Console fanboyism

[Perry Holley]

Can we please cut out the idiotic "system X rocks, system Y sucks" mentality?

I realize that everyone has their favorites, and that's only natural, but the sort of obsessive extreme that some people here take that to is becoming a bit disruptive. Furthermore, it doesn't really impress anyone, it just makes you look foolish, as you wander closer and closer toward a Deathlok mentality.

Now, I personally don't mind people making themselves look foolish (because, quite frankly, the sort of unintentional humor that arises from this sort of nonsense is something I'll admit I find to be highly amusing, primarily because the people guilty of this sort of thing never seem to realize that they aren't really impressing anyone --- quite the opposite), but overall it seems to be causing no small amount of tension and discontent here.

So knock off the console fanboyism/"real gamer" nonsense, or warnings and/or bannings will follow.

[Gargus]

Two rules of gaming I always lived by. 1) Good graphics do not equal good games and 2) The system a game is on doesnt make it good or bad, the game itself is what makes it worth playing or not playing.

A console is only as good as the games on it. Sony, microsoft, nintendo just make the hardware for the games to be played on. Its up to the developers of the games themselves to make the games good. Thats why I own a ps3, wii, ds, psp and 360 (not to mention vitually all previous systems), Im not a fan of any one system. I go where the good games are. People worry way to much about whats wrong with a system or what they dont like about it, which is alot of times based on nothing or just pure dis-taste for that company.

Like the upcoming metal gear solid 4 I am dying for and can not wait. Do I really care if its going to be on ps3 or 360? No. I just want to play the game itself.

It doesnt make sense to be a fanboy of one console. If you automatically bash and refuse to recognize say ps3 or 360 then your missing out on the games for it that you cant play anywhere else. Its close minded and stupid. Be a fanboy of games, without them a console is just a expensive paperweight.

[jesse_custer]

You can say system X or system Y sucks and contruct a meaningful argument to show why you believe so without being a fanboy about it. I believe it is important to note this possibility and/or exception.

[Shellhead]

It's all about the sour grapes. Consoles are expensive, so it's cheaper and easier to pick one system and stay loyal to it and bad mouth the competition.

[Captain Trips]

You can say system X or system Y sucks and contruct a meaningful argument to show why you believe so without being a fanboy about it. I believe it is important to note this possibility and/or exception.

And is saying "Somehow, Sony has now dropped lower than the proverbial snake's ballbag." constructing a meaningful argument? I guess this is the exception.

I own a PS3 so of course I want there to be good games, but I have repeatedly said that it is best for us as consumers to have as many good choices as possible. Yet I see the people who are proclaiming to be constructing "meaningful arguments" slamming system X or system Y and then ridiculing others who do the same.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[jesse_custer]

And is saying "Somehow, Sony has now dropped lower than the proverbial snake's ballbag." constructing a meaningful argument? I guess this is the exception.

I explained my position later on in the thread. However, it's pretty obvious that sending a guide to professional reviewers is a desperate and pathetic attempt at saving face, and that would apply to Nintendo, Microsoft, or whomever you're talking about.

Also, I haven't ridiculed anyone who has bought a PS3. My comments have been reserved for Sony and its numerous mistakes.

[Kevin M.]

Most of the threads turn into flame war's because of the actions of certian individuals who come in, and wreck the topic.

[Silliw 2]

Can we please cut out the idiotic "system X rocks, system Y sucks" mentality?

I realize that everyone has their favorites, and that's only natural, but the sort of obsessive extreme that some people here take that to is becoming a bit disruptive. Furthermore, it doesn't really impress anyone, it just makes you look foolish, as you wander closer and closer toward a Deathlok mentality.

Now, I personally don't mind people making themselves look foolish (because, quite frankly, the sort of unintentional humor that arises from this sort of nonsense is something I'll admit I find to be highly amusing, primarily because the people guilty of this sort of thing never seem to realize that they aren't really impressing anyone --- quite the opposite), but overall it seems to be causing no small amount of tension and discontent here.

So knock off the console fanboyism/"real gamer" nonsense, or warnings and/or bannings will follow.

Perry hearts Gizmondo - confirmed
















...oh God pleases don't ban me... :D

[Serik]

Yeah, we all know real gamers use PCs anyway :D

Thank god people don't argue about, say, dishwashers the same way they do about videogame consoles.

