Frank Cho's art on Mighty Avengers / What is your verdict ? [Archive]

sabongero

09-05-2007, 05:51 AM

Frank Cho has been the regular penciler for Mighty Avengers from issue #1 up to the current issue and will be soon replaced by Mark Bagley.

How do you assess his artwork in the Mighty Avengers series so far ? There is a poll so please vote your opinion. However, please kindly back up the reason why you voted that way.

For example:

Comment on the Elements of his art form. By this I mean the components that he uses to create the actual piece of art: Like his Lines, Shape, Form, use of Space, Texture, Value, etc.

Comment on the Principles of his art form. By this I mean his the different ways he can organize a piece of art, and also how the elements of art can be arranged for different effects, and create composition: Like his Rhythm, Movement, Balance, Contrast, Variety, Emphasis, Harmony, Unity, Pattern, etc.

Dusty.

09-05-2007, 06:13 AM

Cho is somebody that I thought was a good little artist, but nothing special. Drew nice women, though! Mighty Avengers changed all that, and I became a huge fan. The linework is just so smooth.

Can't wait to see his Scarlet Witch. I could name a big list of females I'd like to see Cho endow with his great linework. She-Hulk, the Enchantress, Sersi, etc... etc... etc...

rogerio

09-05-2007, 11:43 AM

Can't wait to see his Scarlet Witch. I could name a big list of females I'd like to see Cho endow with his great linework. She-Hulk, the Enchantress, Sersi, etc... etc... etc...
yeah!
Steve Epting (and others) is years ahead of him but he's okay.
I love his Black Widow!:)

Pwood

09-05-2007, 11:45 AM

Cho's art is nearly flawless. The only problem is how long it takes him to produce such amazing images...

The Punished

09-05-2007, 11:55 AM

Smashing artwork. Great musculature development, action is defined, tones are exactly where they need to be and it moves the senses!

Deep_Sleeper

09-05-2007, 04:01 PM

I think he's really great. I'm waiting for the TPB. I like his clean lines. I also like how his picture is a high-quality snapshot of action, rather than a polaroid. Meaning, a lot of people like panels where there's a sense of movement. With me, it's complicated. I love how Erik Larsen draws motion lines, but with Cho, I like how he kind of pauses time during his action and takes that one panel that's killer.

Shyft

09-05-2007, 05:00 PM

Cho has two big selling points, smooth lines and women. the fact that marvel sells his art by actively advertising the fact that he is a massive T&A artist actually puts me off his work. If i wanted ridiculously proportioned women id read hentai, or watch porn. that sort of thing has its place, but i dont feel its place is in a superhero comic book.

Yes his lines are clean, but so are SO MANY Marvel artists'. He works too slow, his facial expressions are either *shocked* or *angry*, and his work feels very static. The lines are so clean on the characters as to be slightly sterile, and do not convey action or movement well, in my view. If we are talking clean realistic lines, McNiven, Jr. jr and Coipel blow Cho out of the water.

Babylon23

09-05-2007, 05:09 PM

Cho's is what I'd call a 'nice' artist. Clean lines, good sense of storytelling, clear layouts. He's not the most dynamic artist, but his work is nice to look at.

However, the cheesecake element of his work gets very old very fast. Obviously, that's one of his selling points, but I wish he'd get past it.

Arilou

09-05-2007, 05:12 PM

3 stars. Cho is a very talented artist, unfortunately he tends to focus so much on certain *parts* of his job (you know what I mean) that it gets distracting.

Will.S

09-05-2007, 05:17 PM

If we are talking clean realistic lines, McNiven, Jr. jr and Coipel blow Cho out of the water.
I actually think they're all on the same level. Steve McNiven's art is outstanding, no doubt but when it's inked by anyone other than Dexter Vines or Mark Morales doesn't look as good as seen in parts of Civil War #7.

As for Frank Cho's art itself, I love it. It's very appealing on several levels and he has a great grip on anatomy. My only minor quibble is the Iron Man armor is a little too bulky but he's found a way to make it his own by slightly tweaking it's design to suit his style.

