What would you retcon?

[Crimson]

A Marvel Editor comes up to you (As they are known for) and gives you the opportunity to take one thing in the X-Men mythos and retcon it... either delete it from existence or explain it some other way.

What you remove or change?

If you change something explain what too.

[Flight]

This thread!!!

[Crimson]

This thread!!!

Oh the paradox!

[Slung]

This thread!!!

Flight's post!!!

[Flight]

Your breasts!

[DaeJi]

I would take away Wolverine's massive healing factor, and return him to what he was when he first came out. I would say that a magic parasite or something was responable for his healing, and that he doesn't have it anymore and can't fight the Hulk and getting caught in the blast of a bomb would kill him. I would make him rely on his impressive fighting skills and not just act like a damage sponge.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

everything

Id reboot the mutant universe


Pixie would be the original X-man

[GoingGreen]

Vulcan, Ernst, and Sage's existence.

[Brian M.]

Jean Grey dieing and Scott going to Emma Frost. Fix the marriage.

[RoguishGurl]

Gambit becoming a Horseman.

[Bart Simpson]

Nothing at all.

[Slung]

Your breasts!

Its too late! I don't have breasts! I just retconned it before you could!

*confuses Flight with illogical-ness*

[jade_nova]

I would bring back the mutants Marvel got rid of at the end of House of M.

[Monty_Cristo]

A Marvel Editor comes up to you (As they are known for) and gives you the opportunity to take one thing in the X-Men mythos and retcon it... either delete it from existence or explain it some other way.

What you remove or change?

If you change something explain what too.

i would get rid of Mystique's crueler acts ex. cutting Banshee's throat, murdering Moira, etc. i'm fine with her being an untrustworthy terrorist but come on...

I would take away Wolverine's massive healing factor, and return him to what he was when he first came out.

a wolverine hyper-evolved into a man?

[gravling]

i'd retcon the retcon they did on xorn after grant morrison's run on new x-men. 'it's xorn, no, it's magneto, no it's really xorn!' pffffffft - i know morrison's stuff was pretty dark and controversial, but come on, magneto's supposed to be a villain, retconning his being xorn into xorn being xorn and not magneto (as convoluted as it sounds, really) was just daft.

[gravling]

oh and i'd remove the entire last arc of wolverine- which is perhaps the worst story i have ever read. in any comic in twenty-odd years of reading comics. and get rid of that STUPID bloody sword which is the dumbest thing marvel have ever come up with. enough of these stupid origins stories, let wolverine go back to being this dark, shady character whose past was a big grey area and shrouded in mystery and trauma. . . they're just screwing the character up completely at the moment.

[Monty_Cristo]

oh and i'd remove the entire last arc of wolverine- which is perhaps the worst story i have ever read.

and that's how i feel about Morrison's Magneto story; biggest pile of indulgent character assassination i've ever had the displeasure of smelling.

[Volk1]

I would tweak Decimation. Cyclops, Wolverine, and Storm: DEPOWERED.

Emma Frost and Beast become the new leaders of the X-Men.

[HellFrost]

I would take away Wolverine's massive healing factor, and return him to what he was when he first came out. I would say that a magic parasite or something was responable for his healing, and that he doesn't have it anymore and can't fight the Hulk and getting caught in the blast of a bomb would kill him. I would make him rely on his impressive fighting skills and not just act like a damage sponge.

YES!

You win. This was the FIRST thing I thought of.

[Mitteloss]

The whole Daap/Lorna thing.

[Faded]

I think I'd do a (lousy) retcon in saying that while many mutants' X-Gene had been erased, a select few's had been repressed (like Iceman), including Marrow, Scanner, Wind Dancer, Rictor, Blob, and Magneto. It'd be interesting at least to see how Marrow would react since she has aligned with so many depowerees. Could be redemptive for her.

I'd retcon out a lot of people's retconned origins, mainly because they suck or often remove a certain mystique that I found so alluring about some characters.

I'd very carefully try to fix the Monet mess, but it would have to be planned out quite well as to not make things worst. If it can't get better, then don't do it at all.

Risque wouldn't be dead. She was actually taken by Mister Sinister (who was working with the U-Men), who had wanted to examine her closer since their last encounter (--see X-Force #57. <3, Editor Faded lol). She escaped in the laboratory located in Genosha where she became a stowaway to get back to America via SHIELD or whatever Omega Sentinel/Shola thing that happened in Excalibur. She's been laying low since then. Fin.

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

if i couldnt do a full reboot

I'd retcon Wolverine's origin.

That story was awful

[jarrod]

The Draco.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

Excalibur being shoehorned into the X-Franchise...:rolleyes:

[Novaya Havoc]

I'd retcon all of NEX as the result of Dazzler having a bad acid trip after her stage performance in NEX 1.

[rwsmith]

I'd have it revealed that the Skrulls have completely infiltrated the governments of all of the major countries in the world, and the heroes (registered and non-registered alike) band together to try and defeat them. This time, however, they cannot win, as the Skrulls have too much power at their disposal. The majority of Earth's human population is killed by a bio-engineered virus and/or Skrull death camps, and most of the heroes have been wiped out. Reed Richards finds another alternate universe which exhibits many of the same unique qualities of Earth 616, so he takes him family and tries to flee there through the Negative Zone, but before he leaves he arms a bomb that will destroy the entire planet. Just before he can escape, however, the Skrulls burst in, so he detonates the bomb and destroys everything. Fade to black. The end.

Next month, everything starts over in Ultimate Universe. Amazing Spider-man #1 starts off with the teenaged Peter Parker we've been reading about in the Ultimate Spider-man title, but it comes out three times a month with a rotating creative team. Uncanny X-men #1 picks up with the Ultimate X-men and comes out twice a month with a rotating creative team. And so on and so forth. Everything is 'Ultimatized.' A total retcon.

