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A-Man
08-11-2007, 06:54 AM
At MARVEL's X-MEN PANEL in CHICAGO, Joe Quesada had an (intentional?) spoilery slip-up concerning the staus of Cable:

(...)A fan followed up with “Anything to look out for?” Joe: “Cable’s a character that will be on the rise” which C.B. shot him a look for saying as much.
Here's the link: http://www.newsarama.com/Chicago_07/Marvel/X-Men/panel.html

I guess most of us suspected that, but now it's confirmed.
Any thoughts?
I, for one, am essentially glad that they didn't waste Cable - his character became more and more intersting lately.

Jack
08-11-2007, 07:34 AM
Cable, or Nate Grey confusingly calling himself Cable? Eh? Eh?

A-Man
08-11-2007, 07:46 AM
Cable, or Nate Grey confusingly calling himself Cable? Eh? Eh?

Uhh, I sincerely hope not...

The Lucky One
08-11-2007, 08:11 AM
Had a feeling. Kinda hoped I was wrong. Bleh.

Well, so who was the death in X-Men #200? They said there was one and that that character was truly dead, and as far as I can tell that only leaves Rogue. But it sounded like Mike had more plans for her character too.

-D

Mikl C
08-11-2007, 08:12 AM
Come back X-Man!
Stay dead Cable!

The Cool Thatguy
08-11-2007, 08:29 AM
Had a feeling. Kinda hoped I was wrong. Bleh.

Well, so who was the death in X-Men #200? They said there was one and that that character was truly dead, and as far as I can tell that only leaves Rogue. But it sounded like Mike had more plans for her character too.

-D

Didn't they kill some other alternate reality characters that issue>?

I'm glad Cable pulled through. As a Cable and Deadpool fan, I hate how Mike pulled him out of the series just so he had a telepath.

Christopher O
08-11-2007, 08:59 AM
Had a feeling. Kinda hoped I was wrong. Bleh.

Well, so who was the death in X-Men #200? They said there was one and that that character was truly dead, and as far as I can tell that only leaves Rogue. But it sounded like Mike had more plans for her character too.

-D
Obviously, it was a bit of misdirection.

Hi-Fi
08-11-2007, 09:02 AM
Come back X-Man!
Stay dead Cable!
Ew. This post is so wrong.

Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-11-2007, 10:14 AM
Come back X-Man!
Stay dead Cable!

Bring your baby mama with you (Threnody)

HeckBoy
08-11-2007, 10:16 AM
Cable, or Nate Grey confusingly calling himself Cable? Eh? Eh?

I'd actually like it the other way around. Somehow permanently de-age Cable back into a 20something and have him go by X-Man. I have never understood where the Cable codename came from, and for someone as powerful as he is, and with such a pedigree, I feel he deserves a better, more identifying codename.

Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-11-2007, 10:19 AM
Well the very original Version of Cable...he wasn't supposed to be Nate Grey (hence the guns) so Cable was a reference to something else.

HeckBoy
08-11-2007, 10:23 AM
Well the very original Version of Cable...he wasn't supposed to be Nate Grey (hence the guns) so Cable was a reference to something else.
I've heard that, but I dont really know the whole story. Did they ever reveal what/who Cable was supposed to be?

Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-11-2007, 10:34 AM
I don't think they did, but then again I'm like you, I don't know the whole story.

Pro
08-11-2007, 10:34 AM
I've heard that, but I dont really know the whole story. Did they ever reveal what/who Cable was supposed to be?

He was basically just supposed to be obligatory big gun toting cyborg guy.
No mutant powers, just a bionic arm and big guns. Liefeld likes big guns.
Did i mention big guns enough? That was pretty much his original concept: big guns.

Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-11-2007, 10:36 AM
he honestly looks more cameron hodge than scott/madelyne

Joe Acro
08-11-2007, 10:50 AM
To me, Cable's death didn't look at that convincing, save the fact that he thought he was going to die. So, I'm not surprised.

Michael P
08-11-2007, 10:53 AM
Is it really a spoiler if the only people who didn't know are the extremely gullible?

