of this Injustice League story.

I'm just hoping that with Cheetah being such a vivid, cool part of the neo-Legion of Doom's Unholy Trinity, Wonder Woman will likewise get to actually seem comparable to Superman and Batman in the League - she's had a rough time of late, she could use a little positive attention.

[Greg Anderson]

I must be the only person on the planet who would rather read a Justice League with Firestorm or Captain Atom as the big gun than Superman or Wonder Woman. :(

Honestly, I really wouldn't mind not having the Trinity as part of the JLA just for a good bit of a run. Give some other characters bits to develop without the big trio. But have the trio come into the stories when it's really major or just as guest stars from time to time to help out.

[Jamie]

Honestly, I really wouldn't mind not having the Trinity as part of the JLA just for a good bit of a run. Give some other characters bits to develop without the big trio. But have the trio come into the stories when it's really major or just as guest stars from time to time to help out.

Exactly. If I wanted to read about Superman or Batman, there's plenty of places for me to get my fix. I understand the logic that the marquee superteam should have the Big Guns in it, but it doesn't really do much for me.

With the talk of this special, I may just pick it up to check out the current line-up, both fictional and creative.

[Sean Walsh]

They are exotic dancers. Show some respect! >_<

Batman called them "strippers."

Do you claim to know better than the Bat? I would hope not, sir. :p

[monkeysweat]

I must be the only person on the planet who would rather read a Justice League with Firestorm or Captain Atom as the big gun than Superman or Wonder Woman. :(You're really not. I'm with you.

Honestly, I really wouldn't mind not having the Trinity as part of the JLA just for a good bit of a run. Give some other characters bits to develop without the big trio. But have the trio come into the stories when it's really major or just as guest stars from time to time to help out.
I'm with you also.

[Raker616]

Hmmm, when I was in the Marines, I didn't remember the pilots being rich... 2 Green Lanterns around, Hal gets a Green Lantern business call and leaves to take care of it.... Doing his duty, nah that's no Hal Jordan I've ever heard of. Having a heartfelt discussion w/ his freind and partner about something that other people do that bothers him, why would a guy like Hal do that at all?

Hal apologizing to John for him not being taken serious by the DCU, is something that Hal would never say since he's always treates John with nothing but respect. Face it Dwayne wanted to force John down our throats again and sent Hal packing, it's that simple at least he should man up and say it. DC once again dropped the ball and this will only lead to more and more strife between fans and it's only issue 1 of his JLA run.

[sinjection]

Anyway, in my opinion this was an excellent first issue, and I loved seeing Jason and John again.

Agreed. I always enjoy seeing John Stewart. Hal Jordan is prominently featured in the GL Corps publication isn't he? Whenever I thumb through that title at the shop in hopes of catching a glimpse of Stewart, I never see him. If Jordan, Rayner, Gardner can be represented in that publication, but for some reason, John Stewart never seems to be, then I don't see any reason why John Stewart shouldn't be the GL of the JLA.

[sinjection]

[QUOTE=Raker616;5467471
Hal apologizing to John for him not being taken serious by the DCU, is something that Hal would never say since he's always treates John with nothing but respect.[/QUOTE]

Pee Wee Reese treated Jackie Robinson with great respect as well. It's very possible Reese could have made apology to Jackie Robinson for the racist, ignorant, idiocy of other white baseball players and white baseball fans who tried to make Jackie's every waking baseball-playing moment a living nightmare.

I'm ecstatic to see John Stewart in the JLA. He never seems to be shown in the Green Lantern Corps book. Aside from Jason Roush, John Stewart is probably the most powerful black superhero - not only in the DC Universe - but in the whole of the comic book industry. For him not to be featured in any DC publication doesn't make any sense. McDuffie is correcting an egregious oversight in my opinion. I don't see why "Hal" fans have to be so selfish.

[Great Muppety Odin]

Certainly I can't be the only one who noticed the strippers looked a helluva lot like Roxy and Caitlin from Gen13 and Rogue, can I?

[LordAllMighty]

What powers does Fatality have now? Does she have a Sinestro ring? I couldn't tell.

It would seem that she got another Qwardian yellow power ring but without the connection to the Sinestro Crop.:confused:

[Gottaluvit]

Pee Wee Reese treated Jackie Robinson with great respect as well. It's very possible Reese could have made apology to Jackie Robinson for the racist, ignorant, idiocy of other white baseball players and white baseball fans who tried to make Jackie's every waking baseball-playing moment a living nightmare.

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I agree, but in this case Hal was apologising to John for something I beleive John had actually called himself.

If memory serves me correctly "The Black Lantern" was a term John tagged himself many years ago.

The apology would have made more sense if it had simply been left as an apology for the crap John's had to take, rather then the two examples given that were once terms John himself used.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Given that John Stewart, thanks to the Justice League cartoons, is one of the most prominent superheroes, black or white, that DC has at the moment, it made no sense for him to not be appearing regularly anywhere in the DCU for the past year. McDuffie has corrected that by swapping out Hal, who has own solo series, for John. Yes, it sucks that Hal never actually did anything during the 12 issues that Meltzer had him on the team, but that isn't McDuffie's fault.

It also means that McDuffie has more JLA members on the team that he's the primary writer for. John, Hawkgirl, Black Lightning, Vixen, Roy and now Firestorm are all his to do with as he'd like, which gives him the opportunity to do some character building mixed in with the Big Guns saving the world stuff.

My only hope is that Geo-Force continues to play such a small role...or is brushed off-stage as quickly as possible. Wasting anymore page space on Meltzer's Terra-fetish doesn't strike me as a worthwhile pursuit. Again, if Meltzer couldn't find anything for him to do in 12 issues, that's not McDuffie's fault.

[hangmanjury]

John and Hal agreed to swap JLA duties from time to time, so it's not like we won't ever see Hal.

Meltzer's lineup sucked anyway. I'd much rather see Firestorm than either Vixen, Red Tornado, or Geo-Force.

Also, not McDuffie's fault that Meltzer had everyone doing nothing.

[Gottaluvit]

John and Hal agreed to swap JLA duties from time to time, so it's not like we won't ever see Hal.

Meltzer's lineup sucked anyway. I'd much rather see Firestorm than either Vixen, Red Tornado, or Geo-Force.

Also, not McDuffie's fault that Meltzer had everyone doing nothing.



I beleive we won't see Hal. I'm almost positive the rotating them thing was just to pacify Hal fans. McDuffie was asked by a Hal fan if he really intended to rotate them, Dwayne's answer to the fan was that he had no intentions of talking about what was going to happen in the future of the team but that he strongly suspected the fan would not like his run.

