New God Death List Scorecard (SPOILERS!)

[Nintendite]

Okay, we know that something is definitely going to happen to the New Gods. Starlin's "Death of the New Gods" story is coming up, and he even said it is "Death of the New Gods" (as opposed to "Death of SOME of the New Gods.")

On the other hand, Morrison has said they will appear somewhat like they did in "7 Soldiers" in "Final Crisis".


But no matter what, the New Gods are getting taken down left and right. In some ways, it started way back in 52, so I'm gonna count that too.

Tell me if anyone has slipped my mind:


DIED IN 52:
Devilance the Pursuer: Killed by Lobo in 52 #17


DIED IN COUNTDOWN OR RELATED COMICS:
Lightray: Killed by an unknown force in #48
Sleez: Killed by unknown force in #46
The Deep Six: Killed by unknown force in #38
Speed Queen: Killed by unknown force (in flashback) in Outsiders: Thunder/Martian Manhunter.
Grayven: Killed by unknown force in Thunder/Manhunter.
Knockout: Killed in BIRDS OF PREY #109 by unknown force (it wore goggles!)

CONFIRMED TO BE DEAD DURING OR AFTER THE RELEASE OF DEATH OF THE NEW GODS #1 and Countdown # 28:
Magnar- DOTNG #1
Black Racer(Willie Walker)- DOTNG #1
Dr. Bedlam- DOTNG#2 (was hinted at in #1)
Big Barda- DOTNG #1 (confirmed in CD#28 by the new Female Forager)
Celestia- DOTNG#2
Sserpa-DOTNG#2
K'Zadr-DOTNG#2
Lonar-DOTNG#2
Zaro-DOTNG#2
Atinai-DOTNG#2
Runway-DOTNG#2
Saraday-DOTNG#2
Antinoos-DOTNG#2
Fatbak-DOTNG#2
Apemenza-DOTNG#2
Jesebel-DOTNG#2
Mother Herrae-DOTNG#2
JL Minirats- DOTNG #2
Red One- DOTNG #2
"Fart"- DOTNG #2
Kid Kosmos- DOTNG #2
Whoisthis- DOTNG#2
Justeen- DOTNG#2 (but had died awhile ago)
Bekka - destroyed in S/B #41 (apparently the killer uses magic pixie dust to kill New Gods too!) THANKS TO SEAN WALSH
Little Barda and Power Boy- both offed in the Titans East Special thanks to some mysterious killer (who may or may not be the New Gods killer, since other non-New Gods die in that book too) THANKS TO SEAN WALSH
Mortalla-DOTNG 3
Takion-DOTNG 3 (but in a different way, similar to a heart attack)
Kanto-DOTNG 3


Several of these are in-jokes by Starlin.

It should be noted that Superman/Superboy Prime (in new black uni) was making his home inside the Source Wall.

ALSO, as Magneto Rocks was able to point out to me (I've edited a little bit here and there from Magneto Rocks' original post):

-Whoever is killing them is definitely opposed to Darkseid. Although with Darkseid, you never know.

-Darkseid knows of the person and plans to defeat them, letting New Gods die as pawns. Hinted at in #38 of Countdown

-New Genesis suspect Darkseid as responsible and are spying on Apokolips to this end. Evidenced by the Forager-like spy on Apokolips in Countdown #40


Who else? I got this weird feeling I'm forgetting someone....

[Magneto Rocks]

Some other relevant details to be noted:

-Whoever is killing them is definitely opposed to Darkseid

-Darkseid knows of the person and plans to defeat them, letting New Gods die as pawns

-New Genesis suspect Darkseid as responsible and are spying on Apokolips to this end.

Those might be worth mentioning? I dunno, up to you if you just want to keep it a scorecard.

[matt_hatyber]

guys we all know who it is. Its the only person who would not be afraid of darksied cuz hes as powerfula s him. It has to be MANTIS! like come on that explains everything for me. and we all know we want it to be mantis

[Jamie]

Jimmy Olsen? He has a history of personality changes and powers that would make Rick Jones envious. :) And, tongue slightly less in cheek, he does have ties to the original Fourth World stories.

[Sean Walsh]

I'm calling it: it's Izaya the Highfather.

He's too important to leave out of this whole "final New Gods saga" so I think he's been revived somehow.

Crazier things have happened, so there we are.

[TotalWorldDomination]

I may be being stupid, but it seems to me the powers used to whipe out deep six were Lightrays... Could he have faked his own death and be attacking the other new gods?

[4thHorseman]

My guess is either Mantis or Yuga Khan

[Nintendite]

Some other relevant details to be noted:

-Whoever is killing them is definitely opposed to Darkseid

-Darkseid knows of the person and plans to defeat them, letting New Gods die as pawns

-New Genesis suspect Darkseid as responsible and are spying on Apokolips to this end.

Those might be worth mentioning? I dunno, up to you if you just want to keep it a scorecard.

I integrated those last night, although I added in some bolded comments in to either highlight something or put in when that evidence appeared.

[mattx110]

highfather faking deaths to build a private army for his war so that darkseid doesn't directly attack new genesis?

[DMike]

Judging by the figure emerging from the waters I'm guessing Takion.

[rwe1138]

Hmm...Darkseid's brother, Infinity-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity-Man)?

[matt_hatyber]

Judging by the figure emerging from the waters I'm guessing Takion.


i think u got it man, but if its not him its mantis

[Sean Walsh]

Judging by the figure emerging from the waters I'm guessing Takion.

Y'know, I was gonna say "Nah"..............

But given the fact that he's basically a being of the Source (a human given powers from beyond the Source by the original Highfather) and has a living connection with the Source, and that these Source Walls now seperate all the 52 Earths.......

......maybe it's making him all wonky?

[drwho]

In thunder and martian manhunter it shows shows grayven possibly being killed by some unknown being

[Sean Walsh]

In thunder and martian manhunter it shows shows grayven possibly being killed by some unknown being

Oh thank goodness.

People have their "worst/least favorite New Gods" list. Grayven is #1 on mine.

[Nintendite]

Thanks for the hint, as I haven't been following that series. I'll update 'the list' tomorrow.

[LordEd1976]

In thunder and martian manhunter it shows shows grayven possibly being killed by some unknown being

good riddance

[RacShade]

Oh thank goodness.

People have their "worst/least favorite New Gods" list. Grayven is #1 on mine.

Doesn't really matter since they're all apparently dying.

[Sean Walsh]

With all the attention on that one New God dying in THUNDER/MARTIAN MANHUNTER, another was forgotten:

Speed Queen of the Female Furies is killed in a flashback.

[Nintendite]

Thread has been updated with these latest casualties.

[Magneto Rocks]

Can't say I'm a fan of You-Kn-Who - didn't mind him when he was out there on his own but at Darkseid's side he was just Kalibak lite.