Jack
08-11-2007, 11:12 AM
I'd actually like it the other way around. Somehow permanently de-age Cable back into a 20something and have him go by X-Man. I have never understood where the Cable codename came from, and for someone as powerful as he is, and with such a pedigree, I feel he deserves a better, more identifying codename.
And X-Man is your choice? :p

Sentinel K
08-11-2007, 11:15 AM
Is it really a spoiler if the only people who didn't know are the extremely gullible?

No. No it isn't.

HeckBoy
08-11-2007, 11:16 AM
And X-Man is your choice? :p
I figure if the F4 has a Mr. Fantastic, then the X-Men can have their own X-Man . :D

Daithi
08-11-2007, 11:20 AM
I figure if the F4 has a Mr. Fantastic, then the X-Men can have their own X-Man . :D

Yes, yes they can (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-man).

kate-pryde
08-11-2007, 11:37 AM
Is it really a spoiler if the only people who didn't know are the extremely gullible?

Not when Beast posted that Mike Carey swore that Cable is dead and not coming back at a signing.

Either Mike Carey was lying or Beast was posting false information.

Christopher O
08-11-2007, 12:32 PM
Not when Beast posted that Mike Carey swore that Cable is dead and not coming back at a signing.

Either Mike Carey was lying or Beast was posting false information.
Oh, no! A comic book writer lied to maintain the integrity of a story! Let's burn him at the stake!

Slant
08-11-2007, 12:35 PM
Not when Beast posted that Mike Carey swore that Cable is dead and not coming back at a signing.

Either Mike Carey was lying or Beast was posting false information.


So Carey is supposed to just admit that Cable isn't really dead or something?

Red Lotus
08-11-2007, 12:50 PM
So Cable isn't dead. I just hope this isn't like when DiDio said it was Barry Allen Flash in some promo art which made everyone think that Barry was going to come back when it turned out he wasn't.

Hi-Fi
08-11-2007, 12:54 PM
Not when Beast posted that Mike Carey swore that Cable is dead and not coming back at a signing.

Either Mike Carey was lying or Beast was posting false information.
At least now we wont have to hear you moaning about Rachel not sensing Cable's death.

Schuimend Mormel
08-11-2007, 01:20 PM
Dear Anna



I told you so. :p

Slung
08-11-2007, 01:25 PM
Why is it, that Jean has a completely unconvincing, unheroic, craptacular death and its all "dead means dead (for women and depowered mutants)." But Cable gets to die and instantly come back to life. LAME!

Pach!
08-11-2007, 01:27 PM
Why is it, that Jean has a completely unconvincing, unheroic, craptacular death and its all "dead means dead (for women and depowered mutants)." But Cable gets to die and instantly come back to life. LAME!
I'm guessing he was never meant to die, and this isn't a change in the story as much as a part of it.

Slung
08-11-2007, 01:33 PM
I'm guessing he was never meant to die, and this isn't a change in the story as much as a part of it.

Well, Psylocke was meant to come right back to life and look how that worked out.

And Morrison left it WIDE open for Jean to come back right away. He left her waiting to be unhatched on the moon.

Mikl C
08-11-2007, 01:35 PM
I'll have a Jean omelette thnx.

Euks
08-11-2007, 01:37 PM
Oh, no! A comic book writer lied to maintain the integrity of a story! Let's burn him at the stake!

So Carey is supposed to just admit that Cable isn't really dead or something?

I understand kate-pryde's frustration here. Yes, maybe Carey did lie. But he's been extremely forthcoming with details, however cryptic, about X-men 200 and X-men in general, and he hasn't lied in any of them to my knowledge. So if he said that Cable is dead (which maybe he hasn't outright said, but seems to take a pretty firm stand on the subject), then I'm inclined to believe him. If other people say they confirmed Carey said Cable is dead, then it fits with the rest. If this is all just smoke and mirrors, I'll understand, writers can't give away their entire story before it's published afterall. But it just doesn't fit in with the precedent he's set up.

So Cable isn't dead. I just hope this isn't like when DiDio said it was Barry Allen Flash in some promo art which made everyone think that Barry was going to come back when it turned out he wasn't.

I agree. Maybe Carey himself has said Cable is indeed coming back, at which point I'd believe it's truly Cable and not some Nate Grey bastardization. But when the only leak is Joe Quesada, a guy who seems to pride himself in misdirection and flat out lying when need-be, I'm not terribly inclined to believe it until it comes from the horse's mouth. I mean just look at how JQ handled Civil War and the Iron Man/Captain America questions.

