Paul Cornell (Finally) confirmed as new writer of New Excalibur. [Archive]

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 03:31 PM

I think w/ Claremont, he has a set story in his head a long 30 year story he's always wanted to tell. Whatever title he can get, he'll use those characters to tell that grand story.

Which is a shame, because by and large the original Excalibur was not part OF that story. It was a different creative outlet, where he and Alan Davis got to have a bit of fun. You can't make an Excalibur team into a mutant focused only book, with a deadly serious tone. It doesn't suit that kind of story.

I hope that with Cornell finally in place we'll see the book define its purpose a little better, get a bit more wit in the dialogue, and perhaps continue some of the loose threads from Wisdom, too. I'd love to see young Killraven returned to. I know he's off training with Shang-Chi, now, but that's an interesting story.

I know that somebody on here had mentioned that Cornell was consulted about the British entry in Civil War: Battle Damage Report - which might hint that we'll see the British SHRA covered at some point soon, and a more, while I won't say 'political approach, certainly one which involves British Military Intelligence. In some way you might get a team who feel a bit more like the X-Factor of old, if that were to happen.

Flight

08-10-2007, 03:35 PM

Hope he uses Chamber & Wisdom and keeps Juggernaut.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 03:40 PM

Hope he uses Chamber & Wisdom and keeps Juggernaut.

I'd agree with all three of those choices.

Wisdom is pretty much a given, considering the mini he wrote, but at the ebd of NEX #9 we had Wisdom sketching out the tatoo that Clan Akkaba had put on Chambers chest, on a piece of paper. He stated an intention to follow up on that, but we never saw it happen. I think that NOW is the time to do that.

I also want Juggernaut to stay because a) I want to see his past in Britain and Ireland (With Black Tom) explored furter, b) Wisdom git his criminal record cleared, and if he's gone back to being Cyttorak's pawn I want to see what fallout that might cause, and c) Cain kicks ass. :D

I guess that one depends what plans Marvel might have for him, though...

jester1436

08-10-2007, 03:48 PM

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 03:53 PM

I dunno if I see Chamber joining up with the new Excalibur, since it seems like he's now a New Warrior. Unless that version is a Skrull, kind of like how the one in Runaways was a fake.

Everyone wants to be a Brit with a hole in his chest.

Asw I understood it Decibel was supposed to be related to Jono, but wasn't supposed to be him. Or at least that's how it was phrased before the series began.

Monty_Cristo

08-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Shortpack ...........................

HellFrost

08-10-2007, 03:54 PM

Asw I understood it Decibel was supposed to be related to Jono, but wasn't supposed to be him. Or at least that's how it was phrased before the series began.

It's him... I'm a little upset, but happy at the same time. I'm happy he's being used but, I wish he looked like he used to...:(

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 03:55 PM

Shortpack ...........................

As in you'd like to see on the team?

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 03:55 PM

It's him... I'm a little upset, but happy at the same time. I'm happy he's being used but, I wish he looked like he used to...:(

Well, I guess that might be that option over then. :(

The Lucky One

08-10-2007, 04:05 PM

Hmm. Well, I haven't read it since issue 4 and I'm not going to start now, but hopefully this will please fans.

-D

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 04:21 PM

Hmm. Well, I haven't read it since issue 4 and I'm not going to start now, but hopefully this will please fans.

-D

I'd have a look over the title when Cornell takes over, in your local comic book store. Give it the once over. Paul's a good writer, and very different to Claremont. Many of the things that might have put you off about New Excalibur might just change.

Jack

08-10-2007, 04:25 PM

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 04:34 PM

No Dazzler. No Sage. Juggernaut can stay. Wisdom and Captain Britain have to stay. Would love to see Psylocke with her brother. Would also love to see Union Jack, Spitfire and UJ's team from his mini mixed in. No Sage.

I agree with you there. Both the teams from Wisdom and Union Jack should be mixed in, because they work in the context of Marvel's Britain, right now. The Contessa being SHIELD liaison to the UK for example.

It would be interestiong to see Union Jack and Spitfire interacting on an ongoing book, now they're no longer together, as well.

Monty_Cristo

08-10-2007, 04:35 PM

As in you'd like to see on the team?

egg-zactly! i've been looking for a reason to read this book. i was an avid collector of the original run. and it's not like he could be any lamer than Bean. :) j/k

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 04:38 PM

egg-zactly! i've been looking for a reason to read this book. i was an avid collector of the original run. and it's not like he could be any lamer than Bean. :) j/k

He could actually be quite usefull from an intel point of view.

Monty_Cristo

08-10-2007, 04:41 PM

He could actually be quite usefull from an intel point of view.

possibly. do we know what the team's m.o. is, yet? like what kind of threats do they go up against? i could see him being a resource; similar to how Wisdom sometime consulted old colleagues from Black Air. Shortpack did have connections through the psi-network.

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 05:06 PM

I'm not sure how I feel about this. I hated Wisdom and I don't know if his style is going to change for this book.:(

Still I will collect as long as the characters I love are in it. I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

LOVE your Avvie, HellFrost! :D

Me?

I want:

EUROPEAN AVENGERS BASED IN BRITAIN!

Vanguard!
Shamrock!
Captain Britain!
Meggan!
Wisdom!
Sabra!
Tangerine!

Would be ultra-cool. I may even buy it sans Dazzler!

Cain Marko

08-10-2007, 05:09 PM

Well, since it seems(*knocks on wood*) like Cain will be taking the Juggernaut mantle back and quitting his job of Implausible Hero Guy Who Always Gets His Ass Kicked, I wouldn't mind seeing a nice "parting shot" when/if he leaves Excalibur. Since Cornell is an old Excal fan I'd love to see a homage to this scene on Cain's way out.

http://www.geocities.com/pic_housing/pure_strength3.txt

With the Juggernaut politely letting them know that he has better places to go and people to see. NEX sales that month would jump on the strength of appreciative Juggernaut fans alone. :)

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 05:10 PM

LOVE your Avvie, HellFrost! :D

Me?

I want:

EUROPEAN AVENGERS BASED IN BRITAIN!

Vanguard!
Shamrock!
Captain Britain!
Meggan!
Wisdom!
Sabra!
Tangerine!

Would be ultra-cool. I may even buy it sans Dazzler!

To be honest I agree with most of those, myself. It would certainly bebetter suited to the context.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 05:14 PM

Well, since it seems(*knocks on wood*) like Cain will be taking the Juggernaut mantle back and quitting his job of Implausible Hero Guy Who Always Gets His Ass Kicked, I wouldn't mind seeing a nice "parting shot" when/if he leaves Excalibur. Since Cornell is an old Excal fan I'd love to see a homage to this scene on Cain's way out.

Lol. However, I would have to pull nerd ranks on you here, and point out that Cain would be a lot less likely to be able to do that now. At the time Roma had put a buffer on Cap's powers, in an attempt to get him to work more as team player. He's far more 'Unstoppable' himself now. And Also more likely to try and talk Cain out of leaving.

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 05:17 PM

To be honest I agree with most of those, myself. It would certainly bebetter suited to the context.

I would truly love to have Darkstar in Excalibur, but OH THAT MORRISON just had to ruin my personal fave D-Lister.

I also just think a more broad "European" context with a distinctly English home setting and flavor would catch more people in the readership net than to put it exclusively within the UK.

Cain Marko

08-10-2007, 05:27 PM

Lol. However, I would have to pull nerd ranks on you here, and point out that Cain would be a lot less likely to be able to do that now. At the time Roma had put a buffer on Cap's powers, in an attempt to get him to work more as team player. He's far more 'Unstoppable' himself now. And Also more likely to try and talk Cain out of leaving.

I'd actually prefer Sage be the one to catch that punch this time around instead of Captain Britain to be honest. With Wisdom secretly giving Cain a high-five.

xmanson

08-10-2007, 05:28 PM

Good news, I guess.

Don't really care for the title anyway.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 05:53 PM

I would truly love to have Darkstar in Excalibur, but OH THAT MORRISON just had to ruin my personal fave D-Lister.

I was a big Darkstar fan, too. Such a waste of a character... :(

I also just think a more broad "European" context with a distinctly English home setting and flavor would catch more people in the readership net than to put it exclusively within the UK.

You migt be right, there. It's also why I'd like to see Sabra on this title.

I'd actually prefer Sage be the one to catch that punch this time around instead of Captain Britain to be honest. With Wisdom secretly giving Cain a high-five.

Oh, I'd so buy into that one! :D

Good news, I guess.

Don't really care for the title anyway.

But would you take a second look at it with a new writer and approach?

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 05:56 PM

But would you take a second look at it with a new writer and approach?

Even I would! And I think that NEX is the worst thing that happened in the 21st century. Even worse than Bush being elected twice.

That's pretty serious.

soulkiller

08-10-2007, 06:04 PM

But what's Chris going to write???

Dagger

08-10-2007, 06:10 PM

But what's Chris going to write???
A sequal to his Final flight book?

soulkiller

08-10-2007, 06:13 PM

He already wrote a sequel to his First Flight book, titled "Grounded". :D

I really didn't care for this title, I bought the first 5-6 issues but I didn't find it that interesting. Maybe it will be now?

Flight

08-10-2007, 06:26 PM

A sequal to his Final flight book? Eek!
Are my posting dayz numbered?!~!?!~!~~~~~~~~~

xmanson

08-10-2007, 06:31 PM

I think Claremont may be retiring later this year or early next.

Should do him good.

The Lucky One

08-10-2007, 06:34 PM

I'd have a look over the title when Cornell takes over, in your local comic book store. Give it the once over. Paul's a good writer, and very different to Claremont. Many of the things that might have put you off about New Excalibur might just change.

Heh. If you want me to read it, telling me how different Paul is from Claremont may not be the way to go. ;) But sure, I'll Byrne-steal a copy.

-D

jester1436

08-10-2007, 06:36 PM

I would truly love to have Darkstar in Excalibur, but OH THAT MORRISON just had to ruin my personal fave D-Lister.

