The Spectacular Spider-Man animated series

[Sabrinaset]

Where are you getting that Fox owns the rights to Kingpin?

Maybe because of the Daredevil movie? I dunno ... I don't remember if Fox made that movie though.


How is Rhino supposed to use the bathroom if the suit is so sealed he can't even sweat?

Maaaan, I was wondering the same thing! I can't remember if they said in the Marvel Handbook once that the Rhino went to the bathroom using either a hidden flap or a dimensional probe, but I do remember one entry explaining it.

And Heart of Ice ... I can't remember a better animated episode of anything right now from Marvel or DC either, outside of the Justice Lords two-parter. My brain is kinda fuzzy ATM. But when you make Mr. Freeze tragic and interesting ...

In any event, it's still too early to say if Spectacular Spider-Man will be as good or better than Batman: TAS, but I don't mind sticking around to find out, and that's really all that matters.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

One thing this show has over BTAS so far is that it`s CONSISTENT. So far, every single episode has been good. BTAS on the other hand, had quite a few stinkers in between the good stuff. I own all the DVD sets, and there`s a lot of completely skippable episodes.

I love BTAS, but if SSM continues to deliver a good episode EVERY TIME like it has so far, then SSM can surpass it.

[vazel]

I'm sure if it racks up the 109 episodes Batman:TAS did Spectacular will have its stinkers here and there too.

[Preus]

Well, for all we know, we could end up eing totally wrong, this series, as of right now, in my eyes has the potential to surpass B:TAS, it's just a matter of whether or not the people working on the series will capitalize on that potential and use it wisely. The main thing they need to avoid will be rushing the show like TAS of the 1990's. Looking back, that series felt a bit too rushed, I hope I don't have that same feeling with this series.

[Black Atom]

I really dig this show. I think it's a great cartoon. But Batman: TAS was a good show in general. I would watch episodes with my mom.

[Preus]

It's too bad that with B:TAS they didn't keep the style they had for the first season. I don't see why they felt they needed to "update" everything, it was fine the way it was.

[Black Atom]

It's too bad that with B:TAS they didn't keep the style they had for the first season. I don't see why they felt they needed to "update" everything, it was fine the way it was.

I think they just simplified the designs for the sake of animation. Some of the Batman: TAS episodes were animated magnificently poorly (the first Clayface episode pops to mind) which is really one of the few bad things one could say about the show.

[Pauly T]

Simpler models are easier to keep ON-model...

[Preus]

I think they just simplified the designs for the sake of animation. Some of the Batman: TAS episodes were animated magnificently poorly (the first Clayface episode pops to mind) which is really one of the few bad things one could say about the show.

Really? I thought that for the most part Batman: TAS had some pretty damn good animation. It certainly has the best superhero cartoon animation to date (excluding Spider-Man: TAS animation of course). Still, if they would've kept those designs and that style, it could've certainly been improved upon. Agreed?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

There were two reasons.

First, like already said, the simpler deigns were easier to animate. Same reason most cartoons these days have less-detailed, more stylisti designs.

Second, to match Superman: The Animated Series, to give the DC cartoons a shared style, as the two shows were connected and crossed over multiple times.

[Toku King]

Really? I thought that for the most part Batman: TAS had some pretty damn good animation. It certainly has the best superhero cartoon animation to date (excluding Spider-Man: TAS animation of course). Still, if they would've kept those designs and that style, it could've certainly been improved upon. Agreed?

I think the best animation lied within "Justice League Unlimited".

[Huh?]

I think the best animation lied within "Justice League Unlimited".I agree with you.

DC has done a really good job of evolving their animation style over the last 15 years. The quality seems to go up with each new show.

B: TAS had good animation for its time, but when compared to JLU or even LOSH, you can see the jump in quality.

Marvel has had traditionally bad animation, but Spectacular Spider-Man appears to have changed that.

[Optimus]

So I watched Saturday's Lizard episode. I realize it's a rerun but I hadn't seen it. Spidey first fights the Lizard in a mall where he's just randomly trying to eat people. The fight gets dragge to the subway where Spidey ultimately gets knocked off the Subway by the Lizard who is still on the car. Spidey just sits there and licks his wounds rather than webslinging back to the subway car! Realistically speaking every person on that car is dead now, because the Lizard is there all by himself! WtF Spidey?!

[Black Atom]

Really? I thought that for the most part Batman: TAS had some pretty damn good animation. It certainly has the best superhero cartoon animation to date (excluding Spider-Man: TAS animation of course). Still, if they would've kept those designs and that style, it could've certainly been improved upon. Agreed?

Again, it was wildly inconsistent. Seek out the first Clayface two-parter for example. The first episode was animated horribly. Horribly. The second part had superb animation that would hold up just fine next to shows like JLU.

[StoneGold]

I agree with you.

DC has done a really good job of evolving their animation style over the last 15 years. The quality seems to go up with each new show.

B: TAS had good animation for its time, but when compared to JLU or even LOSH, you can see the jump in quality.

Marvel has had traditionally bad animation, but Spectacular Spider-Man appears to have changed that.

Interesting little thing, JLU had the best animation, but the least character detail. You could probably say much the same thing about the new Spidey series.


Except maybe on Spidey himself. Ye gods, there are a lot of little lines on that costume.

[metalhead_dave743]

Again, it was wildly inconsistent. Seek out the first Clayface two-parter for example. The first episode was animated horribly. Horribly. The second part had superb animation that would hold up just fine next to shows like JLU.

I'll agree with you whole heartedly there. Some Episodes like the second Ninja Episode and the "Blind as a Bat" episode had some really poor half assed "Animaniacs" style animation.

But then episodes like "On Leather Wings," and the already mentioned second Clayface Epi were freaking awesome, as well as Mask of the Phantasm(but that's a movie so I'd expect it to be damn good). I think the first "Robin's Reckoning" was animated great too but I can't remember because I haven't seen it in awhile.

