Hey, look who's back (spoilers about X-men: Disassembled)

[Novaya Havoc]

LOL

Those news are just crappy.

All those characters in black leather. Is CC writing it?

Maybe "X-23" is really Sage with claws? Kind of like when Shadowcat had claws?

[UncannyAsianGirl]

LOL

Those news are just crappy.

All those characters in black leather. Is CC writing it?
That's sort of what I said in my earlier post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5449283&postcount=235), that the uniforms are sort of like the Shadow X-Men in New Excalibur. :p

Does no one else think that these characters are somehow being controlled? I think the glowing red eyes are a pretty big clue...

Shame about Rahne, but at least now we know who's leaving PAD's X-Factor...

[CaptainCanada]

Who says they're not going with her?
True. Plus, they're advertised as a team of killers! Kyle and Yost can write their heroes dishing it out, not just taking it (and I really enjoy NXM, to be clear)!

[xmanson]

The red eyes must be to make them look COOOL and DARKZ!!!

[rilokyle]

Not liking this AT ALL.

X-Force looks so incredibly lame. I'm not impressed one bit. Especially if its at the expense of cancelling X-Men.

[Cayman]

If it's Kyle and Yost. It will rock.

[Novaya Havoc]

This is so 1990s!

Next they'll bring back X-Man and STRYFE!

[frog]

That's sort of what I said in my earlier post (http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5449283&postcount=235), that the uniforms are sort of like the Shadow X-Men in New Excalibur. :p

Does no one else think that these characters are somehow being controlled? I think the glowing red eyes are a pretty big clue...

Shame about Rahne, but at least now we know who's leaving PAD's X-Factor...

I don't really think that they are being controlled but perhaps they are the people that have to do all the dirty work that can't be publicly acknowledged. I'm thinking the red eyes just indicates that they are are all willing to kill and are just slightly psychotic . . .

or do you know something we don't again? ;)

[frog]

Gah! I knew the board would melt down tonight!

[Brett P]

I only got into comics on the back of my love for X-Men...

I can't believe how much I just DON'T CARE anymore.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed an X book outside of New X-Men (and Astonishing when it's around) but the core books..? We've gone from atrocious writers churning out ludicrous stories to having SHITE team rosters and hideous art...Messiah Complex better wield better things than what we see here or I'm done...

I'm not even worried about "X-Men Disassembled" 'cos there's barely anything left I care about...

I NEVER thought I'd be reading an MU where the Avengers and Hulk constantly excite me and the X-Men leave me weeping...never in a million years.

[Slung]

So far we have:

Carey off core X-Team and regulated to solo maxi book.

An X-Force book featuring Wolverine, Brubaker's Wolverine Substitute, Wolverine with a vagina, and the Lifeless Husk of Wolfsbane's Body Possessed By The Soul of Wolverine.

A Terminator-esque Liefeldian Cable that replaces Fabian's Cable and Deadpool.

I'm soooo excited to see what they dig up next for us.*

*sarcasm should be noted.

[CaptainCanada]

This is so 1990s!

Next they'll bring back X-Man and STRYFE!
Well, the X-Men were insanely popular back then, so they may be on to something.

[Novaya Havoc]

Well, the X-Men were insanely popular back then, so they may be on to something.

That's all because of the cartoon.

Write it down.

[jester1436]

http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/7accde34d3.jpg

Talk about anti-climactic. First Britney and now this. :(

[Novaya Havoc]

Talk about anti-climactic. First Britney and now this. :(

LOL! FTW!!!!

[Don Quixote]

I only got into comics on the back of my love for X-Men...

I can't believe how much I just DON'T CARE anymore.

I can't remember the last time I enjoyed an X book outside of New X-Men (and Astonishing when it's around) but the core books..? We've gone from atrocious writers churning out ludicrous stories to having SHITE team rosters and hideous art...Messiah Complex better wield better things than what we see here or I'm done...

I'm not even worried about "X-Men Disassembled" 'cos there's barely anything left I care about...

I NEVER thought I'd be reading an MU where the Avengers and Hulk constantly excite me and the X-Men leave me weeping...never in a million years.

Pretty much agree with you there (apart from the Hulk thing).

All I need now is for New X-Men and X-Factor to be cancelled, and Gambit killed off in the crossover, and that'll be it for the X-verse.

I'll be down to New Avengers (though that's getting worse by the month), Captain America and Runaways, if it ever appears again.

[Volk1]

An X-Force book featuring Wolverine, Brubaker's Wolverine Substitute, Wolverine with a vagina, and the Lifeless Husk of Wolfsbane's Body Possessed By The Soul of Wolverine.




LOL. Rahne off X-Factor is so sad. Her current developments have been juicy and her and Rictor making out every 5 seconds was hilarious.

[xmanson]

I gues the Wolverinization of james is complete.

Maybe he could hook up with Wolvagina.

[Brian M.]

I hope Fabian gets one of those books, hopefully the Cable solo series will be his. So sad. Goodbye Cable and Deadpool.


Funny, I was surpised by this, they didn't announce the book I thought was gonna be announced.

[Don Quixote]

I gues the Wolverinization of james is complete.

Maybe he could hook up with Wolvagina.

He still needs to superglue his knives to the backs of his hands. Then he'll be all sorted.

[CaptainCanada]

That's all because of the cartoon.

Hey, the cartoon was what made me a huge X-fan.

Maybe Wolverine and the X-Men will come to the franchise's rescue.:D

[Slung]

I gues the Wolverinization of james is complete.

Maybe he could hook up with Wolvagina.
Don't worry Hepzibah and Caliban will probably fill out this infinitely cooler than anything ever roster.*

*sarcasm

[MasterOdin]

I agree with those not really caring about this news. This book will fail and will not be a high seller. I know not all details have been released, but with the current group (if those are all they are) there really isn't much to get excited about.