I also just think a more broad "European" context with a distinctly English home setting and flavor would catch more people in the readership net than to put it exclusively within the UK.

She'd be SO easy to bring back though.

Perhaps her body started leaking darkforce after she was buried and created a cocoon that brought her back to life, with a moderately tweaked costume and slightly increased powers to allow for it.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 06:36 PM

But what's Chris going to write???

eXiles. That's not going to change. He's just being taken off this book in favour of a different approach.

jester1436

08-10-2007, 06:37 PM

But what's Chris going to write???

Maybe he'll actually do that Generation NeXt mini-series that was solicited ages ago, before he had his health problems.

xmanson

08-10-2007, 06:39 PM

The only reason I'm still reading X-books is because of Claremont, when he leaves NEX I won't be reading any of the 616 x-books. Yay for me.

Anihilation, Hulk and trashing those godawful though baloons in MA will keep me entertained, though

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 06:39 PM

She'd be SO easy to bring back though.

Perhaps her body started leaking darkforce after she was buried and created a cocoon that brought her back to life, with a moderately tweaked costume and slightly increased powers to allow for it.

I'd buy into that. Just to see her back. There aren't that many strong European characters out there, with same level of intrigue Darkstar had.

david r

08-10-2007, 06:46 PM

Hey Marvel, Could You Twist The Knife In Chris Claremont's Back Counter-clockwise Now!

Gene M.

08-10-2007, 06:47 PM

I'm unbelievably pumped about this. I loved Wisdom and I like most of the characters in New Excalibur, so i definitely give this a try. The only thing that worries me about Cornell's writing in Wisdom is that some of the references to UK culture flew right over my head. Hopefully his take on NEX will be a little more accessable to American readers.

Jake V

08-10-2007, 06:48 PM

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xmanson

08-10-2007, 06:50 PM

Hey Marvel, Could You Twist The Knife In Chris Claremont's Back Counter-clockwise Now!

I think it in too deep for them to be able to do that.

Nah, I kid, I kid.

Dagger

08-10-2007, 06:50 PM

Hey Marvel, Could You Twist The Knife In Chris Claremont's Back Counter-clockwise Now!
They're doing the man a huge favor! His work on this title has been severely lacking.

I'd like to see if he's ever going to get to that Gen. neXt title anytime soon!

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 06:56 PM

Hey Marvel, Could You Twist The Knife In Chris Claremont's Back Counter-clockwise Now!

To coin Flight...

http://dramsoc.nuigalway.ie/news/2006_2007/sem1/images/drama.jpg

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 06:58 PM

Hey Marvel, Could You Twist The Knife In Chris Claremont's Back Counter-clockwise Now!

Oh, come on! You know as well as I do that if Claremont had elevated sales on this book, and received acclaim for the quality of his writing here, he would not be off the book. We reap what we sow. A lot of his plans have been vetoed, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that New Excalibur is failing to be received well by the very audience that Marvel wanted, and expected, to lap it up. Excalibur has always been pitched to a ore international audience, but New Excalibur - in Britain in particular - has been greeted with contempt. The book has had 22 issues so far to establish its context and place within the Marvel Universe, and only now in its dying days is it making any attempt to.

There are those who will argue that Cornell's Wisdom series still only made sales of a fraction of what New Excalibur makes under Claremont. But the bottom line is at least two of the 6 issues in that series sold out, and we know that MAX titles don't reprint.

But what Cornell CAN offer is a tone, logic and understanding of the title which Claremont seems to have forgotten about. Had he spent any time building up a background cast, getting his team members actually talking together, interacting, sharing ANYTHING then this title could have worked. Had he included, or even referenced, any of the other heroes, supporting characters, institutions or organisations which exist withing the Britain of Marvel comics in any level of detail at all, maybe the team would have felt like it had more purpose.

But he didn't, and so what is a fine idea on paper translated into what, at times, has been a poor title that editorial decisions aside just could not engage readers.

Marvel haven't fired Chris Claremont, they've just given a failing book to somebody with some strong new ideas for it. That's all. Frankly, what choice did they have. The fanbase of the title and its characters have been very vocal over their wants for it. But Claremont hasn't delivered. There's a demand for a title, still. Just not a demand for CC to be writing it.

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 07:04 PM

Marvel haven't fired Chris Claremont, they've just given a failing book to somebody with some strong new ideas for it. That's all. Frankly, what choice did they have. The fanbase of the title and its characters have been very vocal over their wants for it. But Claremont hasn't delivered. There's a demand for a title, still. Just not a demand for CC to be writing it.

Cheers, Mate!

Agreed wholeheartedly. I love it when good, old titles get a resurgence, new market, and new audience.

NEX was simply a Claremont book, and clearly that in and of itself isn't enough to sell a comic. I hope Excalibur can find a new audience, new direction, and offer a fresh perspective. Especially since the MU is doing much better than the XU at the mo (and I kind of dig that).

So I hope Cornell finds his feet and NEX can be a knockout. I also hope that they drop the "New" from the moniker and just continue on as EXCALIBUR.

I'll even post a stylized picture of Elizabeth I in tribute to this, for Elizabeth is fabulous.

http://civilization4.net/files/info-images/civilopedia/leaders/elizabeth.png

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 07:17 PM

Cheers, Mate!

Agreed wholeheartedly. I love it when good, old titles get a resurgence, new market, and new audience.

NEX was simply a Claremont book, and clearly that in and of itself isn't enough to sell a comic. I hope Excalibur can find a new audience, new direction, and offer a fresh perspective. Especially since the MU is doing much better than the XU at the mo (and I kind of dig that).

So I hope Cornell finds his feet and NEX can be a knockout. I also hope that they drop the "New" from the moniker and just continue on as EXCALIBUR.

I'll even post a stylized picture of Elizabeth I in tribute to this, for Elizabeth is fabulous.

http://civilization4.net/files/info-images/civilopedia/leaders/elizabeth.png

Thanks, Novaya. Did you get that pic from Civilization? :D

Fabulous maybe, but 'Virgin Queen' my ass... She was boinking the Earl of Leicester in a castle not 15 minutes from here.

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 07:18 PM

Thanks, Novaya. Did you get that pic from Civilization? :D

I sure did. I always play as my sexybitch Catherine. Her Cossacks are unrivaled!

The Sword Is Drawn

08-10-2007, 07:18 PM

it's just tough love.

But he maust get some good cash out of roaylties alone. Or not.

He's still got eXiles, you know. Nobody has fired him.

Novaya Havoc

08-10-2007, 07:20 PM

He's still got eXiles, you know. Nobody has fired him.

Exiles is the next target. :evilsmile

Viva la Nocturne!

CmX

08-10-2007, 07:36 PM

Psylocke and Meggan on the new Cornell Excalibur.

No Dazzler, she's disrespected as an X-Man and even worse under a title that makes zero sense for her to be in.

And it's so obvious Sage is headed for Exiles just watch and send TJ home to live happily ever after with T-Bird, I'm tired of CC's horrid mischaracterization of her.

jawbreaker

08-10-2007, 08:46 PM

Everyone wants to be a Brit with a hole in his chest.

lol, almost want to sig that...

and I doubt Cornell would be intersted in Chamber... he wouldnt fit an old school style Excalibur book & when is the last time anyone cared about following up a Tieri concept?

Faded

08-10-2007, 08:49 PM

I HOPE FOR:

Captain Britain
Vanguard
Shamrock
Pete Wisdom
Elsa Bloodstone
Pixie

jester1436

08-10-2007, 08:50 PM

Thanks, Novaya. Did you get that pic from Civilization? :D

Fabulous maybe, but 'Virgin Queen' my ass... She was boinking the Earl of Leicester in a castle not 15 minutes from here.

Remember, heterosexual butt sex doesn't count.

Ewww, I just grossed myself out. :(

jester1436

08-10-2007, 08:53 PM

I personally, would love, an Excalibur team that included the Skrull Beatles, in a manner relevant to the upcoming crazy Skrull storyline. I love Skrull John Lennon.

I also want Darkstar to emerge from her darkness cocoon and kick some ass. Primarily Fantomex ass. Hey, he's French, I'm sure Cornell would LOVE to use him if the book is Euro-centric and not just UK based.

If not, I want Dark Angel to return. And maybe his Excalibur can crossover with Clan Destine when it comes back. Oooh...

Brian M.

08-10-2007, 09:29 PM

Don't worry about Claremont losing pay...he's getting another book.

New Excalibur is receiving a spin-off title which will take Claremont with it. Wisdom writer Paul Cornell will be taking the reigns of Excalibur, and Quesada noted that Cornell is incredibly excited to be working on that series.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/812/812025p1.html

Pach!

08-10-2007, 09:30 PM

Don't worry about Claremont losing pay...he's getting another book.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/812/812025p1.html

The adventures of Sage and Albion!

Hi-Fi

08-10-2007, 09:30 PM

I think the spin-off title they're talking about is the NEX/Exiles crossover, Brian.

Brian M.

08-10-2007, 09:31 PM

I think the spin-off title they're talking about is the NEX/Exiles crossover, Brian.

Doesn't say, but who knows. Maybe it's a Dazzler solo series :cool: Kidding.

Young Avenger

08-10-2007, 10:42 PM

Good news IMO. I liked Wisdom. I will give his first issue a shot.

Dragonheart

08-11-2007, 12:11 AM

Mainly if Nocturne gets dropped out of it, i dont plan on reading it anymore. I may, but if they also drop Jauggernaut, then for sure im done.

Affinity

08-11-2007, 12:54 AM

The adventures of Sage and Albion!

*Brittonya!!!!!

The Sword Is Drawn

08-11-2007, 02:31 AM

I personally, would love, an Excalibur team that included the Skrull Beatles, in a manner relevant to the upcoming crazy Skrull storyline. I love Skrull John Lennon.

Me too. I think it could be genuinely interesting to see where John's loyalties lay, in that situation. He and the other Skrull Beatles decided to get back together to help stop the Kilraven Martians from invading Earth, on the grounds that they had kind of decided they liked this world enough to help. But in a full Skrull invasion? Who knows what side they'd be on.

