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Gilda Dent
09-02-2007, 08:02 PM
I tried this a few years back, and found it difficult to really appreciate it for a couple of reasons, mostly that the somewhat random nature and realistic depiction of violence in the show caused me more problems then than it does now, and that I couldn't connect to any of the characters because very nearly all of them were either evil or willing to tolerate and cooperate with evil because it benefitted them to do so.

But it has such a reputation that I had to try again.

I can appreciate it quite a bit better now. All of the mobsters are still scum, and I tend to spend most of each episode rooting for bad things to happen to most of the protagonists. I loved it when Tony went golfing with the professionals in his neighborhood and basically was treated like a circus sideshow freak because of what he does. Sadly, such scenes where the bad guys get what's coming to them are rare.

The priest is . . . creepy is the best word I can think of for it, but I'm not sure exactly what it is that makes it so that every scene with him in it makes me a little queasy.

Carmella is on the surface the most sympathetic of the adults in either family, but as became clear that she's very much aware of exactly what her husband does for a living and is willing to endorse or ignore this behavior because it gives her a nice house and car and furniture, she tended to lose more and more sympathy.

Tony's mother is the single most deliciously evil character in the show, manipulating everyone involved in every scene in which she appears.

Dr. Melfi is probably the most sympathetic adult in the cast, but the way in which she's so detached makes her hard to get a grasp on. It's difficult at this point to figure out why she keeps taking Tony back--he's threatened her with violence, come just short of sexually assaulting her, and on several occasions gotten angry enough to scream obscenities at her and walk out in the middle of a session. It seemed obvious to me that having Tony for a patient was placing Dr. Melfi in great physical danger--from him--long before the other elements in the season finale made things worse for her.

There were a few duds--the episode with the coach that was molesting the girl on the soccer team was nothing less than awful.

As an inside look at evil, and the attraction that the power that comes with it can have (Christopher, the chef guy, Dr. Melfi, Carmella) it's very well done.

I also missed much of the humor the first time through, especially the way they frequently poke fun at how dumb most of the mobsters are through little bits of throwaway dialog.

It's not a fun show to watch--you have to accept that the bad guys are going to continue to get away with just about every scummy thing they do--but it is a very well made show.

It's much like Reservoir Dogs in a way, in that it shows a world in which traditional morality is turned almost entirely upside down, where cops doing their jobs are the bad guys and people who testify to the truth are the worst danger to the community instead of serving it.

Jack Zodiac
09-02-2007, 09:21 PM
The way to look at the show is that it isn't a show about mobsters, it's a show about a man and his family, especially his uncle and mother. The first three seasons are incredible because of that focus, but the rest of the show in the seasons after begin focusing on the "crime family" aspect and even more violence and scummy shit. Still, I always found the show entertaining up until the last two seasons.

Gilda Dent
09-02-2007, 09:47 PM
The way to look at the show is that it isn't a show about mobsters, it's a show about a man and his family, especially his uncle and mother. The first three seasons are incredible because of that focus, but the rest of the show in the seasons after begin focusing on the "crime family" aspect and even more violence and scummy shit. Still, I always found the show entertaining up until the last two seasons.

I have difficulty reading it that way because of what the family business is, and especially how it's run, in large part by hurting and killing people who get your way. It's the same problem I have with The Godfather. It can be read as the story of an immigrant family that comes to the US and makes good building a family business in the process, but with the business being crime, but I have a little bit of trouble reading it that way, because the family business is crime. I recognize it as a great movie, or the first two of them anyway, but I still much prefer the Scorsese mob pictures because they don't try to take the sympathetic "family enterprise" angle.

I do like The Sopranos because of the obvious skill that went into it; I just have a somewhat resistant reaction to being sympathetic to Tony as a family man because of what evil things he does to provide for his family.

Buzz Dixon
09-02-2007, 09:59 PM
The show lost it's juice when the actress playing Tony's other died. At that point it began pointlessly chasing its tail. I gave up on it after it's penultimate season.

Jack Zodiac
09-02-2007, 10:03 PM
You don't have to have sympathy for the character, though. Throughout the whole series, I had more sympathy for his fucked up kids and wife than Tony himself. He gets progressively worse throughout the series and I cared less and less about what happened to him. If he would've gotten wacked at any point in the series, it wouldn't have surprised or bothered me. Towards the end of the show, they tried to make you even more sympathetic towards him, too, which is why I really didn't enjoy most of the last two seasons; but the rest of the stuff going on, the drama and craziness with his family and business, is what kept me interested.

Or maybe you do need sympathy for the main character to enjoy a television show. I'unno, but it wasn't any love for the main character that kept me watching after the third season.

Gilda Dent
09-02-2007, 10:13 PM
You don't have to have sympathy for the character, though. Throughout the whole series, I had more sympathy for his fucked up kids and wife than Tony himself. He gets progressively worse throughout the series and I cared less and less about what happened to him. If he would've gotten wacked at any point in the series, it wouldn't have surprised or bothered me. Towards the end of the show, they tried to make you even more sympathetic towards him, too, which is why I really didn't enjoy most of the last two seasons; but the rest of the stuff going on, the drama and craziness with his family and business, is what kept me interested.

Or maybe you do need sympathy for the main character to enjoy a television show. I'unno, but it wasn't any love for the main character that kept me watching after the third season.

I get that, and I'm not saying I have to sympathize with Tony to enjoy the show, just that I can't watch it primarily as a family drama because the other aspect of what Tony does taints all that comes from it.

To really enjoy a show, I need some way to connect to it, with finding sympathy for the protagonist only one way to do this.

I can, however, still appreciate the show, as perhaps a study of how Tony's business poisons everything else in his life. I do relish the moments when bad stuff happens to him, Junior, or any of his associates. Those are fun.

cactusmaac
09-03-2007, 03:13 AM
I watched the first season when it aired in the UK but lost interest after that since I tend to watch shows where I like the protagonists - well, apart from Oz. Lately my brother's been watching all the boxsets and I've begun to appreciate the humour although it's not something I'd seek out to watch myself.

Favourite character would be Uncle June.

Dr Manolis Dooplove
09-03-2007, 07:26 AM
i'm watching it for the past month, i got the full seasons boxset and going through season 4 now! (please no spoilers like one above, about a death)

i didnt know what to make of it during the first episode, but i'm so in love with the character right now, especially Tony! i dont really mind that they're gangsters, or killers or whatever, i'm totally rooting for them against the feds!