[Porcelain]

(I'm scared) :(

Seriously though:

How do we know that's Rhane?
How on earth are they going to make so many similar character's interesting narratively over a sustained period of time?
Where the heck is Carey going?
What's happening to New X-men if Y/K chase the 2 & 3?
The world is ending!!!

[Joe Zool]

Well.

Two(ish) years ago, I was getting ready to leave X-Men. Claremont was off Uncanny, Milligan was...well, we all know what Milligan was doing. So, I was about to drop all X-titles until I read Mike Carey's interviews and his ideas and his love for the X-genre convinced me to stick around to read his X-Men.

And now it's deja vu again. Like a poster said, "Do not want." That sums it up for me. X-Men are supposed to be dark, yes, but there was always an underlying gleam of light, of joy to it. See Carey's X-Men for this example.

But now it's all dark and gritty. Do not want, indeed.

[Don Quixote]

How on earth are they going to make so many similar character's interesting narratively over a sustained period of time?


Lots and lots of stabbinz, I'm sure. Stabby Joe and his Black Ops Band is so very disappointing after the optimism I felt when hearing about the X reshuffle.

[Omega Alpha]

I can't say i'm too excited... or excited at all about this new X-force. But i'm all for Cable again, as long as it's Nicienza or Carey writing, or he at least doesn't come back to Liefield era.

And does "appearing elsewhere" means that Wolverine will be both in X-force and in another X-men team book, or just the solos and New Avengers? If it's the last case, great. If it's the first, oh, crap, it's 2004 again:(

[marco19]

as much as i love cable and even x-force looks pretty cool theres no way that either one of these books will sell close to what mike carey x-men is doing.....as for rumors a while back there was a rumor that it was going to be DAniel Way and MArk Texiera possibly on a new deadpool book.......also axel alonso seems to like daniel way as a writer so i could defintly see him writing one of these books..and he mentioned in a recent interview he had some major work coming out of the x-office.......and as for FAbian i see him possibly heading over to DC fulltime...if you look recently old X-ediotr Mike Marts is quitely bringing alot of his x-crew over to Dc.bedard, califoire, tieri sean chen...........both Fabian and Milligan are writing books for the BAtman Crossover and i could see him trying to lure Mike Carey over there as he was the one that orginally hired him for x-men

[drwho]

X-Force looks absolutely horrendous. God no. just say no...

[Cthulhudrew]

Seriously though:

How do we know that's Rhane?

Check the file name on the picture- it says xf_concept_wolfsbane

They say something to the effect of Wolvie's "unique" role on the team- hopefully it's really Albert. :)

[CmX]

I wonder how far Kate_Pryde has her foot down her mouth now lol

[CaptainCanada]

Hmm, fan reaction on The Internets seems overwhelmingly negative so far; by the prevailing law of sales being inversely proportional to popularity online, this means the new X-Force will be a huge hit.

[NickThompson]

Hmm, fan reaction on The Internets seems overwhelmingly negative so far; by the prevailing law of sales being inversely proportional to popularity online, this means the new X-Force will be a huge hit.
It's the Young Avengers rule. Remember how happy people were when that got announced? :)

[jmc247]

Damn, Wolverine is going to be appearing everywhere at the same time once again.

I was worried this would happen with the Wolverine movie coming up and the Wolverine animated series and coming up.

[Porcelain]

Check the file name on the picture- it says xf_concept_wolfsbane

They say something to the effect of Wolvie's "unique" role on the team- hopefully it's really Albert. :)
Cheers.

Know she's been getting a tad 'passionate' of late, but ebony?

Gotta admit, am kind curious how they're going to pull this all off though.

[Brian M.]

Damn, Wolverine is going to be appearing everywhere at the same time once again.

I was worried this would happen with the Wolverine movie coming up and the Wolverine animated series and coming up.

Hopefully it won't happen w/ the Magneto movie.

[Faded]

X-23 looks A-MAZING. What happens if I end up liking her now? I can be shallow like that. LOL.

I like seeing that she's on this team with people I think are more of her peers. Good move IMO.

It'll be interesting if its Hepz and Caliban as well since I really didn't expect them to stick around long term.

I think Wolfsbane looks awesome! No more wolf head for you!

Overall, Clayton Crain is rocking my rocks and my clocks like its all of your business.

Disappointed in Rahne's removal, too! NO FAIR NO FAIR NANANANA

I was just starting to like her, too.

LOL, yeah me too but...

Rahne hasn't done anything of note in X-Factor since the first issue.

...this is also true.

[frog]

I hope Rahne hasn't become more aggressive because something nasty happened to Rictor. :(

[dotdotdot]

i dunno why i thought we were getting major carey news today.....seems that neither of these series have anything to do with him.

[drwho]

YUKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11. Nothing but black costumes with red eyes? WTf. Why does Rhane have her whole head covered? How does she breathe in that?

http://images.comicbookresources.com/cons/baltimore2007/marvel/XForceConcept1.jpg

[Don Quixote]

YUKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

http://images.comicbookresources.com/cons/baltimore2007/marvel/XForceConcept1.jpg

Is Warpath stabbing himself in the kidney there, in order to get out of the book and into the infirmary? I don't blame him one bit.

[Pach!]

YUKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11. Nothing but black costumes with red eyes? WTf. Why does Rhane have her whole head covered? How does she breathe in that?



She probably has 2 tiny nostril holes.

[frog]

Is Warpath stabbing himself in the kidney there, in order to get out of the book and into the infirmary? I don't blame him one bit.

He's about to cut himself off below the knees so everyone's height will line up. :p

[NickThompson]

Is Warpath stabbing himself in the kidney there, in order to get out of the book and into the infirmary? I don't blame him one bit.
That's where he holsters his knives. On his belt I mean, not in his kidneys.

[Will.S]

At first I thought it was really odd to see that roster on X-Force (as well as the title coming back) but it looks like it could be interesting. Hopefully this won't turn into Wolverine starring in every title again because that was just retarded.