I also want Darkstar to emerge from her darkness cocoon and kick some ass. Primarily Fantomex ass. Hey, he's French, I'm sure Cornell would LOVE to use him if the book is Euro-centric and not just UK based.

It would certainly be very interesting to see. Like I say, I love Darkstar as a character, and it could be very tastefully done.

If not, I want Dark Angel to return. And maybe his Excalibur can crossover with Clan Destine when it comes back. Oooh...

Both would interest me. I'm not sure quite how copyright might work out with Dark Angel, now. But she's a real potential character, with her power levels and friendship of Psylocke established. She would make sense.

We haven't heard much about Clan Destine for a while have we? I'm still not sure when Marvel actually pencilled it in for.

Jack

08-11-2007, 02:39 AM

The adventures of Sage and Albion!
This will sound weird, but.... oh god I hope so. Then I could happily ignore that book and have Sage out of NEX and Exiles!

madrox1977

08-11-2007, 05:01 AM

I am sooo glad Cornell is going to be taking over writing duties....really enjoyed his wisdom series and obviously his dr who stuff as well.

Darkstar?? cocoon?? i thought she was DEAD didnt htey bury her or did i imagine that.

Skrull John has to be in Excalibur or at least make an appearance along with tink and capt midlands.

ImpulseUCF

08-11-2007, 06:10 AM

I'd actually prefer Sage be the one to catch that punch this time around instead of Captain Britain to be honest. With Wisdom secretly giving Cain a high-five.Hell, I'd buy that issue and frame it!
But would you take a second look at it with a new writer and approach?I may actually give it a try... it doesn't sound like my kinda thing, but I'm willing to give Cornell a chance just like I gave CC a chance.
And it's so obvious Sage is headed for Exiles just watch and send TJ home to live happily ever after with T-Bird, I'm tired of CC's horrid mischaracterization of her.See, I'm all for retiring the original cast with happy endings and shoving them in limbo until Winnick is ready to come back and finish it. Or just leave them there. No harm, no foul.

Jack Flash

08-11-2007, 08:23 AM

New Excalibur

- Union Jack
- Black Knight
- Spitfire
- Arabian Knight
- Tangerine
- Amanda Sefton
- Ursus Major
- One of the Knights of Wundagore
- Micromax

Stephane Garrelie

08-11-2007, 10:26 AM

Don't worry about Claremont losing pay...he's getting another book.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/812/812025p1.html

GREAT NEWS, and maybe just what is needed: A new start that will gave new readers the occasion to find that the quality of Claremont's writing of those characters have improved since his return to work. At first New Excalibur had not been all that it could have been, but since issue 16 it's a great book.

I wonder what will be the cast.
I'ld like he could take with him:
-Sage
-Dazzler
-Albion
-Lyonhart
-Maybe the Juggernaut & Black Tom.
-Amanda Sefton.

We already know that Nocturne will rejoin Exiles.

I hope he will have a Kitty, i think it will be an alternate one in Exiles, so probably not the regular in the new title.

I'ld like him to get Magneto, but i think there's little hope of that. Same for Jean.
Rachel? I'ld like it a lot, but is it possible?
Sebastian Shaw would be fine.
Same for Courtney Ross.
Sketche from the 2000 run is a character i'ld like to see again.
I'ld like Nightcrawler but...
Moira if she could be back from the death.
Some Ex New Mutants members like Sunspot & Magma.

And some new characters of course.

Stephane Garrelie

08-11-2007, 10:34 AM

And yes: If Claremont get a new book, and keep control of Sage, i may even gave a chance to Cornell's new Excalibur.

Fatguy

08-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Get rid of Dazzler, bring back to X-Men, get rid of Juggernaut, bring him back to X-Men. Get rid Sage, put her at the bottom of the ocean.

lol

I agree on point #1 and certainly on #3, but I do hope they keep Juggernaut.

This is excellent news, right now I'm buying and hating Excalibur and I really, really want to be buying and ENJOYING Excalibur. I didnt even read Wisdom and I'm positive this is a good step in the right direction. I dunno who I'd like to see join the team, the question has been brought up before and I keep changing my mind. I would very much love to see Union Jack, if they can make it work. IMHO Captain Britain and Union Jack are the definitive English Marvel characters, and two of the coolest heroes visually in the entire Marvel Universe, so it would be very cool to see them on the same team.

Frank

08-11-2007, 07:35 PM

Finaly we're gonna have a British Excalibur! I've been waiting for this for years. First thing, fire all the Americans. Second, Wisdom as leader. Third, a strong presence of the english spy organisations. A war against the British Hellfire Club would rule.

I can't wait tosee who's gonna draw this thing.

Dazzler

08-11-2007, 09:43 PM

Am I stupid if I really, really wanted Motormouth?

--Dazz

Bishop_Proudstar

08-11-2007, 10:13 PM

Prediction: Excalibur may be cancelled in 2-3 years.

Even Including American X-Men for "The British Avengers" won't work..

This book should've moved towards being The British Avengers, and not ciphoning from The X-Men at their peak.

Captain Britain
Meggan

Psylocke - is an X-man.. Being in Excalibur with her brother is a waste of her character, and her X-Men fans wouldn't tolerate it..for long. Start with her, and return her to The X-Men after 6 issues.

Union Jack
The Black Knight
Lila Cheney (replaces Dazzler)
Cersi
Wisdom
Lionheart
Widget

Bishop_Proudstar

08-11-2007, 10:20 PM

re-start (X-Treme X-Men/X-men X.S.E.) too:

Storm
Black Panther (he'd follow her to the X-men part-time)
Bishop
Juggernaut
Psylocke
Havok
Polaris
Rachel
Ahab

Affinity

08-12-2007, 01:00 AM

Lol. I entirely trust Ben's source right now. ENTIRELY.

I hope he messes with the cast in ANY way he likes. ANY. I will definitely try this!

valechan

08-12-2007, 01:08 AM

I Like Excalibur, the premise for it. It is very very difficult that I would stop buying it for someone as trivial as the change of the writer

Babylon23

08-12-2007, 01:35 AM

Well, I'm glad to see that Marvel has FINALLY gotten around to sorting out this rumour. while I'm sad to see Claremont go, I'm looking forward to seeing what Cornell does. I enjoyed Wisdom a lot, so if he can bring the same storytelling sensibilities to NEX then I'll be happy.

As for what i'd like to see in Cornell's lineup: First of all, get rid of Dazzler. Right now. Send her as far away from the book as possible. Juggernaut too. Send them back to the US. Nocturne is already going, so that's cleared up. Sage will most likely follow CC.

So that leaves Cap and wisdom. As long as Brian stays, I'll be there. I wouldn't mind seeing Captain Midlands. It's a shame we won't see Maureen Raven, although John Raven could be interesting.

I'd reather not see John the Skrull on the team, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Skrull Beatles make an appearance. Personally, I hope this book steers well clear of Bendis' Skrull storyline.

As for new members, it's well past time Meggan came back. Nothing came of tossing her into limbo, so it's time to bring her back. Psylocke should have been on the team from the beginning. Black Knight should have stayed, and should return now.

I'd like to see some Marvel UK characters, especially Dark Angel and Mortigan Goth. Union Jack and Spitfire would be cool. Maybe some Europeans - Darkstar, Ursa Major, Sabra. Micromax would be a welcome return.

I'd also like to see more of this "Britain's collective unconscious" idea from the Wisdom series.

Daithi

08-12-2007, 03:46 AM

Psylocke - is an X-man.. Being in Excalibur with her brother is a waste of her character, and her X-Men fans wouldn't tolerate it..for long. Start with her, and return her to The X-Men after 6 issues.

Psylocke is from Otherworld and a former Captain Britain. She first appeared in Captain Britain issues. She was also a member of STRIKE (UK equivalant of Shield) before the X-Men. I don't see why she should be branded an X-man all her life.
I'd prefer the characters to be more fluid and not "she's a mutant she has to be in an X-title". Beast in Avengers was good fun.

Not too mention that in the UK, Excalibur was never a "mutant" team. It was a superhero team and there was little difference.

Better Cornell's Excalibur than eXiles. I wouldn't mind her in X-Men but to say that her X-Men fans wouldn't tolerate her it Excalibur is bizarre.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-12-2007, 05:56 AM

Are you rolling your eyes at me? :( Or the whole "Brittania" story?

At the whole Britannia story. Well, okay, not at the concept. More at the fact that Claremont had to go and get a post up on a forum to explain that the artist of an issue did not draw what he was asked, and therefore the whole thing doesn't make sense to the reader. If that one panel had been drawn it would have been crystal clear that Sage's personality was gone. A shame.

I agree on point #1 and certainly on #3, but I do hope they keep Juggernaut.

Yes, I'd agree with that. He's one of the few current cast members who could be explored in an interesting way on this book.

This is excellent news, right now I'm buying and hating Excalibur and I really, really want to be buying and ENJOYING Excalibur. I didnt even read Wisdom and I'm positive this is a good step in the right direction. I dunno who I'd like to see join the team, the question has been brought up before and I keep changing my mind. I would very much love to see Union Jack, if they can make it work. IMHO Captain Britain and Union Jack are the definitive English Marvel characters, and two of the coolest heroes visually in the entire Marvel Universe, so it would be very cool to see them on the same team.

Visually, yes. As long as we've got UJ in his current or New Invaders costume. I cringe when I think of the Alan Davis Knights of Pendragon getup. That was BAD. :D

Finaly we're gonna have a British Excalibur! I've been waiting for this for years.

It does seem like it's been an unusually long time, doesn't it?

First thing, fire all the Americans. Second, Wisdom as leader. Third, a strong presence of the english spy organisations. A war against the British Hellfire Club would rule.

All would work in my book. But I wouldn't want to lose Captain Britain in this. Cornell got a handle on Wisdom and Cap's rivalry in just one small paragraph in Wisdom. I'd like to read more of that.

I can't wait tosee who's gonna draw this thing.

