SINESTRO CORPS WAR and FINAL CRISIS

[Buried Alien]

Do you think that there's any essential connection between the current SINESTRO CORPS WAR storyline and what we'll be seeing in FINAL CRISIS next year, or do you think the two series follow separate and only marginally related paths?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Captain Jim]

I believe at the recent convention, Geoff Johns said that the Sinestro Corps War would NOT tie-in to Countdown.

[Buried Alien]

It's unfathomable to me that the Final Crisis will feature a menace that can trump even the Anti-Monitor/Sinestro/Parallax/Superboy Prime/Henshaw Cyborg junta. What threat could possibly outclass that combination?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[Tumbido]

Do you think that there's any essential connection between the current SINESTRO CORPS WAR storyline and what we'll be seeing in FINAL CRISIS next year, or do you think the two series follow separate and only marginally related paths?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

I hope they tie in somehow because the War storyline is awesome and some of it should go over to Crisis, but by the time Final Crisis comes, the War will more likely be over. I hear there's a mini-series called Alpha Lanterns that happens during Final Crisis. Who knows. The current Green Lantern storyline is already better than Countdown, DC couldn't not take notice.

[Rollo_Tomasi]

It's unfathomable to me that the Final Crisis will feature a menace that can trump even the Anti-Monitor/Sinestro/Parallax/Superboy Prime/Henshaw Cyborg junta. What threat could possibly outclass that combination?

Grant Morrison's writing?

[Tumbido]

It's unfathomable to me that the Final Crisis will feature a menace that can trump even the Anti-Monitor/Sinestro/Parallax/Superboy Prime/Henshaw Cyborg junta. What threat could possibly outclass that combination?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

Lucifer Morningstar in spandex?

I really don't know. Just the last page from the Sinestro Corps special is better than most of Infinite Crisis taken at face value. It makes me think new threats (unlike the core Sinestro Corps group) are either lame (like Imperiex) or come out of nowhere and disappear just as quickly (like, in the course of the crossover, again Imperiex). Regardless, I have big hopes for this Crisis.

You know what would be funny? If by the end of the Sinestro Corps War, Sinestro, SBP, Henshaw, Parallax and the Anti-Monitor are together in a plane in the middle of a storm, beaten, still making plans, and then the Anti-Monitor takes the only parachute and jumps off, crying "SO LONG, SUCKERS!!!". Or something to that effect.

[Tumbido]

Grant Morrison's writing?

Morrison's writing is what is giving many people hope on this one, but I don't know if he's only commiting editorial ideas or what.

[Captain Jim]

Morrison's writing is what is giving many people hope on this one, but I don't know if he's only commiting editorial ideas or what.

No, I think he's the actual writer.

[Captain Jim]

It's unfathomable to me that the Final Crisis will feature a menace that can trump even the Anti-Monitor/Sinestro/Parallax/Superboy Prime/Henshaw Cyborg junta. What threat could possibly outclass that combination?

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

It is hard to imagine that Superbody Prime and the Anti-Monitor are back, but won't play a part in Final Crisis. I'll grant you that.

[Sabrinaset]

I believe at the recent convention, Geoff Johns said that the Sinestro Corps War would NOT tie-in to Countdown.


Okay, but did he say if it would tie in to Final Crisis?

I mean, I agree, what threat could out-trump the Anti-Monitor?

[Buried Alien]

Dissecting Johns' words a little closer, however, while he did concede that the actual main Sinestro Corps War would be settled within the pages of GREEN LANTERN and GREEN LANTERN CORPS, he never did insinuate that all the aftermath would be cleanly tied up at the end of the storyline either. We don't know that after the war is over, the villans won't all or partially walk away to threaten the universe anew very shortly...or serve as the catalyst to the Final Crisis.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[spidervenom]

Okay, but did he say if it would tie in to Final Crisis?

I mean, I agree, what threat could out-trump the Anti-Monitor?

I bet morrison will come up with somthing that can and I dont doubt him for a second.

[Tumbido]

Okay, but did he say if it would tie in to Final Crisis?

I mean, I agree, what threat could out-trump the Anti-Monitor?

And what kind of threat is important, too. As an individual, it would have to be able to fight or neutralize beings like the Spectre.

[Jack Zodiac]

The Sheeda, only this time, they win. And cometh Kamandi!