Although I must say it's funny to see a bunch of you guys turn into drama queens and threaten to drop every x-title because of this.

[Wind-Breaker]

NRAMA: So does this replace Cable & Deadpool on the schedule?

AA: Yes.

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Where's Deadpool gonna go then?! No Deadpool in an ongoing series makes Wind-Breaker a "Sad Panda" :(

Besides that the X-Force costumes looks awsome, black and silver are my fav combo of colors, I'd only thought in my dreams that I'd see X-uniforms in those colors!

A bit surprized they'd reveal this much so early.

[Cayman]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Where's Deadpool gonna go then?! No Deadpool in an ongoing series makes Wind-Breaker a "Sad Panda" :(

Besides that the X-Force costumes looks awsome, black and silver are my fav combo of colors, I'd only thought in my dreams that I'd see X-uniforms in those colors!

A bit surprized they'd reveal this much so early.

To "Dazzler And Deadpool".

[drwho]

So is Deadpool going to limbo? Marvel get a clue. This is the X-Force i want to see. Just replace Feral on the cover with Rhane and add wolverine and ditch clone girl.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56757119524.100.GIF

[Will.S]

Cable is going to replace "Cable & Deadpool".

[eggie]

I think Caliban and Hepzibah should be on the X-Force team along with Shatterstar...this would be the perfect team for him...he would totally follow Wolvie's lead.

I need more Shatterstar in my love!!!

Heck, I just want Shatterstar in a book please, oh please, oh please!

[Cayman]

So is Deadpool going to limbo? Marvel get a clue. This is the X-Force i want to see. Just replace Feral on the cover with Rhane and add wolverine and ditch clone girl.

http://image.milehighcomics.com/istore/images/fullsize/56757119524.100.GIF

That X-Force has Shatterstar on it.

[1WEBHEAD]

Wow, First the X-men rip off the Avengers and now with Spidey's Back in Black? Whoa.

I might check it out even though the art isn't very impressive IMO.

[eggie]

That X-Force has Shatterstar on it.

THAT'S PERFECT!!!

Bring back Shatterstar!!!

[Wind-Breaker]

To "Dazzler And Deadpool".

YES...YES....BOOK IT....BOOK IT. The sexual tension between the two would be godly lol

[Faded]

That X-Force has Shatterstar on it.

LOL

True.

[Beast]

NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Where's Deadpool gonna go then?! No Deadpool in an ongoing series makes Wind-Breaker a "Sad Panda" :(

Besides that the X-Force costumes looks awsome, black and silver are my fav combo of colors, I'd only thought in my dreams that I'd see X-uniforms in those colors!

A bit surprized they'd reveal this much so early.
Deadpool's starring in stories in Marvel Comics Presents for a while.

Then we've been told a few times that there's a Deadpool solo rumored.

[Novaya Havoc]

To "Dazzler And Deadpool".

That would be the hottest goddamn book on the planet. Trust.

[NickThompson]

So is Deadpool going to limbo? Marvel get a clue.


http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showpost.php?p=3583630&postcount=74
A few things:

1) these are just 2 of the almost DOZEN changes to come from MESSIAH COMPLEX

2) this is not the end of Deadpool in the Marvel U

3) no, ,I can't answer where Fabian's going next, sorry.

Ok, back to all sorts of mutant meyham...

[Brian M.]

http://www.606studios.com/bendisboard/showpost.php?p=3583630&postcount=74

Is that Jim McCann?

[Cayman]

Perhaps Deadpool is going to join the Exiles.

[Novaya Havoc]

Perhaps Deadpool is going to join the Exiles.

Goddamnit, Cay! I tell you spoilers in confidence!

It's true. I heard from Clayton Henry who is good friends with Nachturne (the poster) that Deadpool will be moving with Sage over to Exiles.

I didn't want to like, give Brian M a stroke, but expect a lot of "WHAT THE DEVIL?!"s from the "Merc with a Mouth."

[Novaya Havoc]

Is that Jim McCann?

You mean my future ex-husband?!

Yes. Yes it is.

[Brian M.]

Goddamnit, Cay! I tell you spoilers in confidence!

It's true. I heard from Clayton Henry who is good friends with Nachturne (the poster) that Deadpool will be moving with Sage over to Exiles.

I didn't want to like, give Brian M a stroke, but expect a lot of "WHAT THE DEVIL?!"s from the "Merc with a Mouth."

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck me:(

[Cayman]

Goddamnit, Cay! I tell you spoilers in confidence!

It's true. I heard from Clayton Henry who is good friends with Nachturne (the poster) that Deadpool will be moving with Sage over to Exiles.

I didn't want to like, give Brian M a stroke, but expect a lot of "WHAT THE DEVIL?!"s from the "Merc with a Mouth."

At least Claremont will have a caance to showcase his funnybone!

[Wind-Breaker]

Perhaps Deadpool is going to join the Exiles.

oh dear god no.....

I just thought of something though: With X-Force team all having similar power, shouldn't it be called "Melee-Force"? I mean what’s their strategy going to be: "Screw projectiles and psychic blasts, I'm cutting somebody!!!"

[Jackob]

oh dear god no.....

I just thought of something though: With X-Force team all having similar power, shouldn't it be called "Melee-Force"? I mean what’s their strategy going to be: "Screw projectiles and psychic blasts, I'm cutting somebody!!!"

the cutting crew

[jmc247]

Hopefully it won't happen w/ the Magneto movie.

With Magneto being on one main book consistantly or getting his own book would be a big deal.

[ProfeZZor X]

FIERCE! :mad:

She could always adopt Wolverina as her code-name. I'm still anticipating the vicious Sabrette!

Fangoria maybe... (but then she'd have to pay royalties to the magazine).

[Gene M.]

I think this new X-Force would be the perfect book for Ed Brubaker.