[Black Atom]

I haven't really been hearing too much fanboyism on the boards. Sony has recently become a target because of how badly they've stumbled out of the gate this gen and continue to have problems. Last gen, Sony was a fan fave. It's good that there's multiple consoles on the market and even better that each is developing it's own personality. That's the best way to meet the demands of an increasingly varied market. But of course, in a situation like that, people are going to have their favorites.

[Shostie]

But of course, in a situation like that, people are going to have their favorites.

True, but I've read posts (on other boards) where it seems like some people actively WANT Sony to fail.

Now don't get me wrong. When I was younger, I actively wanted Sega to fail, because I owned an SNES. It was a console war. Back then, it was kind of fun debating which system was the superior one. In the end, we learned that it doesn't matter which system has the most games, or the fastest processors, or the most colorful graphics. What matters is whether or not the games are decent and whether or not you enjoy playing said games.

I guess that lesson didn't quite take. If you like a system and want to play the games for it, fine. By all means, play, enjoy. But I get tired of people tearing down company x simply because they own a console made by rival corporation. It's too 8th grade.

[Chase]

Most of the threads turn into flame war's because of the actions of certain individuals who come in, and wreck the topic.

Seconded here.

[Shellhead]

Yeah, we all know real gamers use PCs anyway :D

Thank god people don't argue about, say, dishwashers the same way they do about videogame consoles.

Heh. I have avoided all the consoles so far and stuck with PC games, but BioShock has become StickerShock for me. I could buy one each of all the main consoles right now for less than it would cost me to buy a PC that could run BioShock. Since BioShock is also on XBox 360, it's not like I need the new PC to play the game.

[Thorlief]

And is saying "Somehow, Sony has now dropped lower than the proverbial snake's ballbag." constructing a meaningful argument? I guess this is the exception.

I own a PS3 so of course I want there to be good games, but I have repeatedly said that it is best for us as consumers to have as many good choices as possible. Yet I see the people who are proclaiming to be constructing "meaningful arguments" slamming system X or system Y and then ridiculing others who do the same.

Pot. Kettle. Black.

it wasn't a meaningful argument and it didn't have to, it was a comment based on a pretty bad choice made by Sony in a time its popularity and credibilty are all over the place. Which is a recognized fact, not a anti-sony rant.

personally I haven't experienced much fanboyism here, although some users tend to LOL and stuff too much non-written fanboyism between the lines (Wii Fit anyone?) . I'm with Perry about this matter, and I hope we never see the mess already present in full force in other forums like Neogaf

but oh boy, I can imagine what it would be if we were still in the Snes/ Genesis era..:D

[Black Atom]

I don't mind the LOLing, really. It seems good-natured enough.

With Sega/Nintendo, both were also developers, so that helped fuel the rivalry there. But those systems really had more in common than not, which made the whole bit that much funnier.

[StoneGold]

Just out of curiousity, does USA Today count as being anti-Sony?

http://kotaku.com/gaming/consumer/ps3-used-as-example-of-over-priced-electronics-298096.php

No, of course not. Just because you mention the shortcoming of a system - in this case, Sony's shoddy marketing of the PS3 - doesn't make it bashing. If all they did was write stories showing how much the PS3 sucked, and then followed it up with a "Colecovision rules!" then yes, they'd be bashing. But just because someone says something bad about your favorite system of choice doesn't mean they are out to get either the system or you.

Sony's marketing plan has doomed the PS3 to be the next-gen Neo Geo. The 360 has a ridiculously high rate of failure. The Wii is underpowered and designed for 12-year-old girls.


Colecovision rules!!!

[Thorlief]

Sony's marketing plan has doomed the PS3 to be the next-gen Neo Geo. The 360 has a ridiculously high rate of failure. The Wii is underpowered and designed for 12-year-old girls.


Colecovision rules!!!

I see what you did here!

[Black Atom]

True gamers know it's all about N-Gage this gen.

[nervmeister]

Most fanboys are people who have money for only one system. So they HAVE to be insanely zealous towards it just to make themselves feel secure that they made the right choice.

