Technically speakin the Xbox360 doesn't have a Killer App.

[Mr. Ifix'em]

It has games but no killer app. Case in point.

Gears of War: On PC.
Bioshock: On PC.
Elder Scrolls IV: On PC and PS3.
GRAW: Multiplatform.

The only Killer App would be Halo 3.

The PS3 have 4 Killer Apps.

Resistance: Fall of Man
Warhawk
Lair
Heavenly Sword

Coming soon Metal Gear Solid 4 and Little Big Planet.

you guys agree?

[Young Avenger]

Halo 3 will be on PC once Halo 4 rolls around.

I heard that Lair sucked. Nothing to brag about. This PS3 fanboyism is just sad.

[Gargus]

This PS3 fanboyism is just sad.

So is your anti ps3ism.

You heard it sucked, but you dont know do you? Nope. Obviously biased if you just say something sarcastically when you dont actually know. Its sad you rule something out just because you dont like the system.

And for the record, anyone (such as yourself) who is pro nintendo, anti microsoft or whatever arent real gamers. Thats right, your not a real gamer because your worried about the system and not the games.

A system without good games is a expensive paper weight, games make themselves, not the systems that they are on. The 8bit nes is a far superior system to the xbox, wii and ps3 combined because it had a ton of better games, that doesnt make the system itself any better though.

Stop being pro this or anti that, like the games regardless of whos name is on the box you put the game into to play.

[Black Atom]

Dammit, you pushed Gargus' "true gamer" button.

Anyway, yes, Lair has been poorly reviewed by just about everyone out there, so it's hard to consider it a Killer App. Whether or not it really is a great game, the negative word-of-mouth it's getting is killing it. Heavenly Sword certainly looks cool, so let's hope it'll live up to expectations.

But, more to the point, the fact that those games are on PC doesn't mean they aren't killer apps for the X-Box. The gamers holding out for PC versions weren't planning on getting an X-Box (or any console) anyhow, so it's a moot point.

[Thorlief]

I played Lair and it sucks so seriously Gargus, no doubt about it. It's a poor concept with terrible, TERRIBLE controls and cool aesthetics.

I have yet to try HS but it sure doesn't look like it will live up to the hype

having said that, I agree with the op. But I believe Mass Effect will be the very first killer app, it's going to be a behemoth of a game

on a sidenote: this generation is sucking hard right now. What's with developers who suddenly can't develop a good game anymore? With the sole exception of the DS-which is the true winner of this generation, and will remain on the throne for a long time- the new home consoles are having a pretty bland start

[Black Atom]

I'm not sure the issue is that the games are bad. It's just that there's nothing really wowwing us. Gaming is up against a wall. Hardware that facilitated the jump from 2D to 3D was the logical step that really motivated the industry a few years back. What's the equivalent hardware upgrade from this gen? HD? Bigger disc capacity? Where can we take gaming franchises that're going on 10 years old with this technology? Is a PS3 God of War (or Halo 3, for that matter,) really going to be a different and better experience than the previous gen version of the game. Sure, it won't be bad, but it's not making us leap out of our seats, either.

[Xero Kaiser]

It has games but no killer app. Case in point.

Gears of War: On PC.
Bioshock: On PC.
Elder Scrolls IV: On PC and PS3.
GRAW: Multiplatform.

PS3 got GRAW and ES4 long after the 360 did. GoW isn't out on the PC yet.

But I guess there's Bioshock. Although, people tend to look at PC and console games separately. Halo 1 and 2 wound up on the PC but it's still considered a Xbox series.

The PS3 have 4 Killer Apps.

Resistance: Fall of Man
Warhawk
Lair
Heavenly Sword

There's more to it than just being a console-exclusive. If nobody likes Lair, it can hardly be called a killer app. Killer apps move systems. MGS4? That'll most likely be a killer app

Coming soon Metal Gear Solid 4 and Little Big Planet.


Little Big Planet?

LOL

What's the equivalent hardware upgrade from this gen? HD? Bigger disc capacity?

Haven't better graphics and more space/power been the focus of every new console generation?