[RichStanz]

It's unfathomable to me that the Final Crisis will feature a menace that can trump even the Anti-Monitor/Sinestro/Parallax/Superboy Prime/Henshaw Cyborg junta. What threat could possibly outclass that combination?

Grant Morrison's writing?

Morrison's writing is what is giving many people hope on this one, but I don't know if he's only commiting editorial ideas or what.

I think a lot of people need to check out this quote from JG Jones, from San Diego:
"I only draw a book every few years. And I don't think I would be interested in doing just another giant every-superhero-gets-involved-makes-a-cameo-smackdown" kind of thing.

And this is why having Grant write the book was so important, 'cause Grant has a real clear idea what he wants to do with this story. He told me that if they couldn't work out any potential continuity problems, he would just rather do it as an All-Star so he could tell this story. It's a story he wants to tell, and not company event. So we're just going to tell our story and see what happens."
http://www.newsarama.com/Comic-Con_07/DC/JGJFinalCrisis.html

I really don't think "Countdown" or "Sinestro Corps" or Starlin's "Death of the New Gods" will have much to do with "Final Crisis."

I think "Countdown" is being made to cash in on the success of 52's approach/milk the readers for a few more bucks.
Oddly enough, 52 actually "counted down" to something, whereas I think "Countdown" is just a 52 week-look real time look at the plot threads for various books/follow-up:
Jason Todd/Donna Troy sub-plot is really dealing with where Ray Palmer has been since Identity Crisis, and is also going to explain what the Bleed & the multi-verse are, and what the Ion mini-series initially explored.
The Holly/Harley Quinn/Amazonian subplot will deal with Amazons Attack (which in itself was made mainly to keep Wonder Woman in the public eye, while Heinberg had massive delays). It will probably also tie into the New Gods somehow.
Same with Mary Marvel (my theory - all the ladies are being set up by Granny Goodness).
Jimmy Olsen's storyline is re-creating the "Superma's Pal" book which also dealt with the New Gods.
And the Karate Kid and Piper/Trickster books will deal with the Lightning Saga, the 31st century, and the Allen family.

I suspect Morrison's "Final Crisis" has been pitched for awhile. DC is building hype for it, and allowing all their other "events" to get some hype love by saying it all "counts down to something."

I bet "FC" was totally conceived before even the end of 52, and DC is just trying to make it look like it all ties together.

There's the new LITG rumor that "FC" will be Morrison's DC swan song:
"A few years ago, he declared that it was his intention to use the complexity of DC Comics continuity to encourage the DC universe to become a sentient being - this may well be his chance. Morrison has also completed his final script for 'All Star Superman.'"
http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/?column=13

Morrison's "sentient DC universe" idea has circulated the Net for awhile.
"You see, Paul, I think of the DC Universe as fulfilling many of the requirements of a living thing. It grows, it changes over time, it reacts to its environment. In fact, considering that the creations in the DC Universe have outlived many of their creators, you could say that the DC Universe is more alive than we are, something that will continue to exist long after you and I are dead."
- Grant Morrison (http://www.comixexperience.com/fbr0503.htm)
And Morrison made this quote right after DC gave him the role of "revamp guy."
" Many of them tie directly into the events of the Crisis but they don’t grow directly out of it in the way that, say, Hitman grew out of the New Blood crossover or whatever it was called. As I say, early hints of the post-Crisis world will turn up in Bulleteer #2 and Frankenstein #3, upcoming in Seven Soldiers. Beyond that, my lips are sealed, except to say that the newly-sentient DC Universe looks mighty unstoppable for the next couple of years!"
http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/MorrisonDCU.htm

Sooooo basically what I'm getting at is Morrison is probably going to right his swan song/love letter to the DC universe and its fictional time-line, history, and mythology.
Something like "Death of the New Gods" is being made to make room for his 7 Soldiers interpretation of the New Gods.
I don't really expect him to do a whole lot with Jimmy Olsen or Mary Marvel - no more than Kamandi or Guy Gardner or Superman.

So Countdown, Lightning Saga, D of the NG, Amazons Attack, and Sinestro Corps War - what do they have to do with "Final Crisis"?

Not much probably. It was all merely happenstance.

[Erebus]

Grant Morrison's writing?