But if I had to pick just one thing, I'd probably go with Daeji's suggestion and make Logan's healing factor more like it was in the 80's.

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd retcon all of NEX as the result of Dazzler having a bad acid trip after her stage performance in NEX 1.

It would certainly explain a few things....:rolleyes:

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

id retcon it that the cast of Excalibur where actually the ones who were the terrorist in those first couple of issues


and the FLying family of mutants are the heroes.

For they were interesting.

And dazzler was a skrull of some sort

[jester1436]

I'd reveal that Sage is actually V.I.C.I. from "Small Wonder."

http://www.2and2.net/files/46bbab666c6ac.jpg

[The Sword Is Drawn]

I'd have Captain Britain waking up to find that he'd spent the last two years tied up to VR suite in a Black Air complex, where they'd been testing on him.

Wisdom, Union Jack and Elsa Bloodstone break him out and start a new genuinely British Excalibur team.

[rZi]

I would undone House of M, all mutants re-powered

Wolverines origins would be a bad dream

[Diablito]

I would retcon Sage!

[Monty_Cristo]

I would retcon Sage!

i did like Tessa better. she was more fun/mysterious; Marcie to Shaw's Peppermint Patty.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Double post.

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I would retcon Sage!

We're talking 'brutal senseless death a la South Park', right? :D

Retcon alone isn't nearly enough.


I would undone House of M, all mutants re-powered

Wolverines origins would be a bad dream

Now that would be nice. Still haven't gotten over how Sabes had to be offed by the the ultimate phallic symbol. On the bright side, that coffin scene in ES sure makes a lot more sense.

But then again, although I do like Wolvie quite a lot, most of his solo adventures qualify as just that.

"Bah, the pissed off samourai motif just isn't rad enough. Let's make him a 'victim of fate/part-time philosopher' on top of that. Worked for Mags, right?"

Clever move, guys. :(

[witchboy]

Bring back Alpha Flight somehow , theyt were never really dead , just seriously wounded .
Put Xavier back in the wheelchair once and for all . I like having a handicapped person as a prominant influential character , and his being able to walk weakens the spirit of the character
Revive Moira .Bring in an AU double thru Exiles or something .Maybe the alternate could be Xavier's wife in her world to kick start a Moira/Xavier romance.Or Proteus could come back and warp time to bring back his real Mommy.

[HellFrost]

I think on some level it would be almost interesting if Emma's first sign of her Diamond Form is when she and the Phoenix had the battle in #131 where Emma blew up the whole building with her psionic bolt. Right after unleashing the bolt, she could have been trapped under the rubble feeling "different" and closed off, meanwhile she had actually transformed to Diamond. Not until the X-Men leave that place does Emma realize she now has enough strength to push herself out of the rubble but as soon as she is free, her skin turns back and she wonder from then on what that was, until completely forgetting about it except for one day when she reflects on the events of those days in some kind of flashback issue of some sort. This would also help to explain why Jean as Phoenix could not sense her after the explosion.

Mostly because I hate that people still believe that it was Cassandra who gave her the Diamond Form even though it was proven she did not.

I Would also alter the Cuckoos a little bit. I would have only the 5 sisters that we met originally while all of Emma's other eggs died(which would have still been a pretty emotional reveal). Explain that in order to create them he needed an XY sample, and what better than the Summer's DNA which happens to be a power amplifier for whomever they have a child with. This would explain the power levels(and ability to host the Phoenix) behind the Cuckoos and the reason why their blonde hair is actually real. I was also thinking that having Alex be the father would make for interesting drama between Alex/Emma/Lorna/Scott and we could see how each character responds to the situation.

Oh yeah... and in Warsong. I would have had the Phoenix completely revitalize them instead of having that stupid cybernetic crap in their bones and maybe have them stay alive. Plus... I would change Mindees name to something with an "I" so that their initials spell S.P.I.C.E. like they were originally intended.:D

[Crowforge]

Storm and Black Panther
Cable being Nate Summers
Electra coming back to life then becoming a ...wait nevermind.

[Kalen O.]

Plus... I would change Mindees name to something with an "I" so that their initials spell S.P.I.C.E. like they were originally intended.:D

Irma just doesn't have the same feel, you know?

[HellFrost]

Irma just doesn't have the same feel, you know?

Lol. I was thinking Isabelle or Irene, unless someone can think of something better.:)

[Erik Lehnsherr]

Cable being Scott's son.

[Crowforge]

See I'm not the only one.

[Erik Lehnsherr]

It would of been 25x more interesting if it was Stryfe.

[mattx110]

jean grey was always a manifestation of the pheonix, and her entire family including racheal were creations it built to understand humans and there are "Grey family" counterparts throughout the cosmos on thousand of planets to understand every dominant race in the universe. there was never a resurrection because nothing died. the jean grey construct became disconnected from the pheonix consciousness which drove "jean" to the insanity of the dark pheonix. when the pheonix force realized this, it made another jean. and another.

and a couple extras just in case.

[Slung]

jean grey was always a manifestation of the pheonix, and her entire family including racheal were creations it built to understand humans and there are "Grey family" counterparts throughout the cosmos on thousand of planets to understand every dominant race in the universe. there was never a resurrection because nothing died. the jean grey construct became disconnected from the pheonix consciousness which drove "jean" to the insanity of the dark pheonix. when the pheonix force realized this, it made another jean. and another.

and a couple extras just in case.
I either think you are imaginative - or I hate you. I'm still deciding.

:)

[jarrod]

It would of been 25x more interesting if it was Stryfe.
Oh agreed! That's a really good one actually.

I'd also go with Onslaught being 100% Xaiver.