Of course, naked Ultron seems like a bit much on the T & A factor since that doesn't particularly have any utilitarian use design wise (other giving people something to wank to) but outside of that example I don't think he should be branded as solely a T & A artist only because he can draw women well. He's great with pretty much everything, it's only his pace that's causing the book so move slower than to my liking especially with Brian's scripting style which admittedly drives me nutty for a bi-monthly or whatever it is right now.

5 Stars

Your Imaginary Pal

09-05-2007, 05:20 PM

Crisp detailed and powerful. this is comic book art, just the right exaggerations and gorgeous women.

Billy Parker

09-05-2007, 09:15 PM

5 stars!! Cho is my favorite Avenger artist and his art is incredible!!! He really upped the excitement on Mighty Avengers for me.

Spiffy

09-05-2007, 09:44 PM

never mind!

Miss Kitty Fantastico

09-06-2007, 02:17 AM

Cho's art on Mighty, on its own merits, is outstanding. But even better is that Cho and Bendis are near as dammit perfectly in sync as storytellers - what Bendis does with the words supports and augments Cho's art, and vice versa.

a-spidey

09-07-2007, 11:20 AM

i gave it 5 Stars. He's really good and i like it. Great to see him on a book like Mighty Avengers.

Big Red Spider

09-07-2007, 01:40 PM

Boobs aside for a moment..

Like a lot of people have mentioned his art is very clean. I don't no if that's a compliment or complaint, but compared to Yu it's definatly a compliment. His panels are great. They are easy to follow and there's plenty of action. His style seems really safe, as in, there's not a lot of artistic lisence taken with the characters. From the couple issues's I've seen he has a good command of emotions and action. I really like it except for one thing...

Back to the boobs

It's not that I don't like characters with huge racks, I'll read anything with a nicely drawn Power Girl or anything by Jim Balent. It's just that I like variety. Can we have at least one charecter with just a c-cup? Ms. Marvel I can understand. I mean they look nice on her. But Wasp/Ultron and Black Widow don't have to look like they've been to Jubilee's plastic surgeon. Just my opinion.

bdk91939

09-09-2007, 03:42 PM

Double post.

bdk91939

09-09-2007, 03:43 PM

Frank draws great women. What's in store for Frank Cho after Mighty Avengers since Bagley is taking over?

Babylon23

09-09-2007, 08:13 PM

Frank draws great women. What's in store for Frank Cho after Mighty Avengers since Bagley is taking over?

I believe Bagley is only filling in, and that Cho will return after Bagley's 3 or so issues.

sabongero

09-19-2007, 03:31 AM

I believe Bagley is only filling in, and that Cho will return after Bagley's 3 or so issues.

Good to hear that. I definitely want Frank Cho to handle the pencils on this title for the long haul.

Kefky

09-19-2007, 06:30 AM

Cho's just a perfect superhero artist. I don't understand why it took marvel so long give him a big superhero group. He's a wonderful storyteller, with clean, and easy to follow art. Aside from being a talented character designer, he draws amazing animals, monster, and machines, things that relatively new artists usually have a hard time with. And to top it all of, there's an incredible amount of energy emanating from his pencils. You can tell he loves what he's doing. It may seem like hyperbole but I honestly think that if he puts effort into it, he has the potential to become an artist in the level of Frank Quitely.

And just so it doesn't seem like I'm sucking up, yes, the T&A can be aggravating at times. It annoys me when he goes too far with it, and I can definitely why it turns people off from his work. But I don't think the finer qualities of his art should be ignored because of that. I feel like slapping people who say that he uses the T&A to "hide his weak storytelling skills" or some stupid crap like that.

And also, yes he is slow. I honestly hope that he gets a little faster once he gets more used to monthly grind, because I want him to stay on Mighty Avengers forever. It would be nice if he could about 8-10 issues an year eventually.

XPac

09-19-2007, 07:01 AM

I believe Bagley is only filling in, and that Cho will return after Bagley's 3 or so issues.

I do like Cho's stuff... but as slow as he is, I hope they use Bagley more often as some kind of alternative fill in artist or something.

