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Bryson the Red
08-12-2007, 08:09 PM
Okay, so I wasn't sure if this is a WWH post or not, but it would really go either way...
I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Illuminati would not be using the Infinity Gems against Hulk for some reason that was going to be explained later. I guess I was either making that up in my head or we missed something (or no one has felt it was worth mentioning). Does anyone know if the Illuminati still do have the gems? Did I miss a book somewhere? I get that they don't want to use them, but I cannot see how Dr. Strange can think the releasing Zom is a better idea than using the gem, or how Stark can prefer a doomsday device to his gem. If I in fact haven't missed a book where it is explained does anyone know if they're going to bring it up soon?
There's still one more issue left for Illuminati. Maybe that's where the status of the Infinity Gauntlet will be revealed.
Though they did vow never to use the gems. Maybe there has yet to be a big enough reason to use them.
Despite Civil War and WWH being big marvel events, I really wouldn't consider either that large in terms of scope. Neither instance had the world or universe severely threatened.
thronzeblast
08-12-2007, 08:53 PM
There's still one more issue left for Illuminati. Maybe that's where the status of the Infinity Gauntlet will be revealed.
Though they did vow never to use the gems. Maybe there has yet to be a big enough reason to use them.
Despite Civil War and WWH being big marvel events, I really wouldn't consider either that large in terms of scope. Neither instance had the world or universe severely threatened.
A universal threat is where you would even consider using the gem's and that still just consider.Plus you really dont want people on earth or in the universe to know that all of the gem's are in one place and in the care of human's.Any and everyone would be coming to earth to try to take them.But like was mentioned before we have not seen the last issue Illuminati so we dont know if there still on earth.
Cthulhudrew
08-12-2007, 10:10 PM
It's questionable just how much the gems would help in this situation. In the hands of the arguably more powerful Infinity Watch, the gems were of very little help against an insane Thor (Blood and Thunder crossover). The Hulk is more or less potentially the equivalent of the Power Gem in and of himself, and could be considered on a level of Thor in that previously mentioned storyline (if he gets mad enough).
It's questionable just how much the gems would help in this situation. In the hands of the arguably more powerful Infinity Watch, the gems were of very little help against an insane Thor (Blood and Thunder crossover). The Hulk is more or less potentially the equivalent of the Power Gem in and of himself, and could be considered on a level of Thor in that previously mentioned storyline (if he gets mad enough).
The thing about the Infinity Watch was that most of them frankly didn't have it in them to really maximize the potential of the gems.
SOME of the Illuminati might not have that problem.
Exodus
08-13-2007, 05:30 AM
The gems cannot be used in unison.
And besides the soul gem is back with Warlock.
-Exodus
The gems cannot be used in unison.
And besides the soul gem is back with Warlock.
-Exodus
How do we know that Warlock has the gem again?
Keith_Martineau
08-13-2007, 06:40 AM
Yeah. Last we saw Warlock, he wasn't even in the main dimension. He went somewhere else.
Course, he was with Gamora, and she ain't there no more, so where is he?
In any case, I forgot about the Infinity Gems. If it's true that one of the Illuminati has been replaced by a Skrull, then it would be extremely easy for that one to use the Infinity gem he has to keep his cover.
The Living Tribunal has made the Infinity Gems impotent when used together; therefore, they no longer have any power to speak of. Only when used separately can the Infinity Gems work. However, even this will not give the person the power he demands because it takes a rare person to access the potential of the Infinity Gems. Only Thanos & Adam Warlock possessed such abilities.
Brian Michael Bendis needs to research some his stories before he actually comes up with his proposals.
The Living Tribunal has made the Infinity Gems impotent when used together; therefore, they no longer have any power to speak of. Only when used separately can the Infinity Gems work. However, even this will not give the person the power he demands because it takes a rare person to access the potential of the Infinity Gems. Only Thanos & Adam Warlock possessed such abilities.
Brian Michael Bendis needs to research some his stories before he actually comes up with his proposals.
The Infinity Gems actually have been used in unison after the Tribunals degree though. We saw them used together when Marvel crossove over with Malibu. It's possible that whole thing is no longer in continuity (though at the time it clearly was), but there nonetheless is a presidence for Bendis saying they can be used together now.
