Journeyman

[blackdragon6]

so who else is interested in the tv series.i got a chance to see the pilot episode on the net yesterday and thought it was pretty good.its kinda like quantum leap meets the dead zone...kinda.it also has the hottie moon whatshername from daybreak.

From wikipedia

Dan Vasser thought he had it all: a loving wife, a great son and a steady job. But life suddenly throws him a curve ball. Dan finds himself traveling into the past with a purpose — impacting people's lives for the better — and sometimes the worse. While doing so, Dan reconnects with Livia Beale, his ex-fiancée, whom he lost in a mysterious plane crash. Now armed with the knowledge of the present, will he be able to save her? What would that mean to his own future? And how would it change a man who thought he had it all?

from what i understand he's not the only one leaping through time,but i don't wanna give to much else away for those who haven't seen it yet..

[jwd]

Watched this one early. Along with Chuck and Bionic Woman. For laughs I thought Chuck was best. This though I think I liked the characterization and story setup more.

In a nutshell its kind of like Quantum Leap only without the body leaping. He just ends up in different times and sometimes doesn't even realize it at first. How isn't as important so much as the why.

This one he leaps back to save '87 a guy from splattering himself in front of a bus and then later to '97 to well have something else occur which was a cool twist I thought.

The setup they have with his wife, brother and former fiance I thought was interesting too.

Its in the post Heroes death-time slot but I hope it can last.

[Comic_Mobsta]

I saw the pilot on the net it looks ok.I liked the way it ended.Overdramatic but it was nice.

[Comic_Mobsta]

Wow how many threads are there??,Anywhoo like i said in the other thread i'll probably stick with this show for awhile.

[Sean Walsh]

I heard a review which said it was basically Quantum Leap again.

Only this time, it'd be great - and Kevin McKidd (LUCIUS VORENUS!!!) was the reason.

If I can remember, I'll give this one a shot.

[Chiasm]

Simply because Heroes is on first I'll probably give it try.

[Aggie]

i watched the pilot last night and was not impressed...it was too QL meets early edition and no where near as good as either...the writing is mediocre at best the plotting is unimaginative and the cast is just blah, though reed diamond and kevin mckidd could probably pass for brothers in real life...it just bored the crap out of me.

[StoneGold]

Too mundane for my taste. I'm guessing it's going to get a little wackier if the show progresses at all, but it's missing some oomf. That, and I kept wondering why no one was afraid he was developing schizophrenia or something. Because that would explain a lot of what was going on, at least from the outside.

Also, I kept being mildly irritated that 10 years of age could be passed off as "you look tired."

[Deathstroke]

Too mundane for my taste. I'm guessing it's going to get a little wackier if the show progresses at all, but it's missing some oomf. That, and I kept wondering why no one was afraid he was developing schizophrenia or something. Because that would explain a lot of what was going on, at least from the outside.

Also, I kept being mildly irritated that 10 years of age could be passed off as "you look tired."


I agree with you about the 10 years thing, that was annoying.

However, I loved the show as a whole. Really good pilot and I liked how they introduced a rather BIG twist to his own leaping right off the bat. The ending was the melodramatic part of the show, but I think it worked.

Me, I'm definitely interested in checking this out.

[Chiasm]

Overall very good first episode. I think I actually liked it better than the Heroes premiere. I'll definitely keep watching and cross my fingers that this doesn't get cancelled.

I love the whole Livia twist with her somehow still being alive and a time traveler too. Its totally wrong though that one guy can have two such totally hot women in his life.

[JadeDragon]

Overall very good first episode. I think I actually liked it better than the Heroes premiere. I'll definitely keep watching and cross my fingers that this doesn't get cancelled.

I love the whole Livia twist with her somehow still being alive and a time traveler too. Its totally wrong though that one guy can have two such totally hot women in his life.

I have to agree with you. I was so pumped to see my favorite series HEROES come back....but I think since its not NEW any more we are all much harder to impress this time around.

We kept watching Journeyman afterwards. I didnt expect much. Noticed right away the Quantum Leap similarity. But ya know what? I watched the whole thing and I Absolutely LOVED it!

I was much more impressed by this new show than the newest episode of Heroes.

Let my stoning begin. ;)

[Shades0077]

So does this mean all of Rome was just one of his jumps back in time?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

So does this mean all of Rome was just one of his jumps back in time?probably...

[hulahulk]

I watched it. It was okay. Olivia is freaking HOT! I'm probably not going to keep up with this show, even though it is on after Heroes.

They did well in not revealing too much about the background of the time travel thing. Seeing Olivia alive and going through the same thing he did was good.

[mattbib]

Yeah...didn't plan on watching this, but really enjoyed it.

[jwd]

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I've read reports a big factor in a shows success is determined by how much of its lead-in the show can retain. It retained 77% of the Heroes audience in the 1st 1/2 hour and 65% in the 2nd 1/2 hour.

Anyone remember how Studio 60 and the Black Donnelly's did last year ratings wise?

[SPAfreak]

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/newsletters/proginsider/index.jsp

I've read reports a big factor in a shows success is determined by how much of its lead-in the show can retain. It retained 77% of the Heroes audience in the 1st 1/2 hour and 65% in the 2nd 1/2 hour.

Anyone remember how Studio 60 and the Black Donnelly's did last year ratings wise?

Not nearly that well. The shows generally had a different core audience from Heroes. They were both strange choices to put after the show whereas Journeyman is a perfect choice. It could survive due entirely to audience holdover.

The show's big twist actually reminded me of BBC's Primeval to be quite honest. Of course that show didn't take itself quite as seriously as Journeyman obviously does so we'll see how it pans out.

[Justin D.]

I didn't think I'd like the show although I usually am a sucker for time travel stories, but this one looked boring from the previews. I watched most of this and dug what I saw. However, because I was flipping back and forth, I didn't see anything about his dead wife also being a time traveler. How was that revealed?

I like the fact that he convinced his wife he wasn't crazy in the first episode so there's not a whole season of having to convince her or hide his trips from her.

[jwd]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=monday

Looking at this report though Journeyman was down 26% from Studio 60's start last year. That's not good. :(

[SPAfreak]

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=monday

Looking at this report though Journeyman was down 26% from Studio 60's start last year. That's not good. :(

Studio 60 was one of the most hyped shows last year and the critics' darling. Don't worry just yet.

[Tom]

I usually avoid network television like the plague but I just had to tune in to see Lucius Vorenus attempt an American accent (which he mangled, by the way). Color me shocked that I got sucked right in. It all seemed pretty standard but I literally sat up a little straighter when he ran into his dead ex in the hallway. Suddenly the story got a lot more intriguing. Two other things going for it right off the bat is that his wife believes him, thereby avoiding what could be a very tired convention, and the other thing is that these characters seem to have a backstory as intriguing as the main plot.

[Toonimator]

I didn't think I'd like the show although I usually am a sucker for time travel stories, but this one looked boring from the previews. I watched most of this and dug what I saw. However, because I was flipping back and forth, I didn't see anything about his dead wife also being a time traveler. How was that revealed?

I like the fact that he convinced his wife he wasn't crazy in the first episode so there's not a whole season of having to convince her or hide his trips from her.
In '97, he leaves Olivia in their apartment and is confronted by her again out in the hall. He's puzzling over how she beat him out into the hall when the door starts opening behind him and Olivia tells him to quickly follow her... as the Olivia he just left in the apartment steps out. He realizes this 'new' Olivia he's following is probably on the same trip he is, and he mentions how her body was never found in the plane wreck, and asks if she ever even got on it. She skips all that and asks why he's there in '97, he mentions the Gaines family, she says "good, stay with it. Follow you instincts" or something, he says "what if I mess up?" "That's part of it too." Can't remember if anything more was really said. When she first confronts him in the hall, she says something like "It IS you."

Anyway, great followup to Heroes, though the lead's passing resemblance to Anthony Michael Hall makes the Dead Zone vibes act up more than the Quantum Leap vibes. They could have Hall guest-star as a cousin if they wanted :D But overall enjoyable, I liked the players, liked the premise, and liked how he literally just vanishes from wherever he's at... even if driving his car!

I hope it fares better than those other two time-travel shows from a few years back, the "Butterfly Effect" one and the guy reliving high school in 1980 or whatever. This one seems like it'll have an element of the 'Effect' one in that he'll be torn about changing his own life, but hopefully the quick introduction of Olivia as another traveler will keep the "Tell her not to get on the plane" aspect from dominating the personal plotlines.

[jwd]

Studio 60 was one of the most hyped shows last year and the critics' darling. Don't worry just yet.

Yeah I know. It got a big media push, all the critics were praising it and it got cancelled. Journeyman's reviews have been mixed and its starting at a lower point ratings wise than Studio 60 did.

I have enough shows that I'm not gonna be that bothered if they get cancelled. :)

[Tazirai]

I agree with you about the 10 years thing, that was annoying.

However, I loved the show as a whole. Really good pilot and I liked how they introduced a rather BIG twist to his own leaping right off the bat. The ending was the melodramatic part of the show, but I think it worked.

Me, I'm definitely interested in checking this out.

I must say I loved this revamp/new take on Quantum Leap. The edning and the plot twist was fantastic. The dude on the old school cellphone.. brought back memories. That show is gonna be a fav of mine while it lasts.

You know NBC....:(

[Tazirai]

I didn't think I'd like the show although I usually am a sucker for time travel stories, but this one looked boring from the previews. I watched most of this and dug what I saw. However, because I was flipping back and forth, I didn't see anything about his dead wife also being a time traveler. How was that revealed?

I like the fact that he convinced his wife he wasn't crazy in the first episode so there's not a whole season of having to convince her or hide his trips from her.


I like that the ended the drama of him being a nut early. I can't take a show where the woman is ALWAYS talking about leaving the husband.. and how she can't take being lied to and all that crap. So that gave it a leg up.

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratings.aspx?id=monday

Looking at this report though Journeyman was down 26% from Studio 60's start last year. That's not good. :(


Don't worry at all. Journeyman will be a word of mouth show. It'll be one of those shows that people who saw it will tell their friends and so on.

[Gilda Dent]

It isn't bad as Good Samaritan shows go, in this case the time travel sub category (Voyagers, Quantum Leap, Early Edition).

Two things I liked about it a lot were that he tells people what's happening right off the bat, and finds a way to get his wife to believe, thus eliminating the two most tiresome aspects of shows like these.

I'll probably give it a few more episodes as a tryout.

[Deathstroke]

I can't wait for the explanation as to why Livia is a traveler and why she's never gone back to present day like our hero does.

[Gilda Dent]

I can't wait for the explanation as to why Livia is a traveler and why she's never gone back to present day like our hero does.

My guess is that her "present" is the day she was supposed to get on the plane, and she was plucked out of time at that moment to be a helper for whoever is running things.

With time travel, there wouldn't be just one objective "present day"; it's going to be subjective and thus different for each person depending on where they begin their time travel in the overall timeline.

[Enigmanaut]

I really enjoyed Journeyman. It was a decent story with a well balanced mix of light and dark. I'll be watching.

If I found myself in his predicament, though, I'd not only start sleeping fully dressed, I'd create and "Emergency Time Travel" kit with a bunch of helpful stuff in it.

[mattx110]

I really enjoyed Journeyman. It was a decent story with a well balanced mix of light and dark. I'll be watching.

If I found myself in his predicament, though, I'd not only start sleeping fully dressed, I'd create and "Emergency Time Travel" kit with a bunch of helpful stuff in it.

mine would include handcuff keys of every western country from every decade, and a sonic screwdriver keychain. never know when you'll get arrested for getting timewarped while drunk into a crowded public street in 1950s holland. or wanna geek out and pretend you're a timelord.

[ultramandingo]

........only saw the first 15 minutes or so , all the crazy cgi jaming of san francisco "icons" into every other shot cracked me up ( most likely shot in la or toronto). like doing a new york show with the statue of liberty allways in the background

[StoneGold]

I don't know. From the first episode,it feels like Quantum Leap, but with all the fun stuff removed.

[Rik Levins]

It isn't bad as Good Samaritan shows go, in this case the time travel sub category (Voyagers, Quantum Leap, Early Edition).

I quite enjoyed the show. I've always loved time travel stories.

But I do find myself a little put out by the mixture of (presumably) science-fiction elements and Divine Intervention in shows like this one. I'd rather see the hero randomly jumping through time and helping people when he can, just because he's a good guy, while mainly concentrating on trying to help himself and cope/figure out what's causing his situation. Rather than being specifically assigned by an unknown Higher Power, each episode, to save a specific Person In Need.

(Yes, I know I'm making an assumption that his time jaunts are science fiction, when in fact they could have a purely supernatural/Divine cause. It just FEELS like sf to me.)