[Sean Whitmore]

Again, it was wildly inconsistent. Seek out the first Clayface two-parter for example. The first episode was animated horribly. Horribly. The second part had superb animation that would hold up just fine next to shows like JLU.

BTAS utilized a lot of different studios. The second part of the Clayface show was done by one called TMS, I believe. One of the better ones, but unfortunately not one they got a lot of episodes out of.

With these new shows like The Batman and Spidey, I don't know how they keep everything as consistent as they do. Either they're sticking to one studio, or they've found a way to make every studio they use stay exactly on-model for every episode.


SEAN

[StoneGold]

BTAS utilized a lot of different studios. The second part of the Clayface show was done by one called TMS, I believe. One of the better ones, but unfortunately not one they got a lot of episodes out of.

With these new shows like The Batman and Spidey, I don't know how they keep everything as consistent as they do. Either they're sticking to one studio, or they've found a way to make every studio they use stay exactly on-model for every episode.


SEAN
I'm guessing that somehow, computers help.

[Sean Whitmore]

I'm guessing that somehow, computers help.

Tis a marvelous age we live in.


SEAN

[Preus]

BTAS utilized a lot of different studios. The second part of the Clayface show was done by one called TMS, I believe. One of the better ones, but unfortunately not one they got a lot of episodes out of.

With these new shows like The Batman and Spidey, I don't know how they keep everything as consistent as they do. Either they're sticking to one studio, or they've found a way to make every studio they use stay exactly on-model for every episode.


SEAN

One thing I've always wondered about cartoons is do they reanimate the opening of the show for each episode or do they keep the same one?

[Stretch Dude]

One thing I've always wondered about cartoons is do they reanimate the opening of the show for each episode or do they keep the same one?

They use the same intro over and over, unless a new season or plot development dictates a change. 'Cause it's, you know, the less expensive choice.

[Preus]

Yeah, that's the best way to go to but I hope we get a new intro next season but with the same song.

[Preus]

I felt that the Green Goblin was handled really well. Much better than I originally projected.

[nervmeister]

Yeah, that's the best way to go to but I hope we get a new intro next season but with the same song.I pray to God that you're joking about that. :mad:

[Toku King]

I pray to God that you're joking about that. :mad:

The song's really catchy.

[nervmeister]

The song's really catchy.So is the flu, malaria, and The Macarena. But that doesn't make them good.

[Preus]

Just as you have the right to hate the song, we have the right to like the song.

[nervmeister]

Just as you have the right to hate the song, we have the right to like the song.Like hell you do! (puts on dictator face and calls in secret police) :tongue:

[Preus]

You snitch! :tongue:

[nervmeister]

You snitch! :tongue:No. I'm a patriot!. Now off to work camp with you! :tongue:

[Ragnorok64]

I enjoyed the latest episode, but can anyone tell me when/where Harry got that green formula?

[nervmeister]

I enjoyed the latest episode, but can anyone tell me when/where Harry got that green formula?He stole it from his dad's medication cabinet.

[Ragnorok64]

He stole it from his dad's medication cabinet.

When was this?

[nervmeister]

When was this?In a previous episode.

[Ragnorok64]

In a previous episode.

Which one? What was the villian in the episode that he stole it in? I'm trying to figure out if I've missed an episode somehow or if it just slipped my mind when this happened.

[nervmeister]

Which one? What was the villian in the episode that he stole it in? I'm trying to figure out if I've missed an episode somehow or if it just slipped my mind when this happened.It was the Kraven episode.

[Angelus II]

It was the Kraven episode.

Kraven wasn't in this yet. Only the Vulture, Electro, the Lizard, Sandman, Rhino, Shocker, Tombstone, and now the Green Goblin.

No Kraven.

[Ragnorok64]

Kraven wasn't in this yet. Only the Vulture, Electro, the Lizard, Sandman, Rhino, Shocker, Tombstone, and now the Green Goblin.

No Kraven.

Thanks, I thought I was going crazy there because I remembered nothing of a Kraven.

So can anyone that knows what they're talking about tell me when, where and how Harry got the formula?

[nervmeister]

Thanks, I thought I was going crazy there because I remembered nothing of a Kraven.

So can anyone that knows what they're talking about tell me when, where and how Harry got the formula?He got it from his dad's medication cabinet during the football tryouts in the episode "Competition" in order to buff himself up.

[Preus]

We still can't be sure that Harry is the Goblin, the ending of the episode shows that.

[Toku King]

We still can't be sure that Harry is the Goblin, the ending of the episode shows that.

He's not the Goblin, obviously. The producers aren't that bold, nor stupid.

[Nefarius]

I believe they gonna make Harry a junkie,like in comics.It will be more tragic for Norman when he'll realise that his son turned into a drug addict thanks to his inventions(and his bad attidute as a parent).

[Stretch Dude]

I believe they gonna make Harry a junkie,like in comics.It will be more tragic for Norman when he'll realise that his son turned into a drug addict thanks to his inventions(and his bad attidute as a parent).

I don't know... Harry had that Osborn smirk on his face after he walked in on Norman and Hammerhead's last meeting. They're gonna do something with that, I can feel it. It'd be interesting to see Harry out-bastard his own father for once.

[Toku King]

I don't know... Harry had that Osborn smirk on his face after he walked in on Norman and Hammerhead's last meeting. They're gonna do something with that, I can feel it. It'd be interesting to see Harry out-bastard his own father for once.

Bah! The original Green Goblin will always be supreme!

[Preus]

I would prefer for Norman to be the GG at first but if it's Harry, I don't have a big deal with that. There are a lot of things going towards Harry being the GG so that'd be cool.

[Acecool]

I would prefer for Norman to be the GG at first but if it's Harry, I don't have a big deal with that. There are a lot of things going towards Harry being the GG so that'd be cool.

I think it would be interesting to reverse order the goblins. Have harry become the goblin and then norman can blame spider-man/peter for his son's down fall.

