Official NPD July results- Wii destroys competition

[Thorlief]

July whoops..Perry? :D


http://wii.ign.com/articles/815/815230p1.html

Top 10 SKU's for July
360 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 1 397k
PS2 GUITAR HERO ENCORE: ROCKS THE 80S ACTIVISION (CORP) 2 339k
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA 3 278k
PS2 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 4 236k
WII MARIO PARTY 8 NINTENDO OF AMERICA 5 177k
PS3 NCAA FOOTBALL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 6 156k
NDS POKEMON DIAMOND VERSION NINTENDO OF AMERICA 7 144k
PS2 TRANSFORMERS: THE GAME ACTIVISION (CORP) 8 143k
PS2 GUITAR HERO 2 W/GUITAR ACTIVISION (CORP) 9 138k
360 GUITAR HERO 2 W/ GUITAR ACTIVISION (CORP) 10 108k



July Hardware Figures
Wii 425 k
Nintendo DS 405 k
PlayStation 2 222k
PlayStation Portable 214k
Xbox 360 170k
PlayStation 3 159k
Game Boy Advance 87k

[The Fury]

It may have sold a lot more then others. But games wise, 360 and PS2 are still winning. PS2 still holds more then enough of the games market to make Sony money. Also, 200k PSPs aint' too bad.

[Perry Holley]

July whoops..Perry? :DYou're awfully high-maintenance, you know that? ;)

[Thorlief]

You're awfully high-maintenance, you know that? ;)

last time, I promise! :p

[Thorlief]

It may have sold a lot more then others. But games wise, 360 and PS2 are still winning. PS2 still holds more then enough of the games market to make Sony money. Also, 200k PSPs aint' too bad.

yes, i was wondering that too. The PS2 lasting power is still incredible, and so is the GBA one. I mean, who would buy a GBA when you can play the games on the DS?

[Xero Kaiser]

Good for the Wii.

It still doesn't have anything worth playing

[The Fury]

Good for the Wii.

It still doesn't have anything worth playing
Hey, now, it does have that game where you have lots and lots of mini-games like where you blow up balloons using the controller...or do hola hoop with the controller instead of doing it for real...or something.


yes, i was wondering that too. The PS2 lasting power is still incredible, and so is the GBA one. I mean, who would buy a GBA when you can play the games on the DS?
The PS2 thing is for one reason as far as I can tell, the fact still good games are being produced for it. Example, FF12 came out in the UK after the PS3 was released, why get a next gen when games are still being produced for it. Not only that, the games are cheaper.

[DaeJi]

Good for the Wii.

It still doesn't have anything worth playing

To be fair, it does usually take a system around a year to really come into it's own, and there are some decent games on the Wii (and one amazing game in Zelda). And with games like Metroid, SSBB, and Mario Galaxy coming out things are looking good for Wii owners.

[Thorlief]

Good for the Wii.

It still doesn't have anything worth playing

it's all about personal preferences. Mario Strikers is great fun, and so is Super Paper Mario, Zelda and even Harry Potter (casting spells with the 'mote is good fun).
It's going to change drastically tho, Metroid-next week-, Mario GOTC and SSBB are all coming out this year

Looks like Nintendo focused more on the casual gamer for the first nine months; they thought it would be the right move to do to become the leader again. Now that even the hardcore are getting the games they want I can say they were right

[Black Atom]

The most shocking thing is that it beat out the DS. Isn't that the first time that's happened since, like the DS launch?

[Thorlief]

probably.
I dont know much about US sales, but I thought the DS and the PSP were much closer in the americas than in Japan (where the DS manages to sell 450k per month since..well, a long time)

[Thorlief]

the Wii has officially sold more than the 360 (in nine months)

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,870,000
Japan - 3,424,139
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,615,000

TOTAL - 10,361,287
______

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,250,000
Japan - 402,381
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,950,000

TOTAL - 10,200,937

[Black Atom]

probably.
I dont know much about US sales, but I thought the DS and the PSP were much closer in the americas than in Japan (where the DS manages to sell 450k per month since..well, a long time)

Well, the DS and PSP have been out-selling the home consoles pretty consistently. Until now, I guess.

[The Fury]

the Wii has officially sold more than the 360 (in nine months)

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,870,000
Japan - 3,424,139
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,615,000

TOTAL - 10,361,287
______

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,250,000
Japan - 402,381
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,950,000

TOTAL - 10,200,937
Any chance we can get PS2 and PS3 sales along side those?