That sure sounded like Hal's off the team till Dwayne finishes writing the book to me. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Meltzers lineup was great, we just never got to see the potential played out. We'll just have to see if McDuffie can hold the readers Meltzer had.

[Shonuff]

I don't see what the fuss is about Hal leaving the team and John replacing him...I mean I consider myself a Hal fan, I've been reading GL since he came back, which is the main point. Hal has his OWN series, Guy had a mini and is featured in GL corps, Kyle had the Ion series and is a big player right now and for the forseeable future, but John was usually nowhere to be found, and that made NO sense whatsoever.

[Raker616]

I guess that Hawkgirl is also a prominant hero considering her role on JLU also right?. Give me a break you are obviously overestimating the popularity of JLU as most John fans do, Hal is the most popular GL and always has been no matter how much DC tries to force John on to fans like they did Kyle it isn't gonna work. The Trinity also have their own solo comics why aren't they being replaced by Donna Troy, Azreal, or Steel?, simple Dwayne wants to relive JLU and it's a shame because while JLU was a good show it's not what JLA the comic is about.

[Shonuff]

I guess that Hawkgirl is also a prominant hero considering her role on JLU also right?. Give me a break you are obviously overestimating the popularity of JLU as most John fans do, Hal is the most popular GL and always has been no matter how much DC tries to force John on to fans like they did Kyle it isn't gonna work. The Trinity also have their own solo comics why aren't they being replaced by Donna Troy, Azreal, or Steel?, simple Dwayne wants to relive JLU and it's a shame because while JLU was a good show it's not what JLA the comic is about.

It's hard to say which green Lantern is the most popular...Hal has leigons of fans, as does Kyle, and John has a whole generation of kids who know him and only him as the Green Lantern. I don't see what the issue is with Dwayne bringing in John....Justice League is a team that's always had members coming and going, on a title like that you'll always have writers bringing in or trying to bring in characters they like....Yes the Trinity all have their own solo series, but none of them are really replacabel, they're not legacy characters like Green Lantern is, there is no one true Green Lantern, so if a writer wants to bring in one he prefers more, I see no problem with it.

I guess it just doesn't bother me because I like ALL the earth GL's and don't have some unnatural attatchment to a single one.

[Raker616]

No it's not Hal Jordan is the most popular GL, that isn't up for much debate Hal was in the Superfriends which is the only animated series that reached pop culture and most people my age know of. GL isn't a legacy character either, while DC has tried to pass of the mantle it always comes back to Hal The Green Lantern and btw the trinity has had replacements as i've already mentioned.

[Bored at 3:00AM]

Sorry Raker, episodes of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have been played around the world in several different languages for several years now, that's a much wider net than Super Friends, which Hal was only a part of for one season, ever had or ever will have.

Not that it really matters, but John Stewart is the better known GL at this point. Once the Justice League live action movie comes out, which will probably also have John filling the GL spot, GL will forevermore be known as "The Black Dude with The Magic Ring" to the general public.

[hangmanjury]

Sorry Raker, episodes of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have been played around the world in several different languages for several years now, that's a much wider net than Super Friends, which Hal was only a part of for one season, ever had or ever will have.

Not that it really matters, but John Stewart is the better known GL at this point. Once the Justice League live action movie comes out, which will probably also have John filling the GL spot, GL will forevermore be known as "The Black Dude with The Magic Ring" to the general public.
Yep, just about everyone at my nephew's school knows John Stewart as the one and only Green Lantern.

[Shonuff]

No it's not Hal Jordan is the most popular GL, that isn't up for much debate Hal was in the Superfriends which is the only animated series that reached pop culture and most people my age know of. GL isn't a legacy character either, while DC has tried to pass of the mantle it always comes back to Hal The Green Lantern and btw the trinity has had replacements as i've already mentioned.


As other have already said Justice Leage and JLU have reached wider auidiences than Superfriends did. So you have a whole generation of Fans that know John and ONLY John as GL....I don't get the whole there's only one true GL crap (especially in regards to Hal seeing as how Alan Scott existed before he did) when there are thousands of them just by the very nature of the corps....Hal, John, Kyle, and Guy are all equally viable characters so I just don't see what all the whining is about (and yes it IS whining).

And the three people you mentioned were all temporary made to be gotten rid off at some point replacements...The characters that make up the trinity are just as famous for their secret ID's as they are for the superhero personas, GL isn't....Heck 50 years from now they'll be some new Lantern that all the kids love and all the old foggies will be complaining about how much they miss Kyle.

[sabongero]

Granted it was the return of Hal Jordan in Green Lantern: Rebirth that got me back into reading comic books. But it was John Stewart's role as the Green Lantern of Justice League Unlimited, and the way he was utilized in that cartoon series, that enamored him with a new generation of kids.

And like the previous posters good points, Hal being in many titles, Guy and Kyle being in other titles, and John very under-utlized...give him the JLoA appearances and membership.

But that's not going to happen. The DC editors are "doing the right thing" and capitalizing on Hal Jordan's resurgent popularity. And that Hal's overuse in many titles is just plain bad luck for the John Stewart character.

[sinjection]

I beleive we won't see Hal. I'm almost positive the rotating them thing was just to pacify Hal fans.

Maybe we'll see Hal in the JLA again soon or maybe we won't. "Hal fans" won't have to go without seeing their boy in print. As I read earlier, Hal is featured in two other publications. Where has John Stewart been?

For many Lantern fans, it's either Hal because he was the "first and the best", Kyle because he's so "kewl" and "creative" or Guy because he's so "kewl" in a "kick ass" way. In my opinion, John Stewart is a more interesting character than Guy, Kyle and Hal. Bruce Timm thought so too. Many Hal and Kyle fans hated that John Stewart was chosen as the animated JL GL. Many if not most, claimed that the only reason why Stewart was chosen was the fact he was black and the producers probably felt they needed a black character on the team to promote diversity. That was one of the reasons. However Bruce Timm states in "Modern Masters Volume Three: Bruce Timm", that he's always liked the Green Lantern John Stewart. In one of the commentary segments accompanying the Justice League Episodes on the DVD set, Bruce Timm says that John Stewart has always been his favorite Green Lantern. He's not alone in that opinion.

The animated version of Stewart was bold, hard-core and miltary proper. As Katma Tui observed, Stewart used his ring like a battering ram. However, the comic book version of Stewart is very precise with the use of his ring. He generates as much raw and sheer power as Hal or Guy and his architectural expertise allows him to produce ring constructs every bit as creative as Kyle but more practical as well. When John rotates into the JLA for Hal, the league may actually be getting the BETTER Lantern of the two.

Meltzers lineup was great, we just never got to see the potential played out. We'll just have to see if McDuffie can hold the readers Meltzer had.

