need a little design help with a model I'm building.

[KWAK!]

Hey everybody,

Some of you might remember the 3d lil hellboy model I was making about a month ago, anyway, I need some help from some of you great artists and illustrators here on the HB board.

I want to portray Hellboy somewhere in between his lil Hellboy state and his full grown Hellboy state. I don't really wanna dress him up in the pilot's jumpsuit (like how Eric Powell draws him in Weird tales), but I don't wanna dress him just like grown up HB. He's not part of the BPRD yet I imagine, maybe he still lives at the airforce base. I had been modeling him with a lot of BPRD stuff (the belt, the BPRD T-shirt, the shorts), and I'm starting to think it might be better to make a blend of his jumpsuit outfit with his modern day outfit...

So...can anyone do me a favour and a do a little sketch of what the inbetween hellboy might look like? I'd really appreciate it.

here's the model as it is right now:
http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/lil%20hellboy%20remake.jpg

Look out for some more of my HB models in the coming months - I'm making a grown HB, a Herman Von Klempt (with Robo body), a Kriegraffe, and probably a roger (with a kilt).
-Kol.

[Jakob Westman]

How about giving him a t-shirt (or a tank top like now) with a print from some tv-series that aired during the 50's or 60's. Could also be some kind of space program t-shirt or something like that which kids back then probably found very exciting.

Or, maybe they didn't have those kind of t-shirts back then. Probably not. Hm... He wouldn't look too bad with his chest bare either. I used to run around a lot like that in the summers as a kid.

Big khaki shorts would look good. And you can let those have a lot of straps and stuff (like those cargo pants everyone wore two years ago) which will be a nod to grown-up HB's belt with all the stuff in it. And if you make them somewhat baggy that will strengthen the idea that he's still a kid.

And instead of talismans and stuff you could hang a slingshot, a baseball glove or something like that from his belt.

/ Jakob

PS. He looks very cool btw. Great job so far!!

[Tad]

Since he was that age in the late forties I say blue jeans with the cuffs rolled up and a striped t-shirt. I love the slingshot and baseball glove idea.

Check out the kid on the left for bagginess.

[KWAK!]

great ideas guys, I dig the baseball glove, sling shot, dennis the menace kinda look - maybe overals :)

[Teratomarty]

I like the idea of giving Hellboy overalls, which have all kinds of pockets for Hellboy's juvenile whatnots (as just an ordinary rural kid, I came home with all kinds of appalling items in my overall pockets on a daily basis; I can only imagine what Hellboy finds in Area 51 to haul around).

What year are we talking here? Early 60's? Cowboy shirts and corduroy pants were considered good clothing for boys then- you could look at some period photos (if I had the family album here, I'd scan in some pics of my dad and his brothers). I concur with whoever said HB's clothing should be baggy... given this kid's odd shape and unpredictable growth, Dr. Bruttenholm would probably have chosen things for him to grow into. And though Hellboy is less likely to get hand-me-downs than other kids, he might have adopted an army jacket or similar.

A note about what he's wearing in your illustration- in the late 50's - early 60's, it would have been passable only as underwear, not as proper clothing (well, except for the utility belt). My mother is still somewhat nauseated by the sight of men in tank tops, since she believes deep in her soul that they should be wearing a real shirt over the tank. (To be fair, the only guys she's complained of would definitely benefit from being hidden from view as much as possible).

[hellgirl1886]

I would envision something close to "Leave it to Beaver" or like "The Andy Griffeth show", Overalls, baseball glove, button down shirt with little checkwork patterns, tennis shoes. And I like the pockets in the overall, which could hold everything that any hellboy would need to carry.

[JohnThompson]

I really like the idea of baggy overalls, with a big chest/bib pocket with a frog inside! He's gotta have a frog!

[hellgirl1886]

He's gotta have a frog!

I agree with a frog and If possible maybe a fishing pole, wait there aren't that many lakes in the desert. So forget the pole. :D

[KWAK!]

lol i really dig the frog idea, will do.

When i get it rapid prototyped I could build him a little norman rockwell esque environment.

[KWAK!]

Started rebuilding him friday. Going for a more realistic look, still not sure if I'm going to give him the belt...I really like the belt.

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/hb%20revise%20front.jpg
http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/hb%20revise%20back.jpg
http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/hb%20revise%20front%20clothes.jpg

[E. Spears]

I'd maybe bulk up his arms a teensy bit.
But It looks GREAT as it is. Looking foreward to more models.

-ERS

[Jakob Westman]

Know what? I think the old face had more charm to it. More personality, this looks a bit too generic.