Two things I liked about it a lot were that he tells people what's happening right off the bat, and finds a way to get his wife to believe, thus eliminating the two most tiresome aspects of shows like these.

I'll probably give it a few more episodes as a tryout.

Agreed, I thought his method of convincing his wife about the reality of his timehopping was very well done.

I also am somewhat bemused by the fact that the LAST show in which I saw the beautiful Moon Bloodgood also involved time travel. Hope the quick cancellation of Daybreak isn't a bad omen for this show.

[Deathstroke]

I


I also am somewhat bemused by the fact that the LAST show in which I saw the beautiful Moon Bloodgood also involved time travel. Hope the quick cancellation of Daybreak isn't a bad omen for this show.


And considering how I thought Daybreak was one of the best shows of last season, you can imagine how disappointed I would be.

[mattx110]

And considering how I thought Daybreak was one of the best shows of last season, you can imagine how disappointed I would be.

i wish i watched it when i had the chance, it's so up my alley.

[Davideaux]

I enjoyed it. I am intrigued as to why his Olivia is now a time-traveller too. Obviously I want to know why he is one now too.

Before finding out she was a time-traveller, I thought Dan would have had to choose whether to warn Olivia about the accident and therefore save her life; and thus by saving her life, possibly terminate his future marriage and child. Sadly, all of that was bypassed by the revelation that Olivia was a time traveller too.

I love seeing Reed Diamond again. Shout out to Homicide.

[Jinxer]

........only saw the first 15 minutes or so , all the crazy cgi jaming of san francisco "icons" into every other shot cracked me up ( most likely shot in la or toronto). like doing a new york show with the statue of liberty allways in the background

I dunno. If you've never been to San Francisco, that's exactly how you think it'd look. The Trans-America building in every other shot was a bit much, but I live there when I'm not as school so I noticed it. I thought it was neat that they used the retro-cable cars that still run up and down Market Street, they used Ghiradelli Square, Union Square. Some bits were patently not San Francisco like the scene in China Town where there is space outside to sit and eat... that never happens.

I like the show. I was a big Quantum Leap fan as a kid and this just brings me back. There area lot of really neat things about the show like constantly making nods to things from the eras he visits. The guy with the brick cell phone giving the squirly eye to the headset was priceless. If it doesn't get canceled it can count me as a regular viewer.

[Gilda Dent]

I quite enjoyed the show. I've always loved time travel stories.

But I do find myself a little put out by the mixture of (presumably) science-fiction elements and Divine Intervention in shows like this one. I'd rather see the hero randomly jumping through time and helping people when he can, just because he's a good guy, while mainly concentrating on trying to help himself and cope/figure out what's causing his situation. Rather than being specifically assigned by an unknown Higher Power, each episode, to save a specific Person In Need.

Good Samaritan shows, divine intervention subcategory: Highway to Heaven, Touched by an Angel, Joan of Arcadia.

The implied divine guidance aspect of some of the science fiction versions helps create a narrative shortcut for the writers. It explains how the people in need of help are chosen. After all, if humans are making these choices, why pick small, personal areas, individual lives in which to intervene? Divine intervention explains this--God cares about everyone and "works in mysterious ways".

Voyagers is the only show of this sort that I've seen that doesn't rely on some sort of implied divine guidance--the time travelers, or at least the adult, work for an agency that patrols time ensuring that the correct timeline is preserved. I wish they had it available on DVD. I wore out my VHS tapes a long time ago, and only have about half the episodes.

[mattx110]

Good Samaritan shows, divine intervention subcategory: Highway to Heaven, Touched by an Angel, Joan of Arcadia.

The implied divine guidance aspect of some of the science fiction versions helps create a narrative shortcut for the writers. It explains how the people in need of help are chosen. After all, if humans are making these choices, why pick small, personal areas, individual lives in which to intervene? Divine intervention explains this--God cares about everyone and "works in mysterious ways".

Voyagers is the only show of this sort that I've seen that doesn't rely on some sort of implied divine guidance--the time travelers, or at least the adult, work for an agency that patrols time ensuring that the correct timeline is preserved. I wish they had it available on DVD. I wore out my VHS tapes a long time ago, and only have about half the episodes.
there's a show that's on at like 1 or 2 AM about a time travel agency that goes back and prevents things like presidential assassinations and major stuff like that. i've only seen it once, and about half an episode.

[kalorama]

I don't know. From the first episode,it feels like Quantum Leap, but with all the fun stuff removed.

That was my exact reaction/expectation, word for word, when I first heard about the show. And it held true for pretty much the entire pilot. I was actually ready to turn it off about halfway through (right at the point where, for some reason, neither his landlady or fiancée in 1997 seemed to have noticed that he'd aged 10 years) when the one moment of real drama interest occurred, and we found out that his presumed dead girlfriend is also, apparently, a time traveler. That was intriguing for a second or two, before it went back to being predictable.

[Donald M.]

there's a show that's on at like 1 or 2 AM about a time travel agency that goes back and prevents things like presidential assassinations and major stuff like that. i've only seen it once, and about half an episode.

That's probably Seven Days, a UPN show that was about a government agency with a time machine that could send someone back . . . you know.

[Chiasm]

That was my exact reaction/expectation, word for word, when I first heard about the show. And it held true for pretty much the entire pilot. I was actually ready to turn it off about halfway through (right at the point where, for some reason, neither his landlady or fiancée in 1997 seemed to have noticed that he'd aged 10 years) when the one moment of real drama interest occurred, and we found out that his presumed dead girlfriend is also, apparently, a time traveler. That was intriguing for a second or two, before it went back to being predictable.

Ok, but realistically what are they most likely to think:

1) OMG, you look tired (translation: you look like crap)

or

2) OMG, you must be from the future because you look old and haggard today

Some people change a lot in ten years some don't. I'm ten pounds heavier than I was ten years ago but thats the only real significant change for me. So I really don't have a big problem with this.

[Tazirai]

And considering how I thought Daybreak was one of the best shows of last season, you can imagine how disappointed I would be.

Daybreak WAS a damn good show... I swear networks give these shows ZERO, time to grow nowadays.

[Chiasm]

The 2nd episode was very good as well. Please, please, please don't let this series be cancelled.

[blackdragon6]

Daybreak WAS a damn good show....i'm still bitter over that...

[Chiasm]

My Spoiler laden summary of tonights episode:

Dan has an MRI. Afterwards Dan and Katie are on a plane to take a romantic getaway to possibly get pregnant again. On the plane Dan leaps back in the past to the 70's and helps a woman deliver a baby on the plane. Meanwhile the airlines are freaking out about how someone disappeared off a plane. Dan reappears in the airport and he tries to explain it away by saying he stepped off the plane just before takeoff. A reporter is on the case though and apparently has security footage showing that Dan never left the plane. Dan and Katie's marriage is getting strained by his disappearing, they fight, and they decide to wait on having another kid. Dan and Katie are now also on the no fly list and at the end of the episode take a road trip instead of flying.

As to the rest of the time jumping, Dan jumps back again and meets the woman whose baby he delivered. Her daughter never met her father but now wants to and Dan convinces Mom to tell the daughter about her father. Next jump Dan helps convince the daughter to actually go through with meeting her father. The father though is a jerk and blows her off. Next jump Dan learns that the father is dying of leukemia and needs a bone marrow transplant. He convinces the daughter to see if she is a donor match. While there Dan meets another hospital patient named something I forget. Finally back in real time Dan looks up the daughter and meets her again - she makes the obvious you haven't changed a bit comment and then tells him she wasn't a match for her father and he died. But she was a match for someone else, the guy Dan met, and that guy is now flying rescue aid mission in Darfur, Sudan.

Lastly in his jumps Dan meets up with time jumping Livia who makes it obvious she still loves Dan. She also seems to be unaware of exactly what is going on and why. She also is unaware that Dan ended up marrying Katie whom Livia is obviously friends with since at the time Katie was dating Dan's brother. And Dan's brother makes a past appearance as well since at one point in the past Dan tries to pay a cab driver with a current day $20.00 bill and the cab driver thinks its counterfeit and calls the police and its Dan's brother who responds.

[Chiasm]

i'm still bitter over that...

I think Daybreaks failure was as much about timing as anything. I'm as much as fault as anyone in why I didn't watch it.

I recall seeing the previews and thinking - thats a really cool sounding show. But at the time I was already invested in a lot of other shows and just didn't want to make room for another. Granted Lost wasn't airing so I had room but because Lost was coming back I knew eventually it would be another hour of TV I'd have to squeeze into an already crowded TV viewing schedule.

If Journeyman had started mid November I'd probably have skipped it too. But when I got hooked on Journeyman last week only Prison Break and Heroes of my shows had started so there was room.

[kalorama]

Ok, but realistically what are they most likely to think:

1) OMG, you look tired (translation: you look like crap)

or

2) OMG, you must be from the future because you look old and haggard today



Which perfectly underscores my point. They had absolutely no reaction (or even recognition) at all. Obviously they wouldn't have concluded he was from the future, that's just silly. But you think there would have been some recognition, acknowledgment that he looked ten years older since the last time they saw him, whatever they attributed it to. Nobody goes 10 years without any visible signs of aging or physical change.

[mattx110]

Which perfectly underscores my point. They had absolutely no reaction (or even recognition) at all. Obviously they wouldn't have concluded he was from the future, that's just silly. But you think there would have been some recognition, acknowledgment that he looked ten years older since the last time they saw him, whatever they attributed it to. Nobody goes 10 years without any visible signs of aging or physical change.

well, someone said "you look exactly the same"... but so far, he's only met the people he's dealing wiht like 3 or 4 times over the course of a decade or 2, i wouldn't really remember what he looked like exactly enough to notice he doesn't age. well maybe i would, but there's a decent chance i wouldn't.

[kalorama]

well, someone said "you look exactly the same"... but so far, he's only met the people he's dealing wiht like 3 or 4 times over the course of a decade or 2, i wouldn't really remember what he looked like exactly enough to notice he doesn't age.

I think it's a safe bet he'd have seen his brother and live-in girlfriend/fiancee more often than "3 or 4 times over the course of a decade or 2" and that they'd notice the difference.

[mattx110]

I think it's a safe bet he'd have seen his brother and live-in girlfriend/fiancee more often than "3 or 4 times over the course of a decade or 2" and that they'd notice the difference.

well, he ages well? maybe it should find dimly lit places when meeting family from now on.

[sschroeder]

I felt the second episode was solid.

But I'll have to see how long Livia, if that is indeed Livia, doling out some useful common sense advice, but no real information, plays well.

[Toonimator]

I'm guessing the 'counterfeit $20' will eventually turn up again, as a way for Dan's brother to finally buy into the whole thing. He probably idly wondered about it when the 'new twenties' were introduced, remembering an old counterfeit case as a beat cop, but hasn't yet made the connection to his brother's tales of time travel.

[blackdragon6]

I'm guessing the 'counterfeit $20' will eventually turn up again, as a way for Dan's brother to finally buy into the whole thing. He probably idly wondered about it when the 'new twenties' were introduced, remembering an old counterfeit case as a beat cop, but hasn't yet made the connection to his brother's tales of time travel.thats a interesting point.

[Jinxer]

Which perfectly underscores my point. They had absolutely no reaction (or even recognition) at all. Obviously they wouldn't have concluded he was from the future, that's just silly. But you think there would have been some recognition, acknowledgment that he looked ten years older since the last time they saw him, whatever they attributed it to. Nobody goes 10 years without any visible signs of aging or physical change.

I dunno. If I go back in time the last thing I would ever expect anyone to say is, 'OMG you look EXACTLY 10 years older!'

Honestly, the 'you look hagard' really is the only 'reasonable' response to seeing someone from the future who looks older. Also, let's assume that the guy's 40-45. There really isn't that much aging to be done between 35-45 because by around 20 all the major things are already done changing: height, bone structure etc.

Now if he was grotesquely obese in his youth and not in the future or vis versa then I would understand your point, but he's not. He only looks marginally different from when he did back then.

Also, if he really looked that different from his past self people would just think he's not the same person and the issue would be solved that way.

Because seriously, what rational person would go, 'oh you've aged several years since yesterday.'

[mattx110]

I dunno. If I go back in time the last thing I would ever expect anyone to say is, 'OMG you look EXACTLY 10 years older!'

Honestly, the 'you look hagard' really is the only 'reasonable' response to seeing someone from the future who looks older. Also, let's assume that the guy's 40-45. There really isn't that much aging to be done between 35-45 because by around 20 all the major things are already done changing: height, bone structure etc.

Now if he was grotesquely obese in his youth and not in the future or vis versa then I would understand your point, but he's not. He only looks marginally different from when he did back then.