Slung
08-11-2007, 01:37 PM
I'll have a Jean omelette thnx.

Ouch...buddy, ouch. I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.

Mikl C
08-11-2007, 01:40 PM
LOL. She'd taste so amazing!

kate-pryde
08-11-2007, 01:43 PM
So Carey is supposed to just admit that Cable isn't really dead or something?

According to Clan Askani (Ashley from Rachel-Summers.com), she heard from someone who talked to Mike at the SDCC, and he admitted Cable wasn't dead.

But several weeks before that, Beast posted that Mike said that Cable was absolutely dead.

So, the question is who's right?

Or, is it a case where Cable isn't really coming back, but it's a reborn Cable/X-Man, so technically both statements are correct?

Slung
08-11-2007, 01:43 PM
LOL. She'd taste so amazing!

You actually made me laugh out loud...and I don't usually do that.

I grant you absolution for Jean blasphemy for my making me laugh.

*waves absolution wand of power in a masculine way (well, as masculine as one can be when waving an absolution wand of power)*

Ice_Cold_Emma_Frost
08-11-2007, 01:49 PM
But several weeks before that, Beast posted that Mike said that Cable was absolutely dead.

Consider the source dear. ;)

DarthCyclopsRLZ
08-11-2007, 04:27 PM
Oh, no! A comic book writer lied to maintain the integrity of a story! Let's burn him at the stake!

Gotta go with Deus and wonder what the hell is all the fuss about?

Carey takes has marching orders like everyone else in the business, nice guy or not.

_Jayme_
08-11-2007, 04:32 PM
I'd pay for the look C.B. gave him after he said that..

Carencey
08-11-2007, 04:42 PM
So Cable's alive?!? YES!!!! So when is he coming back? Soon?

dotdotdot
08-11-2007, 04:48 PM
for hell's sakes....
there's obviously something ambiguous coming. x-man is starting to come around, cable is coming back somehow, yet cable died.............................................. ..............................................SIT AND FIGURE IT OUT

carey wasn't lying yet everyone agrees that "death" was not the end for that character. it ain't that hard, guys.

Christopher O
08-11-2007, 06:18 PM
I understand kate-pryde's frustration here. Yes, maybe Carey did lie. But he's been extremely forthcoming with details, however cryptic, about X-men 200 and X-men in general, and he hasn't lied in any of them to my knowledge. So if he said that Cable is dead (which maybe he hasn't outright said, but seems to take a pretty firm stand on the subject), then I'm inclined to believe him. If other people say they confirmed Carey said Cable is dead, then it fits with the rest. If this is all just smoke and mirrors, I'll understand, writers can't give away their entire story before it's published afterall. But it just doesn't fit in with the precedent he's set up.
Precedent? I can't imagine why Carey would be concerned with a precedent, especially when it could possibly impede the story. Seriously, it's really not a big deal, and let's not start castigating Beast over a possible mix up of information. After all, there are plenty of other reasons to castigate Beast!

Dagger
08-11-2007, 06:34 PM
I'd be all for a Cable/X-Man merge. A younger, shaman-esque version, but maybe not quite as powerful as X-Man was. I was quite bored with the 'MY POWER IS BURNING ME OUT!!!!...!!!' thing that X-Man had going for him in his solo.

Red Lotus
08-11-2007, 06:55 PM
I'd pay for the look C.B. gave him after he said that..

This is to much like what happen with DC and the Flash. DiDio says it Barry then he gets the we hate you look from the other staff.

Bishop_Proudstar
08-11-2007, 10:31 PM
I'd actually like it the other way around. Somehow permanently de-age Cable back into a 20something and have him go by X-Man. I have never understood where the Cable codename came from, and for someone as powerful as he is, and with such a pedigree, I feel he deserves a better, more identifying codename.

Marvel seems to be locked-in to the name, "Cable", at this point...

(ex. "Cable & Deadpool")

Euks
08-11-2007, 10:58 PM
Precedent? I can't imagine why Carey would be concerned with a precedent, especially when it could possibly impede the story. Seriously, it's really not a big deal, and let's not start castigating Beast over a possible mix up of information. After all, there are plenty of other reasons to castigate Beast!