[witchboy]

Revert Warren back to his metal wings as Archangel , he was way hotter that way , and was actually combat effective .
Make Scott the bio father of the cuckoos , and that the original Cuckoos are still alive .

[Brian "Vash" Ashby]

oh and i'd retcon it that JeanGrey died on the moon

and the phoenix has been playing Jean ever since


Because phoenix make little sense as it stands

[Bart Simpson]

I think on some level it would be almost interesting if Emma's first sign of her Diamond Form is when she and the Phoenix had the battle in #131 where Emma blew up the whole building with her psionic bolt. Right after unleashing the bolt, she could have been trapped under the rubble feeling "different" and closed off, meanwhile she had actually transformed to Diamond. Not until the X-Men leave that place does Emma realize she now has enough strength to push herself out of the rubble but as soon as she is free, her skin turns back and she wonder from then on what that was, until completely forgetting about it except for one day when she reflects on the events of those days in some kind of flashback issue of some sort. This would also help to explain why Jean as Phoenix could not sense her after the explosion.

Mostly because I hate that people still believe that it was Cassandra who gave her the Diamond Form even though it was proven she did not.

I Would also alter the Cuckoos a little bit. I would have only the 5 sisters that we met originally while all of Emma's other eggs died(which would have still been a pretty emotional reveal). Explain that in order to create them he needed an XY sample, and what better than the Summer's DNA which happens to be a power amplifier for whomever they have a child with. This would explain the power levels(and ability to host the Phoenix) behind the Cuckoos and the reason why their blonde hair is actually real. I was also thinking that having Alex be the father would make for interesting drama between Alex/Emma/Lorna/Scott and we could see how each character responds to the situation.

Oh yeah... and in Warsong. I would have had the Phoenix completely revitalize them instead of having that stupid cybernetic crap in their bones and maybe have them stay alive. Plus... I would change Mindees name to something with an "I" so that their initials spell S.P.I.C.E. like they were originally intended.:D

Jean couldn't sense her because her mind was probably comatose or she probably didn't care to look hard enough. Emma's diamond form doesn't protect against telepathy, we know this much. Grant Morrison said so on his site. And when Jean and Hank found Emma in Genosha, it was Jean who detected her under the rubble while Emma was in diamond form.

[HellFrost]

Jean couldn't sense her because her mind was probably comatose. Emma's diamond form doesn't protect against telepathy, we know this much. Grant Morrison said so on his site. And when Jean and Hank found Emma in Genosha, it was Jean who detected her under the rubble while Emma was in diamond form.

ok ok. I could have sworn that her power pretty much grew so that her mind was blocked by telepathy.

And you can't say that Jean couldn't find Emma because she was probably comatose... it fits into reason that my retcon could also work.

That's the only thing you found to comment on, in my entire post...? kind of offensive... sheesh

Wiki:Frost's full range of abilities between her diamond state and regular form have also been inconsistent; while some occurrences would have some readers believe that due to a genetic flaw Frost cannot access her telepathy in diamond form, later stories have contradicted this. X-Men #190 and Astonishing X-Men reflect Morrison's initial depiction of her powers: that Frost cannot access her psychic powers in diamond form and vice versa. Her mind's condition when in diamond form has also been inconsistent, but Phoenix: Warsong #3 confirms that Emma's mind is immune to at least low-level telepathy while diamond. Also, Emma has no need for water or food while she stays in her diamond form.

[Bart Simpson]

ok ok. I could have sworn that her power pretty much grew so that her mind was blocked by telepathy.

And you can't say that Jean couldn't find Emma because she was probably comatose... it fits into reason that my retcon could also work.

That's the only thing you found to comment on, in my entire post...? kind of offensive... sheesh

Wiki:Frost's full range of abilities between her diamond state and regular form have also been inconsistent; while some occurrences would have some readers believe that due to a genetic flaw Frost cannot access her telepathy in diamond form, later stories have contradicted this. X-Men #190 and Astonishing X-Men reflect Morrison's initial depiction of her powers: that Frost cannot access her psychic powers in diamond form and vice versa. Her mind's condition when in diamond form has also been inconsistent, but Phoenix: Warsong #3 confirms that Emma's mind is immune to at least low-level telepathy while diamond. Also, Emma has no need for water or food while she stays in her diamond form.

Sorry you are offended. I would have commented on the Cuckoos, but ever since Warsong they have been dead to me. :p

[HellFrost]

Sorry you are offended. I would have commented on the Cuckoos, but ever since Warsong they have been dead to me. :p

OMG! I totally agree. That's why I'd like their back stary to change at least a little bit. I would have been ok with them not being related to Emma at all to tell the truth...

[Bart Simpson]

OMG! I totally agree. That's why I'd like their back stary to change at least a little bit. I would have been ok with them not being related to Emma at all to tell the truth...

I liked them better too when they had no relation to Emma and the mini me connection was just coincidence. Ever since Warsong though, they've felt less special to me being just children/clones. I actually don't like any of the non natural children/clone/alt reality characters. It's a mess and just adds to the convolution of established characters.

Since you're a big Emma Frost fan, if they took all her eggs to make those thousands of cuckoos, would it mean that she can no longer have children?

[HellFrost]

I liked them better too when they had no relation to Emma and the mini me connection was just coincidence. Ever since Warsong though, they've felt less special to me being just children/clones. I actually don't like any of the non natural children/clone/alt reality characters. It's a mess and just adds to the convolution of established characters.

Since you're a big Emma Frost fan, if they took all her eggs to make those thousands of cuckoos, would it mean that she can no longer have children?

I agree with that too. I hate all the alt. reality characters... I get so confused as to who is from where sometimes and who is related to who in what way and the who is really who from another timeline/reality.