/ Jakob

[KWAK!]

The old face definitely had more a hellboy flavour too it. I'm trying to blend a realistic child's face with the HB trademark features, it's proving difficult...

The old face just wasn't realistic enough.

-Kol.

[KWAK!]

playing with the face. I figured I'd make a normal kids face then mess it up, haven't really started messing it up, cept for giving him an underbite:

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/lil%20hellboy%20face.jpg

[Teratomarty]

Wow! I like the stockier build- you can really see how he's going to grow up into the barrel-chested Hellboy we know. His feet are great, too.

Quick critique on the overalls- can you make them a bit baggier? Looser especially around the legs and the waist. Possibly the bib part should sag out and over the belt a bit, and there should be wrinkles of extra fabric at the tops of the thighs (I realise that this is rather fine detail of shape and texture). Also in the 'fine detail' category, I like the reinforced knees; a good touch for a child as active as Hellboy. Possibly the patch areas should be a different colour. My mom always reinforced the knees of my new jeans with the backs of the legs from last year's worn-out pair, so the fabric seldom matched.

[THE REAL kirk]

Have loved this lil' guy since you first started with him...your work is an inspiration! What software are you using?

The overalls are a cool new direction for HellBOY. Most likely better without the belt. As for the face, I look forward to your "messing up" version. It will be interesting to see how you bridge the gap. I enjoy seeing the more realistic approach you are taking.

One question about the model's horns. Are they covered in skin? Without any obvious break in the connection to his head it looks like they are covered. Perhaps this is a detail not yet included.

Anyway, enough nitpicking...I love it and can't wait to see more!

[KWAK!]

I got kinda bored with lil hellboy, so over my lunch hour i made this guy...for all you goon fans out there:

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon.jpg

[SpydaWeb]

I got kinda bored with lil hellboy, so over my lunch hour i made this guy...for all you goon fans out there:

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon.jpg


Over your lunch period?!

[JohnThompson]

Great Goon, Kolby! Are you using any pre-made parts, or do you really model that fast from scratch?

[KWAK!]

I modeled him from scratch...I'm a pretty fast modeler. Of course after I crunch a whole body and head in like 3 hours, I'll spend the next 4 days scrutinzing the position of every little point and edge - crunching geo is easy, refining geo takes time.

I've spent bout 1 hour 15 minutes to make him so far.

Anyway, glad you guys like it. I think he'll be a fun to texture and animate. Maybe a Powell style HB is next up.

-Kol.

[JohnThompson]

Maybe a Powell style HB is next up.
I'd still like to see your take on a Mignola style Hellboy. How well does your renderer do hair and fur effects? I'd like to see someone take a crack at a 3D Kriegaffe, too!

[KWAK!]

I'd love to do a Mignola style hellboy, but that one dude, Rune, did such an ace job matching Mignola's style that I wouldn't even wanna attempt it. Plus it's a lot of shader and compositing work, I'm more into modeling.
I've actually made a Mignola style HB head, I'll have to dig that out.
I really wanna do a Kriegraffe and Von Klempt.
XSI does decent hair and fur, with a lot of tweeking it can look really nice.

-K.

[Tad]

Great start on the Goon! Don't forget to mess up one side of his face. Count me majorly impressed.

[gary bolt]

Wow, KWAK!

Your Goon is so very GOONEY.

[KWAK!]

Yep, I'm gonna scar up the other side of the face, I would never forget about that. I can't wait to start animating him.

glad you guys like it.

-K.

[E. Spears]

That's awesome, KWAK. I really dig his hands in particular :D.

-ERS

[KWAK!]

dude, Eric Powell liked it....I'm in heaven.

Eric's comment on Darkhorse Goon forum (http://www.darkhorse.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=70165&sid=ef6416a8b453e4a56b06fc3e3fb0b387#70165)

[SpydaWeb]

dude, Eric Powell liked it....I'm in heaven.

Eric's comment on Darkhorse Goon forum (http://www.darkhorse.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=70165&sid=ef6416a8b453e4a56b06fc3e3fb0b387#70165)

You might wanna go back and edit your post. You spelled Goon as Good.

[KWAK!]

You might wanna go back and edit your post. You spelled Goon as Good.

LMAO so I did.

[KWAK!]

Playing with a 2d animation look, I think in the end though I wanna do photo-real textural skin like Shrek or the Incredibles.

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon%20cel.jpg

The non-shader version:

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon%203d.JPG

[E. Spears]

Yarr!

