did the latest Wonder woman writer get dealt a bad set of cards [Archive]

Rattlehead

08-23-2007, 01:46 PM

No it's obvious that she was meant as only a temporary fill in writer between the Heinberg run and Gail Simone's upcoming issues.

No, the book was given to Gail after the internet pitched a fit over Wonder Woman #6. Jodi was going to be the regular writer on the book.

Alerex

08-23-2007, 01:47 PM

Yes Picoult was wasted here. The first issue was kinda bad but the Amazons Attack issues were good. The ending to number 10 was really good.

Did negative reaction to her first issue knock her off the book?

But it's bizarre that her issues are being collected by themselves, when the fricking story doesn't even end until two issues later.:confused:

I bet thats so DC can come out with a tpb for bookstores and say, Jodi Picoult writes Wonder Woman. To get fans of her other work to buy this.

Tyr

08-23-2007, 01:55 PM

with having the debute put in a middle of big crossover

where you do have to read BOTH parts (Despite what dC says) to really enjoy, heck even some of the tie ends

Not sure Amazons attack was her idea.

No I don't think AA was Picoult's idea she was ropped into it. The Rumor mill is that Dido was the culprit behind AA.

No, the book was given to Gail after the internet pitched a fit over Wonder Woman #6. Jodi was going to be the regular writer on the book.

I believe it was announced that Simone would be put on the book even before Picoults first one came out...Picoult was always planned to be a temp.

Zero Hunter

08-23-2007, 02:30 PM

The Wonder Women relaunch has been the biggest blunder DC has done in years. They TOTALY screwed this one up so bad that I almost think they need to do like they did with the Flash and just put the book out of it misery and try again in 6 or 8 months. Between the Heinberg fiasco and the ultra bad Amazons Attack crossover the book is almost beyond repair.

Honestly if I was Simone I would not want to even touch the book right now as bad as things are.

Rattlehead

08-23-2007, 02:31 PM

I believe it was announced that Simone would be put on the book even before Picoults first one came out...Picoult was always planned to be a temp.

Gail announced being the new Wonder Woman writer after Picoult was already writing the book. Of course Gail may have known she was going to be on the book beforehand, but she didn't announce it until after 2 of Jodi's issues came out.

Cayman

08-23-2007, 03:18 PM

Jodi did a great job, especially given the constraints she had to work with.

Eliseu Gouveia

08-23-2007, 03:30 PM

I have to say I was annoyed at first with some of the stuff Jodi brought to the book ( like Wonder Woman being a moron who can´t operate a turntile) but altogether it was a quite enjoyable run with some genuinely clever bits.

I think she should have been given a couple more books (not WW) to season into the medium, writing comics is a different game with its own sets of tricks and pitfalls.

I haven+´t read AA and quite frankly, I am actually affraid to touch the stuff, given some of the spoilers I´ve stumbled into.
Batman disabling Circe by parroting a spell Zatanna made him memorise? WTF?

CYOTI

08-23-2007, 04:21 PM

No, the book was given to Gail after the internet pitched a fit over Wonder Woman #6. Jodi was going to be the regular writer on the book. And you have proof of course?

Cayman

08-23-2007, 04:58 PM

I'd never seen anything suggesting Jodi was meant to stay on for more than one arc. Her day job is writing hugely successful novels.

Tyr

08-23-2007, 05:38 PM

I have to say I was annoyed at first with some of the stuff Jodi brought to the book ( like Wonder Woman being a moron who can´t operate a turntile) but altogether it was a quite enjoyable run with some genuinely clever bits.

Yes but up to series #3, she's never had to be human. She always flew to places that were to far away to travel on foot. So she's never had to drive a car, pump gas, take the bus, take the subway, etc. Using a Turnstyle was a new experience for her.

The only mistake I think Picoult made there was the coffee gag, I think Diana would know about Starbucks.

I agree with you and Captain Jim, I liked Picoults run even with AA screwing it up.

I only wish the kept her on until Simone takes over...but we only have to wait a few more issues for that.

Captain Jim

08-23-2007, 05:39 PM

CYOTI

08-23-2007, 06:13 PM

To see if she was capable of writing comics and still keep the sales afloat via a crossover if she wasn't?

Gail Simone

08-23-2007, 06:19 PM

No, the book was given to Gail after the internet pitched a fit over Wonder Woman #6. Jodi was going to be the regular writer on the book.

No harm done, of course, but that is inaccurate. Jodi was always doing only a set number of issues.

Gail

Syphre Zero

08-23-2007, 06:35 PM

Why would you bring in a big-name novelist and then stick her with a pre-determined storyline instead of letting her spread her wings?