Sadly for the character she cannot have children. I however, do not want her to have any children. I think it would soften her character up too much, because I believe she would... eventually become a good mother and that's just not what I want to read in the books. I like the edge she has and can keep because the students aren't her children. And while they are her students, it's still ok for her to care for them a lot. Plus, some writer will no doubt come a long and kill her child/children leaving her an emotional, psychotic wreck that will forever stain her character.

[Bart Simpson]

I agree with that too. I hate all the alt. reality characters... I get so confused as to who is from where sometimes and who is related to who in what way and the who is really who from another timeline/reality.

Sadly for the character she cannot have children. I however, do not want her to have any children. I think it would soften her character up too much, because I believe she would... eventually become a good mother and that's just not what I want to read in the books. I like the edge she has and can keep because the students aren't her children. And while they are her students, it's still ok for her to care for them a lot. Plus, some writer will no doubt come a long and kill her child/children leaving her an emotional, psychotic wreck that will forever stain her character.


You are so lucky Emma can't have anymore children. And you're lucky they haven't resorted to an Emma/Scott kid from the future. I wish I could say the same for Jean...ugh I hate children from the future. It's so lame.

[Elias Bogan]

I would first reveal that That Witch Endures and John Sublime are one and the same. Further, the entity has been controlling Wanda for quite some time and using her powers have woogied reality a lot.

I'd re-retcon the whole deadly genesis ordeal, everything that's happened to Spider-Man since JMS took over, everything Magneto has done since X-Men # 3; he really did die and Wanda (under the control of Sublime) just keeps ressurecting him. Other wacky stuff like multiple phoenixes, etc would all be easily retconned away as Sublime using Wanda to screw with reality.

After the entity is finally defeated which costs Wanda her life aswell, I'd stream the line down to one Spider-Man book, one X-Men book, the FF, one Avengers book, Hulk, Captain America, Iron Man, Thor and something like New Warriors for lesser characters.

[jarrod]

I'd like to do some "real villian" reveals myself...


Azazel = Belasco in disguise (attempt to subjugate Kurt)
Romulus = Sinister in disguise (throwing Logan off Poccy's trail)
Bogan = Shadow King
NEX Shadow King = Merlyn in disguise (getting Betsy out of 616 for his own means)
Astonishing Lockheed = Skrull (only way it makes any sense)

[jester1436]

I'd have an Emma and Scott child from the future named Meredith, whom travels back in time to bring Jean Grey back to life and prevent her own birth, because she accidentally kills the X-Men by turning their brains into diamonds.

Okay, not really.

[Chiasm]

I'd retcon the retcon of Morrison's run from existence. In simpler english, I'd have left Morrison's run alone and and let it stand rather than undo 90% of what he changed.

[angrywaiter]

I'd have Emma still have some of Jeans personality from where they body swapped years back when the original hellions were killed.

Emma purges the 'Jean persona' (the candy sweetness and light; child concerned and caring) and leaves the X-men going back to being the evil, manipulative Hellfire club biatch she was and always should be ! :evilsmile :evilsmile

(and she washes herself in bleach for ever banging nasties with Scott Summers)

[rwsmith]

Cable being Scott's son.

Oh, yeah. Can't believe I didn't go with this one!

You are so lucky Emma can't have anymore children. And you're lucky they haven't resorted to an Emma/Scott kid from the future. I wish I could say the same for Jean...ugh I hate children from the future. It's so lame.

Agreed.

[Anodyne]

I'd do a retcon revealing that the real Madelyne Pryor was trapped inside her own mind during Inferno, like Xavier inside Onslaught, watching in horror as the Goblin Queen tried to kill her baby. When she threw Nathan into the air, she was marshaling her last strength to get him away from what Wolverine aptly called "a demon conjuring." "Save the baby" was not sarcasm, but a heartfelt, desperate plea--as desperate and loving as when Kate Summers shoved her two sons out of a burning plane with only one parachute.

I'd also make "Phoenix" Jean Grey's codename, and the "Phoenix Force" the energy source upon which all acts of creation and destruction draw. Jean's special relationship with the Phoenix Force would be that, while most people merely sipped from this wellspring, she drank deeply.

[jarrod]

I want a retcon revealing that the real Madelyne Pryor was trapped inside her own mind during Inferno, like Xavier inside Onslaught, watching in horror as the Goblin Queen tried to kill her baby. When she threw Nathan into the air, she was marshaling her last strength to get him away from that which that Wolverine accurately called "a demon conjuring." "Save the baby" was not sarcasm, but a heartfelt, desperate plea--as desperate and loving as when Kate Summers shoved her two sons out of a burning plane with only one parachute.
OMG HOTT!! :eek:

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

Make Scott the bio father of the cuckoos , and that the original Cuckoos are still alive .

That would be so f****n funny.

Can you imagine the 'you're going to be a father although you kinda already are' talk and Cyke desperately trying to fight off the urge to run for the hills? :D

[witchboy]

I love the idea of Maddie being innocent of the Goblyn Queen's actions . Maddie was such an awesome character pre Goblin Queen , I 'd love to see her come back , and this would be a great way to redeem her.

[ClanAskani]

I've have Scott go completely evil, then reveal that Scott wasn't really Scott. The Scott that was found in the Search for Cyclops was an imposture, then they'd find the real Scott who would be appalled by Fake Scott's relationship with Emma.

Then I'd also make Rachel Grey an impostor and bring back the real Rachel Summers.

[Lorendiac]

A Marvel Editor comes up to you (As they are known for) and gives you the opportunity to take one thing in the X-Men mythos and retcon it... either delete it from existence or explain it some other way.

What you remove or change?

If you change something explain what too.

Interesting question. Just off the top of my head, things that occur to me include:

1. Madelyne Pryor was never Jean's clone after all. Maybe she's alive, maybe she's dead, but she wasn't just a carbon copy of Jean.