Good question. Trevor Hairsine was drawing Wisdom to start out with, but Marvel pulled him off the book and onto something else. His style really suited the tone, but Manuel Garcia continued pretty well.

I do think that this title needs somebody who's going to stand out though. After the farce of fill-in art on this book so far it needs somebody good to mark its new territory.

Am I stupid if I really, really wanted Motormouth?

--Dazz

Not At all. I $%^&ing love Motormouth! How the $%*&ing $%£^ could you not?

Prediction: Excalibur may be cancelled in 2-3 years.

Why would it be, though? Not being funny, but the original run lasted over ten years. And the fanbase never went away. That much has been clear.

Even Including American X-Men for "The British Avengers" won't work..

No, that doesn't work too well. The book needs to go back to defining its own identity. But who's to say that's not what will happen?

This book should've moved towards being The British Avengers, and not ciphoning from The X-Men at their peak.

I'd agree. But it's never too late to go in and correct a mistake.

Psylocke - is an X-man.. Being in Excalibur with her brother is a waste of her character, and her X-Men fans wouldn't tolerate it..for long. Start with her, and return her to The X-Men after 6 issues.

Now there I couldn't disagree more. Psylocke - if were being realistic - is not even a mutant. Her father wasn't human, and the first time she was ever even mentioned in the mutant bracket was when Cklaremont brought her to the X-Men. Before that she was a precog ad telepath, heavily hinted that she had been genetically engineered by Sir James Braddock, along with her two brothers. She was a member STRIKE's psi-division (Think of SHIELD, but for the UK) and even stepped in as Captain Britain when Brian briefly threw in the towel.

There's quite a sizable amount of the character which has been ignored for far too long, and I personally think it's about time she actually returned home for a while. I also think that a lot of X-Fans wouldn't give a wet slap where she was providing she was being written well. She'd certainly get a higher profile role in Excalibur, too.

I Like Excalibur, the premise for it. It is very very difficult that I would stop buying it for someone as trivial as the change of the writer

Exactly. I feel the same way. I've always bought Excalibur, because to me it's the book itself that interest me. I hope there are more people who also feel that way.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-12-2007, 05:57 AM

As for what i'd like to see in Cornell's lineup: First of all, get rid of Dazzler. Right now. Send her as far away from the book as possible. Juggernaut too. Send them back to the US. Nocturne is already going, so that's cleared up. Sage will most likely follow CC.

While I certainly wouldn't mind Cain staying, doing this would make a lot of sense. Let's be honest, a lot of the negativity towards New Excalibur has occurred directly because of the ill placing of these characters on a team which isn't terribly logically done. I'm sure at the time it was partly thought that they were all C list characters, and nobody would mind. But hopefully shocked Marvel to find that all concerned had much larger fanbases than they had thought. And because of that a lot of people did not like seeing their favourite characters here, without a proper direction and a certain amount of mischaracterization.

It's probably better for the title to release those cast members and start afresh. A proper new start, a proper clean sheet on which to write something new, without the associations of the past couple of years.

So that leaves Cap and wisdom. As long as Brian stays, I'll be there. I wouldn't mind seeing Captain Midlands. It's a shame we won't see Maureen Raven, although John Raven could be interesting.

Yes, I'd like to see John followed up on. Granted, last we saw, he was off training with Shang-Chi. But I seriously doubt we'll see that followed up on in Heroes for Hire, so why not use him here. A young Killraven learning about his powers, and possibly forging this odd surrogate father and son relationship with Wisdom.

I'd reather not see John the Skrull on the team, but I wouldn't mind seeing the Skrull Beatles make an appearance. Personally, I hope this book steers well clear of Bendis' Skrull storyline.

I suppose that might be for the best, depending on where it is going. Maybe an issue, guesting the Skrull Beatles, as part of a crossover event - if that's what this leads to - later down the line. It could be interesting.

As for new members, it's well past time Meggan came back. Nothing came of tossing her into limbo, so it's time to bring her back. Psylocke should have been on the team from the beginning. Black Knight should have stayed, and should return now.

I really want to see Meggan been written back in. But a Meggan who is far changed by her experiences, from the weak and soppy creature she so often becomes under certain writers. Meggan easily synchs with her environment, on an elemental level. But hr environment of the last two years has been a void, a wash of whatever exists between dimensions. What kind of effect might that have had on her?

And yes, Psylocke should be there, and Dane seems such a good fit to the team it would be a waste not to feature him.

I'd like to see some Marvel UK characters, especially Dark Angel and Mortigan Goth.

Absolutely. Dark Angel s already firm friends with both Psylocke and the original Excalibur. It'd make perfect sense. And somebody HAS to use Mortigan Goth. Such a brilliant character, that I can't believe he's been in limbo for so long.

Union Jack and Spitfire would be cool.

Former lovers, now no longer. A little bit of friction is always good.

Maybe some Europeans - Darkstar, Ursa Major, Sabra.

Darkstar and Sabra in particular interest me. Sabra has never had a proper extended run on an ongoing, and yet she's such a brilliant character. It seems a shame not to use her in some capacity. She's the exact kind of character who is formed enough to hold a place on a team, but not used so much that she couldn't receive some character development here.

And I very much like the 'cocoon' idea for Darkstar mentioned earlier.

Micromax would be a welcome return.

Again, I think that he gained enough interest from his appearances in Civil War: X-Men and that brief showing in the recent Union Jack series to be a viable candidate. He's also a British Mutant, something which is a rarity these days.

I'd also like to see more of this "Britain's collective unconscious" idea from the Wisdom series.

That is truly what Otherword should be, yes. It's an interesting concept, and one I'd certainly like to see played with more. Maybe finally working out the differences between Otherworld and Avalon - which have always essentially been referred to as the same place in Marvel, and yet two different places at the same time. Somebody aught to clear that up.

Psylocke is from Otherworld and a former Captain Britain. She first appeared in Captain Britain issues. She was also a member of STRIKE (UK equivalant of Shield) before the X-Men. I don't see why she should be branded an X-man all her life.

You beat me to it...

I'd prefer the characters to be more fluid and not "she's a mutant she has to be in an X-title". Beast in Avengers was good fun.

Me too. The days of exclusion, which the mid to late 90s brought, should be over now.

Not too mention that in the UK, Excalibur was never a "mutant" team. It was a superhero team and there was little difference.

Yes. They were never sold as an X-Team until the X-Franchise was defined in the Bob Harras era of Marvel. Lobdell was then charged with MAKING Excalibur an X-Book. Something he couldn't do without culling 80% of the cast, and moving the book away from both it's regular settings and rogues gallery.

Before that they were just like Alpha Flight, some links to the X-Men, but just another international Marvel Universe team. That's even the way they were publicized in Marvel Fanfare, and when they turned up for a stint in Marvel Comics Presents, also.

Better Cornell's Excalibur than eXiles. I wouldn't mind her in X-Men but to say that her X-Men fans wouldn't tolerate her it Excalibur is bizarre.

Totally. 'Bizarre' is the only word for it.

Daithi

08-12-2007, 07:31 AM

I really want to see Meggan been written back in. But a Meggan who is far changed by her experiences, from the weak and soppy creature she so often becomes under certain writers. Meggan easily synchs with her environment, on an elemental level. But hr environment of the last two years has been a void, a wash of whatever exists between dimensions. What kind of effect might that have had on her?

That makes me think of certain Captain who was lost in the timestream. I certainly hope that doesn't happen to Meggan ;)

Bulky Brent

08-12-2007, 07:40 AM

Who knows maybe we might see more Characters introduced in Wisdom this gives me a reason to start picking up NE again :)

SUPERECWFAN1

08-12-2007, 07:46 AM

Claremont will odds are I bet relaunch X-Force or New Mutants as a title. Anyhow.... I'm kinda pleased at this news. The New Exaclibur series really never could get a focus and the health of CC impacted it halfway in. It'll be sad to see him go....but thats fate I suppose. Good luck Cornell.

CmX

08-12-2007, 07:55 AM

Mikl C

08-12-2007, 08:27 AM

TSID <3 Multiquote 4ever!

Speed

08-12-2007, 08:29 AM

Why do they even keep giving books to Claremont?
Out of pity?
His dialogue is outdated, his stories repetitive and the characters he uses always have the same personality.

He works best when given the full 616 X-Men to play with (as seen in the recent arc "End of Greys") but doubt he will ever be given the chance to write that book again.
Exiles suits him fine. An alternate universe book where he can write all his favorite characters and create their own continuity and history without fans screaming for his blood.
Leave him there. I'll be picking up this new Excalibur book depending on the cast.

SUPERECWFAN1

08-12-2007, 08:29 AM

Very doubtful. I think Marvel slowly trying to get him further and further away from the x-universe.

Its said he has a spin-off coming from New Excalibur. I can't see it as a Marvel title away from X-Universe. He was away with Fantastic Four (doing pretty damn good work there) and they pushed him back in as they say.

Mister Mets

08-12-2007, 09:07 AM

I just read the Wisdom mini series.

This is a good choice, and I wish Cornell the best on this book. I'm much more likely to pick this up than Claremont's run. I hope Claremont is given books that make him happy, but don't affect the ones I read. :evilsmile

tetragene

08-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Good news and glad it was finally officially confirmed. I'd like Cornell to almost wipe the slate clean--give the book a clear direction and purpose, kick off the American team members and make it more of a full-fledged British or (even better) European book.

And Claremont is getting ANOTHER new book? WTF is Marvel thinking? I mean, maybe if he was just working on ONE book--the quality of his writing would go up. I don't think he can handle more than one book, like he could back in the eighties. And its a NEX spin-off at that, lol...why oh why? I'm wondering it maybe Nocturne will be shuffled off to it instead of Exiles? Or if maybe it will be a Sage centric book (with a "reformed" Albion)? And doesn't he still have that GeNext book coming out? Lol...Marvel, Marvel, Marvel.