[Black Atom]

Looking at these figures, I have think price really does matter. The top to bottom slots line up in almost perfect accordance with cheapest to most expensive.

[Alex]

I still haven't seen one in the stores.
While waiting for my xbox to be fixed, i drove around, went to three walmarts, 2 gamestops, an eb games, two best buys, squat.
I'm not ordering it, that thing is a semi impulse buy.

[metr0man]

its worth noting though that the Wii is at a much cheaper price, thus the expensive consoles don't have to sell as much to produce the same revenue. In fact, theoretically, the Wii could sell at 2.5 times the rate of a PS3 and they'd produce roughly the same revenue.

(that's if you ignore the fact that 360 and PS3 are loss leaders)

[Thorlief]

(that's if you ignore the fact that 360 and PS3 are loss leaders)

well dude it's not a small thing to ignore when considering such stuff. I've read somewhere a Wii would cost Nintendo about 40 dollars (just the hardware parts) and a PS3 is about 400. Don't know if it's true tho, but sure the PS3 and the Xbox are losing money for every console produced

[Lester C.]

well dude it's not a small thing to ignore when considering such stuff. I've read somewhere a Wii would cost Nintendo about 40 dollars (just the hardware parts) and a PS3 is about 400. Don't know if it's true tho, but sure the PS3 and the Xbox are losing money for every console produced

I think the 360 has been reconfigured to the point where it doesn't lose money for each unit sold.

[Xero Kaiser]

I still haven't seen one in the stores.

I saw one (and exactly one) for sale for the first time 2 or 3 days ago.

[Thorlief]

I think the 360 has been reconfigured to the point where it doesn't lose money for each unit sold.

I don't know, but they sure gotta still pay the losses from the first Xbox

[Magneto Rocks]

its worth noting though that the Wii is at a much cheaper price, thus the expensive consoles don't have to sell as much to produce the same revenue. In fact, theoretically, the Wii could sell at 2.5 times the rate of a PS3 and they'd produce roughly the same revenue.

Problem is that

A) As noted, PS3 is a loss leader. Only it's not doing much leading.
B) At current rate, Nintendo's selling MORE than 2.5 times the rate of the PS3 ;)

[JCAll]

the Wii has officially sold more than the 360 (in nine months)

Wii

Australia - 138,192
Europe - 2,870,000
Japan - 3,424,139
Canada - 313,956
US - 3,615,000

TOTAL - 10,361,287
______

360
Australia - 195,056
Europe - 3,250,000
Japan - 402,381
Canada - 403,500
US - 5,950,000

TOTAL - 10,200,937

I know it's probably been commented on a billion times, but that just depressing :(

[Alex]

well dude it's not a small thing to ignore when considering such stuff. I've read somewhere a Wii would cost Nintendo about 40 dollars (just the hardware parts) and a PS3 is about 400. Don't know if it's true tho, but sure the PS3 and the Xbox are losing money for every console produced

Forget what they make on the consoles, remember that everytime nintendo wants to put "Mario" or "Zelda" or "Pokemon" in a title, they sell a billion copies of it.

[Alex]

I saw one (and exactly one) for sale for the first time 2 or 3 days ago.

All im saying is, we are this far out, i'm not buying console shortages.
and holding back supply for almost a year is retarded bussiness move. They should be kicking those things out like crazy before PS3 gets some big games, and before Halo 3 hits the 360.

[Tadhg]

All im saying is, we are this far out, i'm not buying console shortages.
and holding back supply for almost a year is retarded bussiness move. They should be kicking those things out like crazy before PS3 gets some big games, and before Halo 3 hits the 360.

They are cranking them out like crazy. They're selling over 1.5 million worldwide a month. The Wii is selling at a higher rate than any console in history. The only supply they'd be holding back would be if they're holding back so they have consoles on the shelves at Christmas, but I'm not entirely sure they're doing that. They had to bring a second manufacturer in to start producing them, and that's a pain for any CE device.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

So wait, the only reason the Wii is winning is because Japan STILL hates Microsoft/Xbox?

Geez, that's annoying.

[Thorlief]

All im saying is, we are this far out, i'm not buying console shortages.
and holding back supply for almost a year is retarded bussiness move. They should be kicking those things out like crazy before PS3 gets some big games, and before Halo 3 hits the 360.

The PS3 will need more than huge games to achieve a decent result. And some of the so called big ones like Lair and Heavenly Swords arent that great according to the reviews, which certainly isn't helping people to buy a PS3.