However, nothing I saw was conclusive. They kept the ID of the goblin a secret intentionally, only hinting that it could be harry, and us comic book guys would debate this very thing. Either way, it keeps us interested. It wouldn't be much fun if we always knew what was going to happen next.

[Preus]

That's what makes the Goblin episode my favorite, it has that level of mystery that keeps you interested and it doesn't seem like they intend on letting us know his identity anytime soon.

[Nefarius]

I love how the series took elements from Lee-Ditko run.The Goblin mystery was delived well,we have the Big Man(i believe Foswell is the Big Man,like in comivs).The only thing missing is the crime-master and his alliance with the Green Goblin.

[Preus]

We'll also be getting Doc Ock today as well and I'm hoping that he causes a hell of a lot of havoc.

[Stretch Dude]

I loves me some good old-fashioned villain-rantage, and Ock had it in spades. :biggrin:

[Preus]

Yep, the guy was just crazy, and he was badass too, I loved the ep. I can't wait to see the Green Goblin next week, should be good.

[Von Zombie]

This cartoon is kicking ass. I didn't think I was going to like it at all when I first saw the character designs. I'm glad I tuned in.

[Preus]

I've never had a problem with the character designs, I'm glad they didn't go for more realistic character designs, it's turned out pretty well thus far.

[Von Zombie]

Peter's face still kind of bugs me a bit, but other than that, I dig the designs now.

[Preus]

None of the designs bug me. Btw, anyone else agree that it's nice to see the character's in different attires and the character's attending different places in each episode? This series has far surpassed the 1990's animated series in my eyes.

[Stretch Dude]

I'm not sure what's a bigger break from tradition: Harry being the Goblin or Norman revealing that he actually cares about his son.

[Toku King]

Norman has always cared about his son. It was hard to see, but it was there. It took Spider-Man showing Norman his son dying of drug overdose to turn the green meanie into a crying mess.

[Nefarius]

Norman use his son as a stand in,like Roderick Kingsley used Ned Leeds.I predict that maybe Harry would be the Hobgoblin in this series(to take his revenge from his evil father).

[nervmeister]

I'm not sure what's a bigger break from tradition: Harry being the Goblin or Norman revealing that he actually cares about his son.Don't be fooled. It's a trick.

BTW, am I the only one who noticed a white-haired costumed female in the ep who looked an awful lot like Black Cat?

[Preus]

Everyone should've noticed that. I watched the episode a few hours ago and I love that they broke tradition and made Harry the first GG. It was also touching to see that Norman actually cared for Harry more than we ever suspected.

I'm hyped for next week's episode because we'll be getting symbiote Spidey. I'll be staying up late so I can see the episode when it first airs. :cool:

[nervmeister]

Everyone should've noticed that. I watched the episode a few hours ago and I love that they broke tradition and made Harry the first GG. It was also touching to see that Norman actually cared for Harry more than we ever suspected.NO!! It's all a godless lie orchestrated by Norman Osborn, the true MF-ing Green Goblin!

[Preus]

Yeah, anyway, I suspect that Norman will soon take up the mantle of the Green Goblin and hopefully it'll be soon. Either that or Harry won't change his drug abusing ways.

[nervmeister]

Yeah, anyway, I suspect that Norman will soon take up the mantle of the Green Goblin and hopefully it'll be soon. Either that or Harry won't change his drug abusing ways.HARRY NEVER WAS THE GREEN GOBLIN, GODDAMMIT!!! :evilangry:

[Preus]

If you're going to spam, get the hell out of this thread.

[nervmeister]

If you're going to spam, get the fuck out of this thread.Dude, how the hell is Harry supposed to know who the Big Man really is? Plus, the goblin formula is supposed to be inhaled in gas form in order for the performance-enhancing effects to take place. Harry never showed any instances of those results until this episode, and that's probably because Norman doped up his son, shoved him into a strength-enhancing suit resembling what he, the real Green Goblin wears, and left his ass asleep on the couch while he went off to raise hell. It's all a clever ploy to throw Spidey off!

[Preus]

Yeah, I think it's ignore time.

[nervmeister]

Yeah, I think it's ignore time.Preus, you know I'm right.

[Preus]

You're not right about shit, everything was explained in the episode, you're just spamming as always.

[nervmeister]

You're not right about shit, everything was explained in the episode, you're just spamming as always.It just seemed too obvious. And please dont be mad at me. You and I had fun together on the AVP:R thread, remember?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Preus, methinks you need to calm down a little bit.

Honestly, there's enough evidence to suggest that Norman COULD have been behind it all. At this point it could go either way.

[nervmeister]

Preus, methinks you need to calm down a little bit.

Eh, I kind of didn't help Preus's mood much. Probably because I was too staggered by the idea that the show's creators could commit a huge taboo and have Harry be the Goblin instead of his old man. And Preus, if you're there, sorry that I got on your nerves.

[Ragnorok64]

Eh, I kind of didn't help Preus's mood much. Probably because I was too staggered by the idea that the show's creators could commit a huge taboo and have Harry be the Goblin instead of his old man. And Preus, if you're there, sorry that I got on your nerves.

How is doing something different in a completely separate continuity so staggering?

[nervmeister]

How is doing something different in a completely separate continuity so staggering?Let me put it this way. Having Harry be the Green Goblin is like having Uncle Ben burst from his grave to do the James Brown dance on top of the Daily Bugle.

[Stretch Dude]

Let me put it this way. Having Harry be the Green Goblin is like having Uncle Ben burst from his grave to do the James Brown dance on top of the Daily Bugle.

Not really... Now if Gwen was the Goblin, yeah.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Let me put it this way. Having Harry be the Green Goblin is like having Uncle Ben burst from his grave to do the James Brown dance on top of the Daily Bugle.

No...not really. Not at all. There's already precedent for Harry as the Goblin. This is more like how "The Batman" did Batgirl before Robin. They didn't make a huge change, they changed the order of how things usually happen.