Metzler's line-up was "so-so". What he did to Vixen is almost criminal. Some fans complained that Vixen was too much like Animal Man. And so now, Vixen is like the Rogue of the DCU, or more precisely, the Synch of the DCU. My prediction: not only will McDuffie hold the readers Metzler had, he will increase the number of readers of the JLA publication. I only read Metzler's run because I'm an Ed Benes fan. Metzler's stories were kind of boring. The only kind of action he seemed interested in was who was going to get whose "tail", warnings from an overly-protective super-heroine to a winged tart not to "hurt" her little Red Arrow. His dialogue was extremely sappy and maudlin. Black Canary gets all weepy because Arsenal is wearing a red replica of Green Arrow's costume?

I sure hope McDuffie doesn't go there with his.

[sinjection]

I don't see what the fuss is about Hal leaving the team and John replacing him...I mean I consider myself a Hal fan, I've been reading GL since he came back, which is the main point. Hal has his OWN series, Guy had a mini and is featured in GL corps, Kyle had the Ion series and is a big player right now and for the forseeable future, but John was usually nowhere to be found, and that made NO sense whatsoever.


Sho nuff, Shonuff!

Out of sight. Out of mind. John Stewart deserves far better than that. As you say, Hal Jordan has a solo series. The other Earth Lanterns are well represented. Where was John Stewart?

Thanks to Dwayne McDuffie, we don't have to ask that question anymore.

[sinjection]

Sorry Raker, episodes of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have been played around the world in several different languages for several years now, that's a much wider net than Super Friends, which Hal was only a part of for one season, ever had or ever will have.

Not that it really matters, but John Stewart is the better known GL at this point. Once the Justice League live action movie comes out, which will probably also have John filling the GL spot, GL will forevermore be known as "The Black Dude with The Magic Ring" to the general public.

Oh lawd. Now you've gone and done it. :D

[sinjection]

Yep, just about everyone at my nephew's school knows John Stewart as the one and only Green Lantern.

Not to worry Hal fans. Once a teacher was relating the history of Hip Hop Kulture and Rap music to her Fifth Grade class during Black History Month. One of her students - a white male - took issue with her statement that Rap music was one of the genres created by black American performers. He told her she was wrong. He then informed her that eminem invented Rap.

So you see? Kids who mistakenly believe John Stewart is the one and only Green Lantern will discover the truth as they grow older ;)

[sinjection]

And I got no problem with a John, Vixen, Hawkgirl triangle.


I would.

John and Vixen should be like magnets of opposing polarities. They should be strongly attracted to each other and "click" together strong and tight. Hawkgirl has already bedded Red Arrow.

Let John and Vixen get together, get to lovin' and then the whole team should get to the action which is what the comic book should be about anyway.

[Nate Grey]

I'd prefer John in the League. Not only is he a cool character, but Hal's already got his own book. So does Guy. John's been in a sort of limbo since Infinite Crisis.

I agree with this 100% and am glad he's in the League now. I also want to add, thanks to that Countdown Wildstorm One-Shot, I like the idea of Kyle, Donna, and Jason starring in a book together. Or even just Kyle and Donna, I think they make a cool couple. When was the last time we had a superhero couple going on adventures together (though I think something like that is in the future for Ollie and Dinah)?

[Rattlehead]

I guess that Hawkgirl is also a prominant hero considering her role on JLU also right?. Give me a break you are obviously overestimating the popularity of JLU as most John fans do, Hal is the most popular GL and always has been no matter how much DC tries to force John on to fans like they did Kyle it isn't gonna work. The Trinity also have their own solo comics why aren't they being replaced by Donna Troy, Azreal, or Steel?, simple Dwayne wants to relive JLU and it's a shame because while JLU was a good show it's not what JLA the comic is about.

Everyone has their own favorite Green Lantern, that's why so many keep hanging around. My personal favorites are Alan Scott and JOHN STEWART,and I've liked John since I started reading comics as a kid. Every Green Lantern has something special and unique that they bring to the table, and each one has their own subset of fans. Kyle fans have ION and countdown for their favorite, Guy Gardner fans have GLC, Alan Scott fans have JSA and JSA Classified, and Hal fans have the main GL book, GLC, the Sinestro Corps stuff, JLA, and the Brave and the Bold. There's plenty of places to read about Hal, but until now there was no place to read about John Stewart, which is a downright crime. For all of Didio's talk about diversity, and replacing established characters with more diverese replacements, they had a completely original and organic Black character, that already had a fanbase, sittiing on the sidelines. That made absolutely no sense whatsover. John is a great and complex character with a rich history, and he deserves to be in the spotlight somewhere. Couple that with the fact that the JLU dvd's are selling rather well, it makes sense from a story standpoint and a business standpoint for John to be in the League. I'm puzzled as to why he wasn't there in the first place.

[Jamie]

I wanna know why John Stewart got the spot over G'Nort? He's a Green Lantern with an established JL pedigree!!!11!!!one! ;)

I'm definitely gonna check out McDuffie's JLA run, now. It sounds like it will have characters I'm interested in.

[Raker616]

Sorry Raker, episodes of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have been played around the world in several different languages for several years now, that's a much wider net than Super Friends, which Hal was only a part of for one season, ever had or ever will have.

And Super Friends wasn't again I ask where does this thought that JLU was a huge mega pop culture success come from?. JLU was cancelled because not enough kids were watching it and it was mainly seen by hardcore fans. Any reference to the JLA comes from Super Friends, JLU was just a blip on the JLA radar and nothing more.

Not that it really matters, but John Stewart is the better known GL at this point. Once the Justice League live action movie comes out, which will probably also have John filling the GL spot, GL will forevermore be known as "The Black Dude with The Magic Ring" to the general public.

No, he's not Hal is the most known and popular GL and I guess that people think that Catwoman is black too since she was in a movie. Hal will always be the most popular and well known GL, he's survived everything and come back bigger and stronger than ever and that won't change because of this non sense.

[Shonuff]

Sorry Raker, episodes of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited have been played around the world in several different languages for several years now, that's a much wider net than Super Friends, which Hal was only a part of for one season, ever had or ever will have.

And Super Friends wasn't again I ask where does this thought that JLU was a huge mega pop culture success come from?. JLU was cancelled because not enough kids were watching it and it was mainly seen by hardcore fans. Any reference to the JLA comes from Super Friends, JLU was just a blip on the JLA radar and nothing more.

Not that it really matters, but John Stewart is the better known GL at this point. Once the Justice League live action movie comes out, which will probably also have John filling the GL spot, GL will forevermore be known as "The Black Dude with The Magic Ring" to the general public.