[streator]

I think this new X-Force would be the perfect book for Ed Brubaker.

when i first saw the cast it made me think he might be writing this title. but who knows.

[Brian M.]

I think this new X-Force would be the perfect book for Ed Brubaker.

You know who else they need on X-Force...Hepzibah, Thornn, Dakken...Sabertooth's severed head...

[Gene M.]

You know who else they need on X-Force...Hepzibah, Thornn, Dakken...Sabertooth's severed head...
They just need to ditch Warpath.

[Cayman]

You know who else they need on X-Force...Hepzibah, Thornn, Dakken...Sabertooth's severed head...

I would like to see the costume design for Sabertooth's severed head. I think the blue would bring out his rolled-back eyes.

[Brian M.]

I would like to see the costume design for Sabertooth's severed head. I think the blue would bring out his rolled-back eyes.

Oh but his head isn't dead. His healing factor made him a tiny body that fits into a special suit made by IronMan, his head is full size but his body is no bigger than an ear.

[Cayman]

Oh but his head isn't dead. His healing factor made him a tiny body that fits into a special suit made by IronMan, his head is full size but his body is no bigger than an ear.

Cool, he's like Modok Jr.

[Faded]

Bru really must follow Warpath. I'd love to see what he could do with X-23 as well.

[Maestro]

I have a horrible feeling the writer on X-Force is Daniel Way...

[Beast]

Interesting info from the IGN version of the release news.
IGN Comics: "Complex" is leading to the cancellation of several X-titles as well as the addition of others. Can you lay out for us what books are ending? Are you able to specify the three books that are coming (and creative teams if you are able)? If not, when can fans expect to hear about these teams? When can fans expect to see the other books cancelled, and can you specify how many are getting the axe?

Alonso: I can't yet. Look for that information in a later announcement.
So we have 2 of the 3 coming X-Books. And one of the cancelled.

New Books:

1. Cable solo
2. X-Force
3. Carey's teased 'Solo' book?

Cancelled:

1. Cable & Deadpool

Possibly canidates for cancellation:

1. X-Men - Carey's got a new X-Book coming. Cancelled to make Uncanny twice a month?
2. New X-Men - X-23's left. Who knows what the status of everyone else is?

Safe:

Uncanny X-Men - We know it ain't going anywhere.
New Excalibur - New writer with Cornell.
Exiles - Confirmed as returning after the NEXiles X-Over.
X-Men: First Class - Confirmed continuing. Sells well, given it's viewed as a MA title.
X-Factor - PAD has commented on future plans.

Likely Safe:

Wolverine - Nothing concrete. But I can't see it cancelled. I guess.
Wolverine: Origins - Ditto. I guess.

[Dazzler]

It's up!!

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/xmen/disassembled/X-Who.html

Cable solo and X-Force. :)
Uh...Rahne looks like Ravage from Transformers....
So stupid.

--Dazz

[Dusty.]

I can't get enough Wolverine!

*sarcasm drips*

Clayton Crain sells X-Force for me. I'm guessing Marvel knows he's the selling point. I love his stuff, but I hope this doesn't turn into another Adi Granov/Iron-Man debacle. How long does it take him to produce an issue? I don't recall him ever doing anything monthly before.

I wonder who the writer is??? It can be a good "no name" writer like Christos Gage (no offense, Christos), because Crain and the new #1 relaunch will sell it at first.

Whatever happened to Doop from the Peter Milligan X-Force? Didn't Quesada say he was going to be a breakout character at Marvel? I take it he's not involved with this incarnation. I didn't care for Mike Aldred's art, so I didn't stick with the series, but I take it they are broken up as a team? Was anything ever made of them taking Cable's team's name? If not, I think a reckoning is in order in the pages of the new series, and Marvel can use it as a reason to bring that group back in a new series.

[Jake V]

Whatever happened to Doop from the Peter Milligan X-Force? Didn't Quesada say he was going to be a breakout character at Marvel? I take it he's not involved with this incarnation. I didn't care for Mike Aldred's art, so I didn't stick with the series, but I take it they are broken up as a team? Was anything ever made of them taking Cable's team's name? If not, I think a reckoning is in order in the pages of the new series, and Marvel can use it as a reason to bring that group back in a new series.

They all died in the last issue of their book, X-Statix.

Cable's team took issue with them stealing the name, so the new guys beat them up.

[EnDwiGast]

WHOA! Nate Grey?! When and where?!

I don't think you can completely rule it out.

Uncanny X-Men
X-Men (Astonishing)
X-Factor
Wolverine
Excalibur (New)
X-Force
Cable

add in your obligatory Generation X/New Mutants/New X-Men team

and X-Man would be the only title missing from the X-line of books from the early 90s.

[steve2275]

I like that image.

i dont like the face

[creaky]

*bangs head against desk*

X-Force is hilarious. Don't know what more to say about it at this stage other than "meh" and a prediction that there's going to be tension between Logan and Warpath. But yawn.

My rabid, frothing fangirl ears picked up this from Wizard (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005914864.cfm):

Can you give a rundown of which characters will be affected the most in Messiah Complex?

LOWE: We wanted to make sure that they all will be affected, but here’s a few you can focus in on: Layla Miller, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Cyclops, Jamie Madrox, Archangel.

*fidgets nervously*

Also, "Archangel"? Not "Angel"? Did I miss something?

[Pro]

Also, "Archangel"? Not "Angel"? Did I miss something?

Probably not, they've been using both names for a while now.

[rwsmith]

X-Force? Is this supposed to make me excited? I'm rolling my eyes. Because we need another book with Wolverine. I don't care what "role" he plays, my eyes are rolling.

I'm going to make a guess that Alonso was a huge fan of the Liefeld era.

Cable, Bishop, Forge. X-Force with four Wolverine-like characters. I'm sorry.