Given that MIghty Avengers and New Avengers are suppossed to cross over, it makes things tough when Cho's book is so behind. By the time NA wraps up their cross over, the Mightys may still be fighting Ultron at this rate.

Don't get me wrong... I like Cho's stuff. It's nice, colorful, and clean... it has the perfect feel for a team book like this. But if he can't handle the monthy grind, then they definately need to have someone lessening the load on a regular basis.

Babylon23

09-19-2007, 08:20 PM

I do like Cho's stuff... but as slow as he is, I hope they use Bagley more often as some kind of alternative fill in artist or something.

While it would be nice to see Bagley on this book, I think he deserves better than a regular fill-in slot. A guy that drew 110 consecutives quality issues of a title deserves to be the #1 artist on an ongoing, high-profile book.

XPac

09-19-2007, 08:29 PM

While it would be nice to see Bagley on this book, I think he deserves better than a regular fill-in slot. A guy that drew 110 consecutives quality issues of a title deserves to be the #1 artist on an ongoing, high-profile book.

Given how Bendis likes working with the guy, I'd say the odds of Bagley working on high profile projects from this point on is pretty good. Bendis is essentially Mr. High Profile at this point.

bdk91939

09-23-2007, 02:28 PM

bagley or cho on mighty avengers is cool. either one is fine. i'd rather keep cho coz he was there in the 1st place but either one is fine.

reddog

09-24-2007, 05:27 PM

Frank Cho gets 5 stars from me and he is why i buy the book.

Lanowar

09-25-2007, 12:26 PM

I believe Bagley is only filling in, and that Cho will return after Bagley's 3 or so issues.

I hate to shatter the innocence here but thats no longer the case, Cho's off Mighty Avengers as of 6, and will do the Annual but thats it. There's a bigger topic about it.

As for the arc it's good...the women are a bit on the fantasy side but overall it's not as bad as I thought it would be.

sabongero

01-06-2008, 04:39 PM

I've got to say that I am picking up Mighty Avengers on Frank Cho's pencils alone. How about you guys ?

Enigmanaut

01-06-2008, 05:13 PM

Back to the boobs

It's not that I don't like characters with huge racks, I'll read anything with a nicely drawn Power Girl or anything by Jim Balent. It's just that I like variety. Can we have at least one charecter with just a c-cup? Ms. Marvel I can understand. I mean they look nice on her.

Anyone else think that Ms. Marvel and Power-Girl are the same person, in different realities? Same height, facial structure and coloring. Similar boob-size. One's named Carol. One's named Kara.

It would be cool for them to meet and react like they are looking in the mirror.

DDM

01-06-2008, 05:22 PM

Anyone else think that Ms. Marvel and Power-Girl are the same person, in different realities? Same height, facial structure and coloring. Similar boob-size. One's named Carol. One's named Kara.

It would be cool for them to meet and react like they are looking in the mirror.

No. Carol does not have the same breast size as Kara. Only recently has Marvel unfortunately sexed-up Carol's Ms. Marvel costume. Read the original Ms. Marvel #1-23, Captain Marvel #1-34 (first series), Marvel Super-Heroes #13 (first series), The Avengers #183-200, Avengers Annual #10 (she's in a bikini at the end of the story as she talks to the Avengers at Xavier's mansion), & Uncanny X-Men #150-174.

Wally Wood kept making Kara's breast size larger each time he drew her to get under the Comic Code Authority's skin. He kept making them large until they said something, but the CCA never did.

Enigmanaut

01-06-2008, 05:27 PM

No. Carol does not have the same breast size as Kara. Only recently has Marvel unfortunately sexed-up Carol's Ms. Marvel costume. Read the original Ms. Marvel #1-23, Captain Marvel #1-34 (first series), Marvel Super-Heroes #13 (first series), The Avengers #183-200, Avengers Annual #10 (she's in a bikini at the end of the story as she talks to the Avengers at Xavier's mansion), & Uncanny X-Men #150-174.

Wally Wood kept making Kara's breast size larger each time he drew her to get under the Comic Code Authority's skin. He kept making them large until they said something, but the CCA never did.