Daithi

08-12-2007, 09:19 AM

And Claremont is getting ANOTHER new book? WTF is Marvel thinking? I mean, maybe if he was just working on ONE book--the quality of his writing would go up. I don't think he can handle more than one book, like he could back in the eighties. And its a NEX spin-off at that, lol...why oh why? I'm wondering it maybe Nocturne will be shuffled off to it instead of Exiles? Or if maybe it will be a Sage centric book (with a "reformed" Albion)? And doesn't he still have that GeNext book coming out? Lol...Marvel, Marvel, Marvel.

I think it's just the crossover between eXiles and NEX. I don't think it's an ongoing title.

Cain Marko

08-12-2007, 09:26 AM

I think the spin-off may be referring to the crossover as well seeing as it doesn't look like there's much he could spin off with. Wisdom should be a lock to stay in NEX. Captain Britain practically is Excalibur so I'd think he's staying too. Nocturne is confirmed already as going to Exiles I thought. Cain has been virtually confirmed as the Juggernaut again, which means he's gone. That leaves Dazzler, Sage, and I guess maybe the new Captain Britain family characters. But if they couldn't sell in NEX proper it seems strange that Marvel would spin them off into another book so that it would theoretically sell even worse. And distract from NEX.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-12-2007, 09:38 AM

That makes me think of certain Captain who was lost in the timestream. I certainly hope that doesn't happen to Meggan ;)

Don't. Even. Mention. The. Name!:mad: :D

Yeah, I know what you mean, but in the case of Meggan it would be more interesting. Like I say her powers and form change due to her surroundings. And if her surrounds are a dimensional rift it could have some interesting effects on her.

TSID <3 Multiquote 4ever!

Yeah. Multiquote Rules. :cool:

Its said he has a spin-off coming from New Excalibur. I can't see it as a Marvel title away from X-Universe. He was away with Fantastic Four (doing pretty damn good work there) and they pushed him back in as they say.

I'm pretty sure the spin-off referenced on IGN was X-Men: Die By The Sword. I doubt it would be anything else.

tetragene

08-12-2007, 10:00 AM

Ah, good news then. Reading the webpage I thought it would be a new ongoing. So...is the mini supposed to run at the same time as Cornell's Excalibur? Or is NEX suspended until the mini is finished?

The Sword Is Drawn

08-12-2007, 10:05 AM

Ah, good news then. Reading the webpage I thought it would be a new ongoing. So...is the mini supposed to run at the same time as Cornell's Excalibur? Or is NEX suspended until the mini is finished?

That's the question, I guess. #24 of NEX goes on sale in October, and the first 2 issues of X-Men: DbtS ship that month also. No statement has been made on that, so I guess we'll have to await the November solicits.

Dazzler

08-12-2007, 12:05 PM

Not At all. I $%^&ing love Motormouth! How the $%*&ing $%£^ could you not?

You took the words right out of my (motor)mouth.

*groan*

ANYWAY, I still want Dazzler to be in the book. Just because the book is set in Britain does not mean that there shouldn't be any American characters. Some Americans do (and prefer) to live abroad than here in our own country. Why not Dazzler? As a musician, it would make sense to me that she would like to strike out in England, where music that is too ahead of the times in America can get a foothold.

--Dazz

SYBERFOX

08-12-2007, 07:25 PM

How About Thunderbird And Lifeguard ?

Oliverhannah

08-13-2007, 04:14 AM

Is Paul start write on issue of #25?

Cos #25 get involued with exiles n New Excail crossover thing..

jarrod

08-13-2007, 06:54 AM

While I miss Meggan dearly, I really like the possibilities her absence opens up for Brian... I want her to come back, but not if it's just in the same capacity, the same old. Returning as a potential villian (or better yet, as the HFC's new White Queen) would be a nice shift though.

Bringing in the remains of Wisdom's MI13 squad might be nice too, but really I think Tink's the only one I could see working on a full fledged Excalibur team. Maybe Captain Midlands, but having two patriotic Captains on the same team feels a bit redundant.

Not really familiar with the Marvel UK characters (barring their brief Excalibur appearances) and I wouldn't mind some new faces in the group, but I still want some core ties to the X-Men. Excalibur may not have been formed as a strict Xbook per se, but the group had largely the same intentions and concerns.... this is still a mutant book at it's core (unlike Alpha Flight).

Ogrebear

08-13-2007, 06:58 AM

This restart for NEx is a good one, I hope it boosts sales.

As for line up
-Dump Sage,
-Transfer Nocturne back to Exiles so she can be with John (or bring them both to Excalibur... but then I like Thunderbird)
-Keep Cain- Juggernaut or not he adds something to the crew, plus he has lots of ties to the UK that need exploring.
-Wisdom; he adds conflict and ties to the govt.
-Dazzler can stay but someone needs to some serious reading to find out her full bio and act on it.

I'd like to see Micromax, Kylun, et all cycle in and out of the book as supporting cast, but I'd rather have a smaller core team.

Arilou

08-13-2007, 01:04 PM

Nice to hear, too bad Claremont will keep Nocturne (which really sucks)

I'd say definately keep Cain, Captain Britain and Wisdom on the team. Personally I'd prefer it to be a larger pan-european team rather than just a british one, but tastes differe I suppose (in that case Nightcrawler is needed)

EnDwiGast

08-13-2007, 02:41 PM

You took the words right out of my (motor)mouth.

*groan*

ANYWAY, I still want Dazzler to be in the book. Just because the book is set in Britain does not mean that there shouldn't be any American characters. Some Americans do (and prefer) to live abroad than here in our own country. Why not Dazzler? As a musician, it would make sense to me that she would like to strike out in England, where music that is too ahead of the times in America can get a foothold.

--Dazz

Like Madonna, for example. :D

EnDwiGast

08-13-2007, 02:47 PM

Psylocke being captain Britain's sister is the only direct X-link this book needs.

I think its past time Excalibur create its own identity. Not the X-Men, not the Avengers, but something uniquely its own. My glimpse at Cornell's writing gives me hope that this will happen.

Its not that I haven't enjoyed past Excalibur stories. The mutant-verse opened the door for Excalibur, just like it did for Alpha Flight. But every time you try to keep them in the X-fold you limit their potential and make them seem like just another X-book.

Its time for something more.

Pach!

08-13-2007, 02:56 PM

Like Madonna, for example. :D

lol. Now I'm going to imagine Dazzler speaking in a fake English accent everytime I read NEX.

Novaya Havoc

08-13-2007, 05:45 PM

lol. Now I'm going to imagine Dazzler speaking in a fake English accent everytime I read NEX.

Ugh, this is why Kylie Minogue = Dazzler, and not MADONNA.

At least Kylie's accent is authentic. :(

streator

08-13-2007, 06:41 PM

i expected marvel to just cancel this book so congrats to its fans for having it around still but cornell on the title won't bring me back to new excalibur.

EnDwiGast

08-13-2007, 06:43 PM

i expected marvel to just cancel this book so congrats to its fans for having it around still but cornell on the title won't bring me back to new excalibur.

out of curiosity, what would?

CmX

08-13-2007, 06:45 PM

out of curiosity, what would?

LOL NICE!

Cornell is going to do something completely different with this book, his Wisdom was a trip I loved it!

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel just relaunched the title at #1... yes again.

EnDwiGast

08-13-2007, 06:49 PM

LOL NICE!

Cornell is going to do something completely different with this book, his Wisdom was a trip I loved it!

I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel just relaunched the title at #1... yes again.

Thanks. I hadn't meant that to sound sarcastic or caustic if it did.

I am genuinely curious.

CmX

08-13-2007, 06:50 PM

Thanks. I hadn't meant that to sound sarcastic or caustic if it did.

I am genuinely curious.

I knew you weren't, it just read funny. :D

EnDwiGast

08-13-2007, 06:51 PM

I knew you weren't, it just read funny. :D

:D ok.

I just didn't want to unintentionally discourage OP from answering.

CmX

08-13-2007, 07:06 PM

:D ok.

I just didn't want to unintentionally discourage OP from answering.

Oh believe me, discouraging someone from making a post here is like making the horse drink the water (?) or.. is it lead the horse to the water? :confused:

xmanson

08-13-2007, 07:46 PM

He seems a fan of the original Excalibur, maybe the book will be more like that...

Christopher O

08-13-2007, 08:36 PM

I know I've said it before but this book needs Elsa Bloodstone. That's all I want!

Frank

08-13-2007, 10:01 PM

She's just a Emma Frost wannabe. :evilsmile

Excelsior

08-13-2007, 10:20 PM

Create a new character, like that fine young partner of Dr. Who's Martha Jones. Yummy yummys

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctor_martha/800/14.jpg

End of Time

08-14-2007, 12:15 AM

Create a new character, like that fine young partner of Dr. Who's Martha Jones. Yummy yummys

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/gallery/doctor_martha/800/14.jpg

who then gets the boot after the first season she appears in... with a lovely blurb on the cover telling us it was: "because the BBC demanded it!"

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 12:33 AM

Can't figure why they wouldn't bring Martha Jones right back.

Has there been any decent explanation for that?

Season 3 is about halfway through or so here in the US.

jarrod

08-14-2007, 06:59 AM

He seems a fan of the original Excalibur, maybe the book will be more like that...
He's a big fan of Ellis era Excalibur though, which is arguably when it most closely tied to the X-verse.

xmanson

08-14-2007, 07:32 AM

Oy vey....

jarrod

08-14-2007, 07:39 AM

streator

08-14-2007, 08:00 AM

out of curiosity, what would?

at this point, honestly, very little.

a creative team that really interests me (cornell by himself doesn't grab me).

a reunion of the original team or similar version thereof.

...

that's probably about it.

Siddon

08-14-2007, 10:01 AM

Can't figure why they wouldn't bring Martha Jones right back.

Has there been any decent explanation for that?

Season 3 is about halfway through or so here in the US.

Well for those of you who are not in the know here are major spoilers

Martha is such a great character that they are moving her to the struggling Torchwood, while for Season 4 the Dr will go back to having the Runaway bride for the Season, Martha will return half-way through and continue on with the series. I would say that it is a lock that she will be in Season 5-up as I doubt BBC would push one character so much unless they plan to keep them around for the long hall. They got lightening in a bottle with Freema (a companion that can really act) so I would assume that they are not letting her go. My fingers are crossed that this means that Gwen will meet some sort of terribly bloody demise.