2. Lorna Dane is no relation to Magneto (unless that's already been retconned without my input?)

3. Scott Summers never hooked up with Emma Frost.

4. Josh Whedon's second story arc in "Astonishing X-Men" never happened.

5. "Deadly Genesis? What's a Deadly Genesis? Never heard of it!"

6. "Kwannon? What's a Kwannon?" Meaning that Psylocke never got her mind switched into another woman's body during the Acts of Vengeance event! It was simply that Betsy's British body got an extreme makeover somehow, courtesy of The Hand and Mandarin!

[Anodyne]

Interesting question. Just off the top of my head, things that occur to me include:

1. Madelyne Pryor was never Jean's clone after all. Maybe she's alive, maybe she's dead, but she wasn't just a carbon copy of Jean.
I can think of several ways to do this:

1. In From the Ashes, Mastermind caused people to see Jean Grey's face when they looked at Madelyne, and caused Maddie to see her own face when she looked at Jean's photo. I fear it's too late now to plausibly pull this off; I wonder if Claremont didn't do it because he wanted to leave us wondering if Maddie was really Jean reincarnated or not.

2. Elaine Grey conceived identical twins. Mr. Sinister somehow stole one embryo and grew it to maturity in his lab.

3a. Madelyne Pryor really was a pilot, trapped in the cockpit of a crashed and burning plane. Returning from the moon after Uncanny #137, the Phoenix Force was drawn to Maddie's passionate desire to live. It took her soul and made her a new body in Jean Grey's image. Wanting its new host to be the woman Scott loved, the Phoenix Force suppressed Madelyne's own memories; or maybe it kept Maddie from realizing that she suffered amnesia from head injuries sustained in the crash.
3b. Same as 3a, except the Phoenix transplanted Madelyne's essence into the inert cloned body in Sinister's lab.

However, IMHO retconning Madelyne's origin is less important than redeeming her from the Goblin Queen's crimes. (See my above post.) Not that I'd want the Inferno episode to be whitewashed like Jean's role in The Dark Phoenix Saga; Maddie could accept that some small part of her may have wanted to do those horrific things, but not her truest, deepest self.

I'd be delighted if someone came forward and told the X-Men, "When you say someone created by cloning is not a real person, you're showing the same kind of bigotry you complain that ordinary humans show against you."

I once saw a PBS tv show on religion and science. In it someone said that, if we ever did clone humans, "of course they'd be individuals, and of course they'd have souls." I heartily agree.

[Nachturne]

Easy Nocturne retcon: She's still in Mojoworld. I remember Impulse and I talking about this a while back. Mojo sent a faux here, and kept the real deal back there for whatever he wanted. He seemed to like her the first time she was there.

That'd explain how awful her characterization has been, and how terribly her powers have been handled, and how shittastic her reunion was with Tbird.

[CyberHubbs]

Jeez. Those are some tough choices!

-Nightcrawler: ...Yeah, I don't know how to fix him. I think it's more along the lines of never, EVER mentioning Azazel again.

[Nachturne]

PS you can pick more than one? i need a do-over!

[Fatguy]

Psylocke....I remember when I used to like her, so long ago.

[jester1436]

RE: New Excalibur Dazzler

After a two weeks of concerts performing for both Gay and Mutant Pride events in San Francisco, Dazzler sleeps off an epic hangover. However, while she sleeps, a dark portion of her psyche generates a living, pink-haired hologram in England of all places. This hologram becomes a member of Excalibur and sleeps with most of the team, without their noticing she's just made of hard light.

With Messiah Complex over, Dazzler is awoken by hippies and has a free love session with Angel, while Longshot cries as his pink tressed love goddess vanishes. Then he hooks up with Lois London. OH NOES, drama.

RE: New Warriors Wind Dancer

Suffering from trauma upon losing her mutant powers, Wind Dancer develops a split personality, who unfortunately shares her same identity and general history of her past persona, but in a Skrully new way. However, she bumps into the Stepford Cuckoos outside of Victoria's Secret and they unlock the real her with their creepy blonde Mean Girl telepathy.

She then beats the crap out of Turbo and takes her wind armor for herself, returning to a book where her main personality will remain in control.

[Toboe]

WIND DANCER!!!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5933/newxmen13gt9.jpg

[Dagger]

I'd say Karma, but she doesn't have any stories!!!!:(

[Wind-Breaker]

Like I mentioned before I'd retcon Monet being trapped into Penance form, she's strong enough of character to not have a confusing origin.

[Novaya Havoc]

WIND DANCER!!!


Give me a retcon story, hussy!

[Novaya Havoc]

Easy Nocturne retcon: She's still in Mojoworld. I remember Impulse and I talking about this a while back. Mojo sent a faux here, and kept the real deal back there for whatever he wanted. He seemed to like her the first time she was there.

That'd explain how awful her characterization has been, and how terribly her powers have been handled, and how shittastic her reunion was with Tbird.

Good explination, even if I despise le Mojo!

RE: New Excalibur Dazzler

After a two weeks of concerts performing for both Gay and Mutant Pride events in San Francisco, Dazzler sleeps off an epic hangover. However, while she sleeps, a dark portion of her psyche generates a living, pink-haired hologram in England of all places. This hologram becomes a member of Excalibur and sleeps with most of the team, without their noticing she's just made of hard light.

With Messiah Complex over, Dazzler is awoken by hippies and has a free love session with Angel, while Longshot cries as his pink tressed love goddess vanishes. Then he hooks up with Lois London. OH NOES, drama.


I daresay this is the best retcon I've ever heard! Brava! BRA-VA!

[jester1436]

I'd say Karma, but she doesn't have any stories!!!!:(

Karma speaks French.

Karma reads "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" to her younger students.

Karma purchases a "Red Hulk" self pleasure device.