Halo 3 is out in October, but Mario is out in November. And Brawl in December. If the sequel of the best selling Gamecube game of all time is going to follow the same path (and it sure will) the Wii will keep selling out for many more months. And I believe that the production will increase due to the huge demand for Brawl, because that's one title that could easily sell one million in less than a week

[Xero Kaiser]

So wait, the only reason the Wii is winning is because Japan STILL hates Microsoft/Xbox?

Geez, that's annoying.

Well, their lack of taste isn't the only reason, but yeah, it helps

[Thorlief]

Well, their lack of taste isn't the only reason, but yeah, it helps

LOL smellslikeenvy

[Xero Kaiser]

Envious of who, exactly?

[Tish-the-Scorpion]

The PS3 will need more than huge games to achieve a decent result. And some of the so called big ones like Lair and Heavenly Swords arent that great according to the reviews, which certainly isn't helping people to buy a PS3.

Halo 3 is out in October, but Mario is out in November. And Brawl in December. If the sequel of the best selling Gamecube game of all time is going to follow the same path (and it sure will) the Wii will keep selling out for many more months. And I believe that the production will increase due to the huge demand for Brawl, because that's one title that could easily sell one million in less than a weektheres a good chance halo 3 (which i might buy) will help xbox catch up with the wii.but the 10 Mill + people who already have a system might generate most of the halo 3 sales.but i'm extremely doubtful PS3 will rebound anytime soon.especially since games like heavenly sword,and lair proved not to be all that and a bag of chips.PS3 has a large hill to climb.

[Alex]

theres a good chance halo 3 (which i might buy) will help xbox catch up with the wii.but the 10 Mill + people who already have a system might generate most of the halo 3 sales.but i'm extremely doubtful PS3 will rebound anytime soon.especially since games like heavenly sword,and lair proved not to be all that and a bag of chips.PS3 has a large hill to climb.

I wasn't impressed with Lair (looked pretty though), but wasn't aware heavenly sword came out.

[Xero Kaiser]

It's too bad about Lair sucking, that was one of the reasons I was considering getting a PS3. But I figured it was gonna be crap as soon as I heard about the controls

I wasn't impressed with Lair (looked pretty though), but wasn't aware heavenly sword came out.

Not until the 12th

[Shostie]

So wait, the only reason the Wii is winning is because Japan STILL hates Microsoft/Xbox?

Geez, that's annoying.

Japan hates anything made in America. Except for our women.

[Black Atom]

Japan hates anything made in America. Except for our women.

I don't know if that's the case, but it seems the Japanese just aren't into the type of games that've become flagships on the X-Box, like Halo, GRAW and Gears of War. Even if that weren't the case, though, I think the Wii would still be out-selling it there. It's been the saving grace for Sony, however.

[Shostie]

I don't know if that's the case

Sadly, it's at least partly true. The Japanese are extremely xenophobic when it comes to commerce. It's exceedingly hard for a foreigner to make any type of high level career there. What's more, they just don't trust products from outside Japan. You won't see too many Western-made cars running around the streets of Tokyo, for instance.

[Black Atom]

Sadly, it's at least partly true. The Japanese are extremely xenophobic when it comes to commerce. It's exceedingly hard for a foreigner to make any type of high level career there. What's more, they just don't trust products from outside Japan. You won't see too many Western-made cars running around the streets of Tokyo, for instance.

Most of that is because when it comes to manufacturing things like electronics, cars, and medical devices, American companies have a reputation for being low quality. American manufacturers are not subject to the strict regulations that Japanese and European manufacturers are and rather famously oppose new regs because they raise manufacturing costs, so that rep is not entirely undeserved. I'm not sure that's the issue with X-Box though, but it doesn't help (especially with their warranty problems.) On the other hand, Sega was started by an America.

[Jmacq1]

I was always under the impression that the X-Box's poor reception in Japan was indeed due to the prevalence of genres that the Japanese aren't as interested in (FPS, essentially) and the relative lack of genres that they're known to greatly enjoy (RPGs). It's somewhat telling that "Blue Dragon" led to the best X-Box 360 sales Japan has ever seen (even if it wasn't remotely enough to close any gaps, they still sold a couple hundred thousand more than they'd sold in previous months).

Basically, the 360's games don't really cater to the Japanese tastes. It'd be like a US system trying to bank its sales on dating sims and a bunch of those other weird and unusual (to us) games that we almost never see stateside short of direct imports.