As I said, I understand if he lied. I'm not at all angry if he's mislead us, what I was saying was that based on the information he's given in the past, I was inclined to believe that what he's currently saying is the truth. With that said, I'll be happy to see more Cable, and I'd love for him to be a central figure in MC.

valechan
08-12-2007, 01:10 AM
Was anyone else expecting anything different? From the second I read his "death" I knew he would come back, they all come back... no one really dies in the X-Verse

Mikl C
08-12-2007, 07:40 AM
Was anyone else expecting anything different? From the second I read his "death" I knew he would come back, they all come back... no one really dies in the X-Verse

LOL YOUR AVATAR IS ADORABLE!!!
hehe

Cthulhudrew
08-12-2007, 11:48 AM
I feel he deserves a better, more identifying codename.

HDTV? TIVO? :p

kate-pryde
08-12-2007, 12:40 PM
Was anyone else expecting anything different? From the second I read his "death" I knew he would come back, they all come back... no one really dies in the X-Verse

I don't see Jean coming back any time soon.

rwsmith
08-12-2007, 12:40 PM
I've been saying all along that I think Cable will return as a very different character. Perhaps younger and more X-man like. Or perhaps older but without any techno-organics. Maybe even uber-powerful like he was during the Burnt Offering (though I'd prefer very limited power levels personally, as I liked Cable better when he relied more on weapons and hand-to-hand combat than his TP/TK).

Regardless, whatever they've got planned for him they are trying to keep it under wraps for a reason. Could be interesting.

Peeps
08-12-2007, 02:57 PM
i dont see the reason why people are so worried over whether he lied or not. i dont have to pick up a book at all to know whats going on thanks to people wanting spoilers and what not. in this day and age with info being so readily available to the public, id be dissappointed if editors, artists and writers didnt lie in order to help maintain some sort of surprise.

when they released the phoenix flare for astonishing, i thought that was probably the most brilliant thing ever and people fell for it hook line and sinker and made (imo) colossus' return that much better

Cthulhudrew
08-12-2007, 07:10 PM
I've been saying all along that I think Cable will return as a very different character.

Why not just create an all new character then?

EnDwiGast
08-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Why not just create an all new character then?

I've got to agree with this.

He doesn't have to come back completely the same, but if he's so different that pretty much only the name is the same - then what is the point? Saving the rights to the name?

I do think we may see a revamp who may technically not be the same Cable - but like him or not, the guns and the overall look has become part of who Cable is.

rwsmith
08-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Well, if they're going to bring him back, I'm definitely hoping to see the gray-haired, grizzled old warrior version with the guns. But I don't care if he's still got the techno-organics or not. In fact, with the Winter Soldier kind of stealing his look with the bionic left arm, I wouldn't mind if Nate no longer sported that at all (and, yes, I know Cable had the look first).

But maybe that's just me...

Brian M.
08-12-2007, 09:10 PM
I get this feeling if he really is coming back he's coming back Burnt Offering style.

mattx110
08-12-2007, 10:02 PM
I've got to agree with this.

He doesn't have to come back completely the same, but if he's so different that pretty much only the name is the same - then what is the point? Saving the rights to the name?

I do think we may see a revamp who may technically not be the same Cable - but like him or not, the guns and the overall look has become part of who Cable is.

he might be different, but he'll still have his relationship with all the x-people and they won't have to pull a "you all know me, you just forgot!" type thing.

Accroître
08-12-2007, 10:06 PM
Given that Cable has a huge fan following....how could they create a new character but use an old name that everyone is going to relate to the previous 'owener' of the name. That would just be plain STUPID.

Bring back Cable that has an established position in the Marvel world...why all the killing of great characters? Money...come on now!

CmX
08-12-2007, 10:13 PM
I don't see Jean coming back any time soon.

"anytime soon"

Are the keywords.

cgar
08-12-2007, 10:21 PM
i kinda suspected he would come back since his death wasnt shown, and alonso said the three top characters to watch out for are CABLE, Bishop, and Forge

CmX
08-12-2007, 10:23 PM
i kinda suspected he would come back since his death wasnt shown, and alonso said the three top characters to watch out for are CABLE, Bishop, and Forge

There's a fourth character he's yet to mention. Here's a hint s/he featured in one of our avatars on page #4.