In fact, thus far it's been mostly the most fringe New Gods (Except Lightray of course) who have copped it, likely to continue for a while. I'm irritated by the wholesale destruction of the awesome Fourth World mythology. I just wonder how exactly they will resolve the deaths of the New Gods in the pages of Countdown AND the seperate series- I mean, Darkseid has been built up as the "Big Bad" of Countdown but unless he's the ONE survivor, he perishes in Starlin's series- and if he doesn't, then they've just flushed the Kirby mythology down the toilet since only one new god survives that series, and the mythology says it has to be Orion who kills Darkseid in final battle in the pits of Armaghetto.

EDIT: It's also probably worth remembering for all fellow Fourth World afficiendos out there- Birds of Prey 109 next week has promised another New God demise.

[jester1436]

EDIT: It's also probably worth remembering for all fellow Fourth World afficiendos out there- Birds of Prey 109 next week has promised another New God demise.

I don't think things look particularly great for Knockout with that coming issue. Barda shows up in the "Death" mini, so she's not going to bite it yet. However, Knockout was just featured alongside her Secret Six teammates in Gail Simone's last storyline the issue before, and since that team has become dismantled for now, I could see Knockout being added to the casualty list next week. :(

[Nyssane]

They just better keep their hands off poor li'l Malice Vundabar. :(

[Nate Grey]

Wow. I always thought Grayven had potential.

So I guess its safe to say Orion and Kalibak are safe? I figure they'll kill either Mister Miracle (Scott Free) or Big Barda, but not both.

[Magneto Rocks]

You know what I find curious? DiDio summed up this year as having FOUR big deaths. Lightray was one, symbolising the death of the New Gods, Bart Allen was another, there was a third I cannot now remember, but the fourth was yet to come.

I wonder if the Fourth is another New God- I know that only the first 4 issues of "Death of the New Gods" are coming out this year but I wonder if one of the big New Gods will die in those issues. Yes, yes it's pretty removed from other titles but I can't imagine Lightray passing will be a big one and DARKSEID won't be.

[Sean Walsh]

This week's New God death:

Knockout, killed in BIRDS OF PREY by shadowy person wearing goggles, whom she apparently recognized.

I'm starting to process a theory that there may be more than 1 New God killer now...

[Kevinroc]

You know what I find curious? DiDio summed up this year as having FOUR big deaths. Lightray was one, symbolising the death of the New Gods, Bart Allen was another, there was a third I cannot now remember, but the fourth was yet to come.

I wonder if the Fourth is another New God- I know that only the first 4 issues of "Death of the New Gods" are coming out this year but I wonder if one of the big New Gods will die in those issues. Yes, yes it's pretty removed from other titles but I can't imagine Lightray passing will be a big one and DARKSEID won't be.

Lightray was the 2nd "big death". The first was Duela Dent. Bart was third.

[4thHorseman]

You know what I find curious? DiDio summed up this year as having FOUR big deaths. Lightray was one, symbolising the death of the New Gods, Bart Allen was another, there was a third I cannot now remember, but the fourth was yet to come.

I wonder if the Fourth is another New God- I know that only the first 4 issues of "Death of the New Gods" are coming out this year but I wonder if one of the big New Gods will die in those issues. Yes, yes it's pretty removed from other titles but I can't imagine Lightray passing will be a big one and DARKSEID won't be.


I'm saying it's going to be Pa Kent. Perhaps he shouldn't be on the Earth, and one of the monitors ends up killing him or whatever. Then in comes a pissed off Superman....

[Magneto Rocks]

This week's New God death:

Knockout, killed in BIRDS OF PREY by shadowy person wearing goggles, whom she apparently recognized.

I'm starting to process a theory that there may be more than 1 New God killer now...

I think we have our New God Killer Prime who kills the big fish but may have people working for him, possibly outfitting them with God-Killing equipment or whatever.

Not unexpected, our tally is growing by the week... :(

[Sean Walsh]

Lightray was the 2nd "big death". The first was Duela Dent. Bart was third.

I'm guessing Duela Dent's death was important only in that her death started off this "no leaping between Earths" mandate that's gonna lead to that final crisis thingy...?

Because as a character, her death was not important because she was not important.

[Paul Dee]

I'm guessing Duela Dent's death was important only in that her death started off this "no leaping between Earths" mandate that's gonna lead to that final crisis thingy...?

Because as a character, her death was not important because she was not important.

Yeah, didio said as much in one of the DC Nation columns:


First there was the death of Duela Dent, Joker's Daughter. Not a major character by any stretch of the imagination, but her fatal confrontation with a Monitor in the first issue of COUNTDOWN triggered a series of events that will tear at the very fabric of the multiverse and set brother against brother.


Her death is responsible for that Monitor going rogue with his ideas to killl those who jump between Earths.

[Nintendite]

With the death of Knockout, I AM really starting to think that yes, it is primarily aimed at Darkseid... only Lightray is someone you'd consider a "Good Guy" (i.e. from New Genesis).

[Sean Walsh]

With the death of Knockout, I AM really starting to think that yes, it is primarily aimed at Darkseid... only Lightray is someone you'd consider a "Good Guy" (i.e. from New Genesis).

Wouldn't be surprised if Lightray was considered a "sacrificial lamb," to give the heroes of New Genesis the impression that this isn't just a purely anti-Darkseid campaign.

Which makes me believe it is (a deranged) Izaya the Highfather back from beyond.

[Nate Grey]

Wouldn't be surprised if Lightray was considered a "sacrificial lamb," to give the heroes of New Genesis the impression that this isn't just a purely anti-Darkseid campaign.

Which makes me believe it is (a deranged) Izaya the Highfather back from beyond.

That...that would be cool as heck!

[Zero Hunter]

I am thinking that it is the Source itself acting through or controling Takion to wipe the slate clean of all the New Gods to make way for whatever comes after.

[Nate Grey]

I am thinking that it is the Source itself acting through or controling Takion to wipe the slate clean of all the New Gods to make way for whatever comes after.

Or a bizarre gestalt of the two that'll take Rodimus Prime and the Matrix to destroy it!

[Nintendite]

I just recovered from a nasty illness, so I haven't been able to read much this week, I'll update tomorrow maybe (assuming that, you know, somebody died).

[Magneto Rocks]

Sorry to hear you were sick, Nintendite, but don't think you missed anything.

Since this is a New Gods related thread, I also have a somewhat odd request for anyone who can answer: Back in JLA 13 (Rock of Ages) there was an insanely brilliantpage or two where someone proclaimed the coming of Darkseid with a big long intro like (as best I can remember) "Who is beyond good and evil? Who is the Alpha and the Omega? Who is the prophet of the Anti-Life Equation?" or some such thing, followed by a massively badass Darkseid saying "Darkseid Is". (Which was of course his slogan in thar un.)

Does anyone have the scans anywhere of that bit in question? I'm looking for it for a few things but sadly only own the story in trade form and so cannot scan it in without breaking the spine of my lovely copy.