Also, if he really looked that different from his past self people would just think he's not the same person and the issue would be solved that way.

Because seriously, what rational person would go, 'oh you've aged several years since yesterday.'
i guess that's why they took a non-american and set the show in america... in a country where doctor who is a major export, they general public would see right through him.

[comicaze]

Yes, Moon Bloodgood was also in the recent time travel drama Daybreak...but, on this show, she's been upgraded from clueless girlfriend to actual time traveler. :) So far, we've only seen her as the much sexier Al to Dan's Sam (from Quantum Leap). But, is that all she is? Maybe she's not just a tour guide for time travelers, but on her own missions. That would explain why she was surprised to see him in the hallway when they first met in the past.

Gretchen Egolf as Dan's present-day wife does a good job as the realistically put-upon spouse and makes an interesting counterpoint to Livia. It will be interesting to see how Dan ended up with his brother's girlfriend after his fiancee died. It had to have happened pretty soon after, for them to have an 8 (?) year old son. Maybe he's just imagining these trips to escape all the stress at home. :)

So far, both shows have had those "unintended consequences" type plots (where he thought he was there to save one person and it was actually someone else). Both were well done, but I hope we get a bit more variety starting with tonight's episode. Sounds like it's an either/or story.

[Typo Lad]

I usually avoid network television like the plague but I just had to tune in to see Lucius Vorenus attempt an American accent (which he mangled, by the way). Color me shocked that I got sucked right in. It all seemed pretty standard but I literally sat up a little straighter when he ran into his dead ex in the hallway. Suddenly the story got a lot more intriguing. Two other things going for it right off the bat is that his wife believes him, thereby avoiding what could be a very tired convention, and the other thing is that these characters seem to have a backstory as intriguing as the main plot.

I was going to ignore this, but if you like it, I'm checking it out.

Not sarcasm.

[Pixie_Solanas]

One of the worst shows of the new season. Particularly hilarious to SF residents who know there's no such house in all of the city that looks like his house (side yard? What's a side yard? Houses are crammed right next to each othere here). And if there was, no newspaper reporter would ever be able to afford it, that's for sure.

[Typo Lad]

One of the worst shows of the new season.

I dunno, it'd have to be as bad or nealy as bad as Flash Gordon, and that'd be impressive.

[DigitalCAPS]

I watch anything and everything TIME TRAVEL. Period. When I first heard about this show, my first thought was "after all the campaigning we did to bring back Quantum Leap... why didn't they just DO THAT?" And it appears they have, only they left Sam and Al somewhen else. Shoot.
I like Journeyman, though. It's driving my wife crazy HOW he's doing it, but I could care less. If he's not a scientist it will just be some dumb mental thing. I heard it rumored somewhere that he and Liv were implanted by aliens :eek: But that is not a spolier or anything... just a rumor I heard from no one important, lol. Hope they don't cancel it. It's NBC + I like it = it probably will be :evilangry Especially if Littlefield is still at NBC. Is he?

[Chiasm]

Tonights episode was in some ways the weakest of the three episodes so far but it was still good. And through implication they answered a lot of the things we had been wondering about.

It was also nice to see a straight forward save someone story. The guy he appeared to go back to save was the guy he was meant to save.

[Chiasm]

One of the worst shows of the new season.

Then your saying you have seen them all so you can accurately say this?

For me its the best new show of the season. Then again its the only new show I'm watching so its not like its a hard achievement in my little corner of the world.

Unless you have far more time on your hands than most people I think a more accurate statement from you is "I don't like the show."

[Tazirai]

Then your saying you have seen them all so you can accurately say this?

For me its the best new show of the season. Then again its the only new show I'm watching so its not like its a hard achievement in my little corner of the world.

Unless you have far more time on your hands than most people I think a more accurate statement from you is "I don't like the show."

Same for me also, It's one of the Best of the new season. This season has some strong shows. But If I like it that means it'll get canceled.

:( :(

[blackdragon6]

But If I like it that means it'll get canceled.

:( :(ain't that the truth,the stuff i like don't seem to be liked by everyday people for whatever reason.:confused:

[Chiasm]

I predicted Heroes would be cancelled by late October last year. I'm hoping I'm just as wrong about this.

[Tazirai]

I predicted Heroes would be cancelled by late October last year. I'm hoping I'm just as wrong about this.

I'm hoping you are to ^^

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

I predicted Heroes would be cancelled by late October last year.as did i,but i'm still doubtful that the show will have a lengthy run.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

ain't that the truth,the stuff i like don't seem to be liked by everyday people for whatever reason.:confused:i'm almost certain its because casual tv viewers are primarily into straight forward by the book tv dramas,and comedies.anything outside of that is too much for them to get invested in.

[Loren]

Crackers. I didn't want to commit to three hours of TV on Mondays, but doggone it if Journeyman hasn't hooked me. Maybe it's my old love for Quantum Leap (one of the first series I faithfully followed), but I've found myself rather enjoying the show.

And speaking of Quantum Leap, the creator of Journeyman confirmed over on his NBC blog that Dan can only "travel" within his own lifetime, which goes back to the early '70s. He also adds a hint at a spoiler (http://blog.nbc.com/journeyman/2007/09/time_periods_the_show_will_cov.php) that I won't quote here.

Unfortunately, it appears that the show is losing about a third of "Heroes" audience. If this spurs NBC to act anytime soon, I hope that their decision is simply to move it to another night, rather than put it on hiatus.

[xnef1025]

Crackers. I didn't want to commit to three hours of TV on Mondays, but doggone it if Journeyman hasn't hooked me. Maybe it's my old love for Quantum Leap (one of the first series I faithfully followed), but I've found myself rather enjoying the show.

And speaking of Quantum Leap, the creator of Journeyman confirmed over on his NBC blog that Dan can only "travel" within his own lifetime, which goes back to the early '70s. He also adds a hint at a spoiler (http://blog.nbc.com/journeyman/2007/09/time_periods_the_show_will_cov.php) that I won't quote here.

Unfortunately, it appears that the show is losing about a third of "Heroes" audience. If this spurs NBC to act anytime soon, I hope that their decision is simply to move it to another night, rather than put it on hiatus.
1/3 of the audience is leaving. Is that still better hold over percentage wise than Studio 60 or The Black Donnelys?

[Tazirai]

1/3 of the audience is leaving. Is that still better hold over percentage wise than Studio 60 or The Black Donnelys?

The problem with NBC's timeslot is they arent looking at the comp on Monday night. CSI is a BEAST. Same slot as Journeyman..It's an old titan, up against a new comer. They really should have considered the timeslot better.

I mean as a Producer there no WAY you can't know which shows, your current shows will be facing. So you would need to plan accordingly and give as much promo as possible. We heard about Bionic Woman damn near most of the year.

Even I'll admit, the journeyman commercials were lackluster. I wasn't interested at all. I DVR'ed it 3 weeks ago, not knowing what was on after Heroes. I loved it since.

But NBC needs to take factors into account, If not ship it to SCI-FI, they could use some good shows.

[LtMarvel]

One of the worst shows of the new season. Particularly hilarious to SF residents who know there's no such house in all of the city that looks like his house (side yard? What's a side yard? Houses are crammed right next to each othere here). And if there was, no newspaper reporter would ever be able to afford it, that's for sure.
Oh wait, his wife is an ex TV reporter. So there!
And the home was a fixer upper!

Actually, I wonder about your claim; three major cities and their suburbs make up the Bay area...couldn't there be a beat up old home with a modest yard somewhere in the Bay area?

On the other hand, they introduced a new character flaw, gambling addiction, to our hero.

And yet everyone was thinking drugs in the pilot's intervention scene.

I like the revelations in this episode: about Olivia, Olivia finding out about the new spouse, and the new spouse's (much foreshadowed) finding about Olivia.

"Well dear, it turns out she is my mentor in this 'traveling' as she calls it. I get to have about a 40 second conversation with her some of the times I travel. Last time she told me that she was a traveler until we were a couple and then right after she disappeared off that plane before it crashed.

"And yeah, I was desperate for some cash and clothes, so I stole from my old apartment a couple times..."

Dumb question: why not bring in the brother on the traveling. Our hero
proved it to his wife easily enough. And she immediately became a huge help.

[Adriel]

The brother just seems not to like him for some reason...

I wonder why...

Oh yeah!

Maybe Dan stole his girlfriend and married her?

Although I must admit that we don't know the whole story of that, though.

[Pixie_Solanas]

Oh wait, his wife is an ex TV reporter. So there!
And the home was a fixer upper!

Actually, I wonder about your claim; three major cities and their suburbs make up the Bay area...couldn't there be a beat up old home with a modest yard somewhere in the Bay area?

On the other hand, they introduced a new character flaw, gambling addiction, to our hero.

And yet everyone was thinking drugs in the pilot's intervention scene.

I like the revelations in this episode: about Olivia, Olivia finding out about the new spouse, and the new spouse's (much foreshadowed) finding about Olivia.

"Well dear, it turns out she is my mentor in this 'traveling' as she calls it. I get to have about a 40 second conversation with her some of the times I travel. Last time she told me that she was a traveler until we were a couple and then right after she disappeared off that plane before it crashed.

"And yeah, I was desperate for some cash and clothes, so I stole from my old apartment a couple times..."

Dumb question: why not bring in the brother on the traveling. Our hero
proved it to his wife easily enough. And she immediately became a huge help.


Granted, he could be from a suburb, but the character has already clearly indicated he lives in San Francisco.

[Toonimator]

I just look at it as the latest in a string of SF-set shows with completely unrealistic-for-SF houses. Full House, Charmed, etc. Doesn't ruin the show at all for me.

I think the brother will eventually be brought into it, if the 'new twenty' bit from last week is referenced again. The switch from the pilot's "Dan's on drugs" to this ep's "Dan's gambling" didn't sit all that well, but maybe his behavior in the pilot was more like someone with substance abuse than gambling, so everyone assumed he'd traded one addiction for another... can't recall.

My biggest problem with the show is that NBC's thinking of cutting it. NOTHING they put on at 10 will pull in the numbers they're looking for. You've got a CSI--easy viewing for just about anyone--up against it, for starters. Rather than try out a bunch of different shows there, stick with one that fits well enough to hold the same kinda audience. I loved Studio 60, but didn't catch it every week partly because it was such a change from Heroes, but I was watching it more & more as the season progressed. I never even gave the Black Donnelys a shot though. Even though it was such a different flavor than Heroes, I'd rather they stuck with it. It would've built an audience eventually. Since that didn't happen, I hope they'll stick with Journeyman. A bit of sci-fi heroics isn't a bad follow-up at all, screw the numbers. Find another timeslot to battle over. Just make Journeyman the best it can be and hope it builds over time, not just flail about trying a dozen different types of shows in the slot hoping for an instant hit.

[ultramandingo]

.......in the 1st episode they showed a nice unobstructed view of down town sf (?!?) from the front yard of his spacious two story house . bwah!

[Chiasm]

The problem with NBC's timeslot is they arent looking at the comp on Monday night. CSI is a BEAST. Same slot as Journeyman..It's an old titan, up against a new comer. They really should have considered the timeslot better.

I mean as a Producer there no WAY you can't know which shows, your current shows will be facing. So you would need to plan accordingly and give as much promo as possible. We heard about Bionic Woman damn near most of the year.

Even I'll admit, the journeyman commercials were lackluster. I wasn't interested at all. I DVR'ed it 3 weeks ago, not knowing what was on after Heroes. I loved it since.

But NBC needs to take factors into account, If not ship it to SCI-FI, they could use some good shows.

Hopefully they'll just accept that its never going to do great ratings because of the competition and be thankful for what they've got. This is why Supernatural is still on the air for a 3rd season. It was in the single most killer time slot on Network TV going up against the original CSI and Grey's Anatomy and its ratings reflected that. But the CW execs looked at the quality of the show, the devotion of the fans, and realized they weren't going to be able to put up anything in the time slot that would do any better and have the kind of fanbase Supernatural has built.

[John Hays]

Granted, he could be from a suburb, but the character has already clearly indicated he lives in San Francisco.

I tell people I live in Dallas when I really live in McKinney, a smaller city on the outskirts. Most people recognize the Dallas name right off.

I'm really loving this show! Solid acting!

[Chiasm]

In the better than nothing news department, NBC has announced its ordered three new scripts of four of its shows and one of them is this one. NBC hasn't given the full season go ahead to anything yet so Journeyman being one of the four it has given partial go ahead too is hopeful news.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=3394a9e7-1ad9-4ce7-a653-6670d10ece44

[xnef1025]

In the better than nothing news department, NBC has announced its ordered three new scripts of four of its shows and one of them is this one. NBC hasn't given the full season go ahead to anything yet so Journeyman being one of the four it has given partial go ahead too is hopeful news.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=3394a9e7-1ad9-4ce7-a653-6670d10ece44
Well that's good news. Maybe NBC is finally just accepting that nothing can beat the CSI machine, even if it is the mentally retarded red headed Shatneresque stepchild version.