[Michael P]

it wasn't a meaningful argument and it didn't have to be

No, sorry, it does. This is a discussion forum, not a snark forum. If you can't articulate your argument above the level of a junior high locker room, I'd rather you not speak at all.

[Perry Holley]

True gamers know it's all about N-Gage this gen.*splort*

You owe me a new monitor!

[Thorlief]

No, sorry, it does. This is a discussion forum, not a snark forum. If you can't articulate your argument above the level of a junior high locker room, I'd rather you not speak at all.

but you have to agree there are some facts that are so ridiculous and self-explanatory, it's really hard to build an argument around em. It's because they're "WHAT THE--" facts. But I see where you're coming from, this is a discussion forum and it has to stay true to this rule (it's not that we haven't discussed the matter in the topic, anyways)

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Most fanboys are people who have money for only one system. So they HAVE to be insanely zealous towards it just to make themselves feel secure that they made the right choice.ha so true..but at the same time i wouldn't buy a ps3.i just in good conscious couldn't force myself to buy a 600 toy.and yes i had a ps1,and ps2.so for now i'll stick with my X360,and hopefully a Wii if i can ever find one :rolleyes:

[Thorlief]

I don't mind the LOLing, really. It seems good-natured enough.

With Sega/Nintendo, both were also developers, so that helped fuel the rivalry there. But those systems really had more in common than not, which made the whole bit that much funnier.

pretty much. I loved the Sega fanboys, they were strongly convinced Sonic was a much superior game to SMW and man their will was rock-solid

it was childish fanboyism, much funnier than the professional version we have today

[Deep_Sleeper]

I think it goes far back. Back in the 8 and 16 bit era, Nintendo really kicked Sega's ass. Their games were better overall. You could always find a small treasure on the Genesis, but on the whole SNES really killed the Genesis.

It's all about the games, though. Whichever systems has the overall lead in the "wicked" games category will no doubt become the console that rules all.

I don't think I've ever had a system that I enjoyed playing games on more than the PS2. That's my console of choice, just because of so many games that I love playing on it. Yeah, most of those games are available on the X-Box, but the PS2 was my console of choice.

Not berating X-Box, because it had some really awesome games. I wish the PS2 had a killer FPS game like HALO on it, but it didn't. Too bad.

I think it's cool to have console favourtism, but to say outright that a system sucks because you don't own it or envy it is really retarded. If you own a system and have been constantly disappointed with the quality of games and extras, that's another matter entirely.

[Perry Holley]

A bit of clarification: I'm not saying that you can't ever be critical of a certain system. There are certainly times when a certain amount of criticism is certainly justified (the Lair fiasco springs to mind). However, it's the "rah rah rah, my system roxxor, your system suxxor!" mentality that I object to (as well as the counter-argument of "you're all being critical because you all just a bunch of bashers!"). This sort of juvenile nonsense doesn't add anything meaningful or substantive to the discussions here. Even worse is the "you're not a real gamer" nonsense that we've seen here from time to time (and I swear, the next person to use that tired bit of crap is pretty much begging for a banning).

Look, we're all here to have fun. Specifically, we're here to discuss (primarily) the sort of games we have fun with. Discuss. Debate, even. But keep it civil. I'm not adverse to a bit of snark here and there (it would be rather hypocritical of me if I was), but a little snark goes a loooong way, and should not be overused. Someone visiting this forum shouldn't have to feel defensive about what games/system/whatever that they happen to enjoy, just because some would-be demagogue feels otherwise.

Honestly, most of you out there reading this are great posters, and I'm glad you're here. I hope you're having fun on this board. But it only takes a few people with more ire than courtesy to screw things up and make things heated for everyone, and quite frankly my patience for dealing with them is rapidly coming to an end...

[nervmeister]

ha so true..but at the same time i wouldn't buy a ps3.i just in good conscious couldn't force myself to buy a 600 toy.and yes i had a ps1,and ps2.so for now i'll stick with my X360,and hopefully a Wii if i can ever find one :rolleyes:Well, Wii's are mad cheap now. So grabbing one wouldnt be such a bad idea.

[thehod]

This is nothing new. I can remember having arguements in the playground over the relevent merits of the ZX Spectrum to the C64 almost 25 years ago.

25 years!!!