Karma learns how to juggle.

Karma gets locked in the bathroom and can't get out.

Karma possesses Cyclops and has sex with Emma.

Karma dresses up in her old New Mutants graduation costume and decides to cut down on the Ben & Jerry's.

Karma, Husk, Northstar and Sunspot go clubbing.

Karma does the laundry.

Karma knits a sweater.

Karma goes on "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader."

KARMA HAS SO MANY AMAZING OFF PANEL STORIES. :)

[Mr. Koologne]

Gambit, lets not make him a repeated traitor m'kay?

Wind Dancer, she's need her Julian.

Psylocke, cause she must be saved form Exiles!!

[Nachturne]

Psylocke, cause she must be saved from Exiles!!

Fixed that for ya ;)

[Mr. Koologne]

Fixed that for ya ;)

O wow. Thanks.

[RickyD410]

Give me a retcon story, hussy!

Ok.

Skrulls kidnapped Wind Dancer on her way to Venezuela, and taped her brain to learn all about her. Now a Skrull is impersonating her on the New Warriors. But Sofia is still on the Skrull mothership or prisonship, or whereever they keep their kidnapped peeps, and while they moved her from her cell to the brain-tapping room, she broke out! She released a few other heroes as well, and raced to find an escape pod back to Earth. However along the way, they ran into .... THE POWER ROOM!!! Now the power-core to the ship or anything. A room where Skrulls get their powers. So she takes BACK her wind powers, and then they move on. They make their way to an escape pod (while knocking the super out of every Skrull they see along the way) and rush back to Earth to save the day.

This will all be revealed during Secret Invasion.

[frog]

Dani Moonstar comes back to what's left of the mansion and tells Emma "Screw you, you're doing a horrible job with the kids and they need me so deal with it. Oh, and by the way, I found Cecilia Reyes and she's coming back too."

[Novaya Havoc]

On Wind Dancer:

Why must all the latina women be CHARACTER ASSASSINATED?!

It makes me wish Dazzler was Latina.

... Just not a J-Lo equivalent. More like Gloria Estefan. Or even Paulina Rubio.

[Toboe]

Give me a retcon story, hussy!

She gets into a depression after losing her powers and abandoning Julian, so she ends up taking pills that make her talk funny, and watching reruns of Friends, which makes her believe it is a good a idea to be a waitress in New York just like Rachel. She also develops a growing fascination with Britney Spears that led her to shave her head off.

However, she's got the fabulous Tina now to help her through this. She overcomes her addiction, recovering her personality and realizing she belongs with Julian and the X-Men, so she heads back to the mansion with her new wig and they perform a Grease-like musical.

Or it was a skrull and she's being awesome in Venezuela.

[Nachturne]

Dazzler:

The loss of her azure lover causes her to go into a bunge eating fest where she gets really really fat and cries everynight while thinking of those exquisite bloobies. She spends her time scissoring a cookie monster plush she has, but finally pulls herself together, grows her hair out, goes blonde, loses weight, and decides to revamp her career for her missing love. On her way to her biggest gig, she accidentally runs over her opening act, Lila Cheney, and no one cares.

[Novaya Havoc]

Dazzler:

The loss of her azure lover causes her to go into a bunge eating fest where she gets really really fat and cries everynight while thinking of those exquisite bloobies. She spends her time scissoring a cookie monster plush she has, but finally pulls herself together, grows her hair out, goes blonde, loses weight, and decides to revamp her career for her missing love. On her way to her biggest gig, she accidentally runs over her opening act, Lila Cheney, and no one cares.

I love it!!!!

If Dazzler ever did become a lesbian, it should be editorially mandated that she gay marry Nocturne in TJ's home reality (where it's universally legal) and they raise their baby together, with T-Bird as the sperm donor.

And Dazzler can be a hot lipstick diva.

I want that mini.

[Dagger]

On Wind Dancer:

Why must all the latina women be CHARACTER ASSASSINATED?!

It makes me wish Dazzler was Latina.

... Just not a J-Lo equivalent. More like Gloria Estefan. Or even Paulina Rubio.
AAAAAAAAAAAAIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Paulina Rubio is a freaking moron! It's like having a skinny Charo with her ass crack hanging out!

[Faded]

Okay, I didn't vote Nightcrawler because it was so heinous to such an iconic character that I honestly don't believe his origin will ever be retold or referenced again ever.

WIND DANCER.
She...got over it and stuff. POWERS emerged! The same ones or different ones, I don't really care.

She runs...no FLIES to the Institute.

I don't care about the details, but promise me my favorite character will be back in the X-Books come Summer. :(

DAZZLER. Longshot returned to Earth with vague memories of his beloved Dazzler. While disguised as Katy Minx, a record producer in San Francisco, Dazzler tried to pick up the pieces from living a life closely associated to a man in a mullet. Longshot was distraught to not find his love, so using some vague Mojo-esque technology/methods, he created a Dazzler clone, complete with his ideal makeover--pop sensation P!NK [endorsement]!!!! Unfortunately, a vague character from the Mojoverse recaptured the bright eyed guy before getting transferred to the reality hopping team THE EXILES.

Meanwhile, the robotic, indestructible "FAUXZZLER" (FANDOM IS SO WITTY) traveled to Britain to join a random assembly of C-List heroes NEW EXCALIBUR.

However, as they team gained media attention overseas, ALISON BLAIRE thought it was about time to put a stop to...ALLISON BLAIR.

GUEST-STARRING THE SPICE GIRLS and their counterparts SPICE-X.

OTHER:
M.
There are no twins. Monet was Monet the entire time, start to finish. Anything else is Monet's sole flaw (schizophrenia) and the rest of Generation X being terrible enablers.