Anyway, tonights ep was good. Katie is still pissed what with the Livia situation. With Dan's trips getting harder and harder for her to deal with, it's allowing big brother more and more into his ex-girlfriend's life. This part of story I could do without. There's a reason the Quantum Leap people erased Sam's memories of his wife. Angst is only entertaining for so long.

As for this week's person to help, between West on Heroes and this lady's boyfriend, NBC's stance on stalkers is kinda weird. Apparently sometimes stalkers are just concerned guys who really love you, who knew?

The important thing of course though was the phone call from the tachyon expert from 2007 on the old cell phone in 1998. OMG WTF BBQ!? moment right there. Please don't cancel until we get some answers at least ok, NBC?

[Tazirai]

In the better than nothing news department, NBC has announced its ordered three new scripts of four of its shows and one of them is this one. NBC hasn't given the full season go ahead to anything yet so Journeyman being one of the four it has given partial go ahead too is hopeful news.

http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=3394a9e7-1ad9-4ce7-a653-6670d10ece44

That is definitely, a good bit of news.

[LtMarvel]

So they dropped the what are the people I saved doing today segment.

Romance in the coat closet is a fun change from the norm.

I loved the phone call. And disappearing behind his brother's back.

[Jinxer]

So they dropped the what are the people I saved doing today segment.

Romance in the coat closet is a fun change from the norm.

I loved the phone call. And disappearing behind his brother's back.

I miss the 'what are they up to now' bits. Seriously, if I was a time traveller doing that stuff, I'd love to look up the people I helped just to make sure they're really ok.

I'm still waiting for his wife to sleep with his brother. It's coming, you know it, you so know it.

I'm also kinda curious about this NASA guy who has made contact, obviously it's the crux of his time slipping but as long he's some kind of anomaly and not part of the Journeyman Corps or some stupid crap like that it's gonna be awesome.

[KenK]

I miss the 'what are they up to now' bits. Seriously, if I was a time traveller doing that stuff, I'd love to look up the people I helped just to make sure they're really ok.

I'm still waiting for his wife to sleep with his brother. It's coming, you know it, you so know it.

I'm also kinda curious about this NASA guy who has made contact, obviously it's the crux of his time slipping but as long he's some kind of anomaly and not part of the Journeyman Corps or some stupid crap like that it's gonna be awesome.

It's definitely the most intruiging development thus far. Not to mention the reveal that Olivia had been making time jumps before she even met Dan. Hopefully NBC orders the "back nine", so we can get the bigger picture.

[mattbib]

Yeah....I'm really enjoying this show. The characters are great, the stories interesting...a good mix of mystery, drama and even humor.

[Tom]

I'm still enjoying the show but last night revealed some cracks in the setup.

All Dan had to do was ask one reporter about tachyons and that gets him in contact with a mysterious scientist who not only has ties to Dan's father but also appears to have something to do with Dan's traveling. That's a bit much to take.

Also, in order to keep the dramatic tension high, the characters all have to do stupid things. Dan needs to strap his ex in a chair and make her tell him what she knows instead of having these half-assed conversations with her. He also needs to sit his wife down and tell her everything that's going on instead of letting her believe the worst. And why not bring the brother in on this? Tell him what's happening and figure out a way to prove it to him the same way he proved it to his wife. And apparently next week he's out in public with his son, knowing that he could disappear at any time? How stupid is that?

[KenK]

Also, in order to keep the dramatic tension high, the characters all have to do stupid things. Dan needs to strap his ex in a chair and make her tell him what she knows instead of having these half-assed conversations with her.

But I don't think that's a logical way for him to respond. If Olivia were just some random person, yeah, I could see Dan just being as forceful as possible in trying to get information. But this is a woman he loved, and thought was dead for the last ten years. There're a lot of emotions that he's dealing with, and while he does want to get to the bottom of things, part of him is comforted that she never really died, but conflicted in the fact that he's confronting her, being married to another woman. Bottom line, he's not thinking straight, and furthermore, when he jumps, his top priority should be helping the people he's sent to help.

He also needs to sit his wife down and tell her everything that's going on instead of letting her believe the worst.

It's irrelevant. His wife will still blame him for the time jumping, despite the fact that it's completely beyond his control. She barely even believes what he's told her up to this point.

And why not bring the brother in on this? Tell him what's happening and figure out a way to prove it to him the same way he proved it to his wife.

His relationship with his brother isn't the best. It doesn't help that he's married to his brother's ex-girlfriend.

And apparently next week he's out in public with his son, knowing that he could disappear at any time? How stupid is that?

I think the wife was there, too, and she just went off to do something else while Dan was with their son.

[Tom]

But I don't think that's a logical way for him to respond. If Olivia were just some random person, yeah, I could see Dan just being as forceful as possible in trying to get information. But this is a woman he loved, and thought was dead for the last ten years. There're a lot of emotions that he's dealing with, and while he does want to get to the bottom of things, part of him is comforted that she never really died, but conflicted in the fact that he's confronting her, being married to another woman. Bottom line, he's not thinking straight, and furthermore, when he jumps, his top priority should be helping the people he's sent to help. Why? Why should that be his top priority? If you want to talk logical reactions, then we're looking at a "What the HELL is going on with me?!" kinda reaction and he hasn't had that. Not yet, anyway.

It's irrelevant. His wife will still blame him for the time jumping, despite the fact that it's completely beyond his control. She barely even believes what he's told her up to this point. Even if that were true, that doesn't explain why he's stringing her along when his marriage is in danger. He clearly wants to fight to keep her but won't actually sit her down and come clean with her.

His relationship with his brother isn't the best. It doesn't help that he's married to his brother's ex-girlfriend. Right. And now his brother's under the impression that he's mistreating his wife somehow. All the more reason to bring him in.

I think the wife was there, too, and she just went off to do something else while Dan was with their son.Still doesn't strike me as a particularly bright thing to do.

[Tazirai]

I think the goal of the first series of shows is to highlight the tension of him and his wife.
She annoys the hell out of me. Blaming him for things beyond his control. I wish just once, these types of shows, would have a woman in the opposite roles. Just to see what the dynamic with her husband would be.

As it stands, it seems like all the women in a superheroes life, are just...whats the word? They all seem to nag consistently, never believe their other, constantly with the guilt trips, play the blame game, jealous.. grr boils me blood I tellz ya.

[comicaze]

Wow, I can't believe the new curves Monday's episode threw out there didn't generate some discussion! We met Dan and Jack's dad (a photojournalist at the same paper in the '70s who eventually left the family) when Dan needed information about the "story" he was working on, 7 year old Zach saw Dan disappear and was fine with the"magic", and Dan met with the Prof. who knew his dad.

Anybody else wondering if Dan and Jack's dad is also a time traveller (because they didn't say why he left the family and just left it mysterious), or if either the dad or the prof. is the unseen "assignment editor" who chooses Dan's "journeys"?

Also, the gun that Dan had at Katie's soiree is thought to link him to a liquor store hold-up that the police are investigating, Dan received a nice stash of old cash that should help in his "journeys", and Katie asked Dan if he and his ex-fiancee were lovers "in the other time zone" (which led him to ask if she thought that would free her up to sleep with Jack in the present).

With all the relationship stuff they still need to completely sort out for us and the mystery of Dan's time travel, it seems like there would be already too much without Dan's "stories". Is that good, because it keeps us interested, or bad, because it seems like too much is going on?

Oh and, speaking of the relationship stuff, we might have gotten a hint as to one of the reasons Jack and Katie didn't end up together...seems he didn't want kids at the time (but does now, with some "Fertile Myrtle").

And, I didn't even mention the D.B. Cooper-ish Vietnam War Vet Dan was trying to help save a family from Cambodia, the fact that the paper is in trouble, that Dan stopped his dad from covering an assassination attempt on President Ford, or that everything is easier to solve with a computer and a search engine.:)

[Toonimator]

A LOT happened in that episode. Crazy. I didn't like the son's reaction at the end... the beginning of the conversation was fine, but by the time he revealed the "magic" bit he seemed like a very depressed kid.

I wonder if the delay Dan caused for his father changed anything? The money is a double-edged sword. He called it his 'fun money' or something, and it WILL help out on his trips, but if his brother finds out they're throwing money around, or sees Dan carrying a couple stacks, suspicions will rise. They ALMOST explained it all to Jack, but of course that's being saved for a more dramatic moment in an episode focusing more on all of that than Dan's relationship with his son (and hopefully that episode will reference the modern-day $20 Jack got from that cabbie in the 90s!)

[comicaze]

A LOT happened in that episode. Crazy. I didn't like the son's reaction at the end... the beginning of the conversation was fine, but by the time he revealed the "magic" bit he seemed like a very depressed kid.

I didn't see Zach's reaction as "depressed". I guess I just accepted it as a seven year old's reaction to something he can't explain.

I wonder if the delay Dan caused for his father changed anything?

Yeah, I kinda got that vibe too. Sorta like the Quantum Leap JFK episode where Sam saved Jackie O. from being shot in Dallas and Al told him that didn't happen in the original history. Maybe Dan saved his dad from being injured too.

The money is a double-edged sword. He called it his 'fun money' or something, and it WILL help out on his trips, but if his brother finds out they're throwing money around, or sees Dan carrying a couple stacks, suspicions will rise.

The way I understood it was that was money Dan got during his "journey" in the past, and would be exclusively used when he goes back before the new bills were printed (so as not to stand out).

[Toonimator]

"Depressed" may've been a poor word choice... he just seemed MISERABLE as the conversation went on.

I figured the cash would largely be used for his trips to the past, of course, but his reference to it being 'fun money' or whatever, and... can't recall what, but he gave his wife something, or said they'd go do something, and the impression I had was he was using that money for it (a very small portion, of course). So I just had the feeling they'd enjoy it a bit in small ways maybe, but it's chiefly his time-travel bank account.

[Chiasm]

That money will probably be found by the brother at some point and will be used against Dan in trying to show he was the liquor store robber.

Its pretty obvious at this point that they need to tell the brother whats going on. But doing that wouldn't serve drama wise because if they tell then the writers can't push Jack and Katie back together.

[Tazirai]

That money will probably be found by the brother at some point and will be used against Dan in trying to show he was the liquor store robber.

Its pretty obvious at this point that they need to tell the brother whats going on. But doing that wouldn't serve drama wise because if they tell then the writers can't push Jack and Katie back together.

Yup soon as I saw the jacket.. I knew what was going to happen.

[Justin D.]

That money will probably be found by the brother at some point and will be used against Dan in trying to show he was the liquor store robber.

Its pretty obvious at this point that they need to tell the brother whats going on. But doing that wouldn't serve drama wise because if they tell then the writers can't push Jack and Katie back together.

The only reason I can see for them not having told and shown the brother what's happening is that the brother is a jerk who may not believe them or could find some way to use it against them.

I wonder if naming a character Al Pratt a few episodes ago was a coincidence or an odd nod to the Golden Age Atom.

[kalorama]

I seem to recall at one point he did tell the brother what was happening (whether or not he bought it is another issue). In fact, in the "previously on" recap at tbeginning of the last episode, it shows the brother asking the wife if her husband "told you he saw Livvie."

[comicaze]

I wonder if naming a character Al Pratt a few episodes ago was a coincidence or an odd nod to the Golden Age Atom.

Well, I must have missed that. But, I'm thinking someone with the show is a comic fan because one other minor character in an earlier episode was named Billy Marvel (possibly for Billy Batson/Captain Marvel).

As for Jack, now we know that his jerk-ish behavior was always with Dan and Katie's best interest in mind...even when she ended up on his doorstep with "cold feet" and could have taken advantage. However, about the "journeys", we're not sure that Katie is completely on board yet and Jack (thinking like a cop) will be harder to convince.

Did Dan "cure" someone who could have helped him understand his "journeys"? That's what I got from his present-day interview with the bomber, who seemed to understand him when he confronted him in the past. Or was the bomber (in the past) just talking crazy or is he covering for Dan in the present? He even mentioned the shoes in the present that he thought were a clue to Dan's time-traveling in the past.

We also got a couple of other ripples from Dan's adventures: the ignition trouble with Jack's car could be traced back to his "borrowing" it and starting it with Livia's hairpin, and there was no serial bomber to do a follow-up story on since Dan stopped him.