Nothing was every solved back then (apart from the fact the the Speccy was by far the more superior machine, of course) and nothing will ever solve the same arguements that will still rage in 25 years time over the XXX-Box, the Nintendo Banzi and the Nokia/Sony Playphone.

[jesse_custer]

No, sorry, it does. This is a discussion forum, not a snark forum. If you can't articulate your argument above the level of a junior high locker room, I'd rather you not speak at all.

Asking for a "meaningful argument" against Sony sending a guide to professional reviewers is like asking for a meaningful argument against child rape. It's pretty clear in both cases that the parties in question are pathetic and desperate.

[Shostie]

Most fanboys are people who have money for only one system. So they HAVE to be insanely zealous towards it just to make themselves feel secure that they made the right choice.

This is very true. I'd like to think that in my many years of gaming I've learned a thing or two. That's why I'm essentially skipping out of this console generation. Last gen was easy, I bought a PS2 since it played all my old PS1 games and served as an adequate DVD player. But this one I'm stumped. I don't have a high def TV, I don't want to hook my console up to the internet and pay $12+ a month for the privilege of seeing the full content of a game I just paid good money for, and I don't have an army of friends, parents, grandparents, children, or random strangers to flail my limbs around a room with.

My PS2 still works well, and I have a stack of games that I have yet to beat. So I'm sitting this one out, at least until there's a clear winner (who wants to waste their money on a system that might turn out to be the next N64 or Dreamcast or Master System?).

[Jared H.]

Speaking of fanboyism, here's a great parody site (http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/).

Absolutely hysterical.

[I Must Break U]

After reading some of the comment i have one thing to say...NINTENDO RULES, EVERYTHING ELSE SUCKS!!!!!! HA HA HA HA. I am kidding!

I think that blind loyalty is totally uncalled for. I have been playing nintendo since 85 or 86( i forget which) I have had evey nintendo system since then. except virtua boy. However i bought the playstation when it first came out, and i have been hooked every sense. The point i am trying to make, and doing a terrbile job at, is that if you consider yourself a true gamer, you will get every system that you feels offers the games that you want to play. For example i am going to get a 360 for xbox live( best online service ever) I am getting a ps3 for MGS4, Uncharted, and some other exclusives. And i bought my wii so that my wife and daughter could get into gaming, also so i could relive some of my 8bit, 16bit days.

[Thorlief]

^so you played Nintendo since '86 and aren't even looking forward to Brawl, Galaxy, Corruption?

just teasing you :)

[Kevin M.]

Speaking of fanboyism, here's a great parody site (http://www.sonydefenseforce.com/).

Absolutely hysterical.


Either they are really funny, or they are really sad.

[StreetFighterRyu]

The 360 has a ridiculously high rate of failure.

I don't know about that. There are alot of people that rather have the 360 than the PS3. Mostly because it came out late. Or a wrong time. Whichever one it is. As far as I can tell, the 360 is mostly used for online rather than offline play. That's how I'm looking at the 360 now. (Since I have a Live account that is) But I what I hate are the players there in Live. I mean, geez.

EDIT: Btw, there's no such thing as "true gamer". That's just a term gamers like to call themselves to make themsleves feel better than everyone else. That's what I think it is.

[Kevin M.]

EDIT: Btw, there's no such thing as "true gamer". That's just a term gamers like to call themselves to make themsleves feel better than everyone else. That's what I think it is.


Quoted for truth.

[The Zapper]

Asking for a "meaningful argument" against Sony sending a guide to professional reviewers is like asking for a meaningful argument against child rape. It's pretty clear in both cases that the parties in question are pathetic and desperate.

This quote is both awesome and accurate.

[StoneGold]

I don't know about that.

It's pretty well documented. It's why Microsoft keeps upping the warranty on the system. Something like 30%, I last heard.

[Silliw 2]

yeah, I love my 360, but these things are almost guranteed to RROD on you. Every person I know that owns a 360 has gone threw at least one system.

[StoneGold]

yeah, I love my 360, but these things are almost guranteed to RROD on you. Every person I know that owns a 360 has gone threw at least one system.

I'm on my first. But I know it's a problem. Don't deny that fact.

[Thorlief]

me too, but I guess it's because I havent played it for more than 20 minutes per month

[Alex]

Deathlok mentality.
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Deathlok was lame perry, you friggen nub.