No, he's not Hal is the most known and popular GL and I guess that people think that Catwoman is black too since she was in a movie. Hal will always be the most popular and well known GL, he's survived everything and come back bigger and stronger than ever and that won't change because of this non sense.

What they're trying to say is that a generation of kids know only John Stewart as Green Lantern, just like another Generation only knows Hal, and another only knew Alan Scott.

And actually yes quite a few people think Catwoman is black, because Eartha Kitt played her on TV. Hal is the most popular GL to SOME, just like Kyle is to SOME, and just like John Stewart is to SOME....They're all on equal footing as far as I'm concerned.

[Raker616]

As other have already said Justice Leage and JLU have reached wider auidiences than Superfriends did. So you have a whole generation of Fans that know John and ONLY John as GL....I don't get the whole there's only one true GL crap (especially in regards to Hal seeing as how Alan Scott existed before he did) when there are thousands of them just by the very nature of the corps....Hal, John, Kyle, and Guy are all equally viable characters so I just don't see what all the whining is about (and yes it IS whining).

Again you are wildly overstating the popularity of JLU, it wasn't that popular and has already been mostly forgotten while Super Friends has lived on for decades now. If you don't know the history of Alan as compared to Hal then you might want to study up because it's been stated over and over again. And while there may be many GL's there is only one main GL and that's Hal because he's the basis of the mythos and a founder of the JLA.

And the three people you mentioned were all temporary made to be gotten rid off at some point replacements...The characters that make up the trinity are just as famous for their secret ID's as they are for the superhero personas, GL isn't....Heck 50 years from now they'll be some new Lantern that all the kids love and all the old foggies will be complaining about how much they miss Kyle.

So are Guy, John, and Kyle they are replacement characters that can be killed off tommorrow and the GL mythos will still go on and thrive with Hal in the lead. The public doesn't even know WW's name unless they were fans of the tv show only Clark and Bruce are know so that argument is wrong. Finally,
that new GL 50 years from now will fail like all of Hal's other replacements because Hal's the GL, and btw no one will miss Kyle that's silly.

[Raker616]

What they're trying to say is that a generation of kids know only John Stewart as Green Lantern, just like another Generation only knows Hal, and another only knew Alan Scott.

I know what they are saying, but I believe they are overstating the popularity of JLU, the generation argument doesn't make sense to me because when I started reading GL there were 3 GL's and Hal was still my generations GL.

And actually yes quite a few people think Catwoman is black, because Eartha Kitt played her on TV. Hal is the most popular GL to SOME, just like Kyle is to SOME, and just like John Stewart is to SOME....They're all on equal footing as far as I'm concerned.

And god help them, but like i've said over and over Hal is the most popular GL it's pretty simple he's the iconic GL and while the others are popular they're not as pupular as Hal is.

[Xero]

JLU was not canceled for lack of audience.

Stop making stuff up.

[Shonuff]

I think you're underestimating the impact JLU will have on this generation of kids, the only reason Superfriend was/is so a pop phenom is because a bunch of people have fond childhood memories of it, just like I'm sure kids will have of JLU.

I also think you're grossly overestimating the importance of Hal Jordan. He is not the one true Green Lantern, no matter how much his rabid fans want people to believe so. You're confusing YOUR thought's a Hal with everyone elses....and honestly what proof do you have that Hal is the most popular GL other than he was on Superfriends? Would you also say Barry Allen in the one true flash and the most Iconic?

[Raker616]

I think you're underestimating the impact JLU will have on this generation of kids, the only reason Superfriend was/is so a pop phenom is because a bunch of people have fond childhood memories of it, just like I'm sure kids will have of JLU.

Well I guess time will tell but Super Friends legacy has lasted regardless of the reason.

I also think you're grossly overestimating the importance of Hal Jordan. He is not the one true Green Lantern, no matter how much his rabid fans want people to believe so. You're confusing YOUR thought's a Hal with everyone elses....and honestly what proof do you have that Hal is the most popular GL other than he was on Superfriends? Would you also say Barry Allen in the one true flash and the most Iconic?

Yes Barry Allen is the one true Flash, and your definately undestimating Hal's popularity as most comic fans do and like DC found out regardless of what they tried to do to Hal he never could go away because he's the Icon.

[dupersuper]

I like Hal fine, Hal's cool, but I get the feeling Raker616 wants to take him home, break his legs, and tell Hal he's his "number 1 fan". John, Kyle and other lanterns are cool charactors who've been in some great stories and have plenty of fans. Deal with it and move on.

[Raker616]

Um, no just no. Anyways Hal is the Iconic GL so there's nothing I have to deal with, also I never said that John, Guy, don't have lots of fans themselves.

[Hawkman]

It's amazing how threads evolve, isn't it? Over on Newsarama, the majority of folks seem to be bickering over why Hawkgirl couldn't have picked up a phone, or yelled "Superman," when she and Diana got into trouble. Anyway...

I'm puzzled as to why he [John Stewart] wasn't there in the first place.
Probably because Meltzer had made up his mind on his little fantasy League long before actually writing it, the centerpiece of which was one Roy Harper. And for a couple of throwaway, sappy, sentimental scenes, he needed Hal to maximize his gushiness.

Now personally, I don't really care which GL is in the League. Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the character or mythos in general. The only one I really like is Alan, and that's due mainly to me being a longtime JSA fan. However, I think one point that hasn't really been made is, regardless of how popular JLU was or was not (and I'm of the belief that it was, in fact, very popular), how many of the people who watched it became comic book readers after the fact? I'd wager not many, myself.

Case in point, I've often said that a big reason DC made the switch from the title of Hawkman to Hawkgirl was because of JLU's success. And aside from an immediate OYL boost -- one that could arguably be due to the "OYL" stamp and title shift in general -- it failed miserably. Now of course, animated Shayera isn't even comic book Shayera, let alone Kendra, but animated John isn't exactly comic book John either, though the differences are far less disparate. On top of that, I also happen to believe that in terms of strictly comic book buyers, Hal does indeed trump John in fanship, probably by a fairly large margin, too.

Nevertheless, though, my real point here is I don't think Dwayne has brought John in to attract an audience, nor do I believe DC asked him to bring in John for that reason. He brought him in because he likes the character, and feels comfortable writing him. So I think the question a few posters need to ask themselves here is, which would you rather want in a book you read each month: A character that's given little attention because the writer doesn't know him, and what you are given doesn't fit with said character's personality and history? Or, a character that the writer feels very comfortable writing, and is thus given the chance to develop and grow on a monthly basis? Given those two options, I know which one I'm picking every time.

[Rattlehead]

Um, no just no. Anyways Hal is the Iconic GL so there's nothing I have to deal with, also I never said that John, Guy, don't have lots of fans themselves.