Dan also got on surveilance video in the past when he foiled the bomb attempt, so that may be used as evidence to prove to detective Jack that Dan's story (which he didn't believe in the pilot) is true. Actually, Dan's leaving a pretty big "footprint" in the past. I'm sure that will probably come back to bite him in the not-too-distant future.

Why is Katie keping her wanting to go back to work a secret? I know she and Dan didn't have a ton of time together this episode, but using Hugh to dip her toe back into those waters just made me wonder why she wouldn't talk to Dan first. Duh, Hugh and Dan work together. I understand that her brunch was used for suspense for the audience ("Was she going to see Jack?"), but I guess we'll wait and see where that goes...especially her admission on the audition tape.

His "journeys" seem to be bringing him back home lately...with his dad last week, Jack this week, and himself next week. It can be a little like "time-travelling for therapy" while giving the audience a glimpse into his own convoluted history. :)

All in all, still entertaining and intriguing enough to have me tuning in. Hope they don't solve all his mysteries too soon.

[Typo Lad]

Man, Jack is a dick

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

Man, Jack is a dickfor the lack of better words

[Gilda Dent]

Man, Jack is a dick

To be fair to Jack, "My brother has gone back to compulsive gambling and all the self-destructive behaviors that go with it" is a more reasonable explanation than "My brother is a time traveler." Dan's wife covering for him is exactly the sort of thing codependent loved ones will do for those engaged in compulsively destructive behaviors.

So yeah, he's acting like a big jerk, but it isn't entirely without justification.

[Typo Lad]

But the compulsive gambling thing would not explain how he got that specific money. It's a stretch. Jack clearly wants his brother to be in trouble. You can see it in his every interaction. He wants to be the hero, to rescue his brother from hismelf and Katie from his brother.

[KenK]

To be fair to Jack, "My brother has gone back to compulsive gambling and all the self-destructive behaviors that go with it" is a more reasonable explanation than "My brother is a time traveler." Dan's wife covering for him is exactly the sort of thing codependent loved ones will do for those engaged in compulsively destructive behaviors.

So yeah, he's acting like a big jerk, but it isn't entirely without justification.

True, but the second the feds put any type of pressure on him, he was real quick to sell out Dan. You couldn't have stalled just a LITTLE bit more? Not even enough to confront Dan first, as the preview for next week's episode would imply that they get blindsided when the feds come to search the house.

[Typo Lad]

My DVR doesn't grab the "next week" stuff.

I bet someone searching the house will recognize him from the security footage of the bomb incident.

Oh, and anyone else think Langly is jerking him around? Especially after the kid's comment about Dan's shoes at the end of last week?

[Jamal]

But the compulsive gambling thing would not explain how he got that specific money. It's a stretch. Jack clearly wants his brother to be in trouble. You can see it in his every interaction. He wants to be the hero, to rescue his brother from hismelf and Katie from his brother.

I think he looks at Dan as the screw up brother that can't take care of himself and that his actions are going to lead to him leaving Katie just like their dad left them. He's even willing to sell out his brother in order to prove that he's right and maybe punish Dan for have the kind of life he wanted with Katie.

[IamtheRock3]

Man Jack really narc on the guy

Although there are a lot of traces of our timetravler in the pass. he hasnt exactly been smooth about it.

[Toonimator]

Hopefully the preview's not ENTIRELY misleading, as it shows the scene with the 'counterfeit' $20. Pretty good episode, though Dan's damn lucky he didn't cause a bigger ripple. Interesting that Liv popped to the present, right where she needed to go... so far Dan's return trips take him to random places, while his trips BACK take him where he needs to be. So where's she based, then, that she can pop in to help Dan at any time, then pop somewhere else to retrieve something? Is it something Dan'll eventually be able to do? Hopefully they'll explore that a bit!

[bert]

I really like this show (I was hoping I wouldn't as I had the first 5 eps DVRed simply because it's after Heroes, and that sometimes runs over).

but after watching them in a marathon last Saturday, I'm completely hooked.

and the utilization of the Verve's "Lucky Man" catapulted this into my top 5.

I hate the jerky brother. . he played a jerk on Homicide too, if I'm not mistaken. I guess he's just good at playing the jerk cop role.

good show.

[Infernorhythm]

I came in with last weeks episode and I'm hooked! This is easily the best show of the season, and it gets better and better. I really hope the strike doesn't affect it.

[LtMarvel]

The strike's going to affect all the shows, I'm afraid. Although the animated ones will be less impacted, due to the greater time needed between writing and production


My prediction: Jack's going to point out that his brother is a reporter, and that Jack ran a trace on the bill as a favor for his brother who presumably is on a story. All this because Jack is curious and Jack is backed into a corner.

And yes, they have proven to Jack that his brother is time traveling...

[Deathstroke]

I hate the jerky brother. . he played a jerk on Homicide too, if I'm not mistaken. I guess he's just good at playing the jerk cop role.

good show.

Yeah Reed Diamond was on Homicide as Mike Kellerman.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

i honestly thought all of the cops on homicide was jerks.but i'm probably projecting again :p.

[LtMarvel]

Wow, I liked almost all the detectives on Homicide, especially Diamonds' Mike Kellerman.

[Tazirai]

I came in with last weeks episode and I'm hooked! This is easily the best show of the season, and it gets better and better. I really hope the strike doesn't affect it.

I havent been posting here abotu the show lately.. but Monday's ep was a surefire winner.
nice little plot details kept the show nice. Dan's brother.. hope he gets hit by a bus or somethin.. I loathe that guy.

[Justin D.]

Man, Jack is a dick

That about sums him up. Does anyone really think the situation would've been better if he believed his brother about time traveling?

[Toonimator]

Sure it would've been better! He may have still reached out to Katie (ignoring his cute doctor girlfriend, which is silly to do) but he wouldn't have been up in Dan's face about all the mysterious absences. He'll find out soon, and hopefully have the decency to apologize for making their lives harder than they already are.

...however, that could suck all the conflict outta that part of the show, so Jack wouldn't be needed so much, or it'd accelerate the tension between Jack & Katie as he comes by more often to help out while Dan's away, etc. I'm looking forward to Liv taking another trip to the present, but actually speaking with Katie. Had Jack not barged in, I thought she might've tried this week. THAT should be interesting. Could be part of her tracking Dan... eventually she'll probably do that in the present, to throw another curve at him.

[Chiasm]

The one thing I'm not totally buying is Livia's angst over Dan. Its been NINE years since she left him. Yes she might have regret and still have rememberance of feelings for him but its been NINE years. She most likely has had other boyfriends since and has moved on in her life. But they are acting as if she just left yesterday . . . . . . unless she did just leave and she's still jumping around back around the time when she first disappeared. That would be an interesting twist.

[Enigmanaut]

The one thing I'm not totally buying is Livia's angst over Dan. Its been NINE years since she left him. Yes she might have regret and still have rememberance of feelings for him but its been NINE years. She most likely has had other boyfriends since and has moved on in her life. But they are acting as if she just left yesterday . . . . . . unless she did just leave and she's still jumping around back around the time when she first disappeared. That would be an interesting twist.

It's been nine years for Dan... are you sure it's nine for her?

[Chiasm]

It's been nine years for Dan... are you sure it's nine for her?

Thats what I said at the end. As I was typing what I was saying it came to me that it might not be that long for her.

[Chiasm]

This episode answered a lot of questions and opened some new ones. A lot actually happened.

Livia apparently is traveling from the past, 1948 specifically, on her journeys. Her time in the late 80's and 90's with Dan was an extended trip where she didn't go back to her own time as planned. This leads Dan and Katie to be concerned that Dan might end up staying in the past for an extended time like Livia did in the future.

Dan also meets up with the professor guy again who is again cryptic but implies that he knows whats happening to Dan.

The feds question Dan about the money. Later they get a search warrant. Katie pulls a fast on on the feds and hides the money in Dan's coat as she hands him the bag and coat as he's heading to work. They search the bag but not the coat.

In his trips back Dan and Livia end up at a swingers party where a teen girl walks in on her mom and some guy. The girl runs away and is never heard from again. Next trip back Dan meets the girl just before some serial killer is going to nab her but ends up sending her off with some hippies. Dan learns that the girl now ends up doing an armed robbery with them and being sentenced to life in prison. Next trip Dan arrives in the middle of the robbery and convinces the girl to walk away. He gives all the hijack money to the robbers to try and get them to walk away too but they don't and end up in a shootout with the cops. All the hijack money is found with them so I'm guessing that this will get Dan off the hook in the future but it wasn't dealt with yet.

During the fed investigation, the feds looked back on Jack's case history dealing with money and find the $20 bill that Jack got from the cabbie via Dan in the past and grill him on how a bill from the future ended up in the past. Jack shows some genuine remorse over narcing out Dan and is last seen getting drunk in a bar.

[Jamal]

This show been really good but I hope they don't wait till the last episode to explain what's going on. I kinda starting to wonder if both Dan and Livia are some sort of angels?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

solid episode last night,the best one so far.

[Toonimator]

During the fed investigation, the feds looked back on Jack's case history dealing with money and find the $20 bill that Jack got from the cabbie via Dan in the past and grill him on how a bill from the future ended up in the past.
Not quite! They assume that the evidence was tampered with. The case was originally put aside with the idea that the $20 was a prototype bill somehow leaked, but when the feds looked at it now, they assumed it must have been tampered with since a bill from 2004 being put into evidence in 1995 is impossible. So the feds are now suspicious of BOTH Vassar boys, especially since the description of the guy in '95 matches Dan.

[Infernorhythm]

This show is just the best on TV right now. Last night's episode was genius. Extended trips in the future for Dan? This isn't good...

[KenK]

This show is just the best on TV right now. Last night's episode was genius. Extended trips in the future for Dan? This isn't good...

You mean the past. Which definitely seems fairly more dangerous than Olivia staying in the future.

[Tom]

solid episode last night,the best one so far.

I agree. This show gets better and more engrossing with each episode. I love that the actual trips through time aren't as central to the story as the repercussions of those trips. I just hope that the whole thing doesn't collapse under mysteries and questions. The revelation about Livia was fascinating but it raises even more questions. Is she "currently" living in 1948, then?

[Tazirai]

I agree. This show gets better and more engrossing with each episode. I love that the actual trips through time aren't as central to the story as the repercussions of those trips. I just hope that the whole thing doesn't collapse under mysteries and questions. The revelation about Livia was fascinating but it raises even more questions. Is she "currently" living in 1948, then?

Agree. lets hope the idiots at NBC give this show a good chance. or at least give Sci-Fi the option of running it.

[IamtheRock3]

yea that shocked me

And why would she be needed to be in the future so most. Normaly these things you correcting pass things that went wrong. (least that Ziggy from Quatum leap theory :) )

and like that she being more helpfull now, and not just MS CRYPTIC


Dan need to be A LOT more carefull, These stuff started to get people attention. In the first few episode he been kind of willy nilly, getting caught on cameras in the past. Going to end up getting introduce to the men in black if he not carefull

The guy in the glasses interesting, no one brought him up. He didnt she shocked Dan just disapeared, and seem to know about Dan's gift

[Toreador]

I agree. This show gets better and more engrossing with each episode. I love that the actual trips through time aren't as central to the story as the repercussions of those trips. I just hope that the whole thing doesn't collapse under mysteries and questions. The revelation about Livia was fascinating but it raises even more questions. Is she "currently" living in 1948, then?

A better question would be is she still living in 2007 and where is she if she is still alive?

[LtMarvel]

Wow, am I the only one that thought Jack was spending a very specific $20 bill at the bar?

[Typo Lad]

The guy in the glasses interesting, no one brought him up. He didnt she shocked Dan just disapeared, and seem to know about Dan's gift

Langley? He's pretty obviously the cause of everything.

[Typo Lad]

Wow, am I the only one that thought Jack was spending a very specific $20 bill at the bar?
No. No you're not. In fact I'd be shocked if that wasn't it.

[Kevinroc]

Langley? He's pretty obviously the cause of everything.

I don't know if he is the "cause" of everything but he very clearly knows what is going on.

[Typo Lad]

I don't know if he is the "cause" of everything but he very clearly knows what is going on.
The guy's experimenting with time travel. He knew Dan's father. He's able to call Dan when he's in other times. He's old enough to have had contact with Livia in some form or another.

Add that to the comments about time-travellers and shoes made my the guy who thought Langley ripped him off, and it just seems blatant to me.

[Gilda Dent]

I agree. This show gets better and more engrossing with each episode. I love that the actual trips through time aren't as central to the story as the repercussions of those trips. I just hope that the whole thing doesn't collapse under mysteries and questions. The revelation about Livia was fascinating but it raises even more questions. Is she "currently" living in 1948, then?