Titan76
08-13-2007, 10:28 AM
The Infinity Gems actually have been used in unison after the Tribunals degree though. We saw them used together when Marvel crossove over with Malibu. It's possible that whole thing is no longer in continuity (though at the time it clearly was), but there nonetheless is a presidence for Bendis saying they can be used together now.
The Tribunal ruled that only Eternity can decide when the Gems can be used as one again and last I look, he said it will never happen again.
Keith_Martineau
08-13-2007, 10:55 AM
The Living Tribunal has made the Infinity Gems impotent when used together; therefore, they no longer have any power to speak of. Only when used separately can the Infinity Gems work. However, even this will not give the person the power he demands because it takes a rare person to access the potential of the Infinity Gems. Only Thanos & Adam Warlock possessed such abilities.
Brian Michael Bendis needs to research some his stories before he actually comes up with his proposals.
Being a huge fan of the Infinity series---I definately disagree that only Thanos and Warlock were capable of accessing the full power of any given gem. It takes imagination, and a strong will, which are not exclusive to those two.
As for Bendis researching---well, it's pretty apparent that it's up in the air exactly what continuity states about the combined use of the gems. The last word on it was NOT that ruling by the Tribunal.
The Tribunal ruled that only Eternity can decide when the Gems can be used as one again and last I look, he said it will never happen again.
But my point was that it DID happen again. And that occured long before Bendis ever got a hold of the writing the gems.
So either Eternity decided it was okay, or that ruling for whatever reason no longer stands. Or perhaps the Malibu/Marvel crossover was retconned out of existance.
Cosmic Book Fan
08-13-2007, 11:12 AM
Wasn't the Gauntlet use in the Malibu crossover in the Malibu universe?
Eternity doesn't have influence in certain other universes, so they could be used there while still banned in the Mavel Universe.
Wasn't the Gauntlet use in the Malibu crossover in the Malibu universe?
Eternity doesn't have influence in certain other universes, so they could be used there while still banned in the Mavel Universe.
It's possible that's the reason.
Course, that directly conflicts with the notion Busiek gave in the Marvel/DC cross over which stated that the gems cannot be used at all outside the MU.
Basically, I think at this point there's enough vagueness on the issue for Bendis or any other writer to do whatever the hell they wanted.
Will.S
08-13-2007, 02:21 PM
Brian Michael Bendis needs to research some his stories before he actually comes up with his proposals.
What kind of research?
In Illuminati #2 when Reed tried to use the gauntlet they didn't work in unison.
What kind of research?
In Illuminati #2 when Reed tried to use the gauntlet they didn't work in unison.
Yeah... Bendis was certainly aware of the situation. Someone else (was it Strange) mentioned that the gems aren't suppossed to work together, but Reed seemed skeptical. So the issue was addressed.
It's true that the gems didn't work. Though I'm not sure it was because of the Tribunals edict, or because they wouldn't let Reed destroy them. Either way, Bendis didn't technially contradict anything in that regard.
crimson red
08-13-2007, 04:25 PM
Anyone remember what happened to the power gem after She-hulk took it from Titania in SHe-Hulk comic about a year ago?
Anyone remember what happened to the power gem after She-hulk took it from Titania in SHe-Hulk comic about a year ago?
I believe Reed said She-Hulk gave it to him after the Titania fiasco. That's what got the whole Infinity Gem hunt going.
crimson red
08-13-2007, 07:14 PM
I believe Reed said She-Hulk gave it to him after the Titania fiasco. That's what got the whole Infinity Gem hunt going.
Reed should have busted it out and fought the Hulk then...
Cthulhudrew
08-13-2007, 08:00 PM
Yeah. Last we saw Warlock, he wasn't even in the main dimension. He went somewhere else.
Actually, the last we saw of Warlock, he was in this dimension- he'd left the pocket realm he was living in with Gamora and Atleza in order to investigate some strange compulsion he'd had that brought him once more into the demesnes of Thanos (this was in Thanos #1-4).
I can't quite recall whether the Warlock & Co. appearance in She-Hulk v.1 was before or after Thanos (I want to say after, though I don't feel like researching it right now), at which time he did still have the Soul Gem.