[Interro]

This week's Justice Society of America #9 has Goth with a hole in his chest. We see the consquences (already crashed into a building and set it on perpetual fire), but not the attack itself.

[Paul Newell]

When did Goth become a New God?

[Sean Walsh]

When did Goth become a New God?

He wasn't. But I'm kinda surprised that wasn't a New God there instead.

Heck, there was even a fire-gimmicked New God (Infernius, from the early 90's Evanier New Gods book) that could've taken the spot.

EDIT: Unless we're meant to think Goth *might* have some retconned Fourth World connection. Perhaps he had a piece of the Anti Life Equation and got killed because of that fact?

[Matthew E]

I predict that Mr. Miracle will survive this. I know that DC has said that one of the New Gods will survive to the end, and I don't know who that will be... but I think Mr. Miracle will be a secret second survivor after all the dust has cleared. He is, after all, Mr. Miracle.

[Sean Walsh]

I predict that Mr. Miracle will survive this. I know that DC has said that one of the New Gods will survive to the end, and I don't know who that will be... but I think Mr. Miracle will be a secret second survivor after all the dust has cleared. He is, after all, Mr. Miracle.

Starlin has said Scott Free uses the Anti-Life Equation (which he has had for years - you've not been forgotten, Walt! :) ) in this mini. And even though it promises to be most tragic, I wouldn't be surprised if he was the sole survivor as a result of using it.

[Nate Grey]

What if the New God who survives is Big Barda? I think Scott either dies or becomes the new Highfather, either way there's still Shilo Norman to take up the reigns as Mr. Miracle.

[Xero]

From the wound in his chest and the hazy reference to his origins, it seems that Goth may have been retconned into a New God.

I also also think Scott Free will become the new Highfather.

[Froggy]

Sorry to hear you were sick, Nintendite, but don't think you missed anything.

Since this is a New Gods related thread, I also have a somewhat odd request for anyone who can answer: Back in JLA 13 (Rock of Ages) there was an insanely brilliantpage or two where someone proclaimed the coming of Darkseid with a big long intro like (as best I can remember) "Who is beyond good and evil? Who is the Alpha and the Omega? Who is the prophet of the Anti-Life Equation?" or some such thing, followed by a massively badass Darkseid saying "Darkseid Is". (Which was of course his slogan in thar un.)

Does anyone have the scans anywhere of that bit in question? I'm looking for it for a few things but sadly only own the story in trade form and so cannot scan it in without breaking the spine of my lovely copy.
Glorious Godfrey?

[Nate Grey]

Glorious Godfrey?

Speaking of which, I wonder if him or his sister Amazing Grace will appear just to get killed? I got the issue where it was strongly implied she shagged an amnesiac Superman on Apokalips. Imagine if she had his kid in secret all this time. :eek:

[Sean Walsh]

Speaking of which, I wonder if him or his sister Amazing Grace will appear just to get killed? I got the issue where it was strongly implied she shagged an amnesiac Superman on Apokalips. Imagine if she had his kid in secret all this time. :eek:

Spew!

But I expect both to appear at some point soon so they can die. And if they don't, then we can just say they did since the whole frickin' mythos is dying off in the end anyway.

[Froggy]

Speaking of which, I wonder if him or his sister Amazing Grace will appear just to get killed? I got the issue where it was strongly implied she shagged an amnesiac Superman on Apokalips. Imagine if she had his kid in secret all this time. :eek:whaaaaaaaaat?
hope the kid doesnt wear goggles

[Nate Grey]

whaaaaaaaaat?
hope the kid doesnt wear goggles

Its weird, I thought they were going to go that route after Superman Returns to explain how Supes suddenly had a kid, but then I realized, "Naw, she's too obscure and peeps probably wouldn't like the idea of Supes doing the horizontal polka with someone other than Lois, amnesia or not." DC agrees/didn't consider it/didn't care, so...moot point. Interesting fact, though. Like when he was forced to make porno movies with Big Barda. Speaking of which, has Sleaze been killed yet?

[Sean Walsh]

Its weird, I thought they were going to go that route after Superman Returns to explain how Supes suddenly had a kid, but then I realized, "Naw, she's too obscure and peeps probably wouldn't like the idea of Supes doing the horizontal polka with someone other than Lois, amnesia or not." DC agrees/didn't consider it/didn't care, so...moot point. Interesting fact, though. Like when he was forced to make porno movies with Big Barda. Speaking of which, has Sleaze been killed yet?

Yup. He was the 1nd New God to be killed after Lightray.

And weirdly - he was killed back in the late 80's in a Superman annual (pretty convincingly I'd thought), but was brought back for Countdown.......only to be killed off again and immediately.

[Nate Grey]

They should do a storyline afterwards where those tapes mysteriously wind up on eBay, and then its a mystery as to who bid and won them. Heck, I'd even spend a whole issue with Superman blaming Batman and tearing up the Batcave to get them back. "I know you bought them, Bruce!"

[Froggy]

Its weird, I thought they were going to go that route after Superman Returns to explain how Supes suddenly had a kid, but then I realized, "Naw, she's too obscure and peeps probably wouldn't like the idea of Supes doing the horizontal polka with someone other than Lois, amnesia or not." DC agrees/didn't consider it/didn't care, so...moot point. Interesting fact, though. Like when he was forced to make porno movies with Big Barda. Speaking of which, has Sleaze been killed yet?it fit for an elseworlds

They should do a storyline afterwards where those tapes mysteriously wind up on eBay, and then its a mystery as to who bid and won them. Heck, I'd even spend a whole issue with Superman blaming Batman and tearing up the Batcave to get them back. "I know you bought them, Bruce!"

THATS the real reason tha oher superman popped up in superman and batman

[Nyssane]

I bet Granny Goodness wil be the survivor and become the new "big bad." After all, the writer said he wasn't planning on using the Female Furies, so unless they die in other books, they'll still be around, leaving ample room for Granny Goodness.

[Nate Grey]

I bet Granny Goodness wil be the survivor and become the new "big bad." After all, the writer said he wasn't planning on using the Female Furies, so unless they die in other books, they'll still be around, leaving ample room for Granny Goodness.

That's a foregone conclusion. I mean the irony of someone evil named Granny Goodness can last centuries. Plus whenever I read about her in a comic, she has Ed Asner's voice. :D

[Froggy]

what if it's the infinity man killing everybody? doesnt he rock goggles as a part of his attire?

[Magneto Rocks]

Mark my words, Granny Goodness and Desaad backstab Darkseid and seize power.

Damn I hope I'm wrong but...

[Froggy]

Mark my words, Granny Goodness and Desaad backstab Darkseid and seize power.

Damn I hope I'm wrong but...I hoep you're wrong too but that cover I saw

[Magneto Rocks]

I hoep you're wrong too but that cover I saw

I've been suspecting it for a while... the cover that was recently revealed just cements it for me. But it's been in my mind since that villains teaser with the fallen Darkseid statue and the grinning Desaad and Goodness.