You're missing the point though. You have plenty of outlets available to you to read about the exploits of Hal Jordan. A lot of people do want to read about John Stewart and DC seems determined to completely ignore him in the GLC book. I personally don't want Hal Jordan to be in 6,000 books a month like Batman and Superman are.

[Greg Anderson]

I'd love to have John in 7,000 books like Supes and Batsy! :D

And as Xero pointed out, JLU wasn't canceled due to lack of ratings or audiences, it was simply because Dini/Timm wanted to try something new and felt they completed all they wanted with the whole saga of the Batman animated series all the way through towards JLU. And when you think about it, O'd love to get a break from it too. Think about it: Batman, Superman, Batman: Gotham Knights, Batman Beyond, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited. I was time for it to be concluded, regardless of how much that hurt me. :(

[Corrina]

The general public doesn't think Catwoman is a black woman.

They think Catwoman is Michelle Pfeiffer is black leather. Or Julie Newmar.

TV, even a moderately successful show, reaches far more people than a comic. You're talking at most, 100,000 readers of a comic. That's about ten percent of what a small audience on TV pulls in.

The Cartoon Network version of the Titans is what the kids know, not the current version.

So, yeah, John Stewart is the Green Lantern to the outside public, just like Shayera is the Hawkgirl.

[hangmanjury]

Um, no just no. Anyways Hal is the Iconic GL so there's nothing I have to deal with, also I never said that John, Guy, don't have lots of fans themselves.
I hate to go all numbers on this, but do you have statistical evidence backing up this claim that Hal is the iconic GL?

Take note that John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are the Green Lanterns in the animated universe widely known today. Hal Jordan, save for about 30 seconds in a time-shifting episode, was nowhere to be found. To a whole generation of kids, John Stewart IS Green Lantern, just like Wally West IS the Flash.

Also take note that Hal Jordan's series was cancelled twice, and he was killed off 50 issues into his own series to be replaced by Kyle. John Stewart has appeared in both Crisis on Infinite Earths (where Hal is nowhere to be found) and Infinite Crisis (where he got just a little bit less airtime than Hal).

Unless you took a poll of a random sample of substantial size of non-comics readers asking them which Green Lantern they know of, and come out with Hal as the winner by a substantial margin, you cannot by any stretch of the imagination make this claim that Hal, and Hal alone, is the iconic GL.

By the way, I grew up with Hal, so he's the Green Lantern I see as iconic. I'm just saying a case can be made for all of them being on equal footing.

[Gottaluvit]

I guess it depends on whether the kids have parents who are comic fans as well, my kid watch JLU but ask them who their fav GL is and all but one will say Hal, they've read a lot of his earlier stuff that I collected. I guess Hal and Kyle are my favs and that rubs off, though the eldest son preferes John.

I don't think it matters overly to kids these days who wears the ring, they know there's more then one GL and they just adapt to whoever, at least my kids do, they have their favs, but they readily accept any of the other GL's.

[K'Nort]

Certainly I can't be the only one who noticed the strippers looked a helluva lot like Roxy and Caitlin from Gen13 and Rogue, can I?

All but two were clearly identifiable as mutants. Someone has probably indentified them all as such somewhere. The one did look mostly like Roxy, but it would be strange to have two different themes going.

[Rockscissorspaper]

I thought it was a decent issue. I do think Hal is getting the shaft, but I'm happy to see John around. The thing that bugs me is that he doesn't really mention the Sinestro Corps war... that's as good of a reason as any to bug out for a while.

Who says this is taking place during the Sinestro Corps War? I don't see how it could since all the GL's including John are in space fighting at that time.

[Raker616]

You're missing the point though. You have plenty of outlets available to you to read about the exploits of Hal Jordan. A lot of people do want to read about John Stewart and DC seems determined to completely ignore him in the GLC book. I personally don't want Hal Jordan to be in 6,000 books a month like Batman and Superman are.

Well considering the fact that he's been gone for about 10 years asking for 2 titles isn't out of bounds to ask for IMO. And John should get some love I'm all for him being in GLC with Guy and having his own mini-series like Guy had but GL and JLA should be Hal's.

[Raker616]

I hate to go all numbers on this, but do you have statistical evidence backing up this claim that Hal is the iconic GL?

Well i've been around comics for a while and it's pretty clear to me that Hal is the Iconic GL, fans, writers, sales, history all favor Hal as opposed to all the other GL's.

Take note that John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are the Green Lanterns in the animated universe widely known today. Hal Jordan, save for about 30 seconds in a time-shifting episode, was nowhere to be found. To a whole generation of kids, John Stewart IS Green Lantern, just like Wally West IS the Flash.

Boy this is really getting redundant, where are these kids and are they gonna buy comics because of JLU?. JLU was a popular show but mostly it was watched by comic fans, unlike Super Friends who was seen and remembered for decades by alot of people in their 20's and up.

Also take note that Hal Jordan's series was cancelled twice, and he was killed off 50 issues into his own series to be replaced by Kyle. John Stewart has appeared in both Crisis on Infinite Earths (where Hal is nowhere to be found) and Infinite Crisis (where he got just a little bit less airtime than Hal).

Yes and then Hal became the Spectre and so on and DC still couldn't get rid of Hal no matter what they tried, simply put his fanbase was always the biggest and even after a 10 year hiatus he's bigger than ever that is why he is the Iconic GL.

Unless you took a poll of a random sample of substantial size of non-comics readers asking them which Green Lantern they know of, and come out with Hal as the winner by a substantial margin, you cannot by any stretch of the imagination make this claim that Hal, and Hal alone, is the iconic GL.

I can and have, unless you'd like to take random poll of a people and show your findings to counter that argument.

By the way, I grew up with Hal, so he's the Green Lantern I see as iconic. I'm just saying a case can be made for all of them being on equal footing.

It could be made but it would be wrong just like I could make a case for all the Flashes to be in equal footing but it would be wrong, someone is always number 1 that's just the way things are.

[hangmanjury]

I hate to go all numbers on this, but do you have statistical evidence backing up this claim that Hal is the iconic GL?

Well i've been around comics for a while and it's pretty clear to me that Hal is the Iconic GL, fans, writers, sales, history all favor Hal as opposed to all the other GL's.

Take note that John Stewart and Kyle Rayner are the Green Lanterns in the animated universe widely known today. Hal Jordan, save for about 30 seconds in a time-shifting episode, was nowhere to be found. To a whole generation of kids, John Stewart IS Green Lantern, just like Wally West IS the Flash.