[Nefarius]

Let me put it this way. Having Harry be the Green Goblin is like having Uncle Ben burst from his grave to do the James Brown dance on top of the Daily Bugle.

Well,THAT'S a scene i would love to see.:biggrin:

[Nefarius]

Let me put it this way. Having Harry be the Green Goblin is like having Uncle Ben burst from his grave to do the James Brown dance on top of the Daily Bugle.

Well,THAT'S a scene i would love to see.:biggrin:

[andy khouri]

This weekend's new episode of "The Spectacular Spider-Man" debuts not only the alien symbiote that alters Spidey's color scheme, but also the lovely Black Cat, voiced by "Battlestar Galactica's" Tricia Helfer.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16429

[Toku King]

Now why in the world did they add web lines? The opening title and action figures don't show it, and I liked it that way.
Yup, they're taking too much from the movies(though I did like them).

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Now why in the world did they add web lines? The opening title and action figures don't show it, and I liked it that way.
Yup, they're taking too much from the movies(though I did like them).

It's a tiny detail that really doesn't matter at all.

[Scavenger]

Now why in the world did they add web lines? The opening title and action figures don't show it, and I liked it that way.
Yup, they're taking too much from the movies(though I did like them).

The lines likely work better for animation as well. Lets them show movement, gestures, twists.


I'm a little concerned about how quickly they're going thru plot lines. This week, Chameleon, Black Cat, AND the costume? There's still the Big Man story, which I can't imagine its that Tombstone is the "Big Man"..it was given away too easily, and I've read the original story:biggrin:

[Toku King]

It's a tiny detail that really doesn't matter at all.

To you, only.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

To you, only.

I'm more worried about story and writing and voice acting and action scenes than wether or not lines are on a costume.

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.

[Stretch Dude]

I'm more worried about story and writing and voice acting and action scenes than wether or not lines are on a costume.

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.

You bet your spandex you're not.

[Toku King]

I'm more worried about story and writing and voice acting and action scenes than wether or not lines are on a costume.

I'm pretty sure I'm not alone there.

Never said it was worse. I'm just saying that I would've preferred them to just use black.

[Black Atom]

No...not really. Not at all. There's already precedent for Harry as the Goblin. This is more like how "The Batman" did Batgirl before Robin. They didn't make a huge change, they changed the order of how things usually happen.

That's like saying having Greedo shoot first merely "changes the order of how things happen". Having Harry be the original Goblin is actually quite a substantial change.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

That's like saying having Greedo shoot first merely "changes the order of how things happen". Having Harry be the original Goblin is actually quite a substantial change.

Except this is a brand new continuity and a brand new take on the story. Lucas changed the actual original movie. They didn't reprint the original comics with Harry under the mask instead.

God, people, it's a new take and changes have been made. Montana is Shocker. Tombstone is Big Man. Gwen's a nerd. Eddie is Peter's friend. Harry is the Goblin.

Things being different doesn't make them BAD. The series has been extremely well-written and well-acted since it started, with great animation, great action, and a great sense of continuity. THAT is what matters.

[Toku King]

Except this is a brand new continuity and a brand new take on the story. Lucas changed the actual original movie. They didn't reprint the original comics with Harry under the mask instead.

God, people, it's a new take and changes have been made. Montana is Shocker. Tombstone is Big Man. Gwen's a nerd. Eddie is Peter's friend. Harry is the Goblin.

Things being different doesn't make them BAD. The series has been extremely well-written and well-acted since it started, with great animation, great action, and a great sense of continuity. THAT is what matters.

They messed with smaller things up to this point, though. Norman being the original Goblin is one of the biggest plot points in Spider-Man history.
Let's change the Lizard in Curt's son, then. How's that sound?

[Astonishing X-Fan]

If they can write a good story about Curt's son becoming The Lizard, why not?

I hate this "change is automatically bad" mentality.

You have yet to say WHY it's a bad story beyond "it's different!"

[Toku King]

If they can write a good story about Curt's son becoming The Lizard, why not?

I hate this "change is automatically bad" mentality.

You have yet to say WHY it's a bad story beyond "it's different!"

Because it's an adaption! And for once, I want a television series that does it right! You're too willing to have stuff changed!

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Norman is still a sleazeball criminal businessman.

Harry is still desperate for his father's love and attention. With an addiction problem.

The Green Goblin is still a crazed psycho personality of one of the Osborns.

Everyone is in-character.

There also happens to be plenty of evidence to suggest that it really was Norman anyway, and he set Harry up to take the fall. Regardless, the story makes sense either way.

But seriously, this is not the radical departure that you make it out to be. It's not like they picked someone random to be the Goblin. Harry Osborn has plenty of history as the Green Goblin. And in the context of this series and the various plot threads, him becoming the Goblin makes sense.

It's not an adaption any more than the movie series or Ultimate Spider-Man. If you're expecting everything to play out exactly as it does in the original comics, you might as well stop watching right now and just read the original comics.

[Ragnorok64]

Because it's an adaption! And for once, I want a television series that does it right! You're too willing to have stuff changed!

That still doesn't address what's actually bad about it. It's a completely different continuity. American super hero cartoons have never been about perfectly recreating what happened in the comic. You;ll need to look to anime based on manga if that's what you want. Or just reread the comics.

They have done tons of Spider-Man shows, changes and twists are welcome, especially when they are well done like this.

[Ragnorok64]

Because it's an adaption! And for once, I want a television series that does it right! You're too willing to have stuff changed!

That still doesn't address what's actually bad about it. It's a completely different continuity. American super hero cartoons have never been about perfectly recreating what happened in the comic. You;ll need to look to anime based on manga if that's what you want. Or just reread the comics.

They have done tons of Spider-Man shows, changes and twists are welcome, especially when they are well done like this.