[Perry Holley]

Deathlok was lame perry, you friggen nub.That was kinda the point. Anyone who remembers Deathlok should be terrified at the prospect that they're acting in a similar manner.

"What Would Deathlok Do? Well... DON'T DO THAT!"

[Alex]

That was kinda the point. Anyone who remembers Deathlok should be terrified at the prospect that they're acting in a similar manner.

"What Would Deathlok Do? Well... DON'T DO THAT!"

Oh.
Earlier comment retracted, well done sir.

[Jmacq1]

I'm on my first. But I know it's a problem. Don't deny that fact.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat, though I've only had mine for about six months.

[Jared H.]

I'm on my first. But I know it's a problem. Don't deny that fact.

Yep, I'm on my second one as well.

Microsoft took good care of me, however. They even gave me a second hard drive(though I think it was accidental on their part).

Since then, I've got one of the better cooling fans on it, and have had no problems.

[StreetFighterRyu]

So far I only went through one RROD. And we've (me and my brother) been playing it almost half a day everyday. I'm guessing is because I bought it later after it came out? Or that doesn't matter? I had it a few months after it was released and only encounter one problem.


Since then, I've got one of the better cooling fans on it, and have had no problems.

Careful. I heard the fan is one of the reasons for the RROD. But I haven't have any problems so.

[Nate Grey]

My dad got a 360 for his birthday (the core), and it RROD within days. He just took it back to Wal-Mart, got another one, works fine.

Nothing more to add except...o Saturn, you were never given a chance. *sniff*

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

yeah, I love my 360, but these things are almost guranteed to RROD on you. Every person I know that owns a 360 has gone threw at least one system.

Yup, mine crapped out just last week. Red rings o' death.


Right after I rented CAC:3, too.



They must have plenty of experience dealing with the process of getting it fixed, because I called up and the console tomb was at my house within 3 days.

[Alex]

Yup, mine crapped out just last week. Red rings o' death.


Right after I rented CAC:3, too.



They must have plenty of experience dealing with the process of getting it fixed, because I called up and the console tomb was at my house within 3 days.

Im getting mine back tomorow, yay!
But i bought a ps2 for 30 bucks and have to beat final fantasy 12. Sad Panda.

[Gibbering Fool]

This thread makes me so nostalgic for early high school. From 1997 to 2000 I was a dedicated N64 owner. It seemed so natural back then that if you owned a N64 you had to dislike the Playstation. My friends and I, all dedicated N64 lovers, would have constant debates (translation - arguments) with PS1 owners.

They say the 64 didn't have enough games, and we'd argue we had better quality games compared to their quantity. We'd argue four players was better than two players and they'd retort they could buy an adaptor if they wanted. They'd argue N64's controllers were dumb and we'd agree that the design was flawed but it was a whole lot more comfortable and revolutionary than the PS1's.

Of course both systems had great points, we were being immature. N64 had awesome games like Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Mario 64 and Mario Kart while Playstation had classics like Soul Calibre, Metal Gear, Tekken and Resident Evil.

I grew out of that immaturity years ago and now own a Wii, Xbox 360 and a ps2, aswell as a computer. Best of all worlds baby.

[StreetFighterRyu]

lol I never debated like that. (ok I lied)

To be painfully honest ('cause I assume there were alot of Nintendo fans back then) I thought the PS1 was better. The N64 was awsome. But still thought the PS1 was better. Too bad SNES was the best. lol:p Ahh man. Kriby was the **** in SNES.


But i bought a ps2 for 30 bucks and have to beat final fantasy 12. Sad Panda.

PS2 for 30 bucks??

[Black Atom]

Man, that was the worst era in gaming for me. I didn't like the PS1 or the N64 and had a total of maybe 10 games for both. Imported Saturn FTW.

[Nate Grey]

Man, that was the worst era in gaming for me. I didn't like the PS1 or the N64 and had a total of maybe 10 games for both. Imported Saturn FTW.

Man, tell them about some Dracula X! I STILL play that from time to time! :cool:

[Thorlief]

oh, I adored that era. Jumping from 2D to 3D with Mario 64 was a moment to remember, and had a helluva time with my N64: Banjo Kazooie, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Conker, ISS 98, Perfect Dark..Rare was still Rare, not the travesty its become today

[Nate Grey]

Weird, I only wanted a N64 for Killer Instinct Gold and Goldeneye. Nothing else on that apealed to me. Though I did like swinging Bowser around by his tail on Mario 64.