That was my impression. It's possible she's become unstuck in time, like Sam Beckett, but I think we're meant to understand that in her "present" she's a law school student in 1948.

We also should keep in mind that just because she spent an extended amount of time in her future doesn't mean she was absent from her present in 1948 for the same amount of time. They've already established that time spent on a journey isn't the same as the amount of time one is absent from one's own present. If time absent can be greater than the duration of the trip, why can't it also be shorter? Especially if one is travelling in the opposite direction.

[Typo Lad]

She wasn't in law school in 48. She makes a point of saying she couldn't have done that back in the day.

[Gilda Dent]

She wasn't in law school in 48. She makes a point of saying she couldn't have done that back in the day.

Ah, I misunderstood. You are correct. She says in reference to changes made by 70's progressives like the girl they rescue, that she did what would have been much harder back then, go to law school.

I misheard that as meaning she went to law school back then, and it was much harder than it became after the changes of the women's movement.

She could have, actually. There were women in law school. Women, particularly Asian women, would have had a much more difficult time, but it was possible.

[Gilda Dent]

Ok, so checking the video replay closely, which gives close views of the three 20 dollar bills, we find that the one the cabbie is given is not the one in the evidence envelope. The bill used to pay the bartender is the same one that was in the evidence envelope.

So we know that the fed was right, that they had been switched at some point, and that Jack lifted the one the fed showed him.

[Toonimator]

I'm not so sure about that, I mean about the one from '95 not being the same as what's in the envelope. It COULD simply be a case of forgetting to keep the same $20 in the prop room for later episodes :)

I wasn't sure what to make of the end scene with Jack... him using that $20 makes sense, but I initially thought he was just staring at it yet STILL not making the connection, even after being reminded of what Dan told him the first time he took a trip. I'd like to give him more credit than that, so I'm glad the other theory turned up! Still not quite believing or trusting, but sticking his head on the chopping block to help his bro anyway.

[Typo Lad]

I'm not done with this weeks but

the second Zack said "my head hurts" my jaw literally dropped.

[Typo Lad]

Oh wow.

That's some good tension.

[Toonimator]

I really liked this. Sure, they did a "Finally so-and-so tells whozzit something important, but then time's changed and the conversation never happened" thing, but it's not like the conversation can't happen again (though I doubt it will next week, except maybe at the end), and it was nice to see Dan realizing it as it happened.

My biggest problem with the episode was the beginning. He rescues the kidnapped girl and instead of just going with the flow and handing her over to the cops, he gets a bad case of brain vomit and tries to explain to them, the 1992 cops, that "Back in 1992 blah blah, this is huge, you don't understand!" C'mon Dan, you've taken how many trips now? Get with the program! Stop thinking out loud to people that are gonna think you're batshit crazy.

After Livia's near run-in with Katie and Jack a couple weeks ago, I was wondering when she'd show up to say hi. The look on Jack's face... ha! Looking forward to it.

[blackdragon6]

My biggest problem with the episode was the beginning. He rescues the kidnapped girl and instead of just going with the flow and handing her over to the cops, he gets a bad case of brain vomit and tries to explain to them, the 1992 cops, that "Back in 1992 blah blah, this is huge, you don't understand!" C'mon Dan, you've taken how many trips now? Get with the program! Stop thinking out loud to people that are gonna think you're batshit crazy. this is his greatest fatal flaw...he needs to be more mindful of things like that.cause it always comes back to bite him in the ass in the future.

[Toonimator]

Hopefully the events of next week will drive that home, since the press badge didn't seem to.

Re: Zach's headache, I immediately thought "Oh shit!" but followed by "...nah, they just want us to THINK that... or rather, they want Katie & Dan to think that." I did consider the possibility, but thought about why that'd happen. Dan & Liv are moved around, like good ol' Sam Beckett for most of his run, by Forces Unknown. Why would they send a little kid to another time? He can't accomplish anything... unless the Forces Unknown are trying to teach Dan a lesson. "Mess with the past, we screw with your life even more! Now your kid's the next kidnap victim by that scumbag. Ha ha. Maybe now you'll follow the rules." But then Dan found him in the cabinet and all was well.

I'd like some more consistency on Dan's arrivals in the past. Sometimes he's in full control and wide awake, others he's flat on his back and acting like he's disoriented, just woke up, whatever. I liked the jogging transition at the beginning this week, but later on when he vanished from the dining room table, he popped into the past... jogging! Just looked around and kept on running. Felt odd.

[IamtheRock3]

pretty good

man Jack leaving bread crumbs of him all around. Not a smart time travel move

and yea the kid thing gave me a shock for a minut. Look like he in a bit of trouble.

nice that him and the girl working together as a team more

[Shades0077]

I'm not done with this weeks but

the second Zack said "my head hurts" my jaw literally dropped.

I was thinking the same thing when he said that. I was a little disappointed that it didn't happen.

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

this is his greatest fatal flaw...he needs to be more mindful of things like that.cause it always comes back to bite him in the ass in the future.his stupidity is just there for dramatic tension,and conflict.

[kalorama]

his stupidity is just there for dramatic tension,and conflict.


That's part of it (but then that's part of why almost every character in fiction does and says things they should really know better than to do or say). But in his case it also has to be recognized as a byproduct of a man being trapped in circumstances he doesn't fully understand and can't control. Livie accused him of "throwing out the rulebook" when he was going after the child molester, but the reality is that he hasn't gotten to the point where he understands there is a rulebook.

[Chiasm]

I just tonight watched last Monday's episode and I'm very confused. When did Dan tell Jack about the time traveling? I don't remember that happening at all. It feels like I missed an episode or something.

[Brian Cronin]

I just tonight watched last Monday's episode and I'm very confused. When did Dan tell Jack about the time traveling? I don't remember that happening at all. It feels like I missed an episode or something.

First or second episode.

Remember, it was Jack who told Katie about Livia.

-Brian

[blackdragon6]

this might be a cliche but tonight's episode was my fav......i keep saying that i know,but its true.i love this show.its a great alternative to prison break considering i kinda think season three is uninteresting (so far)

[rondre sleazde]

ooad their is only 1 episode left

[Chiasm]

Very very bad news concerning this show. Kristin Veitch over at E Online is reporting that Journeyman is most likely cancelled. She references the show in an article about how Chuck and Life have both been picked up for a full season if the strike ever ends but says Journeyman is most likely done forever.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=0564d113-7912-4e5e-ab48-19d3cd6f6cc5

[blackdragon6]

Very very bad news concerning this show. Kristin Veitch over at E Online is reporting that Journeyman is most likely cancelled. She references the show in an article about how Chuck and Life have both been picked up for a full season if the strike ever ends but says Journeyman is most likely done forever.

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=0564d113-7912-4e5e-ab48-19d3cd6f6cc5i'm trying to hold on to the belief that you shouldn't shoot the messenger.....:mad:

[the goddamn batman]

I'm glad Life is getting picked up, but Journeyman, while I enjoy it, I don't find it to be something I care about...

[Chiasm]

The frustrating thing to me about the probable cancellation is that this series is only getting better and in last nights episode they really delved into the underlying mythology of what's going on with Dan and Livia. It was made apparent by Livia that there are guiding forces behind their jumps and these forces get mad and retaliate if you deviate from their plans like Dan did last episode which is what led to the problems in this one. And it was intriguing that it appears Livia's lengthy jump back when she was with Dan was actually a mission where she would make it possible for Dan and Katie to get together. So many questions are opening up and we're not going to get answers.

[Toonimator]

Not to mention the Fed being a 'rogue' who is probably working with others who KNOW about time travelers... and their problems with money. "They always need money. It always trips them up."

Dammit. I hope they keep the show around. What the hell ELSE can the follow Heroes with?! NOTHING! They need a genre show, and this fits the bill. I love Heroes, I love Hiro (goofy as his story can get), I love time travel stories--even with all the problems they can have--so Journeyman is right up my alley. They finally made significant progress in this episode! Dan learns the consequences the hard way of doing what HE thinks is right, Jack finally believes the truth, and we get another piece or three of the puzzle of the time travel, to add to the scientist and all the rest.

[rondre sleazde]

They give that Life ad Chuck full season but not Chuck. What is really good?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

They give Life and Chuck full season but not journeyman. What is really good?
fixed it for ya..


life i kinda understand because its basically a cop show dressed up as a mystery.chuck otoh i'm very surprised by.bionic women's impending doom was telegraphed from the start (its just TOO over the top sci-fi for major network viewers).i'm however mildly shocked that journeyman is in danger.

[Gilda Dent]

Dang it. Chuck disappointed me. Never tried Life. Journeyman held my attention from the very beginning.

[LtMarvel]

You know what's in nearly every bank in the US?

Susan B Anthony dollars. Dated 1979. You can get them for a dollar apiece. $25 for a roll.

[IamtheRock3]

very good, nice twist. That was a good scene when Dan was ticked of at the kid and contemplating killing him. The actor pretty good


I surprise the killed the FBI agent, I mean more people going to ask question what he was doing there, and How Dan got involve with this killer

[Tazirai]

Dang it. Chuck disappointed me. Never tried Life. Journeyman held my attention from the very beginning.

same here.. I love that show and hope it's gets picked up by USA or SCi-FI. it would be a great lead in or after Dead Zone.

[Typo Lad]

Darnit. I hope this gets renewed. The last ep was edge of your seat good.

[Chiasm]

Don't know if Journeyman is just out of new episodes because of the strike or if tonight is another bad sign but NBC is putting Life on after Heroes.

[Typo Lad]

They start airing again December 10th. There are three episodes left.

[KittyPryde]

They start airing again December 10th. There are three episodes left.
But be warned: It's NOT 3 consecutive Mondays. Rather its Monday 12/10; then Monday 12/17; then WEDNESDAY 12/19 for the last episode in the can (and looking like the last episode forever, barring a miracle :evilangry ).

[Chiasm]

Read another possible nail in the coffin today over on EOnline in Watch with Kristin's spoiler chat. Someone wrote in claiming to be a friend of guy who works on the set of Journeyman. Says basically that those involved with the show don't expect to come back when the strike ends meaning the show is all but cancelled.

So basically this will mean that the new TV season is a complete wash for me as Journeyman is the only show I watched and stuck with. I tried Bionic Woman, I mean I really tried to like it, but I couldn't and quit it. I tried Moonlight and really wanted to like it but couldn't. And everything else was just utterly unappealing to me. The only thing keeping me from hating TV right now is that I've just in the last month discovered Dexter and had it become one of my favorite shows ever.

[KittyPryde]

Read another possible nail in the coffin today over on EOnline in Watch with Kristin's spoiler chat. Someone wrote in claiming to be a friend of guy who works on the set of Journeyman. Says basically that those involved with the show don't expect to come back when the strike ends meaning the show is all but cancelled.
DRAT! So much for NBC's claim about the last 3 episodes being a final chance for saving it all (with a total lack of promotion to go along with the final Wed night airing as well I'm sure).


So basically this will mean that the new TV season is a complete wash for me as Journeyman is the only show I watched and stuck with. I tried Bionic Woman, I mean I really tried to like it, but I couldn't and quit it. I tried Moonlight and really wanted to like it but couldn't. And everything else was just utterly unappealing to me. The only thing keeping me from hating TV right now is that I've just in the last month discovered Dexter and had it become one of my favorite shows ever.
I'm almost (but not quite) in your boat. I quit Bionic Woman as (to me) it felt like the producers' plan was: "Ooo! Let's modernize it! But we don't really have to pay attention to premise, plot, or casting....after all...It's the BIONIC WOMAN! That alone should be enough!"

I still like Moonlight alot though (and has gotten even better over the past 3 episodes now that the ex is back in the equation). I still watch Chuck too, but that's more for the cast than for the silly plot lines (although some of it is a bit humorous). But that's about it for me as far as the new season goes.

Journeyman was far & away my fave out of the new shows and I really felt that it was building the premise & plot very nicely with a good balance of now-life impact to go along with the jump-back stories. I'm really going to miss it when it's gone... :(

[SPAfreak]

Not to mention the Fed being a 'rogue' who is probably working with others who KNOW about time travelers... and their problems with money. "They always need money. It always trips them up."

I never understood why Dan never set up a small investment in the past. Nothing huge or earth-shattering, just a small fund for the future. At the very least he could have opened up a bank account in the past that he could draw from on his trips back.

I've also got to say that this show is much better when you watch it in big chunks. I watched the last four episodes this morning and was absolutely glued to the screen.

