"the great disaster"

[botch]

We know it has something to do with kamandi, but what could be so great as to destroy all the heroes, so there is no more superman and batman yet allow the world to continue existing with Kamandi, I would of thought something that great would destroy the world especially concerning a Final mega crisis.

[Jack Zodiac]

I wouldn't put much stock in it being related to Kamandi much at all. Kirby's obvious influence there was the lingering threat of nuclear war, demonstrated by his crazy landscape and anthropomorphic society. All they're doing now is throwing around phrases Kirby used to love to use. "Great Disaster." Hell, even the words "crisis" and "countdown" were staples in his old stories.

[botch]

I wouldn't put much stock in it being related to Kamandi much at all. Kirby's obvious influence there was the lingering threat of nuclear war, demonstrated by his crazy landscape and anthropomorphic society. All they're doing now is throwing around phrases Kirby used to love to use. "Great Disaster." Hell, even the words "crisis" and "countdown" were staples in his old stories.

Well it's been revealed it does have something to do with it, interviews and such. It's not just a throwaway line, DC knows everyone links things together and to just say "great disaster" without thinking that people will go "GREAT DISASTER KAMANDI FTW ZOMG!" is not possible. Wasn't it revealed in an interview that the last panel of Final Crisis is Kamandi?

[Jack Zodiac]

Anthro on the first page, Kamandi on the last. But Kamandi's "Great Disaster" never had anything to do with the mainstream DCU. And this upcoming "Great Disaster" will likely not have anything in common with whatever happened on Kamandi's world unless it starts mutating humans into animal-men.

[CBikle]

Anthro on the first page, Kamandi on the last. But Kamandi's "Great Disaster" never had anything to do with the mainstream DCU. And this upcoming "Great Disaster" will likely not have anything in common with whatever happened on Kamandi's world unless it starts mutating humans into animal-men.

Kamandi's future was part of the pre-Crisis DCU (there was a couple of Brave & The Bold team-ups and a Karate Kid crossover).

I don't think it's just a coincidence.

I kind of like the idea of the Great Disaster being linked with Darkseid's whole Anti-Life Equation deal; sort of tying together two of Kirby's concepts.

I think Kamandi's future happens well after the Great Disaster and the sentient animal species are a gradual side effect of the disaster itself or something unrelated.

[Magneto Rocks]

And as Wizard pointed out, there's the fact that back in "The Great Darkness Saga", SOMETHING happened in the 21st century, some giant cataclysm that drove Darkseid so far underground he didn't resurface for a melennium.

[DubipR]

When I saw the subject "the Great Disaster", I thought you were refering to Didio's tenure at DC.
Sorry....I should pay a bit more attention.

[EZMOHR]

Wow, a Dan Didio snark, it must be a day ending in y.

[DubipR]

Wow, a Dan Didio snark, it must be a day ending in y.

Uh..today's nichiyōbi, where's the Y?

[Buried Alien]

The thing about the "Great Disaster" is that it's not so "great" a disaster compared to what occurred during CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, or maybe even INFINITE CRISIS. The Great Disaster was nuclear war on Earth (and its aftermath), which was bad for Terran humanity, but didn't affect the rest of the universe/multiverse so much. Earth's civilization was wiped out, but life went on for the rest of the universe.

That wasn't the case in COIE or INFINITE CRISIS, in which all of reality in the DCU/Multiverse was altered.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[botch]

The thing about the "Great Disaster" is that it's not so "great" a disaster compared to what occurred during CRISIS ON INFINITE EARTHS, or maybe even INFINITE CRISIS. The Great Disaster was nuclear war on Earth (and its aftermath), which was bad for Terran humanity, but didn't affect the rest of the universe/multiverse so much. Earth's civilization was wiped out, but life went on for the rest of the universe.

That wasn't the case in COIE or INFINITE CRISIS, in which all of reality in the DCU/Multiverse was altered.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

That's because no one remembers(okay maybe a few) COIE, the few who did like Psycho Pirate refer to the event as the "the Huge Mega Michael Bay Explosion Style Epic 20 minute Doom Metal riff Goddamn Batman Breakdance disaster"

[smoothjokes]

That's because no one remembers(okay maybe a few) COIE, the few who did like Psycho Pirate refer to the event as the "the Huge Mega Michael Bay Explosion Style Epic 20 minute Doom Metal riff Goddamn Batman Breakdance disaster"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/38/Deathpp.PNG

PWNED!!!

[Nintendite]

I don't care what you think about gore, violence and the recent spat of "dark DC" over the last few years. But you cannot say that Psycho-Pirate didn't TOTALLY deserve that.