[Froggy]

I've been suspecting it for a while... the cover that was recently revealed just cements it for me. But it's been in my mind since that villains teaser with the fallen Darkseid statue and the grinning Desaad and Goodness.I hope I get to see if my infinity man theory is true.or at least se what happens to him. I havent read the budy blank issue of countdown so could someone tell me what happened?

[Magneto Rocks]

I hope I get to see if my infinity man theory is true.or at least se what happens to him. I havent read the budy blank issue of countdown so could someone tell me what happened?

There hasn't been a Buddy Blank issue of Countdown yet. Karate Kid was told to look for him by "Mad Scientist Guy" whose name I can't remember, and then we discovered that this guy was taking orders from Desaad. But that was just last week, Buddy hasn't appeared yet.

Infinity Man seems like a VERY good guess.

[Sean Walsh]

Mark my words, Granny Goodness and Desaad backstab Darkseid and seize power.

Damn I hope I'm wrong but...

.....but it's not like this is something new. Darkseid's Elite has always plotted in 1 way or another against him.

Desaad's gone so far as impersonate Darkseid on many occasions (sometimes with Darkseid's permission, other times without). And after that S/B issue where 'Seid (for whatever reason) stumbles and falls out of nowhere, Desaad now has the ability to truly doubt his master's greatness and realize that plotting now has an excellent chance of actually achieving success.

And Granny.....she indoctrinates every orphan and soldier in his army, as well as control her own (the Female Furies). She's gonna realize she has more direct control over his power and might than he does; I think that time has finally come.

[Froggy]

There hasn't been a Buddy Blank issue of Countdown yet. Karate Kid was told to look for him by "Mad Scientist Guy" whose name I can't remember, and then we discovered that this guy was taking orders from Desaad. But that was just last week, Buddy hasn't appeared yet.

Infinity Man seems like a VERY good guess.
but at the same time my theory might be kind of cynical, but i mean if I was him, and NO one tried to free me for so long, i'd go mad or heop out whoever freedme, no matter their alignment

[Nintendite]

I'm still trying to think of what to put down here.. should I put in Goth, or what?

[Magneto Rocks]

.....but it's not like this is something new. Darkseid's Elite has always plotted in 1 way or another against him.

Desaad's gone so far as impersonate Darkseid on many occasions (sometimes with Darkseid's permission, other times without). And after that S/B issue where 'Seid (for whatever reason) stumbles and falls out of nowhere, Desaad now has the ability to truly doubt his master's greatness and realize that plotting now has an excellent chance of actually achieving success.

And Granny.....she indoctrinates every orphan and soldier in his army, as well as control her own (the Female Furies). She's gonna realize she has more direct control over his power and might than he does; I think that time has finally come.

Oh absolutely, of course- that's always been there. But the fact remains, I REALLY don't want it to happen because it undermines the greatness of Darkseid if he fails to notice two of his minions plotting under him this whole time. DS is the master plotter, the schemer extraordinaire, and I like to think he'd be prepared for such a plot, and foil the traitors.

[InfinityCorp]

What about adding, Devilance the pursuer, to the list of dead New Gods?

Killed by Lobo in 52 #17...

[Sean Walsh]

I'm still trying to think of what to put down here.. should I put in Goth, or what?

I would say no, since he was never an established character with New Gods ties ever, I believe.

[Bananafish]

what if it's the infinity man killing everybody? doesnt he rock goggles as a part of his attire?

Yes, it might be Infinity Man, but I think it is Flippa Dippa, who also wears goggles and was noticeably absent from the Newsboy Legion in Countdown #29. He may be using a re-built Whiz Wagon to travel around to kill all the New Gods.

[Magneto Rocks]

Tragedy strikes this week.

Death of the New Gods #1 will bring some shockers, methinks.

So Begins The End :(

[Sean Walsh]

Tragedy galore indeed:


Magnar - who I believe holds the distinction of being the first New God (of New Genesis) that Superman ever met (from an old Kirby Jimmy Olsen issue)

Willie Walker - the human host of the Black Racer

Dr. Bedlam - presumed dead, one of his robotic animates was found with a hole in its chest and the doc's spirit cannot be located

And Big Barda.

Yup. Unleash hell, Scott, unleash hell.....

[LordEd1976]

Tragedy galore indeed:



Willie Walker - the human host of the Black Racer

And Big Barda.



Whoever it is that killed these two better be someone REALLY FRAKIN bad@$$ or I'm going to be so upset.

[drwho]

Can someone post scans of the corpses with the hearts plucked out?

[Jack Zodiac]

Whoever it is that killed these two better be someone REALLY FRAKIN bad@$$ or I'm going to be so upset.

It's Infinity-Man and The Forever People.

For some reason.

[LordEd1976]

It's Infinity-Man and The Forever People.

For some reason.

really.

hhmmmmmmm..............

I don't know. for some reason this is not exactly tickling my feet here.

[TotalWorldDomination]

It's Infinity-Man and The Forever People.

For some reason.

we're not 100% sure of that are we? I mean it's implyed that the Forever People are involved, but not much more beyond that

[Sean Walsh]

we're not 100% sure of that are we? I mean it's implyed that the Forever People are involved, but not much more beyond that

The reason Infinity Man is walking around our dimension is because he switched places with the Forever People.

So either they chose to trade places with him (they use their Mother Box to summon him, and he comes to our dimension while the Forever People go to his until he wills them to return), or, as I think #4's solicit and even cover strongly implies, they're dead. How they ended up that way, who knows.

Looking at that silhouette on page 2 of the issue, that is Infinity Man. So somehow, the Forever People are involved.

[Sean Walsh]

Whoever it is that killed these two better be someone REALLY FRAKIN bad@$$ or I'm going to be so upset.

Given who Infinity Man, the likely killer really is, I'd say they certainly have ties to a major league badass.

[Jamie]

It's Infinity-Man and The Forever People.

For some reason.

Or it's a red herring.

[Slaughter]

Probrably Infinite Man due to Beatiful Dreamer's and the cowboy kid appearance.

[Xero]

Wasn't Magnar even more powerful than Orion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Gods

[Sean Walsh]

Wasn't Magnar even more powerful than Orion?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_New_Gods

Uncetain what Kirby meant, considering he was seen a grand total of once. Although I'd apparently forgotten he was the official protector of Supertown (at least according to Wikipedia).

[Lex]

This thread makes me sad. Or maybe I just find the idea of killing off all the New Gods infinitely depressing. I don't know.

I'm just going to read through those black and white trades of the old New Gods series and pretend this isn't happening.

[Sean Walsh]

Damn, the crap hits the fan even harder this coming Wednesday.

The issue opens with numerous computer screens displaying more dead gods

Mostly throwaway characters introduced over the years - something I wanted to see, at least, that they acknowledge the lesser known New Gods - but Fastbak and Lonar appear on the list.