[Novaya Havoc]

However, as they team gained media attention overseas, ALISON BLAIRE thought it was about time to put a stop to...ALLISON BLAIR.

I love you all so much for understanding the real me. And for understanding why ALLISON BLAIR is an affront to all that is good and pure in this world.

PARTY AT MY HOUSE!!!

GUEST-STARRING THE SPICE GIRLS and their counterparts SPICE-X.

LOLOLOLMAOgasm! That. Would. So. Rock. I can just see Shadow-X Posh Spice in my MIND! She looks a lot like CC Susan Storm Exiles Viper. Oh man!


OTHER:
M.
There are no twins. Monet was Monet the entire time, start to finish. Anything else is Monet's sole flaw (schizophrenia) and the rest of Generation X being terrible enablers.

See -- I actually thought the twins idea was clever. Monet as Penance however, was NOT. But I like the current M. So conflicted.

[frog]

That diagnosis of M as having autism needs to be retconned or just plain never mentioned again. I can usually let some things slide but she has never acted remotely like someone with autism.

[Novaya Havoc]

That diagnosis of M as having autism needs to be retconned or just plain never mentioned again. I can usually let some things slide but she has never acted remotely like someone with autism.

M doesn't have autism! One of the twins combined to ACTIVATE the early M had autism, hence the autism. The real St. Croix does not have it.

And thus, the retcon is necessary, even if that whole plot was a sloppy retcon in and of itself.

[Faded]

True story: when Posh dances and points, she's actually using her telekinesis to battle bad guys in the next room.

[Jota]

Wolverine.
Romulus and the lupine would be nothing but some telepath messing with Logan's head and the Sabertooth that died in the end of that story arc was a clone. A very whussy one! The reasons for that: Who cares?!! No matter what, they can't be stupider then that Jeff Loeb arc.

[Ann Nichols]

Jeez. Those are some tough choices!

-Nightcrawler: ...Yeah, I don't know how to fix him. I think it's more along the lines of never, EVER mentioning Azazel again.


Simple: Nightcrawler had Beast take DNA samples of himself, Kiwi Black, & Abyss that proved that Azazel was lying about being their father just as he lied about being the source for the Biblical Satan.

Even if none of those captured by Azazel knew this:

According to Rossell Hope Robbins' book on the witchcraft persecutions of 1450-1750 (more or less),
The Encyclopedia of Witchcraft & Demonology (p.132 of the 1981 Bonanza edition):

"The concept of the Christian Devil was largely fixed by the so-called desert fathers, the hermits of the Egyptian deserts, in the third and fourth centuries, who pieced together from their hallucinations and recollections of replaced gods (such as the cloven-footed Pan) the visualization of the Devil as the grotesque man illustrated in the plates in this Encyclopedia. The Devil was legalized by the Council of Toledo in A.D. 477, and later writers contributed little that was new."

I'm still annoyed that none of them asked Azazel why those winged mutants flew across the Atlantic Ocean and across Africa to settle in Mesopotamia -- where the Bible originated -- when they'd been living on an island off the coast of FLORIDA!

I'd like to retcon the Danger & Deadly Genesis stories away for Xavier.

[Dazzler]

My choice is obvious. And I don't really care what the story is as long as it makes Longshot, a dead baby, and the Mojoverse all a bad, bad dream.

Also, Nightcrawler doesn't really NEED to be half demon. That's all I'll say about that.

--Dazz

[Brian M.]

Jean Grey doesn't need a retcon, just needs to give the damn bird to Rachel and then Jean can come back, kill Emma and be w/ Scott. I've already got the story written.

[Harlock]

WIND DANCER!!!

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5933/newxmen13gt9.jpg

Ditto.



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[just another user]

Karma speaks French.

Karma reads "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" to her younger students.

Karma purchases a "Red Hulk" self pleasure device.

Karma learns how to juggle.

Karma gets locked in the bathroom and can't get out.

Karma possesses Cyclops and has sex with Emma.

Karma dresses up in her old New Mutants graduation costume and decides to cut down on the Ben & Jerry's.

Karma, Husk, Northstar and Sunspot go clubbing.

Karma does the laundry.

Karma knits a sweater.

Karma goes on "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader."

KARMA HAS SO MANY AMAZING OFF PANEL STORIES. :)

Make it so, Marvel!

[Dazzler]

Karma gets locked in the bathroom and can't get out.


Now THAT is epic.

--Dazz

[KittyPryde]

Gambit. Then they could come up with a simpler story that doesn't make him so lame (as he currently stands).

[Michael Sean]

Jean Grey doesn't need a retcon, just needs to give the damn bird to Rachel and then Jean can come back, kill Emma and be w/ Scott. I've already got the story written.

I agree that Jean Grey doesn't need any more retcons.

No more giving her red bird to Rachel again either. Rachel has her own blue bird now anyways.

Jean just needs to be written by a smart capable writer so she can be Phoenix without being omipotent, crazy, or dead.

[rZi]

Cyclops should be a hazard in the MU. His optic blasts should do really lethal damage, the appeal of him to me growing up was the uncontrolable and deadly nature of his eyes. If he opend them infront of someone they and their surroundings would be burnt to a crisp. Now i get the impression if he did that he may knock someone over.

[Josef F.]

Cyclops should be a hazard in the MU. His optic blasts should do really lethal damage, the appeal of him to me growing up was the uncontrolable and deadly nature of his eyes. If he opend them infront of someone they and their surroundings would be burnt to a crisp. Now i get the impression if he did that he may knock someone over.

Well.
He can control it now
Or something.
Who knows.
damn astonishing. . . .

[Monty_Cristo]

i would retcon Shortpack into the 198 series.