Cthulhudrew
08-13-2007, 08:03 PM
Being a huge fan of the Infinity series---I definately disagree that only Thanos and Warlock were capable of accessing the full power of any given gem. It takes imagination, and a strong will, which are not exclusive to those two.
Absolutely. Nebula, for instance, used them (however briefly).
As for Bendis researching---well, it's pretty apparent that it's up in the air exactly what continuity states about the combined use of the gems. The last word on it was NOT that ruling by the Tribunal.
My understanding is that the Tribunal's ruling only extended to their use in the 616-verse (ie, Eternity's realm) as others have stated. I almost swear it was actually stated to be that case, at one point, but it may not have been explicitly spelled out.
In any event, there are other workarounds- the Man-Beast utilized technology to essentially jerry-rig a means of accessing their joint power, though certainly not on a level equivalent to the direct tapping of the Infinity Gauntlet.
marshal99
08-13-2007, 08:05 PM
When does Bendis care about what other writers wrote previously ? Bendis just write what he feels like writing and he'll add whatever he feels like adding.
Cthulhudrew
08-13-2007, 08:10 PM
Reed should have busted it out and fought the Hulk then...
Again, questionable how useful that would have been. The Power Gem allows unlimited access to a seemingly infinite power source- the Hulk's increasing strength due to his anger makes him a seemingly infinite power source.
Even if Reed (or someone else) could use the Power Gem to overpower the Hulk, the result is likely to be not something anyone would want- when the Champion's Power Gem-fueled rage got going, he ended up destroying an entire planet.
Now, to use some of the other gems on the Hulk- that's your best bet.
Mind Gem- Compel him back into Banner, turn him peaceful, etc.
Time Gem- Freeze him in place forever, reverse his timeline to before he got hit by the Gamma Bomb, age him to a point where he is too feeble to move, etc.
Space Gem- Transport him out into the depths of space/another planet (again!), shift him out of synch with the material world, etc.
Soul Gem- Trap him in Soul World, karmic blast him into submission, etc.
Reality Gem- Too many things to think of with this one. (While you're at it, though, undo the whole Avengers Disassembled/House of M stuff.)
Cthulhudrew
08-13-2007, 08:12 PM
When does Bendis care about what other writers wrote previously ? Bendis just write what he feels like writing and he'll add whatever he feels like adding.
That's not true. Bendis seems to respect and acknowledge a lot of previous work- up to a point. He seems to have stopped somewhere around 1990. :D
Joe Acro
08-14-2007, 06:41 AM
It's possible that's the reason.
Course, that directly conflicts with the notion Busiek gave in the Marvel/DC cross over which stated that the gems cannot be used at all outside the MU.
All that's said in JLA/Avengers is that the gem won't work in the DC universe, as they are designed for another universe. There's nothing to say they won't work in some other universes.
Cthulhudrew
08-14-2007, 07:25 AM
All that's said in JLA/Avengers is that the gem won't work in the DC universe, as they are designed for another universe. There's nothing to say they won't work in some other universes.
That's the impression I got, too. Just like how the Speed Force didn't work in the MU without some outside assistance.
All that's said in JLA/Avengers is that the gem won't work in the DC universe, as they are designed for another universe. There's nothing to say they won't work in some other universes.
If the idea was that they didn't work for the DC universe because they were designed to work in the MU, one would assume that would be true for other universes. Though that's obviously an assumption... Busieks retcon took place well after the Malibu cross over.
But either way, it doesn't make much of a difference... the gems did not actually work in unison in the Illuminati. All Bendis did was have Reed Richards question whether or not they can.
FrogMan
08-15-2007, 05:47 AM
Technically the Ultraverse is a part of the Marvel Universe, while DC is not. So maybe that's why they worked in the Malibu issues. Didn't they work slightly different in the Malibu stuff though? And wasn't there an extra gem, the Ego gem or something?
Technically the Ultraverse is a part of the Marvel Universe, while DC is not. So maybe that's why they worked in the Malibu issues. Didn't they work slightly different in the Malibu stuff though? And wasn't there an extra gem, the Ego gem or something?
Yeah, there was an extra gem that I think had the conscioiusness of the Infinity being or something. And at the end, the rest of the gems actually became beings or something... though all that has since been ignored. A lot of weird stuff happened in the Malibu universe.
marshal99
08-15-2007, 10:14 PM
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