How many times can you make the exact same complaint? We get it. You're not fired up for this stuff. Duly noted, and I'm sure Marvel is really worried about it.

I'll be adding both books to my pull-list, and I'm sure many others will do the same. I fully expect Marvel to be rewarded financially for making some changes to their stagnant X-line, and IMO it's about time.

Bring it on! I do hope, though, that Wolverine will only be in the one X-book. No need for him to be on Astonishing and X-Force and the New Avengers, at least IMO.

[CaptainCanada]

1. X-Men - Carey's got a new X-Book coming. Cancelled to make Uncanny twice a month?
I don't think they're going to change Uncanny's publishing schedule, just replace X-Men with X-Force.

[ibrakeforchinwe]

Ugh...Wolverine on another book? Wolverine and X-23 together on a book? They will really need to sell me on this one. Is that Wolfsbane with them? I guess thats cool but 4 random people? I'm sorry. I just want to see what goes on with everyone else, I could care less about those 4.

I wish the in space X-Men could be back to see these events.

[drwho]

Does it bother anyone else that the x-men always have to have these events that shake the x-men to the core and nothing will ever be the same again? In the past the x-men titles didnt rely on these events so much. We had regular stories where people werent swapping teams every 20 issues. I guess reload was a flop. I just wish we could have longer ones with the same team before we have to shake the teams up again.

[rwsmith]

Ugh...Wolverine on another book? Wolverine and X-23 together on a book? They will really need to sell me on this one. Is that Wolfsbane with them? I guess thats cool but 4 random people? I'm sorry. I just want to see what goes on with everyone else, I could care less about those 4.

I wish the in space X-Men could be back to see these events.

I wouldn't mind Wolverine being in this book so much if I wasn't 90% sure that he'll also be on Ellis' Astonishing team. I obviously love the character, but even I'm getting sick of his overexposure. IMO the best thing Marvel could do to fix the character would be to limit his appearances to three regular books per month: 1 solo book, 1 X-title, and New Avengers. And the X-title ought to be this new X-Force IMO, as it seems to fit the character best.

As for Astonishing, I'd really like to see Cable leading that team since he's back to his old, bad-ass Terminator days.:)

[chickrockguitar]

I must say, I AM looking foward to some Laura/Logan action/bonding.
They do need some Big Bro/lil Sis time together.

[worstblogever]

As much as I loathe to think of how dull this team of Wolverine, Wolvagina, Were-Wolvagina, and Chief Stabs-A-Lot will be... I must pause to consider WHY they're all on a team. Right... let's give it a thought... I can only come up with two storytelling/editorial reasons they'd team all these characters up, and NOT make it dull.

Usually, on a team book, there's a fighter/tracker because they're filling a niche. This team seems to have that as their function and overall purpose. With the teaser shot of X-Factor #26 that has all these characters, plus Hepzibah (Skunkverine) AND Caliban (Wolverine's mentally challenged fugly cousin), it seems even more clear that something is going to be hunted to the ends of the Earth by one-time followers of Xavier's dream.

Now, this team could theoretically form to try to track down the first mutant born after M-Day. It'd fit well with the book's first solicit during Messiah Complex. That's a lock. But that, at best, gives from 12-25 issues of story. Considering much of "Messiah" plays out throughtout the X-books, I'm thinking it will actually be more like the first six.

So, you put the X-Trackerz together... and then what? Well, word on the "Secret Invasion" panel is that the X-Men and other X-Books will heavily play upon the Skrulls being in the Marvel U. Maybe they hunt for missing heroes? Maybe they hunt down Skrull dopplegangers. More than likely its the former, since Wolverine's heightened senses can't tell a Skrull from Shinola anymore.

With all these thoughts...and whether or not my plot estimations matter worth a damn, I still think it will be a dull book that will have a line-up change after a few issues, and by #25 (if it stands a prayer of lasting THAT long) only one or two of the preview members will still be in possession of X-Force decoder rings.

But what the hell do I know? :confused: I have just enough preview art to grasp at straws, and comics precognition can be a cruel b*tch of a mistress what with clones, unexplained resurrections, and retcons that make my brain numb.

[Beast]

I don't think they're going to change Uncanny's publishing schedule, just replace X-Men with X-Force.
They're doing it for Spider-Man. I can see them doing it here as well.

[asief]

Well, word on the "Secret Invasion" panel is that the X-Men and other X-Books will heavily play upon the Skrulls being in the Marvel U. Maybe they hunt for missing heroes? Maybe they hunt down Skrull dopplegangers. More than likely its the former, since Wolverine's heightened senses can't tell a Skrull from Shinola anymore.

I'm just still grinning from ear to ear that the X-Men aren't being sidelined again :D :) :D :)

[Don Quixote]

Now, this team could theoretically form to try to track down the first mutant born after M-Day. It'd fit well with the book's first solicit during Messiah Complex. That's a lock. But that, at best, gives from 12-25 issues of story. Considering much of "Messiah" plays out throughtout the X-books, I'm thinking it will actually be more like the first six.

So, you put the X-Trackerz together... and then what? Well, word on the "Secret Invasion" panel is that the X-Men and other X-Books will heavily play upon the Skrulls being in the Marvel U. Maybe they hunt for missing heroes? Maybe they hunt down Skrull dopplegangers. More than likely its the former, since Wolverine's heightened senses can't tell a Skrull from Shinola anymore.

With all these thoughts...and whether or not my plot estimations matter worth a damn, I still think it will be a dull book that will have a line-up change after a few issues, and by #25 (if it stands a prayer of lasting THAT long) only one or two of the preview members will still be in possession of X-Force decoder rings.


I guess that does make sense. And, God knows, I'll be much happier if there's a chance this Stab-Force book lasts only as long as the Skrullmageddon arc.

But I can't remember Laura ever really being shown as a tracker. She's an assassin, as much as anything. So she'd fit more into the killing Skrulls idea than the tracking missing heroes one.