[Toonimator]

Dan never seems to have much time for that kinda thing... when he does have too much free time and wanders off, Livia pops in to try to put him back on track. But it'd be fun if he did, on a really long-distance trip (back in the 60s maybe) so it'll be of some use in his 80s & 90s trips... of course, it's use would be limited since a withdrawal in 1986 will overwrite his 1993 withdrawal from 2 episodes earlier, and screw up time. Could be a way to milk plotlines outta the show when it grows stale :p

...if NBC ever gets their heads outta their asses and gives it a chance to grow stale after a couple seasons. Nothing Will Bring In Big Numbers Monday At Ten. Maybe after football season. Maybe. But not likely, given how nothing did great there LAST season. I still miss Studio 60.

[Loren]

But it'd be fun if he did, on a really long-distance trip (back in the 60s maybe)

I don't think Dan can go to the '60s. He can only travel within his lifetime, and while I'm not sure how old Dan is supposed to be, the actor playing him was born in 1973. Dan would be 37 if he was born in 1970, and I'm not sure if he could be any older than that.

[Enigmanaut]

I don't think Dan can go to the '60s. He can only travel within his lifetime, and while I'm not sure how old Dan is supposed to be, the actor playing him was born in 1973. Dan would be 37 if he was born in 1970, and I'm not sure if he could be any older than that.

Do we know for a fact that the Quantum Leap "within his own lifetime" is accurate for this show? It was never said in dialogue.

[Toonimator]

For some reason I thought Dan was a bit older, and could've hopped to
the tail end of the 60s or something. Oh well, early 70s it is! And yes, I think one of the showrunners has stated that it's only within his lifetime, QL-style (but we all know QL got around that whenever it suited them, in the show AND the books, flukes though they were)

[comicaze]

Kevin McKidd (Dan Vasser of Journeyman) will be appearing on the Fox News Channel show Red Eye tonight (Saturday, 12/8 at 10 p.m. EST) presumably to promote the three upcoming episodes. I believe the show will repeat at 2 a.m. Sunday morning.

[IamtheRock3]

Do we know for a fact that the Quantum Leap "within his own lifetime" is accurate for this show? It was never said in dialogue.

well it doesnt work that way for the girl in reverse, where she can only travel forward in her lifetime

unless she REALLY old in the present

Sense now she look like she could pass for mid 30's. And she supsose to be from the 30's

[Gilda Dent]

Livia is from 1948 and appears to be about 30 years old. She "died" sometime in the mid 90's, or about 50 years after her present, but has jumped into 2007. She would thus potentially be about 80 at the time of her "death" and about 90 years old in Dan's present. It's reasonable to think she might still be around at that age.

I don't, however, think there is any "within one's lifetime" limitation. That was a Quantum Leap thing, something that somehow was tied into Sam's occupying the lives of other people, but really was just a narrative excuse to keep him in the recent past so that people didn't ask why he never went back to the 20's or 1800's.

[LtMarvel]

Yeah, I don't have a solution for Dan's money problems before 1979 lol.

(For 79 on, Dan should be carrying around a pocket full of Susan B Anthony's, which are still easy to get at your local bank for a dollar apiece)

[Chiasm]

:( :mad: Its been officially announced that Journeyman is cancelled. So barring a Jericholike revival the last two episodes are all we'll ever see. If we see them since there is apparently talk that they might not air next week as planned.

Dang, now this is two networks that I'm going to boycott new shows on in protest (The CW for cancelling Veronica Mars is the other). I'll stick with my old shows (Heroes on NBC and Supernatural on CW) but other than that I'm avoiding the rest out of principle.

[Typo Lad]

Well, darn.

I'd hope some other network pics it up, but it may be too much to hope.

[Chiasm]

Did find a slight silver lining. Apparently the shows producers expected the cancellation so they wrote the last two episodes in a way to give answers and give some closure.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/journeyman-spoi.html

They also say that there actually could be a 2nd season if the strike were to go on well into next year simply because there would be no new pilots and the networks would have to recycle existing shows.

[KenK]

Did find a slight silver lining. Apparently the shows producers expected the cancellation so they wrote the last two episodes in a way to give answers and give some closure.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2007/12/journeyman-spoi.html

They also say that there actually could be a 2nd season if the strike were to go on well into next year simply because there would be no new pilots and the networks would have to recycle existing shows.

Assuming the principle cast is still available. They might get snatched up by pre-existing shows, once the strike ends.

[Gilda Dent]

Well, darn.

I'd hope some other network pics it up, but it may be too much to hope.

I don't know. It seems a natural for Sci-Fi. It fits their theme, gives them a new original show with a built in audience, and they don't have to draw the numbers a network show does to stay in production.

[Tazirai]

I don't know. It seems a natural for Sci-Fi. It fits their theme, gives them a new original show with a built in audience, and they don't have to draw the numbers a network show does to stay in production.

I think on the USA network along with Dead Zone would be a better fit. Journeyman has a more mature theme, along Dead Zone lines.

[Mac Danny]

I admit I caught this show late, Caught up on the internet and now I am hooked.

Unfortunately the way NBC is treating it you would think it was written by Tim Minear.

I hope it finds a new home.

[Deathstroke]

This will make the second straight time travel show featuring Moon Bloodgood to die an early death.

[comicaze]

Oh no! I somehow taped over the first half of Monday's episode before I saw it and my connection's too slow to watch on the internet. What I saw (Dan uncovering an old lie to save the present of the paper, Katie having flashbacks to being held hostage and being comforted by Mrs. Vasser, Mrs. Vasser needling Katie about her odd switch of brothers midstream, Jack's girlfriend being pregnant, Jack proposing, Dan understanding why his dad had to leave which had nothing to do with time travel, and Livia alluding to her current love in the past) was great!

Can anybody catch me up on the party at Katie and Dan's? Was it just family or another fundraiser-type deal? Seemed pretty elaborate. What about Livia's love? In the exchange I caught, it sounds like they met him on this Journey...but she mentioned having to persuade him TV wasn't a fad? Is she living back in her old 1940's-ish present from whence she was plucked? Does she disappear on this guy like Dan does on Katie? How does she manage to look so "now" if she lives most of the time in the past? :)

[Chiasm]

Can anybody catch me up on the party at Katie and Dan's? Was it just family or another fundraiser-type deal? Seemed pretty elaborate. What about Livia's love? In the exchange I caught, it sounds like they met him on this Journey...but she mentioned having to persuade him TV wasn't a fad? Is she living back in her old 1940's-ish present from whence she was plucked? Does she disappear on this guy like Dan does on Katie? How does she manage to look so "now" if she lives most of the time in the past? :)

The party was just a Christmas get together. Katie really breaks down in it because she is flashing back and Dan is gone. Its actually Dan's mother who gives her strength telling her that she doesn't need a man to be strong. She's clearly referring to her own situation of how her husband left her. In the past Dan tries to persuade his father not to run out on his kids or to at the very least say goodbye before he does. In the end Dan ends up slightly changing the future because when he ask Jack about their father, Jack tells him how much better it made it that their father came home one night and told them that he had to leave but he loved them. As to Livia, her boyfriend in the past proposes to her and she says yes.

[Enigmanaut]

This will make the second straight time travel show featuring Moon Bloodgood to die an early death.

So, the lesson is, if you are going to make a Time Travel show, don't hire Moon Bloodgood.

[comicaze]

The party was just a Christmas get together. Katie really breaks down in it because she is flashing back and Dan is gone. Its actually Dan's mother who gives her strength telling her that she doesn't need a man to be strong. She's clearly referring to her own situation of how her husband left her. In the past Dan tries to persuade his father not to run out on his kids or to at the very least say goodbye before he does. In the end Dan ends up slightly changing the future because when he ask Jack about their father, Jack tells him how much better it made it that their father came home one night and told them that he had to leave but he loved them. As to Livia, her boyfriend in the past proposes to her and she says yes.

Thanks, Chiasm!

[Pauly T]

So, the lesson is, if you are going to make a Time Travel show, don't hire Moon Bloodgood.

But she's just so damn hot...

[KenK]

So, the lesson is, if you are going to make a Time Travel show, don't hire Moon Bloodgood.

Which is sad, because I'm a firm believer that Moon Bloodgood should be a part of everyone's TV viewing diet!!

[Tazirai]

So, the lesson is, if you are going to make a Time Travel show, don't hire Moon Bloodgood.

Basically..

[Typo Lad]

As tonight is the last ep, and secrets will be revealed, I was wondering if anyone had any theories.

[Enigmanaut]

As tonight is the last ep, and secrets will be revealed, I was wondering if anyone had any theories.

Well, in 1999, a physicist named Sam Beckett began project Quantum Leap...

[mattx110]

So I watched the second to last episode of this, and the last two of life.

Now that I like the shows... you will all never hear from them again. I'm really sorry.

But the Question as a wronged detective, and time traveller fighting to keep his family (without even worrying about all the f*cked up technology) are just good shows.

[Angelo2113]

It still had close to five million people watching it. I mean it's better than anything else on Monday nights at 9. Probably Monday Night Football is lowering the viewers. But once that's gone I'm sure the viewers would go back up. I hate when they cancel the series only at 13 episodes. At least do one more two-hour finale rather than just one episode. But if they don't bring it back I did like how they ended it though. Just wanted more.

[jwd]

Well not a great one but I suppose an overall satisfying conclusion. It'd be nice if another network or cable channel would pick this series up. USA needs something to fill the space left by cancelling Dead Zone and 4400. Lots of potential here.

[IamtheRock3]

I am not one to complain that much when shows get cancled, evne scifi ones


But this show got better each episode

It seem the be setting up a nice mytholgy

[Subotai]

How did people take it? It seemed to me he was leaving for good at the end.

[Typo Lad]

I don't agree Sub. I think he was just leaving again, but wanted Katie to see it, so he woke her up.

I found the ending itself to be sweet. I'm a bit unsatisfied in the sense that we won't get to see more, especially Jack's story arc, which I found fascinating.

For a little bit, I was concerned that Dan's solution was going to be to travel back and do what Evan did - make sure Katie can never be hurt by erasing their life together. I'm very glad they didn't go that rout.

[mattx110]

How did people take it? It seemed to me he was leaving for good at the end.
maybe if he didn't have a kid. I can't see him leaving the kid as much as he'd leave his wife to protect her kinda thing

[Subotai]

If it takes the bulls-eye off their backs, I think he'd leave both of them. Maybe set up a future with his brother replacing him. In the context of an entire season, he doesn't leave; but with this as the finale, I think it works better if he's gone forever.

[Gilda Dent]

I thought it was pretty clear that the point was that he isn't going to leave them. It's an extension of the same theme from the previous episode, where his resolve not to be like his father is reinforced.

[Subotai]

His father didn't have a bullseye on his back. He wouldn't leave them because he was being a dick; he would leave to protect them. Hell, only a couple of months in and he's already pissed someone off enough to wait years to shoot him. How many people will he have gunning for him in 10-15 years, as Evan did?

Again, in the context of a 22-episode season, in episode 13 he stays, but at this point in time a more satisfying and poignant ending to the series overall if he goes.

[Gilda Dent]

His father didn't have a bullseye on his back. He wouldn't leave them because he was being a dick; he would leave to protect them. Hell, only a couple of months in and he's already pissed someone off enough to wait years to shoot him. How many people will he have gunning for him in 10-15 years, as Evan did?

Again, in the context of a 22-episode season, in episode 13 he stays, but at this point in time a more satisfying and poignant ending to the series overall if he goes.

I disagree, but regardless of what we might think, the way it's portrayed in the show is that he's going to keep coming back to his family. The scenes with his father really emphasize this, for example his father says he left because he felt like a freak.

The whole point of this scene is to set up the parallel scene later on in which Dan essentially says he has to do this work because it's important, but he'll always come back because his family is important, too.

[The Punished]

I have been intrigued with this series just so hard to find time to watch it on Mondays, but there is always DVD collections, right?

I just wish Steve Perry would come back!

[40yearoldnovafan]

I was not happy Journeyman ended, but I do like how it ended "I'll keep the light on." It had closure, as opposed to just appearing as it was yanked off the air.

The one thing I did not like was that they did not announce that the final episode was going to show on Wednesday. So I found out on Thursday, looked for it on line and watched it. I'm in California and in my area, they did not show a preview for the last episode, and they did not say when it was showing. And the last thing I read on line was that they did not have space to show the last one.

You know how I discovered I had missed it? I went to TV guide.com and it showed it in a section called "what happened on tv last night." I was ticked.

It was a good episode. I do echo what many of you have said - the show was great! They will not find anything good to replace it. And I bet you a replacement show will be gone the following season. And the show after that will be gone also.

Journeyman was on at 10pm in my area. That is too late for a lot of people to watch. Many people are watching the news at that time. The network blew it. I guess this will be on my list of favorites with Firefly, as one of the shows canceled waaaaaaay too soon.