[Captain Trips]

I'm not sure the issue is that the games are bad. It's just that there's nothing really wowwing us. Gaming is up against a wall. Hardware that facilitated the jump from 2D to 3D was the logical step that really motivated the industry a few years back. What's the equivalent hardware upgrade from this gen? HD? Bigger disc capacity? Where can we take gaming franchises that're going on 10 years old with this technology? Is a PS3 God of War (or Halo 3, for that matter,) really going to be a different and better experience than the previous gen version of the game. Sure, it won't be bad, but it's not making us leap out of our seats, either.

That's a very good point, and I would submit that this generation's "leap" will be user created content - and not only just the creation aspect, but being able to share that content with other users as well. I really think that the first killer app of this generation is going to be Little Big Planet for the PS3. It's not going to come out for another 9 or 10 months, but it really looks like an incredibly innovative and fun game.

[Captain Trips]

Little Big Planet?

LOL

I posted right after you did. Apparently we disagree. :D

[Black Atom]

Haven't better graphics and more space/power been the focus of every new console generation?

Yeah, but the gulf in how much better games look (to say nothing of how much that extra space/power can actually be effectively utilized) is narrowing.

That's a very good point, and I would submit that this generation's "leap" will be user created content - and not only just the creation aspect, but being able to share that content with other users as well. I really think that the first killer app of this generation is going to be Little Big Planet for the PS3. It's not going to come out for another 9 or 10 months, but it really looks like an incredibly innovative and fun game.

That's a good point. If the Wii is any indication, it'll be the really off-beat stuff that's going to stand out this gen.

[Xero Kaiser]

Yeah, but the gulf in how much better games look (to say nothing of how much that extra space/power can actually be effectively utilized) is narrowing.


Hmm.

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Well...I guess the gap is a bit smaller. But the jump is still extremely large and obvious. I don't think we're hitting the point where there's no clear gap quite yet. The biggest change seems to be how people need extra stuff (pimped out PCs, HDTVs) to really take advantage of the jump.

[Thorlief]

it will be pretty hard for the PS3 to have a killer app if it'll keep being sold at such a ridiculous price. I can see some great games coming out, but ultimately the people will ask themselves "Neat stuff, but 600$ for a game console?? Uhmmmm----"

[StoneGold]

Some of the criteria here for what is or isn't a "killer app" is a little off. Halo was on PC. Does that mean it wasn't a killer app for the 360? GTAIII came out for Xbox. Does that mean its dominance on PS2 doesn't count? Hell, most stuff on computer almost doesn't even count these days, just because the hardware issues are too high. How many people do you know with Vista that can play Halo 2 on their computer? Or even run Bioshock at decent resolutions and frame rates? Is anyone going to be able to run Crysis? Now if you really wanted to make a point, it would be that Games for Windows with DX10 has no killer app. And you'd be right as rain.


But if we're going to play this game, how about exclusive DLC on GTA IV?

[Kevin M.]

It has games but no killer app. Case in point.

Gears of War: On PC.
Bioshock: On PC.
Elder Scrolls IV: On PC and PS3.
GRAW: Multiplatform.

The only Killer App would be Halo 3.

The PS3 have 4 Killer Apps.

Resistance: Fall of Man
Warhawk
Lair
Heavenly Sword

Coming soon Metal Gear Solid 4 and Little Big Planet.

you guys agree?

I don't. Three out of the four games that you listed were created orignally for the 360. It was after they were established on the 360 that they were moved to the PC.

So is your anti ps3ism.

You heard it sucked, but you dont know do you? Nope. Obviously biased if you just say something sarcastically when you dont actually know. Its sad you rule something out just because you dont like the system.

And for the record, anyone (such as yourself) who is pro nintendo, anti microsoft or whatever arent real gamers. Thats right, your not a real gamer because your worried about the system and not the games.

A system without good games is a expensive paper weight, games make themselves, not the systems that they are on. The 8bit nes is a far superior system to the xbox, wii and ps3 combined because it had a ton of better games, that doesnt make the system itself any better though.

Stop being pro this or anti that, like the games regardless of whos name is on the box you put the game into to play.

Gargus, I'm sick and tired of hearing this "We are not real gamers" nonsense over and over again. We know the games matter, but also don't start bashing people because they dislike something about a system. You are an embarrassment to gamers, and have done nothing but alginate yourself from the fellow members of the game forum, and turned informative threads into flamewars. Do us all a favor: The next time you going into another one of your rants, keep it to yourself.

[jesse_custer]

And for the record, anyone (such as yourself) who is pro nintendo, anti microsoft or whatever arent real gamers. Thats right, your not a real gamer because your worried about the system and not the games.