[gwor]

Hmph, never really got into the New Gods. I think the problem was that Lirby wasn't allowed to finish his magnum opus, and other folk (Conway) did the best they could with the material.

These characters/concepts should have been allowed to rest in piece back when the books were first cancelled; each subsequent use of them makes me cringe.

So go ahead DC, kill 'em all <g>....

[gwor]

Lirby? Oooo boy....

[Sean Walsh]

Kirby did finish it - the HUNGER DOGS graphic novel - but (no offense to the King) it sucked. And it was mostly because, for whatever reason, DC editorial cut it up, ommited pages and actually messed up the final story in doing so.

However, HG is being reconsturcted for inclusion in the 4th and final Lirby ( ;) :p ) Fourth World Omnibus. Old pages are put back in and even some that were not colored and inked are being redone (by Kirby collaborator/inker Mike Royer) and the story will run according to how it should've been printed originally.

[Nyssane]

Damn, the crap hits the fan even harder this coming Wednesday.

The issue opens with numerous computer screens displaying more dead gods

Mostly throwaway characters introduced over the years - something I wanted to see, at least, that they acknowledge the lesser known New Gods - but Fastbak and Lonar appear on the list.

Any news about Malice Vundabar?! Seeing as she wasn't with the Female Furies in Wondergirl...

[Lonewolf36]

Any news about Malice Vundabar?! Seeing as she wasn't with the Female Furies in Wondergirl...

The status of several New Gods are revealed by monitor images in the preview but Malice Vundabar is not one.

[Nintendite]

I saw those preview pages today and all I'm going to say is that I may need alot of help identifying some of those New Gods. I mean, damn. That's gonna be a pain....

[Sean Walsh]

I saw those preview pages today and all I'm going to say is that I may need alot of help identifying some of those New Gods. I mean, damn. That's gonna be a pain....

Ask for help and ye shall receive!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/comixlibrary/newgods/charlist.htm) :)

(This is basically why I exist, I think - when DOTNG ends, I'll just fade away like Yoda and Obi-Wan...) :p

[Magneto Rocks]

Ask for help and ye shall receive!!!! (http://www.geocities.com/comixlibrary/newgods/charlist.htm) :)

(This is basically why I exist, I think - when DOTNG ends, I'll just fade away like Yoda and Obi-Wan...) :p

Then when the administration collapses and a new writer brings back the New Gods and puts them #1 on the charts, there'll be a big party and you'll be standing there smiling as a ghost along with The King and Uncle Walt. :p

[Sean Walsh]

...only 1 other death, besides the folks who appear on the first 2-page spread that was previewed this weekend:

Justeen - Desaad's replacement from Walt Simonson's ORION - was killed some time ago and Desaad uses her corpse to determine how the New Gods are being killed.

[Xero]

Dont forget Goth (Teen Titans) from JSA #9 and Chroma (Infinity Inc) from JSA #10.

[Sean Walsh]

Dont forget Goth (Teen Titans) from JSA #9 and Chroma (Infinity Inc) from JSA #10.

But those guys weren't or ever claimed to be New Gods........did they?

[Lonewolf36]

But those guys weren't or ever claimed to be New Gods........did they?

I remember reading in one of the interviews that we would find out that some characters not known to be New Gods would be revealed to be. I'm guessing those two characters fit that category.

[Magneto Rocks]

Well, Nintendite may as well update his list.

-Doctor Bedlam is now DEFINITELY dead since he is on the Source Wall in DotNG #2.

-Other confirmed deaths include at least:

Celestia
Atinai
Sserpa
K'Zadr
Lonar
Zaro
Runway
Antinoos
Fatbak
Saraday
Apemenza
Jesebel
Fart (????... it's FAR followed by what looks suspiciously like a T but it's covered up, and there's no New God with a similar name I can find, but there it is)
JL Minirats
Mother Herrae
Red One

That is, as far as I can tell, everyone whose name can be seen. There are the chins of some other figures I presume to not actually be anybody. Also, there is what is, as far as I'm aware, a new New God among the deceased, the aptly named Whoisthis. No, I'm serious, she's actually there among the fallen. At first I was scanning lists to find New Gods beginning with W to identify her as but then I tookl an actual look and realised something was afoot. ;)

The only other ones are someone named something Kosmos who I don't recognize, listed as missing, and a blonde figure whose name can't be clearly seen and who I don't know, quite possibly just a placeholder. So there you go. :D

[Sean Walsh]

Apemenza and "Fart" :rolleyes: are the same exact character, visually. And they're not New Gods as far as I know (and, no offense, I'd know :p ). Heck, a Google search comes up with zilch for Apemenza.

I can't recall hearing of Zaro before, but it's possibly I missed him in my data collecting at some point.

JL Minirats is, of course, Jim Starlin with a silly mixed up name.

And Kid Kosmos is a Starlin-owned character that he created for a Dynamite/Devil's Due miniseries a couple years ago (COSMIC GUARD was the mini's name, though I believe its TPB is titled KID KOSMOS). I suspect Apemenza and "Fart" might be other characters from that story or another Starlin story someplace.

[Nintendite]

Okay, with the help of a magnifying glass, the big pictures used in Newsarama's preview and you guys, I think I've figured out for the most part who was on the board in that spread. Might still be missing some.

[Magneto Rocks]

Apemenza and "Fart" :rolleyes: are the same exact character, visually. And they're not New Gods as far as I know (and, no offense, I'd know :p ). Heck, a Google search comes up with zilch for Apemenza.

I can't recall hearing of Zaro before, but it's possibly I missed him in my data collecting at some point.

JL Minirats is, of course, Jim Starlin with a silly mixed up name.

And Kid Kosmos is a Starlin-owned character that he created for a Dynamite/Devil's Due miniseries a couple years ago (COSMIC GUARD was the mini's name, though I believe its TPB is titled KID KOSMOS). I suspect Apemenza and "Fart" might be other characters from that story or another Starlin story someplace.

This is where my lack of reading New Gods outside the early issues of Simonson's Orion and the JK originals come back to bite me. Thanks a lot for clarifying those, Sean. I cannot believe I missed JL Minirats in particular :p

[Sean Walsh]

This is where my lack of reading New Gods outside the early issues of Simonson's Orion and the JK originals come back to bite me. Thanks a lot for clarifying those, Sean. I cannot believe I missed JL Minirats in particular :p

It took me a while to figure out JL Minirats. The visual was what clinched it ("Is that Starlin?! .......... oh brother, JL Minirats ..... JiM ..... argh...")


BTW - don't wanna shill too much - I'm selling the bulk of my New Gods comics; a ton of non-Walt & Kirby stuff on eBay for cheap. If you're interested, shoot me a PM and I'll get you a link.

[buttler]

Not to worry, in the end Flippa Dippa will save them all.