So in summation what I think this means is that either A. the bride will die this year or B. the Dr is going to have a larger group of companions again, my guess is that Martha and Captain will be joining up for the later missions.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 11:32 AM

Well for those of you who are not in the know here are major spoilers

Thanks. Through the magic of the internet I've been able to make myself as up to date as british fans - for the most part.

Still, I haven't come across any official or speculative explanations for why she would disappear off the radar for any length of time. My impression is that the fans really like her and she seems enthusiastic about being on the show.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 12:01 PM

at this point, honestly, very little.

a creative team that really interests me (cornell by himself doesn't grab me).

a reunion of the original team or similar version thereof.

...

that's probably about it.

I can appreciate that. I'm optimistic, but can't be fully satisfied myself until I see what cornell's version of excalibur actually is. I would also like to know who the artists are going to be.

I liked the original team a lot - but i see it as a product of its time.

Its easier for me since the critical part was having Captain Britain on the team. I do hope they get back to Meggan soon. None of the other founders are available.

I suppose there are those who have always wanted to see excalibur as the European branch of the X-men. I could see that as having been an interesting route to go, but then i would have expected them to set up their own school or at least start finding and bringing in local mutants so that by now their New Mutants and Generation X would be on the team.

There are those who might have wanted to see the founders become a Fantastic Five - a permanent unit like Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben.

Personally, it was great to see Nightcrawler, Shadowcat and Phoenix re-emerge after the mutant massacre and be active once again. But without them, I don't see the need to import a fresh group of American or American-based mutants. As I've posted elsewhere, I would like to see the team emerge as its own entity - neither, Avengers, X-Men, nor FF - but something slightly different but on the same level as them.

So again, i share you concerns about the creative team -- but am just a bit more optimistic about the incoming writer. I tried to guess what similiar would be for you in terms of the line-up. At least though, you'll be able to see almost all of the characters somewhere, even if they aren't together. (Nothing worse than seeing a group you like disappear completely into comics limbo)

Daithi

08-14-2007, 12:26 PM

Its easier for me since the critical part was having Captain Britain on the team. I do hope they get back to Meggan soon. None of the other founders are available.

Rachel can be! I'd like to see Cornell's Rachel. I know there's plenty of British/European characters, but she's a founding member and should have an automatic spot if necessary. I feel the same with O5 X-Men too.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 12:56 PM

Rachel can be! I'd like to see Cornell's Rachel. I know there's plenty of British/European characters, but she's a founding member and should have an automatic spot if necessary. I feel the same with O5 X-Men too.

I thought about her, but she is wrapped up in the X-Men/Shi'ar ongoing storyline.

DDM

08-14-2007, 04:57 PM

I thought about her, but she is wrapped up in the X-Men/Shi'ar ongoing storyline.

Rachel Grey can be easily unwrapped from the Shi'ar stuff. I want to see Rachel Summers & Shadowcat return to Excalibur...

DDM

08-14-2007, 05:00 PM

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 05:28 PM

The problem with this premise is that Excalibur since its inception has been a synthesis of UK's Captain Britain & the mutant X-Men.

Yeah, you're right. :)

Thats a problem I wish New Excalibur would have solved. Hopefully Cornell finally will.

Babylon23

08-14-2007, 05:46 PM

The problem with this premise is that Excalibur since its inception has been a synthesis of UK's Captain Britain & the mutant X-Men.

True, but that doesn't mean the book has to stay that way. The original Excalibur rarely dealt with x-situations. They were much more steeped in Otherworld/Captain Britain history.

Personally, I'd prefer to see a Brtish or European team. It would certainly be better than the hamfisted attempts to insert Dazzler, Nocturne and Sage into the current setting.

Christopher O

08-14-2007, 05:52 PM

He also described the book as "the monthly adventures of the British branch of the X-Men"... while I'm confident we'll get a strong Marvel UK/Otherworld presence, I get the feeling this is still going to squarely be a mutant focused book. As it should be.
Describing Excalibur as it was isn't necessarily telling of how it will be, and it really shouldn't focus on X-Men related stuff. We have plenty of that already.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-14-2007, 05:56 PM

Hi guys. My stingy employers have removed our Internet privileges, so it's been a while since I checked back in. I'm going to be multiquoting a lot, for that reason...:D

How About Thunderbird And Lifeguard ?

You know, when Claremont was still in charge I would have loved those two explored. But with him now out of the picture I'm not so sure.

I would love to see somebody finally make Thunderbird into a credible Asian character, mind. With so many links between the UK and India it would be plausible that Neal were to be with family in England, and god knows an Asian character would certainly be a much welcome and more realistic presence on an British team.

Psylocke being captain Britain's sister is the only direct X-link this book needs.

I think its past time Excalibur create its own identity. Not the X-Men, not the Avengers, but something uniquely its own. My glimpse at Cornell's writing gives me hope that this will happen.

Its not that I haven't enjoyed past Excalibur stories. The mutant-verse opened the door for Excalibur, just like it did for Alpha Flight. But every time you try to keep them in the X-fold you limit their potential and make them seem like just another X-book.

Its time for something more.

I completely agree. In the days before the X-Franchise existed that is what Excalibur had. It was its own entity. There was no 'X-Brand' to tie it to, and so it did its own thing. I miss those days. Excalibur was forced to sell it's identity around the time of Fatal Attractions, abandon much of its cast, guest characters, rogues gallery and sense of place in order to become an X-Book. It's about time it took some of that back.

I know I've said it before but this book needs Elsa Bloodstone. That's all I want!

Providing she's not tied permanently to Nextwave I'd love her on this team. She fits the MI-13/Weird Happenings side of Excalibur perfectly.

who then gets the boot after the first season she appears in... with a lovely blurb on the cover telling us it was: "because the BBC demanded it!"

Martha Jones is pencilled in for half of the next season, and some appearances on Torchwood. She's not gone.

He also described the book as "the monthly adventures of the British branch of the X-Men"... while I'm confident we'll get a strong Marvel UK/Otherworld presence, I get the feeling this is still going to squarely be a mutant focused book. As it should be.

It depends. That was the words on his own blog, trying to explain the book for people who had never heard of it. How else would you explain how Excalibur has largely been regarded over the past decade?

Rachel can be! I'd like to see Cornell's Rachel. I know there's plenty of British/European characters, but she's a founding member and should have an automatic spot if necessary. I feel the same with O5 X-Men too.

I'd love to see her there, but she's tied up with that Shi'ar series for the next year. Here's hoping that when she DOES return she might be available.

Rachel Grey can be easily unwrapped from the Shi'ar stuff. I want to see Rachel Summers & Shadowcat return to Excalibur...

You and me both. But let's be fair, they are both tied up right now, and Kurt too. If Cornell's Excalibur succeeds, of course, then just maybe it might be possible to bring them back next year.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 06:36 PM

True, but that doesn't mean the book has to stay that way. The original Excalibur rarely dealt with x-situations. They were much more steeped in Otherworld/Captain Britain history.

Personally, I'd prefer to see a Brtish or European team. It would certainly be better than the hamfisted attempts to insert Dazzler, Nocturne and Sage into the current setting.

I agree.

Otherwise, if you applied that same thinking to X-Men for example -- then it should be a group of young mutant students attending school. The original concept has grown, just as any spin-offs from it should also eventually grow into their own and cut the apron strings. If it can't, then it won't last.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 06:46 PM

I completely agree. In the days before the X-Franchise existed that is what Excalibur had. It was its own entity. There was no 'X-Brand' to tie it to, and so it did its own thing. I miss those days. Excalibur was forced to sell it's identity around the time of Fatal Attractions, abandon much of its cast, guest characters, rogues gallery and sense of place in order to become an X-Book. It's about time it took some of that back.

Welcome back! The stories I remember most vividly from the early days of Excalibur were drawn from Alan Moore and Alan Davis' Captain Britain material..conveniently reprinted at the time in the Captain Britain TPB.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-14-2007, 06:53 PM

Welcome back! The stories I remember most vividly from the early days of Excalibur were drawn from Alan Moore and Alan Davis' Captain Britain material..conveniently reprinted at the time in the Captain Britain TPB.

They're some of the best stories, too. Because they weren't trying to be something they weren't suited to.

EnDwiGast

08-14-2007, 09:15 PM

I would love to see somebody finally make Thunderbird into a credible Asian character, mind. With so many links between the UK and India it would be plausible that Neal were to be with family in England, and god knows an Asian character would certainly be a much welcome and more realistic presence on an British team.

Would it be something along the lines of The Kumars At No. 42?

btjs

08-14-2007, 10:59 PM

I really want to see more made of Thunderbird III, but not in Excalibur. I'd like to see him do well on another X-Men roster.

Lifeguard, OTOH, I never want to see again. So incredibly happy about Cornell on the book (which was pathetic prior to him). I think all you really need to do is plug in the cast of Wisdom plus Brian and you've got a roster.

jarrod

08-15-2007, 07:51 AM

Describing Excalibur as it was isn't necessarily telling of how it will be, and it really shouldn't focus on X-Men related stuff. We have plenty of that already.
Well, it needn't just be the EU X-Men... but I'd still like strong ties to the western mutant teams and a mutant focus involved. There's more to Marvel mutants than just the X-Men after all...

I completely agree. In the days before the X-Franchise existed that is what Excalibur had. It was its own entity. There was no 'X-Brand' to tie it to, and so it did its own thing. I miss those days. Excalibur was forced to sell it's identity around the time of Fatal Attractions, abandon much of its cast, guest characters, rogues gallery and sense of place in order to become an X-Book. It's about time it took some of that back.
To be fair, the X-Men themselves were far less insular in those days too... they'd face off against Doom, Dracula, Mojo, Skrulls, Loki, etc, etc. Hell, they even brought in MU centric members (like Dazzler, Psylocke or Longshot) and many of their own core villians (like Mystique, Magneto or the Brood) were used routinely in other MU books. It wasn't really until the early 90s that the X-books seemed to almost become their own pocket universe, though it admittedly took Excalibur longer to be sucked into that thanks to Davis.