But, that kind of goes toward the similarity as well... they both started with smaller boobs than they have now, but gradually kept getting more boob-blessed until they were both sporting some large, round spandex-pillows.

DDM

01-06-2008, 05:35 PM

But, that kind of goes toward the similarity as well... they both started with smaller boobs than they have now, but gradually kept getting more boob-blessed until they were both sporting some large, round spandex-pillows.

Kara's started out as soon as she was created in the 70's; furthermore, her cleavage along with her attitude & costume help set her apart from the Earth-1 Supergirl.

Carol Danvers, on the other hand, has been around since 1968 & her cleavage has not changed until recently. It's also only on Greg Horn's covers or Frank Cho who makes all women have super cleavage.

Apples & oranges.

sabongero

01-13-2008, 12:58 PM

With the new issue out on Mighty Avengers...all I can say is that Frank Cho is definitely the better penciller on this title. Even with all the delays I say Frank Cho is the man here. Bagley was good for US-M. But for this series he comes across uneven.

When will Frank return to pencilling duties for Mighty Avengers ?

Diablito

01-13-2008, 01:50 PM

Cho has smooth lines, and nice women, but I don't see what's particularly amazing about it. He doesn't fit into art niches (stylized, realistic, etc) making his art pretty... average. He does not convey movement so well, his faces can become distorted, and the simpleness of his art can be boring sometimes. On top of that, he is a slow artist. I'm actually pleased he is off of Mighty Avengers.

Slaymaster

01-13-2008, 02:04 PM

I just Googled Cho's artwork to see what it was like, and while its good it doesn't stand out or grab my attention. I think 'vanilla' is the word that comes to mind. Every artist has his own style (or should, eventually), and Cho could do some experimenting to see if he could add a little more to his work. Take a look at the best artists, they started off with the basics but after a couple years their stuff really took off, looked great. Some go backwards (Silvestri in the 'Wolverine' comic books, Gary Frank in 'Supreme Power' compared to his 'Hulk' days; personal opinions that the artists would say,"Who's this dweeb to say !@#$ about my work!?")

Admittedly I buy comics more for the artwork than the story, although when I started out I got the best of both worlds... X-Men #222. Claremont writing, Silvestri drawing (his best work to me), with Wolverine gutting Sabretooth on the cover (classic).

I won't buy comics if the artwork is bad, or silly... like Mike Allred (how he got hired at Marvel I'll never know) or Frank Quitely (second worst artwork I've ever seen). Honestly, I was never a fan of Todd McFarlane, but at least he does a good job overall. I traded Spider-Man 298-300 for $50 worth of Alpha Flight comics and a couple of miscellaneous comics. Why? Because...

Jim Lee rules!

I think he's the best artist there is, with a great style, and why Marvel ever let him go... beyond me. I'd've done everything possible to keep him around.

Anyway, my top ten artists: (actually, the names that stand out after being out of the loop for 15 years)

1) Jim Lee (X-Men)
2) Art Adams (Asgardian Wars)
3) Marc Silvestri (X-Men)
4) Alan Davis (X-Men)
5) Ron Lim (Silver Surfer)
6) Walt Simonson (Thor, X-Factor, FF)
7) John Romita, Jr. (X-Men)
8) John Byrne (X-Men)
9) Dale Keown (Hulk)(Also liked Gary Frank's run on the Hulk)
10) Rick Leonardi (X-Men)

There are plenty more artists I like (Joe Maduriera, Mark Bagley, Erik Larsen, Tom Raney, Barry Windsor-Smith), but those above are the 'gold standard*' to me.

*With all due respect to the greats like Jack Kirby and those who pioneered comics art.

Oh, yeah... ROB LIEFELD SUCKS. (had to get that in there)

Madama Butterfly

01-16-2008, 07:08 PM

I give him 4 stars. His art is nice and clean, with gorgeous women with enlarged features...lol

LungerTony

01-19-2008, 12:58 AM

On art alone, I give him a 5. His women are good in a cheesecake way, but he also draws Ares, and especially Sentry very well.

His delays on Mighty are so bad though, if I consider them I would only rate him a 3 or lower.