I think that question is at least semi-rhetorical. It's like bringing in Stephen King to write Superman but making him follow the plot points of For Tomorrow. It's more for publicity's sake than anything else - DC gets 15 minutes on CNN for getting a "real" writer to do comic books, and Picoult gets a little face time that should help promoting her next novel. (I mean absolutely no disrespect to comic writers in my previous statement; rather, I think the uninformed and overgeneralized opinion of non-comic readers is that "real" authors don't write comic books.)

I've enjoyed Picoult's run, despite the fact that Amazons Attack has been a little bland. Thankfully, there is light at the end of the tunnel: I can't wait to see what you've got in store for Diana, Gail!

Tyr

08-23-2007, 06:55 PM

I think some of you are missing the point. Of course Picoult was never meant to be more than a temporary writer. But getting stuck with the AA crossover hardly gave her the chance to do her best work. Why would you bring in a big-name novelist and then stick her with a pre-determined storyline instead of letting her spread her wings?

Well...cause her crossover work is the only part of this whole thing that I'm actually enjoying, with her gone I just don't see a point to reading any of it anymore. I plan to just sit it out until Simone jumps aboard, which will be about the time where done with all this Amazon Attack nonsense.

But your right it didn't really give Jodi a chance to do her best work.

Eliseu Gouveia

08-23-2007, 06:59 PM

Yes but up to series #3, she's never had to be human. She always flew to places that were to far away to travel on foot. So she's never had to drive a car, pump gas, take the bus, take the subway, etc. Using a Turnstyle was a new experience for her.

The only mistake I think Picoult made there was the coffee gag, I think Diana would know about Starbucks.

Diana´s not some clueless amazon chick who arrived on a boat to the US last night.
She´s had a LONG career and she actually did have to live her daily life among humans, namely working as a waitress, serving coffee and all.

Aside from that Oh-so-human experience, she´s got the Wisdom of Athena.
You´d figure someone with the Wisdom O f Athena would be able to figure out a turntile, how hard can it be?

You either examine the machine OR, better yet, you look to the side, you see how the other people are doing and you go with it.
Doesn´t take a 180 IQ.
Or the Wisdom of Athena

Black Atom

08-23-2007, 07:04 PM

I think some of you are missing the point. Of course Picoult was never meant to be more than a temporary writer. But getting stuck with the AA crossover hardly gave her the chance to do her best work. Why would you bring in a big-name novelist and then stick her with a pre-determined storyline instead of letting her spread her wings?

Agreed. Stupid.

And a lot of the problems with Picoult's WW (mainly, lack of historical knowledge of the character) isn't really her fault. I can appreciate the direction she wanted to go in and the development she had planned for Diana, but someeone should've reigned her in and let her know those stories had been told.

Eliseu Gouveia

08-23-2007, 07:10 PM

Addressing lack iof knowledge regarding a character´s background history is one of the reasons why EDITORS were created.
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The other was to bitchslap artists who don´t turn their work on time. ^_^

Tyr

08-23-2007, 07:19 PM

Diana´s not some clueless amazon chick who arrived on a boat to the US last night.
She´s had a LONG career and she actually did have to live her daily life among humans, namely working as a waitress, serving coffee and all.

Actually I think that part of her history got swept under the rug as if it didn't happen, in anycase I don't think she took a bus home, she flew.

Aside from that Oh-so-human experience, she´s got the Wisdom of Athena.
You´d figure someone with the Wisdom O f Athena would be able to figure out a turntile, how hard can it be?

You either examine the machine OR, better yet, you look to the side, you see how the other people are doing and you go with it.
Doesn´t take a 180 IQ.
Or the Wisdom of Athena

Sometimes the smartest of people have trouble with what seems to be the simplist of tasks.

And having wisdom or vision of Athena does not mean you know the immediate solution to a problem, or know how to use a turnstyle. It was Socrates who said “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

Eliseu Gouveia

08-23-2007, 07:30 PM

Actually I think that part of her history got swept under the rug as if it didn't happen, in anycase I don't think she took a bus home, she flew.

You have any evidence that that story was retcon punched?

Sometimes the smartest of people have trouble with what seems to be the simplist of tasks.

Dude, a dog can be taught to operate a turntile.
A chicken!

And having wisdom or vision of Athena does not mean you know the immediate solution to a problem, or know how to use a turnstyle. It was Socrates who said “The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.”

Having the Wisdom of Athena doesn´t give her the knowledge to operate a turntile but it gives her the ability to figure out how to operate a turntile.
And it most definitelly does not involve bumping into it repeatedly ttil it opens - which was how she tried to get through..