[Stretch Dude]

Because it's an adaption! And for once, I want a television series that does it right! You're too willing to have stuff changed!

Ah, the good ol' They Changed It Now It Sucks (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheyChangedItNowItSucks) mentality.

[StoneGold]

Because it's an adaption! And for once, I want a television series that does it right! You're too willing to have stuff changed!

Except it's always going to be that way, because a different animation studio has the rights to the FF, and you can't do ASM #1 without the FF.

For that matter, you're going to need to keep the whole thing in the 60s for the first couple years if you want to play it straight.

[Preus]

You bet your spandex you're not.

Yeah, I hate when people nit-pick over small things, especially lines on a costume.

Btw, I love the addition of the webs under Spidey's arms.

[Black Atom]

Except this is a brand new continuity and a brand new take on the story. Lucas changed the actual original movie. They didn't reprint the original comics with Harry under the mask instead.

God, people, it's a new take and changes have been made. Montana is Shocker. Tombstone is Big Man. Gwen's a nerd. Eddie is Peter's friend. Harry is the Goblin.

Things being different doesn't make them BAD. The series has been extremely well-written and well-acted since it started, with great animation, great action, and a great sense of continuity. THAT is what matters.

I get wanting to defend the show, but...Jesus, people can have an opinion about personal preferences and whatnot like how the costumes look.

And I didnt' say it was bad, but it is a siginificant change. Sometimes change is good (I think the small changes made to Spidey's origin in the movie actually improved on the original). Sometimes change sucks (see Spider-Man: Chapter One) and sometimes change is just change. Time will tell how this one works out.

[Black Atom]

Yeah, I hate when people nit-pick over small things, especially lines on a costume.

Btw, I love the addition of the webs under Spidey's arms.

I don't like the lines on the costume, either. Mostly because the real black costume just looks much cooler. It's not a nit-pick, it's just a preference. It doesn't mean I can't appreciate the rest of the show--I simply would've preferred they used the original costume because I like it more. In fact, as much as I like the show, there are quite a few MINOR things that'd make me like it even more had they done them differently.

[StoneGold]

So wait, has Norman knocked up Gwen yet?

[nickmarino]

i'm looking forward to this black suit spidey (though the weblines are a disappointment). as much as the show bugs me here and there, it's overall pretty good. in fact, i can't think of any marvel animated series that i would place above it. and finally this weekend - chameleon!!

[Preus]

We're getting the Chameleon? I wonder how they're going to handle him. Btw, any word on if the Scorpion will appear in this show?

[Sean Whitmore]

We're getting the Chameleon? I wonder how they're going to handle him. Btw, any word on if the Scorpion will appear in this show?

I'm looking forward to Scorpion as well, but I must say that introducing Venom first (which, admittedly, I'm only assuming is what will happen) undercuts his whole "I'm a stronger version of you" bag.


SEAN

[metalhead_dave743]

I'm looking forward to Scorpion as well, but I must say that introducing Venom first (which, admittedly, I'm only assuming is what will happen) undercuts his whole "I'm a stronger version of you" bag.


SEAN

There's still the whole backstory of Jameson creating him to bring Spidey to justice that's open for use.

[Sean Whitmore]

There's still the whole backstory of Jameson creating him to bring Spidey to justice that's open for use.

That's true. And I'd rather they use Scorpion in that slot than the spider slayers, anyway.


SEAN

[Preus]

The spider slayers were annoying and pretty boring to me, I'd much rather we get Scorpion and actually have him as a recurring villain. The same can be said for the Rhino.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Rhino already had an episode, a pretty good one, too.

[Preus]

I know, but what I was saying was that he should be a recurring villain and not one that's forgotten about. The Rhino episode was just pure gold, I loved every minute of it. Hell, I don't have a problem with any of the episodes and I know I'm going to enjoy the first symbiote episode tomorrow.

[lonewolf23k]

Rhino already had an episode, a pretty good one, too.

Agreed. I like that they actually made him into the powerhouse he's supposed to be, as opposed to a cheaply disposed-of gag villain like he currently is in the comics.

[Sean Whitmore]

Agreed. I like that they actually made him into the powerhouse he's supposed to be, as opposed to a cheaply disposed-of gag villain like he currently is in the comics.

It'll happen in the show too.

It's just the Law of Diminishing Powerhouses in effect. Even the best of shows can't avoid it. (I'm looking at you, Batman the Animated Series).


SEAN

[Arachnid]

I hope they do something good with Chamaleon. I hated the dude like no one else in comics. If they can manage to make him interesting enough for me to enjoy him, I will be impressed.

Also, about the weblines on the costume. I don't like them much either, but only for the same reason that Black Atom had. No weblines looks so much cooler than with it, but cant win them all, right?

As for the scorpion, I'm looking forward to him too. I cant wait to see how they handle him!

[Deep_Sleeper]

What's the consensus of this cartoon?

Good? Bad? Average?

[Stretch Dude]

What's the consensus of this cartoon?

Good? Bad? Average?

In the words of the thinkbox occupying my headbone? Good. Quite good.

[Preus]

I'd say this show is....spectacular.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

What's the consensus of this cartoon?

Good? Bad? Average?

Blows all the other Spidey cartoons away.

[Agent Helix]

Blows all the other Spidey cartoons away.

Not exactly a Herculean feat.

[Johnny_Luck]

Blows all the other Spidey cartoons away.

Maybe the 60's show yeah, but the 90's designs and stories and voice acting still have it beat pretty bad.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Maybe the 60's show yeah, but the 90's designs and stories and voice acting still have it beat pretty bad.

I'm just gonna say I disagree by a large, large margin and leave it at that.

[StoneGold]

I'm just gonna say I disagree by a large, large margin and leave it at that.