Super Villains INC>

01-20-2008, 12:36 PM

I've always felt Cho's stuff is just kinda.....blah....

not the worst stuff ever, but nowhere near the hype i hear about him either. A lot of fans I know just think he is incredible, but I've always felt there is a real sterile feeling, or coldness to his stuff, especially his super hero stuff. Kinda boring and stiff, when you look at the totality of his pages. A nice drawing here or there, but something about it never solidifies with me. I think he is much better on his own Liberty meadows, tho....

Noronha

01-21-2008, 05:15 PM

Should´ve quit sooner,good art but impossible schedule,to bad Bagley is only going to do a couple of issues(damn you DC!!).

Robo Ape

01-22-2008, 03:44 AM

No one mentions what a good 'mecha' artist he is too.

If he worked in Japan he would be a superstar I reckon with his talent & style.

Noronha

01-22-2008, 05:36 AM

No one mentions what a good 'mecha' artist he is too.

If he worked in Japan he would be a superstar I reckon with his talent & style.

Well this isn´t Japan.

Robo Ape

01-22-2008, 08:14 AM

Well this isn´t Japan.

Yes it isn't Japan what's your point?:confused:

Magnificent Bastard

01-23-2008, 12:02 AM

I've got to say that I am picking up Mighty Avengers on Frank Cho's pencils alone. How about you guys ?

Quoted for truth.

Anything that Cho touches I'd buy. Even if he did rubbish like Betty & Veronica's Most Excellent Adventure, I'd be all over it.

If only Marvel would let him draw women & dinosaurs for the rest of his life...

Jim Lee rules! I LOL!

Lunal

01-23-2008, 03:17 PM

Apples & oranges.

More like grapefruits and melons with Cho.

He's a legend, that much is certain. Defined style, very much recognizable and unique. I love his artwork.

That said, his artwork hasn't been enough to make me buy into Mighty Avengers.

Frank

01-23-2008, 03:34 PM

After seeing his picks of Liberty Meadows I thought he was going to be much better than what we saw on Mighty Avenger. I thought it was going to be more fluid on the action side a la Scott Campbell but most of the time his drawings are very stiff. It's more pinups with characters being caught in time than actual movement.

sabongero

06-04-2008, 11:36 PM

Is Frank coming back to this title or is he definitely off the title ?

RedRonin

06-04-2008, 11:56 PM

Is Frank coming back to this title or is he definitely off the title ?
He's off. He can't handle a monthly, though I remember some talk about him doing an Mighty Avengers Annual at some point. Don't know if that's still going to happen.

pryde15

06-05-2008, 12:10 AM

Never was a big fan till his run on Mighty. Love his work now. I also really enjoyed the fresh colors.

HeckBoy

06-05-2008, 12:16 AM

I like his art, but sometimes his heroes get a bit "lumpy." Plus, I really hated the way he drew the Sentry's face.

CyberCoyote

06-05-2008, 05:36 AM

As much as his cheesecake approach bothered me I simply cannot deny the guy is talented. Clean lines, nice storytelling, very distinct characters. Gave him a 4 out of 5.

sabongero

06-05-2008, 10:57 AM

If he's off Mighty Avengers, then what series is he pencilling now ? Does anyone know ?

gorthon616

06-05-2008, 11:15 PM

For example:

Comment on the Elements of his art form. By this I mean the components that he uses to create the actual piece of art: Like his Lines, Shape, Form, use of Space, Texture, Value, etc.

Comment on the Principles of his art form. By this I mean his the different ways he can organize a piece of art, and also how the elements of art can be arranged for different effects, and create composition: Like his Rhythm, Movement, Balance, Contrast, Variety, Emphasis, Harmony, Unity, Pattern, etc.

Not disregarding your primer, but I'm not an art school major.

I found it as average. It's a very niche look. And I think overall there are people who will like it and people who will not like it. For me it had ups and downs, probably more ups than down. However, he did do away with Mohawk Ares (down) and for some reason his Wasp was completely atrocious in my eyes. Loved the look he put on Wonder Man though. I think he was a poor choice for the sort of story that Bendis was going for. Everything is just too soft looking to give it an action-packed look.