I'm having some doubts about Morrison. One day, I'm disgusted with his Batman, and the next, I'm subscribing to All-Star Superman.

[Brandon Hex]

I think everybody may have this wrong. I know I am not an all might DC geek that knows it all. Heck, I think Bart Allen is still alive and inside Trickster.


But why is the Final Crisis a bad guy?

If it's so final and a crisis, then why not Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman.

Infinite Crisis may have just been a tease on the big 3 being phased out. But a Final Crisis might be about the actual lose of one or all three. With so much going on with supporting casts and say Nightwing, Jason Todd, Superman's from all kinds of alternate Earths and Amazons Attack with the younger females really driving that storyline in all it's crossovers.

Right now, Superman, Batman and Wonder Women can and could all be replaced. Pass the torch. Set up to be replaced. What can you do with Superman anymore? He's done it all. But The Kingdom Come Superman has yet to do it all. He could easily be the new main stream Superman learning it all over again. Batman's son, Dick Greyson, Jason Todd, Batwoman. There is enough there to where Bruce Wayne could be killed off or retired and have it not be like when Bane broke his back. This time there is no coming back. And Wonder Woman would be a huge impact if she died or was shelved somehow. Not only would she have plenty of replacements, but the bond with her and Sups/Batman would ripple through out the DCU if she was gone and they still remained. And if all three where gone, the DCU could move on much better than it could just a year ago.

I know they tried all that before at least once, but something about it being Final never happened. Final Crisis may be just that.

Otherwise it's Darkseid.

But I know you all got the DCU stick up yer butts sideways and this is obsurd to you. Which is why they should do it. Then I won't have to heard DC fans bitch about how they don't want change. Then I'll just have to hear them gripe about how much they hate the change.

[matt_hatyber]

well yea i think sinestro corps will be in final crisis, or countdown. cuz the war goes to earth, and they fight on earth.

[rerun]

I think they'd have to link at least a little. I haven't read the newest GL, but it seems like the king pimps of DCU badguys. Unless Darkseid is the end all be all in in Final Crisis.

I think the Sinestro Corps will fail, and Darkseid says, "Let me show you how to do it- come follow me". And then he starts the Darkseid Corps.

[caboose]

It is hard to imagine that Superbody Prime and the Anti-Monitor are back, but won't play a part in Final Crisis. I'll grant you that.
I still don't get how SBP is working alongside the Anti-Monitor.

Now I know SBP has been promised what he wants, but surely he'd still hold a grudge against Anti-Monitor, and SBP's whole bag through Infnite Crisis was unintentional villainy, why would he join a team of villains he watched being extremely villainous from the "paradise" dimension.

There has to be a SBP face turn or something in the works.

[hotrodimus]

the sinestro corps war is what got me interested in countdown because i thought it would tie-in to the final crisis. i'd be dissapointed if its not related.

[Astonishing X-Fan]

Harley Quinn has too much sugar, accidentally destroys the universe.

Only Detective Chimp and special guest star The Ultimate Warrior can save us all.

[disco stu]

Does anyone think there's a possibility that camelot falls ties into final crisis? I remeber reading in wizard that it would have a large effect on the DC universe as a whole, and is about the withdrawal of superhero's from the world, or am i just seeing things that arnt there? incedently Sinstro War = :cool:

[Harding Prime]

It is hard to imagine that Superbody Prime and the Anti-Monitor are back, but won't play a part in Final Crisis. I'll grant you that.

U really don't think Sinestro will have nothing to do with the final crisis as Superboy Prime has not played any roll yet, but is on his way to Earth.

Things that make you say HMMMM

[Captain Jim]

U really don't think Sinestro will have nothing to do with the final crisis as Superboy Prime has not played any roll yet, but is on his way to Earth.

Things that make you say HMMMM

Hey, I'm just reporting what Geoff Johns said.

[4thHorseman]

U really don't think Sinestro will have nothing to do with the final crisis as Superboy Prime has not played any roll yet, but is on his way to Earth.

Things that make you say HMMMM

I would think it wouldnt' take Superboy Prime 38 weeks to get back to Earth....

[Tumbido]

I would think it wouldnt' take Superboy Prime 38 weeks to get back to Earth....

He's practically there already on the most recent Green Lantern, but he's going the Sentry route and sitting on his ass.