[StoneGold]

Weird, I only wanted a N64 for Killer Instinct Gold and Goldeneye. Nothing else on that apealed to me. Though I did like swinging Bowser around by his tail on Mario 64.

Worth it for the WWF games alone. Sigh, why do all WWF games suck since they stopped making them for the N64? It's not like the graphics were top notch - clipping like a mofo. But it had the deepest/easiest to play grappling system ever. And don't say Firepro, because that may have been deeper, but damned if it wasn't confusing.

[Nate Grey]

I remember playing some Wrestling game with my friends way back in 1998 on the regular PS1. You could create your own wrestlers.

But before that, the only wrestling game I played was this arcade game that had Big Boss Man in it. WWF Superstars I think.

[Black Atom]

Man, tell them about some Dracula X! I STILL play that from time to time! :cool:

Same here. I still play Radiant Silvergun all the time, too.

Just...thank god for Pokemon and GBC during that era.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

One of my biggest reasons for loving the N64 was a game that my parents picked up simply because it was the only other thing on the shelf besides Mario 64.

Pilotwings 64!

The graphics may look 'teh suck' nowadays, but back then nothing beat flying around Little States with the jetpack. Watching the space shuttle launch, finding the sea monster roaming around the dam, landing on an oil-rig...


Then coming back with the Gyro-copter, and terrorizing Mario Rushmore, and all those poor cruise ships.

[StoneGold]

I remember playing some Wrestling game with my friends way back in 1998 on the regular PS1. You could create your own wrestlers.

But before that, the only wrestling game I played was this arcade game that had Big Boss Man in it. WWF Superstars I think.

That could be one of several. It could even be WCW vs. the World, which was basically an early version of the AKI WWF games, but on PS1 and with the WCW wrestlers. And I'm an idiot, the first couple N64 AKI games were WCW ones: WCW vs. NWO World Tour and WCW vs. NWO Revenge.


I have a feeling you are probably thinking of either WWF Warzone or WWF Attitude by Acclaim, though. Which were both really good efforts, especially in terms of presentation. I believe they were both the first to include actual theme music, sound bytes from the actual wrestlers, and facial mapping from the real wrestlers, and that was multiplatform. And they had some of the first Create an Avatar modes in a console game that actually made a difference. Really, in many ways, the Acclaim WWF games were revolutionary. But the controls weren't quite as amazing as the AKI games.

[Gargus]

If you want to be a fanboy thats fine but do it in a way that makes sense. Be a fanboy of a genre of games, a developer, a gameing series or something that has to do with the games.

Just blindly spouting "oh ps3 sucks because sony sucks cause they did this, this and that with the console" is just plain dumb, no real gamer anti any system, they love all the because without them they would have nothing to play games on.

[Nate Grey]

That could be one of several. It could even be WCW vs. the World, which was basically an early version of the AKI WWF games, but on PS1 and with the WCW wrestlers. And I'm an idiot, the first couple N64 AKI games were WCW ones: WCW vs. NWO World Tour and WCW vs. NWO Revenge.


I have a feeling you are probably thinking of either WWF Warzone or WWF Attitude by Acclaim, though. Which were both really good efforts, especially in terms of presentation. I believe they were both the first to include actual theme music, sound bytes from the actual wrestlers, and facial mapping from the real wrestlers, and that was multiplatform. And they had some of the first Create an Avatar modes in a console game that actually made a difference. Really, in many ways, the Acclaim WWF games were revolutionary. But the controls weren't quite as amazing as the AKI games.

I had to do some YouTube surfing, but its Wrestlefest. Big Boss Man, the Road Warriors, Hulk Hogan, etc.

[Xero Kaiser]

no real gamer anti any system, they love all the because without them they would have nothing to play games on.

Nowhere is it it written that a gamer has to love any and every system, accessory or game that gets put in front of them.

[Thorlief]

I'm still wondering, actually, where Gargus sees all this anti-sony movement, at least in this board

[Sanagi]

I'm still wondering, actually, where Gargus sees all this anti-sony movement, at least in this board
Well, Sony gets plenty of criticism, but they've more than earned it.

