What do Creationists Do in the DCU?

[Captain Smith]

Can the DCU have the literal creationists we have?

There are folks who have been back in time billions of years? Folks who have seen various universes and worlds created willy-nilly.

Aliens with civilizations that have been around way longer than 5700ish years?

So do the Jerry Falwell types in the DCU even exist?

[Expletive Deleted]

I'd imagine there aren't too many among those who've actually traveled to the dawn of time, but it's not exactly a widespread experience. Joe Average DCU is probably in the same boat as someone in the real world. If something contradicts their faith, they find an explanation that they like that doesn't. Just like atheists do when someone like Zauriel joins the Justice League.

[Jack Zodiac]

Yeah, I'd be surprised more by the number of atheists in the DCU than those who have some kind of religion, especially if you're a superhero who sees all kinds of crazy !@#$.

[rick]

Actually I'm betting that in the DC Universe, Creationists are actually a pretty happy lot.

Let's pretend that the average citizen has access to the same information the big league characters have in which case they know there is a God and a Satan as well as a heaven and a hell, and that on top of that Humans are “created” beings.

Of course they might get confused by the fact that there are all sorts of other Gods, demons, Heavens and Hells around too. Most notably, the Greek versions.

And of course there are the New Gods too.

So I honestly think that the average creationist would be happy to be proven right, but possibly down right confused about who the actual creator was.

[ultramandingo]

.......there are angles and devils walking aroud the dcu - plus talking chimps and thats just shadow pact. religious types would really have to keep their heads in the sand to keep on beliving

[CYOTI]

.......there are angles and devils walking aroud the dcu - plus talking chimps and thats just shadow pact. religious types would really have to keep their heads in the sand to keep on beliving Why? The angels and devils validate their world view.

[titanfan]

Yeah, given that universe altering beings exist in the DCU--I think creationists have far more of an argument than atheists in the DC Universe.

It's an atheist who wouldn't make sense. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Terrific!)

[The Ray]

Why? The angels and devils validate their world view.

Yeah, but then Hindu Gods would completely contridict them. I mean, they could admit there's angels and devils, but then they'll have to admit that there's Onis and Dragons.

[The Zapper]

People ignore facts all the time. I don't think it would be that different in the DCU.

[Jack Zodiac]

It's an atheist who wouldn't make sense. (I'm looking at you, Mr. Terrific!)

That's why he's so awesome! Even after staring down The Spectre's nose, he's still an Atheist. That's conviction!

[Anodyne]

That's why he's so awesome! Even after staring down The Spectre's nose, he's still an Atheist. That's conviction!
The same can be said for Dr. Thirteen. He's also faced the Spectre.

[Jack Zodiac]

And he's met a vampire, a talking Nazi gorilla, a ghost pirate, a WWII tank haunted by a Civil War general, and four of DC's most prominent writers, and he still says, "Pfft! Yeah, what the !@#$ ever."

I love that guy.

[Anodyne]

and he still says, "Pfft! Yeah, what the !@#$ ever."
He wouldn't use that language in front of his daughter, would he? :eek:

[Jack Zodiac]

Of course not! That'd be incest- er, insensitive!

[CYOTI]

Yeah, but then Hindu Gods would completely contridict them. I mean, they could admit there's angels and devils, but then they'll have to admit that there's Onis and Dragons. They probably would fall under the category of false gods. As for onis given that the bible mentions dragon, giants and unicorns, I don't see them having any trouble with another race of demons.

[ultramandingo]

............and they would be fine with amazons , apockalyps , gorrilla city , atlantis or the 5th dimension ? "opiate of the masses" i guess. if i were in the dcu id worship that giant pencil and eraser from animal man #5 "The Coyote Gospel."

[The Scribe]

Can the DCU have the literal creationists we have?



No, it's a comic book. You know, fantasy. ;)

[StoneGold]

I believe the atheist argument would be: Just because they are extraterrestial/dimensional beings of extraordinary power doesn't mean they created existence. Seriously, how do you worship God when you play poker with him on a semi-regular basis?


Although I guess that logic works better with Marvel and Thor, but it still basically applies.

[Beacon]

Yeah, but then Hindu Gods would completely contridict them. I mean, they could admit there's angels and devils, but then they'll have to admit that there's Onis and Dragons.

I imagine they’d handle it like most real-world religions do with opposing deities; write off either the god(s) or the whole belief system as false. You know, as in “hey Babylon, all those ‘gods’ you worship are really demons”.

[Animation]

It can be pretty easy to be an atheist as well in a universe with "gods" and even a creator. Magic is just another part of the universe, and even if you buy the "the supreme creator god existed apart and outside of the universe before it began" hokum, its just another thing in the universe. It may be smarter than you and more powerful than you, and it may have created everything, but ultimately its still just "bob" or "tom" or "god" or "armadillo" or "coke can". Essentially, any creator entity would just be another aspect to the universe, and whether its any more special than any number of other things it created in the universe is simply in the eye of the beholder. Such entities would not inherently deserve worship, though they may expect or demand it.

So from that perspective, there wouldnt really be any gods, in the sense that they dont have any special status other than power level.

[Captain Smith]

To continue with my original thought.

The problem for our type of creationist is that they believe in the literal story of Gensis and not an allegorical one. Many religions have adopted the view of the allegory and that the Big Bang was the original creative act of God. However, the creationists don't believe in that and evolution - taking Adam and Eve seriously.

That group would be in trouble in the DCU unless they are more delusional than they are in our society. They deny modern science for us but in the DCU physical evidence of the non-validity of literal Gensis is more convincing.

Yes, they could see all the various crap in the DCU as false gods, etc. But could they ditch the fantic literalism we see in our world. Yes, if they were delusional but it would be harder in the DCU.

One would have to adopt the more allegorical view and see the 'gods' like Darkseid as just another pompous superjerk.

[Calybos]

I don't see why blatant stupidity can't exist in the DC Universe just like it does here. So yes, literal creationists can certainly dwell in the DCU.

[DavidAllred]

Can the DCU have the literal creationists we have?

There are folks who have been back in time billions of years? Folks who have seen various universes and worlds created willy-nilly.

Aliens with civilizations that have been around way longer than 5700ish years?

So do the Jerry Falwell types in the DCU even exist?

Every story in the DCU is a solipsism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

[Adrian Tullberg]

I'd like to see a story where some of the big organised religions in the US (I hear there's something called megachurches somewhere?) is generating political pressure against heroes that offend their particular worldview ...

[Magneto_X]

I'd like to see a story where some of the big organised religions in the US (I hear there's something called megachurches somewhere?) is generating political pressure against heroes that offend their particular worldview ...

That would make a great storyline for Checkmate/Zauriel/Etrigan.

[OverMaster]

The same can be said for Dr. Thirteen. He's also faced the Spectre.

ISTR the original, Golden Age Starman was an Atheist too, and he was until his old age.