Oh, and Superbody Prime? That sounds like he's participating in a beefcake competition. :p

[Paul Newell]

Hey, I'm just reporting what Geoff Johns said.
Ah, he actually said it wouldn't cross over with Countdown. No mention of Final Crisis, though. :)

[handOFfate]

I'm hoping the Sinestro corps war stays within the pages of Green Lantern and the various one-shots. While it is a huge event (far larger than Amazon Attacks), it could get messy very quickly if its spread out too thin. I think SBP will play a role in Final Crisis. The Anti-Monitor will be saved for the next crisis, Sinestro and Hank Henshaw will somehow make it through, and Parallax will meet his end.

[Tumbido]

I'm hoping the Sinestro corps war stays within the pages of Green Lantern and the various one-shots. While it is a huge event (far larger than Amazon Attacks), it could get messy very quickly if its spread out too thin. I think SBP will play a role in Final Crisis. The Anti-Monitor will be saved for the next crisis, Sinestro and Hank Henshaw will somehow make it through, and Parallax will meet his end.

You have a good point. Because I can't imagine Hal telling Supes over drinks some months down the line that some of the most dangerous enemies Earth has faced are already dealt with.

[matt_hatyber]

You have a good point. Because I can't imagine Hal telling Supes over drinks some months down the line that some of the most dangerous enemies Earth has faced are already dealt with.

ahahah that would be really funny.

hal- man you wanna hear a funny story?
superman- sure
hal- a few months ago, sinestro made a huge army, broke superboy prime out of jail, and same with hank henshaw. then got the anti-monitor to join his side. Then they attacked oa and tryed to kill us all, but dont worry we stoped him.

[Tumbido]

ahahah that would be really funny.

hal- man you wanna hear a funny story?
superman- sure
hal- a few months ago, sinestro made a huge army, broke superboy prime out of jail, and same with hank henshaw. then got the anti-monitor to join his side. Then they attacked oa and tryed to kill us all, but dont worry we stoped him.

Talk about bragging rights among superheroes. Especially Guy.

[onelasthero]

You have a good point. Because I can't imagine Hal telling Supes over drinks some months down the line that some of the most dangerous enemies Earth has faced are already dealt with.

LOL... agreed. Though I'm still kind of upset the Anti-monitor is back.

[Tumbido]

LOL... agreed. Though I'm still kind of upset the Anti-monitor is back.

He should undergo a transformation: less primary colors, more death glare.

[Harding Prime]

I agree, I don't think it will be direct with Countdown, though countdown is suppose to be the backbone for all things major and this is the biggest thing to hit DC in a long time. But what I was saying is that it will have major ramifications for Final Crisis.

[David Atkins]

Right now, Superman, Batman and Wonder Women can and could all be replaced. Pass the torch. Set up to be replaced. What can you do with Superman anymore? He's done it all. But The Kingdom Come Superman has yet to do it all. He could easily be the new main stream Superman learning it all over again.

Does anyone think there's a possibility that camelot falls ties into final crisis? I remeber reading in wizard that it would have a large effect on the DC universe as a whole, and is about the withdrawal of superhero's from the world, or am i just seeing things that arnt there? incedently Sinstro War = :cool:

Huh. Interesting.

I posted this to a friend over instant messenger a few nights ago...

My prediction-- Following the Deaths of the New Gods and then Final Crisis, the heroes depicted on the FINAL CRISIS teaser will 'move on' to become the NEW new Gods. And either KC-Superman will take Superman's place as a New New God, or he'll replace Superman as the mainstream Superman on New Earth.

Granted, I wasn't entirely serious. But it's an interesting line of speculation, nonetheless. :cool:

[Magneto_X]

Rich,

That ties into Morrison's Wonder World subplot in "Rock of Ages".

One of these New God type uber-beings (Adam One?) commented that Earth would one day replace the New Gods. Metron even mentioned it in the arc, too.

[Sean Walsh]

LOL... agreed. Though I'm still kind of upset the Anti-monitor is back.

But in this week's GL.............man, he was drawn like a uber giant "HOLY BLEEPING BLEEP!" character should be. As long as they keep him a visually awe-inspiring figure and in situations where just him being there amps up the drama and astonishment, I'm happy with him being back.