[gwor]

Hmm, who's gonna kill the Black Racer?

I mean, he can't kill himself, can he :D ?

[Sean Walsh]

Hmm, who's gonna kill the Black Racer?

I mean, he can't kill himself, can he :D ?

Um, the mysterious killer already did it in the first couple pages of DOTNG #1.

Although the Black Racer committing suicide would've been interesting.

[Sean Walsh]

Thanks to SUPERMAN/BATMAN #41 and TITANS EAST SPECIAL #1 we can add:


Bekka - destroyed in S/B #41 (apparently the killer uses magic pixie dust to kill New Gods too!)
Power Boy (I know New Gods were getting holes put thru em but DAAAAAYYYYYYMMMMMMNNNNNN!!!)
Little Barda - both offed in the Titans East Special thanks to some mysterious killer (who may or may not be the New Gods killer, since other non-New Gods die in that book too)

[Animation]

I'm kinda out of the loop on this. I'm only just hearing about this whole Death of the New Gods thing. Why are they killing them off? I always really liked the New Gods. Well except for Orion and his dumb hover moped.

Whats up? I'm getting burned out on blanket purges. Who decided the New Gods sucked?

Lewis

[Paul Newell]

Who decided the New Gods sucked?
Comic readers, apparently.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Well its the New Gods Ragnorak. In the end Scott Free will be the last surviving New God similar to Balder in Norse Mythology.

[Magneto Rocks]

Actually, Samurai (Damn, I'm making a career out of bursting your bubble on New Gods matters, aren't I? I swear to God it's unintentional!) we already know it's NOT Scott Free. Starlin has already said Scott isn't the survivor.

I think.

I'm fairly sure of that, anyway...

[Sean Walsh]

Actually, Samurai (Damn, I'm making a career out of bursting your bubble on New Gods matters, aren't I? I swear to God it's unintentional!) we already know it's NOT Scott Free. Starlin has already said Scott isn't the survivor.

I think.

I'm fairly sure of that, anyway...

Well, the images of Scott as the mini continues certainly seem to indicate VERY BAD THINGS are in store for him...

[Sean Walsh]

3 more dead thanks to DEATH OF THE NEW GODS #3


1. Mortalla - Darkseid's mistress.

2. Takion - newest Highfather of New Genesis and avatar of the Source - didn't die like everyone else, seemed it was more like a heart attack and then an energy burst that kileld him, which makes sense considering he was originally a human who was transformed by the old Highfather into a being with a connection to the Source

3. Kanto - Apokalips' master assasin.

[Eclips0]

Miracle makes it to the last issue but he is not the survivor. And they will all probably be reborn in "The Fifth World".

[Sean Walsh]

I don't think they'll be returning in anything like their current forms.

However, Morrison's "Bruce Wayne dies and is reborn as a New God" idea got killed by Warner Brothers, so who knows.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Actually, Samurai (Damn, I'm making a career out of bursting your bubble on New Gods matters, aren't I? I swear to God it's unintentional!) we already know it's NOT Scott Free. Starlin has already said Scott isn't the survivor.


Its cool Mags. Anyway so there is a survivor similar to Balder in Norse Mythology and the Fourth World will be back as the Fifth World?

Another Superman-Prime related question. How is he able to touch the Source Wall and not be absorbed by it and is the Source Wall breaking apart (ass seen in Countdown #23) due to the affects of The death of the New Gods or some unrelated matter.

[Samuraixsithlord]

Actually, Samurai (Damn, I'm making a career out of bursting your bubble on New Gods matters, aren't I? I swear to God it's unintentional!) we already know it's NOT Scott Free. Starlin has already said Scott isn't the survivor.


Its cool Mags. Anyway so there is a survivor similar to Balder in Norse Mythology and the Fourth World will be back as the Fifth World?

Another Superman-Prime related question. How is he able to touch the Source Wall and not be absorbed by it and is the Source Wall breaking apart (ass seen in Countdown #23) due to the affects of The death of the New Gods or some unrelated matter.

[thorionthei]

I am really enjoying this series. Scott Free has always been my fave.

I think Himon is the big bad personally.

[Sean Walsh]

Another Superman-Prime related question. How is he able to touch the Source Wall and not be absorbed by it and is the Source Wall breaking apart (ass seen in Countdown #23) due to the affects of The death of the New Gods or some unrelated matter.

I believe the idea is that if you try to breach the Source Wall to possess the powers that lie beyond it, you're absorbed. Although most New Gods tend to hang around just out of physical reach of the Wall.

Hanging around in some crevices of the Wall..........is apparently ok.

[Crisis]

i wonder if darkseid himself isnt he survivor and that's how he and his world get transported into the legion's 30th century *the griffen/levitz* since the legion in action comics is that legion of sorts...:confused:

[Sean Walsh]

A preview death for next week (in COUNTDOWN):


Bernadeth of the Female Furies is killed by the New Gods murderer, shortly after being defeated by Jimmy Olsen and Forager.

[Claret & Blue]

Isnt there an element of waste about killing the new gods? Sort of throwing the baby out with the bath water?

Although Darkseid in the 30th Century as the main baddie is a great idea. Now that Time Trapper is confused and cant really be used very often if at all.

[Nyssane]

A preview death for next week (in COUNTDOWN):


Bernadeth of the Female Furies is killed by the New Gods murderer, shortly after being defeated by Jimmy Olsen and Forager.


You don't know, she might still survive! :( :( :(

lawl

[Sean Walsh]

You don't know, she might still survive! :( :( :(

She just got trounced by a photographer and a pink bug chick.

Even *SHE'S* probably hoping she's done for after suffering a loss like that.

[Paul Newell]

test.......

[Sean Walsh]

The first image of FINAL CRISIS has been released.

And I think it may spoil just which New God survives this whole thing.....

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/FINCR-1.02_03.jpg

[Flash's Lightning]

The first image of FINAL CRISIS has been released.

And I think it may spoil just which New God survives this whole thing.....

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/FINCR-1.02_03.jpg

Is that Kamandi and Metron?

Anyway...if they kill Mr. Miracle, it better be written e x t r e m e l y well, like Ralph's death in 52. If S. Free doesn't die a hero, I'll give up comics forever, I swear to God.

And what's this Fifth World everyone's talking about? I haven't heard about that.

[Sean Walsh]

Is that Kamandi and Metron?[/spoil]

No, it's Anthro and Metron. Kamandi would be found on the other end of the DC timeline, and according to Morrison he plans to end FINAL CRISIS with him.

And what's this Fifth World everyone's talking about? I haven't heard about that.

The Fifth World is the world that will emerge from the destruction of the Fourth World (the New Gods), just as the Fourth emerged from the destruction of the Third (the Old Gods).

Back in his JLA run, Morrison stated that the Fifth World will be created on Earth in some form. Back when the first posters and taglines came out for FINAL CRISIS, it was thought that perhaps the heroes of Earth (Bats, Supes, WW, Flash, etc) would somehow die and then become the new New Gods of this Fifth World. But who knows.....