Boy this is really getting redundant, where are these kids and are they gonna buy comics because of JLU?. JLU was a popular show but mostly it was watched by comic fans, unlike Super Friends who was seen and remembered for decades by alot of people in their 20's and up.

Also take note that Hal Jordan's series was cancelled twice, and he was killed off 50 issues into his own series to be replaced by Kyle. John Stewart has appeared in both Crisis on Infinite Earths (where Hal is nowhere to be found) and Infinite Crisis (where he got just a little bit less airtime than Hal).

Yes and then Hal became the Spectre and so on and DC still couldn't get rid of Hal no matter what they tried, simply put his fanbase was always the biggest and even after a 10 year hiatus he's bigger than ever that is why he is the Iconic GL.

Unless you took a poll of a random sample of substantial size of non-comics readers asking them which Green Lantern they know of, and come out with Hal as the winner by a substantial margin, you cannot by any stretch of the imagination make this claim that Hal, and Hal alone, is the iconic GL.

I can and have, unless you'd like to take random poll of a people and show your findings to counter that argument.

By the way, I grew up with Hal, so he's the Green Lantern I see as iconic. I'm just saying a case can be made for all of them being on equal footing.

It could be made but it would be wrong just like I could make a case for all the Flashes to be in equal footing but it would be wrong, someone is always number 1 that's just the way things are.
If you "can and have", then provide the numbers.

That's all I ask.

[Raker616]

If your so interested in numbers why don't you take a poll and get back to me, because I can tell you I don't have the time or resources to do some sort of census about which GL is the most Iconic. It's pretty obvious to me that Hal is the most popular and Iconic GL just like Batman and Superman are the most popular heroes in the DCU and guess what I don't have numbers that back that up either.

[hangmanjury]

If your so interested in numbers why don't you take a poll and get back to me, because I can tell you I don't have the time or resources to do some sort of census about which GL is the most Iconic. It's pretty obvious to me that Hal is the most popular and Iconic GL just like Batman and Superman are the most popular heroes in the DCU and guess what I don't have numbers that back that up either.
My point is that you are claiming that Hal Jordan is the most iconic Green Lantern.

A number of people disagree with you. They would not disagree with you on your claim about Superman and Batman. Moreover, those who disagree with you have provided very good reasons for why they disagree with you. The common consensus is that different generations know different Green Lanterns, not really that any Lantern outweighs the other. Your contention is that Hal out-icons everyone.

Because of the number of people disagreeing with you and the validity of their arguments (and I'm sorry, but "No. Just no." is not a valid counterargument), until you can provide solid evidence that most laypeople and non-comics reading people think of Hal Jordan (I bet they don't even know his real name) as the iconic Green Lantern, you cannot claim him to be so.

In addition, might I add, you have stated in a previous post that you "can and have" taken a poll. Contradictions aren't helping your case either.

All I am saying is you are making a statement, and when faced with the counteracting arguments, you fail to back up your statement, instead falling back on your original statement of "Hal is the iconic GL", without actually showing or introducing anything else to defend said statement. In any court of debate, you would surely lose.

I say this with love, and the wish to see good debates instead of blanket statements.

[Billage]

I still can't buy into McDuff's Jon Stewart man crush.The League's taken out Amazo and witnessed the return of Wally.And Hal already needs a break?

Hilarious.

[Billage]

Hal is the greatest GL by the way,all you other folk are just lost.

[Raker616]

My point is that you are claiming that Hal Jordan is the most iconic Green Lantern.

A number of people disagree with you. They would not disagree with you on your claim about Superman and Batman. Moreover, those who disagree with you have provided very good reasons for why they disagree with you. The common consensus is that different generations know different Green Lanterns, not really that any Lantern outweighs the other. Your contention is that Hal out-icons everyone.

Because of the number of people disagreeing with you and the validity of their arguments (and I'm sorry, but "No. Just no." is not a valid counterargument), until you can provide solid evidence that most laypeople and non-comics reading people think of Hal Jordan (I bet they don't even know his real name) as the iconic Green Lantern, you cannot claim him to be so.

In addition, might I add, you have stated in a previous post that you "can and have" taken a poll. Contradictions aren't helping your case either.

All I am saying is you are making a statement, and when faced with the counteracting arguments, you fail to back up your statement, instead falling back on your original statement of "Hal is the iconic GL", without actually showing or introducing anything else to defend said statement. In any court of debate, you would surely lose.

I say this with love, and the wish to see good debates instead of blanket statements.

I guess I just don't see it as a blanket statement but as fact, to me you telling me that all GL's are on equal footing and that Hal isn't the most iconic is just wrong. I wish I could take about a hundred non comic fans and do a GL poll to prove that i'm correct but really I don't care to if someone else does good for them. Some things are just fact I mean I can't tell you how many arguments people have had about WW being in the trinity and questioning how popular she is etc. yet regardless of whether I agree or not its accepted that WW is the third biggest hero in DC. And yeah this argument is getting us no where so i'll just leave this as my final post on this matter until someone is proven right.

[LtMarvel]

I liked Alan Scott better that Jordan. Jordan never had much personality to me, always the straight man to Queen.

Peter David tried to give Jordan a personality in Action Comics Weekly and fans hated it. It wasn't until Waid (Brave and the Bold miniseries, JLA:Y1) and Johns (Green Lantern) got a hold of the character that I even cared about him.

Until those points, G'Nort was a better read. So was Stewart (remember that JLofA Christmas classic in St. Louis?) and even obnoxious Gardner. It was far, far better to read about Scott in All-Star Squadron and Infinity, Inc.

[Paul Newell]

I guess I just don't see it as a blanket statement but as fact, to me you telling me that all GL's are on equal footing and that Hal isn't the most iconic is just wrong. I wish I could take about a hundred non comic fans and do a GL poll to prove that i'm correct but really I don't care to if someone else does good for them. Some things are just fact I mean I can't tell you how many arguments people have had about WW being in the trinity and questioning how popular she is etc. yet regardless of whether I agree or not its accepted that WW is the third biggest hero in DC. And yeah this argument is getting us no where so i'll just leave this as my final post on this matter until someone is proven right.
We have a comic fan poll, but that's about it.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=157673

[hangmanjury]

We have a comic fan poll, but that's about it.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=157673
I just don't really think it can be called "iconic" unless non-comics fan can identify them. My mom recognizes Green Lantern whether it's John, Hal, Kyle, or Guy, because simply of the green costume and the green ring. I have an airbrushed Alan Scott t-shirt that people guess as Green Lantern simply because the insignia is a literal Green Lantern.

I just don't think any Lantern is more iconic than the other. To the casual people who don't care, the iconic GL is the literal icon - the ring and the insignia. The person doesn't matter.