I'd say Ed Asner was a better Jonah, but as much because that was Asner's voice, and not someone doing a voice. And Asner was particularly brilliant casting. Efrem Zimbalist Jr. was also probably better as Doc Ock. And I did like Chris Barnes as Spidey, although I also really like the new guy. That said, the new Goblin is a lot better. Everyone else at the very least compares well. Although I am just talking about the voice work.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

The 90s show has terrible animation that is recycled over and over, it's censored all over the place, the pacing is terrible, the voice acting is inconsistant...it's just such a flawed, flawed show. Watching old episodes is just painful for me. BTAS is a show that aged well. Spider-Man 90s is just an average 90s cartoon that's a lot worse once the nostalgia goggles are off. It's not a BAD show, it's just overwhelmingly mediocre.

Spectacular so far has delivered top-quality VA work, animation, action sequences, pacing, and writing...and done it consistantly, every single episode.

[Toku King]

Maybe the 60's show yeah, but the 90's designs and stories and voice acting still have it beat pretty bad.

Not even close.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Another great episode. The Spidey vs. Black Cat fight/banter was perfect. I love the idea of Chameleon having techno and special effects wizards to help him create his illusions, setting us up for Tinkerer and Mysterio down the line.

[Howard Allan]

Is there any sign of his Spidey sense yet. If there is I haven't seen it. Chameleon mentioned it but we haven't seen it yet. I mean Chameleon walked right past Stacey and Spidey talking and ...Nothing? If he had it, It should have been driving him out of his mind at that point.

[lonewolf23k]

Is there any sign of his Spidey sense yet. If there is I haven't seen it. Chameleon mentioned it but we haven't seen it yet. I mean Chameleon walked right past Stacey and Spidey talking and ...Nothing? If he had it, It should have been driving him out of his mind at that point.

He's shown the Spider-Sense in past episodes, although mostly reacting to direct attacks.

[togeteiku42]

Another great episode. The Spidey vs. Black Cat fight/banter was perfect. I love the idea of Chameleon having techno and special effects wizards to help him create his illusions, setting us up for Tinkerer and Mysterio down the line.

So, I'm assuming that one of the guys helping Chameleon was Beck?

[Stretch Dude]

So, I'm assuming that one of the guys helping Chameleon was Beck?

He was specifically addressed as such, yes.

[togeteiku42]

He was specifically addressed as such, yes.

I must of missed it when they addressed him. Was he the one with the dark hair? I'm thinking they guy with the gray hair was Phineas.

[Preus]

The first symbiote episode was pretty damn good and I'm kind of glad there wasn't a lot of "the suit makes me evil now," if any of that was hinted at all. I've only watched the episode once.

[Sean Whitmore]

The first symbiote episode was pretty damn good and I'm kind of glad there wasn't a lot of "the suit makes me evil now," if any of that was hinted at all. I've only watched the episode once.

The hints were there, but fairly subtle. The most notable one was Peter rationalizing why it was okay for him to keep the symbiote.


SEAN

[Preus]

I hope they don't delve too much into that, I'd much rather see the story of him not wanting to be bonded with an alien.

[lonewolf23k]

The hints were there, but fairly subtle. The most notable one was Peter rationalizing why it was okay for him to keep the symbiote.


SEAN

Or at least we think it was Peter rationalizing away keeping the symbiote. I, for one, interpreted that scene as the Symbiote subtly influencing Peter's thinking, making him want to keep it...

[Pauly T]

Where was the dance number!?!?!?

[metalhead_dave743]

Where was the dance number!?!?!?

Don't worry, that's for the next episode.:biggrin:

[TomServoFan]

Fun show, i think they should throw some Marvel guests like "The Punisher", "Howard The Duck", "Hulk", "X-Men", "Daredevil", "Fantastic Four", "Iron Man", "Thor" etc.

[Preus]

It's too damn early to be introducing other superheroes.

[nervmeister]

In recent news: Eddie takes Mary Jane on a lovely joyride on his chopper all the while narrating his and Peter's life story as a duo together. And may I say that Brock is so cute when his eye twitches like that. Meanwhile, Spidey considers giving Dr. Octavius a generous helping of facial surgery. :biggrin:

Seriously though, that episode was dark, complete with heart attacks and bitterness.

[Toku King]

Anyone know where I can see the episode? The dude I watch them from isn't posting it for some reason.

[Sean Whitmore]

Seriously though, that episode was dark, complete with heart attacks and bitterness.

Just like a Hershey's candy bar!


SEAN

[nervmeister]

Just like a Hershey's candy bar!


SEANLOL! I feel like giving you a kiss for that awesome pun!.......

......But I'm fresh out of them so I'll let you have sex with me, instead. :biggrin:

[Black Atom]

This show continues to amaze. The love the creators have for this Spidey-mythos is apparent in each episode. If there's any downside to this show, it may be that they're running through many of Spidey's best stories too quickly. The Sinister Six could've been an extended arc--it seems like it was handled rather hastily. I also think the black costume was introduced a little soon. Still, these guys seem to know what they're doing and they seem to know enough about the Spidey mythos (right down to more obscure characters like Dr. Kafka, Hobie Brown and the gang bosses) that they could tell stories for a few seasons.

[Duy]

Hey guys,

There's a lot of pages here to sift through, so I'm just gonna ask, has there been news on whether or not this series will return next season?

Thanks.

[Pauly T]

This show continues to amaze. The love the creators have for this Spidey-mythos is apparent in each episode. If there's any downside to this show, it may be that they're running through many of Spidey's best stories too quickly. The Sinister Six could've been an extended arc--it seems like it was handled rather hastily. I also think the black costume was introduced a little soon. Still, these guys seem to know what they're doing and they seem to know enough about the Spidey mythos (right down to more obscure characters like Dr. Kafka, Hobie Brown and the gang bosses) that they could tell stories for a few seasons.


I really like the cohesion of the characters and the plots, like how instead of just random thugs, Spidey was duking it out with Sandman and Rhino in their pre-super-villain days. It makes the universe of the show seem very tight. It kind of reminds me of Gerry Conway's initial Firestorm run, right after his Spidey days, that was so quintessentially comicbooky in its presentation.