Though I would rather that Marvel continued pretending that the X-Men live in their own world until the Skrull thing is over. Skrulls are dumb.

[MartinRedmond]

You know who else they need on X-Force...Hepzibah, Thornn, Dakken...Sabertooth's severed head...

And Rob Liefeld. Why don't they just hand over the books to some crap publisher like Top Cow or Avatar Press already?

[MartinRedmond]

YUKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11. Nothing but black costumes with red eyes? WTf. Why does Rhane have her whole head covered? How does she breathe in that?

She isn't breathing. Look how her young pubescent body withers in pain from the asphiXiation, errr... I mean, look how empowered she stands! This is great, comics aren't just for sexless geeks looking for wank material anymore.

[Brett P]

Rahnes pubescant?? Don't think so...

[Elias Bogan]

Does it bother anyone else that the x-men always have to have these events that shake the x-men to the core and nothing will ever be the same again? In the past the x-men titles didnt rely on these events so much. We had regular stories where people werent swapping teams every 20 issues. I guess reload was a flop. I just wish we could have longer ones with the same team before we have to shake the teams up again.

Consider this: Revolution lasted 13 months, New/X-Treme lasted 36 months, Reload lasted 26 months and the latest Carey will apparantly only last 18 months (Jul 06 - Jan 08).

[jarrod]

My rabid, frothing fangirl ears picked up this from Wizard (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005914864.cfm):

Can you give a rundown of which characters will be affected the most in Messiah Complex?

LOWE: We wanted to make sure that they all will be affected, but here’s a few you can focus in on: Layla Miller, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Cyclops, Jamie Madrox, Archangel.

*fidgets nervously*
Ellis to the rescue? I've got my fingers+toes all crossed...

[Cthulhudrew]

Know she's been getting a tad 'passionate' of late, but ebony?

One of those concept pics looks like that might be part of her costume (the black portions). Why she'd wear a costume that covered her in wolf form is beyond me. Maybe she's concerned about being having her secret wolf identity revealed- she wants to remain an anonymous lupine.

[protogarrett]

I think Hep and Caliban join the group. We already saw a picture with this group sans the black outfits. (Wish I had a copy of it with me to post though).

I hope this next shuffle brings back some long lost characters *cough cough Northstar and Reyes cough* And get Malice out of Karima's body too.

[Don Quixote]

I think Hep and Caliban join the group. We already saw a picture with this group sans the black outfits. (Wish I had a copy of it with me to post though).


How silly are Caliban and Hepzibah going to look in those black gimp suits, though?

Is it just me, or is it every time Marvel are asked who to watch out for in MC, they give a different list of names? Talk about evasive.

[Beast]

I think Hep and Caliban join the group. We already saw a picture with this group sans the black outfits. (Wish I had a copy of it with me to post though).

I hope this next shuffle brings back some long lost characters *cough cough Northstar and Reyes cough* And get Malice out of Karima's body too.
Already posted it earlier in the thread. The Messiah Complex cover from X-Factor #26.

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/nine/X-FACTOR026000Dcopy.jpg

Northstar (and Aurora) are under embargo. There are plans for him (them) outside the X-Office.

Cecilia Reyes was possibly confirmed as killed in flashback in Endangered Species.

[jarrod]

"possibly confirmed"? How's that work exactly? :P


Skids better stick around too... I want her and Tab on the X-Men...

[frog]

Cecilia Reyes was possibly confirmed as killed in flashback in Endangered Species.

Hmmm. I wonder if Carey would be able to answer if we outright asked him whether or not that was Cecilia.

[Beast]

"possibly confirmed"? How's that work exactly? :P

Skids better stick around too... I want her and Tab on the X-Men...
Because it could have just been Beast's imagination, reading the names in the extermination files.

It's unlikely, because it seems fairly pointless if it was just an imaginary depiction of the event.

But if Cece wasn't killed there, then the question is... where is she? With Sinister?

[Charybdis4]

So what we have here is a team that can scratch/bite people, look menacing, growl a lot & sniff dog s*** from 500 metres away.........mmmmmmmm.

They are seriously ****** if they are up against long range energy wielders!

[Diablito]

Now that I pay attention, the design of the characters look amazing, but I'm not sure about the team. I understand they have a purpose, but bleh. The Cable ongoing sounds ok, but not worth the loss of Cable and Deadpool.


Last thing. If there is no "real X-Men" after this, I will drop comics until there is one. And no, Astonishing doesn't count.

[Pro]

It's unlikely, because it seems fairly pointless if it was just an imaginary depiction of the event.

None of the people shown in that tragedy looked like Cece though. Even if she was there then it's still only Beast's imagination. Easily retconned by the next person who wants to use her.

But if Cece wasn't killed there, then the question is... where is she? With Sinister?

One theory mentioned was that her brother helped her disappear. She never wanted to be a mutant and after going through the most dreadfull experience a mutant can go through i can fully understand if she decided to vanish from sight. Doubly so if she has lost her powers during M-day.

[Pach!]

So what we have here is a team that can scratch/bite people, look menacing, growl a lot & sniff dog s*** from 500 metres away.........mmmmmmmm.

They are seriously ****** if they are up against long range energy wielders!

They probably won't then.

[Beast]

None of the people shown in that tragedy looked like Cece though. Even if she was there then it's still only Beast's imagination. Easily retconned by the next person who wants to use her.
The one that's the center of the flashback is supposed to be her.
One theory mentioned was that her brother helped her disappear. She never wanted to be a mutant and after going through the most dreadfull experience a mutant can go through i can fully understand if she decided to vanish from sight. Doubly so if she has lost her powers during M-day.
Unlikely. Given he's angry at the X-Men because they don't know where she is either.

[Pro]

The one that's the center of the flashback is supposed to be her.