I don't know if that's a good or bad thing for this industry we all know and love, but honestly I'd really rather see them try putting Captain Marvel back to real icon status than anyone else. People think my Captain Marvel shirt is a Flash shirt.

[cyclops2500]

One more thing that bugged me was Batman's orgasmic dialogue about Firestorm's powers. The most powerful human being on earth...???

I guess if you say enough times maybe 1% of the DC Comics fans are going to believe that crap.

Firestorm can do pretty much anything he wants. He's so powerful, he's almost a plot device.

[cyclops2500]

I think John Stewart is great. What I don't want is John Stewart in the JLA simply because he's not Hal Jordan. That would annoy me greatly, because I really like Hal too. If something cool is done with John's character, or he brings something to the book that Hal didn't, fine. Otherwise, why not let Hal keep his place?

[Jamie]

Does anyone want to, I dunno, discuss the issue, rather than Hal Jordan?

I picked up this special based on the positive things I'd heard, and I have to say I'm going to be on board for McDuffie's run, at least at the start. I've got a few thoughts.

-I like this Firestorm. It's my first exposure to him, and I'm going to see if I can track down the back issues of his series, or perhaps pick up the TPB. He seems a worthy successor to Ronnie, and the bit with Lex Luthor -- "If you don't want people to neutralize your powers, don't publish scientific papers explaining how they work" -- was priceless.

-I was hoping for a bit more party and a bit less fighting, but it was still fun to see the heroes and heroines "let down their hair," if only for a few panels. And no one has commented on the obvious humour in the irony of "Ollie doesn't want strippers at his party" vs. Dinah having strippers at hers.

-It's always nice to see Batman portrayed as having a bit of a sense of humour, albeit a rather dry one.

-Okay, one Hal Jordan question -- when did he lose the grey temples? I didn't recognize him as a straight brunette.

[hangmanjury]

-Okay, one Hal Jordan question -- when did he lose the grey temples? I didn't recognize him as a straight brunette.

The answer to that question will derail this thread more than the inclusion of John Stewart in the Justice League. I suggest you Google "Green Lantern: Rebirth" or Wikipedia Hal Jordan.

[Sizzle]

I did not order this, but I think I'll have to make a trip to the local Brick and Mortor comic shop and grab it.

I'm glad to see John in the JLA. I never really cared for Hal Boredom. I've always found him to be somewhat of a stiff. I like Kyle and I like Guy. John was awesome in the JLU. I think a younger Avery Brookes would of been awesome as John in a live action movie.

I guess you could say Hal is iconic because he's been the main Green Lantern for so long. However, if you ask the average person who Green Lantern is, they won't instantly spit back an answer like if you asked who is Batman.

[Erebus]

Hated Luthor's characterization. I've always loved Man of Steel Lex, who dreamed of reaching humanity's true potential, and considered Superman to be an alien threat. In a twisted way, he was trying to be the good guy. Now, he's trying to create a world full of crime and corruption? The return of the Legion of Doom was cool, but the return of stereotypical villainous Luthor was not.

[Jay R]

How did Kendra know about Joker & Luthor?

-Jay

[Mon-el]

How did Kendra know about Joker & Luthor?

-Jay

Firestorm said he was poisoned with Joker Venom

[pariah-1972]

I think in one issue Dwane has trumped all the previous issues of Meltzers work.
i'm really keen on the smart ass-know it all Batman with a slightly dry sense of humor.:)
i'm sort of mixed on the Hal/John Stewart thing mostly cause i havent read many books with either of them in a starring role and this John Stewart isnt as cool as the one in the Jlu..
i really wish there wasn't so many copy cat characters in the dc universe so we would never have this argument about whos better or more popular.
I was kind of hoping they would kill off this Firestorm and bring the old one back:evilsmile but oh well.

not much wedding planning going on, i wonder what was the point of making this a one off special especially since it feels a lot like Dwane getting a head start on his version of the justice league.
all in all pretty good book and makes me look forward to Dwanes work on Justice Jeague proper.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Hated Luthor's characterization. I've always loved Man of Steel Lex, who dreamed of reaching humanity's true potential, and considered Superman to be an alien threat. In a twisted way, he was trying to be the good guy. Now, he's trying to create a world full of crime and corruption? The return of the Legion of Doom was cool, but the return of stereotypical villainous Luthor was not.

I got the impression he only gave that speech to convice the others to work with him...and that it's not what he really thinks.

In other words...just typical manipulative Luthor.

[stamen]

My point is that you are claiming that Hal Jordan is the most iconic Green Lantern.

A number of people disagree with you. They would not disagree with you on your claim about Superman and Batman. Moreover, those who disagree with you have provided very good reasons for why they disagree with you. The common consensus is that different generations know different Green Lanterns, not really that any Lantern outweighs the other. Your contention is that Hal out-icons everyone.

Because of the number of people disagreeing with you and the validity of their arguments (and I'm sorry, but "No. Just no." is not a valid counterargument), until you can provide solid evidence that most laypeople and non-comics reading people think of Hal Jordan (I bet they don't even know his real name) as the iconic Green Lantern, you cannot claim him to be so.

In addition, might I add, you have stated in a previous post that you "can and have" taken a poll. Contradictions aren't helping your case either.

All I am saying is you are making a statement, and when faced with the counteracting arguments, you fail to back up your statement, instead falling back on your original statement of "Hal is the iconic GL", without actually showing or introducing anything else to defend said statement. In any court of debate, you would surely lose.

I say this with love, and the wish to see good debates instead of blanket statements.

I also think Hal is the iconic lantern. The only other person in the running would be Alan Scott. John Stewart, who is incidently my favorite lantern, is not iconic. Four years of JL and JLU were great, but a quick thumb through your comic shop pretty much reveals that Hal Jordan is and has been the primary, go-to, Green Lantern. He's a founding member of the Justice League.

Hal Jordan has most likely appeared in more comic issues than all the other lanterns combined, save Alan Scott. That's enough to make him the iconic lantern in my opinion.

[hangmanjury]

I also think Hal is the iconic lantern. The only other person in the running would be Alan Scott. John Stewart, who is incidently my favorite lantern, is not iconic. Four years of JL and JLU were great, but a quick thumb through your comic shop pretty much reveals that Hal Jordan is and has been the primary, go-to, Green Lantern. He's a founding member of the Justice League.

Hal Jordan has most likely appeared in more comic issues than all the other lanterns combined, save Alan Scott. That's enough to make him the iconic lantern in my opinion.
And in my opinion, it doesn't make him the iconic Lantern unless most non-comics readers can recognize him as such.

Since you can literally put a green ring emblem and a green ring on anyone and have people recognize him as Green Lantern, I just don't think Hal has THAT much pull over the others.