Tyr

08-23-2007, 08:08 PM

You have any evidence that that story was retcon punched?

Hmmm...well a lot of stuff was retconed punched but now that you mention it...

I don't believe they make any mention of it during the post-Brynes years.

However, Rucka does have a three year gap between the time she lived with the Kapatilises and the time her she took the role as an official ambassador, so it is possible she worked as one during that time period.

Be that as it may she still didn't need to relly on anything but her own two feet, she didn't have a secret identity to protect so she could fly around anytime she wanted to.

Having the Wisdom of Athena doesn´t give her the knowledge to operate a turntile but it gives her the ability to figure out how to operate a turntile.
And it most definitelly does not involve bumping into it repeatedly ttil it opens - which was how she tried to get through..

You have a point, let me take a closer look *reaches for his copy*

"In the Beggining God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was..."

Oh wait wrong book...hold on

*pulls out Wonder Woman #6* here we are.

You know there really isn't any mentioned in her on how long it took for her to figure out the turnstyle. Though Picoult alludes to the fact that it took awhile...then again she may have just taken awhile to get to Department Headquarters is all and not the turnstyle at all.

*Shrugs* well either way didn't really bother me much.

IamtheRock3

08-23-2007, 09:53 PM

I think that question is at least semi-rhetorical. It's like bringing in Stephen King to write Superman but making him follow the plot points of For Tomorrow. It's more for publicity's sake than anything else - DC gets 15 minutes on CNN for getting a "real" writer to do comic books, and Picoult gets a little face time that should help promoting her next novel. (I mean absolutely no disrespect to comic writers in my previous statement; rather, I think the uninformed and overgeneralized opinion of non-comic readers is that "real" authors don't write comic books.)

I've enjoyed Picoult's run, despite the fact that Amazons Attack has been a little bland. Thankfully, there is light at the end of the tunnel: I can't wait to see what you've got in store for Diana, Gail!

Yea gail seem to have a knack dealing with what ever crossover that force on her in a cool way, without seeming like she thumbing her noses at her bosses

IamtheRock3

08-23-2007, 09:57 PM

You have any evidence that that story was retcon punched?

Dude, a dog can be taught to operate a turntile.
A chicken!

Having the Wisdom of Athena doesn´t give her the knowledge to operate a turntile but it gives her the ability to figure out how to operate a turntile.
And it most definitelly does not involve bumping into it repeatedly ttil it opens - which was how she tried to get through..

not to get off topic

but who to say she WOULDNT have figure it out if she was given an minut or two

she wouldnt know it off the bat though

It be like getting an IPhone. I am not a caveman who cant figure it out but you got to give me a minut to mess around with it

CaptainCanada

08-23-2007, 09:58 PM

I thought it was really weird. I mean, when you get a "name" writer to do a story, you do it with an eye to marketing the trade collection in bookstores with their name in big font; but her run intercuts with a crossover not included in the trade and ends on a cliffhanger, which I'm sure will go over well.

Eliseu Gouveia

08-23-2007, 10:04 PM

not to get off topic

but who to say she WOULDNT have figure it out if she was given an minut or two

she wouldnt know it off the bat though

It be like getting an IPhone. I am not a caveman who cant figure it out but you got to give me a minut to mess around with it

One minute?
LOL
From my own personal subway experience, that´s the time old folks take to figure it out (at least).
Regular Joes who´ve never used one take about 10 seconds to understand the gist of things (and they´re not even blessed with the Winsdom of Athena).

Syphre Zero

08-24-2007, 05:51 AM

Yea gail seem to have a knack dealing with what ever crossover that force on her in a cool way, without seeming like she thumbing her noses at her bosses

Case in point: there's a lot of talk in Gen13 right now about the Multiverse. I never read the title before Gail took over at the reboot (other than the Superman crossover), but I gather that Caitlin & Co never dealt much with that sort of thing. Gail's work on Gen13 is a perfect example of how to write a reboot, make it good, but still follow the guiding plotlines of the editorial staff.

Black Atom

08-24-2007, 11:52 AM

The problem wasn't that Diana couldn't figure out how to work the turnstyle--it was that she didn't realize at first that it was restricting her because she had to pay and, furthermore, had no money. I could see someone making that mistake if they've never ridden the subway, especially if you're just watching everyone else go right through.

trickster

08-25-2007, 02:03 AM

One minute?
LOL
From my own personal subway experience, that´s the time old folks take to figure it out (at least).
Regular Joes who´ve never used one take about 10 seconds to understand the gist of things (and they´re not even blessed with the Winsdom of Athena).
Why that's nothing! I can do it in one millisecond.