Still, a modern day Xbook can still have it's own unique identity and still function as an Xbook. Titles like X-Factor or Cable & Deadppol are fantastic examples to follow.

It depends. That was the words on his own blog, trying to explain the book for people who had never heard of it. How else would you explain how Excalibur has largely been regarded over the past decade?.
But more, it's awlays been regarded as that really. Hell, the team was initially formed to replace the "dead" X-Men even.

I'd love to see her there, but she's tied up with that Shi'ar series for the next year. Here's hoping that when she DOES return she might be available.
Rachel would be a great addition, and I think Cornell could play to her unique backgroud and dynamic amazingly. Rachel's a character who I've always felt should be approached from more of a sci-fi angle, being literally from the future should give her a much different perspective on and understanding of current events (at least beyond the "boohoo! I used to be a hound" stuff). There's tons of room to do things with a character like hers.

You and me both. But let's be fair, they are both tied up right now, and Kurt too. If Cornell's Excalibur succeeds, of course, then just maybe it might be possible to bring them back next year.
I think I'd rather see Ellis taking up Kurt and Kitty honestly. While they were great in Exclaibur previously, arguably the best either character has been imo, I think their place is really with the X-Men moreso. Plus Ellis seems best equipped to really drive their characters forward imo.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-15-2007, 04:22 PM

Well, it needn't just be the EU X-Men... but I'd still like strong ties to the western mutant teams and a mutant focus involved. There's more to Marvel mutants than just the X-Men after all...

You know we do have mutants in Marvel's Britain, who could be looked into - Micromax, Kylun, Alchemy, Tangerine. But maybe its about time somebody actually looked at the role of Mutants in the UK, in a context which wasn't specifically tied to the X-Men in the traditional sense. Or questioned just how many people are still 'Warpies' - who I would like to remind people again, since Warren Ellis recently said that word in interview, are NOT mutants. More like MutATES, twisted by fallout from the Jaspers' Warp of the early 80s.

Heck if that Gestalt Jaspers/Fury entity from House of M, shows up during X-Men: Die by the Sword we might have a whole new batch of Warpies on our hands - Black Air would love that...

To be fair, the X-Men themselves were far less insular in those days too... they'd face off against Doom, Dracula, Mojo, Skrulls, Loki, etc, etc. Hell, they even brought in MU centric members (like Dazzler, Psylocke or Longshot) and many of their own core villians (like Mystique, Magneto or the Brood) were used routinely in other MU books. It wasn't really until the early 90s that the X-books seemed to almost become their own pocket universe, though it admittedly took Excalibur longer to be sucked into that thanks to Davis.

Yeah, Davis was a big part of that, granted. It's just that pre-X-Franchise Excalibur had not rarely, but NEVER, featured a big X-Villain in an important role. The nearest thing we saw was a brief appearance in #4 was it, from the Juggernaut, who had been imprisoned in Crossmore for a while. Half the books life never used anybody with a real tie to the X-Books specifically. Excalibur had its own rogues gallery - it didn't need to import.

The only exception to that rule was when Dr Doom showed up for 3 issues, for the Prometheum Exchange story, guest starring Avengers West Coast. But again that was MU rather than X-Men.

I felt incredibly disappointed when Lobdell arrived, and began his tenure by importing the Upstarts. There was no link to Excalibur at all.

Still, a modern day Xbook can still have it's own unique identity and still function as an Xbook. Titles like X-Factor or Cable & Deadppol are fantastic examples to follow.

Indeed. And that's a freedom which the last few years have brought out. New Excalibur could still carve out its own path and be connected. But I;d rather it were an element of a greater picture rather than a focus.

But more, it's awlays been regarded as that really. Hell, the team was initially formed to replace the "dead" X-Men even.

Yeah, that was the reason Kitty and Kurt gave for being part of it all. But Uncanny was still going on. The X-Men weren't dead. And it wasn't ever really referred to outside of the Special which began Excalibur.

Rachel would be a great addition, and I think Cornell could play to her unique backgroud and dynamic amazingly. Rachel's a character who I've always felt should be approached from more of a sci-fi angle, being literally from the future should give her a much different perspective on and understanding of current events (at least beyond the "boohoo! I used to be a hound" stuff). There's tons of room to do things with a character like hers.

This is a writer who is best known for his work with TV's best known and longest running time travel character. Could he do interesting things with Rachel Summers? On paper, hell yes. He could well clear up a few continuity issues, as well. Rachel's story is much more Sci-Fi than superhero - and that's why I think that she's never really fitted so well BEING a traditional X-Man. Because that's not what is so interesting about her. It's not her strength.

I think I'd rather see Ellis taking up Kurt and Kitty honestly. While they were great in Exclaibur previously, arguably the best either character has been imo, I think their place is really with the X-Men moreso. Plus Ellis seems best equipped to really drive their characters forward imo.

He'd do a great job, too. I guess we'll have to see what his line-up looks like, closer to his start on Astonishing.

NickThompson

08-16-2007, 05:50 PM

I'd go CB-Wisdom-Juggs-MI-13 for a team :D

jarrod

08-17-2007, 07:58 AM

You know we do have mutants in Marvel's Britain, who could be looked into - Micromax, Kylun, Alchemy, Tangerine. But maybe its about time somebody actually looked at the role of Mutants in the UK, in a context which wasn't specifically tied to the X-Men in the traditional sense.
Yes! I think this is what I'd prefer more than anything, and I'd honestly love all four (plus Sabra) to be on the team. Xaiver's needed be the only path forward...

Or questioned just how many people are still 'Warpies' - who I would like to remind people again, since Warren Ellis recently said that word in interview, are NOT mutants. More like MutATES, twisted by fallout from the Jaspers' Warp of the early 80s.

Heck if that Gestalt Jaspers/Fury entity from House of M, shows up during X-Men: Die by the Sword we might have a whole new batch of Warpies on our hands - Black Air would love that...
I'm sort of wondering if Ellis' Warpies won't be from the fallout of Wanda's actions? If Jaspers (comparably) limited warps in 616 had those sorts of side effects, who knows what Wanda's worldwide woogie might've done?

Yeah, Davis was a big part of that, granted. It's just that pre-X-Franchise Excalibur had not rarely, but NEVER, featured a big X-Villain in an important role. The nearest thing we saw was a brief appearance in #4 was it, from the Juggernaut, who had been imprisoned in Crossmore for a while. Half the books life never used anybody with a real tie to the X-Books specifically. Excalibur had its own rogues gallery - it didn't need to import.

The only exception to that rule was when Dr Doom showed up for 3 issues, for the Prometheum Exchange story, guest starring Avengers West Coast. But again that was MU rather than X-Men.
Well, there were also tiffs with Mojo, Mesmero and the Shadow King (though that last one wasn't published until later. But really, in those days the same could largely be said of X-Factor or New Mutants... all the Xbooks really had their own core villians, and it wasn't until the 1990s that threats really started converging and crossing over (ie: Apocalypse against the X-men, Sinister against X-Factor, etc). Plus Excalibur's unique villians were mainly just CB hold-overs (Crazy Gang, Technet, Sat-yr-9, Jamie, RCX, Vixen, etc) anyway.... the only real "unique" villians the series spawned early on were the Warwolves, and they were tied to Mojo even.

Another factor (and likely why Excalibur was continually left out of later Claremont X-overs like X-tinction Agenda or the Muir Island Saga) was that pre-Davis return, it was always assumed that if they found the X-Men were alive and well, the group would probably disband with Kitty, Kurt and Rachel likely wanting to return to America. With the team being literally founded upon the X-Men's deaths, Excalibur really needed a longer gestation period to bond and more distance to ensure that.... I think this played a lot into the early separation under Claremont, but outside occasional X-overs and physical distance, I never felt a book X-Factor was really closer tied to the X-Men either in those days. And Excalibur definitely felt closer tied to the X-verse than books like Alpha Flight or Champions, they were still united under Xaiver's ideals and vision.

I felt incredibly disappointed when Lobdell arrived, and began his tenure by importing the Upstarts. There was no link to Excalibur at all.
Ditto, it was crap, as was the way Brian, Meggan, Cerise, Kylun, Feron, Mirocmax and Alistaire were cheaply written out (and Rachel later on). I did like the move to Muir though (never liked Braddock Manor as a base honestly), the fight with the Acolytes was good fun and adding Moira, Douglock and Amanda was fantastic... granted basically any Lobdell stories outside AOA, early GenX or OZT were manure, but at least it paved the way for Ellis to come in and do some great things later.

Indeed. And that's a freedom which the last few years have brought out. New Excalibur could still carve out its own path and be connected. But I;d rather it were an element of a greater picture rather than a focus.
I agree, and really I think that's what Cornell's going to do. This is going to be an Xbook still, it's going to feature mutants mainly probably, but it's not going to be at all limited to that scope.

Yeah, that was the reason Kitty and Kurt gave for being part of it all. But Uncanny was still going on. The X-Men weren't dead. And it wasn't ever really referred to outside of the Special which began Excalibur.
Heh, if it'd have happened today though, they'd have probably called the book "X-Men UK" or some such nonsense. ;)

This is a writer who is best known for his work with TV's best known and longest running time travel character. Could he do interesting things with Rachel Summers? On paper, hell yes. He could well clear up a few continuity issues, as well. Rachel's story is much more Sci-Fi than superhero - and that's why I think that she's never really fitted so well BEING a traditional X-Man. Because that's not what is so interesting about her. It's not her strength.
Totally, totally agreed. This is also why I felt she worked so well in Weinberg's Cable, these elements were really brought to the forefront... I'm really hoping someone makes use of Ray after EV though, especially since her background (being a time traveler) actually seems to have some relevance to current stories.