Rockin' models. The cartoon-shaded one is pretty cool, but I'd like to see the textures you were talking about.

Yarr!

-ERS

[Maija]

Arr, he looks a bit tubby in the 2-d model, so I prefers the 3-d meself, which is smashing, btw. Arrr.

[Hellsaint]

H'Lo she-matey's, the Goon 3D is, arr, a great sight indeed. Yarr, Kwak! here's a cwacker.

Jeez, how in the world did you guys get so fluent in pirate talk? :rolleyes:

[KWAK!]

Don't know if anybody is really still interested in this model, but what the heck, I'll keep updating, I rebuilt the musculature of the torso, a lot of this will be covered up by the shirt.

....arrrr!

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon%20v2.JPG

[icbm1987]

The amount of realism that provides the justification for giving him nipples makes me happy. (note: not in a perverted way)

What about his lower legs?

icbm1987

[KWAK!]

LMAO! I'll be starting his pants tomorrow.

[hellboyone]

I think I prefer the toon-shaded versions.

So, these are already rigged for animation? What's your process?

R.

[KWAK!]

nope not rigged yet. Can't rig him till I've finished modeling.

the process is:

1) create all geometry
2) Unwrap UVs.
3) Paint textures.
4) Create rig.
5) Envelope.

then I get to animate.

[KWAK!]

I worked on the shirt a bit tonight.

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon%208.JPG

[E. Spears]

That's very cool, Kwak. veryvery cool.

-ERS

[KWAK!]

toon render

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/toon%20goon.jpg

[KWAK!]

haven't worked on this much lately, but if anybody is interested.

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/punch.jpg

[E. Spears]

Those are really cool, KWAK. Is this a different toon rendering than before? 'Cuz I like this one better this time :D.

Always good to see yer stuff.

-ERS

[Maija]

KWAK, that's terrific!

It looks like he's either winding up to kick a vampire when he's down, or he's doing a soft-shoe number. I'd like to see either possibility animated. ;)

[icbm1987]

Goon animated would make me oh so happy...

although not quite as happy as I was today in physics when a girl sat on my lap... :rolleyes:

heh... I can't believe I just used that accursed smiley...

icbm1987

[hellgirl1886]

Pretty, have yet to read goon but pretty. :D

[gary bolt]

Goon animated would make me oh so happy...

although not quite as happy as I was today in physics when a girl sat on my lap... :rolleyes:

heh... I can't believe I just used that accursed smiley...

icbm1987

Nice smiley usage icbm1987 :rolleyes:

[KWAK!]

a quick test of the facial scarring.

http://www.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon-dis.jpg

[JohnThompson]

Nice job on the scarring, Kol!

Have you had a chance to work on the Hellboy model at all recently?

[E. Spears]

That's an awesome face, KWAK! The scars are perfect, as are the teeth.

-ERS

[KWAK!]

Nice job on the scarring, Kol!

Have you had a chance to work on the Hellboy model at all recently?


John, actually, I decided that the Lil' Hellboy model just wasn't going in the right direction. Last night I decided that once I finish Goon I'm gonna start on a BPRD project consisting of at least Hellboy (with corpse), Roger, Johann, abe, and probably lobster johnson...don't know if I'll try to do it the Mignola style, but guaranteed I'll be doing the comic costume.

[KWAK!]

Frankenstein! A quick model I'm making. Based on a design by the great sculptor, Alex Oliver (Website (http://www.alexoliver.art.br)):

http://student.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/frankenstein-WIP-1.jpg

[KWAK!]

i was bored tonight, and did a little paintover of mr.incredible.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/hellboy%203.jpg

[icbm1987]

Nice work Man...

That frankenstein looks cool... and that's a damn good paintover!

[KWAK!]

finally had some time to texture up my goon, still a WIP.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/goon-texturing-1.jpg

[jinnaboy]

hot DAMN!!! thats cool looking

[JohnThompson]

Hey Kol, great textures! They really give life to the model. Did you use displacement mapping for the veins?

If I could offer one bit of advice, I would suggest you stagger the front teeth. The two in the middle make him look a little buck-toothed and doofy. Kinda makes him look a little like a certain "wascilly wabbit". ;)

[KWAK!]

the veins are done using normal mapping, it's similar to displacement mapping, except that it doesn't actually subdivide the geometry. Very fast for rendering.

As for the teeth, Powell was pretty happy with these teeth, so I don't know if I'm going to alter them, he is supposed to be buck toothed, and a bit doofy, as far as I know.