I support companies who have good games and a good system. And Sony hasn't met those requirements in a while. Therefore, I'm anti-Sony because the company sucks in general. Being worried only about the system or being worried only about the games are both stupid mentalities. You should be concerned about both.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Gargus, I'm sick and tired of hearing this "We are not real gamers" nonsense over and over again. We know the games matter, but also don't start bashing people because they dislike something about a system. You are an embarrassment to gamers, and have done nothing but alginate yourself from the fellow members of the game forum, and turned informative threads into flamewars. Do us all a favor: The next time you going into another one of your rants, keep it to yourself.

You know, this isn't to say that you aren't right (IMO you definitely are), but you act as if most of us haven't already said a rant similar to this one. To the same guy.

Back on topic, yeah, I'm not seeing your point, Mr. Ifix'em.

[Kevin M.]

You know, this isn't to say that you aren't right (IMO you definitely are), but you act as if most of us haven't already said a rant similar to this one. To the same guy.

Back on topic, yeah, I'm not seeing your point, Mr. Ifix'em.


Had to get it out of my system.

[Deep_Sleeper]

I'd consider Gears of War and HALO to be killer apps.

[StreetFighterRyu]

The only thing wrong with Lair are the controls. Just get used to it.

[Shawn Hopkins]

I for the life of me can't understand the OP's reasoning in saying there is no killer app then admitting Halo 3 is. What's the point of the post, then?

As for the others, a game can also appear on more than one platform and still be a killer app for a system because that system has the best or most popular version. I would argue that Mortal Kombat with the blood was a killer app for the Genesis. I would argue FFVII is a killer app for the Playstation, even though that came out on PC. Hell, Tetris has appeared lots of places, but I don't think anyone would argue that it wasn't a killer app for the original Gameboy, in fact probably the very definition of a killer app.

I think PS3s killer apps will be the new Metal Gear Solid and FF games.

[Kevin M.]

I for the life of me can't understand the OP's reasoning in saying there is no killer app then admitting Halo 3 is. What's the point of the post, then?

As for the others, a game can also appear on more than one platform and still be a killer app for a system because that system has the best or most popular version. I would argue that Mortal Kombat with the blood was a killer app for the Genesis. I would argue FFVII is a killer app for the Playstation, even though that came out on PC. Hell, Tetris has appeared lots of places, but I don't think anyone would argue that it wasn't a killer app for the original Gameboy, in fact probably the very definition of a killer app.

I think PS3s killer apps will be the new Metal Gear Solid and FF games.

I think that Mr. Ifix'em was thinking that since the games were on multiple systems, then I dose not count as a killer app. That is the only way I see him making this thread.

[metr0man]

Well I always thought of the "red ring of death" RIDICULOUSLY high failure rates (I heard 30 percent recently :eek: ) was it's "killer" app. ;)

[Kevin M.]

Well I always thought of the "red ring of death" RIDICULOUSLY high failure rates (I heard 30 percent recently :eek: ) was it's "killer" app. ;)

It has the killer part down pat. :D

[Jared H.]

I own a PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360. PS2 was my fav system last gen(when I also had Gamecube and Xbox).

I have 12 games for my Xbox 360 that I've kept since I got them. Only game on the system I've resold is Sonic the Hedgehog. On the other hand, I've only kept one game on PS3, and that's Resistance: Fall of Man. Every other game I've bought for that console, I've resold. However, I'm still buying PS2 titles quite frequently, such as Odin Sphere, GrimGrimoire, etc.

Only PS3 exclusive title I'm getting for sure this year is Ratchet and Clank. Meanwhile, I absolutely loved Bioshock(sure it's on the PC, but I don't wanna shell out the cash to upgrade) and Blue Dragon, and I'm psyched for Eternal Sonata, Halo 3, and Mass Effect; all Xbox 360 exclusives.

I played Lair at a friend's house, and hated it. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is great, but it's just a retooling of the Xbox game. I wasn't impressed with the Heavenly Sword demo. Folklore looks interesting, but I'm undecided for now.

For me, Xbox 360 this year blows PS3 out of the water.

Now, things may change next year(and I hope they do, especially now that Nippon Ichi is developing for PS3), but for my money, Xbox 360 has far more fun games this year than PS3, period.