[Thorlief]

Well, Sony gets plenty of criticism, but they've more than earned it.

so it's deserved, so its not anti sony

[Silliw 2]

Worth it for the WWF games alone. Sigh, why do all WWF games suck since they stopped making them for the N64? It's not like the graphics were top notch - clipping like a mofo. But it had the deepest/easiest to play grappling system ever. And don't say Firepro, because that may have been deeper, but damned if it wasn't confusing.

No Mercy FTW, man. I still play that game to this day.

[Alex]

PS2 for 30 bucks??

I work at blockbuster, we had an old, old, old rental piece back when we used to rent hardware that had been sitting in the bathroom for 3 years.

[StreetFighterRyu]

Worth it for the WWF games alone. Sigh, why do all WWF games suck since they stopped making them for the N64? It's not like the graphics were top notch - clipping like a mofo. But it had the deepest/easiest to play grappling system ever. And don't say Firepro, because that may have been deeper, but damned if it wasn't confusing.

It's not like Raw vs Smackdown 2007 was bad was it? It's an awsome wrestling game in my opinion. One of the only thing I don't like is you can't use your own soundtrack for your character.


I work at blockbuster, we had an old, old, old rental piece back when we used to rent hardware that had been sitting in the bathroom for 3 years.

Wow. lol And it still works?

[Silliw 2]

I work at blockbuster, we had an old, old, old rental piece back when we used to rent hardware that had been sitting in the bathroom for 3 years.

eeeew, your using an old poopy system?

[StoneGold]

It's not like Raw vs Smackdown 2007 was bad was it? It's an awsome wrestling game in my opinion. One of the only thing I don't like is you can't use your own soundtrack for your character.


Yes it was. The grapple system was total crap in comparison. Yes, the graphics are much nicer, but oddly, the create-a-wrestler system was no where near as deep. But it wasn't as deep as the ones from just a couple years ago, either. It's still running off what is basically the Smackdown game, which was always inferior.

[StreetFighterRyu]

Yes it was. The grapple system was total crap in comparison. Yes, the graphics are much nicer, but oddly, the create-a-wrestler system was no where near as deep. But it wasn't as deep as the ones from just a couple years ago, either. It's still running off what is basically the Smackdown game, which was always inferior.

I wasn't talking about the graphics. (Assuming you think so) I could care less. The reason for the grapple system is so you could perform more moves. That was about it. I didn't like it at first and it took me a while of getting used to it. Then finally I got the hang of it, and once again enjoy WWE.

[StoneGold]

I wasn't talking about the graphics. (Assuming you think so) I could care less. The reason for the grapple system is so you could perform more moves. That was about it. I didn't like it at first and it took me a while of getting used to it. Then finally I got the hang of it, and once again enjoy WWE.

Yes, more move than Smackdown. Which puts about on par, more or less, with the AKI system moveset, and yet without being so esoteric, or stiffly designed. True, you couldn't do some of the wacky stuff like the environmentals, but it's a pretty old game at this point. But the basic action was faster, more fluid, and more true to life than Yukes will ever get their games. Assuming Yukes stays with the same basic system.

Perhaps I would find it sucks less if I hadn't played the AKI games. But I have, and they are just plain better, even now.

[StreetFighterRyu]

I guess is a gamer thing. I don't know.:p

[StoneGold]

I guess is a gamer thing. I don't know.:p

Again, you really have to of played the earlier games to understand what I'm talking about. And this is something I've complained about every year since they said Raw on Xbox was going to be like No Mercy.

It was also the only game to ever really make the Irish whip work. You could do some wacky Mexican-style exchanges with all the leaping and ducking and bouncing.

[Alex]

Wow. lol And it still works?

Yep, without a hitch.

[Silliw 2]

Again, you really have to of played the earlier games to understand what I'm talking about. And this is something I've complained about every year since they said Raw on Xbox was going to be like No Mercy.

It was also the only game to ever really make the Irish whip work. You could do some wacky Mexican-style exchanges with all the leaping and ducking and bouncing.

This man speaks the truth. Smackdown games have always been inferior to the AKI games. Even when Yukes started making WWF games on the cube, they basically made them watered down Smackdown's.
Smackdown games are like the old WWf Arcade games from the early 90's. Fun, but not really great wreslting games.