He'd do a great job, too. I guess we'll have to see what his line-up looks like, closer to his start on Astonishing.
I'm personally hoping for the current Astonishing plus Kurt, Ororo, Xaiver and Tabitha... but that may be too much star power and too large a cast for just one book. I'd definitely dump Hank and Scott though if we could slide Kurt and Ororo in there.

EnDwiGast

08-20-2007, 01:12 PM

i have completely lost track of who Magma is since i believe she's had a few status quo altering origin shifts, but until I posted in another thread, I had forgotten that at one point she was considered to be british.

If that is still in effect, then there really are quite a few UK mutants - who, if trained, should be ready to come home.

DDM

08-20-2007, 01:29 PM

EnDwiGast

08-20-2007, 02:04 PM

Magma is back to being Amara Aquilla since X-Treme X-Men. The Alison Crestmere garbage negated Selene's origin too.

Ah. Ok. Thanks.

The entire run of Xtreme Xmen happened during a period of time when I wasn't following the XMen. I still have yet to read a single issue, though i plan to eventually.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-20-2007, 02:18 PM

That said, with the whole New Rome roots and all, I don't think Amara would be a bad fit to a more British and European Excalibur.

CmX

08-20-2007, 03:01 PM

Ah. Ok. Thanks.

The entire run of Xtreme Xmen happened during a period of time when I wasn't following the XMen. I still have yet to read a single issue, though i plan to eventually.

Don't bother. All the plots that were left open ended seem abandoned and/or forgotten/retconned.

DDM

08-20-2007, 03:06 PM

Ah. Ok. Thanks.

The entire run of Xtreme Xmen happened during a period of time when I wasn't following the XMen. I still have yet to read a single issue, though i plan to eventually.

Amara mentions the "Alison Crestmere" persona was an illusion created by Selene to taunt her in the latter issues of X-Treme X-Men.

DDM

08-20-2007, 03:09 PM

Don't bother. All the plots that were left open ended seem abandoned and/or forgotten/retconned.

Chris Claremont fixed Amara's origin with a single line in X-Treme X-Men during the "Prisoner of Fire" arc from the mess created in The New Warriors; there's nothing irrelevant about it since Amara's status has not changed. Amara's true origin remains The New Mutants #8-11 (1983) when Chris Claremont established Nova Roma, Magma, & Selene & her Cult of Fire.

CmX

08-20-2007, 03:26 PM

Chris Claremont fixed Amara's origin with a single line in X-Treme X-Men during the "Prisoner of Fire" arc from the mess created in The New Warriors; there's nothing irrelevant about it since Amara's status has not changed. Amara's true origin remains The New Mutants #8-11 (1983) when Chris Claremont established Nova Roma, Magma, & Selene & her Cult of Fire.

That's hot!

And I wasn't referring to Magma and I was just talking the mess that Xtreme XMen was. Abandoned plotlines every freak'n damn arc.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-20-2007, 05:29 PM

Is putting Amara on Excalibur, with tenuous Nova Roma roots linking her to Europe, a bridge too far?

EnDwiGast

08-20-2007, 06:19 PM

Is putting Amara on Excalibur, with tenuous Nova Roma roots linking her to Europe, a bridge too far?

I would think so too, at least right now. Since she has no English ties anymore - further exploration of her would require getting into Nova Roma in Brazil.

I would rather see that time spent exploring or digging deeper into the UK.

If her English ties had stuck, then post-Decimation I could have seen her heading to England for a fresh start exploring her true roots. Since it was all a facade, then i see no pressing reason for her to do that.

CmX

08-20-2007, 06:31 PM

Is putting Amara on Excalibur, with tenuous Nova Roma roots linking her to Europe, a bridge too far?

Not really especially after Juggernaut, Sage, Dazzler and Nocturne being members of Excalibur who have no European ties whatsoever.

Dagger

08-20-2007, 06:53 PM

I'd rather her not. She deserves her chance to shine on the A-team, not get put on a book that most likely noone will read. Get her together with some of her friends, and get a writer who's interested in developing her develop her.

Babylon23

08-20-2007, 09:42 PM

Given the current tenuous (or nonexistent) links that the current lineup of the team has to Europe, I don't see any problem with Magma being there.

Daithi

08-21-2007, 02:33 AM

Depends on what Cornell is going to do. European X-Men/Avengers, then no. Sci-Fantasy book? Sure.

jarrod

08-21-2007, 07:05 AM

Not really especially after Juggernaut, Sage, Dazzler and Nocturne being members of Excalibur who have no European ties whatsoever.
Well, they each also had loose European ties. Tessa's Welsh, which is a pretty direct tie actually. Cain spent time in the UK with Tom and served time in Crossmoor. TJ's parents are German. And Ali was, um... in Europe I guess? :P

jarrod

08-21-2007, 07:10 AM

I've just had a revelation! We need to Ghost of Moira MacTaggert on this team!!! :D

The Sword Is Drawn

08-21-2007, 05:48 PM

Well, they each also had loose European ties. Tessa's Welsh, which is a pretty direct tie actually. Cain spent time in the UK with Tom and served time in Crossmoor. TJ's parents are German. And Ali was, um... in Europe I guess? :P

Indeed. I just wish that all of those ties had been explored more. When I first heard the cast for this new Excalibur I wasn't exactly bowled over, but had expected and hoped that we'd get some kind of exploration of the cast.

I wanted to find out more about Cain and Black Tom's days as career criminals in the UK and Ireland. They were there on and off quite a bit for a while, what connections did Cain make? Could he still approach any of them now he's a good guy?

Just how Welsh was Sage? What were her roots? Who are her family? Could Back Air hack her data streams? What place was there for a mutant who can jumpstart mutant powers post-M-day? What role did she still have with the Hellfire Club?

I hoped for at least some kind of discussion from Nocturne about her Mother, an acknowledgement and exploration of her being hunted down during House of M, for being part of the Magneto bloodline. Maybe she recalled that her 'mother' was involved with what happened. Maybe Excalibur could start asking the X-Men or the Avengers some awkward questions in trying to find, or even not being able to find Wanda.

At least I had hoped that Juggernaut and Nocturne had some proper exchanging of notes about Mojoworld with Dazzler. I had hoped Nocturne would let slip that Longshot was not as dead as Dazzler thought.

And I really had hoped that we'd have seen Dazzler torn between rebuilding her career and being a member of New Excalibur. Maybe some other revelations of quite how she got to playing the least attractive clubs of London's East End. Maybe some explanation of any number of dodgy parts of her confusing continuity.

There was so much potential for development and interesting interaction. Yet Claremont used about 10% of that, in the end. I personally think that many writers COULD have made this team work. It's just a case of exploring your cast and getting them talking to each other.

I've just had a revelation! We need to Ghost of Moira MacTaggert on this team!!! :D

What???:confused:

xmanson

08-21-2007, 06:08 PM

Thir first mission should be to save those goblins/dwarves/elves/whatever from Sean's castle!!!

The Sword Is Drawn

08-21-2007, 06:26 PM

Thir first mission should be to save those goblins/dwarves/elves/whatever from Sean's castle!!!

Ha ha! Have the 'Little People' been seen again, since they first appeared?

Cain Marko

08-21-2007, 07:55 PM

Well, they each also had loose European ties. Tessa's Welsh, which is a pretty direct tie actually. Cain spent time in the UK with Tom and served time in Crossmoor. TJ's parents are German. And Ali was, um... in Europe I guess? :P

I don't know if the simple act of having been to Europe before constitutes a "tie" to it, loose or otherwise. Cain that I can think of has never had anything but a couple of brief visits there. And that was only a work thing. So he's about as tied to it as I am to Disneyland. Dazzler, that I know of, is no more tied to it than Cain is. And TJ is from another universe altogether.

Dagger

08-21-2007, 08:10 PM

I can see why Ali would be over there being a dance/disco/techno/house singer since that kind of music is way more popular than over here in the states. I kinda imagine her to be a bit like Anastacia, she's said to have powerhouse vocals(which Anastacia has) but it fits better with the dance music more so than the pop stuff she's tried to crossover with.

Proof: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tjctCHh2nU

Babylon23

08-21-2007, 10:52 PM

Ha ha! Have the 'Little People' been seen again, since they first appeared?

The Little People showed up in a couple of issues of Generation X in its early days.

Frank

08-22-2007, 01:13 AM

I'd go CB-Wisdom-Juggs-MI-13 for a team :D

Jugg is not British.

That's something that has to change for Excalibur to be what it need to be.

The Sword Is Drawn

08-22-2007, 01:34 AM

I don't know if the simple act of having been to Europe before constitutes a "tie" to it, loose or otherwise. Cain that I can think of has never had anything but a couple of brief visits there. And that was only a work thing. So he's about as tied to it as I am to Disneyland. Dazzler, that I know of, is no more tied to it than Cain is. And TJ is from another universe altogether.

Sure, we only saw a couple of broef examples in panel, but it's perfectly logical to assume that as Black Tom was based in Ireland and the UK that the two of them had spent longer periods of time doing their thing over there/ Perfectly logical.

The only reason Dazzler wuld be in the UK was a failed attempt to relaunch her career, a la Madonna. That really should have been explored more if you ask me. I don't mind that she isn't British, but I'd have liked to have seen more exploration of that, and possibly even some attempt acknowledging that she sed to be friends with Psylocke, considering she was working with her twin brother.

And okay, Nocturne is from an alternate earth, but she is also daugter of two German parents.

I can see why Ali would be over there being a dance/disco/techno/house singer since that kind of music is way more popular than over here in the states.

Exactly. A number of US acts have come to the Uk and to Europe to relaunch their careers, to great effect. It didn't work out for Dazzler. I'd like to have read about the how and why of that?

The Little People showed up in a couple of issues of Generation X in its early days.

I vaguely remember that. I'm going to have to dig out some back issues I think ;)

Jugg is not British.

That's something that has to change for Excalibur to be what it need to be.

I don't think it has to change entirely. A couple of not British or European team members is fine, in my eyes, providing they have a credible reason to be there. I'd love to see the Back Knight back on board, for example. He's American, but his origin is tied firmly to the UK.