;)

cgar
08-12-2007, 10:27 PM
when you say "they're" are you implying there's more than 1 cuz that would make 5 people to look out for. lol jk...im dense i have no clue. cyclops or wolverine

CmX
08-12-2007, 10:29 PM
when you say "they're" are you implying there's more than 1 cuz that would make 5 people to look out for. lol jk...im dense i have no clue. cyclops or wolverine

Well I couldn't say "he or she" cause that would kinda give it away. :p

EDIT: Better ?

cgar
08-12-2007, 10:35 PM
oh yah much better

so theres Rachel, Wolverine, Cyclops, and my love Psylocke...

im gonna go with Cyclops since he's suppose step up and be top dog like he should be

Cthulhudrew
08-12-2007, 11:14 PM
There's a fourth character he's yet to mention. Here's a hint s/he featured in one of our avatars on page #4.

Shuma Gorath?

rwsmith
08-13-2007, 07:56 AM
I get this feeling if he really is coming back he's coming back Burnt Offering style.

See, to me that's the least interesting version of Cable. Might as well just use Magneto or Jean instead. Uber-powerful characters bore me for the most part. I prefer the physical fighters, so I'm really hoping the Cable that returns is more along the lines of the one that first appeared in the New Mutants. What a badass:

http://www.legionnairecomics.com/web/marvel/tpb_164b.jpg

Brian M.
08-13-2007, 07:57 AM
See, to me that's the least interesting version of Cable. Might as well just use Magneto or Jean instead. Uber-powerful characters bore me for the most part. I prefer the physical fighters, so I'm really hoping the Cable that returns is more along the lines of the one that first appeared in the New Mutants. What a badass:

http://www.legionnairecomics.com/web/marvel/tpb_164b.jpg

Cable w/ a '50 cal straped to his side awesome, but for me I really liked the Burnt Offering type Cable. Conflicted and trying to do the right thing, but always failing. Domino said it best, he always has the best intentions...right up until it goes wrong.

rwsmith
08-13-2007, 08:04 AM
Yeah, I agree, it was an interesting approach and version of the character, and a great story arc. Having said that, I was glad that it was finite and he lost those uber-powerful powers by the end of the arc.

IMO there should only be a few mega-powerful mutants in the Marvel Universe. Xavier and Magneto being up there, and Jean being the absolute pinnacle like she was in the 3rd X-men movie. With a few other powerhouses thrown into the mix here and there (Apocalypse, Exodus, etc.).

One of my favorite scenes with Cable was during Fatal Attractions when he went up against Magneto and was hopelessly outmatched (much like Logan always is when he goes up against him) and Mags tries to kill him by ripping him in half. Nate outsmarted him, though, and knew that by trying to kill him Magneto would lose the hearts and minds of the New Mutants/X-Force forever, which he did. I thought that was great, and it epitomizes how cool Cable can be as a character.

Kind of like the Batman of the X-men. Not the most powerful guy around, but he'll outwit you and outfight you pretty much every time.

jarrod
08-13-2007, 08:06 AM
There's a fourth character he's yet to mention. Here's a hint s/he featured in one of our avatars on page #4.

;)
So, Scott, Logan, Ororo, Jean, Betsy or Rachel?

FortKnox
08-13-2007, 09:32 AM
I've been saying all along that I think Cable will return as a very different character. Perhaps younger and more X-man like. Or perhaps older but without any techno-organics. Maybe even uber-powerful like he was during the Burnt Offering (though I'd prefer very limited power levels personally, as I liked Cable better when he relied more on weapons and hand-to-hand combat than his TP/TK).

Regardless, whatever they've got planned for him they are trying to keep it under wraps for a reason. Could be interesting.

I like it better when Cable uses EVERYTHING that he can use. TP/TK, hand to hand, guns, the Psimitar. A soldier like Cable wouldn't just depend on one thing in a fight/war. And I think it also helps make Cable a well rounded character.

rwsmith
08-13-2007, 10:29 AM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't mind him having TP/TK. It's just uber-powerful TP/TK that I mind. I mean, why would he bother using a gun or fighting anyone hand to hand if he's as powerful as he was during The Burnt Offering?