Booting AKI was the worst thing that has ever happened to wrestling games.

[StreetFighterRyu]

I've played WWF Raw since N64. So I know what you're talking about. Again, I guess is a gamer thing because I like the new grapple system.

[Black Atom]

I worked at a Toys R Us and we'd be so overstocked with wrestling games that no one bought. We'd get at least 10 copies in every shipment and we never moved any. It was weird. I would always wonder who the hell was supposed to be buying those.

[StreetFighterRyu]

I worked at a Toys R Us and we'd be so overstocked with wrestling games that no one bought. We'd get at least 10 copies in every shipment and we never moved any. It was weird. I would always wonder who the hell was supposed to be buying those.

Not many people were fans of wrestling games.

[StoneGold]

I've played WWF Raw since N64. So I know what you're talking about. Again, I guess is a gamer thing because I like the new grapple system.

There were two games titled Raw, one for the Genesis/SNES/whatever else Acclaim ported it to, and one for Xbox. Not on N64, though.

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Booting AKI is the worst thing to happen to any fighting-type game they've worked on.


Look at the changeover between Def Jam: Vendetta and Fight For New York, over to Icon.


I knew the DJ series was screwed the moment I heard the tweeb from the EA studios start basically saying 'Gamers don't want the same mechanics they've enjoyed, and which made this series enormously successful. They don't want those mechanics refined to a new level of orgasmic goodness. No, they want us to get rid of AKI's formula, screw up everything, slow down the action, and add in mechanics that don't even work dependably. To the point where Genma, a guy who is the biggest DJ fanboy evar (yes, evar), couldn't stand playing for more than 10 minutes without feeling ill'.


Seriously, the pic of the guy GI interviewed had him in yoga/zen-like stance on a bean-bag chair. Combined with his wannabe artistic chatter, I knew they were about to depart from hardcore awesomeness to some kind of system that would hurt to play. It came to the point where I dreaded Icon's release...

Sure enough...

[StreetFighterRyu]

There were two games titled Raw, one for the Genesis/SNES/whatever else Acclaim ported it to, and one for Xbox. Not on N64, though.

There was a Raw for n64 unless I have the title wrong but looks similar Raw?

[StoneGold]

There was a Raw for n64 unless I have the title wrong but looks similar Raw?

Warzone, maybe? Warzone was the second half of Raw, back when they aired it like that. Had a sort of Mortal Kombat-ish control system. Amazing presentation for the time, and the first create-a-whatever that didn't suck. There was also WWF Attitude, which was the same thing, but improved, greatly.

[StreetFighterRyu]

Warzone, maybe? Warzone was the second half of Raw, back when they aired it like that. Had a sort of Mortal Kombat-ish control system. Amazing presentation for the time, and the first create-a-whatever that didn't suck. There was also WWF Attitude, which was the same thing, but improved, greatly.

I had Warzone first, then Attitude. Awsome games.

[The Zapper]

WWF No Mercy. Still the greatest wrestling game of all time.

[StoneGold]

I had Warzone first, then Attitude. Awsome games.

They had some amazing presentation, and decent gameplay. But like Zapper said, No Mercy reigns supreme. My dream game would be something with graphics and presentation of Raw vs. Smackdown, but the gameplay of No Mercy.


And the Create-A-Wrestler from... I'm thinking Smackdown: Just Bring It. The one that had Spider-Man in the game, and you could write on the clothing. Or maybe it was Here Comes the Pain. I forget, but they were way deeper than the current versions.

[Silliw 2]

Just a few months before No Mercy was released, AKI also released a Japan only game called "Virtual Pro Wrestling 2".

I don't know if you guys have heard of it, but according to many people on No Mercy forums (yes, there are sites dedicated to No Mercy), the gameplay was even better than No Mercy.

According to the research I garnered about the game ( I am officialy a nerd), it is lacking in gimmick matches and style, but has a more improved fighting system.

Check it out. Here's a wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Pro_Wrestling_2

[Jmacq1]

No Wrestling game will ever surpass the sublime glory of Pro Wrestling on the NES.

None.

And anybody who says otherwise deserves a suplex from King Slender!

"A Winner is You!"