Jimmy

[Pauly T]

When Dan traveled back to when he first "leaped" I thought the Dec. 2007 Dan would stay back in Sept 2007 and just go home to be with his family. And when the original Sept 2007 Dan came home, he would see "himself" and stay away, so that Dan could continue traveling while at the same time his family would have never found out. That way, Dan could both "stay" and "go".

If this was truly the last episode, that's how they should have ended it, IMO.

[Chiasm]

I now find myself hoping the strike continues until summer. Because from what I've read, if the strike does go that long than the networks will have no choice but to recycle the existing shows including this one. I would imagine all the stars signed contracts so it wouldn't be an issue of not being able to get them to come back. This is the best new show I've found since Lost and I'm really going to miss it.

[Enigmanaut]

I now find myself hoping the strike continues until summer. Because from what I've read, if the strike does go that long than the networks will have no choice but to recycle the existing shows including this one. I would imagine all the stars signed contracts so it wouldn't be an issue of not being able to get them to come back. This is the best new show I've found since Lost and I'm really going to miss it.

By declining to pick up their option on the show, the network officially released the cast and crew to pursue other work. Their contracts are null now.

[hYPE]

I was not happy Journeyman ended, but I do like how it ended "I'll keep the light on." It had closure, as opposed to just appearing as it was yanked off the air.

The one thing I did not like was that they did not announce that the final episode was going to show on Wednesday. So I found out on Thursday, looked for it on line and watched it. I'm in California and in my area, they did not show a preview for the last episode, and they did not say when it was showing. And the last thing I read on line was that they did not have space to show the last one.

You know how I discovered I had missed it? I went to TV guide.com and it showed it in a section called "what happened on tv last night." I was ticked.

It was a good episode. I do echo what many of you have said - the show was great! They will not find anything good to replace it. And I bet you a replacement show will be gone the following season. And the show after that will be gone also.

Journeyman was on at 10pm in my area. That is too late for a lot of people to watch. Many people are watching the news at that time. The network blew it. I guess this will be on my list of favorites with Firefly, as one of the shows canceled waaaaaaay too soon.

Jimmy

Amen to that my friend. R.I.P Journeyman I loved this show so fucking much!!! Favorite show of all time!!!

[Infernorhythm]

I was not happy Journeyman ended, but I do like how it ended "I'll keep the light on." It had closure, as opposed to just appearing as it was yanked off the air.

The one thing I did not like was that they did not announce that the final episode was going to show on Wednesday. So I found out on Thursday, looked for it on line and watched it. I'm in California and in my area, they did not show a preview for the last episode, and they did not say when it was showing. And the last thing I read on line was that they did not have space to show the last one.

You know how I discovered I had missed it? I went to TV guide.com and it showed it in a section called "what happened on tv last night." I was ticked.

It was a good episode. I do echo what many of you have said - the show was great! They will not find anything good to replace it. And I bet you a replacement show will be gone the following season. And the show after that will be gone also.

Journeyman was on at 10pm in my area. That is too late for a lot of people to watch. Many people are watching the news at that time. The network blew it. I guess this will be on my list of favorites with Firefly, as one of the shows canceled waaaaaaay too soon.

Jimmy

Amen my friend. Journeyman goes down with Firefly and Traveler as some of the best shows ever made that were cancelled too soon.

[Tazirai]

I agree with the above poster.

[Enigmanaut]

I agree with the above poster.

I agree with the above poster's agreement with the poster above them.

[SPAfreak]

I agree with the above poster's agreement with the poster above them.

I disagree only because the show just felt like it was beginning to hit it's stride. The first few episodes felt bland and uneven but they had the potential to be something good. We were just beginning to see that potential towards the end. There were a lot of hiccups along the way though. Jack was just irritating for most of the show and once he got in on the secret Katie's sister and Jack's girl took over his annoying and overbearing role. Towards the end most of the bad was covered up by the continued revelations about Livia's life. That was very interesting.

But if the show ends with that last bittersweet moment between Katie and Dan I would be happy with it. It was nicely written and the look on both actors' faces was perfect.

[LtMarvel]

Hey, what's with all the Travelor love?

It was ok.., but that's about it (I'd rather they had aired all the Daybreak episodes instead).

[Infernorhythm]

Hey, what's with all the Travelor love?

It was ok.., but that's about it (I'd rather they had aired all the Daybreak episodes instead).

Traveler was an awesome show that got screwed over by ABC. They didn't advertise it or promote it. I've read the answers post from the show's creator on what was going to happen with the series and it honestly would have been the best show since Firefly.

Like Journeyman, it was a good show that got screwed over.

[kalorama]

How did Journeyman get screwed over? NBC gave it a shot. It wasn't shuffled around the schedule. There weren't huge gaps in the airings (at least prior to the strike). They gave it a fair chance to attract an audience and it didn't. It's unfortunate, but that's the way the business works.

[40yearoldnovafan]

How did Journeyman get screwed over? NBC gave it a shot. It wasn't shuffled around the schedule. There weren't huge gaps in the airings (at least prior to the strike). They gave it a fair chance to attract an audience and it didn't. It's unfortunate, but that's the way the business works.

I don't know if I said it was screwed over. However, I did point out that 10pm is not a great time slot. I think they would have given it more of a chance if they moved it to 8 or 9pm.

I also mentioned my belief that the replacement series will also fail in this time slot. This happens every year - the networks chase an extra dime and take off quality shows only to replace them with other shows which don't survive the season. I just think the networks need to realize they're not going to get astronomical numbers on every show. Some shows will get mediocre numbers - especially at 10pm.

Anyway, gotta go. Peace.

Jimmy

[Pauly T]

I'd say the follow-up spot to Heroes is probably the best positioning NBC has to offer right now...

[kalorama]

I don't know if I said it was screwed over.

You didn't. But the person to whom I was responding (Infernorhythm) did.

There's absolutely nothing inherently wrong with the 10:00 pm time slot. ER and Law&Order have thrived at 10:00 for well over a decade, and the time slot has also produced a number of other long running shows.. What determines whether a time slot is any good is (A) the lead in and (B) the counter programming on other networks. I don't know what else was on Monday at 10:00 but, as has been pointed out, having one of the network's highest rated shows as a lead-in is prime positioning. They gave the show a fair chance to succeed. It didn't. That's just how it goes sometimes.

[Chiasm]

I'd say the follow-up spot to Heroes is probably the best positioning NBC has to offer right now...

And Journeyman's numbers were about the same as every other show they put there. The last hour is a killer slot on any night and Monday seems to be especially bad. What Journeyman had going for it is a much more devoted fanbase that other shows with similar numbers didn't have.

[Pauly T]

Anybody remeber what ran after Heroes last season? (EDIT: Studio 60. Thanks, Internets!)

And while Journeyman may have gotten similar numbers, there's always the question of cost.


(EDIT: Truth be told, I miss Studio 60 more than I'll miss Journeyman.)

[SPAfreak]

9PM Monday night is up against Monday Night Football in the fall and CSI: Miami, two ratings juggernauts. I'd say that Journeyman pulled down respectable ratings considering the competition but they continued to dwindle as the year went on and I don't know about the actual cost of the show. I will say that Journeyman was a much more logical choice to follow Heroes than Studio 60 or the Black Donnely's ever were and Chuck is also a more logical lead in than whatever was there last year.

[Chiasm]

NBC should have looked at what the CW did with Supernatural. That show has the single toughest time slot of any show on Television going up against the dual juggernaut of Grey's Anatomy and CSI: Las Vegas. As such its numbers are never stellar. But the CW wisely realized that no show would pull great numbers against those two shows and that what really counted was the dedicated fanbase which is something Supernatural has. And so we got a third season of Supernatural and now thanks to the strike we'll probably get a 4th since its looking more and more like there will be no pilots.

[kalorama]

The problem with that plan is that the CW is essentially a minor league farm club network and NBC is the Yankees or Red Sox (god, I hate baseball analogies). Their financial and ratings expectations are radically different. It's unreasonable to expect them both to operate using the same plan.

The highest rated CW shows pull in paltry numbers compared to many of the lowest rated shows on ABC, NBC, and CBS. That's always been the case. The CW can afford to let lower rated shows roll because all of their shows are lower rated. The CW's standard for acceptable ratings (and acceptable loss) are much different than the "Big 3" networks.

[hYPE]

I miss you Journeyman :(

[Infernorhythm]

I miss you Journeyman :(

Same here man, I need my Journeyman fix.

[hYPE]

Same here man, I need my Journeyman fix.

It's truly ashame that the Network can't see the potential in this show. It's beyond stupid that they canceled it!!!

[kalorama]

It's truly ashame that the Network can't see the potential in this show. It's beyond stupid that they canceled it!!!

It wasn't canceled because the network couldn't see the potential in the show. If that were true they never would have spent millions of dollars putting the show on the air in the first place. it was canceled because the would-be audience wasn't interested. You can't see people something if they refuse to buy it.

[Chiasm]

It wasn't canceled because the network couldn't see the potential in the show. If that were true they never would have spent millions of dollars putting the show on the air in the first place. it was canceled because the would-be audience wasn't interested. You can't see people something if they refuse to buy it.

No. It was because its a genre show in a killer timeslot. Heroes isn't exactly pulling stellar numbers anymore but it also only facing Football and not the CSI Juggernaut like Journeyman did. Granted Miami is only a 2nd tier CSI but its still CSI. There are a couple of truisms right now in TV - you aren't going to beat American Idol, you aren't going to beat CSI, and you aren't going to beat Grey's Anatomy. Someone will obviously point out that Grey's and CSI: Las Vegas go head to head but I'll just point out that they are still usually top 5 shows week in and week out. Networks need to realize that its highly unlikely for any show to knock a CSI show off the top. Especially a serialized genre show. NBC should have cultivated the fanbase Journeyman was growing because the fanbase is there and is hungry for shows like this and if they are good and don't suck (*cough* Bionic Woman *cough*) we will support it.

[kalorama]

No. It was because its a genre show in a killer timeslot.

Some of the longest running hourlong dramas of the past decade and a half have aired primarily in the 10:00 pm slot. This whole thing about 10 o'clock being an inherently unfavorable timeslot is simply untrue.

There are a couple of truisms right now in TV - you aren't going to beat American Idol, you aren't going to beat CSI, and you aren't going to beat Grey's Anatomy.

Here's the thing about truisms: They're only true until somebody proves them to be false. To suggest that networks should simply concede defeat and not even try to counter-program their competitors shows is silly. What are they supposed to do, just run a test pattern for an hour? It's a business. And part of what business do is to try and knock off the competition. The other part of what businesses do is to make money. Journeyman wasn't doing either. Thus it got canceled. It's just that simple.

[Chiasm]

Some of the longest running hourlong dramas of the past decade and a half have aired primarily in the 10:00 pm slot. This whole thing about 10 o'clock being an inherently unfavorable timeslot is simply untrue.


How many of them were serialized sci fi shows?

How many of them were Monday night at 9pm going against MNF?

How many of them had to go against a CSI?

Those are the three things that killed Journeyman. #1 is always going to be a factor since there is a large segment of the TV audience who doesn't want to invest their time into a semi serialized show, especially a sci fi one. But the other two are killers and NBC should have realized that they had a quality show on their hands but that factor #1 was going to always limit it given the competition at that hour.

[Tazirai]

How many of them were serialized sci fi shows?

How many of them were Monday night at 9pm going against MNF?

How many of them had to go against a CSI?

Those are the three things that killed Journeyman. #1 is always going to be a factor since there is a large segment of the TV audience who doesn't want to invest their time into a semi serialized show, especially a sci fi one. But the other two are killers and NBC should have realized that they had a quality show on their hands but that factor #1 was going to always limit it given the competition at that hour.

I respect and agree with what you have said.

[Dr. Banner]

Anyone else think like I did by any chance?

When seeing the first ads for the show, I saw Moon Bloodgood in a show that SEEMED similar enough to her last failed series and figured history would just repeat itself, no point in watching the show.

[Tazirai]

Anyone else think like I did by any chance?

When seeing the first ads for the show, I saw Moon Bloodgood in a show that SEEMED similar enough to her last failed series and figured history would just repeat itself, no point in watching the show.

No Matter how hot Moon Bloodgood is.. she needs to stay FAR AWAY from SCI-FI shows.

[kalorama]

How many of them were serialized sci fi shows?

How many of them were Monday night at 9pm going against MNF?

How many of them had to go against a CSI?

Don't know and don't care. but the fact that you have to ask those questions just underscores my point.

To wit:

As I've already said, there is NOTHING inherently debilitating about putting a show on at 10:00 pm. Whether or not a show succeeds at that (or any other) time is a result of a myriad of circumstances.