So, if he has his powers, I hope they are limited.

Brian M.
08-13-2007, 11:15 AM
Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't mind him having TP/TK. It's just uber-powerful TP/TK that I mind. I mean, why would he bother using a gun or fighting anyone hand to hand if he's as powerful as he was during The Burnt Offering?

So, if he has his powers, I hope they are limited.

Cable shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

crimsondiablo
08-13-2007, 12:08 PM
or cable died so an alternate future of the way things are now can come back. cuz the second something truly groundbreaking changed in the past (apocalypse dying/ m-day/ grant morrison) cable's future shouldnt of existed. so if he dies, the baby that gets time tossed can come back from a more hellish future.... and then tell the world the person who shot captain america was really joe q.

jarrod
08-13-2007, 12:51 PM
Cable's future was already wiped actually (hence Rachel being "unstuck" in the timestream rather than landing ~2000 years in the future)... the fact that he remained unchanged (and Scott/Jean presumably retained their memories of Slim/Redd) is a bit of a conundrum.

ClanAskani
08-13-2007, 01:50 PM
Cable's future was already wiped actually (hence Rachel being "unstuck" in the timestream rather than landing ~2000 years in the future)... the fact that he remained unchanged (and Scott/Jean presumably retained their memories of Slim/Redd) is a bit of a conundrum.

I assume it's because Nathan was already in this reality, so his memories remained in tact.

Rachel did retain some of her memories of the Askani future. So those from that future do retain some, if not all, of their memories of what happened.

It's not real science. There no reason it needs to make sense.

According to Clan Askani (Ashley from Rachel-Summers.com), she heard from someone who talked to Mike at the SDCC, and he admitted Cable wasn't dead.

But several weeks before that, Beast posted that Mike said that Cable was absolutely dead.

So, the question is who's right?

Or, is it a case where Cable isn't really coming back, but it's a reborn Cable/X-Man, so technically both statements are correct?

I didn't talk to Mike Carey personally, so I can't say for certain if he was lying. My impression of him from his online interviews is he isn't the type of guy who would be messing with fans. (On the other hand, that might be something Quesada would do, but reports are that this was an accidental leak.)

I do agree that there are things he can't say to give away spoilers. My assumption is that writers would refuse to answer rather than giving a definitive answer. My impression is that both of these cases were instances where fans perceived that he was letting them in on spoilers. Perhaps it wasn't the case and fans were hearing what they wanted to hear?

I'm hopeful that Cable is still alive, and that it is the same Nathan we all know & love that will be returning.

Daithi
08-13-2007, 02:01 PM
Cable's future was already wiped actually (hence Rachel being "unstuck" in the timestream rather than landing ~2000 years in the future)... the fact that he remained unchanged (and Scott/Jean presumably retained their memories of Slim/Redd) is a bit of a conundrum.

That was actually addressed in the Burnt Offering. Scott called him on the fact that his future doesn't exist and Cable responded that maybe Poccy isn't dead.

rwsmith
08-13-2007, 02:57 PM
I'm hopeful that Cable is still alive, and that it is the same Nathan we all know & love that will be returning.

Which one is that?

tent
08-13-2007, 02:59 PM
I seriously doubt Cable died in that explosion.

Even if he did since he is from the future and not from this time line... He can immediately reappear as a younger version of himself!!


I also doubt that Gambit is a bad guy.. whenever Gambit does bad things he is usually a double agent.

EnDwiGast
08-13-2007, 04:11 PM
At no point did I think Cable was truly dead or gone if for no other reason than that he is Marvel's second most successful solo character after Wolverine.

Hopefully he's re-developed some sort of messiah complex in his absence and will come back from the future with answers for what ails the current mutant community.

For the Good of X
08-13-2007, 04:37 PM
It seems that time travel will somehow be invovled, as Sinister is targeting chronal mutants? Perhaps Bishop becomes a target and Forge due to his abilities? Perhaps baby Nathan reappears and that's the first new mutant since M-Day? Who knows. Clearly time travel and such are a part of all this.

We didn't see a body, so he likely ain't dead.

jarrod
08-13-2007, 04:38 PM
That was actually addressed in the Burnt Offering. Scott called him on the fact that his future doesn't exist and Cable responded that maybe Poccy isn't dead.
But then... Rachel? The Askani can't exist without her forming them, and she's here now...