When my more casual Spider-fan friends ask me what's this show's like, all I've been saying is: "It's like if Stan (Lee) had a plan!" :wink:

[Ragnorok64]

I just watched the Group Therapy episode. This show is awesome plain and simple. Though I'll say that Eddy's change of heart seems a bit forced. Other than that it's grade A stuff.

[lonewolf23k]

I just watched the Group Therapy episode. This show is awesome plain and simple. Though I'll say that Eddy's change of heart seems a bit forced. Other than that it's grade A stuff.

Actually, Eddie's motivations seemed to make sense to me. Peter's been his friend as far back as he can remember now, and as far as he knows, it's now been twice that he's taken advantage of that friendship to take pictures for the Bugle, and in the process hurting the Connors, whom I believe Eddie's taken as a second family.

Once Eddie finds out Peter is Spidey (from the symbiote, of course), he's going to snap, and it ain't gonna be pretty...

[Ragnorok64]

Actually, Eddie's motivations seemed to make sense to me. Peter's been his friend as far back as he can remember now, and as far as he knows, it's now been twice that he's taken advantage of that friendship to take pictures for the Bugle, and in the process hurting the Connors, whom I believe Eddie's taken as a second family.

Once Eddie finds out Peter is Spidey (from the symbiote, of course), he's going to snap, and it ain't gonna be pretty...

Yeah that makes sense, but actively trying to take Mary Jane with the intent to hurt Peter then driving like a jerk with her on his bike? That seems totally out of character even for an angry Eddy.

[Acecool]

Yeah that makes sense, but actively trying to take Mary Jane with the intent to hurt Peter then driving like a jerk with her on his bike? That seems totally out of character even for an angry Eddy.

Yeah, that bit seemed a bit crazed, though not unexplainable. He could have been caught up in his recollection which caused him to be aggressive in his driving. He may no have even been paying attention to MJ.

[Preus]

At that point I think he was just completely focused on getting his side of the story out.

[nervmeister]

Real screwed up how Eddie bound and threatened the life of the very girl he took to the prom just to get at Pete.

Also, I laughed when Venom kept showing up at the window to Aunt May's hospital room only to be grabbed away by Spidey all the while Aunt May is oblivious to it.

[smartalek]

I really like how the show doesn't pull any punches when it comes to battle scenes. Peter takes a lot of damage, and the fights are really well paced. They are multidimensional, take advantage of his powers a lot.
Again, we have Spider-Man thinking on his feet, using his brain to defeat his villain.

[andy khouri]

The cast and crew of Kids' WB!'s "The Spectacular Spider-Man" met with fans at Comic-Con International to discuss the show's popular first season, tease developments for next year, and talk DVD releases.

http://comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=17508

[Pauly T]

Weisman announced that season one would be released as four DVDs, each one collecting a three or four-episode arc. “We tried as much as possible to write and art direct these as movies and we've cut them together to play as movies,” he said. The first arc will be “The Attack of the Lizard” and will come out in September. The DVDs will include additional footage that was cut either for time or content.

I'm not quite sure just how I feel about this. Bonus footage is nice, but the season spread out like this and reconfigured into movies just seems counterproductive. Plus, it's a blatant money grab by releasing four individual dvds certainly priced at bare minimum $10 a pop instead of about $20 for a season boxset.

[Toku King]

I hate that, and will be waiting for a season set.

[Hypestyle]

yeesh, wait until March for season 2 to air? ah well... too bad certain Sony folks are so uptight that they won't greenlight any more seasons yet..

[Dr. Chaos]

Wait...Gwen is still alive in season two?

Thats awesome, I really like what they've done with her.

I stopped watching around the time MJ appeared, comes on a lil too early for an old man like me.

[Toku King]

Wait...Gwen is still alive in season two?

Thats awesome, I really like what they've done with her.

I stopped watching around the time MJ appeared, comes on a lil too early for an old man like me.

You need to continue it. Seriously, MJ is a great add.

[Dr. Chaos]

You need to continue it. Seriously, MJ is a great add.
I doubt it.

I didn't drop it because of her (It's more of a time issue) but if versions of her in just about every version of Spider-Man I've read and seen are anything to go by, she's probably not all that interesting.

After a decade and a half of her, I'm pretty much sick of seeing her as Peter's designated girlfriend/love interest all over the place.

The character holds no value for me anymore.

[Toku King]

I doubt it.

I didn't drop it because of her (It's more of a time issue) but if versions of her in just about every version of Spider-Man I've read and seen are anything to go by, she's probably not all that interesting.

After a decade and a half of her, I'm pretty much sick of seeing her as Peter's designated girlfriend/love interest all over the place.

The character holds no value for me anymore.

Dude, the season ends with him getting with Gwen, not MJ. Besides, she's very likable and interesting on the show.

[Brett P]

Has this started to air in the UK yet?

[ZT4]

I doubt it.

I didn't drop it because of her (It's more of a time issue) but if versions of her in just about every version of Spider-Man I've read and seen are anything to go by, she's probably not all that interesting.

MJ is far more interesting than whiny man-eater/Goblin banger/older man-dependent Gwen, it's a miracle that the animated series has developed her into a bit of a "My Fair Lady" project for MJ and Peter. Ultimate Gwen Stacy was my favourate incarnation of the character, I wont be surprised if, by the time the three enter college, she's more of a ballsier badass than a bookworm

MJ doesnt go out of her way to become Peter's love interest here either. She's happy being his best friend, it was Peter that pushed for something deeper because he learned he really loved her. Wiesman loves the two together and WILL eventually pair them up, but he's doing it the way the comics built it up (best friends first, lovers later)

[Ravenheart]

I finally got to see this today when it started airing on Teletoon.The pilot story was pretty good but damn does the animation suck big time.The animation from the old 60's cartoon was better then this.