I realise that but like i said it didn't really look like her. I don't rightly recall, did he actually read her name and her fate, because it seemed more of a general description of events coupled with the knowledge Cece had been incarcerated there rather than a clear cut:"Cecilia Reyes was shot dead on date x".

Unlikely. Given he's angry at the X-Men because they don't know where she is either.

I know, but given that we haven't seen him put any effort in finding her he might just be playing the part of worried sibling. If he doesn't show any concern for her disappearance Cece's cover would be blown in no time.

It's far from a perfect theory, i realise that but i can see a writer using a plot like that to return her if he wants the character.

[drwho]

Am I confused? Isnt cerebra able to pick up all the thoughts of people all over the planet. If so why not just have Prof X go looking for these "missing" x-men?

[protogarrett]

Am I confused? Isnt cerebra able to pick up all the thoughts of people all over the planet. If so why not just have Prof X go looking for these "missing" x-men?

Seriously! Emma can hop into Cerebra as her nail polish dries, find Cece, and boom, problem solved. Not hard! Find Karma, Husk, and Lifegaurd while she's at it. Never know when you'll need another replacement or cannon fodder (depending on if you like them or not).

Apparently Emma's just too busy with Breakworld, the Marauders, Belasco, and whatever other excuse she has... lol.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

The fact that Caliban and Hepzibah are not part of X-Force makes me think they don't make it out of Messiah Complex alive. I would be pissed if Hepzibah was killed off. They brought her to Earth so she could be cannon fodder for a crossover.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

i bet that Loeb is writing X-Force...

[Beast]

The fact that Caliban and Hepzibah are not part of X-Force makes me think they don't make it out of Messiah Complex alive. I would be pissed if Hepzibah was killed off. They brought her to Earth so she could be cannon fodder for a crossover.
It's Brubaker's calling card. Bring a character from limbo into the books. Then kill them in a pointless manner.

Banshee - X
Corsair - X
Caliban and Hephzibah - The Sword of Damacles is hanging over their heads.

Plus someone still has to die in Brubaker's Morlock arc. Cause someone always has to die.

[Don Quixote]

Plus someone still has to die in Brubaker's Morlock arc. Cause someone always has to die.

Poor Skids had better watch her back, then.

[DDM]

I smell the Quesada hype machine at work. In other words, ignore all the clues; it does not mean anything when the so-called event is published.

[Omega Alpha]

It's Brubaker's calling card. Bring a character from limbo into the books. Then kill them in a pointless manner.

Banshee - X
Corsair - X
Caliban and Hephzibah - The Sword of Damacles is hanging over their heads.

Plus someone still has to die in Brubaker's Morlock arc. Cause someone always has to die.

That's ridiculous. Look at Cap. America: last issue was the 5th of the arc and no one died so far, right?

Oh, wait...:D

[Beast]

That's ridiculous. Look at Cap. America: last issue was the 5th of the arc and no one died so far, right?

Oh, wait...:D
He doesn't employ it so much in non-team books. It would sorta decimate the cast. ;)

[Shyft]

Of course we will have to wait to see what happens etc etc, but from what ive seen so far, i do NOT like the look of what is coming. "the biggest X-men shift in 10 years" cos M-Day wasn't enough? "there might not even BE an X-men after this event".why the hell not? who can HONESTLY say that they would be pleased to see the X-men split into other crappy X-teams as a result of this? X-force looks pretty cool i guess but overall im extremely wary.

[Fatguy]

It's Brubaker's calling card. Bring a character from limbo into the books. Then kill them in a pointless manner.

Banshee - X
Corsair - X
Caliban and Hephzibah - The Sword of Damacles is hanging over their heads.

Plus someone still has to die in Brubaker's Morlock arc. Cause someone always has to die.


That is indeed lame. They seem to use death a little too cheaply in comics these days, to force readers into a sense of "drama" that isnt there. I like Hephzibah, so I hope she didnt come to earth just to die in a mutant crossover.

And on a P.S., for the billionth time, I miss Banshee :mad:

[rwsmith]

Why do you miss Banshee? He was hardly ever in the books anyway. I actually forgot he was dead until just now.

[Beast]

Why do you miss Banshee? He was hardly ever in the books anyway. I actually forgot he was dead until just now.
Why did you care about or miss Cable? Why do you care about Wolverine? Because they are character you like.

Just because a character isn't appearing at the moment, doesn't mean they should be dragged out of limbo and have a hole blown through their head simply in order to shock people. Every character is someone's favorite, even if they arn't A-Listers. So just willy nilly killing them just for shock value is really sort of sad. It's not resurrections that make death meaningless, it's the pointless deaths that are more to blame.

[rwsmith]

I was actually just kidding, Beast. Settle down. Seriously, though, Banshee will back, just like Cable is back. It'll probably just take longer, though, because he's not as marketable. But he'll be back eventually.

And there's always the Ultimate Universe too. To my knowledge we've not yet met Ultimate Banshee.

[Slung]

I was actually just kidding, Beast. Settle down. Seriously, though, Banshee will back, just like Cable is back. It'll probably just take longer, though, because he's not as marketable. But he'll be back eventually.

Banshee is a GREAT character and terribly missed. I loved his "supporting character" role for most of the 80's and early 90's and then his role GenX was priceless.

But what about poor Jean??? Cable's died as many times as Jean but he gets to resurrect five months after his death...and Jean is a very marketable character.

[Pach!]

It's different because Cable isn't "resurrecting". He never died it was just supposed to seem like he died, that was part of the story. Which is why he's coming back so fast. Because it's part of the story.

[Beast]

And there's always the Ultimate Universe too. To my knowledge we've not yet met Ultimate Banshee.
And we've also seen rumors that Ultimate X-Men is being cancelled. And that the Ultimate Universe is going to be revamped in a major way with Ultimate Origins and Ultimatum. So we may not even get to Ultimate Banshee.