Daithi
08-14-2007, 01:26 AM
But then... Rachel? The Askani can't exist without her forming them, and she's here now...

So is Cable ;) So he can't exist without Rachel forming the Askani. Therefore Rachel did become the Mother Askani but is back here. Chalk it up to a tachyon field in the space time continuum.

My own explanation though is that there were two Rachels. Mother Askani who only existed in astral form like the SK. Rachel in the timestream on her way to the Askani future. When Cable "killed" Poccy with the Psimitar (an Askani weapon), Mother Askani went back in time (her own mutant power) and met Rachel in the timestream. She merged with Rachel (explaning how Rachel still has some memories of the Askani time) and sent her to the end of time for Cable to rescue her.

Askani's Flame
08-14-2007, 07:22 AM
I seriously doubt Cable died in that explosion.

Even if he did since he is from the future and not from this time line... He can immediately reappear as a younger version of himself!!

He is from this timeline. He was born and raised here (for like 2 seconds) before he was shipped of the future.

Also, welcome to the boards!

So is Cable ;) So he can't exist without Rachel forming the Askani. Therefore Rachel did become the Mother Askani but is back here. Chalk it up to a tachyon field in the space time continuum.

My own explanation though is that there were two Rachels. Mother Askani who only existed in astral form like the SK. Rachel in the timestream on her way to the Askani future. When Cable "killed" Poccy with the Psimitar (an Askani weapon), Mother Askani went back in time (her own mutant power) and met Rachel in the timestream. She merged with Rachel (explaning how Rachel still has some memories of the Askani time) and sent her to the end of time for Cable to rescue her.

I like this theory. Also helps explain why Blaquesmith is still around somewhere.

cable guy
08-14-2007, 07:26 AM
Which one is that?

Any previous version, just not a new one.

cable guy
08-14-2007, 07:30 AM
At no point did I think Cable was truly dead or gone if for no other reason than that he is Marvel's second most successful solo character after Wolverine.

Hopefully he's re-developed some sort of messiah complex in his absence and will come back from the future with answers for what ails the current mutant community.

Cable is indeed the second most Marketable mutant, behind Wolverine.

cable guy
08-14-2007, 07:33 AM
Why is it, that Jean has a completely unconvincing, unheroic, craptacular death and its all "dead means dead (for women and depowered mutants)." But Cable gets to die and instantly come back to life. LAME!

It will be a bigger deal when Jean comes back though.

Brian M.
08-14-2007, 08:16 AM
It is curious that the baby is born in Alaska...of all places.

streator
08-14-2007, 08:23 AM
i'm glad he's still alive.

rwsmith
08-14-2007, 11:46 AM
Any previous version, just not a new one.

Give me 90's gun-toting, ass-kicking, hairy, gray-haired (and not stark white) shoot-you-in-the-face Cable then.:)

In fact, since it looks like the rumor about Millar and McNiven taking over Wolverine is only a rumor at this stage, I'm not so sure that a new X-Force relaunch wouldn't be the perfect book for the two of them! I mean, Millar could go absolutely nuts a la the Authority or the Ultimates with a new X-Force book, and it could be really over-the-top, balls-to-the-wall action.

Could be fun IMO.

cable guy
08-14-2007, 03:03 PM
Give me 90's gun-toting, ass-kicking, hairy, gray-haired (and not stark white) shoot-you-in-the-face Cable then.:)

In fact, since it looks like the rumor about Millar and McNiven taking over Wolverine is only a rumor at this stage, I'm not so sure that a new X-Force relaunch wouldn't be the perfect book for the two of them! I mean, Millar could go absolutely nuts a la the Authority or the Ultimates with a new X-Force book, and it could be really over-the-top, balls-to-the-wall action.

Could be fun IMO.

yes.

Yes

And Yes!

ClanAskani
08-15-2007, 11:46 PM
Which one is that?

Y’know, the actual Cable. Not Nate Grey, nor robot/cyborg Cable, nor a deaged Cable, nor any other fake replacement Cable.


It is curious that the baby is born in Alaska...of all places.