As for the great disaster (this is going to essentially be my educated guess as to what FINAL CRISIS is going to be about):


I think that the Great Disaster is something big, but not "Kill all the heroes and cause Kamandi" big. I'm thinking that perhaps there are more then one great disasters, sort of like how there has been more then 1 Crisis. This is the Disaster that causes the end of the New Gods as we know them (with the exception of Darkseid, who somehow survives because, well, he's Darkseid). It would then become clear that, without the New Gods, some of the really bad guys in the DC Multiverse, people like the Anti-Monitor, the monitors and such, can now do some stuff that before they wouldn't try (or would have scaled back) before because New Genesis or Apokolips would stop them, similar to how Darkseid interfered on the hero's side during the first crisis for his own preservation. This would lead to the FINAL CRISIS. During the Crisis, all the many New Gods that were thought dead were re-emerge in Earth-like forms, forms that people on Earth would more closely associate too (as opposed to the beyond-the-average-man's-comprehension New Gods of Kirby), similar to how the New Gods were portrayed in Seven Soldiers, only a little different. After the Heroes defeat whatever villain(s) are the main villain of FINAL Crisis, Darkseid will make his move in the final issue or two, but would be defeated by the combined might of the greatest heroes of the remaining Multiverse. He'd then go somewhere, talk about how he has all the time in the universe, and go into hibernation until the Great Darkness Saga.

BTW, I think that the comment of "Anthro on the first page and Kamandi on the last" is a reference to whatever "framing device" Morrison will use. I'm putting my money (all 2 cents of it) on having the tale of the final crisis be something of a folk legend told by some type of traveler... maybe Barry Allen (running through time eternal), maybe Rip Hunter, maybe nobody.


I doubt I'm right though.

[Joe Acro]

That wasn't the case in COIE or INFINITE CRISIS, in which all of reality in the DCU/Multiverse was altered.
Was reality altered or just restarted?

[EZMOHR]

What I would like, is borrowed from somebody who posted it here several months ago, with my own twists put into it. Basically, most people will think it is blasphemy, and total suckage, but it would incorporate what I would like to see.....


Ozymandius is using Dr. Manhatten and is manipulating the DC Universe and the 52. Somehow, when we thought he blasted Rorschach to bits, not only did he do that, but he also transported him to the DCU proper, where he can warn all, but know that if he suceeds, he goes back to the time where he is blown to chunks.


Hey, I'm not a writer....Grant Morrison is. If anybody could do it, and not create some time/space paradox that causes Alan Moore to destroy the Universe, it's him. Plus, this gives DC the chance to promote Watchmen along with the movie that is coming out around the same time as Final Crisis for a new generation.

I don't want all the Watchmen, just Ozymandius, Doc, and Rorschach. Plus, it would open up the greatest comic story of all time back to people who may not know it.


I know, suckage on a stick....but I'd read it.

[Sean Walsh]

The death of the Fourth World.

If they're all dying, then perhaps the entire destruction of their own little dimension there could destroy the rest of the DC cosmos...?

(The death of the Third World was Ragnarok, which IIRC was pretty cataclysmic to the known universe at that time.)

[Froggy]

The death of the Fourth World.

If they're all dying, then perhaps the entire destruction of their own little dimension there could destroy the rest of the DC cosmos...?

(The death of the Third World was Ragnarok, which IIRC was pretty cataclysmic to the known universe at that time.)

that'd be cool, I just wonder how great the finality of it will be (final crisis) that is

[Captain Jim]

I haven't read those Kamandi issues since they first came out (though I loved them at the time), so my memory is a little vague here. But it seems as though at one point down the line (possibly after Kirby left), it was said that Kamandi's future was only one possible future and the Legion of Super Heroes' future was another (since they pretty much contradicted each other).

Also, at some point, the Atomic Knights were retconned into Kamandi's history. I don't think it's a coincidence that DC has solicited a Showcase volume collecting both Kamandi and Atomic Knights stories. I really expect both to tie-in to the Final Crisis in some way.

[filthysize]

I thought the anthropomorphic creatures already appeared. I didn't read it, but Wizard pointed out that there was a create of them in some book (Battle for Bludhaven, I think?)

[Man In Black]

this could actually be really cool. no one ever thought "the great disaster" thing in kamandi would ever come to pass, but it looks like they found a way to do it.

I hope the villains finally win, and take over the universe. it would set the stage perfectly for the heroes' strike back (a bit like Star Wars, innit?)