[JohnThompson]

I re-read my last post, and realize it could be taken negatively. I truly meant no offense, and I hope you didn't take it as such. It's cool that Powell likes your model, but as a fellow artist doing your interpretation of the character, what really matters is that you like it. I'm no authority, and my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.

I hope there's no hard feelings over my comments above.

[fitzroy]

Very cool Goon, and (unusually) I agree with JT on the teeth. They do look a tad strange.

[KWAK!]

I re-read my last post, and realize it could be taken negatively. I truly meant no offense, and I hope you didn't take it as such. It's cool that Powell likes your model, but as a fellow artist doing your interpretation of the character, what really matters is that you like it. I'm no authority, and my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's.

I hope there's no hard feelings over my comments above.

ah no, no worries, I been getting lots of 'what's with the teeth?' comments on various forums, so I'm just getting used to writing such a response. But yeah, I'm gonna see how they look textured, then I'll decide whether to tone them down or push them up into his mouth a bit. I personally am fairly happy with them, though they do look out of place next to the fully textured face.

cheers,
-K.

[KWAK!]

doing a hellboy model, he's gonna have the comic trench and shorts, and no swirly runes.

http://student.vfs.com/~3d44kol/Pic_MiN/hellboy-wip-new.jpg

[gary bolt]

Wow Kwak!, that's awesome. I thought your Goon was great, too. But this one is just so much more Hellrific. I really have no idea how you create these models.

[Leo]

Love the rendering yer doing, unfortunately, not much time to analyse it. Thing I could say though.. perhaps bigger feet? Thing I've spotted with kids due to grow tall, their feet always seem to sprout first. It would add to the "throwing off normality", and put him out of proportion a bit.

Happy rendering!

[heavysoul]

wow, these are all so great. the goon is awesome. the teeth don't bother me at all... they should be all jacked up [as you've done them]. brilliant work.

[KWAK!]

don't know how many folks here are batman fans, here's a model I'm getting close to finishing up.

cheers.

-K.

http://www.kolbyjukes.com/images/work/batman/batman-24.jpg

[JohnThompson]

don't know how many folks here are batman fans, here's a model I'm getting close to finishing up.
DAMN! That's amazing, Kolby! Great modeling and texturing! I wish the movie costumes were more like this, instead of more rubber armor.

[Johann]

Wow, i guess i missed most of this thread, I remember the Lil' HB but damn I missed the Goon, -which is incredible and Bats is astounding, nice start on HB.

[icbm1987]

Batman=BRILLIANT!!!

[KWAK!]

thought some of you might enjoy seeing this model I'm working on.

http://www.kolbyjukes.com/images/work/Hellboy/hellbo.gif

[E. Spears]

That Bats is wicked dude. And the new hellboy is totally rocking thus far. You MUST post the finished deal, man.

Great stuff, all of the time.

-ers

[KWAK!]

this is an updated pic of bats:

http://kolbyjukes.com/portfolio/albums/THE-BATMAN/batman_3.jpg

[JohnThompson]

I've been wondering where you've been, Kolby! You've been putting your time to good use, I see! The Hellboy looks absolutely amazing, and that Batman render is simply gorgeous! I want a poster of that! Please! The lighting is beautiful!!

[KWAK!]

John, thanks man, The batman pic was rendered out at pretty lowrez, but I been thinking bout going back and doing a poster size render. At the very least I'm getting a bust rapid-prototyped, some guys at work have been after me about that for months now.

cheers,
-Kol.

[Runcible]

Can't believe it!!! Found KWAK on another board! The Dark Horse crowd must be moving over or moonlighting on the CBR board...heh heh.

As usual, great job on all the models. It's nice to see the same care and attention to detail going on in the HB stuff as well as The Goon. Keep doin' what you're doin Jukes...it's all freakin' amazing!

[KWAK!]

I've started working on a Mignola styled Hellboy tonight.
Right now I'm mostly referencing the Mezco 7" and 18" and JT's bust, and the art of HB.
Anyway, I'm gonna be working on this pretty frequently over the next few days, I could always use a fresh pair of eyes, so crits are welcome.

Once I get the whole body down, I'm gonna tweak the model while referencing conquerer worm, then onto the coat and belt.

The RHOD is an old model, so the structure on the hand is totally messed up. Gonna remodel that later.

http://www.kolbyjukes.com/images/work/Hellboy/Hellboy.jpg

[Lilitu]

Wow!
Great work, but..I can't see the ears...they are so distinctive!And i think that would cool to see veins on his arms, even isn't a characteristic of Mignola drawing, but it would give a sense of muscolar power.