The icon is the emblem and the weapon. It's not the character, sad as that may be.

[Dubbilex]

One day, someone's going to explain to me what "iconic" means in the context of this sort of discussion.

[hangmanjury]

One day, someone's going to explain to me what "iconic" means in the context of this sort of discussion.
I actually think that's the problem. We haven't defined it.

Anyway, back to the issue. Here's what bugs me, and it's a small bug 'cause I really like where the story seems to be going.

What the hell are Space Ranger, Tempest, Dr. Fate, and who SEEMS to be Jack Knight doing at the bachelor party?? One's from the future, one's missing, one's dead, and I'm not even sure if the guy with the goggles is Jack, but if it is, he doesn't even know Ollie, so what the hell?

[Erebus]

I also think Hal is the iconic lantern. The only other person in the running would be Alan Scott. John Stewart, who is incidently my favorite lantern, is not iconic. Four years of JL and JLU were great, but a quick thumb through your comic shop pretty much reveals that Hal Jordan is and has been the primary, go-to, Green Lantern. He's a founding member of the Justice League.

Hal Jordan has most likely appeared in more comic issues than all the other lanterns combined, save Alan Scott. That's enough to make him the iconic lantern in my opinion.

I actually think the JL/U cartoon made John Stewart into Hal Jordan's equal, at least in the average person's eyes if not the comic book readers. When I wear my Green Lantern shirt with a picture of Jordan on it, most people ask, "Isn't the Green Lantern black?"

[Scavenger]

All but two were clearly identifiable as mutants. Someone has probably indentified them all as such somewhere. The one did look mostly like Roxy, but it would be strange to have two different themes going.


You got from left to right Rogue, Roxy, Someone who's clothes and hair are too generic for me to guess, Emma Frost (note the white outfit) and Fairchild.

What happens in Happy Harbor stays in Happy Harbor.:eek:

[pariah-1972]

I actually think the JL/U cartoon made John Stewart into Hal Jordan's equal, at least in the average person's eyes if not the comic book readers. When I wear my Green Lantern shirt with a picture of Jordan on it, most people ask, "Isn't the Green Lantern black?"Also unfortunately Hal wasn't a major player in Superfriends which always cheesed me off.

[comicstar100]

Also unfortunately Hal wasn't a major player in Superfriends which always cheesed me off. He had a good sized role in The Challenge of the Superfriends and Super Friends The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians, which are the only ones that don't totally make me want to pull my eyes out while I watch them.

[pariah-1972]

He had a good sized role in The Challenge of the Superfriends and Super Friends The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians, which are the only ones that don't totally make me want to pull my eyes out while I watch them.Yeah same here man i'm actually looking forward to them releasing it on dvd.
although i don't remember hal jordan in it because i was so happy to see Firestorm and Cyborg and Darkseid.:D

[Suzanne]

And as Xero pointed out, JLU wasn't canceled due to lack of ratings or audiences, it was simply because Dini/Timm wanted to try something new and felt they completed all they wanted with the whole saga of the Batman animated series all the way through towards JLU. And when you think about it, O'd love to get a break from it too. Think about it: Batman, Superman, Batman: Gotham Knights, Batman Beyond, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited. I was time for it to be concluded, regardless of how much that hurt me. :(Also, I read that instead of paying to use someone else's characters, CN wanted to focus on and make money off their properties. ( You can read more about it here. (http://jl.toonzone.net/weblog/weblog.htm) )

[sinjection]

Also, I read that instead of paying to use someone else's characters, CN wanted to focus on and make money off their properties. ( You can read more about it here. (http://jl.toonzone.net/weblog/weblog.htm) )

That must explain why CN is so terrible these days. I never watch the channel anymore.

[Shonuff]

That must explain why CN is so terrible these days. I never watch the channel anymore.

Yeah, I think most have abandoned CN, I'll be going back once Boondocks starts up again. :D

[Liberty Belle Fan]

Hal is too busy with the Sinestro Corps war to have time to dedicate to the JLA. Stewart is just as cool in terms of being a GL. In fact, I think I like Hal and Stewart equally, and the JLU tv show really made Stewart shine. With the same writer it really makes a lot of sense to have him on the team.

Then again, my beef with superhero team books is they don't come out often enough to really get things moving and showcase even a sliver of the team members doing more than appearing in a panel anyways. So on that note, Stewart will be fine!

[stamen]

I actually think the JL/U cartoon made John Stewart into Hal Jordan's equal, at least in the average person's eyes if not the comic book readers. When I wear my Green Lantern shirt with a picture of Jordan on it, most people ask, "Isn't the Green Lantern black?"

Well, I'm a white guy in rural Tennessee who keeps a sticker of John Stewart in his wallet. I flip it open at the gas station or Walmart, and people everywhere are like, "Who the hell is that?"

As to people thinking that Stewart's JLU time really elevated him, rethink it a second. The people that would even care to watch the show are comic fans, or children of comics fans. That's why no one knows who the heck John Stewart is when I open my wallet.

Now at the comic shop, when I flip it open, people know. And those people also know that John Stewart is the back-up Lantern. Always has been, always will be.

[The Shadow]

OK... I have been super busy lately and just finally read the issue. 99% of what I was going to say has been covered.

What I'm, here to ask is this: Who were all the villains at the end???

Some I know: Lex, Joker, Cheetah, Deathstroke, dr Sivana, Black Manta, Poison Ivy, Fatality, Giganta, Mf Freeze, Dr Light, Mr Terrible, Killer Frost... and after that I'm lost.

Any help guys and gals???????

[Greg Anderson]

Well, I'm a white guy in rural Tennessee who keeps a sticker of John Stewart in his wallet. I flip it open at the gas station or Walmart, and people everywhere are like, "Who the hell is that?"

As to people thinking that Stewart's JLU time really elevated him, rethink it a second. The people that would even care to watch the show are comic fans, or children of comics fans. That's why no one knows who the heck John Stewart is when I open my wallet.

Now at the comic shop, when I flip it open, people know. And those people also know that John Stewart is the back-up Lantern. Always has been, always will be.

I actually wouldn't say that necessarily because a lot of people that I know myself who aren't comic fans are used to Green Lantern being John Stewart. There's been a number of times when they'd see Hal Jordan and say, "Wit, isn't the Green Lantern black?"


And yes, Tori Amos does in fact rock. ;)

[hangmanjury]

My nephew and everyone from his school and his friends from the neighborhood, except for the children of hardcore comics fans, know John Stewart as THE Green Lantern.

And as for those others, a lot of the time, it's a mix-up between Hal and Kyle.

Alan Scott gets no love.

[Paul Newell]

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