Questions about Dormammu

[OnslaughtKILLS]

Dormammu is an extra-dimensional being and ruler of the Dark Dimension. Though, how strong is he? Is he on par with Dr. Strange? Does Dr. Strange pale in comparisons?

If so, is he close to Mephisto's strength? Does that mean he could withstand attacks against someone like Galactus?

[EnDwiGast]

Dormammu is an extra-dimensional being and ruler of the Dark Dimension. Though, how strong is he? Is he on par with Dr. Strange? Does Dr. Strange pale in comparisons?

If so, is he close to Mephisto's strength? Does that mean he could withstand attacks against someone like Galactus?

Dormammu is composed of pure mystic energy, eclipsing even the greatest of sorcerers in terms of raw power, including Doctor Strange, which is increased and replenished by worship throughout various dimensions. Among many examples, he is capable of matter transmutations, interdimensional or time travel, creating artificial beings, vastly powerful magic blasts, changing his appearance, or empowering others. He can call upon the power of the entire Dark Dimension, but is somewhat more limited when present in another universe. He has been shown as more powerful than Satannish and Mephisto, and apparently served as the creator of the former.[1] Dormammu also held the upper hand in a formal game of cosmic chess against Odin, but it ultimately ended in a draw.[2] He has even dared to directly challenge a manifestation body of Eternity itself, and in one case even overcame it.[3] However, there are still limits to his might. For example, the demon known as Zom has been referred as far more powerful than his sister Umar.[4]

Dormammu is virtually indestructible, and has slightly enhanced strength, speed and stamina, which he can directly empower to levels shown capable of challenging even the Hulk,[5] or by growing to gigantic size. Dormammu is a decent hand-to-hand combatant, trained in an extradimensional fighting style. His chief resources are his boundless magical powers and considerable intellect.

a wiki entry (and i know wikipedia isn't gospel, but I happen to agree with this one)

[OnslaughtKILLS]

Yeah but they act like Dormammu did that on his lonesome, he often used weapons and such.

[Cthulhudrew]

As I recall, Dormammu has almost always been portrayed as being quite a bit more powerful than Dr. Strange.

I'd say he's almost certainly at/around Mephisto's level. Possibly even more powerful, depending on how you view the (ugh!) Englehart Hellcat limited series of a few years back (wherein it was "revealed" that Satannish was actually a servant of Dormammu's, and Satannish and Mephisto have gone at it hammer and tongs before).

One thing to consider, as well- the power level of extradimensional beings such as these appears to vary depending on whether they are in their home dimension or not. Both Mephisto and Dormammu have been shown to be much less powerful in the Earth dimension than at home, for instance.

[DDM]

Dormammu & Umar are Falthines; therefore, extradimensional, alien, to planet Earth's dimension. They are even alien to the Dark Dimension! Fathines--in their natural state--possess no physical form. Dormammu & Umar were exiled as a result of their lust for matter. As a result, they became incarnate, human in form. Dormammu transformed himself into a being of pure mystical energy--merging himself with the Dark Dimension's the Flames of Regency.

Doctor Strange's mentor created mystical barriers to keep the Earth dimension safe from Dormammu's lust to absorb it into the Dark Dimension. As a result, Dormammu must use other means to enter Earth's dimension.

Dormammu, depending on his energy levels & worship of his followers, can be more powerful than Galactus. Dormammu met his match against Eternity.

Also, whenever he's banished or scattered, it is only a matter of time before Dormammu reclaims his rule in the Dark Dimension. In his stead, Umar & Clea have ruled the Dark Dimension.

Umar is younger than Dormammu; therefore, she is not as experienced in the ways of magic as he is. But that does not make her less of a threat. Umar has decided not to turn herself into pure mystical energy because she likes using seduction for as another means of power.

For their stories, read Doctor Strange #68-73 (O: Dormammu & Umar, great script by Roger Stern & art by Paul Smith) (volume 2) & Doctor Strange #21-24 (Dormammu retakes the Dark Dimension from Clea) by Roy & Dann Thomas & Jackson Guice (volume 3).

[Harold of the Rocks]

From that Wiki entry... "However, there are still limits to his might. For example, the demon known as Zom has been referred as far more powerful than his sister Umar."

What does that have to do with Dormammu's limits? So Zom > Umar. So what? Can anyone clarify this?

My sister is more powerful than an infant. What does this say about me? Nothing... other than I have a sister more powerful than an infant.

[DDM]

From that Wiki entry... "However, there are still limits to his might. For example, the demon known as Zom has been referred as far more powerful than his sister Umar."

What does that have to do with Dormammu's limits? So Zom > Umar. So what? Can anyone clarify this?

My sister is more powerful than an infant. What does this say about me? Nothing... other than I have a sister more powerful than an infant.

Eternity is more powerful than Dormammu. Zom fought Umar & she lost.

Dormammu sees Umar are one of his rivals. They are reluctant allies only when it serves each sibling's need.

[The Avenging One]

IIRC Eternity and Dormammu had to join forces to defeat/imprison Zom.

[Harold of the Rocks]

Eternity is more powerful than Dormammu. Zom fought Umar & she lost.

Dormammu sees Umar are one of his rivals. They are reluctant allies only when it serves each sibling's need.So are we saying Umar and Dormammu are equals? No one has clarified that as yet. If that is the premise, it explains plenty... but until that is established, what Umar did against SpongeBob or The Living Tribunal or Gomer Pyle means nothing.

The points in your above post were already clear to me. It's the disconnect between Umar and Dormammu that needs establishing. Seeing someone as a rival does not necessarily make them equals, either.

[Harold of the Rocks]

IIRC Eternity and Dormammu had to join forces to defeat/imprison Zom.Thank you. This at least establishes Dormammu's limits in comparison to Zom. A little more what I was asking for in the first place... provided the 'R' in your IIRC is correct ;) .

[jackolover]

Dormammu & Umar were exiled as a result of their lust for matter. As a result, they became incarnate, human in form. .

It's just like Adam and Eve. Everybody forgets Adam and Eve where brother and sister. Being born from the same father. Or Father and daughter, depending on how you veiw Eves birth from Adam. To me. it starts the same way. Adam and Eve are spirits; immortal and needing of nothing. Then Eve lust after matter and introduces Adam to the same lust and, they become mortal and take on the forms of humans. Then they were exiled from E-DEN and left to roam the earth.

[XPac]

It is worth noting that Dormammu and Umar somehow defeated Eternity in the last Defenders mini (not sure in hell how they did that though... since the whole Eternity/Umar thing is unresolved I wonder if it was even cannon).

[jackolover]

It is worth noting that Dormammu and Umar somehow defeated Eternity in the last Defenders mini (not sure in hell how they did that though... since the whole Eternity/Umar thing is unresolved I wonder if it was even cannon).

I seem to recall the big D defeating Eternity at the end of Ditko's run.

[XPac]

I seem to recall the big D defeating Eternity at the end of Ditko's run.

Did they show how he did it, cause in the Defenders mini it kind of occured off panel. And I can't believe that Dormammu, as powerful as he is, would be anywhere close to Eternity's league.

[jackolover]

Did they show how he did it, cause in the Defenders mini it kind of occured off panel. And I can't believe that Dormammu, as powerful as he is, would be anywhere close to Eternity's league.

Yes. It was Strange Tales #146, and Dormammu went inside Eternity and started blasting him with spells so powerful all the worlds that made up Eternity started exploding and there was extreme chaos, until one vast explosion consumed Dormammu and he didn't exist anymore. The Ancient One couldn't tell what became of Eternity in that battle.