[Arachnid]

I finally got to see this today when it started airing on Teletoon.The pilot story was pretty good but damn does the animation suck big time.The animation from the old 60's cartoon was better then this.It gets better. Watch the Venom episode or the sinister 6 episode Or really, any episode besides the pilot one... Heres the fight with venom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSIBbkpX2F8&feature=related), and heres the sinister 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXyoIcKRzA).

[Toku King]

I finally got to see this today when it started airing on Teletoon.The pilot story was pretty good but damn does the animation suck big time.The animation from the old 60's cartoon was better then this.

I know this is supposed to be an opinion, but that is very, very, very incorrect.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

I finally got to see this today when it started airing on Teletoon.The pilot story was pretty good but damn does the animation suck big time.The animation from the old 60's cartoon was better then this.

You must be joking.

[arp2008]

You must be joking. I think he is.

[Sean Whitmore]

I finally got to see this today when it started airing on Teletoon.The pilot story was pretty good but damn does the animation suck big time.The animation from the old 60's cartoon was better then this.

You're confusing animation with character design, I think.


SEAN

[Kiden]

So when are new episodes going to air? This show is good stuff!

[Kaos]

I need more of this show like a crackfiend needs his next hit.

[Tien Long]

It gets better. Watch the Venom episode or the sinister 6 episode Or really, any episode besides the pilot one... Heres the fight with venom (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSIBbkpX2F8&feature=related), and heres the sinister 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXyoIcKRzA).

Woah, I never was interesting in watching this series before, but those fight scenes seem really, REALLY good. May actually return to Saturday morning viewing.

[Big Red Spider]

I think that did a great job on this show. The first episode I seen I thought, "Man, this theme sucks. It's way to slow for an action series." Now I catch myself singing it at work. It really gets me pumped.

[Kiden]

Yeah, that theme really grows on you after you've heard it a few times.

[nervmeister]

Yeah, that theme really grows on you after you've heard it a few times.Not for me. Thank god I have DVR.

[Tracer Bullet]

Dude, the season ends with him getting with Gwen, not MJ. Besides, she's very likable and interesting on the show.

Gwen has always been likable to some of us.

[Nefarius]

Gwen has always been likable to some of us.

I was never a fan of 616 Gwen but i completely adore animated Gwen.She's a more fleshed character than i would expect her to be.

[Tracer Bullet]

She's just the quasi-nerdy friend. And she looks like Debra Whitman. I like her alright on the show, but I don't see how she's any better than comic Gwen.

[Stretch Dude]

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=27545


The Marvel Animation Age is reporting that The Spectacular Spider-Man will be moving from the KidsWB block on the CW network to Disney's new Disney XD network, with the second season expected to premiere in March 2009. It is also expected that the first season will be run on Disney XD as well.

MAA also revealed that new episodes of The Spectacular Spider-Man will begin airing on Canada's Teletoon network starting in early 2009.

[arp2008]

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=27545 Is Disney XD on basic cable?

[Stretch Dude]

Is Disney XD on basic cable?

Disney XD is what Toon Disney is becoming in '09.

[ZT4]

She's just the quasi-nerdy friend. And she looks like Debra Whitman. I like her alright on the show, but I don't see how she's any better than comic Gwen.

Depends on which version of Gwen.

616 Gwen was an unstable nut-job, and Ultimate Gwen is the level-headed "big sister" to Peter (I suspect this is where the animated Gwen is heading too eventually, since Wiesman is pro-MJ)

Good call on the Deborah Whitman analogy though...the FOX series actually used her too, albiet more a straight-headed "I love a jock" type character though.

[kalorama]

Other than the recent JMS retcon, when was Gwen portrayed as an "unstable nut job"?

[togeteiku42]

http://news.toonzone.net/article.php?ID=27545

This is Horrible! Now the only way I can watch it is if people put it online.

[arp2008]

Disney XD is what Toon Disney is becoming in '09.
I don't have that channel. Oh well. Guess I'll have enjoy my Spectacular Spider-Man online.

[Tracer Bullet]

Depends on which version of Gwen.

616 Gwen was an unstable nut-job, and Ultimate Gwen is the level-headed "big sister" to Peter (I suspect this is where the animated Gwen is heading too eventually, since Wiesman is pro-MJ)

Good call on the Deborah Whitman analogy though...the FOX series actually used her too, albiet more a straight-headed "I love a jock" type character though.


Other than the recent JMS retcon, when was Gwen portrayed as an "unstable nut job"?

Exactly. I don't recall Gwen ever being unstable aside from that crap story.:confused:

[Duy]

Is it just me or does Mary Jane sound a lot like Eliza Dushku? I actually had to check to make sure.

[Tracer Bullet]

Probably just you. Dushku has a pretty distinct Boston accent.

[ZT4]

Other than the recent JMS retcon, when was Gwen portrayed as an "unstable nut job"?

Matter of opinion really. I just got that impression from the classic version in ASM who went from ice queen to needy girl, and back again. Felt she acted a little OTT sometimes.

Not that it's a negative with every version. She's a slightly edgy character in USM too...in a hot way.

[Tracer Bullet]

Matter of opinion really. I just got that impression from the classic version in ASM who went from ice queen to needy girl, and back again. Felt she acted a little OTT sometimes.

Well, she's a woman.

[Jigsaw]

When does the new season start?

Btw, was there ever confirmation on whether or not there'd be a third season as well?

[Stretch Dude]

When does the new season start?

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=8048987&postcount=424

[Jigsaw]

Coolness, though I did expect the show to move to Cartoon Network, not Disney.

[WyldCard4]

Recently watched the entire first season on my DVR.

Pretty good, the first few episodes were especially good and reminded me of the original Stan Lee issues, the villains were good and the show really felt like Spider-Man done well.

Only villain I disliked was Doc Ock of this universe, all the others I found to be interesting and the Shocker was my favorite revamp, I really thought they did the power level of the characters well.