[Flameworthy]

I would have had Sunfire stay with the X-Men and become a member after his transformation from Apocalypse instead of flying off with Gambit to join Sinister, that way he'd be fighting against the Marauders in MC instead of with them. Oh, and he wouldn't be sporting that lame flame look anymore either.

[Tazirai]

I'd retconn a certain Ninja Chick, back in a more fitting form.
Make her interesting again.

[Diablito]

I would have had Sunfire stay with the X-Men and become a member after his transformation from Apocalypse instead of flying off with Gambit to join Sinister, that way he'd be fighting against the Marauders in MC instead of with them. Oh, and he wouldn't be sporting that lame flame look anymore either.

I agree with this. The only difference being that he keeps his Famine costume, as it is millions of times better than his fish-head costume.

[Flameworthy]

I agree with this. The only difference being that he keeps his Famine costume, as it is millions of times better than his fish-head costume.

How about if he just got a new costume altogether? Then we could both be happy.;)

[Diablito]

How about if he just got a new costume altogether? Then we could both be happy.;)

Haha, it sounds like a good resolution. I wish they gave him this gem:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/4000/3175/168839-sunfire_400.jpg

[Flameworthy]

Haha, it sounds like a good resolution. I wish they gave him this gem:

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/item/4000/3175/168839-sunfire_400.jpg

I liked that one, but it did seem kinda bulky with all the metal and wires (which I know was used to amp up his powers). His Big Hero 6 costume was pretty cool too.

[Phil Hunn]

I would retcon the hell out of Cassandra Nova and let her experience the cold kiss of oblivion. The old biddy deserves nothing less - and she can take Aunt frickin' May with her and all...

[Ogrebear]

Hum..... so many ideas...

1) Retcon it so Mimic was always in the X-Men ala Exiles

2) Retcon it so Deadly Genesis happened another way and that Darwin and co all survived and where Heroes leading to a young 'new mutants' team much earlier.

3) Cable/Bishop/Rachael/XMan/Stryfe. Never happened. Stop with the 'travel back in time' characters full stop.

4) Jean died. Maddy Pryor turned up. Scott retired. They only came back and went into X-Factor cos Beast/Iceman persuaded them too and they felt their newborns Nate and Rachael would be protected that way. Jean never came back. Mr Sinister never gets his hands on the kids

5) Xavier retires into space with Lillandra and trains mutants of her Empire (yes no Onslaught!)

6) Mags rips the adamantium from Wolverine and is mind wiped by Madddie instead of Xavier. Woverines healing factor returns to the levels it had after he became Weapon X and never increases despite him getting rebonded with adamantium

7) Drunk with Magnetos power Maddie becomes the 'Dark Queen' only to be stopped by Scott

8) Joesph was Magneto and is given a 2nd chance- he influences the younger generation along side Nate; riot at Xavier's never happens as we know it

9) Beast survives getting shot and does not undergo secondary mutation and is nursed back to health by his later wife Cecilia Reyes

10) Realizing there is a great Danger to Earth Xavier returns and helps Wanda Maxioff through her emotional difficulties/power issues without her going off the rails

11) During Xavier's visit Aocolypse appears and reveal he will save those who would join with them as all others are unworthy and unleashes a Legacy Virus that decimates the world mutant population, starting with the young... the X-Men and allies have to stop mutantkind becoming an endangered species!!

[Josef F.]

Dark Beast's a cat too.
And Dazzler's hair.

[mikeb]

Make Rogue Mystique's real daughter or make her the daughter or sibling of someone ironic.(My fantiasy is that Rogue is the illegitimate child of Joe Danvers.I got the idea from watching old episodes of the "Big Valley":D )

[Anodyne]

Hum..... so many ideas...

4) Jean died. Maddy Pryor turned up. Scott retired. They only came back and went into X-Factor cos Beast/Iceman persuaded them too and they felt their newborns Nate and Rachael would be protected that way. Jean never came back. Mr Sinister never gets his hands on the kids

6) Mags rips the adamantium from Wolverine and is mind wiped by Maddie instead of Xavier. Woverines healing factor returns to the levels it had after he became Weapon X and never increases despite him getting rebonded with adamantium
This implies that Maddie has psionic powers. Do you see her as Jean's clone, her long-lost twin sister, or an unrelated TP/TK? Also, what makes Madelyne angry enough to mind-wipe Magneto? Does he threaten/endanger her children?
7) Drunk with Magnetos power Maddie becomes the 'Dark Queen' only to be stopped by Scott
At least "Dark Queen" sounds classier than "Goblin Queen." By "stopped" do you mean "killed" or "saved"?
9) Beast survives getting shot and does not undergo secondary mutation and is nursed back to health by his later wife Cecilia Reyes

10) Realizing there is a great Danger to Earth Xavier returns and helps Wanda Maximoff through her emotional difficulties/power issues without her going off the rails

I like these two ideas.:)

[Mr.EZ]

John Proudstar was not killed by Count Nefaria's exploding jet, it was all a mental illusion cast by Professor X. The reason being, that Charles needed John's brute strength and speed to help his original students, but knew John's pride would get in the way of longterm team activities. Charles needed John in another capacity, in his Mutant Underground.

John was chosen because of his military background. Although brash and angry, he was more trustworthy than Wolverine, who mirrored John in many respects. Xavier saw the similarities and knew Wolverine would need proper supervision, Thunderbird would not.

Since then, John had been in deep cover inside the Mutant Underground, acting as a spy/scout working around the globe tracking mutant militias and government regulated mutant experiments, only reporting to Xavier when absolutely needed, until finally he vanished and has been presumed dead for several years.

He's alive though, still proud, but tempered by age and the wisdom earned by seeing the world with his own two eyes. John will become even more stoic when he finds out about the Camp Verde Massacre, but when he finally returns to the X-Mansion, Thunderbird will stand tall with the team's leaders, with his brother at his side.