The Summers are associated with Alaska, but Nathan was born in Salem Center.

rwsmith
08-16-2007, 07:43 AM
Y’know, the actual Cable. Not Nate Grey, nor robot/cyborg Cable, nor a deaged Cable, nor any other fake replacement Cable.

For the record, cyborg Cable was by far the most popular iteration of the character. That was back when his popularity rivaled Wolverine's, and the character has honestly been losing popularity ever since they revealed him to be little baby Nathan Summers back from the future.

Unfortunately I just don't see any way to retcon that steaming pile of nonsense at this point without it being equally, eye-rollingly stupid. So I just hope that whomever takes on Cable next ignores all of that crap and takes him back to his roots.

Otherwise I think most people will react the same way to his return that they did to his death, and that is with complete and utter indifference.

tent
08-16-2007, 08:49 AM
Since when do X-Characters die from explosions?

One of the most powerful mutants dying from falling debris?


I think for Cable to die there needs to something more spectaular than a expolsion. There was no funeral and no proof he did not body slide or something before the place went boom....

EnDwiGast
08-16-2007, 01:06 PM
For the record, cyborg Cable was by far the most popular iteration of the character. That was back when his popularity rivaled Wolverine's, and the character has honestly been losing popularity ever since they revealed him to be little baby Nathan Summers back from the future.

Unfortunately I just don't see any way to retcon that steaming pile of nonsense at this point without it being equally, eye-rollingly stupid. So I just hope that whomever takes on Cable next ignores all of that crap and takes him back to his roots.

Otherwise I think most people will react the same way to his return that they did to his death, and that is with complete and utter indifference.

I think they could recapture it if we see "a" Cable return who avoids discussing whether he is the same Cable they knew or not.

tent
08-16-2007, 02:35 PM
Listen.
If the Cable we know dies in the past a younger verison of his future self will have record of it.

That younger verison can then stop him from ever dying.

Kind of like in back to the future when Marty left Doc a message!!!

Cable is not dead.

Even if he does he can leave himself a message warning him of Gambit and Sunfires attack!

The Cool Thatguy
08-16-2007, 02:41 PM
Can't believe people are pushing for the 90's version of the character, the one with no substance.

I just hope Cable returns in time to keep his book afloat!

EnDwiGast
08-16-2007, 02:47 PM
Can't believe people are pushing for the 90's version of the character, the one with no substance.

I just hope Cable returns in time to keep his book afloat!

Personally, I wouldn't want to just go back to the 90s status quo. But I did like the element of "mystery man." I think his return would have more of a punch if they didn't spell out exactly who he was from the outset.

I'm hoping that when he does come back, its in a new Cable #1 versus continuing the Cable & Deadpool series.

rwsmith
08-16-2007, 08:31 PM
Can't believe people are pushing for the 90's version of the character, the one with no substance.

I just hope Cable returns in time to keep his book afloat!

I don't read comic books for substance. Sorry, but I don't. Just like I didn't walk into Die Hard 4 or Fantastic Four 2 looking for substance. If I want substance, well, I work in logistics. I serve on several charitable boards as well as one bank board in my home town. I get substance all day long.

And if you truly think that some lame, time-walking wannabe Jedi crap amounts to "substance," well, you need to get out more.

Constantinople
08-17-2007, 07:58 AM
He was basically just supposed to be obligatory big gun toting cyborg guy.
No mutant powers, just a bionic arm and big guns. Liefeld likes big guns.
Did i mention big guns enough? That was pretty much his original concept: big guns.

Wasn't he meant to be Cannonball from the future?

kate-pryde
08-17-2007, 11:48 AM
Wasn't he meant to be Cannonball from the future?

No. At least, it wasn't something Louise Simonson intended to do, according to what Walt Simonson posted last year:

http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?p=3415277#post3415277

Brian M.
08-17-2007, 12:17 PM
Y’know, the actual Cable. Not Nate Grey, nor robot/cyborg Cable, nor a deaged Cable, nor any other fake replacement Cable.




The Summers are associated with Alaska, but Nathan was born in Salem Center.

Yes I know

ProfeZZor X
08-17-2007, 06:03 PM
1) Why can't Mike Carey's X-Men get an artist like that?

2) Who's the new "muscle" (behind Santos) on the New X-Men team?