[Flash's Lightning]

No, it's Anthro and Metron. Kamandi would be found on the other end of the DC timeline, and according to Morrison he plans to end FINAL CRISIS with him.

Gotcha. Never read either, so thanks for the heads up.

The Fifth World is the world that will emerge from the destruction of the Fourth World (the New Gods), just as the Fourth emerged from the destruction of the Third (the Old Gods).

Back in his JLA run, Morrison stated that the Fifth World will be created on Earth in some form. Back when the first posters and taglines came out for FINAL CRISIS, it was thought that perhaps the heroes of Earth (Bats, Supes, WW, Flash, etc) would somehow die and then become the new New Gods of this Fifth World. But who knows.....

Oh god, I hope they don't do that.

[Sean Walsh]

In the pages of WONDER GIRL this week:

Bloody Mary of the Female Furies is done in.

And the killer - who uses a gun, it seems? - is confronted by Wonder Woman.

[Flash's Lightning]

In the pages of WONDER GIRL this week:

Bloody Mary of the Female Furies is done in.

And the killer - who uses a gun, it seems? - is confronted by Wonder Woman.

No great loss there really...just imho.

[Will.S]

In the pages of WONDER GIRL this week:

Bloody Mary of the Female Furies is done in.

And the killer - who uses a gun, it seems? - is confronted by Wonder Woman.
That's interesting, I wonder if that's going to be referenced in Countdown. I'm left wishing that these kills weren't so spread out into other titles, it should have really been done in either Death of the New Gods or in Countdown proper.

[Nyssane]

No great loss there really...just imho.

She was always my least favorite Female Fury.

I'm still wondering where Malice Vundabar is in all of this.

[Sean Walsh]

She was always my least favorite Female Fury.

I'm still wondering where Malice Vundabar is in all of this.

I have a feeling she'll just be in the big crowd of forgotten New Gods who'll die off panel or something......interesting, though, since they've remembered all the other "secondary" Furies...

[Sean Walsh]

That's interesting, I wonder if that's going to be referenced in Countdown. I'm left wishing that these kills weren't so spread out into other titles, it should have really been done in either Death of the New Gods or in Countdown proper.

I've had this bad feeling for a while that there's no 1 clear explanation of who/what the killer is out there amongst the DCU creative teams.

Either that or there are in fact 52 versions of the same killer...

And honestly, I like that all the deaths are spread out in all sorts of books. Gives the event more significance if it's not all holed up in 1 specific title that you can easily ignore.

[MWGallaher]

The first image of FINAL CRISIS has been released.

And I think it may spoil just which New God survives this whole thing.....

http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/Dec07/DiDio/02/FINCR-1.02_03.jpg

Morrison's already said that the New Gods will be heavily featured in FINAL CRISIS. Don't know how he'll square that with the outcome of DOTNG, but this scene won't contradict anything (assuming that this New God is not the survivor), since it obviously takes place in the past.

[Sean Walsh]

Morrison's already said that the New Gods will be heavily featured in FINAL CRISIS. Don't know how he'll square that with the outcome of DOTNG, but this scene won't contradict anything (assuming that this New God is not the survivor), since it obviously takes place in the past.

Oh yeah, I forgot that Grant basically said he's kinda ignoring what goes on in DOTNG.

............so wait, why are we even talking about any of this? :confused:

[KOTI]

My take: the killer of the New Gods is going to be....

...the Main Man. Hired by Darkseid. He's going to double cross Darkseid at the end, and kill him (Sleez was killed after trying to tell Jimmy Olsen the secret to killing Darkseid, which means he knew how, which means that he was killed because someone didn't want anyone else to know how to kill the 'Seid).

The Main Man will be the New God to survive the whole thing. He's been a New God all along, we just didn't know it, y'dig?

[KOTI]

Forgot to mention, the Main Man "found religion" recently, discovered his own origin and status, perhaps? Is using a non-violent front to hide his plans? There was trouble in the sector he was looking over, right when he arrived, trouble that was never explained? Hmmmm.......

[Cthulhudrew]

Oh yeah, I forgot that Grant basically said he's kinda ignoring what goes on in DOTNG.

Really? Where'd he say that? And more to the point, what is the point of this whole thing if they're just going to sweep it all under the rug? :(

[Will.S]

Really? Where'd he say that? And more to the point, what is the point of this whole thing if they're just going to sweep it all under the rug? :(
That's what I'm asking.

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Well its the New Gods Ragnorak. In the end Scott Free will be the last surviving New God similar to Balder in Norse Mythology.

Does that mean Batman will make a clone of Barda (using a hair found behind one of the cushions of the old JLI couch) that'll promptly go berserk and end up killing Cyborg?

[Suicide Squad Fan]

Really? Where'd he say that? And more to the point, what is the point of this whole thing if they're just going to sweep it all under the rug? :(

Maybe it'll be like Thor, where the gods get killed off but slowly but surely eventually come back.
Beats having Batman as a "New God" (would that make Luthor or Joker the new "Darkseid"?)

[Sean Walsh]

Does that mean Batman will make a clone of Barda (using a hair found behind one of the cushions of the old JLI couch) that'll promptly go berserk and end up killing Cyborg?

......then Superman's ID is revealed and his marriage to Lois is undone by the 10-Eyed Man?

No thanks, I'll take my DC Comics over Marvel any day. :p

[Sean Walsh]

Kalibak and Mantis meet their end in DOTNG #5.

[Sean Walsh]

Mad Harriet of the Female Furies finds herself on the wrong & accidental end of a barrage of gunfire from Apokaliptian shock troopers in COUNTDOWN #11 and is no more...

Also, with Brother Eye invading Apokalips, many (if not all) the lowly denizens of Armagetto are "recruited" into the One Man Army Corps. So I guess that explains where they go....

[Nyssane]

Stompa's still alive? HAWW, I love it.

I'm glad the Furies are at least dying off one by one rather than in a big clump.

[Sean Walsh]

Stompa's still alive? HAWW, I love it.

I'm glad the Furies are at least dying off one by one rather than in a big clump.

When Starlin said he couldn't use them, I was worried that'd mean they'd all die in one big massacre or something.

But we've lost Bernadeth and Mad Harriet weeks apart in COUNTDOWN, and Bloody Mary over in the WONDER GIRL mini (I suspect Gilotina, not seen in COUNTDOWN unlike Stompa and Lashina, goes away there too)

[Sean Walsh]

2 of the biggest biggies there are:

ORION, blowed up REAL good in DEATH OF THE NEW GODS #6.

GRANNY GOODNESS, burnt to a crisp in COUNTDOWN #10.

Both by the New Gods killer, who it seems is Himon. For now.

[Crisis]

The wicked witch is dead tra la la la the wicked witch (granny) is deaddddddddddddd... would loved to have seen for a moment the reaction of the orpanange how they would cheer.