[Faded]

*bangs head against desk*

X-Force is hilarious. Don't know what more to say about it at this stage other than "meh" and a prediction that there's going to be tension between Logan and Warpath. But yawn.

My rabid, frothing fangirl ears picked up this from Wizard (http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/wizard/005914864.cfm):

Can you give a rundown of which characters will be affected the most in Messiah Complex?

LOWE: We wanted to make sure that they all will be affected, but here’s a few you can focus in on: Layla Miller, Nightcrawler, Mystique, Cyclops, Jamie Madrox, Archangel.

*fidgets nervously*

Also, "Archangel"? Not "Angel"? Did I miss something?

Probably just to differentiate from the badass MOFO Angel Salvadore.

[Deus ex Chris]

Probably just to differentiate from the badass MOFO Angel Salvadore.
Former badass MOFO. She's been gutted along with her boy toy.

[Faded]

Former badass MOFO. She's been gutted along with her boy toy.

Ugh. Skrulls.

[Deus ex Chris]

Ugh. Skrulls.
Let's hope so.

[_Jayme_]

Are you shitting me with the X-Force team? Wow...that must have been the new team they were discussing at Comic Con. What a load of bull...Hopefully the Cable series will do good.

[PatchMadripoor]

Going off on a tangent here, but the new X-force may be what Wolvie needs to go up against Romulus and his tooth-n-claw flunkies.

[CmX]

Banshee is a GREAT character and terribly missed. I loved his "supporting character" role for most of the 80's and early 90's and then his role GenX was priceless.

But what about poor Jean??? Cable's died as many times as Jean but he gets to resurrect five months after his death...and Jean is a very marketable character.

I think the reason for that was Cable's death was very open ended and it was obvious there would be a ressurection. As for Jean it looked like a more nail in the coffin thing especially with Planet X's ending. But you know Marvel is itching for the perfect storyline to ressurect her in, I wouldn't doubt it if that's what Messiah Complex was all about to be honest.

[Beast]

Former badass MOFO. She's been gutted along with her boy toy.
Gutted? This must be like when people use Bad to mean Good. :D

[Fatguy]

Why do you miss Banshee? He was hardly ever in the books anyway. I actually forgot he was dead until just now.

I love the Banshee!

When I was 14 years old, I spent $75 to get his first appearance issue, which was no small amount for me to obtain at the time ;)

[Novaya Havoc]

And on a P.S., for the billionth time, I miss Banshee :mad:

Over Banshee. New Siryn > Banshee.

It's sad when comics give people children, because then I start to despise the parent.

Banshee is one character I don't really miss, because PAD made Siryn more awesome and teh sex.


EDIT: Actually, Rachel totally goes against this child > parent rule like, times 1,000,000.

[Slung]

Over Banshee. New Siryn > Banshee.

It's sad when comics give people children, because then I start to despise the parent.

Banshee is one character I don't really miss, because PAD made Siryn more awesome and teh sex.


EDIT: Actually, Rachel totally goes against this child > parent rule like, times 1,000,000.

She's an alternate timeline/future child which is the exception to your rule.

[jaxcs]

I haven't a clue where Marvel is going with all of this. I mean does the xmen need to be disassembled? There are officially only 198 mutants left, about 300 in the most recent story line. How much more can they be disassembled? Evey time they've been given a little advantage like technology or a home in the pacific, they've had it torn from under them. I know the writers think that essence of the mutant story is strife against the rest of humanity but I'm getting tired of all these losses. Can't they get and keep a win?

[creaky]

What bugs me the most about the X-Force team isn't that they're all trackers and stabbers looking like a Marilyn Manson video, but that I can't see any obvious chemistry between them. I can't see an interesting team dynamic come from this. For a mini, that might work, but an ongoing?

[worstblogever]

http://images.comicbookresources.com/news/x-position/nine/X-FACTOR026000Dcopy.jpg

It occured to me on the way to work... but ladies and gentlemen...

TEAM SCRATCH 'N' SNIFF!!!:D

[xarathos]

How come no one ever complains about non sense resurections unless it's Jean who was resurected once. Colossus was cremated and scattered over his farm...

I was glad they killed collosus. He was such a sad character by then.

[creaky]

It occured to me on the way to work... but ladies and gentlemen...

TEAM SCRATCH 'N' SNIFF!!!:D

Oh that's beautiful. You win a weekend on the Internet.

[jarrod]

i bet that Loeb is writing X-Force...
Stop it, you're scaring me! :(

[Pach!]

Ok if it's Loeb writing I might not be as excited as I thought.

[Omega Alpha]

i bet that Loeb is writing X-Force...

No, he's too busy destroying the Hulk to do that...:(

[DeadMuskrat]

You know, I was really excited to see how this was going everything was going to turn out after Messiah Complex. Ever since Morrison stopped writing X-men it's become a roller coaster ride (not the good kind, more of the "ok I've had enough of this" kind) of different writers all trying to put their mark on the teams to the point where it's become a jumbled mess. When I heard that Messiah Complex was going to streamline everything again, I was happy.

After seeing this though, my expectations have lowered some. Maybe there's an interesting twist to this new X-force that will intrigue me enough to pick it up, but for now I could care less about those characters and what they have planned for them.

[Deus ex Chris]

Double post!!!

[Deus ex Chris]

Gutted? This must be like when people use Bad to mean Good. :D
No, it's definitely when bad means bad. New Warriors is a disaster, and the writer has completely missed the point of Angel and Beak--or he's ignoring it.

[Swashbuckler]

I think it looks awesome and I for one can't wait to see who else is on the team. I hope Hepzibah is, I like her.

[sephirothskiller]

"Alonso: Individually, they’re killers, but together? Look out."

Dear god what are they doing to Rahne in messiah complex? Sounds like someone might become an Athiest! (Or crazy.)

"Alonso: Well Cable's back, that's for sure - the only question is when: the past, the present, or the future?"

I wonder if his nineties style uniform is a hint?