[Alex]

I was always under the impression that the X-Box's poor reception in Japan was indeed due to the prevalence of genres that the Japanese aren't as interested in (FPS, essentially) and the relative lack of genres that they're known to greatly enjoy (RPGs). It's somewhat telling that "Blue Dragon" led to the best X-Box 360 sales Japan has ever seen (even if it wasn't remotely enough to close any gaps, they still sold a couple hundred thousand more than they'd sold in previous months).


Has PS3 been doing bad in japan? Because it doesn't have any rpgs of note.
And...yknow, the wii is doing well there. due to the japanese loving crazy stuff.

[Thorlief]

actually, the Wii is doing even better in NA. The americans love crazy stuff.

NPD August Numbers

Hardware Unit Sales

PlayStation 2 202K
PlayStation 3 130.6K
PlayStation Portable 151.2 K
Xbox 360 276.7K
Wii 403.6 K
Nintendo DS 383.3K

[Thorlief]

and there come the September numbers

HW Sales
PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K

SW Sales
360 HALO 3* MICROSOFT (CORP) 3.3 million
WII PLAY W/ REMOTE NINTENDO OF AMERICA 282K
NDS LEGEND OF ZELDA: PHANTOM HOURGLASS NINTENDO OF AMERICA 224K
PS2 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 205K
360 SKATE ELECTRONIC ARTS 175K
360 MADDEN NFL 08 ELECTRONIC ARTS 173K
WII METROID PRIME 3: CORRUPTION NINTENDO OF AMERICA 167K
360 BIOSHOCK TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE (CORP) 150K
NDS BRAIN AGE 2: MORE TRAINING IN MINUTES A NINTENDO OF AMERICA 141K
PS3 HEAVENLY SWORD SONY (CORP) 139K

[Black Atom]

and there come the September numbers

HW Sales
PlayStation 2 215K
PlayStation 3 119.4K
PlayStation Portable 284.5K
Xbox 360 527.8K
Wii 501K
Nintendo DS 495.8K
Game Boy Advance 75K


These numbers, specifically, are staggering.

[Thorlief]

actually I was expecting more from a Halo 3-propelled hardware. Wii took 360's biggest nuke and came away with barely a bruise. But still, finally Microsoft manages to outsell the Wii.
In November, of course, the race will be over

[Xero Kaiser]

actually I was expecting more from a Halo 3-propelled hardware.

That's because most people already had their 360s ready

[Thorlief]

yeah, but if Halo isn't going to move boxes tell me which game will

[Xero Kaiser]

360 sales more than doubled when Halo 3 came out and it raised total software sales by 64% (http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17836) by itself.

Expecting even more from a game that's breaking records and moving consoles left and right is a little much, isn't it? And like I said, most people who wanted the game already bought their systems in advance (who do you think was placing all those preorders?)
http://www.dork1337.com/img/mc_dancing_1.gif

[Thorlief]

only 9% of Halo 3 sales were from new owners. I stand my point, which is: Halo 3 is a tremendous success, but didn't move a lot of units (for now), which also translates in Halo 3 was not much of an impact (for now)

I'm not trying to downplay Halo 3 or '360' success. In fact, it's party time

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb29/The_Happy_Gamer/1186192986395qc2.gif

edit: wtf lol? That guy is really dressed as Master Chief, it's not just a photoshopped thing..the hell does that come from?

[Xero Kaiser]

I think Halo 3 had about as much of an impact on sales as you can expect over a 12-day span covered in the NPD

[Black Atom]

I wasn't emphasizing that 360 was edging out the Wii (which is still something) but making a general statement about how many consoles are moving in general. Heck, they beat out the handhelds

[founder81]

I find it interesting how well Nintendo DS and PS2 are doing given how old they are.

[Agent Helix]

The PS2 is the PS3's biggest problem, really.

[Jared H.]

I find it interesting how well Nintendo DS and PS2 are doing given how old they are.

Two reasons:

1) Inexpensive console.

2) Excellent game library.

[founder81]

Two reasons:

1) Inexpensive console.

2) Excellent game library.

No arguement there, but you have to figure at one point, everyone who wants one, has one. (but I'm the wrong person to be saying this, I just got my DS last year)

[Thorlief]

I actually have two Ds. The white one even got some small blood stains on it

[AllisterH]

So does this prove that given a choice among the same generation, the winner will be the cheapest console?

[Tadhg]

No arguement there, but you have to figure at one point, everyone who wants one, has one. (but I'm the wrong person to be saying this, I just got my DS last year)

The DS isn't even 3 years old.

[Tadhg]

So does this prove that given a choice among the same generation, the winner will be the cheapest console?

Not really since that wasn't the case last generation or the generation before that.