[Magneto Rocks]

...Actually, that would have been cool. Even if they're all going to die anyway, it would have been awesome to see the guys in the orphanage break out, revenge themselves on their guards and then cheer as Granny gets the fate she deserves.

Of course, we already know she's back in Final Crisis courtesy of Morrison, but it's a fitting end to this incarnation of her.

As for Orion, though his ultimate fate should ALWAYS have come down to facing his father in the fire pits, this works very well as the next best thing. The scion of Darkseid shows the universe how a God dies!

[Fatguy]

$@%& I havent followed the series, is Orion for sure dead, or is it still up in the air?

[raul the cat]

As Dillinger.

[Sean Walsh]

The wicked witch is dead tra la la la the wicked witch (granny) is deaddddddddddddd... would loved to have seen for a moment the reaction of the orpanange how they would cheer.

Hate to say it, but those kids have probably been so messed up by her over the years that they'd be either enraged or suicidal over her death. Being oppressed for so long probably warps all sense of reality; so a celebratory nature just doesn't.....seem right.

Also, Brother Eye basically "recruited" the entirety of Armagetto and turned them into OMAC, so I'll assume the orphans all have a shiny blue tint to them these days.

[Sabrinaset]

I dunno ... we didn't see a body, just a helmet floating about ... seems suspicious to me.

[Fatguy]

I dunno ... we didn't see a body, just a helmet floating about ... seems suspicious to me.

Ok, as long as there's no body...

[Sean Walsh]

I dunno ... we didn't see a body, just a helmet floating about ... seems suspicious to me.

He was basically incinerated in a supernova.

That's not only a much better death than getting a hole blasted in your chest, but it basically guarantees that he's not coming back (because the killer didn't get his soul).

(Plus Superman's dialogue about while he may not think the New Gods are really gods, THAT'S how a god should die.)

[Sean Walsh]

Desaad: head explody in COUNTDOWN #9.

[Crisis]

You have a point sean...about the orphange....though it would have been good to see them cheer.

[Sean Walsh]

You have a point sean...about the orphange....though it would have been good to see them cheer.

A reaction shot would've been nice. But it'd have made my month if it had been just them screaming in agony, with an occassional few high-fiving. :p

[Sean Walsh]

And in DOTNG #7, Scott Free and Metron quite literally ask for their deaths.

And thus they are granted. :(

[drwho]

And in DOTNG #7, Scott Free and Metron quite literally ask for their deaths.

And thus they are granted. :(

Who is the killer?

[EZMOHR]

Who is the killer?

Just reading over it in the store...it was The Source.

[JCAll]

Who is the killer?

Infinity Man was the New God Killer, but The Source killed Scott Free and Metron himself

Now all that's left is Darkseid.

[Magneto Rocks]

Right, this issue confirmed that every single New God except Darkseid is now dead.

Though Orion's status is a little ambiguous given that when Darkseid takes the Soulfire serum and goes aflame, Orion's helmet does so as well. It's possible, though, that this was simply Starlin symbolically getting rod of the last vestige of the Dog of War.

[Sean Walsh]

Right, this issue confirmed that every single New God except Darkseid is now dead.

Though Orion's status is a little ambiguous given that when Darkseid takes the Soulfire serum and goes aflame, Orion's helmet does so as well. It's possible, though, that this was simply Starlin symbolically getting rod of the last vestige of the Dog of War.

I think Infinity Man may've survived. Or rather, Superman believes he survived the destruction of the Source Wall.

And IIRC, the solicit for #8 mentions Orion. So either (a) they didn't want us to think he died in #6, or (b) ........he didn't stay dead for good in #6. ;) :p

[Nyssane]

Wait a minute, so people like Speed Queen and Bloody Mary got on-panel deaths yet the most important Furies Lashina and Stompa die off-panel? Laaaame!

[JCAll]

So let's see whos still alive. Darkseid is, Infinity Man probably is, Orion might be, and that bug chick Jimmy Olsen is shacking up with over on Earth Whatever-the-Hell-Countdown-is-Doing is apparently being ignored.

[Gavin Higginbotham, BotF]

What about the Green Lanterns from Apokolips that have showed up recently? How have they managed to avoid death?

[4thHorseman]

I'm trying to find out the significance of Orions helmet disappearing in the last issue. I'm not too familiar with Orion, but is his helmet something he can recall on command or something?

[Cthulhudrew]

I'm trying to find out the significance of Orions helmet disappearing in the last issue. I'm not too familiar with Orion, but is his helmet something he can recall on command or something?

Nah- it's just a helmet.

I'm not sure what it signifies, either. Orion's got command of the Astro-Force, which has connections to the Source, so my initial theory is that he somehow survived the explosion and is going to be instrumental in taking down the Source (working in conjunction with Darkseid, who will represent the dark side of power, together light and dark can take on the unified Source.)

[Sean Walsh]

Nah- it's just a helmet.

I'm not sure what it signifies, either. Orion's got command of the Astro-Force, which has connections to the Source, so my initial theory is that he somehow survived the explosion and is going to be instrumental in taking down the Source (working in conjunction with Darkseid, who will represent the dark side of power, together light and dark can take on the unified Source.)

Orion's helmet burst into flames moments before (or perhaps, storytime-wise, at the same time as) Darkseid took the Soulfire serum and burst into flames himself.

So I'm thinking Orion and Darkseid (and maybe even more dead New Gods?) are connected to the Soulfire Project...?

[GoodGuyComics]

I'm thinking that the reason the Soulfire project might not have worked originally was the split between the supreme being (the source and the anti-life equation). His reason for having the project was to look for an alternate power to the equation. Darkseid reasoned with the supreme being becoming whole again the Soulfire would have something to tap into.

[Sean Walsh]

COUNTDOWN #2:

Darkseid is dead.

[Seraku]

What about the Green Lanterns from Apokolips that have showed up recently? How have they managed to avoid death?

She's an Alpha Lantern, so that means this'll probably be addressed in FC

[Gavin Higginbotham, BotF]

She's an Alpha Lantern, so that means this'll probably be addressed in FC

Yeah, maybe, although wasn't there two of them? Her partner wasn't turned to an Alpha-Lantern, so how about him? I'm sure it'll get explained eventually, but I want to know now! :)

[Sean Walsh]

Yeah, maybe, although wasn't there two of them? Her partner wasn't turned to an Alpha-Lantern, so how about him? I'm sure it'll get explained eventually, but I want to know now! :)

I was never under the impression that Raker and Kraken (that's her name right?) were New Gods.

Raker's origins indicate he was stranded on Apokalips after a massive New Gods/GLC battle (where the GLC, uh, got wiped out something good). So he was a GL from another sector, who just took on the title "Green Lantern of Apokalips" because he was stuck there.

Kraken's origins have yet to be revealed, IIRC.